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Ep #179 Lyft delivers its State of the Union speech, entitled streamers smash phone and Are You Striking on Feb 14th?
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Strap in, gig economy warriors, and prepare to ride shotgun with Larry and me on a journey through the latest industry twists and turns. We're leaving no stone unturned as we dissect Lyft's bold new driver benefits, sift through the murky waters of "external fees," and share a harrowing tale of an Uber cancellation that smelled fishier than a market on a hot summer's day. With Larry's fresh perspective and my seasoned anecdotes, including the one about an inebriated passenger who turned a routine night into a memorable odyssey, we're pulling back the curtain on what it really means to navigate the gig economy.
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Speaker 1Another one .
Speaker 2Hey , the button worked . Hey guys , oh my goodness , welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast Episode 179 , with our new co-host , mr Larry .
Speaker 3That was pretty good , jason . Thank you so much . Thanks for inviting me to be a co-host on the show . I've got big shoes to fill . Jesper did a great job . I know he had a lot of fans and I hope that they'll take a liking on me as well . Just , everybody's been on the show in the past Jesper and Pete was on , sam was on for a while , of course , ben was there for quite a while , nick even remember that's someone going way back . Yeah for sure . Excited to be here . Excited to be here .
Speaker 2So , yeah , we're just going to jump into what we do always . We're going to miss Jesper . Maybe he'll tune in tonight , probably not . Probably some feelings . I have some feelings as well , as I completely dismantled the studio over the last week , took the table out , took everything out . There's couches already in here . I moved my studio to about an eighth of what it was in this little cubby over here . But the way Larry and I are going to be streaming since he's out of town and out of state , this works well . So I had some emotions running high and been a lot of hours of content recorded at that table between EatonGig and another podcast I did . They had over 200 episodes so . But I think this is good . It's a refresh of my basement .
Speaker 2My wife is extremely happy that we can come downstairs and actually watch a show and shut the door and not have children or dogs or anything on here . So pretty stoked about that .
Speaker 2But to find out about our show , go to gigakonemyshowcom . That's where you can find all the information about us Old shows , new shows , basically everything you need . We are now putting news on that . So if you need some news or you're looking for some news or you hear anything or you want to share with us or you're just looking , go to gigakonemyshowcom for that . I want to mention our Patreon members , which Larry is the longstanding . I think he needs to quit now . Can everyone encourage him to stop subscribing ?
Speaker 3I did actually last night .
Speaker 2Did you ? Okay , no need to pay for it if you're providing the content .
Speaker 3You got my money for February , but that's it All right .
Speaker 2So last hurrah Larry from Bowling Green , Samson from Gun Rapid , Steve from Colorado , Bud Dickman from North Carolina , Omar from Detroit , delivery of Castor , Michigan , Jamie from Tennessee , Frank from Philly , Nate from Florida , John from California , Tom from Chicago and I did not update this , but I think it's Jim from Connecticut .
Speaker 3Yes , I believe you're correct , jim from Connecticut .
Speaker 2Okay , I don't know how to spell Connecticut , so I'm just going to do that . And because I went to private school and we don't do geography , here , there we go .
Speaker 3Or math .
Speaker 2Or math . If you want to join the Patreon , which we offer two different tiers , go to patreoncom , Go to our website , slash gig econ podcast or just search the gig economy podcast on Patreon . You get an extra podcast a month . We did not do it last month , but you know . Obviously , as you know , we were going through the things with Jesper , so we're going to Larry and I will be starting that this month . After the third month you get a T-shirt , John McKelley , and I owe you one . The $5 tier gets you the pre-show banter and the $10 tier gets you an ad free episode .
Speaker 2So you don't have to listen to us talk about ads or anything else that gets placed on there . Check that out . And then , last but not least , the telegram group . That's where we all talk . I would say , out of everyone in the group , larry is the most active , I would say out of that group , I think , other than Gabe , I think Larry's the most active as a gig worker as well . Um , maybe not .
Speaker 3Uh , yeah , I mean it goes back and forth , it it's so . Sometimes I am sometimes Uh , I don't know . You know sometimes John will get on the kick and that's sure on there quite a bit , or you know Frank's been on quite a bit here lately . So , yeah , we definitely need more people to get on the Get on the telegram group it's . It's fun chatting when you're out working , just you know , have somebody to talk with and Tell stories about your passengers and the crazy thing that just happened and a lot of stuff , and and also the patreon . We need somebody to backfill my position , that's right .
Speaker 3Definitely we need we need at least one new member , so sign up for the patreon the telegram group is like whatsapp or iMessage or a facebook group .
Speaker 2Just go ahead , download telegram . The link is in the description for that . So , all right , we're going to bring back stories from the road . We took it off for a little bit , but you know we're . I'm going to be driving this weekend . Larry's driving all the time . So , larry , do you have any stories from the road ? I do not , but I will this weekend because I'm working .
Speaker 3That's okay , I got two , so I got you covering . The first one happened a couple weeks ago . Picked up a lady about two in the afternoon . Picked her up . She was . She was already very intoxicated . She was just heading over to a dollar general market and we're heading . When we had to pass the liquor store on the way . She's like uh , I really I really want to go liquor store , but I don't need to go the liquor store . But I want to go the liquor store , but anyway we didn't .
Speaker 3We went on into the dollar general market and we get there and she's like I'm , I'm really , I'm really smashed . She's like you have to go in with me . She's like I , all I need is to get is some panty liners . I need you going . She's like I'll give you 20 bucks if you go in . I'm like Okay , I mean this is literally like . We're like . We're like maybe four blocks from her house , probably from her apartment , and so like , okay , so we walk in the store . I should have seen the big red flag when we walk in . She grabbed a cart .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , right , grab the shopping cart ends up .
Speaker 3Come up the first time we see is a valentine's day display . She starts throwing in candy and stuff and then we like passed a dollar aisle . She's like , oh , we gotta go down the dollar . I'm . She's getting makeup . She bought a hundred and forty dollars for this stuff .
Speaker 4Oh , my god yeah .
Speaker 3So we get out of the car and uh , and then she's like , okay , um , I really I need to stop the liquor store . Like I don't think you need to stop the liquor store , I think you want to stop the liquor store . So we stopped the liquor store . Once again have to go in with her because she's unsteady on her feet . She's like I really want some crown , royal , but I can't afford it . And we walk around the store . She didn't find anything . So she gets a six back and then right by the counter is the crown roll . She's like you know what ? I'm gonna do it tonight . So she gets , she gets a thing or crown .
Speaker 3We get the car , get back to your apartment taking out the groceries you know all these bags from dollar general and she starts taking stuff out of the bags and putting them in my trunk . I'm like what are you doing ? She's like , oh , I got all these . These are for you . This is what I got for you . I'm like , look , all I wanted . You asked me what I wanted . All I wanted was a mountain dude .
