Ep #175 Biden is messing with gig workers. Guy delivers uber eats on a bike and are you aware that these apps track you?

Ever wondered how a simple decision to skip the New Year's Eve gig rush could shape your thoughts on the gig economy? That's what we tackle first-hand in our latest episode, as we muse over opting for a quieter delivery shift the day after and the implications of the new Biden administration labor rule on gig workers' status. Get ready to hear how this move might sweep everyone from janitors to truckers into employee roles, perhaps against their wishes.

Scooters, safety, and the infamous 'MAGA Karen' incident – they're all up for a lively discussion in our urban mobility debate. We ponder the wisdom of a city's post-10 PM scooter shutdown and toss around ideas for balancing safety and revenue. Then, strap in as we dissect a viral video of a rideshare confrontation, showcasing the finesse needed by drivers to maintain their cool during unexpected high-stress moments.

 We also chew over the effects of minimum wage hikes on gig workers, specifically looking at California's changing landscape leading to a rise in third-party delivery services. Lastly, we share a chuckle over a food delivery faux pas from TikTok, rate our favorite burger joints, and weigh the value proposition of fast food

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Speaker 1: 0:24

Hi guys welcome to the gig economy podcast. I already want to stab Jesper in the throat. It's 2024. He always likes to interrupt me. I hate him so much. Just kidding, hey, if you're on Instagram, we're streaming live on Instagram right now. It's a new thing and we have no one watching us. How do you even do that Through our fancy dancey, fancy chancy stream yard app?

Speaker 3: 0:52

Something, something so.

Speaker 1: 0:53

I know I don't post a lot on Instagram, but like, hey, what the fuck you know? One more place, Although we are not streaming on Twitter or, sorry, Twitch tonight you were the first one who dropped the F-bomb huh. Did I? Did I already drop it you?

Speaker 3: 1:05

just did it.

Speaker 1: 1:06

Jiminy cricket, I'm sorry, the 2024 F-bomb.

Speaker 3: 1:11

So it is good to be back. Thank you so much for letting us take a hopefully well-deserved break, and we hope that everybody had an awesome, awesome Christmas break. And at least while driving a little bit or doing some gig work, I can say I did not at all Do any digger.

Speaker 1: 1:31

Digger. I like the gig work. Yes, bruce Drunk already. 2024 first show. I did a little gig work. I did not go out and work on New Year's Eve. I just wasn't feeling it.

Speaker 3: 1:44

You know, and you've got to be in the mood if you're going to deal with drugs, you know that.

Speaker 1: 1:48

And so I decided to do food delivery the next day and I did OK. I did like $300 in like seven hours. Now, I didn't do seven hours straight, I did like four in the morning and like three at night or vice versa, I can't remember. So I did OK. I did some off and on gig work here and there, but I didn't do any rideshare while I was off.

Speaker 3: 2:06

This was the first time, I think in five or six years, I did not drive New Year's Eve.

Speaker 1: 2:12

Yeah, no, because you didn't drive during COVID. Everyone forgets about COVID.

Speaker 3: 2:18

Yes, yes, not including COVID.

Speaker 1: 2:20

Yeah no, no, everyone forgets about that. So you had, like you basically probably went four years and then off two years for COVID, then you drove maybe one or two years, one or two years, yeah, so you are correct. So, while I'm glad you had the opportunity to spend time with family, this is what you should do, yeah, so tell us about this website, this Fangledangle internet thing that you created.

Speaker 3: 2:42

Fangledangle internet thing, gigekonamipodcastcom or gigekonamishow. Well yeah, gigekonami-podcastcom, gigekonamishowcom, so you can go there and you can look at all the latest news and you can look and you can listen to the podcast.

Speaker 1: 3:01

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Speaker 3: 3:05

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Speaker 1: 3:06

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Speaker 3: 3:30

Just thank you. Thank you everybody, for your support. Of course it means a ton it does.

Speaker 1: 3:36

It's amazing when people want to spend their hard earned money on us stupid asses.

Speaker 3: 3:41

Yes. That actually means a lot and, as you all know, it is not free to run this show.

Speaker 1: 3:47

Hell, no, I mean just the beer budget alone is outrageous. So if you want to join to support us in the Bias Beer, go to patreoncom, search the GigEcon podcast or just go to patreoncom. Wait, no, Go to patreoncom, Slash the GigEcon podcast or just search the GigEcon podcast.

Speaker 3: 4:05

Sorry, first time back in a while so I'm not used to rattle the show off, and since you did that, I'll talk about the next one. Then, when you're done with that, you go to the app store and you download Telegram. And then, when you download and install Telegram on your phone, is that?

Speaker 1: 4:20

what you do, it's on your phone. Can we do it on actual phones that we used to use in the 70s? Can somehow?

Speaker 3: 4:27

we no, you can't do it on your phone.

Speaker 1: 4:30

There's no way to patch into Telegram I don't think, so OK, I don't think so.

Speaker 3: 4:35

They do have a desktop app on your computer, that's true. So they do have that, but no, you download the app on your phone, yeah, and then you go into the show notes here in this app and you click on the link and you join the group in the show notes and then you can be part of the talk Part of the family.

Speaker 1: 4:55

So yeah, in that group, while we talk gig work, we talk just life in general, all kinds of great stuff. So join the group, all right, gig economy in the news I'm going to try to do justice to this, but obviously in the news right now it's the new Biden-era rule. That's what they call it. It says a new labor department rule out this week aims to make it easier for millions of low-wage workers to get employee benefits and other protections. What I don't like about that because this bill isn't set up. It's set up to be an employee. Don't talk about protections. The only protections I want is protection from getting deactivated.

Speaker 1: 5:31

But this is going to affect gig workers, janitors, home care workers, construction workers and truckers all those people and honestly, nobody wants that. I don't think anybody wants that as a janitor, I don't think anybody wants that as a home care worker. I think they like to be independent contractors. I think it's important to stay that, because I don't want to be an employee. I don't want to have to deal with extra government bullshit and a boss and not be on the go-on when I want, and that's what it boils down to. So I really am not going to do this justice by just reading it, but you can find an article on our website at gigeconomyshowcom, but it's supposed to take effect on March 11. The rule is supposed to be published today actually it was published, so I'm sure there's some new content out on that but it's basically just making sure that these, as a worker, you have protections like sick time and vacation and stuff like that. But it's like what is it? 90% of gig workers are part-time anyways.

Speaker 3: 6:32

Right.

Speaker 1: 6:33

So they don't want any of that? I mean, of course I would have wanted. If they're going to give it to me for free, I'm not going to say no, right, but it comes with expectations, right.

Speaker 3: 6:41

Exactly, it comes with changes, it comes with changes.

