Ep. #165 Lyft driver steals cat and the whole world hates him, why do so many passengers smell?

Are you ready for a wild ride through the world of gig economy? Strap in as we regale you with our hilarious and cringe-worthy tales from the road as rideshare drivers. From a passenger who reeked of petroleum and urine to those with questionable hygiene habits, we've seen it all and we're sharing it all.

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Speaker 1: 0:01

Hi guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 165. Is your mic not working?

Speaker 2: 0:12

Oh, you're just mouthing it.

Speaker 1: 0:14

Thanks you guys so much for joining us. We're going to be talking about a lot of shit tonight, yes, but I got a lot of stories. Together we did 150 rides. No 7, 7, 100, 130. What's 70 plus 60?

Speaker 2: 0:32

Hashtag math 131.

Speaker 1: 0:35

131. We did 131 rides. We got a lot of stories from that.

Speaker 1: 0:40

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Speaker 2: 1:24

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Speaker 1: 1:53

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Speaker 2: 2:03

So we'll put a link in there. But until we put the link and go to gigeconomyshowcom, there's like sign up forms all over the place. Okay, top and bottom, all that stuff, you can sign up there.

Speaker 1: 2:13

Yes, that would be great. Yeah, so if you want to join us in the Telegram group, one of our group members today left a nine-minute message, so if you want to listen to that Nine minutes, nine minutes, was that?

Speaker 2: 2:25

John.

Speaker 1: 2:27

No, that was Rachel.

Speaker 2: 2:29

Oh wow, I didn't know. I was listening to that.

Speaker 1: 2:31

Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to spend nine minutes of my life listening to that. But anyways.

Speaker 2: 2:36

So in nine minutes you will never get back. That is true.

Speaker 1: 2:40

But yeah, if you want to join the Telegram group. It was great over the weekend, had a lot of fun. Yes, Bern and I work in a ton of hours.

Speaker 2: 2:49

And we actually talked. We had a lot of talk going on. I feel like I agree, except it dies down a little bit when it's, you know, after nine o'clock, five hours. You really get busy.

Speaker 1: 3:00

Yeah, I mean, I always try to like bitch about it.

Speaker 2: 3:03

And then you leave fairly quickly.

Speaker 1: 3:05

Hey, that's what. This weekend I took a different attitude. I was like I need to get 60 rides, I'm not going to kill myself. I went, I went home at midnight every night and, yeah, could I have got it done in two days, like you did, of course, but I had to go out on Sunday and work six to six hours, I think I worked on Sunday.

Speaker 2: 3:25

Oh, okay, yeah, but again you got it done. Yeah, it was all good.

Speaker 1: 3:29

Yeah, so why don't we talk a little bit about the stories from the road?

Speaker 2: 3:33

My stories from the road is. I have three to talk about. The first one was again, not really that, I'm traditional, I get a lot of people. I guess I've had people in your car like that, but I think this is probably the first one. I had that totally, really reeked and I had to close down, I had to open up my windows and I was very, very happy that I had my son roof. At that time I had a girl sit in front, sit in the car, and she was sitting right behind me and, oh my gosh, absolutely stunk. The car was just, it was like petroleum and urine, like oh my.

Speaker 1: 4:14

That's so bad. So question for you when she got into your car, did you open the window while you drove?

Speaker 2: 4:23

So it didn't, it didn't like immediately become apparent, so I didn't right away open. But yeah, very quickly I started to open up my window the road down, my window next to me, and I opened up the sunroof.

Speaker 1: 4:36

Oh yeah, totally, it was it was so bad so I didn't put that on my stories because a bunch of other stuff but I had Friday was the same thing and I had a guy I had to put the window down when he got in, like immediately it, like it was, just like it was too much. I mean nice guy or actually didn't really even say much.

Speaker 2: 4:57

So she didn't say much either.

Speaker 1: 4:59

Yeah, I was just like no, I can't, I can't do this, and you know Gabe gave me a hard time about it. Like, listen, we have a general consensus in the United States If you have a smartphone and you can pay your bills, you probably have chances are you have a shower and some soap and deodorant, maybe a laundry, laundry machine. Like we can do all those things as adults. And again, I get it, there are circumstances if your special needs or whatever, but these are adults that could take care of themselves because they walked out to my car.

Speaker 2: 5:35

I mean the person. I took her to her job oh God right, which was in retail, and it's like what in retail oh?

Speaker 2: 5:44

yeah, yeah, and it was just and I'm not going to say more about that, no, it was actually in the food industry, but it was just nasty, yeah, and I mean you should have just general hygiene when you do that. So, anyways, the other two things I'm going to talk about is actually kind of connected, and I will talk about the third one first, because it kind of works up to it. So what I noticed when I was out driving and this is the first weekend I've noticed it and I actually seen it several other people talking about it in the local groups on Uber. This is the first time this has happened and I was trying to figure out why it was happening. I don't know if it's just a bug or whatever, but if I'm driving and I have a passenger in my car and I accept the ride, I accept the queued ride, right. If that queue ride then cancels, I will get another ride assigned automatically. That happened like 10, 15 times this weekend.

Speaker 1: 6:45

Oh, so it was multiple days it was happening.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Oh, absolutely yeah. Yeah, this happened both Friday and Saturday and it's like I know it Cause it was, and in the beginning I didn't put it together. That was the steps, but after it happened a couple of times, oh, that's what it is. So it didn't happen automatically all the time. But if I had a ride, I accepted a Q ride. That Q ride canceled, then Uber will assign another one in this place.

Speaker 1: 7:11

That's so strange.

Speaker 2: 7:13

So that's what happened to me at least, and I would say it happened at least 15 times over the weekend. Now, one of those times, and I didn't know where this was a multi-stop that got assigned, and I will never accept a multi-stop generally.

Speaker 1: 7:25

I just don't.

Speaker 2: 7:27

This one had. It turned out to be okay. It was a little bit late Friday night and I ended up I had to take them to. It was a new young couple and they were relievers and obviously, you know, had been married very quickly and she was married, she was pregnant, but they'd only been married for a year or two or something like that, and so they were just recently moved into this rental house and so they were emptying out their what's it called House no, the storage unit, oh Right.

Speaker 2: 8:02

So the two trips was go to the storage unit, empty it and go back to the house, right. And I was like, oh, I'm not going to wait there. It was like 9.30 at night. I don't want to wait there, right? So I was like and I just kind of poking at it a little bit, they're in my car this time. It's going to be quick, right. It's like, oh yeah, no worries, there's only a few things, it's all packed up and everything, and it was.

