Ep #178 NYC Uber is falling apart and drivers are getting random money from Lyft.

As the sun sets on one chapter, a new dawn beckons for our Gig Economy Podcast. With a heavy heart, Jesper reveals his personal decision to steer away from the mic, entrusting the legacy we've built to new voices. This episode is a tapestry of genuine emotion and insightful discussion, as we bid farewell and turn to the significant shifts rocking the gig worker's world, including the potential upheavals due to evolving government regulations and the ripple effects on ride-share drivers.

Navigating through the currents of change, we recount a tale of an Uber ride gone sideways, dissecting service expectations against the backdrop of the Uber Comfort promise. Our wheels keep turning as we plug into the conversation around electric vehicles, debating the practicality and implications for drivers and the environment. This journey of reflection and foresight isn't without its detours into human behavior under duress, illustrated by a troubling incident involving a Lyft driver and a DC Rabbi.

As the final mile approaches, we laugh, ponder, and navigate the complexities of Uber earnings and the feasibility of an 'Uber Walk' service with humorous realism. Weaving through the strands of our shared experiences.  It's been a ride filled with camaraderie and resilience, and as we pull to the side of the road, we look into the rearview mirror with gratitude and forward to the path ahead with anticipation.

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Speaker 1: 0:15

I Hit the button is doing it again. There we go. Fuck, this thing is glitchy. You better fix that, better edit, edit that effort out, oh geez. Hey guys welcome to the gig economy podcast episode 178. Thank you guys. So much Pete's, like Jason's yelling already, I know I hit the button. This happened last week to be I hit the button and it didn't do anything. It's like the stream deck had a delay or something.

Speaker 2: 0:58

So yeah, I'm already on you're good use to it, larry. Yeah, you should be used to it.

Speaker 1: 1:04

So yes, for working people find this amazing show, the, the news, the Everything links and shit like that gig economy show calm gig economy show calm.

Speaker 2: 1:17

Where you go sign up for the newsletter, which are they. Are we sending out newsletters again?

Speaker 1: 1:20

No, Um, maybe, maybe we'll see, just like I say every time. But you can get an email each time the show drops in your podcast. Yep, play for. I Hit the button and hello, mother podcasters. Thanks, tom, I don't know what that means, but yeah, you can get a notification and maybe we'll do newsletters. But everything there at gig economy show calm we're starting to post a lot of news. So, like anytime you're looking for news or you hear a story or whatever, it's probably on gig economy show calm right.

Speaker 2: 1:54

I think we have better ones than on.

Speaker 1: 1:57

I'm not gonna go with that. I'm gonna keep. I'm gonna keep Steve on my good side because he's my buddy.

Speaker 2: 2:07

So Thanks, thanks, walker appreciate the love.

Speaker 1: 2:11

Um, so I would love for you to oh, I want to mention sorry. I'm an idiot that's in our patreon members Larry from bowling green, samson from gun rapid, steve from Colorado, bud Dickman from North Carolina, omar from Detroit, delivery cats from Michigan, jamie from Tennessee, frank from Philly, nate from Florida, the sea man, john M from California, tom from Chicago and Jim from we don't know where Jim is from. Jim, if you're out there, I love you. Well, I don't love you. I don't know you. Maybe I don't where you're from.

Speaker 1: 2:42

Jim, where you from? How can people join the patreon?

Speaker 2: 2:47

They can go to patreoncom for us less gig, econ Podcasts, good job. And then they can sign up for the five of the $10 here. Yep the ten dollar tier gets you a.

Speaker 1: 3:03

Bunch of perks. Gets you pre-show banner. It gets you ad-free of the show because we have ads on the show and yeah you don't.

Speaker 1: 3:10

If you don't want to listen to ads, join that and then we do a try to do a recording a month. We did not do one in January, but we will try to get back on that. But yeah, and the $5 tier to get you to the pre show banner, that's all you get and that the $10 tier, after three months, which I own, john Michaelian, a t shirt. You get a t shirt of our show.

Speaker 2: 3:32

So get a t shirt.

Speaker 1: 3:34

Yeah, I love this Walker comment. Like I love new people, he says hello from the DoorDash drivers or Michigan group. Love seeing these podcasts. Keep it up. That's amazing.

Speaker 2: 3:42

So we have been around for how many years?

Speaker 1: 3:47

Our first episode was December of 2017. That was the first episode I did by myself, and then it's been pretty consistent, other than a few breaks here and there for holidays. But yeah, that's crazy, that's a lot of fucking crazy.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Last, before we jump in in the news, the Telegram group joined that. I think we had somebody join in. Our good friend, chris Posumas, welcomed him, but he didn't respond back. So that is a group where you can connect with our gig workers around the country, around the world, actually just talk. It's like a water cooler for the office, but it's for gig work it's a fun community.

Speaker 2: 4:27

Go to the app store, download Telegram, sign up for it and then, when you're done with that, go into the link in the description on the show and join the group.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Join the group, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:40

Before we go into the news, I have something to share. Guys, this is going to be my last show. Yeah, this is it. For me, it's been kind of on my what. Yeah, no, it's true it's been. It's been something that's going on for a long time Anybody who's been kind of following along. I had the opportunity to buy my company back in July of last year, and I have not driven much at all since, been out a couple of times, but my focus has really changed and switched, and so I must say that I'm just not at this point in my life, my focus is not gig, and so I hate that I'm having to do this, but right now, my focus has to be on my day job. Yeah, jason, don't cry, cover the camera.

Speaker 1: 5:42

Cover the camera.

Speaker 2: 5:45

Right now my focus has to be on my day job and growing that and kind of make that. Take time to the next step, which I mean Jason and I have had some pretty long discussions. It's not like this. Is that much work? It's not. I mean, it's really not A lot of these things run by themselves, but it's just as much that I don't get to be out and be a part of it anymore, and so I don't feel like I can call myself an expert, if you will, when I'm not out there experiencing and being part of it. So it's those parts as well. So right now, at this point in my life, I'm kind of stepping out, stepping away, and am I going to come back? I don't know, probably not, probably not.

Speaker 1: 6:27

No, I don't want to lead anyone on no. No, that's true.

Speaker 2: 6:29

Probably not.

Speaker 1: 6:32

I mean, of course you know he would always be welcome back in some sort of capacity, you know. But yeah, I don't want to lead people on. No, you know, and I'm okay with it. I mean, I know it's been. It's been a long time coming. I'm not saying you were like slacking, but like no, and we talked about how you could still stay engaged with without doing gig work. But then I think it's a good decision to stop, because you got to kind of be out there at least a little bit. And if you just don't, I mean it's okay. If you don't want to, it's not like you don't have the time. You've just decided you need to put your time and other things in your life, not just the business, it's, you know, family, it's relationships outside of that, those kind of things. There's lots of things going into it.

