Welcome to the thriving hustle of the gig economy. But it's not all rosy; we dive into the harsh realities faced by Uber drivers dealing with disrespectful passengers and Uber's flawed compensation system. Through the eyes of a driver faced with an unpaid extra stop and rude customers, we discuss the economic implications of this scenario - a stark reminder that drivers don't earn much and depend on passengers respecting their time.
Ever wondered about the differences between driving part-time and full-time in the gig economy? We explore this, giving you insights into how the younger generation is leveraging this space. We also discuss Lyft's innovation, its new feature allowing drivers to choose XL and Comfort over Classic.
As we continue our journey through the gig economy, we delve into contentious issues like the impact of the plastic bag ban on grocery deliveries. We engage in a lively debate about a mandatory tipping policy for gig workers. We also speculate on some potential solutions like drivers carrying reusable bags to the store and swapping them with customers. If you're keen on getting a holistic view of the gig economy, understanding its challenges, and brainstorming potential solutions, you won't want to miss this episode. We'll see you on the inside.
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Speaker 1:
I Guys, welcome to the Podcast. Oh man, I was gonna do our last time. Do you remember when I cracked that pop right at the pause?
Speaker 3:
I know I was gonna do that again I totally fucking flaked on it.
Speaker 1:
I wouldn't you forgot hey guys, thank you guys so much for joining us. Hey Larry, glad you're here in early. We're talking, larry, a lot this week.
Speaker 3:
You're working on this week.
Speaker 1:
No, I've been talking to Larry a lot this week.
Speaker 3:
No, I would do nobody.
Speaker 1:
Only talk to you when you work. When I work, no, no, and you don't talk to anybody when you work.
Speaker 3:
So I know, I know.
Speaker 1:
So that's this one.
Speaker 3:
You only works if you know where the button is yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I'm a little slow, so thanks guys for joining us tonight, this episode hundred and sixty-eight. I just want to thank our patreon members Larry from bowling green, samson from Grand Rapids, steve from Colorado, bud Dickman from North Carolina, omar from Detroit, delivery cats from Michigan, jamie from Tennessee, frank from Philly, joe from Grand Rapids, nate from Florida and John from California that I didn't put on the list, but we have a new one.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, john McAleon, don't you mean oh, dad John, I'm sorry If you took a shit ten minutes ago, you wouldn't, you wouldn't remember if you took a shit. Wait, did I?
Speaker 1:
yeah, did you.
Speaker 1:
I don't know. Anyways, guys, thanks so much for joining us. We're gonna jump right into gig economy in the news. So a couple of these videos definitely have some music in it, so we'll probably get demonetized. But we don't make much money on YouTube anyway, so fuck them, we don't give a shit at all. So the first one is about a guy that talks about being used for extra stops and not getting paid for the time which. Well, to discuss after it, these girls get a little nasty to him, but I think he holds his ground, does good job, so watch that and then chat the timers for five minutes?
Speaker 2:
I know no.
Speaker 3:
Five minutes, so why can't we just go through the job?
Speaker 2:
because I don't get paid for the stops. It's supposed to be a pick up and go, Whoa after the stop only lasts for five minutes right, that's what a drive through.
Speaker 4:
Um, just give me a chocolate shake.
Speaker 2:
But you understand, I would take longer than five minutes either regardless. Going through the drive suit you know I don't get paid for the stop.
Speaker 4:
Okay.
Speaker 2:
I'm gonna cancel the ride. You guys can get out. Please get out of my car. Please get out of my car. All in the right right now.
Speaker 4:
Shut up and the fucking ride.
Speaker 2:
Please get out my car. Thank you and I will okay, I'll handle it right now. Get out my car.
Speaker 4:
Thank, you, can you tell me get out? Spit on you, bitch go ahead and spill me.
Speaker 2:
The cops will be here fucking 15.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, she's actually gonna spit on me, so so he was frustrated, or he was frustrated because he doesn't get paid for the stop. So I want to talk about that first. Right, so you get paid for time, which is we all know is Ridiculous. I think it's 10 cents in our market, right? But what? What does he mean? If they added a stop? They don't add extra.
Speaker 3:
I mean, they do a little bit, but it's probably one of those situations where they had the stop again after they got in the car.
Speaker 1:
Right, but don't you think that I guess I don't understand what he means when he doesn't get paid, actually like if they, if they had added a stop, or maybe I'm, maybe I'm missed, I'm not understanding what exactly what he was saying then.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I mean I don't know. Obviously it made it sound like first aid. The girls wanted him to go through the driver and he refused because it was to take too long.
Speaker 1:
But it sounded like they did add a stop because he said it's five minutes, right, and so he didn't want to wait there because it was gonna take longer than five minutes, right.
Speaker 3:
But then he said that's what they said, yeah but I thought he said something.