Speaker 3So if you want to pull it up , jason , here's the haul from what , what , what I got from this lady . So she got me some some k-pod dunk and donut , you know coffee pods . She got me some chocolate covered cherries . She got me some dial three , one soap and conditioner shampoo , and my mountain do that . I asked for A frappuccino drink , a peach tea drink . She got me a bath bomb and she got me some some gier deli caramel chocolates . And then on the other picture , a big giant tube of the snowball white cheddar cheese puffs . Just a hint you ever go to dollar general , do not get the white cheddar cheese puff , these snowballs . They are the most disgusting thing . Me and my wife we each put one , we each tried one and they they taste like some kind of chemical thing .
Speaker 3Oh no tastes like food . They were horrible .
Speaker 2Wow . Well , look at all this rest of stuff .
Speaker 3thing Like this is all drunk by this is jason on amazon buying stuff because he's like .
Speaker 2Shit-faced like oh my gosh .
Speaker 3Yes , I'm like I don't need any of this . She's like , well , I'm not taking it , I'm gonna leave it in your trunk , you know .
Speaker 2I mean , I'll take it if you're not gonna .
Speaker 3Exactly , if you're not gonna , and so I help . You know I helped helped her carry her stuff in her apartment door . You know she opened the door , we set her stuff right in and and then she started hugging on me and I was like , okay , it's time to go , it is time to go .
Speaker 2You know it's interesting . You said she didn't have enough money for the crown royal . If she would have bought just what she needed at Dollar general , she would have plenty of money for the crown .
Speaker 3Well , yeah , a couple of things of . There you go . That's how you spoke in etiquette .
Speaker 2That's right , c-o-n-n-e-c-t . Yeah , I would have got that wrong . Yeah , I would have missed it . 100% got that wrong so anyway .
Speaker 3uh , that was , that happened like two weeks ago , so last night my second story from the road .
Speaker 2I have an important question . Okay , how was the bath bomb ?
Speaker 3I haven't used it yet . Back at home and and my wife was like she was looking through , she's like , oh , she's , oh , we can give this to Amy . I'm like the hell you are , that's my bath bomb .
Speaker 2I slayed for this bath bomb . I work hard .
Speaker 3Yeah , I put it up with drunken craziness for this bath bomb .
Speaker 2That's 100 .
Speaker 3That's going yes that's going in the in the hot and then the hard jacuzzi tub .
Speaker 2The next time I soup 100% and what else you got , so yeah , okay .
Speaker 3Next , this just happened last night . I was out and I was I was listening to a podcast , driving around . Uh , I , my first passenger . I didn't even go out till like 8 30 last night . Just can go out for a couple hours . I had done one ride , so I'm on the way to my second ride and I got to get a message from uber . Pops up on the screen . It says um , let me pull up the email . I've still got the email . It's crazy .
Speaker 2Um yeah you might as well read the verbiage .
Speaker 3Yeah , says a message from uber , and this came from the app says we hope everything is okay . Larry , one of your riders indicated that they were involved in a minor accident slash discomfort while inside your vehicle . We wanted to check to make sure you're okay . As explained in our community guidelines , series are repeated . Claims of poor , unsafe or distracted driving can result in a permanent deactivation Of a driver's account . Please note that this message was not meant in an accusatory way . We simply wanted to make you aware of the nature of the feedback we recede . We are not in the vehicle and therefore do not rely on the perspective and therefore we do rely on the perspective of both parties . We do understand there are two sides to every story , which is why we always reach out . We appreciate your understanding . If you have any concerns , feel free to reach us . So yeah , I reached them real quick , as soon as I got done one with enough that second ride that I was doing , and I went to respond and they had already sent me the same message again .
Speaker 3It was like 30 minutes later and they sent it again . Uh , so I typed in bags like hey , you know , I've got dash cam footage . Nothing happened . I don't know what . You know what . What happened that my suit ? You know it was a student that I picked up at western , took her from the college or her apartment we should like 10 minutes away .
Speaker 4Um nothing happened yeah none at all .
Speaker 3So Is that it ?
Speaker 2Yeah , okay , I thought you were gonna add what um today .
Speaker 3Well , yeah , I can , I can add that in right now too . So so today I'm driving and , um , I was going to pick , I get a , I get a , you know ping and , and I'm on my way to pick it up and all of a sudden it gets canceled . There's somebody named grace was the passenger and Right as it , right as it goes away , I get a call and says this is uber support . I'm like in my mind , I'm like , yeah , sure it is . And they say , uh , you know , you just had a call that was arrived , that was canceled , correct . And I was like , yes , and they said are you aware that there is a complaint against your account ? I was like , well , there was something last night , but that's all been cleared up . And they're like , well , we need to confirm some details of your account . And I'm like details , okay , confirm this , hang up .
Discussing Lyft's New Driver Benefits
Speaker 2Okay , and you said to me in a message that you feel like that was related .
Speaker 3It was a big coincidence if it wasn't . I you know , I don't know it very well could be , but it but that , like I said , the messages that I got last , you know , last night , about there being a problem , came from within the Uber app . Yeah , so if it was a scammer or hacker , somehow they were able to get into the app .
Speaker 2So I disagree . I think it was a coincidence . I actually think that you didn't give them an opportunity to ask the question of what details they wanted , so I would have waited to see what they wanted before . Yeah , you know what I mean .
Speaker 3Yeah , I know , and I've done that before . I mean that's probably the fifth time I've gotten that phone call over the years .
Speaker 2Okay , so do you so ? But do you feel like it was a scam , though the phone call for sure , like , do you just felt a little shaky about it ?
Speaker 3Oh yeah , I don't think they're going to ever , I don't . I don't think they're going to ever call like that and say , hey , we canceled that ride and we need to confirm your details . But yeah , you know , next time I'll probably let it go a little further , I mean . I just hung up and turned the app back on and got another ride within minutes .
Speaker 1Yeah , and haven't haven't you know .
Speaker 3they did call back one time and I just didn't answer the phone , but that was immediately after , you know , after .
Speaker 2So that's weird . The second callback makes me think it was a scam .
Speaker 3Yeah , they called immediately back and I just didn't answer it . I just went ahead and drove .
Speaker 2Interesting . So yeah , well , you know , I'm surprised they didn't park your car for 48 hours If it said something like a minor accident . Normally they said , when you get in an accident like that , they're like they park you , but it said minor , minor accident slash discomfort .
Speaker 3So they didn't tell you which one it is .
Speaker 2Yeah Well , if it was an accident , they would . They would park you for a bit .