Speaker 2: 7:19

There is, yeah, and the decision has been made that. So, at the same time as we bought the business, my wife is come full blown. She's she's my partner in the family, she's my partner in the business as well, and so it's become our decision that we want to put all our cards in that basket right now. Yeah and so. So that's what we're doing. We are, we're kind of putting all our efforts into that one right now. We want to try and grow it to something that can can become our retirement.

Speaker 1: 7:54

Yeah, so that's what we're doing. It's totally. I totally am okay with it. It's just been, man, we've done a lot of shit together we have done a lot of shit together, absolutely. I mean I'm, I'm. I'm so glad that you, you stuck with it and I can't believe it's been six years, right?

Speaker 2: 8:12

Yeah, I mean You're just saying six years. Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1: 8:16

Yeah, the show has evolved quite a bit. I mean, when we first started out was me and Ben, and then Ben somehow convinced you to come on the show and then it was us three for a while. Then it was some other guy, then it was who was after that, then it was Samantha for a while, but then then it was Pete, who's in the chat right now, and then Pete was done and then I think it was just you and I right after that like Sam was done then Pete was done and then I think it was just you and me.

Speaker 1: 8:45

We had yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 8:46

For us?

Speaker 1: 8:46

Yeah, probably for the last two years.

Speaker 2: 8:48

So yeah Well, Pete, you know how to get a hold of me. Man, I'm very open to have beers.

Speaker 1: 8:54

He's looking for anyone. That's a 1099.

Speaker 2: 8:57

That's the route they're going now, Right now at least while we're building trust, we need 1099. Yeah, I mean, we have one full time employer. I don't want to get into that.

Speaker 1: 9:06

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 9:07

But we need people.

Speaker 1: 9:08

Right.

Speaker 2: 9:09

But yes, yeah, so. So that's what we're going on right now and obviously we'll continue to be supporting the. I mean, I'll still be supporting at some point in the background.

Speaker 1: 9:21

So, but we'll figure that out. Honestly, I think, um, yes, we should just join the Patreon at this point. You know, spend your $10 on this even though you're not going to listen to anything. So, moving forward, I have asked Larry. Lifting with Larry, Everyone knows, Larry, If you're part of the community. Larry is Ben a Patreon member for so long I think. I was in there the other day and he's been like he spent $600 on Patreon for the life that he's been in there. So, like he goes way back, he's been to every picnic. He has been a podcaster in the past, he's guest hosted on the show and I think it's a good fit. And I asked him and he was super stoked to do it. So I don't think I could do this show solo. I just I think I could do it, but it wouldn't be the same.

Speaker 2: 10:11

No, no, no, no. It requires that back and forth.

Speaker 1: 10:14

Yeah, that back and forth. So Larry is not going to move to Granville.

Speaker 2: 10:20

I thought that was what he was saying. No, no.

Speaker 1: 10:23

I mean, if we want to try to run that through the business to get him a house up here, he's not going to sleep in my basement, that's just weird, but moving costs Not yet. So I'm excited to have Larry. I mean, we plan on having him next week, right away. We're not going to skip a show or anything like that, and I'm sure you'll see some changes. I mean, it's a good time to refresh some things. I have some ideas batting around in my head. I don't know what?

Speaker 2: 10:51

Next week it'll be the Larry and Jason show, and, yes, we'll be gone, gone, gone It'll be like yep, yes, but who yeah?

Speaker 1: 11:00

Scrub that fucker from the internet.

Speaker 2: 11:02

Let's go.

Speaker 1: 11:03

Isn't there a service for that? So yeah, there's no hard feelings at all. Obviously, we've talked about it, we've known about it for a while, but yeah. I'm happy for you. Him and I have already committed to a once a month beer date, so we're gonna, If anybody wants an invitation to the once a month beer date let me know I mean you're not going to get invited all the time, but you know. Yeah, fuck, yeah, let's get more of the merrier, for sure, absolutely. So. Anything else you think you're good?

Speaker 2: 11:34

I think that's it. That's it. I'm going to wipe my tears here. Come on.

Speaker 1: 11:37

Do you need a tissue?

Speaker 2: 11:38

No, I'm good, All right.

Speaker 1: 11:40

All right. So this is going to be kind of a I don't know. There wasn't shit for news and I know, Steve talks about all the crap going on. I can't even follow it so we're not even gonna. I don't even think we have anything in here about like the rules, the whatever's changing. I'm just like I'm just going to go do gig work and talk about funny shit. That's what we do.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Go on Talk about funny shit. So the first thing up here which I didn't even understand, this one, I just posted it, so you do it.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Yeah, so basically what this is is this is what we've talked about with these, the government changing even we are going to talk about the rules. You can't go on whenever you want. That's what's happening. So they've made that minimum wage and stuff like that. There's only a certain amount of drivers they're allowing on the platform.

Speaker 1: 12:25

Even in head, yeah, so he's got to go out somewhere else. So this is what's going to happen. That's why I didn't want you know the benefits and all that other stuff, because he can't go online, he's got to find somewhere else. So that is one reason that I always complain from the beginning. Even for now, I don't think it's happened in California, but I think it's slowly going to happen in some of these markets that they're going to limit you. It's not a, the demand isn't high enough here.

Speaker 2: 12:52

Yeah, it's almost like DoorDash, you know.

Speaker 1: 12:53

DoorDash has always done that, though, but Uber. You could always turn the Uber app on.

Speaker 2: 12:57

Oh, I know.

Speaker 1: 12:58

So I don't think we'll ever see it here, but like these, this one, the government gets involved and stuff like that, yeah. So, gary, we have said this would happen long ago.

Speaker 2: 13:06

I know we've been talking about this for at least two years, so but that's the only way they control it, though If they want to have a minimum, minimum you know rate on all that stuff, they have to control how many drivers are online.

Speaker 1: 13:20

Yeah, they can't have 200,000 drivers on their head.

Speaker 2: 13:24

You can't have it both ways, yeah. Totally, you can't have it both ways.

Speaker 1: 13:28

I hope it doesn't happen in here. I mean, well, I don't know what's going to happen in California, but Seattle's kind of.

Speaker 2: 13:33

Can I just put this in what I don't care?

Speaker 1: 13:36

Now, we can't have that attitude. No, I'm kidding, you got to put in one last show.

Speaker 2: 13:40

I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1: 13:45

Oh, hey, jim. Jim from Connecticut. Hey, he's probably going to quit now You're the star of the show. No, he's going to stay on. I like his username, Jimmethy.

Speaker 2: 13:57

Jimmethy.