Speaker 1: 6:43

Right, and you're going to be told when you can work and you're going to be able to sign on and be like sorry.

Speaker 3: 6:50

So let me ask you this I have not read the article, so does this mean that the traditional 1099 status is gone?

Speaker 1: 6:59

I think that's their overall goal is to get rid of that. But this has been a thing for forever. As far as I can remember, getting into the work world 1099 has been a thing. I think the gig platform has kind of exploded. That independent contractor but a truly independent contractor would be able to set your own prices, which we've talked about. We're not truly. We're like a hybrid, right. You know what I mean. Yes, we can work when we want. We don't really have anyone else telling us what to do. But if you're a drywall contractor, I'm going to come drywall your garage. My price is $2,000. Take it or leave it.

Speaker 3: 7:38

So I don't know if you read that or not. We're not going to talk about it today, but Uber is actually testing that in India.

Speaker 1: 7:45

You know I believe I did a TikTok on that. Oh, that's another thing I forgot to mention. I am trying to put more content and shorts on YouTube Shorts and TikTok. So join our TikTok. I did a TikTok about that. Yeah, that is interesting. You basically bid your own price.

Speaker 3: 8:03

Right.

Speaker 1: 8:03

And there's like a conversation back and forth.

Speaker 3: 8:05

The reasoning is that Uber's biggest competitor in India has that as their biggest. Oh, ok, the biggest thing is you can just choose your own price. Ok, well, that's interesting. That is very interesting.

Speaker 1: 8:19

And I think that in my TikTok I asked do you think that that would be able to work here? Would you like to see that? I guess, as a customer or even as a driver, would you be willing to negotiate? I don't know. The problem is like does it get to go back and forth or is it just like you get to choose one and then?

Speaker 3: 8:38

Why wouldn't it work, though? Because the only way they would work is if you would be able to favor drivers, and every night, when I'm out driving, I get quick question hey, can I have you again?

Speaker 1: 8:48

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 3: 8:49

Right, and so now? It's a completely different model than what Uber has today. Yeah, now you have regular customers, you can set your own price. Oh, and stuff.

Speaker 1: 8:59

Well then, you're legit an independent contractor.

Speaker 3: 9:02

Right, right, but Uber don't want any of that.

Speaker 1: 9:04

No, and they flirted with having the favorite out for a while, or they were testing it, but then it never came to fruition.

Speaker 3: 9:12

But I never understood why they didn't want that.

Speaker 1: 9:15

I think it's because and I know we've said this before on many episodes, because this has always been a topic is they just don't want any delay. They don't want you waiting for your favorite driver. They want you to fucking get a ride so they can just keep the rides going. They don't want anyone waiting.

Speaker 3: 9:32

But. But what's it to them if they want to wait?

Speaker 1: 9:35

That's true. If they're opting to wait, that's a good point. Right, it should be fine. If you're opting to wait, yeah, that's a good point. I don't know, they probably just. They could just see the future and having disgruntled people being fussy even though they favorited a driver and like I don't know. It's fucking stupid.

Speaker 3: 9:53

I think it's because their algorithm is hurting when they can't control where the drivers are at all times.

Speaker 1: 10:02

That's a good point, yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:03

And that's what they want. They want control.

Speaker 1: 10:05

Yeah, I mean, all those apps are manipulating to go like when you, when you end up getting a ride somewhere or whatever, this isn't yeah you, you did choose it. I will give you that. But that app manipulated you to like, well, we're gonna give this like.

Speaker 1: 10:18

I don't know how it does it, it must do it in microseconds, like the movement of all these cars and every once in a while, I'm sure you, you know pull the wool over their eyes with something that you've done as far as like getting a good ride because it fucked up somehow.

Speaker 3: 10:32

But we also don't know that we're actually getting a fair ride assigned to us. Well, yeah, yeah for sure. We don't know anything. We just know what Uber gives us. Yeah, right, yeah, and we assume that it's fair.

Speaker 1: 10:49

Yeah, anyways um, okay, moving on.

Speaker 3: 10:52

All those things to say that lots of changes in the economy.

Speaker 2: 10:58

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:58

One of which is that bird Wow Electric scooter company I was thinking about. Did we have that in Grand Abbots, or was that the other one?

Speaker 1: 11:13

No, we had spin and line.

Speaker 3: 11:15

It was spin I was thinking about yeah, sorry, so it's been, you know. So bird is another at the electric scooter companies, and they are now. They just announced chapter 11, which is bankruptcy, which is not the same as they've begun, correct. It is the restructure right, restructure, yeah, and which is basically just a way of saying yeah, I mean, it's kind of a fancy word of of staying alive, right.

Speaker 1: 11:46

We're out of money. We need to figure this shit out.

Speaker 3: 11:49

Exactly. We don't have to pay back our creditors, but we're gonna stay alive. It's kind of a weird way of doing it, but anyway, yes. So chapter 11 bankruptcy. At one point they were worth 2.5 billion dollars. 2021, they exited the New York Stock Exchange at Boyworth only 70 million dollars.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Wait, they exited Like they're off the stock. They're gone, yes, I didn't even know that was a thing I mean. Obviously, if the company goes like under, I can see them leaving, but so the founder?

Speaker 3: 12:23

he left them. So what's going on? So where is he here? So things didn't improve and the share price continued to plummet. Ceo Vendor Sanden departed in June, where the company eventually delisted from the New York Stock Exchange into the timber separately. Bird also announced around the layoffs Shortly after buying rival spin for 19 dollars for 19 million dollars 19 dollars.

Speaker 1: 12:49

I'm like fuck, we could have bought them.

Speaker 3: 12:52

So they bought spin and so then. So right now they're going through a chapter 11 and they're gonna hopefully emerge stronger than ever after getting a money from a company called Apollo Global Management.

Speaker 2: 13:10

Yeah, it doesn't matter, no one cares.

Speaker 1: 13:13

But the point of it is is like do we? There's spin, there's bird and there's lime, these areas like Grand Rapids, right, they trial both of them and they voted on lime. So you get a contract, like from the city. So I don't know if this is something that is going to be successful if you can't schmooze the city leaders. You know what I mean. It's not like you can just drop the scooters wherever you want.

Speaker 3: 13:41

No, no, no.

Speaker 1: 13:42

Which is interesting. I don't know why they? Well, because they have to work for the city, because they have to have, like, scooter parking. It has to be designated.

Speaker 3: 13:49

So obviously you have to work with the city Exactly, and there's no doubt that, like, for instance, grand Rapids, they definitely like lime.

Speaker 1: 13:56

Well, they voted. They had two in and they voted lime over. There was an article on it. No, no, I understand.

Speaker 3: 14:02

But I'm just saying they like it now because you see that they're all over the place, but they need to fix the lime because there's still a huge problem at night.