Speaker 3Yeah , they always do them and you have to go take pictures and all that to get back on there . But I mean , I've had this passenger at least once before .
Speaker 1And .
Speaker 3I mean it wasn't like . I mean it's like a 10 minute trip or less . It's not like it would be a trip that'd be worth trying to . You know , do say something to get for free or anything For sure , and so I really don't know .
Speaker 2All right . Well , we'll find . Hopefully nothing happens again . So I just want to say hi to traveler ride share road warrior Rick the driven dad . Thank you guys for coming over from Steve's show . I really appreciate it . So we're going to jump in a gig gig economy in the news . And so this first thing obviously this is what everyone's talking about lifted their I called it the state of the union . It feels like that's what it ? Was you know how your state does it and then the president does it .
Speaker 2So the new driver benefits in early 2024 release . I'm just going to quick go over them and then kind of kind of read what they said earned 70% or more of rider fairs after external fees . Each week . Guaranteed we don't what's external fees ? See where the riders fairs go earn more for waiting during scheduled rides , find more ways to choose rides at the airport . Access new earning and navigation opportunities for EVs . Okay , and then appeal the activations easily in the lift app .
Speaker 2So obviously some of those are pretty self-explanatory in regards to what they are , but so just kind of going down the path here . It says we're proud to introduce a new pay standard , the first of its kind in the rideshare industry . Last year , on average , lift drivers earn roughly 88% of rider payments After external fees like local taxes and government mandated extra insurance provided while driving on the platform . But an average isn't the full story for every driver and any given week . Last year , approximately 15 out of 100 drivers earn less than 70% of what riders paid . Almost two thirds of the drivers had to happen to them at least once . So their commitment is to make sure you earn 70 . But what does that mean for the people that roughly earn 88% . Are they going to drop them to 70 ?
Speaker 3Well , that's the big question . I mean that's a big question and it's hard to believe that it's averaging 88% , I know . So again , it's 70% after taxes and fees . So here's what the CEO said when he was talking on the rideshare podcast . He says that's of right now . So for a hundred , if a fair is $100 , if the passengers paying $100 for a ride how much do you think of that goes toward insurance and fees out of $100? .
Speaker 2That that lift is paying .
Speaker 3Well , that , yeah , that they have to pay five bucks $24 .
Speaker 2What .
Speaker 3It's 24 . Yeah , $24 . So here's what they say . They say they said out of a hundred hour ride , the riders getting 67 , they're paying 24 , and fees and lift gets $9 . That's what , that's their . That's their , that's what they get to keep Okay . So again , that is a little hard to believe . And they said this would be something that they do on a weekly basis . So at the end of the week , if you've you've averaged over 70 , then you'll get , you'll get emails , as you know , congratulations , you've averaged over that . And if you're under that for the 15% of the drivers that may be under that , then you'll get an email that tells you how much . And they said they , they'll , they'll true it up , it's automatic , they'll pay you that difference .
Speaker 2So the ? Are they going to actually show the percentage ? So , like the ones that are all , we're already averaging 88% . Is it going to say , like you got 84% every week ?
Speaker 3or we should know , because they said as of today I checked it earlier as of today , we're going to get again , get to see the whole fair .
Speaker 3Like we used to build they're going to get to see what , what the , what the passenger pays , how much goes toward that insurance and fees and how much we get and how much goes to lift . They said they're . They're really trying to be you know very clear about things and shows you know what , where everything's going , because that's one of the big claims . We have no idea where things go like . I guarantee you it's just like you when I see how much insurance and fees they have to pay on a $100 ride . I don't think any driver would have guessed it was anywhere near that much .
Speaker 2I know , because I'm figuring like $100 ride . You know they're in the car for just such a you know what 15 minutes . Let's say I don't know . God dang , that's a lot of money . Yeah , yeah , but if it's true , yeah , and you know .
Speaker 3Again they say they're trying to be very you know , just very open about the process and where all the money's going .
Speaker 2Yeah , they're going to talk about . You know , like Larry said , where riders , fairs go earning made easier and more on scheduled trips . Turn on manual , except for queued rides , which that's a benefit , at least in the last month or two . Seymour ways to find rides at AirBor and access new earnings for EVs Wow , we're launching new EV earnings in Massachusetts , oregon , washington , nevada , toronto and Vancouver . Wow , starting February 12 through July 1 , drivers who give 50 rides in their personal EV in a week will earn an extra $100 , which I mean , do they have to do 50 to get it ? Because , like I , get a dollar per ride per on Uber regardless , it doesn't matter how many rides I do so . And then easier debt driver deactivation appeals swole , so it looks like a one button , one button push to appeal Right .
Speaker 3It's going to be within the app . Supposedly he talked about it . He said you know that , said that's one thing they've worked on a lot and they say that's the biggest concern with passengers . You know the right Sure guy was saying you know he usually hears pay as their number one , but the CEO he's like well , when you get deactivated , your pay goes to zero .
Speaker 3So , that , that that tends to be a bigger , bigger problem . So within the app supposedly there's going to be one , you know , a button . If you've been deactivated , you hit that button . It's going to give you a chance to explain your side . Supposedly they're going to have a place to upload dash cam videos , documentation , because that's one thing that they brought up . He was , you know , he asked him . He was like well , you know , we have , we have all these drivers have dash cams , but we never . There's nowhere for us to do anything with that .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3Half the time they'll say no , we don't , we're not going to take any of that . And speaking of dash cams , I didn't know it now , but within Lyft you can also register your dash cam so it'll pop up in the app and tell your driver the drive , I mean the passengers that you have a dash cam .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think you can do that with Uber . Have you activated that at all ?
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , I did it when it came out , okay , and but yeah , it's recent to Lyft that you didn't be you used to be able to do that . And then some other things . He's talking about their mapping that he said they were . They're working really hard on their mapping . They suggest , yes , everybody , try it out . They're trying to make it more like ways where you can give feedback if there's traffic jams . You know things like that . He talked a lot about how much how dedicated they are to making things fair and trying to make things better for the drivers . Yeah , yeah , it sounds like they're going to be doing these kind of bigger releases , you know , once or twice a year at least , because this is called the early 2004 release . So he said there's a reason it's called you know , the early one .
Speaker 2Yeah , In regards to the deactivation appeals , I think it's just a fancy button
Lyft Deactivations and Referral Bonuses
Speaker 2. My guess is like it's going to be the same process . It just I think it's going to just be . It's better for the Lyft to say oh , we can easily . You know what I mean Because , like , I just think it's just going to be the same thing . It's just , you have a big button and it just pops up . You fill it out and send it . I mean it might be a little bit easier .