Speaker 1: 13:58

Hey man, Thanks so much for chiming in. I don't think we've ever had a Well, I'm sure we've had listeners in Connecticut, but not anyone that we've connected with so Awesome. Thank you, jimmethy. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, all right, jesper.

Speaker 2: 14:13

Sorry I just jumped.

Speaker 1: 14:14

I didn't even transition, did I? I was like let's go idiot.

Speaker 2: 14:19

So this one here is the story is about a Uber driver who oh yeah, this story is so crazy dumb.

Speaker 1: 15:03

I did watch the video. I wasn't going to pull it, but there's nothing spectacular. She just complains.

Speaker 2: 15:07

I didn't even watch the video. I did, but I read the story. So woman says Uber driver took her back home after she asked for music to be turned down. And we I mean again, we've seen this type of story many times before. So basically she gets picked up I'm assuming it's in the morning, she has to get dropped off at the airport and she gets in the car and apparently it's like blazingly loud in the car. She has the driver to turn down the music, yeah, and he turns it down one knot, right, yeah, and then she's like still too loud. So she says can you turn it down again? And he just goes, I'm just going to drive you back home, oh wow, okay.

Speaker 2: 15:47

And to it she goes, okay, and she goes, and then. So now she has to tell him again where she lives. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:55

Well, yeah, because he's got to turn around. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:58

Because he's not, he just doesn't want to like deal with her negative attitude or whatever. Yeah, and so he ended up taking her back home because she tells him the edit she misses her flight, yeah, and all these BS things, even though she ordered a. She ordered a quiet mode ride, which, yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:16

Yeah, I noticed that she ordered a comfort you have, you get temperature and and so apparently, he didn't even give a shit about any of that Right, and he just skipped whatever he did, whatever he wanted to do, and so she lost her ride and everything, and so again, it's really just a normal story. We've heard it many times before. Just, if you want to do comfort, just follow the rules.

Speaker 1: 16:38

Well, even just don't be a Like, even without comfort, don't be a dick Right. Why are we? Why are we doing this? I can understand not changing the channel, but I can understand turning it down to almost nothing, like I mean, you're in the car for 10 minutes, like I don't. If you don't want to hear the music, fine, I'll turn it off.

Speaker 2: 16:56

But here's the thing though You're agreeing to drive comfort.

Speaker 1: 17:00

Well, yeah, if it's a comfort, that's different. I'm just saying in a regular act.

Speaker 2: 17:04

But it must have been because she says she ordered quiet. Not everybody knows the term comfort, so I'm sure for the article they changed it to quiet, right.

Speaker 1: 17:14

Oh, got you.

Speaker 2: 17:15

Right, because otherwise you know understand it. So he obviously she ordered comfort quiet. There's no doubt that's what she did and he agreed to offer up a comfort ride.

Speaker 1: 17:28

He needs to follow the rules and the story I mean it's not really a rule per se Is it. I mean, are you required to do what?

Speaker 2: 17:35

Absolutely, you are, yeah, otherwise she should give him less stars and report it.

Speaker 1: 17:40

Well, at least he didn't drop her off at the curb and he brought her back home. I was fully. If you're that much of a dick you would think you would be like all right, get out of the car then.

Speaker 2: 17:49

Well, so she goes and she says she felt unsafe, which is why she followed him and said let him take him home and that kind of stuff. There's no way I would have given him my address again. I was like no, I'm not gonna take him home?

Speaker 1: 18:02

Yeah, I think I would have been like, unless it was on the highway.

Speaker 2: 18:05

You're just gonna take me to the airport, buddy right now yeah. I mean, this whole thing is just weird.

Speaker 1: 18:12

I often wonder if we're ever gonna get to a point where they just, like we've always talked about, like the ghetto Uber, like the junkie cars or whatever, just get me from A to B. I wish there was more like. I understand, I'm a comfort in yours as a comfort too, but I think it needs to be a next level than that. Like it's like UberX and comfort in our area, that's it. You know what I mean. I just feel like I feel like my car should be more than comfort, like the pay is not that much more. I guess what I'm trying to say is I wish the pay difference was a little bit bigger, because it's a nicer car.

Speaker 1: 18:46

It's a brand new car. You have a payment, a giant payment, on it. You know those kind of things. So it's like and you don't really get paid what? Maybe 10% more, maybe 15%.

Speaker 2: 18:57

So we have a story later talking about I think they call them Green Uber.

Speaker 1: 19:01

Yeah, that's my story next.

Speaker 2: 19:03

And so we don't have those in our market, so obviously. But I think your car could be that, because it's a Neve, so that's what that's what that term is, and so I think it just means that they must be determining that some markets can only have these types of cars, these types of rides.

Speaker 1: 19:20

Well, I don't understand why. Why can't they have Uber Black everywhere?

Speaker 2: 19:23

No, I understand, I agree, I agree, why not? But?

Speaker 1: 19:27

again and this is my ignorance with like coding and all that, I'm like do we have to do something special in Grand Rapids?

Speaker 1: 19:34

Can't we just put Uber Black on the platform and Well, it must be Uber that's determining that Uber Black isn't going to the demand is probably not there, because we're Dutch hollanders over here, no one wants to pay it, although I feel like the last Friday I drove. Last week Friday I did 10 rides. I think eight of them were comfort. I don't know if no comfort was out, but I was not filtering X out, but I was just like comfort. I'm like all right, let's go.

Speaker 2: 20:00

When I drove a lot, comfort was the new middle of the road. Yeah, there was like people didn't want to pay for Excel, but they would pay the little extra for the comfort.

Speaker 1: 20:14

I speak speaking of that. It triggered a story. I didn't have any stories from Drive-Aid. I go to get an airport ride that night. Now, mind you, it's a comfort ride, right, and it was good. It was from the airport to downtown, it was $25. I don't know why. Like, remember that's what a comfort is.

Speaker 2: 20:29

Yeah, I don't know that still steams a little high. Is that normal price for that?

Speaker 1: 20:34

Okay, but anyways, he's like he messes me. He's like, yeah, do you have enough room for a ski bag Like the long ski? I'm like I wrote nope and he canceled. I'm like I should have said order an Excel. My car is a comfort, but it's not an Excel. There's a lot of cars out there that are comfort, that aren't Excel. Oh yeah, yeah, I cannot fit. I don't. No, I don't even think the back would close. It's just, it's a smaller car, but I'm like you dumbass.

Speaker 2: 21:03

I'll let you scratch up my roof. Have that?