Speaker 1: 14:11

I don't know what you do, though there's nothing to fix.

Speaker 3: 14:14

No, they do. Because here's the thing I had this discussion with the passenger of mine one night. Okay, and he had there was another metro, I forget where it was, but it was a pretty big city. They turned them off at 10 o'clock. Oh, they just stopped working. Okay, well, that works. I think that's an excellent solution. Wow, I said why can't you do that?

Speaker 1: 14:36

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 14:37

I mean, I know they don't want to do it because they don't want to lose their revenue, but guess what? It's nothing but a trouble.

Speaker 1: 14:44

You should. You should shut it off at 10. Turn it back on at 201. Because most cars are off the road by then. And then at least the drunks aren't getting in their car, they're getting on the scooter. You know what I mean, Like the risk of crash? Yeah, they're still. They're more drunk, but at least there's less cars. But from like 10.

Speaker 3: 15:03

Turn them on at 301. At least wait until 301.

Speaker 1: 15:05

No because the drunks going to get in their car, they're not going to wait an hour, they're going to be like 201. They're like I need a scooter.

Speaker 3: 15:12

I don't want. I don't want a drunk bastard on a scooter in front of me, and that's the problem.

Speaker 1: 15:18

You know, somebody died in Grand Rapids from one of those. She was drunk too, I mean she wasn't like a really drunk because people tried to blame her Every weekend.

Speaker 3: 15:26

I saw issues with these people on stupid scooters Every weekend.

Speaker 1: 15:34

Just real quick Instagram comment. We have one Instagrammer I think it's Frank from the group, but I'll take it. He comments shift as a favorite shopper option. As a customer Shoppers see, I don't know if it's him or not, or her, I don't know. Is that a woman? I don't know. I'm not even going to get into the sexes, I don't want to get canceled.

Speaker 3: 15:52

I can't see the commenters.

Speaker 1: 15:53

Oh, so you can't see the Instagram one.

Speaker 1: 15:56

Instagram comments are actually on Instagram. It's a little clunky. Yes, it's him. Okay, good, I didn't want to get canceled. Shoppers see that a preferred member has placed an order and customers told if preferred shopper accept orders. Yeah, I did know that. But the problem with that, it's really shipped as like you can't do it now because there's so many preferred shoppers that you just never get decent orders. But anyways, sorry, frank, I know you have long hair. I just the icon that I'm looking at is so small I can't even tell who that is. So no offense, my friend.

Speaker 1: 16:29

Of course it's Frank, of course. Okay, so the next one is. So the title says MAGA Karen Attacks Rider, but we'll watch it. It's one minute long, and then we'll kind of talk about it.

Speaker 3: 16:46

So what does MAGA stand for again?

Speaker 1: 16:49

If you don't know what MAGA is me telling you. I don't know if that's going to make it any better, but it stands for Make America Great Again. If you don't know that, I'm sorry and I'm not going to get into the politics joke at all of it, but anyways, we're going to play this video. It's a little uncomfortable for the driver, obviously, and then we'll talk about it.

Speaker 3: 17:35

Hello, thank you, Hello please, Hello please, Hello please.

Speaker 2: 17:44

Thank you I got you America.

Speaker 1: 17:46

I will not let him go.

Speaker 3: 17:50

Look, you have a camera in your car. We're good, right, we're good. Nobody saw anything, not a big deal, you're right.

Speaker 2: 18:02

So you're going to take me home, right?

Speaker 1: 18:40

Oh, wow, so I what? So what do you think about that?

Speaker 3: 18:51

All kinds of anger. All kinds of anger. I just want to.

Speaker 1: 18:55

Yeah, you want a smacker.

Speaker 3: 18:57

No, yes, I want a smacker. I want a smacker, so bad.

Speaker 1: 19:01

Well, one thing, man. This always comes off as victim blaming and I don't want to say that, but I'm like the driver's, like she's fucking just clock her in the back of the head. He was a big guy too and he was like freaking out. Maybe he was worried he was going to get arrested, but, like if someone's choking me, I'm going to punch you as hard as I can to get you off me.

Speaker 3: 19:23

But here's the thing, though too he's also driving the car, and not everybody thinks clearly in those situations. So, it's hard, well, and it may not even have dawned on her that he was an old woman. I mean, that might not even have been in his mind.

Speaker 1: 19:41

Yeah, he, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 19:43

I mean it's hard, yeah, well, we like to think that we will clock her.

Speaker 1: 19:47

Honestly, it kind of looked like she had dementia the way she was acting. I don't know if it was a hundred percent intentional. I mean not to say that it's still it's no wrong, yeah, I've seen people with dementia and Alzheimer's and it's like they don't they freak out and don't know where they are and they just, they just do shit like that. I'm not giving an excuse.

Speaker 3: 20:12

last comment, though You're white, right, you'll take me home.

Speaker 1: 20:15

I think she said you're right. I don't know if she even said I mean, I'm trying not to defend her, I'm not, but I don't want it. I Don't want her to be completely thrown in the trash, but I mean she has to Either way, she has to pay for what she did. But I just feel like she had some sort of mental issue.

Speaker 3: 20:36

I hope I mean not that. I hope that she had mentally spirit. I hope that's all it was.

Speaker 1: 20:41

Yeah, I mean. I do too, but it's always just. Uncomfortable, and that I mean.

Speaker 3: 20:47

I've never had that very uncomfortable.

Speaker 1: 20:49

I know like, oh, I felt bad for like like I don't know. He just seemed to be freaking out like I mean, again, I've never been in that situation so I shouldn't judge him too much, but it's always a scary thing to happen and I've never had that happen and I hope it never does. But that's one reason why I just don't want to take passengers, because, like you, just put yourself at risk every single day you do when you do that so yeah thankfully we live in a relatively safe City, but I'm not saying it couldn't happen but it's also getting worse, though Kind of it's a little bit.

Speaker 1: 21:22

You know there's been a couple of murders in the last, like Month, and I'm like usually they slow down in the winter time, like maybe the snow will, it will stop it a little bit, like summer is usually a shit show everyone's out. You know what I mean, but like, yeah, it's, it's not been great. Don't move to Grand Rapids.

Speaker 3: 21:39

It's terrible, don't move to Grand Rapids.

Speaker 1: 21:43

It's really not no, it's not terrible but it's been.

Speaker 3: 21:46

I mean, I've had, like just even last year After I start driving. It's been a couple of situations. There was just a little bit where I was. I Never used to be uncomfortable, but there's been a couple of times where I was a little bit.

Speaker 1: 21:59

Yeah, yeah, the last time I was I think I picked up at the hospital, remember we talked about it that guy was like kind of arguing with the security guards. It was way too, and he specifically moved over behind me Like halfway through the ride I'm like well, here it is. This is where I get jacked. First time for everything. Smile, you're on camera. Anyways hey, driven dad. Thanks for showing up.