Speaker 3Right , but he did say that something they've worked really hard on . He said they've got it . Now we're 72% of people on Lyft who get deactivated or reactivated within 24 hours .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 3He said so that's , and they're working . He said you know , he said they're working on it , but most of that stuff is short .
Speaker 2Hey you , someone said you were drinking and then they just park you for a day and then you're back without even putting an appeal , in my opinion . But well , we'll see . I don't have any stories , but I am driving this weekend because I looked at my Lyft bonus and for this weekend don't be jealous I got to bring it back up .
Speaker 3I'm jealous man , I am jealous .
Speaker 2So for this weekend , if I do 68 rides , $604 , it's my boat . I mean , I don't think I can do 68 rides on Lyft . I'll be honest with you . I don't think I'll be able to get that many . So I did choose the 604 one . But if I do 46 rides , I get 272 .
Speaker 3So we have faith in you , jason . You can do it Well .
Speaker 2I can do it . I just don't know if I'm going to get enough rides offered to me , unless I want to drive 20 minutes to pick people up , so that's incredible . I have not seen a quest like that from either of the apps that big .
Speaker 3No , I can't get anything . I don't get anything like that , but I could . You know ? What I need to do , I guess , is go refer some new drivers , because Lyft Uber is offering $100 . If we refer a driver , Lyft is offering $1,500 . Geez $1500 how many ?
Speaker 2rides . See , that's a thing , though Do they have to do a certain amount of rides ?
Speaker 3Well , but yeah , I don't think it tells me . Says that's sure they do . They have to do a certain amount of rides . It may be . I think it's like a gosh it may have been . Think . The last time I looked it was like 160 rides in the first Month or something .
Speaker 2Yeah , I don't you gonna get to do that , exactly , exactly some new bike .
Speaker 3Newbie doesn't know what they're doing and fuck , they're not gonna go out hammer it down like that , you know no way .
Speaker 2So that's that I don't want the competition .
Speaker 3Anyway , it's not worth it to me . I don't ever refer anybody but Jim with .
Speaker 2He says charge up that bull . Oh yeah , she's . She's gonna get a full charge tonight . We're gonna . We're gonna bang it out . Supposed to be a little warmer this weekend , so that'll give me some longer distances on on that .
Speaker 3So Another thing real quick on the deactivation with lift , one thing you did explain . He said that they're gonna also Do a much better job if you got deactivated . It's gonna they're really gonna Try to tell you . You know exactly why you were deactivated , not just , not just the generic Okay , you broke one of our terms of service and so you're deactivated , because that's what seems to happen now . You get it and you have no idea what you did or what ride it was connected to , or anything like that . Because he was talking and he's like you know , you know I drive as well with lift , you know , you see , you know they go .
Speaker 3Do a few rides . But anyway , he said that he , you know he's lives in California . Well , he , he went in , he ventured into Washington state and . This is what he claims you know that he got a note of that . He was deactivated and it told him because he was in Washington state and he's not , you know he's not that didn't have this stuff . He need the insurance and so they deactivated driving there .
Speaker 2Yeah , so I find that very hard to believe . Yeah , but .
Speaker 3I'm gonna try it . I'm gonna test it out because you know , always turn on my apps , like whenever I go the different states and I know which states generally around me I can drive in well , I think if they really want to be more transparent about like complaints , they need to .
Speaker 2Let me see what the person wrote . Yeah like literally . Let me see the message that they wrote .
Speaker 3Exactly like that's . That's how you can address it .
Speaker 2Exactly . Then I can pinpoint and say I can tell you where I was , I can tell you what happened , or if , if anything . But I think they're probably trying to . They're probably realizing that most of the complaints are complete and utter bullshit .
Speaker 3Right , I mean I'm sure , I'm sure there there are , there are some legit ones for sure , for sure . I know we have one later on that we're talking about that . If I was a driver , I would be complaining .
Speaker 2Anyway , all right we're gonna jump into . That was a good talk about Lyft . I'll give you some feedback next week show . I'm gonna see what happened . If I find anything . I'll try to go through my rides one by one and you know kind of take up , especially if they're gonna add the percentage . But this video it's about . I cut the fuck up out of this video because the full one got taken down . A reddit they took it down , so I did . I did Yeet it from YouTube and then cut out the the person that was talking about cuz it's like a 10 minute video . You know he was talking to between it . You know what I mean . But this is about a couple streamers that treat this driver really bad and we'll see if we can get through the first two and a half minutes and that's all it is . But Well , that ain't the right fucking thing . There we go .
Speaker 4Like do you not like your own ? Is your GPS always doing something to you ? Like , how is this my issue ? Just make a right , sir . Okay , no , it's an AI system . It's gonna tell you how to get there . I think the best thing to do is just to follow your GPS . Go straight , just go straight . We're supposed to go straight and make a left on the expressway . Just make him follow the GPS . I Did see now he parked in the corner . We missed the exit to get on the expressway .
Speaker 2She gets out of taser here .
Speaker 4I mean , like you think you just told us we're gonna walk , you're supposed to go straight and make a left . No , the address was your house address . Right , that's where we're going . That's not where you were , though . Right , you picked us up from the storage .
Speaker 4It's okay , I just picked us up , was not ? I'm recording this . We're gonna show this to the reverse . Come such because I got a tanger . So you want to get violent ? Nigga , because we can get violent right now . You're my shit out your trunk . You're my shit out your trunk and don't drop shit either , cuz I'll get real violent . Get my shit out your truck . Put on the sidewalk . Said you want to get violent ?
Speaker 2seems fun .
Speaker 4Let me know cuz she's recording all of this . Let's go . This is why old people shouldn't drive . He's saying he picked us up from your house .
Speaker 2Grabs his phone here , pulls it out of his car .
Speaker 4You're gonna cancel the ride right now .
Speaker 2It throws this phone on the ground .
Speaker 4I broke that . This Um back up , cuz no , I want him to hit us . Where is it ? Old man , do you have all samers ? Are you okay in the head ? Are you okay in the head ? Did you drop it , literally losing his mind ? Now he locked . Whose phone is this ? Is this your phone ? Do you have dementia Record ? That is that his phone . Is this this man's phone ? This one ?
Speaker 2Okay . So it was a little . It was a little cut up . There was some other stuff . But yeah , tony , they stole his phone . She went in there and grabbed it . Oh , so think I should have grabbed the . I'm gonna put the link in the description of the video . I pulled and chopped it up . I'm not gonna put it on her pages , ours , I just want . I didn't want to . Jimity , I'll stick to food delivery . I didn't want to play his whole video because it was 10 minutes , but he actually bleeped out all of them , set one n word . He missed one n word , but I watched the original when it first came out and it was n word , everything . But that creator had bleeped that out in the chat . I guess the chat was brutal too . So oh , I feel I feel so bad for that guy .