Speaker 2: 8:23

We got there and it was literally super easy to get there. We got there, they went in there, they were probably. They weren't even in there for like three minutes. They came out with a card. They literally had what he said A couple of bags, a couple of more boxes, it was fine. I mean, not even half my trunk was filled, there was absolutely no problem. And they were just doing it because they didn't want to have to pay for another month, basically because it was the end of the month. If they hadn't, if it wasn't Mcheat on the 30th, the last day of the month, they will be charged for the next month.

Speaker 1: 8:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:59

And obviously they didn't want to do that so it was fine and we took them back and, as of that, normally I will never do multi stops, but this was fine, and he actually ended up tipping me $10 as well. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1: 9:11

I always get a little weirded out when people want to load stuff in my car unless it's like groceries Like you bought it from, cause I don't know what you have in those boxes or bags. You could have bed bugs. You could have fleas, you know. I always and you never know, you know no, you never know, it's totally fine that you did. I just said that's where I'm coming from, where I don't really feel comfortable doing that.

Speaker 2: 9:34

But yeah, it could be a box of dildos, you know?

Speaker 1: 9:37

Oh, I'd be happy about that, but I guess it's more of my newer car. I guess if I had my pilot I probably would throw it back there and not worry about it. It's more just like what if you have a big pile of grease on the bottom of that bag and you throw it on my back seat? Cause I even had a passenger that I picked up the airport. He wanted to throw his luggage in my back seat and I was like no, I prefer you put it in the back, cause that thing just came off a luggage train that go or whatever you call those conveyors and then thrown in an airplane, Like I don't know what's on that thing.

Speaker 1: 10:08

I don't need a big fat stain in there, but True. So yeah, are you good with your stories. Can I move?

Speaker 2: 10:15

on. I am yeah. What kind of stories do you?

Speaker 1: 10:16

have. I have a few luggage train. I mean it is kind of like a train If you think about it. Pete, when they have it's a conveyor? No, no, no, but they do have the little cart that they drive around that has carts that are connected like a train.

Speaker 2: 10:32

See, yeah, you have a branch to the one before I come to the conveyor.

Speaker 1: 10:37

But I actually was talking about the conveyor. I just said train, you saved yourself there. Huh, I did. It was like I had it in the brain there. But so yeah, I had stinky people I also had. I did a lot of ride of shames on Sunday morning. I definitely got up early enough. I think I hit the road at like 7.30.

Speaker 2: 11:01

Oh, wow, yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:02

Yeah. So I went to bed at midnight and got up, rolled out of bed, literally brushed my teeth and went out and everybody had bad breath in the morning. Like I mean cause I don't know, like they got in the car and I'm just like stop talking, cause like your breath is so bad, like I mean I get it, you're going out in the night in the town, you drink a bunch of booze, but like do you not bring a tooth? I mean I guess I wouldn't bring a toothbrush either If I did. Like went to somebody's house and crashed there or whatever.

Speaker 2: 11:35

You know they weren't crashing, they were doing other things Crashing. But just yeah, use that toothbrush.

Speaker 1: 11:40

I mean you just got death in your mouth. Oh God, no, I would rather have them. If they said would you rather have me smell, have bad breath, or use my one night stands toothbrush? I'm like it's fine, I will take the stinky breath. So I thought that was interesting. I have not driven an early Sunday morning in a long time, so that was that was a little eye opening. I also oh, I also had a comfort. I got halfway through him and he canceled and he would not cancel the ride and kept saying how much do I owe you? And I'm just like that's not how this works, bro. I'm like you need to cancel it cause I'm not going to cancel it.

Speaker 2: 12:21

So wait, wait. So he was in your car and he didn't have to cancel the ride. No, no, okay.

Speaker 1: 12:27

That's another story. But no, he was just. I was just frustrated because I had driven like seven minutes to get him. I was stretching my time. I normally drive but I wanted to get my rides done whatever and I was trying to out in like eight a little bit and he wouldn't cancel. And then I had to wait eight minutes for that comfort and then it only.

Speaker 2: 12:45

I know that's the comfort cancelment, I know. And then it only paid out $7.20.

Speaker 1: 12:51

And I'm just like, oh fuck. And then one other thing the canceling during the ride. So I pick up this gal and kind of down to not really downtown like it was a little bit of a hoodie area, but here and over there it doesn't really matter and we're driving and I go to drop her off. And the second I'm rolling up to the stop. They canceled and I just didn't say anything and she got out and I don't know if it was done on purpose, but like I got paid though what I was quoted it's $6.22. So I don't know if they thought they've read somewhere that like if you do that you don't have to pay for the ride, or something. So I don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:29

I was really taken aback by it because I wasn't expecting that to happen. I got a little worried. I'm like, did I fuck up? Did I just lose my money? But a couple of rides later I went offline, I went back and I got paid. So and then the last thing I picked this guy up at the Metro Health ER. I'll buy it towards by me. I get there. He's kind of arguing with two giant security officers I mean giant men. I like I don't know.

Speaker 1: 13:59

And this guy was not big and he's I mean he jumps in my car or whatever I'm like hey man how's it going and he's like fine, I was like okay, so we're driving along and about halfway he scoots over and gets behind me and yeah, I'm driving him from Metro to like Panera on Kennewan, granville. I'm just like okay.

Speaker 1: 14:20

All right, I'm gonna get jacked. I mean, I was preparing myself to get jacked because, like, who does that? No, I mean the only thing I could think of is the screen from my octopus tablet. May have been bothering him, but that didn't seem like it. Or he could have saw the dash cam and it was blinking, you know it has that small little blink.

Speaker 1: 14:41

I don't know but I for sure thought I was gonna get a pencil in my neck. You know what I'm? I say that because I drive kids around, because that's the weapon of choice.

Speaker 2: 14:49

But I was like is this gonna happen? Yeah?

Speaker 1: 14:54

Would that made you nervous?

Speaker 2: 14:57

Oh, I hate it when they do that.

Speaker 1: 14:58

I mean when they do it right away or they get in from that side. I don't. I'm not near as nervous, I'm still a little on edge. But when you slide over halfway through the ride behind me. It's interesting.

Speaker 2: 15:12

And I'm not trying to be anything about gender, but I'm not nearly as nervous if a woman does it than if a man does it. Well, and it's weird, right, because a woman might as well put a pencil in my neck that a man can.

Speaker 1: 15:29

Yeah, I mean. Yeah, I mean I would say that you're more likely to get jacked by a guy. I mean, it's not that women don't do that, but it's just. I think it's statistics. I don't think you're arguing against that.