Speaker 1: 22:22

I don't know what's going on tonight. You're literally the only person that's common. It usually we have a few crazy, two people on this thing.

Speaker 3: 22:29

Yeah, I don't know. So this the next one here. This is kind of interesting. This is talking about, I Want to say it's it, is it a door? It's Uber Eats. It's a Uber Eats, yes, okay you know, right, that's weird though. Okay, why is it weird? Because it's Well so. It says to what is on a bike, I want to say it's a son foot.

Speaker 3: 22:55

I don't know but well it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a. It's a delivery order, it's a food delivery order and the driver, which I should say the delivery person. So the red says he's on a bike.

Speaker 1: 23:12

Well, there is no walking delivery like it's bike or car.

Speaker 3: 23:15

There's no, I understand but yeah Well, he could say he's on a car, but they're just walking it right. A hundred eighty one mile.

Speaker 1: 23:25

No, he said he was not why.

Speaker 3: 23:27

I think that's photoshopped 81, so he's three hours, three hours away, is that I?

Speaker 1: 23:34

Wonder how far this is. I was hoping to look at the mileage, but it doesn't show. No, I know, but it's gotta be that that part has to be a photoshop, it adobe or whatever. The opi adiope is walking that part has to be photoshopped.

Speaker 3: 23:48

I just like. I like to come on some of the comments, so all the comments of the gas for the trip. Dodo is walking. Ha ha. I Appreciate the house and one. Someone says there's no bus on that route.

Speaker 1: 24:00

Someone says they probably signed up as a walker, but they're driving, yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't take three and a half hours to get switched to work. Oh, oh, yeah, he did, yeah, okay so.

Speaker 3: 24:12

But then then somebody says uber weight loss edition.

Speaker 1: 24:17

Said okay, so here. Oh op says y'all because someone asked for an update, y'all. This was the most bizarre thing. It said the woman was walking and I take three hours a gear. I'm looking at my phone thinking I was being pranked. I chatted with uber and got generic answers about the food being on the way. After a while I asked for a refund. Then I checked my phone and now the food Deliver is in a car and almost At the house. Natural, I was confused but happy my food was close. More actively, I did get my food, however, is delivered to the wrong address.

Speaker 1: 24:44

My next-door neighbor's house had to walk over explain. I ordered food at 12 am and, oh man, this. This was at 2, 27 am. Yeah, they probably got an uber. They probably were walking and got an uber, but yeah, it's crazy. That is a long Um, too too much. Someone said laugh my ass off, bro, on a quest at this point, a Quest to deliver it. Yeah, the comments are the best thing in the world.

Speaker 3: 25:12

Oh wait, it's my favorite, uber weight loss.

Speaker 1: 25:16

That could be a new, a new setting, that would be great. So this Indian student I don't know why they. I don't understand why we as people Like, say, black person or Indian student. It fucking annoys me. Anyways, a student stranded as lift driver flees with 30k worth of luggage. Company CEO reacts Student was trying studying at Harvard, found herself stranded in Boston after a lift driver abruptly cancer to ride.

Speaker 1: 25:46

She was in the car and she asked the driver if she could go back and get her headphones. When she went inside, the driver decided to cancel the ride and drive off. Apparently she had $30,000 worth of like electronics, documents and stuff. Like that seems like a lot. But it says she's been actively seeking assistance from lift customer service but unfortunately cruiser driver details remain elusive, compounding the challenges. Equal importance providing necessary ride details. Blah, blah, blah to the Cambridge police, but I'm not sure she ever got it back. But that's the problem when when you're dealing with these like this is where you truly become independent, because you cancel the ride and fucking turn off the app unless you've like straight-up murder or Sexually assaulted somebody or something terrible.

Speaker 1: 26:36

It's tough to get prosecuted for that stuff.

Speaker 3: 26:38

Well, yeah, but but obviously the person can I mean it can report to lift and lift Can can now report to the police.

Speaker 1: 26:45

It's not like but then it becomes a civil matter though.

Speaker 3: 26:47

Well, yeah, yeah, of course but I'm.

Speaker 1: 26:49

but what I'm saying is this is where you don't have the back as from the company as a customer, they're gonna be like sorry, here's his name, you're gonna have to go to small claims court.

Speaker 3: 26:59

But would you have left? Would you have done it? Would you left if you had? If you know you had $30,000 worth of stuff in your car, with your left in the car, with the passenger, with the lift driver.

Speaker 1: 27:08

I think I would if I was just going like what's $30,000? I mean, maybe not, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 27:16

I mean it's 50-50 if it's two suitcase full of full of clothes. No, fuck that, I don't care right Well yeah, but if I have, if I have two big laptops or whatnot or whatever it's like. No, I don't think I would have but so you?

Speaker 1: 27:28

if you wanted to get your headphones, you would have pulled all your luggage out, brought it inside, got your headphones and then pulled it all back down and put it in the car or call somebody and got it for me. Okay, no one lives there.

Speaker 3: 27:40

It was a Cambridge.

Speaker 1: 27:41

Well, I'm just saying no, she doesn't have any friends.

Speaker 3: 27:44

She was again. She was a Cambridge, so she doesn't have.

Speaker 1: 27:47

I'm just saying hypothetically. She doesn't have any friends. She has no one living with her. She has you, would you would have left your luggage in the car, then fucking leave you leave your headphones at home.

Speaker 3: 27:57

Buying your headphones, you're 30,000. That's why.

Speaker 1: 28:00

I questioned the $30,000 of value. I mean her visa was in there, so yeah, after all that stuff that she's paid for, I wouldn't say it's valued at 30,000. Like you're not gonna sell that and make 30 grand.

Speaker 2: 28:14

No dramatic.

Speaker 1: 28:17

But um yeah, I guess my whole point that I wanted to talk about is the fact that there's no repercussion. Oh yeah, it's gonna be. Did you see that lady, that lady judge, get lunged at from that? Do have you seen on tic-tac or reels? Oh my gosh, it's so funny. Well, see the driven dad's on your side. Why would you leave 30 K in a stranger's car? But I don't think it was 30 K cash, I think it was like estimated as but even even if it was 10 I there's no way I would.

Speaker 1: 28:58

I don't know. I, as much as I don't trust people, if I wanted to grab my AirPods, I'd be like I'll be right back. You know what I mean? I'm not, I'm not gonna like pull my fucking luggage out, but my whole point, the whole point is not. This is not the point of the article that I wanted to discuss. I'm talking about the not having these companies support the customer or the driver when these kind of things happen.

Speaker 3: 29:23

Well, sure the.