Speaker 1:
You didn't add a stop, but I'm like wait a minute. If they know that it takes five minutes, but Irregardless it's kind of weird, but either way either way, they're being rude about it and they were being definitely rude.
Speaker 3:
but so let me ask you a question if you, if you found yourself in it, wouldn't you just Go through it? Yeah, do you think you would have canceled and move on?
Speaker 1:
Well, I think he canceled it because she said what are you hard up for, money or something? I don't know if you heard that.
Speaker 3:
I did, I did oh okay, he kept, he kept, he kept complaining.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think I would have this.
Speaker 3:
There's no doubt there were bitches right. Yeah they were they. They were in the wrong.
Speaker 1:
Oh, 100%.
Speaker 3:
They were in the wrong, but would you have been complaining all along and just kind of, I Mean, we don't know what led up to that he ever see clipped it somewhere.
Speaker 1:
I assume if it was bad enough he would have kept it. But no, I probably would have just done it. But if they were giving me shit about it, like I think he still would have been fine with it until they were like kind of disrespectful, you know so no true, I mean, and honestly, he could have just not stopped, I, he could have said stop, keep going, and then go, go on to the next one.
Speaker 1:
Well, I think, yeah, but I think he want. They wanted him to go through the drive-thru and he said, no right, yeah, but either way respect your uber drivers, respect their time. They don't make that much money and you know, just don't be a bitch about it.
Speaker 3:
So but the respect goes both ways too, I mean. I'm not saying it wasn't his fault by any means, but his, his actions, wasn't respectful either.
Speaker 1:
I disagree. I think he was very respectful, like what? How was he disrespect?
Speaker 3:
I wouldn't have canceled it.
Speaker 1:
Well they were being. That was I would have she, oh I. I would have done exactly, exactly what he did.
Speaker 3:
I guess, if I've gotten to the point where they were so Weird, then maybe I would have. I guess, I don't know well you. I feel like. I feel like their reactions was in Was in contrast to his reactions. His company, his, he kept on complaining. I mean, yeah, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1:
If you go look at the comments of that post, everyone's like oh you, you handled that so well, like, and I think he did. I think he was calm. If that was me I would have been cursing, I'd be like oh yeah, you know, but my point is is like you, you put up with a lot of abuse that's not caught on you, but you're able to swallow a lot of that where first you know somebody like me and like, no, you're not gonna disrespect me in my car. I mean right.
Speaker 1:
I think he probably should have just sucked it up, buttercup, and just did it, and then, you know, maybe rated him one star, I don't know.
Speaker 3:
But yeah, I mean. The other thing you don't know is I mean I've had civil situations like that way end up in a big tip.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3:
You don't know that right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and we don't know what happened before that.
Speaker 3:
We don't. We don't know the whole story and I don't mean to be disrespectful to him, because I don't know the whole story either. So it's not that Next anyways. Next one, I found it. This is a. It's an article. It's actually from this month, because we know we have. We can't be reporting on old news.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, what was the same again the Jiminy, jiminy he doesn't he?
Speaker 3:
he doesn't matter, that's what matters. So it's from in Tyler magazine. It's all from October 17th, and what I thought was interesting was that the title goes beat the typical gig driver a millennial, mid-kentanyl millennial earning up to $40 power, who doesn't have another job and depends on your tips. So it's an interesting story. Basically, the gist of it is that you know, it's the younger, the younger people are, the many millennials, if you will, a higher percentage of them are doing gig work, then then workers before that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah so that's basically what they're seeing. They're seeing this Down to time, if you will. More and more people are more younger. People are using the gig up the platforms to make extra money, both aside money but also as full-time hustles. But then I what I thought was interesting was that a lot of people keep bringing up this $40 an hour, like it says in the title. Now down in the in the article, it does say that most of them there's a. There's a guy from, oh, the known YouTube channel. You know what it is. It's a big, famous one.
Speaker 1:
About gig work. Yeah, the right.
Speaker 3:
Thank you, the right Check out. So one of the guys are one of the People on that channel is basically saying that it's more like in this particular city. It's more like 20 to 25 thousand hours that they are. That's more true to the, to the real, and that's usually before but but a bit of before expenses costs expenses there, thank you.
Speaker 3:
But that made me think, though. I mean most nights when I go, and I know that the difference is and the article does address that actually that the, the part-timers who can go out and do whenever they want to go out, they tend to be able to have a higher hourly rate because they get, they can take, they can pick and choose whenever they want. And honestly and I'm not padding my own back, but most nights when I go out I make 35 to 40 hours an hour. Now, that is generally Most nights. That's before cost, so that's before I subtract gas, right, so that brings it to about 32, 34 hours an hour, but that's still not too bad, I think not at all.
Speaker 1:
I think that's great.