Speaker 3Oh , I know it . I mean this the way they were talking to him and treating him , and she filmed herself stealing his phone , I know breaking it . That's how stupid these kids are now exactly yeah , what are you doing ?
Speaker 2I feel bad because I think oh , I think old people . I think ride share is great for elderly people . I think it's very , you know , it's good income for them if they have a disability and stuff like that . I don't think there was anything wrong with the driver . I think he was just driving . It was a little . He may have been a little confused , but I feel like they were like Tricking him or something to make him confused . I don't know . I don't think he did anything wrong . He did the right thing . We're like you girls need to get out . So Just that is America y'all . That is . That is who's gonna be in this country soon , running this country .
Speaker 3So hey , elderly drivers , I resemble that remark man .
Speaker 2No , you're not .
Speaker 3No , but yeah , it was very confusing at the beginning . One it's something like one of them was telling him to go one way and the other one was arguing with them and telling yeah , again , it was probably , and it was probably a lot longer , but , like I said , it was all kind of chopped up .
Speaker 2So , all right , moving on , the is this . This is your story . Sorry , larry .
Speaker 3Yes , that's okay . So this is a screenshot that shows Somebody with paid sick time . So in some of the states where they've passed some of these , you know different laws , like in California , in Seattle I looked it up in Seattle if you're an Uber driver , you can get sick time . It's called paid sick and Safe time , and so it says , yeah , safe time . So it says , in order to be eligible , you must have taken at least one trip in the city of Seattle in the last 90 days . So it says you can accrue one day of sick time for every 30 Days you drive with Uber . They don't have to be consecutive days right .
Speaker 3And says completing at least one trip or delivering the city counts is one day . So if you do one , one ride that day , I think that'll get you your time from that goes toward your right , but this , but this is .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think the picture is wrong , right , like , yeah , oh yeah , yeah , this is either been photoshopped or so because it says what is that ?
Speaker 3like 11 million ? One million one hundred forty seven thousand .
Speaker 2No , it's a hundred fourteen thousand seven hundred sixty three hours .
Speaker 3Yeah , we don't do that .
Speaker 2You proved it your first day . So yeah , and most of those , I think . I think Massachusetts , and then Seattle , the New York , they all get your time and stuff like that .
Speaker 3So that , but they have so many weird rules and I know I don't know how they keep it straight I don't either . We don't want , don't want it , okay .
Speaker 2So I'm not a proponent of Steve's comment , I'm not a proponent of of strikes , but look at this fucking logo , is that ?
Speaker 3not awesome .
Speaker 2I fucking love this thing . I don't know who made it , it's just Great . So it's global day of strike . It's Valentine's Day , february 14 . No rides here , no deliveries . Turn your apps off in solidarity . I will be turning my apps off in solidarity . I will not be working .
Speaker 3I will not be working either , mainly because we'll be doing this .
Speaker 2Oh , next Wednesday , isn't it ?
Speaker 3I'm , but I never work on Valentine's Day , because not only is it Valentine's Day , it is my anniversary .
Speaker 2Okay , okay . Oh , it looks like Steve said rideshare professor did that . Well , if he created that , I just think it's a badass . It , just it , just yeah , it's a nice drawing , and then it .
Speaker 2Look , you know it's got the chains through the car and the the fist . He did a great job . I absolutely love that . So again , I'm not anti Whoops , I'm not anti Strike by any means . I mean I'm in my own bus union and stuff like that . I'm for , you know , solidarity and all that things . I just don't think it can work in this plot and this , the way this works , like I don't in , with all the drivers and so many different things . And we've talked about before how they've kind of preyed on these drivers that they have to work , like they're making such a little amount that if they don't work one day they're not gonna be able to pay their rent and so yeah , but Jim , and he said that's his next hat off , fuck yeah .
Speaker 2Maybe take the the words out of it . I don't know I whoever drew that . I don't know if the rideshare professor drew drew it . Somebody drew that , but that's probably a I created you think so , cuz , that looks really good .
Speaker 3It is really good . Yeah , that's what caught my eye . I'm with you . You know I'm not against strikes by any means , but we're just , you know , we don't . We don't the drivers , you don't . You don't know the other drivers , right , you don't have that sense of solidarity that you do if you're at a factory and you're , you know You're , working away together every day , side by side , and doing things like that . It's just hard to get People to do anything together .
Speaker 2Yeah , two license plays probably AI you don't know mark . Yeah , steve brings up a good point , though it's . It's not a strike , it's not , it's a protest . Because you're not an employee , you know it's a protest . But anyways , good luck to everyone that's doing it . I'm sure a lot of people will do it and I'm sure a lot of people will make a lot of money . I Right , probably all right . Let's use that ghost . Let's move on to the next one .
Understanding the Challenges of Rideshare Earnings
Speaker 3Okay this story is . It's kind of hard to believe .
Speaker 2So this is a story about About a lady who she's 33 years old said she made 103,000 in gross earnings in 2022 driving for Lyft and Uber , but she brought home Just $19,000 and if you remember I don't know if it was the last show with the Esper , maybe the show before we talked about Something another guy too that made all this money , but then his actual take-home was like so little , so maybe it's kind of .
Speaker 3First of all , the first of all they have to be , they have to be quoting you know the amount that that they show on your taxes , oh , the total amount which shows what the riders paid to , which is so yeah , so stupid , exactly because you just have to back that out . So that's gonna back out a bit . But it also says , after taking home 19,000 after ubers and Lyft , commissions , taxes , car maintenance expenses and gas . So car maintenance who knows what I mean that could be ? You know who knows what that could be ? Yeah , I think she was driving a Ford expedition . Mm-hmm , she said that cost her $800 a month .
Speaker 2Probably just in the gas .
Speaker 3Well , yeah , maybe , maybe more in gas than that . Yeah so you got to look at the whole picture . I mean , you know , if you're Making that much , if you're making over hundred thousand , you only bring home 19 . You're doing something wrong .
Speaker 2No , it's not , it maybe as she's it . Well , she is doing something wrong . But if you're still continuing to do it , I mean you all right . While you're working out there , you should run just some basic numbers you don't have to be like super technical , but if you're realizing the penny . Yeah , if you're realizing you're eating you know you're eating up with all this gas and all this other stuff like , especially if you're a full-time driver . You know for me to drive that pilot full-time would be it would be nuts .
Speaker 3How much gas at you , so make sure you're , you will put on some miles and we use some gas . I was just starting to do my taxes . Other day , I mean last year , I drove like 45,000 miles just for gig work 40 , 42 of that was for gig work and you only do three thousand personal miles , shit Dear .