Speaker 1: 21:05

Yeah, I don't even have a roof rack. No, he ain't putting that shit on there. I mean, if it was the old pilot I'm like, yeah, we'll figure it out you know what I mean, but I'm trying to keep this thing somewhat clean before it gets destroyed. Gary says my SUV is comfort and Excel, but really it should not be an. Excel. What is it? Is it a Buick? I bet it's a Buick. Those Buicks are small Excel's.

Speaker 2: 21:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:30

No, I don't think it's a Buick, but anyways, all right. So Uber green, we're jumping in this. I looked over this. I'm like what the fuck is the advantage for the customer? Is it cheaper? An outlander? Is that Nissan? I don't know. Did you put the picture?

Speaker 2: 21:45

up.

Speaker 1: 21:46

Oh, is there a picture? I don't think there's a picture. Is there?

Speaker 2: 21:49

There was only a picture.

Speaker 1: 21:51

Oh, sorry, I'm a dumbass. Well, I don't know why we I didn't understand this picture. Did I share this picture?

Speaker 2: 21:57

It was in the group, so it's a ride, but it's 180 miles, right. So again, I put it in there because again it's another one of the long rides, but for some reason it's a long trip, but it's an Uber green, and so it was just another one of those things. Why are we I mean A, so we have all these many designations that we don't have in all the markets at all, and I don't understand. Again, I looked up what Uber green was.

Speaker 1: 22:25

I know I'm on the page.

Speaker 2: 22:26

There's. So it's an EV designation of Uber's vehicles. You can choose in some markets you could choose to just get if you wanna have electric vehicles, apparently, if you want to have a lesser footprint or whatever.

Speaker 1: 22:39

Yeah, so there's really no advantage for the rider. They're not like getting a discount or anything right.

Speaker 2: 22:46

Well, I know, but I would assume that they cost a little more.

Speaker 1: 22:50

Oh well, yeah, they gotta cover the big old dollar they're giving me for driving it. Yeah, but why isn't there? See, that's another thing too Like why isn't there an Uber green here? There's literally no reason why it shouldn't be there, so I don't understand it.

Speaker 2: 23:05

But still same thing, though, that would you take this ride.

Speaker 1: 23:09

Hold on, I gotta get this. Oh, I need to look at it. Well, no, I wouldn't take that ride. I mean, it's not.

Speaker 2: 23:14

It's $150, but it's seven hours.

Speaker 1: 23:17

Oh God, no yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:18

Because it's a three hours back and forth. Yeah, no, what would this spend?

Speaker 1: 23:22

back in the day, like before up front pricing. You think that would have been a $250? It would have been at least a dollar and a quarter a mile, if not a dollar and a half.

Speaker 2: 23:32

I don't know.

Speaker 1: 23:33

Yeah, that's horseshit.

Speaker 2: 23:35

But I mean, this is one of those rides you call ahead and you say I need an extra $200,000 in cash.

Speaker 1: 23:41

Yeah, yeah, I don't understand. It's probably just a PR stunt for Uber, for the Uber Green to try to be more, and they do talk about in the article that says, like helping drivers go electric. Drivers are leading the way toward a greener future and Uber is committed to supporting them. Our green future program is provide access to resources value at 800 million to help hundreds and thousands of drivers transition to battery EVs by 2025.

Speaker 2: 24:07

So Jen is saying that it's a disadvantage to do it like her because obviously she's from New Zealand. So they use petrol. Petrol is being offered after green rides, so they are offering green rides first and then petrol rides.

Speaker 1: 24:25

I didn't know that. How does she know that, though I don't know, like, how do you know that you're not getting offered the ride? I'd be curious. How does she know that? Yeah, it just doesn't see.

Speaker 2: 24:38

So she says that Uber Green has been there for over 10 months.

Speaker 1: 24:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:42

So is that, maybe that maybe there's only something that's actually been in New Zealand?

Speaker 1: 24:49

No, it's here in the States. I mean I'm sure it's in the big cities, but I guess I don't see the advantage other than like you being like socially conscious or whatever the word is Interesting. Yeah, I know you. I mean, I like that they're giving me an extra dollar. I mean it does add up, I mean, but it's just, I wish that, you know. Going back to the comfort thing, I just wish there was more different. Like, honestly, if an X-Ride could be as good as a comfort, depending on the location, to me, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 25:24

It's not like I would always take a comfort regardless. There have been some they try to send me like so far away for those comforts because, I don't know, maybe that day I was the only one on. But I just wish there was more like. I think I wish it was like 30% more pay on the comfort, but anyways have you done any gas calculations yet on how much you've saved?

Speaker 1: 25:48

No, god, no, I should, though I should take. I should take the mileage I did last year and do it with the gas. You know, I got the car in July. I'd probably use the same amount and just see how much. I mean it's got to be thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. I mean I was getting 17 miles to the gallon. I mean I fill that thing up every other day and it will cost me 50 bucks to fill up, I think. I think I spent $50 the month of January on electricity for that thing for the whole month and that fucking SUV cost me $50 per time to fill it up. I know it's an insane amount of money.

Speaker 2: 26:30

And there was even so. So, even even because of the snow or whatever, you still you still produced your, you know.

Speaker 1: 26:36

Oh, that didn't do. That didn't do fucking shit. That has nothing to do with that, does not come into the equation. I'm just saying gas versus electricity. Yeah, my payments 500 and fucking $75 a month. That's because the interest rate is insane.

Speaker 1: 26:50

No, no, I know, but you're still I mean but you can't bring the solar into that, it has nothing to do with it. That's not really saving that, that's just an advantage to have it. But, like in the wintertime, like I'm not producing anything. It's been a rough, cloudy winter so far. But I mean, I guess, to put it in perspective, $50 for the entire month or $50 every other day. If I was gigging now it would have been I should say it would have been more than $50 a month if I was gigging in hardcore.

Speaker 1: 27:24

It's still a still a no brainer to me. I don't know why people don't do EVs. They're like oh, they're going away, they're not making. I know, I listen to some podcast. I listened to some fighter podcasts and they're super right winged. You know what I? Mean which is totally fine, but they're like yeah, fuck those EVs, ford, stop making them, stop making them. And I'm just like yeah, okay, they're not going away. They may slow down a little bit. That one killed you.

Speaker 2: 27:51

I'm serious, they're going away.

Speaker 1: 27:53

If you listen to some of these podcasts, they're just like they're going away.

Speaker 2: 27:56

EVs are not going anywhere, I know. I mean, I'm sorry to say guys, but gas cars are going to go away. Yeah, I mean yeah, they might take 50 years, but they'll be gone.

Speaker 1: 28:07

I mean, didn't the president Biden say by 2030 he wanted like half the cars to be electric?

Speaker 2: 28:15

That's nice for him to want that this is not going to happen.

Speaker 1: 28:17

It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen.