Speaker 3:
And then you get to subtracted mileage as well at the end. Sorry, yeah, that's that, but the gist of the story is just based mainly that 2021 Pew resource survey of 10,000 adults found that 18% of 18 to 29 year olds had worked for a delivery platform, compared to 7% of 30 to 49 year olds, and and 9 9% of 18 to 19 year olds and 6% of 30 to 49 year olds surveyed for few had driven for outright healing apps. So basically, you know the younger, younger crowd. It was much higher percentage. But then they also say that it's definitely also based on income. So the higher income of the population generally don't drive at all. Hmm, so this is very it's very much low income to medium, medium, medium income, if you will, if you will, that drives. They're the ones that will go out and do the gig, the gig jobs.
Speaker 1:
So you, which I think makes sense- yeah, I mean we've always talked about 100,000 times as, like, part time is always better than full time. But then, you know, you bring up Gabe. You know what I mean. And Gabe, you know I hear some of the bonuses getting. He's taking the week long bonus and then doing the weekend bonus.
Speaker 3:
I mean he's so Gabriel's driving full time. Yeah, but my saying is he's he still gets, he still takes, it takes. I was going to say he still drives whenever it's best.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, he's not driving in the middle of the day, Right? You know he's doing mornings a lot and I think you know and again, market specific, but I think he is able, he's one that can maximize the full time, but I don't always think that's the way. You know he's still being skillful with everything he does. But I wouldn't just blatantly go out and drive full time without putting a little research and stuff into your market and those things like that.
Speaker 3:
No, no, no. But it's, you know, I think it's definitely. It's proven to the point that gig economy is here to stay. It's, you know, the increase and people are still doing it. Younger and younger people are still doing it and have used it at some point. You know, I think it is. I think it is in a lot of ways. What is it going to say? I lost my train, I forgot, so keep going.
Speaker 1:
You're talking about that. You're beautiful. Moving on to the next one.
Speaker 3:
I'm drinking beautiful beer.
Speaker 1:
I'm not sure what this is. Guy hit me up, say you can send another driver. I say no, why? He says you're driving too slow. I say you can cancel. He says I'm not canceling my ride for you. I pulled 50 minutes to get of it and said I'll cancel it now and got another hit.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I don't know what it's for you. I saw it in the chat.
Speaker 1:
And then you, just, you just put it to talk about.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, but even though you didn't know what it was about, I think I didn't post it.
Speaker 1:
Did I post it? Yeah, I didn't do it. All right, I'm fucking going in there. You know I'm gonna, because I see we have a chat that we specifically uh no, you posted it.
Speaker 3:
I posted it.
Speaker 1:
Yes, sir, you did on 523 on October 17th.
Speaker 3:
I suck, you do.
Speaker 1:
But I understand what he's saying is basically that he's wanting the customer to cancel and the customer won't cancel. So he drove there and I had a story about that a month ago where I was a comfort and I wouldn't cancel, and I drove all the way there and then realizing like an asshole that it the comfort is a longer cancel time and then I ended up only getting $7 and I'm like, nope, I should have canceled, I should have canceled.
Speaker 3:
Yes, speaking of comfort, go ahead. No, it's just going to from learned, how long is the comfort cancellation time?
Speaker 1:
Isn't it 10 minutes? Eight minutes, eight minutes Okay.
Speaker 3:
It is way too long.
Speaker 1:
Way too long, so I'm gonna I'm gonna pivot here and add this and then we'll just talk about it, since I added it late and I can do that real quick and I'm awesome. So Lyft recently announced that, um, they're they got rid of Lux, which we talked about, um, and Lyft added the comfort, like Uber did. But what they really added is you can now choose XL and comfort, and not Lyft Classic, which they call it. And that's amazing because Jesper for since Lyft came here, has not been able to filter out the crap here and now with Maximo.
Speaker 1:
Obviously you can do that, um, but I mean as much as I love Maximo if, if you didn't want to do the all the other settings, this is a much better feature to be able to do this.
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, build in and it's quick and easy, it's, it's yeah.
Speaker 1:
And and now you could do that for Lyft and Uber, which I think is awesome. Um, I'm interested to see how this uh, what actually extra comfort is. Are they just trying to name it different from Uber instead of just Uber?
Speaker 3:
Lyft, lyft yeah, probably I was just thinking I've never actually taken an extra comfort ride. Um, I've never, never had that before until just now. Um, what do?
Speaker 1:
you mean an extra comfort, like taking a ride as a passenger.
Speaker 3:
I've never had, I've never taken a passenger with uh using Lyft comfort. Well, that's brand new Right. Just going to say yeah.
Speaker 1:
Like literally coming out this week.
Speaker 3:
See, I'm an expert. Yeah, you're an expert, all right.
Speaker 1:
Didn't you just say did you hear me say like a month ago we talked about them getting rid of Lyft Lux, which we never had here.
Speaker 3:
We never had Lux, now no.
Speaker 1:
So it's new for us. But um yeah, what were you going to say?