Speaker 2: 15:45

So Thanks, Joe. It is a nice piano. It's not mine, but you know it's nice yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:51

Jesper is a big pianist. No he is not yeah. So yeah, other than that, it was a decent weekend. I hit my bonus.

Speaker 2: 16:01

You hit your 60?.

Speaker 1: 16:02

Yeah, ended up with 61. I'm not sure how I tried to time it. Oh, what happened? Oh, I know what happened when that lady canceled. It didn't count for my trip.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 16:15

So I still got the 622, but since they canceled, it didn't count, so I had to do one more than I, and then I think I counted wrong. So but anyways.

Speaker 2: 16:24

So I got my 70. That was what I was going for, and the reason why I did 71 was because at 70, I was so close to my next big number. I was like, oh man, I just want to get another Cause. At that point I was at 965 for the weekend, right, and I was like I really just want to make another 35 bucks. I'm making an even thousand. And I was like, okay, well, and then I get it. I was downtown and I get a $25 ride to Allen Dale. I was like, oh good, let's take it. That's funny. And then they took me $8 on the app, and then that worked out.

Speaker 1: 16:58

You know it's funny. I had such a chill weekend driving. When I hit my bonus I was like you know, hun, I was talking to my wife. I was like I could just do 10 more. I mean then I could get an extra 70. Thought about it for about 20 seconds I was like nah. I'm, I'm I started doing the math in my head Like, okay, how long did cause? I had to do 14 on Sunday.

Speaker 1: 17:18

I was like it took me six hours to do 14. So 10. So I'm looking at like four hours probably to do that 10 more. I was like nope, not worth it.

Speaker 2: 17:29

So that's another thing that I've been thinking about too is when I'm out driving, you have to do in, in, in, in in. Doing the day hours, you got to do three an hour, and then during the night hours you have to do four an hour. Okay, that's kind of how I, that's how I do, you know. So I actually did have some Excel right, though a little bit longer, but yeah it, it evens out. So you have to do in, in, in when it's light at least for me when it's light. I got to do three an hour. I want to start, you got to do four an hour, and then you're pretty good.

Speaker 1: 18:01

I'd be interested on your statistics If you could. I mean, I don't know how I'd be put together, but take your rides and your times and like, did I really miss out from from midnight to three, a lot? Of rides where I could have banged a lot more out. Or should I do that instead of like going out earlier in the day?

Speaker 2: 18:21

I missed the mark on Friday, but Saturday I was out till three AM so it was fine. But Friday I went out too early and because it was back to back I didn't have any time where it didn't count.

Speaker 1: 18:35

So oh, you ran out of time.

Speaker 2: 18:37

I ran out driving time at one o'clock I was like what the heck Like? I'm missing out the good time.

Speaker 1: 18:42

You must have been really busy then.

Speaker 2: 18:45

I was and like because I drove from, I started at.

Speaker 1: 18:49

Well, clearly you started at one. It was 12 hours.

Speaker 2: 18:53

Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, I ran out, maybe it was, maybe it was 1.30, but I know, I missed the two o'clock right, it was like ugh.

Speaker 1: 19:01

That's crazy.

Speaker 2: 19:02

I've never run out of time.

Speaker 1: 19:03

I've come close, but anyways. Well, it sounds, you know, from you and I, it was a good weekend. We hit our numbers. I only ended up doing like 750, but again, I don't have Excel. And you also did 10 more rides than I did too, so I did 10 more rides, which then it ever is out to about $10 a ride.

Speaker 2: 19:24

And then you know the Excel. It's not as not that much more if you really look at it. I mean, there was the extra bonus, which is 70, and then the extra $100 for the ride, so that's 170 Excel. So the difference between the Excel and not Excel is really only about $150. Yeah, and honestly though I and that's what that cost me in gas, which you don't have, the gas expense. So done, done. You made more than I did.

Speaker 1: 19:45

Well, remember too, I get a dollar for each ride, so without that it would be like I haven't really experienced the Excel like decline, because I get the extra dollar, which isn't a lot, but I mean it adds up for 60 rides?

Speaker 2: 19:59

Oh, absolutely so.

Speaker 1: 20:00

All right. Moving on Gig economy in the news, this one's interesting Well, kind of interesting. A millennial equit teaching to be a full-time Uber and Lyft driver has made $36,000 so far this year but thinks it's better as part-time gig. Hey, jiminy, this was posted on September 25th. I'm sorry about that. I hope you still listen. I don't know how long that'll last. That guy just fucking pisses me off. He said last year, when school came to a close, he was just super stressful and just needed a break, so he jumped into driving full-time, at least 40 hours a week, which a lot of people do. They just need a big change. The one thing he did feel, though, is that the pay isn't consistent enough to rely on ride hailing as his main source of income, and it's more profitable to be a part-time driver, which we've talked about hundreds of times. This is where I thought this was a little weird. Some nights pay will surge to $80 to $100 an hour. Right.

Speaker 1: 21:00

Really, but we I mean to men's on the market.

Speaker 2: 21:04

this guy is in Colorado To men's on the market right, but also we had some nights with that.

Speaker 1: 21:12

Yeah, back in the day, but this was just a recent article.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Yeah, but we don't know when he was talking about it.

Speaker 1: 21:19

True. Between January and August of this year, lavender earned $36,000 before expenses, which they actually verified, excluding expenses like charging, maintenance. He has an EV insurance interest payment on his car loan. He estimated that he earns around $26 to $27 per online hour the time a driver has the ride hailing app open and that tips make up 10 to 20%. So I don't know $60 to $70 an hour, just that is probably very.

Speaker 2: 22:26

That is the rate of the hours. There's no doubt that's rare and rare, but I mean before expenses. There's nights normalized where I'm between $40 and $50.

Speaker 1: 22:40

Well, yeah, but he's $60 to $70. You know, that's, I mean, I guess, again that market. I guess it's not that much higher than if you're $40 to $50,. But but, still.

Speaker 1: 22:51

He says that the ride hailing work has some addictive elements, such as thinking that it will finally get some financial breathing room if he works just one more long late night. He said the long hours have started to take a toll. I plan my whole life around airport concert, sport and event patterns and rarely able to do anything fun for myself on the weekends. Well yeah, because that's when you make most your money.

Speaker 2: 23:12

That was. I mean I know Pete can chime in on this he would work Thursday, friday, Saturday and Sunday, right, I mean? And he took yeah so he also said he still worked for 40 hours.

Speaker 1: 23:24

There are certain advantages to electric vehicle he drives like saving money on gas, but it's too soon to tell how much it will boost his earnings in the long run.