Speaker 3God , I mean , you know , I mean I will turn my apps on . Like when I , if I go visit my daughter over in Murray , you know I'll turn my apps on . Or when I come up to Michigan you know , have my apps on . You didn't know . Yeah , I can't drive . I can do food delivery and other things like that . So yeah some of that , you know , is kind of kind of fluff miles , but you will . You will put on some miles if you do it full-time .
Speaker 2So I drove . My business miles was 13,800 for gig work , but my personal mileage is 21,000 . Now that includes bus driving , because I have this app and I don't categorize everything . I just do business or personal . So every time I drive the bus and everything . So total mileage was like 35,000 , but obviously that wasn't all in my vehicle but um but yeah , 21,000 personal and 13,000 For business .
Speaker 1Holy shit , larry , 42,000 .
Speaker 2Good thing you're got you , the good thing you wrecked that car .
Speaker 3That's a good thing . Get rid of that squeak man .
Speaker 1So have you done your taxes yet Just started on .
Speaker 3Okay , I'd be curious what your deduction ?
Speaker 2well , I mean you can figure it out . I guess you just take the 42 times 63 point . I don't know if it , if it's actually that simple . But I could pull that up to you , but I don't even know if it's that simple , if they , if they give you the Like , literally that's your deduction like six , forty , two thousand times 63 , point , whatever it is . Yeah are you doing it now just for schizong ?
Speaker 3No , no , go ahead , I'm going to talk . I was . I think I thought I got my um like my . I use stride to For my miles and I thought I got my . Like I think I thought .
Speaker 2I even , even if you do it at 63 . That's 20 or 63 cents a mile , that's $26,000 deduction .
Speaker 3Yeah , that's not bad .
Speaker 2Oh my god okay , uh , moving on , let's see so Larry shared this photo . What was the gist on this ?
Speaker 3I mean stuff like this is it's like how pointless can it , can it be so you might get around ? You might as well say between one minute and and in sometime this year . Okay , sometimes I mean with 17 to 48 minutes .
Speaker 1That doesn't mean , that doesn't help me .
Speaker 3You know that's , that's totally pointless .
Speaker 2Trying to see what time it is , if it's like in the middle of the day . I think 156 maybe I can't quite tell , but it's all jumbled up there . I can't tell yeah , but I mean you know .
Speaker 3If it says it's you know Between two minutes and 10 minutes , you know maybe that you know that's good , you know . But sometimes it'll say you know two to five minutes . That that's very helpful .
Speaker 2Well , I think they're just doing to 48 . Well , they're just doing the average , they're just taking how long . I mean , if it's busy at night , it's never gonna say 17 to 48 minutes , is gonna say two to five minutes . I just think they're saying well .
Speaker 3Yeah , I think they needed just their other range .
Speaker 2I just think they shouldn't put it up there . If it's that bad to say you're fucked , go home yeah .
Speaker 3You're not getting a ride tonight , just flash up on the screen , good night . Good night yeah you're done , you're done , you're done Bye-bye .
Speaker 2That's hilarious .
Speaker 2Um all right . Moving on , uh , we have a new sponsor . It is kim with kimside money plans . So kim and I , uh uh , decided to do some swaps . So she's talking about our show , uh , on her show , which you can catch after my show is done at nine . See how this works . We have steves and then we have mine and then kim .
Speaker 2So kim uh has just started her podcast
Youtuber and Awkward Uber Discussion
Speaker 2. The link is in the description of my uh , of the of the pod or whatever . Whatever it's in the description , um , and she's been a youtuber for over three years . She has almost 7 000 subscribers and she's passionate about the gig economy , especially door dash . She does it full time and she does six , has 16 different apps . So , like I'm impressed with that because I thought I was the only one that had .
Speaker 2Like you know , I think they call it a , a schedule c each time . Each app is like a schedule c for my accountant and usually I have five or six , but she has 16 . Like if she literally has to turn 16 in , that's going to be crazy . But she's , like I said , full-time driver . She's has over 11 000 deliveries on door dash and 20 000 between all the apps . Great , great lady , a hard ass worker . Very fun to watch the live stream , so she'll be on at nine o'clock tonight , but check out her podcast . Anywhere you download podcasts , just search kim's side money plans and uh , yeah , check it out . I think it's . I think it's going to be good . The more people in the podcast space , the better .
Speaker 2I think uh , personally , just because , uh , you're able to , uh you know , when you're able to collab and stuff , it's just great and I really appreciate her uh , willing to talk about my show because , yeah , we're trying to grow this show now that , yes , or I mean I'm stuck with this , this old coop , now , and so yeah , I just speaking , uh , speaking of a former host .
Speaker 3Yes , for when I shout out to ben in on facebook tonight . Yeah , I wanted to say a yeah , good old ben .
Speaker 2Ben . So yeah , check out kim's podcast . Appreciate her giving me the opportunity to talk about it . All right , larry , so no , we skipped that one .
Speaker 1So this is uh just a quick fun video about Um .
Speaker 2He just talks about how he thinks his driver was five star . We'll watch it at 36 seconds . So you think european people please or no for sure .
Speaker 1So I just took an uber to the airport and as I was getting out of the uber , the driver didn't put the car in park and drove over the back of my foot , the back of my heel my shoe is still the tire mark was trapped underneath the wheel . I'm banging on the window . I'm like dude , back up , back up , back up . He's like why ? I'm like you're on my foot . It didn't break anything , I'm fine , but it also really did not feel good . He gets out of the car . He's freaking out . He's like I'm so sorry , I'm so sorry , I'm so . I'm like you're fine , it's all good . Who hasn't driven over a foot ? It's all good . Dude , I'm walking away . I'm like limping . I'm still getting five stars . Come on , it happens .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1That was great .
Speaker 2I loved his attitude . I hope that's what actually happened . Well , I'm , I'm . I mean , I don't want him to get his foot run over , but yeah , I love his attitude about it . We need more people like that , um yes , have you ever ? Got your foot run over by a car . I have those that hurt I was uh , yeah , well , I mean I'm sure , if you're , if you're , if your foot's on its side and it runs over like press pressure on the bone , like that , but if it's flat .
Speaker 3Yeah , it's . It sounds like it just got his like the his heel too . It's not like it didn't like completely run over his foot . But yeah , I agree with you , though . What , what , what a cool attitude for somebody to have . I mean , you know how it is Some people , I mean , they'd be ready to sue you for everything you had , you know yeah , uh for something like that . There was clearly an accident . Clearly the driver didn't mean to run over his foot .
Speaker 2Yeah , I would be mortified if I did that ?
Speaker 3Oh , yes , I would too . Oh , I would too .