Speaker 2: 28:20

I mean I think it's going to take enough. It's going to take 10, 15, 20 years.

Speaker 1: 28:25

I wish they would just. I mean in all honesty, I wish they would just push the hybrids. I think a hybrid is a great, or the electric for 50 miles than the hybrid. Why are they pushing just EVs? Ev worked for me because it just, it just did.

Speaker 2: 28:39

But the problem is the hybrid still has all the problem with the battery.

Speaker 1: 28:44

Well, no, what do you mean?

Speaker 2: 28:47

You still have to put a battery in a hybrid.

Speaker 1: 28:48

Well, no, I think. I think the advantage of an EV is like. I literally looked at my maintenance the other day it's four items for the entire life of the car and ones at 100,000 and ones at like seven years.

Speaker 2: 29:00

Right.

Speaker 1: 29:01

That's, that's the maintenance on it. There's literally no other maintenance. I think that's the advantage of EV. With a hybrid, you still have gas, you still have oil changes, still have transmission fluid changes, you still have all that. But I think, I think in the long run, I I I definitely think that a hybrid is a bit. I know he's trying to get political.

Speaker 2: 29:19

We're not getting political, steve. We're not getting political.

Speaker 1: 29:22

The funny part. No, I'm not going to say it, I'm going to say that off there with I'll yell at him about it. But, um, but I just think a hybrid is better for a family, that you still use gas but you save a lot on gas. And if you do the electric, I mean how many think about you? You have a gas van, how many miles a week do you put on that thing?

Speaker 2: 29:45

Right now I just almost spit.

Speaker 1: 29:48

But that's what I'm saying. I should have drank. And then but that's what I'm saying If you had the electric for 50 miles, you'd never use gas. You'd never, you'd have to probably put some stabilizer in your tank because it would sit in there so long, right? That's why I think it's a good fit for people that don't do long trips or travel a lot, like a mom bumming around town picking up kids running errands and then she gets home and plugs it in for 50 miles.

Speaker 2: 30:10

So no, absolutely yeah, no, it's a fine fit, and yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:15

I need it. I'm going to come do an EV show with me, because every fucking show the last three months we talk of I'm sure our next vehicle is going to be an EV. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:25

But I mean, the cars we have right now are both new right, so we just releasing one with one, so it'll be 10 years before we buy another one.

Speaker 1: 30:33

Yeah, unfortunately the EVs aren't cheap. The Chevy Bolt was the cheapest. I mean that was cheap. I mean I looked Honda's coming out with one this year. It starts at $47,000. Like that's not affordable, that's not cheap. No no, I would definitely buy a used one and it would be a lot cheaper.

Speaker 2: 30:53

But Well, and again, it's still because we need more. We need more into the battery. They need to research and need to keep working on the battery.

Speaker 1: 31:03

Yeah, we're definitely.

Speaker 2: 31:05

Fuel cell technology.

Speaker 1: 31:07

We're definitely in the infancy of the technology with these cars. I mean, I got on it way early just because I've always wanted one, and why not? I think it was affordable price. But all right, let's move on. Let's move on. Wade says hybrid is better for the environment short and long term. I mean, I think what he's talking about is my battery, or the batteries. When they're dead, where do they go?

Speaker 2: 31:35

It's probably because but again, I don't know a ton of our cars. I don't either. What they're all saying is, I mean the big. The big bad part, if you will, about a EV is that the footprint of an EV is to. If the bad is the battery, right. Yeah, it's a production of the battery.

Speaker 1: 31:54

Yeah, it's the mining of whatever that is.

Speaker 2: 31:56

But don't you have the same amount that goes into an EV as it goes into a hybrid, isn't it the?

Speaker 1: 32:01

same. No, because it's not as much battery. It's not that there's a lot more battery in an EV than there is a hybrid. It's not like just a 12-fold battery.

Speaker 2: 32:10

Well, I understand, but it's a pretty big battery that goes into a hybrid too, though, right yeah but not like I mean.

Speaker 1: 32:19

Think about the that's what I'm trying to say is the Tesla dumb truck, whatever that ugly thing is. I mean that thing has the Cybertruck. Yeah, has so many batteries in it. Yeah, like that, it's a way bigger footprint.

Speaker 2: 32:33

And I can see that.

Speaker 1: 32:35

I didn't do it for the environment. I just want you all know. I just don't want to pay gas anymore.

Speaker 2: 32:40

No, you're also purely selfish.

Speaker 1: 32:42

Hounder percent. Jamie's got a Corolla hybrid. I didn't even know they made it. I thought they stopped at the Camry.

Speaker 2: 32:50

Dang. When the batteries die, do they go to battery health?

Speaker 1: 32:54

Well, wait, you can't say a smaller battery, a smaller footprint? Okay, I get that. And they stand the load, the load longer, the road longer. We don't know, because EVs haven't been out that long, why Chevy can last for 20 years.

Speaker 2: 33:07

We don't know. I doubt it Well, but a hybrid can stay on the road longer because when you run out of battery, the motor stops Right. So that's the problem, yeah. No, yeah, that's right If you're bad if you got to put a new battery in it, I mean, yeah, yeah, we skipped right past the hybrid.

Speaker 1: 33:24

I don't think we skipped by it. I think the hybrids were out there but no one focused on them. The you know the government just like, oh, we're not even going to talk about hybrids. Like, why, yeah, let's, let's ease into the EVs, let's start with hybrids, do those for 10, 15, 20 years, master those and then go into EV and then, during those 20 years, fucking work on the grid. Like Steve said, like the you know I do.

Speaker 2: 33:49

I think as interesting is that California is one of the states that's pushing the EVs, the most. And guess what, california is one of the ones that has the worst electricity.

Speaker 1: 34:02

Oh yeah, well, they don't have the. There's too many people there.

Speaker 2: 34:06

I know their grid is in the worst shape. Why the hell are they pushing EVs like?

Speaker 1: 34:10

they are no. Texas grid is in the worst shape than California.

Speaker 2: 34:13

But they shouldn't, they should not be pushing EVs like they are.

Speaker 1: 34:17

Well, that's cause of that lovely governor over there. All right, let's move on. I'm tired of this. Can I clip this and start an EV podcast just from this part, like it's our trailer.

Speaker 2: 34:27

I would listen to it, I think you're up.

Speaker 1: 34:32

We're talking about some guy that.

Speaker 2: 34:35

Dr DC Rabbi, again, this is just another negative story, if you will. So basically this is I don't know why I got all the stories about the-.

Speaker 1: 34:46

You were the show plan.

Speaker 2: 34:48

Negativity is because you don't want to do anything.

Speaker 1: 34:51

Oh yeah, that's, it.