Speaker 2: 23:34

Pete, I will not shut up, he's like shut up, sure, why?

Speaker 1: 23:40

What did you say?

Speaker 2: 23:42

I was telling him about his schedule.

Speaker 1: 23:43

Yeah, but why was he saying shut up? I mean, that's just fact. So but one thing I just want to point out again is like, yes, part time is where it's at If you are in debt or you are just struggling, if you can fucking get out and work a Friday or Saturday night, I mean Right Even. I mean think about you. You worked that whole weekend. Yeah, was it a grind, of course, but think about what $1,000 could do for somebody that might be struggling a little bit. I mean, that's a rent payment, well, a low rent payment.

Speaker 2: 24:19

But no, it definitely. It can be a solution to an immediate cash flow issue. Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 24:26

Yeah, but is it? Can you do that every weekend? You know, I was thinking to myself. I'm like, okay, I mean I made $750, which I think is good for the amount of time I worked but like, could I do that every weekend? Like, let's hope so.

Speaker 2: 24:42

So it would be a grind, but I have done the 70 rides twice now and both the times the 70 rides.

Speaker 1: 24:49

I got a threat, I got a grand yeah, but I remember the last 70 rides you did you.

Speaker 2: 24:54

It took a toll on you, I remember oh, absolutely it does, and that's what I'm saying. It's a ground and you can do it for a period, but you don't want to do it all the time. Yeah, no, no way. Yeah, but that's where it comes in, that's where the model we talk about so often is the multiple buckets comes in. Right, so you can, you can, you can, you can take turns. Okay, this week I'm gonna drive Uber. You know, on Monday I'm gonna do two hours of door-dash or whatever, and do some flex and whatever it is.

Speaker 1: 25:24

Yeah, I think you know. I think rideshare is is easier. Though if you're getting into the extra Gig game, I think I think rideshare is actually easier, just to jump in and go. You know what I mean? Like oh, I mean there is a little strategy to it, but, like you know you, I think it's more consistent work than door-dash or absolutely Amazon flex, but it does not near, it's not nearly as strategic as some of the other.

Speaker 1: 25:51

No, I mean obviously you. You see what the money is. If it's worth it to you, you take it, if not, you move on. So Pete said Sam and her mom got me thinking about running an EV from Uber and driving part-time again. Well, here's the thing. We talked about this. You, I mean it's 300 and it's 300 bucks a week. Pete, I mean 300 bucks a week, not a month, like if you're gonna do 50 rides a week. It's not worth it. You need to do 200 rides a week to make it worth it, right, yeah?

Speaker 2: 26:21

and then you gotta, then you gotta drive for some of those Statuses and stuff, right?

Speaker 1: 26:26

I mean, fuck, you'd be better off, pete, just buying an EV like I did. I mean, jesus Christ, $300 a week. Oh, look at he's like. Oh, what do you think it was $300 a month? No, bro. No bro, no bro, you need to do like 200 rides a week to make it worth it, in my opinion, I'm just throwing to you.

Speaker 2: 26:46

You start the week with with $300 in the hole right.

Speaker 1: 26:50

I mean it took me. I mean I'm that week. You know, this weekend I made 750. I mean basically half of that would have gone to the EV rental roughly. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 27:00

So right, yeah, right, but on the other side of it, look at me. I spent 160 dollars in gas, right right. So the EV Even that out a little bit.

Speaker 1: 27:12

Can you imagine if cuz I know Gabe's been grinding Can you imagine if you would have done what you did this weekend, plus hit the bonus during the week for 50 rides like you, you'd be close to like almost two grand oh.

Speaker 2: 27:27

Yeah, but the 50, the my, the one I usually get for 50 rides during the weekend.

Speaker 1: 27:32

It's like a hundred and fifty dollars. It's nothing Well yeah, I'm saying we're, we're. I got one for 170 for 60 rides and that's 50 rides for 115. I mean, it's not like this huge difference.

Speaker 2: 27:46

No, that's true, but when I do the bonuses, I mean I got 240 for 70 rides, you know but that was was that a two-tier 240?

Speaker 1: 27:55

Oh, so you did. You hit the first one and then did ten more.

Speaker 2: 28:01

I did 60 and oh okay.

Speaker 1: 28:02

My bad, I thought it was just.

Speaker 2: 28:05

Yeah, I was was it was.

Speaker 1: 28:07

I think it was 240, right, because it was 170 and then it was 170 for 60 and and then an additional 70. Yes, yeah, yes 240.

Speaker 2: 28:19

So so, so yeah, we don't, we don't do math, so At least difficult. So for me, what I, what I looked at like, it's an extra three dollars and fifty cents per ride. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Yeah. I'll take that in there, yeah no, I mean, I think if you, if you can manipulate the system not manipulate but like strategize around if you're willing to work those Night hours, I think you can do two grand a week in Grand Rapids I Think oh, I believe so.

Speaker 2: 28:49

Yeah, but it's, it's 60 hours of grinding.

Speaker 1: 28:51

Yeah, yeah, I mean you did 24 hours just on the weekend. So you're, you're, you're definitely doing.

Speaker 2: 28:59

But I did it in the busy hours, right? True, I mean now I gotta spend 30 hours doing the daytime hours with Fucking slow and boring.

Speaker 1: 29:10

Yeah, do the 30. I would you had to do 30 hours of recovering I.

Speaker 2: 29:14

Well, yeah, but it would be. Oh, I would, I would kill myself. Yeah, you know, I would stab myself in the neck with a pencil.

Speaker 1: 29:22

Honestly, I think it'd be better if you're gonna work during the week, like kind of what Gabe does. He works early in the morning for two, three hours, goes, does some other gig stuff and then, you know, works in the evening.

Speaker 2: 29:33

So all right, we are only he has some pretty and he has some pretty interesting things that he does in the middle, in the meantime, you know, in the middle of that. He makes some good money on that too.

Speaker 1: 29:42

So basically in secart we're gonna do in Costco runs.

Speaker 2: 29:47

Right, right, but it's it's doing so well where he's at in his market.

Speaker 1: 29:51

Yeah, he's like killing it Right, so all right, we're story number two and we're at 33 minutes in so hey, we have a good, okay.

Speaker 2: 29:59

So this second story we're talking about a new Well new to us App service. We always, you know, we talk about a new app services once in a while. This is interesting because it is bit based Right hill app. That intends the US market. It's been around forever. It started out in in the, the Asian market, if you will, russia and over there, and European markets Well, european markets, but also Africa, you know, european continent, african continent, asia, so those areas is pretty big actually.