Speaker 3:
No, I just am excited about being able to drive Lyft and come, because I always drive excellent comfort only.
Speaker 1:
Well, you, you always do, but the last couple of times you said you tried, but you weren't able to pull it off.
Speaker 3:
Well, that's only when I drive for a quest. I can't.
Speaker 1:
I see it's the quest that throws you off.
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, cause you sit a little right. Yeah, but honestly, most nights, when I do come for excellent, excellent comfort only, I don't do much, much worse. I mean I do pretty damn good yeah, making money that, doing that way.
Speaker 1:
I'm really glad that the weather has changed. I think that's going to help.
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, we need some more rain, we need some more snow.
Speaker 1:
Well, that last time I worked it rained that weekend and that was the weekend I was able to do the 50 rides in a day and a half, because people didn't want to walk Right, you know did you hear that winter winter fest is coming again to Grand Rapids? The winter beer fest.
Speaker 3:
No, no, no Winter, like they do that, that from January through April, of January to March, where they have that winter, all the sculptures and stuff downtown. So it'll be a lot, a lot more opportunity to drive around with people.
Speaker 1:
Is that a three month thing?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, it goes from the end of end of January to start of March, so I want to have more too much Tom comments.
Speaker 1:
I think this was for the last show. But Uber Pro card for Dime of Drivers pay cash back 9% at mobile, that's good See, we talked we talked. We talked about you know what are the benefits, and there are some, and like 9%, I mean if you're fueling up every day, 9%.
Speaker 3:
Now, can you? Can you mess it up with your upside?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's a Tom, you can. You'll have to answer that. I don't know if you use get upside, but that would be. That would be really nice if you could do that 10% gas every time, so that would be cool.
Speaker 3:
So yeah, this is a TikTok. Why don't you show it?
Speaker 1:
I forget what's one it is. I got to label this shit.
Speaker 3:
Just pay it.
Speaker 1:
Oh yeah, that's some good weed, hello puppy.
Speaker 3:
Tell them the packages there. Puppy.
Speaker 1:
That's some good weed, that's yes, I'm good weed. That's some good weed man. That's a good camera. Let's watch that again. Just kind of funny. I mean I'm sure you smell all kinds of stuff when you're delivering. I was actually had.
Speaker 3:
I had that discussion with my wife the other day. She was out, we were out. It was the night we went out, the night before the picnic actually, we went downtown and she was and I think she's right Everywhere down time at night. Now quite often, you see you, you can smell this, the weeds we smell all over the place.
Speaker 1:
Oh yeah, it's like a haze.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I mean you get used to it. But yeah, I mean, if you're not used to that smell and you haven't, like, been downtown, it's just because, yeah, you're not supposed to smoke it in public, but people do. I mean, once it was legal and I think everyone knew that that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3:
So you're not, you're not allowed to smoke it out on just walking on streets.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:
It's just like alcohol. I didn't know that it's just like alcohol.
Speaker 1:
I mean obviously had those social areas I don't need. That doesn't even include weed, that's just booze, but like you it's, it's open in talks, just like anything else. But my point see.
Speaker 3:
But that's so interesting, because that's that's in Denmark. You can drink whatever you want.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't understand that you can't drink on the sidewalk.
Speaker 3:
What's the purpose of, I mean, what's the purpose of not being able to have a glass of beer outside?
Speaker 1:
Well, what's the purpose of not being able to sell alcohol on Sunday Like that? Used to be the law for so long or well it still is you? Can't buy it till noon.
Speaker 3:
Like well, cuz you know what you know. You know we don't want to know the sinners sitting on Sundays.
Speaker 1:
Well, yeah, we, and we don't want, you know, alcohol to sweet. You know, make sure that they don't go to church because they're too drunk.
Speaker 3:
No drinking alcohol after church.
Speaker 1:
Yes, exactly, I mean good, good Dutch people. I remember I'm sure I brought it up, but I had neighbors where I live because you couldn't even buy alcohol in Ottawa County on Sunday, and so they would drive to Granville to buy their booze on Sunday you know they're beer while they watched the football game because they couldn't buy it in Ottawa County.
Speaker 3:
Michelle used to work at Meyer many, many moons ago and she told me a story it's so funny, so there was exactly one of those stories that you couldn't drink and you couldn't buy alcohol at Meyer from you know 2 am to you know Afternoon, right? So here's the guy. He comes running into the store, right. He literally runs in, it's like 145, he goes, I just got a hurry over and then the line is crazy long. So he's like paying everybody ten dollars to get up in front of the line, right. And here's the most fun thing, jason, it's it's the same night. The clock comes, it goes back, so two o'clock, now it's one. So he had plenty of time. Oh, what a day. Well, you're strong. Oh, oh, my gosh. So he paid all that money.