Speaker 2: 34:53

So this story is from the it wasn't in post the DC Rabbi who was attacked by a lift driver who didn't like his energy. The prominent young Washington Rabbi says he was in a cab home for morning prayers Sunday when he was kicked out of the car and violently attacked by the driver. He was not able to give any reason other than my energy.

Speaker 1: 35:14

Minekham Shemtov I know Wow, that was pretty good Killed that name, but sorry about that.

Speaker 2: 35:19

The 29 year old leader of Chabat, georgetown, sat in an interview Sunday afternoon as he headed to an urgent care facility to treat the cuts on his face. Basically, he was on the way home and he had just asked him to turn down the music a little bit Again, just like earlier, something about music.

Speaker 1: 35:40

What is going on with the music? People Calm down.

Speaker 2: 35:43

I know, yeah, let's see here. And then basically ooh.

Speaker 1: 35:50

Looks like he made a passive, aggressive comment, how he should have took a quiet car next time.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Exactly yeah. 20 seconds later he said get out of my car. When Shemtov asked why he said, the driver replied I replied I don't like your energy. Your energy is kind of off offending. After Shemtov got out of, video shows the driver following him on foot and yelling at him for slamming the car door, which apparently he did not. He didn't punch Shemtov in the face when the rabbi moved to take pictures of the car. The driver following his left through repeatedly with the keys even cut across his face.

Speaker 1: 36:21

Of course he was deactivated.

Speaker 2: 36:23

Yeah. So why are people just being idiots? I don't understand. And obviously the story, the article almost makes it into a hate crime, right, which I mean I don't think it is Well?

Speaker 1: 36:35

no, because the guy probably didn't know he was a rabbi.

Speaker 2: 36:37

No, it's not. I mean they focus on those things. I don't think there's anything to do with it, but yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:44

People need to like calm down. I mean honestly like, let's be honest though, it's a low bar to be an Uber driver, right? You know what I mean. I'm not cutting on anybody by any means, but yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:57

That would be a good spot to show the video you cut earlier.

Speaker 1: 37:01

Oh, I know, I know, we should just fucking play that one, there you go, do you have?

Speaker 1: 37:06

it. I can bring it up, you wanna. I didn't really this next article. I was joking about a free Uber service, but Bellevue's gone and done it. What is this? I kinda missed this, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1: 37:17

In a recent column, while riding the empty ghost tram to the Seattle streetcar, I noted that one in South, like Union, has cost a tax payer more than $20 per ride. God be cheaper for the city to pay me for to hire an Uber. Blah, blah, blah. Let's see, a company called Circuit has been contracted to run a fleet of eight all electric shuttles, fucking electric. Why are we going electric? Those fucking people that want EVs, electric shuttles downtown, around, downtown portion of Bellevue. You can summon any of the shuttles with an app and ride them anywhere with a six, six square miles. That's pretty good. The service is paid for by the hotel tax. See, finally something good with that damn tax. And you go to check out. You're like, oh, this is affordable hotel. Oh, it's a $300 tax. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I kinda like that.

Speaker 1: 38:06

I would not dare ride our bus system in Grand Rapids. I think I would get shanked. Like the dash is free. So you know, you got every homeless person and degenerate on there. I think we need again. We need a classier bus system. You got your A to B I'm underprivileged, I just need a ride and then you got a bus system where, like you know, I pay a little bit more and it's classy, but then but then what?

Speaker 2: 38:35

You're encouraging the class system?

Speaker 1: 38:38

Well, not really. Yes, you are Not really, I mean, but it's such a nice little thing. I don't know I shouldn't say that, but we already have the class system. No, I know, I know but you're like I have a poor man's EV and someone else has a Tesla you know what I mean Like that's a class system. I understand.

Speaker 2: 38:59

But that's what it is. It's essentially just making that gap.

Speaker 1: 39:03

Because they can't afford it. And if it being public transportation, it kind of looks bad that you're like having something that might not be affordable for everyone. I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2: 39:15

But you're also right. It shouldn't be that people you know, upstanding citizens, shouldn't be scared. That's the problem To drive on the free service.

Speaker 1: 39:25

Well, I think this is more unique, because I like this, because you could almost do bar hopping with this, you know what I mean Park somewhere and then they take you around and you can drink and it looks, it's kind of a cool car, I know, it's a circuit or something, I don't know. Maybe that was the brand of circuit vehicles, but I don't know. I kind of like the idea, I don't know.

Speaker 2: 39:46

It's not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. I actually think that there is something almost like it in Green Abbot. You can-.

Speaker 1: 39:54

We talked about it I don't know if it's live yet, is it?

Speaker 2: 39:57

Well, so they have those little cars you can call and they'll, they'll, they're self-driving. You can kind of they'll take you around.

Speaker 1: 40:06

Yeah, let me. Let me fill the air with something Tell us. Tell us something about-.

Speaker 2: 40:12

Fill the air. Well, so I can, I can, I can, I guess I can repeat. If there's anybody who is new to the show that joined last 10, 15 minutes, I will just repeat and say this is my last show. If you're new to the show I feel bad for. Jim, our new, our new Patreon.

Speaker 1: 40:31

He probably liked you. And he's like ah, fuck, Jason, I'm out of here.

Speaker 2: 40:35

I was like no way, I'm not dealing with that. So, no, no, there's no. But again, please keep supporting it. It's a great show and and do come to the picnic next year, oh God I gotta.

Speaker 1: 40:47

I gotta do the picnic. I gotta plan the picnic myself. Larry's not gonna be here to help me, oh no. He'll come, you know He'll come but I gotta do all the the fucking legwork up here. He just gets his reap reap the rewards. Okay, so this is interesting, I got it downloaded. A driver talking about Uber, I don't know who. The who was interviewing him. I have no idea the context, but we'll play it and then talk about it.

Speaker 2: 41:13

Driver for Uber, fourth time or part time?

Speaker 1: 41:17

Fourth time.

Speaker 2: 41:18

And how much?

Speaker 1: 41:18

money can you make a month? Three to four thousand. That's after all your expenses. Aha, do you have health?

Speaker 2: 41:25

insurance? No, nothing, anything. You don't have nothing here. Okay, so everything is out of pocket. Exactly, if you come up like 11, 12 hours, you can't go with like hundred dollars, 150 dollars a day. What's the biggest challenge when driving?

Speaker 1: 41:37

for Uber. It's the one thing that you don't like.

Speaker 2: 41:41

And that's the money you know it's unpredictable Music plays.

Speaker 1: 41:48

In the beginning he talks about he makes three or four thousand after expenses and then at the end he's like it's not worth it. I, I don't even understand that guy, but I think that's kind of a guy that wants benefits and all that. I'm like this is not that job. If you want all that, go dry for a limo company and make an hourly wage.