Speaker 2: 30:40

They have Company says there's more than 175, 175 million downloads and is present in 65 cities across 48 countries. So it's not a small app. Yeah, by any means. But it differs from Uber and Lyft in the fact that the passengers can decide. The passengers can come on, say, hey, I will pay, I need this, I need to go from here to here and I'll pay you five bucks Hmm, right, or whatever it is. And then the driver can says, okay, I'll take it from here to there, but I will, I want to get paid eight dollars. So they can kind of bit back and forth. And they did, they, they can then agree on a rate, they, they can then agree on a rate and then Um, the app which is called in drive. They only take 10 percent. So that's what they. They take a flat 10 percent of the agreed upon price, and then that's it who?

Speaker 1: 31:36

who pays the 10 percent? The driver or the? Or do they do five from each?

Speaker 2: 31:41

No, they take the 10 percent out of. They take the 10 percent out of the fair.

Speaker 1: 31:46

Okay, so if you agree on $10, they take a dollar.

Speaker 2: 31:50

They take a dollar and the driver gets nine. Okay, all right. Yeah, so now, um, they do have a minimum fair of $10 in the markets that they've entered in America, because that's what the story going on they're just entering America and they starting with a minimum, turning the minimum of a minimum Fair of $10, and the first six months they are not taking any money.

Speaker 2: 32:15

Okay at all. So the first six months to kind of cement them riders, the drivers gets a hundred percent, okay. So that's kind of interesting, yeah, so, um, anyways, so here, if you never heard of in drive might be because the company has more of a presence outside the traditional western world. Originally from Siberia, in drive divested its Russian entity after Russian Russia went to war with Ukraine and now they're looking for other big markets. They are their top markets are make Latin America, mexico, colombia, peru, brazil, chile, ecuador and Asia, kazakhstan, indonesia, pakistan and India. In February they raised a bunch of money to pay off some, some debt they had and they then they used the rest of it to enter the American market.

Speaker 2: 33:03

So what was it gonna say? Let's say here, there one one way the company is attracting your drivers is by refraining from tragic admission from july 2023 to january 2024, meaning the drivers will take home 100 percent of each fair Uh something to airport fees and high-speed toll and that kind of stuff that you know. Um, that they still have to pay in drives. Usual usual fee is 10% and uber and lift takes 25%. I laughed a little bit when I said that lift takes 25%. I think everybody knows that uber and it takes away more than yeah.

Speaker 1: 33:43

Yeah, I mean back in the day it was set up accordingly, like that but, it's not like that anymore.

Speaker 2: 33:50

So I said, the company is always promising to maintain a minimum ride price of $10 and may in miami. Today In drive has 5000 drivers in south rober sign up for launch. So so that's kind of cool. They're launching in south Florida and they have 5000 drivers.

Speaker 1: 34:05

I also said customers complained about in drives customer service being subpar when dealing with issues like frequent driver Cancelations or drivers changing up upon the green agreed fair, which I mean ubers, is subpar to. Customers reviewing the app also complained that it was buggy, the ETS that were off and drivers didn't always know how to get from a to b. I mean, fuck, it's a GPS, I mean is there another map?

Speaker 1: 34:28

This is part of the last problem is because in drive does not have its own proprietary Mapping, a GPS system, as his peers do, which is a huge cost. Well, oh, you mean because they're using like google?

Speaker 2: 34:42

Yeah, using google which cost more yeah so breaking news.

Speaker 1: 34:46

I saw a car that looks just like this at the airport this weekend and it had in drive on it and I downloaded the app and the app is fucked. It says I'm not connected to the internet, like I can't even try to sign up.

Speaker 2: 35:04

The episode?

Speaker 1: 35:05

no, I'll try again as I put it on my iPhone, because I was just sitting at the airport. I should have went up to the guy, but um, I'm pretty sure the app I was.

Speaker 2: 35:16

I was on the website earlier and I thought it was only for.

Speaker 1: 35:20

Yeah, I put my phone number in. I hit next and it says looks like you're having internet issues. That's all it's us.

Speaker 1: 35:26

Okay so I can't even get past. Join us via phone number. We'll text you a code to verify your phone. So okay, so clearly it is in Grand Rapids because I saw it there. If I'm, if I wasn't such a grumpy asshole that day and wanted to get my rides on, I may have gone over to him, although I find that a little creepy. You know what I mean. Like I'm just walking up to the guy and be like hey, bro, you know what I mean, but if he was out of his car.

Speaker 1: 35:51

I may have walked over there, but yeah that uh, that it had the same low Uh decals on there. It might not been the same car, but it was a gray car and it had the green back door and the in-drive on the driver door.

Speaker 2: 36:05

So Well, it could be, maybe, but what is he doing? And it's a bullet, yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:11

Well, I guess, maybe it isn't, I mean, it could be. Yeah, I know it could unless the guy some they have a gig with, was that rapify company, that kind of fucked me Um, and maybe that's just an ad, but he was at the airport. I mean, he was literally taking airport rides. I saw him go and come back. So unless he's just Like, oh, maybe he's running the uber app and using that as an ad, I don't know. I mean it doesn't say which states it in right, does it?

Speaker 2: 36:39

No? I was just looking for that, I thought, but that was a different article. I heard a little about no, it's not so. It said it won't keep launching in south, south florida, specifically miami.

Speaker 1: 36:49

So now I now. Now I often wonder why it was up here. I wonder if it was just a rapify ad. I wonder if it was.

Speaker 2: 36:58

So this story is from july 20th. Oh, it is kind of old.

Speaker 1: 37:02

Yes, burr, how dare you? Jiminy is going to be so pissed.

Speaker 2: 37:10

So it is this is the first time we're talking about in drive.

Speaker 1: 37:13

It is like four months old, so, but I I don't know.

Speaker 2: 37:16

There's there's a chance that it could. They could be in grandmas, absolutely.

Speaker 1: 37:21

I mean it literally said yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 37:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:23

I mean I guess it is All right if anyone sees that it works in grand rapids and sees that guy try to talk to him. I mean, hey, if there's another app that I can do ride share on, I'm gonna try it. But, like I said, I can't get past the texting part because something's broke.

Speaker 2: 37:38

Um all right.

Speaker 1: 37:39

Moving on here is. This is kind of funny. I don't know if this is photoshop. It probably is. I think it's you think? So.