Speaker 1:
That's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3:
He's like this is a 12-pack of beer can. Of course I'm like 70 dollars because it paid everybody 10 bucks. What?
Speaker 1:
is it? What is it with people that man, when they want their booze, like they'll do anything to get it, like not that they're alcoholics, but they're like I got this feeling, this party going on and I don't want it to stop, so like they'll do everything they can to get that last string fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3:
That is yeah, it's no. I've been yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:
So this one's kind of weird. I put it in the the someone hack my Uber account. Jokes on you. They didn't have to mine, but it's Uber lift drivers and it says sabotage is a real thing. Someone is going inside of my Uber account in, stealing the number of trips I've completed. I've completed close to 4,000 trips, but it went down to 28, 22 and today it's down to 21, 30. Someone is really going through a lot to defame me. So I mean it's hard to see, but the numbers are different. But I mean I Don't know. I don't know if someone's actually hacked it or if she's just. What's the?
Speaker 3:
purpose of it, though.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah. I don't understand Well she says oh, you're zooming it yeah it has. Well, it's Defaming her like that's you said, someone's going through a lot to defame me, like you don't get any fame for the amount of Uber drive you do. It's just strange to me.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
I think she, uh, she's on methamphetamines. That's what I think she's on.
Speaker 3:
Did you see her? Cancel rate cancellation rate went up to well, it's 44%. Like how the fuck, yeah, but then it was 40 of them, but then, after they took away 700 trips, it was 51%.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, but my point is how are you still driving with a 44% cancellation rate, like I have it like a 3% cancellation rate, right, and she has a 90% acceptance rate. So I don't know. I think she's a little crazy. I should have read that. Oh, there's only five comments, so who knows? I probably was just like what are you doing, ma'am?
Speaker 3:
This next one has absolutely ridiculous and I think is Absolutely the one number one reason as to why I'm not delivering for sparks.
Speaker 1:
Oh God so yeah, I had to pull these screenshots. So a lot of. So New York State has gone to no bags. So, like you, you can't even get them. You can't buy him. Some states have gone to. If you want the plastic bags is 10 cents. So my guess is they take that money and give it to, I don't know, recycling centers or whatever. I don't know Right, but this is the first picture. Oh nope, I did it backwards. So this is the, the food in the car. So obviously got all that shit in there. And there's the back. Hey, got the furnace filter. That's important, y'all. I changed mine today. So this person got a lot of. Let's go back to that. They loved that like. So we got one 24 pack to 24 packs of Dr Pepper.
Speaker 1:
Then we're going to the next picture another water pack of Dr Pepper, so they love the Dr Pepper, can't blame them. And then the final shot is like all this shit. Oh I just saw that I was just gonna say that I didn't even say well, probably you the fucking dropped it, but I Don't, I don't understand why I would have thrown it against the wall.
Speaker 1:
But like how I mean? So, like most stores, like I've all the, I mean you could get bags there, but all the doesn't provide them. You can grab boxes, costco no bags you can provide, you can get boxes. I really think the plastic bag thing has got it out of control. I do think we need to eliminate them and I'm kind of a hippie when it comes to that stuff and I know there's some a lot of bullshit that's involved with recycling, especially plastics, not so much paper or cardboard, but the plastics. It's kind of scammy.
Speaker 3:
So is today. So it's actually been like that for 20 years in that mic you've been. You have to pay for bags.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I Mean but where does that money go? Is it going to?
Speaker 3:
Oh it's, it's a governmental fee, gotcha. So the government gets the money, the store don't get to keep it. The government gets the money and it goes to help recycling.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, no, I don't know how they recycle those bags, because you can't bring, you can't put those plastic bags in your Recycle bin. You actually have to bring them to my or, which I do like once every three months. I bring them there, but I wonder how they actually recycle those if they melt them down or I throw mine away. Do you, it's fine, I, I do. I mean I use mine to pick up dog shit.
Speaker 3:
So you know what I mean like. I do recycle them, though I do bring the kid later.
Speaker 1:
Well, yeah, I mean, at least I'm using it for something. I feel better if I'm like, well, we use it in our, our Bathroom trashes too, you know what I mean. I feel better if I'm using it a second time for something else. But sure, yeah, but no, I will recycle. But yeah, I don't know, there's a lot of there's not a lot of money in plastics right now, so the recycling.
Speaker 3:
But let me ask you this question here then. So so we obviously know that ship, then all these Services are not going anywhere. They're here to stay. So is this bank problem something that they have to solve? Is that it's something that if you want to use it now, you have to? You have to every time. You mean you, maybe there's a bunch of reusable bags, so whenever you get two bags, you hand two bags in. I mean I don't know what is it, what's the solution?
Speaker 1:
I think the solution is that Instacart requires you to carry Reusable bags and then when you get to the customer, you just unloaded on the porch, like that guy did I. I don't think you should try to load the groceries without any bags, because that's dumb for you, right? I mean, obviously he probably got surprised on it and he's like what the fuck? I would have cancelled it for me. I would have been like I'm not delivering this, I'm not, you're not loading that shit in my car.