Speaker 2I did one time bump a lady backing up . She was she really got out of the car and I had to . I had pulled to drop them off and I hadn't . I had pulled too close to make the turn right to turn out . So I just backed up a little bit and she was standing right behind me and that was in my pilot , which has , you know , 2010, . It has a backup camera , but it's it's like this small , in my rearview mirror and it's black and white , so I didn't see her and I kind of bumped like the last second and I did kind of bumper , I got out .
Speaker 2I'm like , oh my gosh , she's like totally fine , I , you just grazed me . I'm like , oh thanks , Can you imagine career over ?
Speaker 1I would if I ran her over .
Speaker 2that's it . That would have not been good so .
Speaker 3Yep , yep , I think you would have been getting one of those emails from from Uber . Somebody has been slightly harmed slightly inconvenienced .
Speaker 2Yes so continuing with tradition on the show , we give the , the other host , an uncomfortable story to talk about , and that's Larry tonight , because I prepared the show , so when Larry's turned then he can give it to me .
Speaker 3All right , yeah , I've . I definitely feel like I'm taking yes or his place now . So so , uh , are you going to put this on screen or ?
Speaker 2I don't think I have . I don't think I have a photo . Okay , that's cool , I'll just read it . Yeah , no , I don't have a photo .
Speaker 3So anyway , um , so , uh , there's a story out of Florida , naturally . So , um says . While taking an Uber home to his $655,000 townhouse , a Florida man exposed his genitals and pleasureed himself to completion , forcing the driver to clean the mess up behind on his front seat . It says , uh , the driver picked up the passenger in Tampa , drove him to St Pete , where the guy owns a residence with his husband . While in route , hagerty displayed and exposed his penis and proceeded to masturbate the duration of the ride . Until arriving home , the driver told cops he speaks no English and was unable to tell the defendant to stop , though he did use his phone to record the defendant masturbating .
Speaker 2Oh , what the hell ? Why ?
Speaker 3Yeah , you're driving and you use your phone to take this , but you can't figure out a way to tell him to stop .
Speaker 3And then it also said in a rest after David noted there was a third unknown person in the vehicle's back seat who spoke up for the victim at the conclusion of the ride . So this guy , the passenger . He's a licensed nurse practitioner . He was arrested yesterday for exposure exposure of sexual organs and booked in the county jail . During hearing today a judge ordered Hagerty released from custody . Um , they suspect alcohol may have been involved .
Speaker 4No shed .
Speaker 3They also ordered him to have no contact with the driver , and the defendant shall not use Uber , lyft , ride share or any assisted means of transportation while the case is pending . So he's going to have to either walk or drive , or drive himself or ride a bike or drive a lawn mower or whatever he has to do . But the students ? A nurse practitioner . He's a nurse practitioner .
Speaker 2I can do it with these comments .
Speaker 1That killed me .
Speaker 2No kidding If .
Speaker 3I get any distraction , I'm in trouble . Well , while the guy's filming you , I know he's driving . That's the part that threw me . I mean not that this didn't all throw me , but but the guy said he didn't speak English so he couldn't tell him to stop . But he can film , he can take out his camera and film it .
Speaker 2I would just start punching the guy in the temple , If I mean I would just , yeah , just pull over .
Speaker 3and I mean , if I can't speak the language I can , motion you get out . You get out now , yeah .
Speaker 2Oh , that is so uncomfortable , Like oh my gosh , yes , it is .
Speaker 3That's a horrific . That's focused right there . Really horrific .
Speaker 2All right , continuing with the gross things . So this picture right here , this guy and I know this is just fake , but well I'm there might be pee in those bottles , but the comment is this is my hot bag for non tippers . I fill up each bottle with my special lemonade I make . It keeps the food nice and warm and the condensation from the bottle helps keep the food extra hot and adds flavor to the food for my special customers . Again , I'm 99.99999% sure that's not true , but that's , that's funny . I haven't seen one like that . But how are you peeing those bottles , sir , without spilling all over the place ? I'll be perfectly honest . I see those at the side of the road . I'm like , if I don't have a Gatorade bottle , it's not happening .
Speaker 3Hey , that's also takes focus , so it does it definitely does .
Speaker 2Let's see moving forward . I want you guys to check out this octopus tablet , so the link is in the description If you haven't heard of it . I mean living under a rock at this point , but well , I guess for new drivers for sure didn't mean to offend the new drivers , but this is a tablet that you put in your car . Your passengers can play trivia on it . They have information about you as a driver , they can win cash prizes and stuff like that . So it's a really cool thing . They send you the tablet , the charger , everything you literally just put in the back of your car and keep it plugged in . That is the extent of the commitment for you . You're a full-time driver , which Larry kind of is . I mean I don't know what your payout's been on that , but they say you can make up to $100 .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'd have to look . I know I've made it 75 in a month . Okay , I'm not sure if I've made 100 , but yeah , it's , the passengers love it , especially the nighttime people . They ask . Especially they're a little tipsy . I was saying nighttime they play some trivia they love it the daytime people not so much .
Speaker 2I keep on muted , as I think you do during the day ? Yes , I do .
Speaker 3During the night , turn the volume on , but nothing like having three drunk ass people at two o'clock in the morning back there arguing over trivia . I told you that was the wrong answer you idiot , you know , but it's a great company though .
Speaker 2Yeah , it is the best part is they think they're doing good and then they see their score compared to everyone else and like , oh yeah , they can't believe it . They can't believe it Anyway and you talked about that .
Speaker 3They give away cash prizes to the passengers . You can also win cash as a driver , as Jason can well tell you .
Speaker 2Yes , I got my 1099 from them just recently and I won $1,000 last year from them randomly Ka-ching yeah .
Speaker 3And supposedly they have like 40,000 tablets out there , so do they really ? I mean ?
Speaker 1it's not like that's what they say .
Speaker 3That's what he said . I listened to his podcast the other day . They said they have 40,000 . Wow , good for them .
Speaker 2Yeah , they're a great company .
Speaker 3They really are completely focused on making the tablet the best it can be . They're updating it constantly with new content . You don't have to do anything like .
Speaker 2Jason said you mount it in the back of your car . Let it go . The only issue I have and I don't know if Larry's had this , but like I don't drive during the week and it will go dead or it'll just turn off . Sometimes I have trouble turning it on . If you hit the power button and the volume down button for 10 seconds , it somehow fires it up . Appreciate it .
Speaker 3I don't know what it is , but I have to do that every time before Now .
Speaker 2if you're driving regularly , you could leave it in there and it knows when you stop driving . Yeah , I don't ever take mine out .
Speaker 3Yeah , you drive almost every day though , but I'm just saying it knows when you're not driving so it doesn't like waste battery and stuff like that .
Speaker 2I mean , obviously , if you live in there , oh yeah , yeah , within , I don't know .