Speaker 2: 37:47

Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:47

I'm telling you Okay, something's photoshop the easiest thing to photoshop something's photoshop, because if you look at uber x, it's a capital u. If you look at uber x l, it's a lower U and then the uber double x l is Okay. So it is cat people do pretty good. I can get fooled so easy. When ai comes around like like more prevalent, I'm fucked, um, but anyways, I thought that was funny. I could have used a double double x l for some of the people I drove this weekend. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2: 38:18

But what would be a double x? L?

Speaker 1: 38:22

Um, cap p, you're as old as me. Don't talk like my high school kids, cap. I know what that means. Uh, what would be what would be considered a double x l? I don't know. I feel like a big suburban Mini bus a mini bus Fucking a boomer Um, or like those old conversion vans. I, my parents, had one of those Is something that you can fit more than an x, l and I guess.

Speaker 2: 38:53

The, the connovan.

Speaker 1: 38:54

Yeah, eco line van. Yeah, thanks, yeah, you can, steve. I forgot to say thank you for the the super chat. I know I shared it or I showed it, but I appreciate you so much, steve is awesome. He's a great supporter that we love you Steve party bus, larry says party bus.

Speaker 2: 39:10

I like seeing a couple party buses downtown with this, with the app.

Speaker 1: 39:14

I would love to do that as my own business. I wouldn't want to work for somebody, but I would love to get A party bus and do that.

Speaker 2: 39:22

I think it so I actually had a good friend who did that. Yeah, and and they, they. They had three buses at one point, but they, they bought old buses and then restored them themselves and got them going like school buses or less older like regular buses. No, I mean regular buses. But then what they do is they detail the interior, the interior and make them party.

Speaker 2: 39:43

Yeah right, uh, really cool buses. Uh, it was a shit ton of work. Oh, I mean, once you have the, once you have the buses ready, I mean doing doing the actual work, driving every weekend, oh, it's so much work.

Speaker 1: 39:58

Yeah, I mean it's probably better to own it and have some pay somebody to drive it.

Speaker 2: 40:02

But that's they couldn't find any good drivers. That was the problem? They yeah, the husband ended up having to do a lot of driving himself and it's just a pain in the ass. Yeah, but they ended up selling it and and and did what did. Okay, selling it. Yeah they sold all three buses and all the all the Existing clients, because they have some clients that would. They would use them a lot, you know.

Speaker 1: 40:23

Yeah, I wonder if you'd be more cost effective to run just a black car service then over, although right.

Speaker 2: 40:29

Yeah, I don't know. So we have a. We have a cigar shop in town. I don't know if you notice that. Yeah, and they have a bus, a cigar bus, and my assumption is they will let people actually smoke on the bus.

Speaker 1: 40:44

I I'm assuming, why not?

Speaker 2: 40:46

drive around, they drive around and they have you, we'll take, we'll go around and you can. You can enjoy a good car and and whatever and and and, because they have both. They also have a whisk. They also have a bar, so you can go and have a cigar and a bar and a whiskey.

Speaker 1: 41:02

Well, I hope they have some good ventilation in there, because good talk about hotbox and joe jeez.

Speaker 2: 41:09

Holy smokes.

Speaker 1: 41:10

All right, let's jump into this cat debacle, which was very this is definitely a cat debacle.

Speaker 2: 41:17

I'm gonna read the stories of this one. Apparently, this story was actually posted both Um and and and on facebook lists group on facebook, but then also on reddit. So this is an interesting story and there's an update. Uh, it's a driver. No, sorry, it's a writer who wrote this story and, basically, I'm gonna, it's gonna read it and it will go from it. So he goes here. I need help. Lift driver drove off with my pet cat. I mean that, right, there should be a yeah, give away.

Speaker 2: 41:50

I don't know what else to do at this point. So this is a hail Mary. I was taking my cat to a vet appointment at the hospital Uh in austin, texas. I was sitting behind the driver and had the cat carrier on the floor of the passenger side backseat. Once we reached uh, once we reached the the destination, I got out from the driver's side door and started walking to the passenger side door to pick her up. Before I could open the door, the driver started driving. I banged on the back of the passenger window and screamed, running behind him, but he drove off first of all, why'd you drive off when someone's banging on your window?

Speaker 1: 42:26

clearly there's something wrong, like Absolutely. At least you can check it out.

Speaker 2: 42:32

Right, I tried constant the driver through lift. They were not helpful at all. You can only send three messages and call the driver three times which I didn't know.

Speaker 1: 42:40

The driver didn't. I didn't know that, I didn't think you. I did not know that either.

Speaker 2: 42:44

The driver. The driver didn't respond for about two hours and then said he didn't have the cat. I called 911 but they transferred me over to 311 file, the report. I have not heard back from anyone yet. I don't know what to do. The driver has stopped responding again. I don't have any way of contacting him other through the through, other than through the app. I've offered them money for paying her back, but they just don't respond. Is anyone out who can help? What else can I do?

Speaker 1: 43:10

Okay, so this actually, um, apparently this story went pretty wild, viral or whatever, but it did go viral because because lift the ceo, john risher or whatever his name is, was talking and tweeting and stuff. So, like they were, it was a.

Speaker 2: 43:29

It was a five alarm fire for this cat but anyways, the investigators from lift found box, which is the name of the cat, yeah, but they did not find her carrier. It's just weird.

Speaker 2: 43:44

So somebody let that cat out of that car and the carry on now Snapped it from the investigator who found her found her Cat ran up a set of stairs on the back of the building next to it. The team was able to get her caught Up at the top of the stairs and she was too scared to jump from there. I was able to get and get my Overshurch the team member at top of the stair. Holy moly, it's.

Speaker 1: 44:07

Whoever wrote this is yeah, we don't need to read it all, we get it anyway.

Speaker 2: 44:10

So they found the cat, which was good. But let's get back to the who takes off with the cat. Yeah that's kind of where I wanted to get, get to what driver takes and I hope that driver was was turned off.

Speaker 1: 44:24

Yeah, I mean obviously he dumped the cat as soon as he drove off. I mean he probably felt bad, right, and so that's why he let the cat out of the carrier. I I'm guaranteed that was his only cuz. He's like, well, I can't let leave this. You know, I can't just throw the cat carrier out, but like, why the fuck did you even throw it out? Like the second I saw that I would be like, oh my god, there's a cat in here.

Speaker 2: 44:48

What makes you take?

Speaker 1: 44:50

off. Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 2: 44:51

Well, maybe he didn't know, there's a damn cat in your car I mean, who knows?

Speaker 1: 44:55

again low low level of intelligence to be a ride-chair driver. You know what I mean. I'm just glad that the cat was found, because that and the cat was fine. Yeah, I mean, yeah, a little little dehydrated, covered in fleas, but yeah, what I got that guy. I mean they better that guy, better be careful if they find that guy and like they're gonna fuck him up. You know being, you know being like you don't fuck with someone's pets, like that's just, you just can't do that, but don't, don't you think lift deactivated him.