Speaker 3:
But what? What if you have? What if you have? What if the customer has three MTV usable bags already ready for them to drop, so you can pick up three empty bags and You're gonna pick up the bags and then drive to the store.
Speaker 1:
No, no, no no no, you can swap them out.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, invasion, you have ten bags. Yeah, all right as a driver. Oh, you always have ten bags. You go to the store. Oh, you have three bags. I'm gonna take three bags. You're gonna hear us three more. I like that store three bags and then you go to your passenger, you go to an up pass, you go to the way you drop it off. You drop off three bags. You get three bags.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think that's actually perfect. I mean I can see some holds in it with people not leaving their bags out like they're supposed to, Like. I can see that and as long as the company takes the hit for that, like if the customer doesn't leave their bags, you know, whatever you know.
Speaker 3:
Well, you could just say the customer didn't leave his bags, since the $5 extra for a bag.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, oh yeah, that would be a hefty fee.
Speaker 3:
But you have to make it enough that it's worth it for you to drop out. You know the bag.
Speaker 1:
Well, yeah, you have to make it painful enough so that they make sure they leave their fucking bags. I like that idea.
Speaker 3:
This is why the can system doesn't work. 10 cents who cares? Nobody cares about 10 cents.
Speaker 1:
See, I disagree. I think it works great. Do you ever see cans on the road? You see trash. You don't ever see pop cans.
Speaker 3:
That's true, but it needs to be more. It needs to be more. They need to A dollar.
Speaker 1:
No, what they need to do is they need a dollar. What they need to do.
Speaker 3:
Can you look, give it to that guy oh.
Speaker 1:
God, that's the second one tonight. Oh, I can't do it. Oh, fuck, I can't do it on Twitch. That's the problem. It's all right. Who cares? Who cares? Oh?
Speaker 3:
anyways, I still I mean, this is the number one I would never, ever do this, Never.
Speaker 1:
Do what?
Speaker 3:
Like if I got somebody just emptied the bags in my car seat. No, get them out of here.
Speaker 1:
Well, no, I think you know he rolled up and then they're like yeah, customer, requested no bags. I would have been like yeah, customer can fuck off because.
Speaker 3:
I'm going Cancel Plenty of other work besides this one.
Speaker 1:
But yeah, I'd be interested to interview somebody from New York to see how they are doing that, because I know in New York state or maybe it's New York city I bet it's the New York state, though you know they're pretty liberal.
Speaker 3:
I would not do that. I would not do that. I get it, yeah, but I like your system.
Speaker 1:
I like that idea. You know you start out with 10 bags and this is how we do it. It would be a pain in the ass but it would be a good system to keep plastic bags out. The problem is and this is going to break everyone's heart, but everyone knows this truth we are not the polluters of the earth.
Speaker 3:
No no.
Speaker 1:
You're better than everybody. Well, maybe not the smaller countries like Denmark and stuff like that, but I mean, for the amount of people that we have, like it's India and China, they're just pouring shit and I mean, look at, the rivers are black. You know what I mean. So, but I try to do the best I can to look at what America was like 50 years ago. Yeah, true. Well, there's 350 million people in this.
Speaker 3:
I mean, it's a lot, oh, I know, but the interesting part then, if you look at it so, have you ever looked at some of the pictures of Mumbai during COVID? It was beautiful, blue Like the sky over Mumbai Because all the factories were shut down it was so beautiful, it was just crazy. And people are living like this is insane.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, why aren't we doing something to slow this pollution down? Yeah, we only get. It's only one earth y'all. Once it's gone, it's gone. So well, we'll be dead. We don't care, we'll be dead. Yeah, true, all right, we do care, actually Well obviously because I'm recycling and I'm trying to do the best I can. Reusable energy, all that stuff.
Speaker 3:
It has an electric car.
Speaker 1:
Electric car, even though they say that it costs more pollution to mine the. What is it? The coal vault for the batteries.
Speaker 3:
Nickel, nickel, whatever.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I think that technology will be getting better too. All right, we have to talk about this one too. God, that's a big picture Because we talked about it. Can I write out, just curious? I don't know if this guy was trolling or not. I sure hope so, but just curious. Does anyone use shoes as an expense for tax purposes? Cause I'm sure walking a lot more doing this job and I'm wearing out my shoes much faster, so I actually think it's possible. No way.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Really.
Speaker 3:
Because in some jobs it's part of your. It's part of your. What's it called Uniform, your uniform, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, it would be like when I did lawn care. It was, but not for a gig worker. No one's required. I mean, are you?
Speaker 3:
required to, but where's the line in the center? Where's the line? Why can't you say why can't you say I need to buy these three pair of shoes because I'm using them so much more and it's a business expense?