Speaker 1: 29:24

the company deactivates the driver, he's deactivated, I'm sure right. But then they're like oops, sorry, good luck. File small claims court so what?

Speaker 3: 29:32

but again, what are they gonna do? There's no mechanism for you to to report what. What do you have in your, in your, in your suitcases?

Speaker 1: 29:40

Well, yeah, that's true too. It's like the insurance company. They actually say at one point I did take pictures of all this shit in here. They actually say take pictures of all your valuable stuff, or just take a video and then send it to a secure location.

Speaker 1: 29:53

And then if everything burns, you just send it to your insurance company, like you should do a video every year. Yeah, you should. You know, not that everything, I mean, it's a couple thousand dollars, but they're gonna be like oh yeah, right, you really had a podcast studio in there. I'm like fuck, yeah, I did exactly pay up bitch. I pay you every year. Never claim a thing. Candy bar she should have had an air tag.

Speaker 3: 30:19

I leave 30 in the car and Somebody had air tax and that that everything was recovered. Because the air tax, somebody stole something.

Speaker 1: 30:30

Air tags are not great, especially if they're not around other iPhones, which I mean only the cool people have iPhones, right? Yes, sir, yeah, exactly, you're not cool.

Speaker 3: 30:41

I don't fucking do.

Speaker 1: 30:42

Anyways, the point of the moral the story is, apparently, don't leave a candy bar and or $30,000 in the car you guys are. You guys don't trust anybody. Rmi inspections.

Speaker 3: 30:56

Trust. I am yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:57

I do too. If you need an inspection for your car, go to the link in the show notes or description of this video and you can get an inspection Pretty relatively quick. 10 15 minutes cost you $19. If you don't pass, you don't pay, and yeah, it's just a good way to not go to the big tire shop or the mechanic shops get nickel, dime, a lot of this stuff. I always put this caveat in there There'll be a piece of shit if your car's falling apart. You're not gonna fucking pass through this like it's not. It's not a cheap way to get past what needs to be fixed. Go get your shit fixed.

Speaker 3: 31:30

I'm just saying and you know it.

Speaker 1: 31:32

Yeah, but I'm just saying a lot of these places Do charge for it and it's like right, do I really need to get my three-year-old car inspected? Like let's do the basics my seatbel, my windshield, my lights, all the way it had to see belts and they have to work. Yeah, so go to the link in the description to set up an appointment with them. We can't thank them enough. They've been a sponsor for a couple months and I hope to continue using them six months now, right, I think.

Speaker 3: 32:01

So now three months, six months.

Speaker 1: 32:03

No, we podcast every week now. It used to be the with, the package used to be like three months, but the problem is we podcast every week now, so it goes, they burn through their ad a lot quicker Goes right hoopty rides calm. Hey, yes, we're go buy that right now. Don't let Steve buy it, so do you rides calm. Whoopty rides whoopty. You know what a hoopty is.

Speaker 1: 32:26

I don't, so like it's kind of a. It's kind of a. I would say in the black culture they really like soup up, like old cars and they would call it your hoopty, like it's not a piece of shit, it's. I don't know. Whoopty rides calm, right, am I saying that, steve? Hoopty is like a cool thing, like a cool car, like a cool car, I don't know. I mean white people do it too, but I see black people have the lifts and everything. You know where it bounces and stuff like that's.

Speaker 1: 32:51

like, that's my hoopty I don't know.

Speaker 3: 32:52

Speaking of them, I meant to talk to you about this earlier. It's kind of fun. I watched that Is it called like car masters? One of those shows on Netflix and this last season they took a Tesla and they threw a the through a gas engine into it, so they converted a Tesla into a gas car.

Speaker 1: 33:14

Was there? What did it have like? A smoke stack in the front of it.

Speaker 3: 33:18

Yep, yeah, I saw came, I was really.

Speaker 1: 33:21

I saw a picture that I swear to God. I thought that was a. I'm like, this ain't fucking real?

Speaker 3: 33:26

I don't. It's a real car is a sweet car.

Speaker 1: 33:29

Where did I see that? I mean, I am on so many damn sights. Oh no, it's a pile of shit card. All right, I was way wrong. What do we? What do they call those cool cars that? They're all like Pimped out? I don't know. Hooptie is a piece of shit.

Speaker 3: 33:46

Ah boy. But yeah, I know, that was it I.

Speaker 1: 33:50

Swear to guy. Saw that picture. I'm like this is AI? Created somebody just oh my god, because they had like a big smoke stack. It was like black smoke. I'm like those hill jacks. No, oh, the whip it's your whip, this is my whip. Hemp. Oh my god, all right. Moving on speaking of Tesla's, what a good segue.

Speaker 3: 34:10

I know right, it's kind of a professional so. So I was actually thinking when I put in this article. I know we talked about Tesla's in the past and Because obviously Uber has been now for a while adding Adding discounts to to Tesla owners, are you still getting? Are you still getting an edit for you? For you, tesla, I'm not testable. You are the dollar EV credit.

Speaker 1: 34:36

Yeah, I'm sure Tony does you, but it only goes up. You only get 4,000, which that's a lot of rides. If you're doing 4,000 rides a year, you're you're fucking killing it.

Speaker 3: 34:44

And then there's some, and this, this article is talking about that. Like Florida, for instance, is giving two dollars.

Speaker 3: 34:52

Oh really for Tesla drive. So fuck Florida. There's something. There's some states where you get more and that kind of stuff. So but what they're saying is that the Tesla has some problems with with With this whole model. So basically, another move to electrify rideshare fleet. Tesla seen the Uber to offer discounts of up to $3,000 on its car to cars to drivers. Tesla has been added as a part of the Uber's vehicle marketplace, where drivers can purchase new or used electric vehicles. The company will offer discount range from one thousand three thousand on model three and Model Y vehicles. This comes after her to hit the brakes on this acquisition of more Tesla vehicles Because of unexpected problems with the with the Uber partnership.

Speaker 1: 35:38

Yeah, cuz they're beating the fuck out of them.

Speaker 3: 35:40

It seems that it's. This is the phone. Seems that why Tesla's are popular with drivers? Tesla's high-tech and safety features can make them more costly to you know kidding, yeah, the spaceship, and you're giving it to.

Speaker 1: 35:52

You're giving it to freakin Uber drivers, right?

Speaker 3: 35:57

Meanwhile, Tesla launched another ride share service in Tampa Florida. They're cost riders just two dollars per person.

Speaker 1: 36:03

Yeah, we talked about that in the show.

Speaker 3: 36:05

So that's interesting. So, interesting enough, uber drivers Don't receive the discount until they've completed a hundred trips in that new e-waves through the Uber platform, and these trips must be completely before oh wait, so you have to buy the car.