Speaker 2: 45:28

They know who he is well they would have to.

Speaker 1: 45:30

I mean just even though they See that's the thing, though they can deactivate for anything else, but like they can't prove that he ditched the cat, he said that a passenger, the next passenger that got in, didn't see, say or said there was not a cat back there. So yeah, we know he did, but I would be so stressed if my puppy was in a carrier. I mean, I'm not a cat guy per se, but I if one of my dogs was in there and they took off. Oh, we be getting. We be renting a car going to track this motherfucker down like I mean clearly that lady didn't have a car Because she was using the ride-chair service, but I'm not talking about.

Speaker 1: 46:11

Talk about a stressful day. I'm not.

Speaker 2: 46:14

I'm telling you my house, I would just, I think you lost your, your customer, there.

Speaker 1: 46:19

I don't think she's ever gonna be back.

Speaker 2: 46:22

So no, no, no.

Speaker 1: 46:24

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Speaker 1: 47:10

We've talked a lot, so we're gonna some of the stuff we might not get to, but door-to-ess test out a feature that rewards users for dining out, not ordering in. Okay, dornesh has made a name for itself as a restaurant delivery service. That is. Later years expanded categories like groceries, convenience or items, but the company is now running a test of surprising new feature a rewards program that offers consumers credits for dining out at local restaurants. The feature is simply called dine out allows users to earn credits by swiping to check in while they're at the restaurant. As a page on Door-to-ess customer support site explains, the amount of credit varies and will be stated in the offer. Plus that the restaurant has a multiple location, the credit may be limited to certain locations.

Speaker 2: 47:50

So what would be the purpose of? I know?

Speaker 1: 47:51

I'm trying to. Okay, I don't know what. What are they doing? It didn't really say it was. I'm sorry, I'm kind of buzzing through this thing.

Speaker 2: 48:03

Yeah, how is that helping, I guess, how is that helping do it?

Speaker 1: 48:05

Oh, so, essentially the app would serve as a lead gen for door-to-ess restaurant partners, a potential way to onboard restaurants to the platform that it hesitated to offer delivery service. Yeah, okay, if that's what they're doing, every fucking restaurant does store to ask it, I mean the ones that I go into. Well, my point is, if this is a rewards program, they're not gonna give it to for for McDonald's, I mean that don't always does it, so it's gonna be basically like these low, small mom-and-pop businesses that may, might not be on door-to-ess.

Speaker 2: 48:38

But that's all that's and that is doing. I mean, yeah, that's, that's absolutely what they're trying to do.

Speaker 1: 48:43

I mean, fuck those on get on door-to-ess and tell me what restaurant you I mean you can get anything on door-to-ess like. I don't know why this would be even that profitable For them.

Speaker 2: 48:52

No, I know.

Speaker 1: 48:53

I mean it would be cool. I yeah, I was thinking too like they were gonna like hey, take a picture of the menu, you know, or something like that.

Speaker 2: 49:00

But see I, I mean I don't. The problem is all I would never do. I mean I hate doing door-to-ess, I'm just being well, I can't do it, anyways, anymore.

Speaker 1: 49:08

You got to be a, you got a. You got to basically Sacrifice your firstborn son to get on the app and Grinner happens.

Speaker 2: 49:15

No, no, no, no, no. I mean being a user of door-to-ess.

Speaker 1: 49:19

Oh, really, yeah, I hate it how come.

Speaker 2: 49:22

Yeah, I just I don't want to pay the money.

Speaker 1: 49:24

I would just in general pick up the food, yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I I've used. I probably use it once a month, maybe even less than that. Sometimes I get lazy, although we've been watching our spending, so I definitely haven't used it since I took this new job.

Speaker 2: 49:39

But yeah, megan, I have not been using it. Wait, great, she don't listen anyways.

Speaker 1: 49:45

Don't, don't center this clip either, damn it all. So, anyways, jesper, another funny picture.

Speaker 2: 49:55

This is another one. I'm sure it is another, this one.

Speaker 1: 49:58

I know for sure his photoshop.

Speaker 2: 50:02

Somebody had fun. I mean, who would let a student driver in a Tesla?

Speaker 1: 50:08

Help a new driver, learn to save some money and take some risk and take some of the race. See that now that how I know it was fake just by reading that right. It wouldn't surprise me with uber doing something like that, though like I don't even know how you the legality wise, how that would be Be possible, but yeah, yeah, you wouldn't drive idiot.

Speaker 1: 50:32

All right. The last thing we'll probably end up talking about, because I'm sure we'll spend some time on it, is this is a long fucking article. By the way, delivery driver and I highlighted some of the stuff delivery drivers who make their living on apps like instacart, door-to-ash and growb I'm saying they're boot being booted without warning, which we've talked about several times. Yep, do a race driver estimating spent the next? Uh wait, so this guy gets deactivated for fraud. See what was the reason I didn't? Oh, is delivering up high.

Speaker 1: 51:00

When the customer changed the drop off location, the new destination would take 10 minutes longer. So he contacted uber eat support and asked whether he could drop the order. The angel on the other end approved it and told insider and assured him that it wouldn't negatively affect him. A few days later His account was deactivated. Suspected the drop order triggered the activation. All of a sudden it says my count is under investigation for fraud. Doesn't give any details. Driver estimates he spent the next two months exchanging messages with dozens of support agents but none could restore his account. That he most reiterated that he'd been deactivated for fraud, but declined to provide specifics. According to screenshots.

Speaker 2: 51:38

So before I move on, did he have the pie picked up already?

Speaker 1: 51:42

Ah, I didn't say that. My guess is yes, but then what?

Speaker 2: 51:46

what are you gonna do with a?

Speaker 1: 51:47

party for him dropping the order. That means you have the pie. I.

Speaker 2: 51:52

Know you can't drop the order when you have the pie. I mean you can, but you buy yeah, that is weird.

Speaker 1: 51:57

I wonder how that does work, because I've never. Usually, if the customer cancels when you have the food, well, guess what? You just scored free food.

Speaker 2: 52:06

Well, yeah, of course so maybe he deserves to be can't take the pie back.

Speaker 1: 52:12

It's not Costco. You have to buy, yeah, yeah, exactly so basically, I mean I could read you know all these Deactivations. Oh, here is one. I did want to read. One instacart shopper, california, said he was deactivated after a total wine store charged him more for a bottle of bourbon that the than the price indicated on the app.