Speaker 1:
who's gonna say Well, they'll say well, you don't have to wear shoes. I mean, that's bullshit, Jason, I mean you're gonna have to wear shoes to go into the restaurant, but I mean, once you get outside the restaurant you don't have to wear shoes. I mean, I'm being ridiculous, of course but I'm just saying you know the IRS would say that.
Speaker 3:
So if again, I'm not a Humsland shirt, but if there is a tax professional among our readership listenership, we'd love to comment on it.
Speaker 1:
Readership you're so fucking old Listenership.
Speaker 3:
But here's the thing where do?
Speaker 1:
you draw the line for that Like I need these 64 pairs of shoes, and they're all Nike dunks to do my job.
Speaker 3:
Well, that's the thing, Don't be ridiculous right, that's the thing.
Speaker 1:
Hey, I was curious. So how many miles do you think I've driven? Speaking of tax write off, now I'm gonna break this down into business and personal. And personal means I'm driving the bus too, because I only can do two categories. I'm not gonna do more than two. How many miles do you think between driving, gig work and personal life that includes bus driving that you think I have driven for this year?
Speaker 3:
This year, yeah, 18,000 miles 30,000 miles.
Speaker 1:
Oh 12,000 of that is Uber and Lyft. Good job, I'm in the seat a lot. My ass is getting wider. Okay, uh, what do we? What do we?
Speaker 3:
do your wife. Your wife might appreciate that.
Speaker 1:
She does. Um, let's just. I think we only really have two more, so let's just do the instacart one. Um, we're not going to play the whole thing. I don't know if it's staged or not it kind of feels like it is, but we'll at least play the first minute. It's just about someone that, uh, is frustrated without getting a tip as an instacart worker and it was starting to take the food back and canceling the order or something. So watch that, uh, and then we will wrap this bitch up.
Speaker 4:
Uh, you can see how much work it was and why I should be getting a tip because of how much work.
Speaker 2:
No, you don't deserve this. I certainly don't. Why do I not You're?
Speaker 4:
crushing the ramen noodles for one.
Speaker 2:
The ramen noodles are perfectly fine, I don't know what you're talking about? No, they're not, they're perfectly fine, crush them for one, they're not crushed.
Speaker 4:
And why does it matter?
Speaker 2:
anyways, I'm taking it back to store. They're not for you anymore.
Speaker 4:
They're not for you anymore. I just told you why I should get a tip they. I had to pack all of this in my car and bring you guys in unpack it. You did not pay me, you paid the serve, you paid the delivery app.
Speaker 2:
Okay, you paid the delivery app. You did not pay me.
Speaker 4:
Do you not understand that? No, I'm taking all of this back. No, you're not. Yes, I am. No, you're not. You're letting me get your refund and another delivery driver can deal with you. Guys, I'm not going to deal with you.
Speaker 3:
No, you're stealing.
Speaker 2:
No, I'm not stealing it.
Speaker 4:
I'm taking it back.
Speaker 2:
How do we know we're going to take it back to the store? How do we know you're going to take it back to the store?
Speaker 4:
You'll get a receipt, trust me. No, I won't. Yeah, you will. Okay, I'm going to go take it back to the store. You're doing it. I don't need it. You can get fired over here.
Speaker 3:
You don't need all this stuff. You're going to get fired over here.
Speaker 4:
So I don't have a reason to have it.
Speaker 2:
So I'm going to take it back to the store. This is over $400 that you're stealing.
Speaker 4:
You're stealing it over $400. I'm not stealing it, I'm taking it back to the store.
Speaker 2:
Who you are. Who you are, You're going to go to jail.
Speaker 4:
Clearly you're not understanding, because I'm telling you right now it's going back to the store, you guys can get your money back and you can hire another driver.
Speaker 1:
You can't just take another driver.
Speaker 4:
You can't take things that don't belong to you. You clearly don't understand how this is to confirm the order. It's my property. That doesn't matter, you can't just get your refund back so that I don't have to deal with you guys.
Speaker 2:
No, you're going to lose your job.
Speaker 4:
No, and at this point I rather lose my job than have to deal with you guys At this point.
Speaker 2:
You're going to load it all back up.
Speaker 4:
I'm going to load it all back up and get you guys rich.
Speaker 2:
I feel like this is just a waste of time. You're just wasting your time.
Speaker 4:
I'd rather waste my time than deal with you guys at this point.
Speaker 1:
I'd rather you guys deal with another driver. Why'd you fucking deliver it then with no tip? Then?
Speaker 4:
you can see that they're going to have an issue as well, because you're not tipping, then you're going to have to deal with another driver. I mean tipping is optional for the reason.
Speaker 2:
This is going to become a cycle.
Speaker 4:
It's going to keep happening If they wanted it to be mandatory.
Speaker 2:
Why didn't they make this a thing?