Speaker 2: 42:08

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 42:10

Yep, yep. So John, don't even start. John is the. If you're in the telegram route, john's like an OG to. He's been in there, god, from the beginning. Yeah, and he always gives me shit. He's like ah, great, show again. Yes, for you were the best. That's what he says. All the, but anyways, no, I mean it's just frustrating that that guy like I don't know, I'm just like but again.

Speaker 2: 42:36

But three to four thousand dollars again, depending on his market. Three to four thousand dollars a month, it's not bad.

Speaker 1: 42:43

No, after expenses no. And then he talks about yeah, you have to drive I mean, it was a little hard to understand but 10 to 12 hours a day you make a hundred hundred fifty dollars, like that's not $4,000 a month. No so he's. He was talking out of both sides of his mouth, so I I don't?

Speaker 1: 42:59

I don't really understand that at all. Yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's a 1099 thing that the earnings are unpredictable. They're just kind of like, you know, being a real material, like sometimes it's gonna be busy, sometimes they're gonna be slow. You're just gonna have to plan for that, just plan for it.

Speaker 2: 43:14

Plan for it.

Speaker 1: 43:15

Absolutely real quick. Gary's apps for Middleton tech. He has Maximo, driver utility helper and flex alert. Driver utility helper is hard to say or you can say duh, that is for Dordash. It helps you decline, do all the things for you can set parameters what kind of money you'll take. And then Maximo is the other one that does for grub. I never really got a good explanation why he can't put those two products together. It's I know it's something and you'll probably coat, nerd it out for me and tell me. But the other one's Maximo. That's uber lift grub hub. I think that's it. I'm sure there's more. But again, set up parameter. Parameters how you want helps you make more money. It helps you not touch your phone as much. You can set it up like hey, I only want to go seven minutes away or six minutes away, and then when those rides come in outside of those parameters, it just declines them right or you can auto accept.

Speaker 1: 44:11

I don't know why you'd want to auto accept. He has that feature on there. I never use it. I want to make the choice myself. I even set up a little bit of a delay so the ride pops up, gives me like Seven to ten seconds, and then so I can be like it's fucking slow, I'm gonna take this, you know what I mean, right?

Speaker 1: 44:27

And then, if I don't, it just declines it for me and it moves on so and even when you get to try to put in time out, when they Sign you offline, the the app will put you back online. You don't have to touch your phone for anything nice.

Speaker 2: 44:39

Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1: 44:40

So check Gary's apps out. The link is in the description. All right, yes, we're where we at 47 instacart reward.

Speaker 2: 44:50

So this isn't weird article and I'm not a ton of this try understand what's going on, but basically, this will give it a try. We'll give it a try, so, but it's a new market, a new app.

Speaker 1: 45:02

I Think it I think it is. Customers.

Speaker 2: 45:07

I don't know if it's no, it is oh in some markets they have been testing something called its AI powered shopping carts, called Kappa carts, and it's in staccato in this. Basically, one of the earliest features of Kappa carts was that it allowed choppers to synchronize that grocery list to the cart itself. So basically, you could have a grocery list it was a you should synchronize into the cart and then the cart then tells the shop of which I'll each item can be found in gross crossing, each One of the list as they add to the cart. And the Kappa cart also let you pay for your grocery haul Using the touchscreen on the cart instead of having to stand in the checkout line. Okay, and so what they're doing now is they're adding features to it.

Speaker 2: 45:52

So when you're checking out, you can now have a Spin, spin for a price. Oh, I know right, you can spin for a price, and one of the price can be two dollars or two dollars off your total purchase. Okay, that's fun. So I can. I'm not sure entirely what they're hoping to get out of it, but so yeah, basically it's a discount for your next Chinese shop or something like that. So yeah, basically it's a gross. The grocery games don't.

Speaker 1: 46:24

I kind of like it, so I I'm very confused, though. Why does Instacart have their own shopping cart? Like I don't understand. Is this like in an Aldi or something?

Speaker 2: 46:34

I don't know that's. This is part of the things I don't really understand.

Speaker 1: 46:39

Okay, I mean it looks fun, but like where I mean I'm not, am I gonna be able to use it at my ear, like that's what my point is. Like what? What grocery store is it in? I can't read that. They must like, have a like unless it's a relationship with certain stores. It says. It says vice president, general manager of Instacart's connected stores.

Speaker 2: 47:02

So it must be like Something that they have, unless it's the shoppers that's using this.

Speaker 1: 47:07

No, that can't be it. It it well it does.

Speaker 2: 47:11

I Mean because this is a shot, because I wouldn't. I didn't know if this is when the shoppers are doing the shopping. It takes them to the right aisles and no, it wouldn't be for that.

Speaker 1: 47:20

It wouldn't be for that, because why would it? Why would you care if there's two dollars fucking off for the customer?

Speaker 2: 47:27

So no, I know, but but it says. It says that.

Speaker 1: 47:34

No, it's not for drivers.

Speaker 2: 47:35

The card then tells the shopper which aisle each item can be found in.

Speaker 1: 47:40

I mean it would be good if that's the case, but I mean it has yeah, what, what are the, what are the shopper?

Speaker 2: 47:46

I mean?

Speaker 1: 47:47

we just use your app it I will get bet you one million dollars. It is not for drivers, it's for regular folk using going in the store. It's not for it's not for drivers. When I say drivers, I don't want to say shoppers, because it's gonna confuse you.

Speaker 2: 48:03

No, I know, but I mean. But why would I? Why, why would I use, why would I need the insert card if I just go shopping the store?

Speaker 1: 48:09

Well, that's what, what? What I mean it's, it's I think it's a specific cart that they're trying to sell for different air, for different grocery stores. You know what I mean? So, like you'd go to Meyer and it would have those, instead it wouldn't have the regular carts. You understand what I'm saying, or not?

Speaker 2: 48:26

like the actual shopping cart, correct.

Speaker 1: 48:29

It would be insta carts, whatever.

Speaker 2: 48:33

Yeah, so would be actual, real cars a real car?

Speaker 1: 48:37

Oh, you didn't. Yeah, it's a real car. You put stuff in it and stuff like that, just like what. What? When I say put stuff in it, you didn't do that. Well, like Steve said, it reads every product you put in it. So why don't they just let you swipe your card and pay and skip the checkout line?

Speaker 2: 48:53

Well, yeah, that's what it would, that's what it does.

Speaker 1: 48:56

Oh well, I say this like the Amazon store, where you can Yep just. You don't even have to do anything, you just. I see him at the airport, you can just grab your stuff in.

Speaker 2: 49:05

It charges your card, but so it's, yeah, it's the same as the, as the, as the new, as those Amazon stores.