Speaker 1: 52:32

He told insider. He called an instacart support agent who approved the purchase and added money to his company, issued debit card for that purpose. Instacart he was the vet deactivated later that day. Instacart cited total wine transaction. The shopper had committed a misappropriation of funds which I think he kept trying to charge the card, maybe and, and he couldn't work. So they were seeing that like, oh, he's trying to, he's trying to charge More for this bourbon or what. Whatever it is, I think something like that cuz he, cuz he.

Speaker 1: 53:02

The transaction you know what I mean? Maybe not, according the screenshots of chats that the shopper had with a sport agent added that the shopper had made several unauthorized purchases See, that's what I think but didn't point to any transaction other than the total wine. So I think he was like swiping it and swiping it. The company didn't offer any additional details. So yeah, I mean, it just feels something like that should be easy to prove.

Speaker 1: 53:25

Yeah, it should be easy to prove, especially see. That's why I kind of like the chat function. You call on the phone, it gets weird right, because I mean, yeah, they say they might be recording it, but I don't know, at least with this the chat, like I always screenshot that shit.

Speaker 2: 53:42

Just to go back.

Speaker 1: 53:43

But here's a question that no one's asking. In all these deactivations it's just like an at-will job, right? I mean right, I can, I can Like when I did lawn care. They can let me go for no reason. They don't have to give a reason, they can be like yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:01

It's just not working out. So this is kind of the same thing. People lose their mind thinking, oh it's unfair deactivations. Well, it may be unfair, they don't really even have to give you a reason. They're just be like, yeah, it's not working out anymore. Now, as long as they're not firing you for, you know, your age or your gender or Orientation or anything, a religious beliefs. Obviously that is against the law, but I don't know why people don't get out about that.

Speaker 2: 54:30

So what? What if the apps and this is a just came to my mind what if the apps didn't didn't deactivate you, if they just ghosted you? What do you mean? Like stop sending every class.

Speaker 1: 54:45

Oh, so you're online and just and then like but you're not getting shit, like like a girlfriend, you're just like well. I guess the last two weeks I haven't gotten laid or heard from her, so I guess we're done.

Speaker 2: 54:58

Well, I mean, that's why bother. I mean, this technology is not like they can't. Of course they can program, it's just don't send any, you know. You know, don't send stuff to this guy, don't, don't deactivate them, just stop sitting yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:14

I know, I know that's dumb, though that's not gonna work. I.

Speaker 2: 55:19

Just I know it would totally work, I Then they wouldn't get all the bad rep of being deactivating. You know, customers, just don't give them any jobs, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:28

Yeah, but that's not gonna work. Yes, sir, take your comedy down to the the bar and do Stand up, but no, it really. I get the frustration about not knowing. But you know again, at least in Michigan I don't know if that's a federal law or whatever they do not have to tell you why they're letting you go. One interesting thing Seattle Legislation said the city recently passed a measure that makes it harder for apps to deactivate gig drivers. For example, a driver refusing too many orders is not acceptable reason for getting fired under the new law. I mean, it shouldn't that most of them don't do that. But this is interesting. It all also requires a human, not a computer, to review any appeal that the driver makes to the activation decision. So I think a lot of this is AI deactivating these people, oh Sure, and and they don't just take the time as a human and even even the appeal. I think it's just run through a little system and it's like nope, you're still deactivated but what is?

Speaker 2: 56:33

the exact same thing as to why it took me so long to get back on this? Because their system was on, yeah, until a person finally took a look at it.

Speaker 1: 56:42

Oh, oh, yeah, you're good so in your situation, if you Lost the ability to drive on Uber and you didn't have lift, would you spend time Like trying to fight to get back on who just be like? Well, I guess I'm not doing gig work anymore, or at least with Uber.

Speaker 2: 57:00

It would.

Speaker 1: 57:00

It would be the last really you wouldn't even attempt to try to appeal or anything.

Speaker 2: 57:05

No, why I Mean I might, I might appeal once, but but then I would.

Speaker 1: 57:11

I mean, you see, how we look.

Speaker 2: 57:12

Look at how I mean I was. Let's be real right, I was barely in Inactive in trying to get back on this.

Speaker 1: 57:21

Yeah, you were, which was crazy, yeah, but you love it so much you love it, you talk about it being your therapy and you want to get out there and drive it. But yeah, you're like if I get deactivated, oh well, I'll just move on.

Speaker 2: 57:36

Right, no, and maybe I would. Maybe I would you know after about, after a bit I would fight for it more because I do love it. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1: 57:43

I mean, obviously you have other things to do, but I mean it is, it is a good money maker.

Speaker 2: 57:47

I mean I mean think about that, if you did it every weekend.

Speaker 1: 57:51

Yeah, this was a pretty good weekend, but you'd make four grand a month.

Speaker 2: 57:56

I Would at least make three grand a month if I do. Oh, yes.

Speaker 1: 57:59

That's crazy to me.

Speaker 2: 58:02

On top of your other job Again.

Speaker 1: 58:04

You're gonna need a month to recover, but I mean it's just crazy.

Speaker 2: 58:08

So yeah, but me again, if I would, if I would just say three, if I would do three, three grand a week, I wouldn't drive nearly as crazy. That's true, you're gonna month, I wouldn't drive the crazy, you know, yeah, I mean 25 hours on the weekend, after you work 60.

Speaker 1: 58:23

I know you've been busy and stuff too, so Right All right folks.

Speaker 1: 58:27

Thank you guys for chatting the people that are in here. I appreciate you, steve. Again, thank you for the super chat I love. He always does 499. He never does five, it's 499. I don't know why. It's probably a joke that I don't know about. We had a ton of shit that we didn't get to because we had a lot of stories, so we will obviously bring those back around. We do have a B side next week, as far as I know. I've been who is that person?

Speaker 2: 58:56

Yeah, we're talking to somebody.

Speaker 1: 58:58

I think it is Steve, I'm sure it's a dash or pass. Faith from Dash or pass. So we had I had emailed her like so time ago and it just didn't work out. And, yeah, we, we picked a date and yeah, should be fun. It would be good to do a B side. I know a lot of people like them.

Speaker 2: 59:23

Yeah, we've heard a lot of good comments about the P side format. They like that.

Speaker 1: 59:26

Yeah. So again, if you want to be on the show as a gig worker or a gig creator or Whatever, we'd love to have you on to talk about your story. So Absolutely you next week at 8 pm Eastern. And, as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit.

Speaker 2: 59:46

And we'll see you on the road. Bye.

Speaker 1: 59:49

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