Speaker 1: 36:20

You don't get the discount until after you drive a hundred trips, correct, shh? Who would even? Who would even buy a Tesla? Only a bitch would buy a Tesla.

Speaker 3: 36:30

I would like a turkey cuz.

Speaker 1: 36:32

You're a bitch, only bitches you drive.

Speaker 3: 36:34

Tesla's and electric vehicles.

Speaker 1: 36:39

He's gonna go three, two, one he's gonna come, he's gonna land on you.

Speaker 3: 36:43

Nonetheless, this is cool. E-waves make so much sense for Uber's Uber drivers. If they have easy access to charging, they can save hundreds of dollars and sometimes over a thousand dollars per month Just with gas.

Speaker 1: 36:54

I think the biggest problem with renting a In EV not just a Tesla, I mean test. Well, there's a caveat here. Renting an EV is charging Like a Tesla at least has a ton of stations and they're able to, and they quick charge like they the I mean 20 minutes, you're. I think it's zero to 80% in 20 minutes, which is fucking incredible that how quick that is.

Speaker 1: 37:18

Mine would take 90 minutes to do that, and I think that's the problem. And then people go home like I have an advantage to have a level 2 charger in my home so I don't have to use public charging. I can work all day in my car and then go home at night, but when you're renting it, you're not gonna install a right, a level 2 charger. If you're gonna rent it Although it wasn't, I mean, if you have the room in your box it wasn't terribly expensive.

Speaker 3: 37:42

But so how does that work with your panels? Because I'm asking I mean, I thought I talked about that for a cup Because you don't have a battery. So so you my solar panels.

Speaker 1: 37:53

Yes, it doesn't work.

Speaker 3: 37:54

Well, that's the thing, right, because you, you don't charge, you, you don't charge a battery.

Speaker 1: 37:58

You can then charge your car with so apparently the charger that I have, the company has a some sort of switch that I can put. Well, I can't do shit because I'm not electrician. But you can stall it on the your box somehow and as the power solar comes in it will take any excess and send it to the charger. But the thing is is like a that's really only gonna happen in the summer. Right, right B my car is not gonna be plugged in, I'm gonna be out working.

Speaker 3: 38:30

That's the thing. You know what I mean. So you really need, you need a battery.

Speaker 1: 38:34

Oh man, if you're, if you're talking I know you keep harping on the batteries. No, no, I'm just saying, like I when I would, it's just, it's just not cost effective right now. Yeah it just isn't. It's so expensive to buy batteries.

Speaker 3: 38:48

I see that. My point is they really need to put more energy into researching the battery. The battery, I Guess, research technology.

Speaker 1: 39:00

Yeah, that's why they need to put the end well, I honestly think people are, the companies are taking advantage. I think you can buy a Tesla wall, which is their battery version right, for like only eight grand, but then you still got to get somebody to install it, and that's you know what I mean. So you can vary, you can just go buy it, but like they wanted 13 or 14 grand per battery, I'm like fuck that. I'm not paying that much for that.

Speaker 3: 39:27

I, if I ever get Panels on my roof, I'll put a Tesla battery on. Yeah, because it's like that's why the prices are gonna come down for sure.

Speaker 1: 39:38

I always recommend to people if you're gonna get solar, do not listen to the company and get as much as you want, because they try to, because they're like, hey, you don't want to get too much because it pisses the electric company. Yeah, you said they have to buy law, have to do these all connects. Yeah, they might drag their feet on it, which they do because they don't want to but get as much solar as you want. If you Want a hundred and fifty percent, fucking get it. Just saying that. So, yep, ev needs infrastructure before. Building too many more makes no sense to build many vehicles before. Instructor. Yeah, I think we're gonna see a little bit of flop on the EV because they pushed them out and it's flooding the market and I think it's gonna slow. I mean, I know other cars are coming out with it, but like Honda did it right, like you know. I mean I love my car.

Speaker 1: 40:22

I think the Chevy bull is one of the most affordable EVs on the market and I and I think it's great. I mean, obviously they had some problems. Early on there were some fighters. They told you couldn't park in the garage. Not my year, but like early on. They had the bolt, had some issues, but I think I think it's it's gonna slow down before it ramps up. I think by the end of the decade you're gonna see a lot more. But a lot of these manufacturers like Chevy and and Ford are kind of backing off on the EV thing.

Speaker 3: 40:50

Yeah, I don't know. I bet I saw an article earlier about another car and it was one of the known manufacturer that comes out with a hydro and new car Water see, that's dumb. I don't know if it is, but I didn't read the articles.

Speaker 1: 41:05

I don't know well it's dumb because that's not where we're heading. We're heading to the EV part, so let's upgrade the, the the charger.

Speaker 3: 41:13

We should have one technology right, but but I don't know. I really want solar power, I really want, so I would get it.

Speaker 1: 41:22

I think it's worth it, I think. But just get more than you want. I'm, we're getting more, as much as you want. If you want to be completely dependent on your solar, just get it, don't worry about it. But I have had shitty months. Alaska because the winner. Of course it's a little bit slower, but oh, I looked at my bill so obviously I'm charging. And then the Christmas lights.

Speaker 1: 41:43

But, my bill was 250. I got $7 back from consumers energy For the month of December because it's just cloudy and they only give me 50 cents on the dollar. But anyways, all right. Moving on, enough EV talk. I mean, I always can. I'd love talking. I could do a whole podcast on EVs.

Speaker 3: 42:01

That's what we need to make a new podcast just about solar power solar power and electric vehicles.

Speaker 1: 42:05

There you go.

Speaker 3: 42:05

There you go.

Speaker 1: 42:06

So this is a post on a door-dash group. Are you aware that when you log into the door-dash app. They're recording all your activity. They know where you're located. I Mean, I don't know if this you never know when you see these posts, if they're like, if they're tongue-in-cheek, if they actually are serious, but like, yeah bro, they have to know where you are. I I wouldn't doubt if they know where we are even when we're off our app.

Speaker 1: 42:36

Oh, I'm so I mean they fucking know where we are all the time. And then it's like Pete, if you don't like that, then don't do door-dash or Instagram or Instagram. Sorry, door-dash or Instagram or anything like that.

Speaker 3: 42:48

They know where you are, yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:50

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 42:51

Just, I mean, if they don't, if you don't want, if you do not want them to know where you are. I don't have a phone. Yeah, don't have a phone in general.

Speaker 1: 42:58

I'm sure there's an able, there's a way to go into your phone and turn all that off, but like you can't use GPS, anything location based like if you're going to check in for, like, picking up groceries that you had, they have to know your location. They know that you're there like good luck. Good luck, just store your fucking phone away.

Speaker 3: 43:18

I know, get off the grid. Yeah, exactly so. So here is a story about and, funny enough, I think I guess it has to do a little bit with oh, hang on, I need to get rid of all these stupid ass.