Speaker 1: 49:13

I wish they were all like that. Well, Meyer has something where you can scan everything in In the app which I would never use because Myers app is terrible and then you go to check out and it randomly Doesn't audit, and but if it doesn't audit you just walk right out with it. But so I think that's pretty cool. But it is yeah, yeah, I have to reread this article about this insta cart thing. I Really think it is just for regular folk, it must.

Speaker 2: 49:40

You could even the picture now to see it. It is actually an actual cart.

Speaker 1: 49:44

Yeah, oh, you didn't think it. You thought it was like a virtual cart.

Speaker 2: 49:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 49:52

This is why he's leaving folks. They close the Amazon. Sir is not sure about the airport. I mean, the last time was an airport was a year ago and they had it, but that doesn't mean anything. Okay, so this driver, you Got attacked. Let's see what do. We got left 53. Nah, let's skip this one. That's stupid. Yes, let's jump into the lift, one which I've been seeing a lot of these lately and I don't know what it is.

Speaker 2: 50:20

So, tom, you were recently underpaid for 11 canceled rides. We've added a $110 adjustment to your account to correct this on the payment. Thanks for your payment. Thanks for your patience as you fix this mistake. Please let our team know if you need help or have questions.

Speaker 1: 50:39

So first of all, 11 canceled rides. They fucked them six ways from Sunday. That's a lot of money, I know.

Speaker 2: 50:46

I mean, but $10 per canceled ride. Yeah, that's true, that's great, that's a lot of money per canceled ride.

Speaker 1: 50:54

It's a shit ton of money because list cancels are the worst. They're like $2 now, but then why?

Speaker 2: 51:01

I don't know, but I've been seen, they must have really fucked up.

Speaker 1: 51:03

Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of Reddit posts and it's not that amount, it's just we screwed up. We screwed up and I think a month ago, maybe in December, before we went on break, there was another incident where they're like here's $2. Here's $3 or whatever. So I don't know what lift's doing. I mean, I guess I'm glad that they're honest, but like if I got that money, I'd be like I literally don't know what happened. Clearly you screwed me, but I don't know how you screwed me. But you're right, $10 for each cancel seems a little excessive.

Speaker 2: 51:34

I know Well, do the math.

Speaker 1: 51:35

Well, I mean, yeah good job doing the math.

Speaker 1: 51:38

I mean, it's different, market specific, of course, but yeah, I don't know. I guess I'm glad they're being honest about that. But like, lift, get your shit together. So I really do, get your shit together, good God. So, last thing, we I'm gonna play a video. We did talk about this, I think, either on the last show or the one before this same thing, and so it's just a discussion of why this is still happening. But someone was walking to this couple's house again, and so we'll watch that video. We are currently on the phone with Uber Eats right now. Just look at this. We have a guy walking 84 mile, 84 minutes away.

Speaker 2: 52:16

He's walking 4.5 miles from Wingstop Somehow someway. Uber eats Let this man. They're trying to tell me that they're gonna find me if I cancel the order. I have the choice to let the guy walk. I ordered food an hour ago, by the way. I have the choice to let the guy walk 85 minutes or I get. Fine, I'm, I'm is busy.

Speaker 1: 52:37

You don't get fine. Why is he? Why are they letting him walk an hour? Uh, so couple of things with that video One. Why is this happening? What is? How is Uber allowing this to happen? Like, why isn't there app going? It's gonna take this guy 85 minutes to get here.

Speaker 2: 53:09

Walk yeah, systems are screwed up.

Speaker 1: 53:12

Yeah, it is, and I will tell you and I'm talked about it on the show, I think. When I was in Florida we talked about how I ordered Uber and it fucked up and I had to chat with them for 45 minutes to get my money back. They eventually will, but you have to pester and pester like escalate, escalate. But yeah, they're not going to give you your money back. I don't understand that. I don't know why. Is it just because, like, they have to give money back to the restaurant too, and it's?

Speaker 2: 53:39

like a whole thing.

Speaker 1: 53:40

But yeah, I don't understand how Uber is letting these people walk. I mean, we've seen the, the Photoshop thing that says Uber walk. You know what I mean? Like you can get a walking buddy, that's what it was, something like that, but you, that really isn't an option. Am I missing something? Is there an Uber walk option? Like, if I Google it, am I going to be like this shouldn't be. I mean, it shouldn't be.

Speaker 2: 54:04

I know.

Speaker 1: 54:06

I typed Uber walk and the the first thing that came up as Uber walking buddy, uber walking delivery. Let's see, why are walking deliveries a thing? This is from Reddit, it's not. It's not. He's 200 miles away and he was walking. That one's weird. I mean, maybe it's like someone said he goes. I used to walk during COVID. It's really not a thing anymore, unless in New York City, because it's so short. Like huh Interesting. Well, anyways, it shouldn't be. Yeah, I suppose. Like, anyways, I'm done.

Speaker 1: 54:43

It shouldn't be yeah it shouldn't be an option, but I mean, yeah, two hours, three hours?

Speaker 2: 54:51

No, it wouldn't be three hours.

Speaker 1: 54:52

Well that one 85 minutes is not three hours.

Speaker 2: 54:56

You're here already. He had already waited an hour, yeah.

Speaker 1: 55:00

I don't know I would die. Why does this stuff ever happen to me? Because I don't ever order Uber Eats. But all right, we're going to wrap it up. I've had a long day, yep, and I appreciate you guys. I appreciate everybody that joined. Jamie, I'm so glad to see you commenting. I have missed you in the chat. I know you're probably crazy busy. Pete, thanks for joining. And of course, larry Mark I missed some of Mark's comments. Man Jason is super hating on poor people tonight.

Speaker 1: 55:30

That's kind of funny. He made another comment earlier in the show too. I got to find it because it was something about something about me peeing in a bottle. Well, yeah, I miss it.

Speaker 2: 55:43

You're going to be alone with your pee bottles.

Speaker 1: 55:45

Oh, that means Jason's going to fly solo with his Gatorade bottle. Yeah, no, yeah, I'm going to have to find. I'm going to have to put a video up is? I'm sorry, I'm going to pee, jamie, god's night she met good night. Jamie, I miss you. I miss you, thank you. Jump in the chat and not this chat, the telegram chat. You're OK? Yes, it's been a hell of a ride.

Speaker 2: 56:11

It has been a ride. You guys keep it up and keep having fun.

Speaker 1: 56:15

All right and, as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit and see you guys on the road. We should have said and I'll never see you on the road again, fuck off. Good night, bye, guys. This podcast is produced and edited by hey Guys Media Group. Want to start a podcast? Check out HeyGuysMediaGroupcom.