Speaker 4:
I don't know, I don't make the rules for these apps. I just work for it.
Speaker 2:
Why don't you?
Speaker 4:
complain to them and just give us our food. We do complain. Have you not been hearing about the strikes? She's kind of sexy.
Speaker 2:
You guys are watching the news. You have a better job.
Speaker 4:
I did a great job, actually. I delivered all this stuff to you, I unloaded it and I got it here early. So I'm confused how. I do the job and why I don't deserve a tip. That's how you show your appreciation. Clearly, you don't deserve a tip. You're not even giving me my groceries.
Speaker 2:
Well, no.
Speaker 4:
I'm not because you guys didn't tip me. What don't you understand? You don't deserve a tip. It's optional, okay, I?
Speaker 2:
don't deserve a tip Just because it's optional doesn't give you the right to take my groceries. You said I don't deserve a tip, so now I'm going to return it back. And you guys are using your money back.
Speaker 1:
That's right, you're frozen, you're literally stealing my groceries. Why can't he hear me Okay? So you're stealing my groceries, shaking them back in the store and then I'm going to get you fired.
Speaker 4:
Go ahead, because you stole my groceries and then I'm going to go cops.
Speaker 1:
That's $300 worth of charges right there.
Speaker 4:
So that's a misdemeanor.
Speaker 1:
Go ahead. That's felony for you. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:
I just want to lay out the logic of all of this. Go ahead and lay it out for me.
Speaker 4:
You guys are going to get your refund back and then you guys can do it.
Speaker 2:
It's more than a refund, you're stolen.
Speaker 4:
It has nothing to do with me anymore, so once I return those back to the store, it's up to them for what they do.
Speaker 2:
All right, you know what you take everything, you take everything and you have a great day, we are going to report this.
Speaker 4:
Go ahead, if I'm going to keep it for herself.
Speaker 2:
That's what I'm thinking about, okay.
Speaker 1:
First of all, I was talking to you that whole time and I realized you can't hear me because we're remote.
Speaker 3:
Right.
Speaker 1:
I'm like I even said oh, he can't hear me because we're remote. So I was saying do you think it's fake?
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, I think it's totally staged. Really, it looked like she had a Tesla.
Speaker 1:
She did have a Tesla.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, wasn't it a Tesla? She was putting it back into.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, what does that matter?
Speaker 3:
She has obviously has money.
Speaker 1:
It's all staged, bro you can be an Uber driver and rent a Tesla.
Speaker 3:
No, I know, I know, and so maybe that's what it's doing, but either way, why take it back? There's no reason to take it back. Yeah, just take the last and don't take the ride and take it for next time. Yeah, I don't understand, because my, my here's, my thought is so she has all of it. What is her take? So she thinks you can just take it back to the store and cancel it. How does that work?
Speaker 1:
Well, she I don't know. I guess she'll probably just put customer refused or customer wasn't home and then they bring it back to the store. It used to be back in the day Like I think if it's a smaller order they may let you take it, but that looked like a Costco order. There was a lot of Celsius in there and stuff like that. But you said it was totally fake. I, there were moments that I felt like it was fake because it went on for three and a half minutes. But I there were moments that I it felt real too.
Speaker 3:
Well, that's true, I, I think. I thought it was staged.
Speaker 1:
I didn't think it was staged the whole time, I don't know Did they just stage part of it. No, you're not getting a rim shot for that. There's no way. That's not even good. I guess my point is I don't if, if, if I know I get fooled on this stuff a lot, but what would be? Why would you want to stage it? What would be the point? What would be the internet clout you're trying to get?
Speaker 3:
I mean other than Well, it's the. It's the proving. You know, it's the. It's the whole tip debate. Why are we tipping? Are you tipping because it's part of the service or you tipping because they deserve it?
Speaker 1:
Right, I don't know what I said and you couldn't hear me and I was. I thought your screen was frozen because you were just like watching the video and you like literally weren't moving. And I'm like, why does she take the order in the first place if there was no tip? I mean, you see the tip up front.
Speaker 3:
And she saw it was a big order.
Speaker 1:
Big ass order. So Well, anyways, guys, thanks so much for joining us and watching and listening. This episode, if you're watching, comes out on all audio platforms on Monday morning at 6 am, so you can listen there. We appreciate it if you download the episode. That would be great. Also, if you would love to come on the show and talk gig work, if you're a gig creator or a worker, we're always looking people to interview. Reach out to us. I know I got a few emails out and haven't heard back, but definitely looking for somebody in November. If you want to do that, come on this show. You know we're laid back. I won't let. Yes, we're yelling at you.
Speaker 1:
I'll tell you, I'll mute. You got that one too much. But yeah, we'd love for you to come on and, as always, guys, don't put up with anyone's bullshit.
Speaker 3:
I will see you on the road, good night.
Speaker 1:
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