Speaker 1: 43:34

Oh, you love it.

Speaker 3: 43:35

Love ads what I was trying to say is it kind of goes back a little bit to what we talked about being, you know, 1099 workers and all that stuff, because, as of April, the minimum weight is going to rise from 16 to 20 hours an hour in California and In regards to that, it's hot is going to lay off most of their Delivery drivers yeah, as many of 1200 delivery drivers in California Out, which will take place through the end of February, come as California's minimum wage is about to go up for dollars. Fast food workers in the state are set to get a paper, and this is interesting because this is in California, which means they already have what's the call?

Speaker 1: 44:29

up 22? But I don't. I I'm sure Steve can answer this. I'm not sure prop this has anything to do with prop tip 22. I think this is a general state minimum wage.

Speaker 3: 44:38

Well, yes, it is, but but that these jobs are gonna go to the delivery driver.

Speaker 1: 44:46

Yeah, because they, so they, yeah, they're gonna go to do.

Speaker 3: 44:48

We use drivers to the twos and they are now. They are still gonna have minimum weight right?

Speaker 1: 44:53

So yeah, but it's still gonna be less, because once you kick an employee out, it's let lost paperwork. Oh, I have to deal with all that shit. So that's why they're doing it.

Speaker 3: 45:02

Technically, it's easier for the companies.

Speaker 1: 45:05

I wouldn't do it Exactly, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's good for us, there's no benefit for the, for the, for the employees at all. Yeah, it does look like a Lot of the chains of plan to raise menu prices to offset the higher, higher wages. I mean you kind of have to like the money's gonna come from somewhere. I mean, yeah, they're just not gonna take a hit on it.

Speaker 3: 45:25

Absolutely so. Packpita LLC, operating as a bit outside in a worker adjustment and restraining notification Act, notice that the company made a pit Peter decision, business decision to eliminate first party delivery services and as a result of the elimination of all delivery driver positions, according to business, either notice was filed with the state's employment development department. So so basically, they won't have, only in turn they won't have any of their own delivery drivers, they'll all be using services.

Speaker 1: 45:57

So Steve said the the rule change Kills prop 22. So does that kill it in Seattle? Well, they didn't have in Seattle. But like didn't Seattle and Massachusetts pass something like prop?

Speaker 3: 46:09

20, something to AB 5. Yep, so prop prop 22 was ubers, we are fixing a B5, right? Oh, what it not do was but yes, so Tony stop whoop-de-doo.

Speaker 1: 46:22

No, tony said. Now pizza's gonna have to rehire them because Biden is a Communist. Oh my god, I was gonna comment on this article. This is crazy. I did not hear, I've not, did not know this, cuz you know I'm not in like wage law or anything. 15 states have laws in place that make the minimum wage equivalent to the federal minimum wage of 725 an hour. So there's 15 states that the minimum wage is 725 an hour and five states have no minimum wage laws, so they can pay you what well, they have to pay you at least 725, because that's the federal one.

Speaker 1: 46:56

Are you kidding me? There's 15 states out there that someone that may is make 725 an hour and how can the federal minimum wage be? I know it's been like that for, like they said, like 15 years or something like that. But that's the thing.

Speaker 3: 47:11

The federal government should just not have as much as many rules on the level, if they do.

Speaker 1: 47:17

They don't, well, the state can override it. I mean no, I know but it's still like yeah, the states that don't. Oh my God, Michigan. It's 1033 an hour For a minimum way. That's the statement.

Speaker 3: 47:31

Yeah, but even right now try to get people to work at that.

Speaker 1: 47:35

My daughter makes 1185 an hour at Culver's at 16.

Speaker 3: 47:41

Maxo makes 1375 an hour.

Speaker 1: 47:46

I know Frank says 725 in PA.

Speaker 3: 47:50

God damn it.

Speaker 1: 47:51

How did? That's crazy. I spend $5.20 a day on Monster, just thinking about how low that money is, but Steve's son makes $19 an hour. Damn Yup. Well, yeah, I'm, oh God, that's crazy. So what are you saying, tony? You think that if you go to that state, they don't have a job that pays 725? Or you're saying that they pay more? Or you're talking about the states that don't have state minimum wages, but anyways.

Speaker 3: 48:26

It's ridiculous.

Speaker 1: 48:27

Alright, so this TikTok video, I think it's fake or not fake. I should preface this. When I say fake, I mean it's someone created a Preface. Preface, someone created a video just for fun, like it's like a skit or whatever. There we go. A skit, alright, here we go. We're asking for wrong order back.

Speaker 2: 48:49

I gave you the wrong order, bro. This is your order right here. Bro, you ordered the checkers right.

Speaker 2: 48:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can just leave it on the porch, man. Thank you, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you, bro. I'm gonna need the other order back, though that's for another customer. I broke the seal on the order already. That's fine, as long as you ain't eating or nothing. It's cool, ain't that?

Speaker 2: 49:08

Like cross contaminants and stuff, Like I mean, I wouldn't want to eat it if somebody else got my fools, you know? Hey bro, quit playing me, okay, I'm gonna let the other customer know what happened, alright, and I'm gonna let him know about the cross contaminants and whatever, and he can make the decision if he wants his food or not. Hey man, I'm gonna keep it a buck with you. I ate the food already, bro. You gotta be more careful, bro. But you can just leave my food on the porch though, alright. Hey, yo you okay. Hey, hey you good, bro. You know that fool won yours, man. You know that shit won yours. You ordered checkers. That's tea's cake factory in there. Hey man, you don't want to left it there, bro. You opened up the container. It looked like it was a big buffer sitting in that motherfucker's I don't know what he's got to say.

Speaker 2: 49:49

I think he got this f***ed up for Zucca, dan. I think he got these f***ed up too. Hey, you got six sections to crop that shit up, exactly the way I gave it to you.

Speaker 1: 49:58

I ate all of your food.

Speaker 2: 50:00

What does?

Speaker 1: 50:00

he got in his hand, Bro, I think it's time for seconds. Then bitch. He's like me. I always get high Mickey Mouse voice when I get excited. Again, I think it was fake Because the ring audio was crystal clear. Obviously it wasn't bad. Yeah but anyways, it's still.

Speaker 3: 50:21

He was holding something.

Speaker 1: 50:23

He was going to f***ing hit that guy right in the head.

Speaker 3: 50:27

No, yeah, no, it was fake.

Speaker 1: 50:29

I was going to say what stories do you have like that from delivering food, but you only have done one order.

Speaker 3: 50:34

Yeah, no.

Speaker 1: 50:36

The only stories. I've never delivered the wrong food, but I did. I don't even know what, sorry Frank said you see two big buffered Bufords. I'm an idiot, I don't even know what big Bufords are.

Speaker 3: 50:52

It's a burger from Cheesecake.

Speaker 1: 50:53

Oh is it I don't know if I'm even eating that Checkers? Checkers make good burgers.

Speaker 3: 50:59

Do they?

Speaker 1: 51:01

This is a Michigan chain but, mr Burger, I give it a 5 out of 10, that burger, or did it ruin with it when we went out to lunch, mr Burger?

Speaker 3: 51:10

No, it's a good burger. It was a 5 out of 10. It's a good 5, yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:15

But did it ruin it? Because our pop was flat as hell, the power boss flat. Yeah, that was terrible. Anyways, it's the Checkers burger. I guess I need to try one of their burgers.

Speaker 3: 51:25

I mean that's probably a 7 or 8, a Buford.

Speaker 1: 51:28

Really, yeah, it's a good burger. Not better than.

Speaker 3: 51:33

And the fries are good. They have good spices on them.

Speaker 1: 51:35

Not better than 5 guys. I fucking love 5 guys. You don't say I need to buy their.

Speaker 3: 51:43

Not a sponsor yet.

Speaker 1: 51:46

If they're not publicly traded. If they are publicly traded, I need to buy some stock on Stash for that. Okay, real quick.

Speaker 1: 51:53

Last quick ad Octopus Tablet. If you are a gig worker, where the fuck is my thing? There it is. If you are a rideshare driver, not a gig worker, you definitely want to get this tablet. You can earn up to $100 a month. You do have to drive a lot to get that, but they also lots of times have giveaways for the drivers. I actually won $1,000. I'm getting a 1099 from them this year because I made over $600. But basically it's a tablet that has games, keeps your passengers interactive. Drunk people love it and they play ads on there, and so Octopus gives us a little bit of that revenue.

Speaker 3: 52:31

And now they have one tablet more than they had before.

Speaker 1: 52:33

They have one tablet more because we had to send his back because he hasn't driven in so long. So yeah, check it out. Five Guys, Five Guys. I like that. I read Frank's comment and I just I read it. I'm like Ron Burgundy, I was like Five Guys.

Speaker 3: 52:53

He said way cheaper than Five.

Speaker 1: 52:54

Guys and I said to myself I'm going to talk to him, I'm going to finish my ad and I'm like I'm going to talk to him literally Octopus Tablet, check it out, oh God, checkers out, checkers out, I mean check it out. Link is in the description. Frank, you're right. Yeah, five Guys is insanely expensive. It's insane. I don't know why. I think they pay their workers really well. I think they start at $15 an hour there, which ain't bad for a fast food drop job.

Speaker 3: 53:27

I had one beer.

Speaker 1: 53:30

I haven't talked this long in two weeks, my God.

Speaker 3: 53:33

Checkers is not bad, though I'll try it out next time.

Speaker 1: 53:36

I'm out and about. Here we go, Jesper.

Speaker 3: 53:40

We've talked about these a hundred times before. This is insane. This is a definite absolutely no freaking, no.

Speaker 1: 53:47

This is from Grinder Rapids too.

Speaker 3: 53:50

Would you do $108 for three hours each fucking way.

Speaker 1: 53:57

Yeah, so it's. Basically, it was already six and a half miles away at a 193 mile trip and then you got to drive back for $108. Do you remember when we would go to Kalamazoo and get 45? Right, it's fucking insane.

Speaker 3: 54:16

It's so gross. I'll be quick about it. But the very, very, very first time I had somebody who wanted me to drive them to, to Royale Oaks from Grand Rapids- which is Detroit. North of Detroit. It was fucking 1am in the morning, 1.30 in the morning right.

Speaker 1: 54:38

Yeah, I'm listening.

Speaker 3: 54:39

I picked them up, it was after a wedding and they were drunker than drunk and they wanted to go home. So here's the conversations they really wanted to go to Royale. He was going to pay me and they said $200 in cash right On top of the app. Yeah, and it was in Excel. So it's okay, let's do it. So we went on the highway and said, okay, it's fine, that's good. So we were just passing the car that's the car, that's exit and said how did you get here, sir, by car? Okay, where's the car right now At the hotel? Okay, what hotel are you at? What should we go there? Oh, I guess you can do that.

Speaker 1: 55:23

So you talked to Modem from going home.

Speaker 3: 55:28

Well, apparently it was fine, but he had forgotten he had a hotel room in town.

Speaker 1: 55:34

Oh I, what a. That's how drunk they were.

Speaker 3: 55:37

It was just him, oh, and he had a hotel room and everything.

Speaker 1: 55:41

What an idiot. I never heard that story before it was the first year I drove Jesus what an idiot, oh my God.

Speaker 1: 55:49

So Steve says you pull up until the passenger. It said you were making 250, then it changed to 105. Did they spend 250 or 105? If they say 250, cancel and take the payment. No, you pull up to him and say, yeah, I'd love to take you, but I'm going to need an extra $200 on top of that. And if they say no, then you just cancel. I know there's drivers in the Grand Rapids Market that accept all the long trip rides. Right, they wait for a long trip. They go up there, they try to negotiate. If they say no, they cancel and go back. I mean, are they sitting in that lot for six hours waiting for somebody to finally take them up on it? Like what a waste of time, Frank no, I did not make the $200.

Speaker 3: 56:29

I was going to get that when I got there. But yeah, but no, but the rider did to Chicago when I negotiated $200. He gave me that $200 when I picked them up. Yeah, I will not do.

Speaker 1: 56:41

It's upfront only. I mean money upfront. That's the only way and I have done a few of those, but I have not done a long trip negotiation in a year. I mean it was pre-COVID.

Speaker 3: 56:53

But that one was pretty good. Actually, that was the one where they gave it to me four times and it was XL and it was I think I ended up making $400 on it in cash. I mean $400 after the tourney gave me cash.

Speaker 1: 57:08

Yeah, yeah, yep, money upfront or nothing. It's not I mean again, it's like whatever, but it's like I mean you can get deactivated for that too. So if you're a new driver listening to this, just I mean you do, you're rolling the dice. That's why you should be on both platforms. But honestly, I haven't even accepted a long trip, right, because they're horseshit.

Speaker 2: 57:27

They're like I'm not even going to fuck with this, like I, anyways.

Speaker 3: 57:34

What was that?

Speaker 1: 57:35

We had a couple more, but we are over our time. We're out of time. Time, time, time time. No more beer for you. So thank you guys. So much for listening to the Gig Economy Podcast. Check out the show, obviously, at gigekonemyshowcom. Download the episodes. We really appreciate it and yeah, we'll see you next week. As always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit, and we'll see you on the road. Good night, good night, good night, good night, good night. Good night, good night.