Speaker 3I've never timed it to see what the sleep time is , but it goes to sleep after you've been sitting for so long .
Speaker 2All right , Larry , let's do two more and get out of this bi-hutch .
Speaker 3All right , let's do it so let's see .
Delivery Confrontation and Uber's Tipping System
Speaker 2Do you have a video for this one ? Yeah , it's a TikTok . I didn't know if you wanted to .
Speaker 3Yeah , I'll enter this a little bit . So basically this is a food delivery . I think it's DoorDash . This DoorDash driver delivered to a girl who was working in a TJ Maxx and then later on she notices that the delivery has been marked as it never showed up Right , and so she goes back a max and confronts the girl that that she brought the food to and ask her why , why did you say it was not completed ? Yeah and we were not recommending you confront people like this .
Speaker 3No , because you never know what kind of white job is going to be on the other side of that , but definitely report them Right . So yeah , we'll show this video real quick .
Speaker 4Hello , like I delivered food to you earlier and you said that you didn't get it , and now I have a contract violation . Oh , I don't know , my friend , my name is Jalea and my friend , she ordered it for me , so I'm not too sure really yeah . Okay , I could call my friend , because that is weird . Okay , so confirming that you did get it , though , right ?
Speaker 4Yeah okay , I did , my friend called . My friend ordered it for me . I don't know if she might have refunded it or something or anything , but I could call it Okay , thank you , I .
Speaker 3Lying like a rug right .
Speaker 2Well , I think that was like the most pleasant interaction . I've seen on those I when , I when .
Speaker 3I watched it beforehand it was usually they get , they get pretty , yeah , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2I did kind of track down the comments and it they did get it removed . I don't know what happened . She didn't really explain it , but I really I really love on tiktok when creators will explain it in the comments when like updates , because it kind of like Don't know what happened .
Speaker 3Yeah , yeah , you see it . And then , yeah , you're like , wow , I wonder , you know what's ? What's the rest of the story ? How did it end up ?
Speaker 2Yeah , no follow-up and , as you know , I'm not gonna really work hard to try to follow it up . I'm like I need something easy , but I guess it did get removed , so yeah that's good , yeah , that's good , all right .
Speaker 2So last story , uh uber's . I thought that was interesting . It's uh uber's hidden cost the surprising truth behind tipping and driver pay . And I never , when I'm when I read this , you'll be like , yeah , jason duh , but like I never applied it to to ride share , I only thought like door-dash , you know they're not paying enough base pay , they're expecting tips , but um , so let's see the ceo , one hotel ownership group , actually said the quiet part out loud .
Speaker 2Hotels encourage tipping housekeepers Because it means they can pay the housekeepers less or avoid paying them more . There's a wage that necessarily attract . There's a wage that's necessary to attract enough workers . Whether that wage is coming from the guests or the hotel doesn't matter . If more comes from the guests , the hotel doesn't need to pay as much to fully staff the apartment . For instance , you know , a worker might accept employment or then accept uh with making 20 per hour . It doesn't matter if the 20 from the employer or 15 from the employer and five from the guests . Um , however , the lack of certainty in tipping might mean they need six or seven dollars from guests to consider it at break even , but it still lets the hotel pay three or four dollars less .
Speaker 2That's exactly what's happened at uber . They introduced tipping . Ubers pays their drivers less . They can't get enough drivers on the road precisely because drivers accept that while uber doesn't pay as much , the customer might make up the tip . What's happening , though , is uber is paying drivers less and people are tipping less than drivers have expected . That's reduced driver pay , which encourages better drivers with other opportunities to leave the platform . They're replaced by different drivers and often less expensive , older and less well maintained vehicles . It's one reason the overall uber experience has gotten so bad . So , uh , really interesting data that shows light on driver pay and tipping behavior . They found that uber drivers made 17.1 percent less in 2023 than the year before . Uh 51 of food and grocery driver income comes from tips . That figure is just 10 percent for rides or drivers , in part because expected tipping isn't happening . Only 28.3 of rides earned , compared to 88.5 of the grocery delivery . So , wow , I never really thought about that . You know that uber is doing the same thing as as door dash .
Speaker 3Basically , sure , yeah and it's kind of disheartening Getting rid of pain less .
Speaker 2Uh , a couple of stats . I thought that was interesting . The most expensive ride share trip last year cost $1,277 from LA to Vegas . One customer tipped $176 on a $688 fair Was . I don't know why they said that . Does that mean that was the biggest tip ? That can't be right .
Speaker 3No , that can't be right .
Speaker 2The longest trip was from . Uh was 562 miles from Knoxville to Chicago and then one Kansas city uber driver did 72 trips in a day and a door dash driver made 85 deliveries in one day in Anchorage . So that was some kind of some fun tips , but yeah , I never really thought about that , but that makes total sense . That like that's kind of what uber is doing , and I'm sure you found um Out as well that the tipping is just not there for these apps .
Speaker 3Yeah , the tip fatigue thing that we've discussed before . Yeah you know everybody's asking for a tip . Now you know , no wonder we you know so many places go in . They flip that screen around . You know , do you want a tip ? Do you want a tip ? And yeah , yeah , I think people , you know they feel like there's hit , hit with that everywhere and I think it makes them less inclined to .
Speaker 2The problem is too , is going back to the example of the housekeeper . So they're expecting $5 from the customer , right ? Are these housekeepers actually figuring it out and saying , hey , you offered me 20 , I'm not making 20. , I'm making 17 . Are you gonna cover the ? You know what I mean . Are you gonna cover the difference ? Especially , you know I mean waiting tables . You know you get 252 an hour or whatever , $3 an hour , and then we're not guaranteeing you any wage ?
Speaker 2It's just that's what you make . But if you present it as you're gonna make 20 and you're only making 17 , are they going to them and say , hey , you need to pay the difference ? Probably not , probably , not , yeah . So it's one of those things where I never think a story would , you know , really hit . But like it's like , yeah , it's just like fucking door-dash .
Speaker 3So , jim and Jim , these on it .
Speaker 2Oh my god , get this guy doing some stand-up .
Speaker 3I'll tell you what he'll be here all week folks .
Speaker 2He'll be here all week , so Well , I appreciate everyone that joined the show tonight . I really appreciate Steve for sending people over . It really means a lot Thanks , Steve . Head over to Kim's channel . It looks like the driven dad said it's Zach and Kim's podcast on her live , so I don't know what that is . I thought it was her regular live , but maybe it's not . Maybe her regular live is Tuesday , but either way , fucking go over there and watch it and subscribe to her channel and check it out .
Speaker 2Definitely download her podcast as well . Anywhere you get podcasts . Kim's side money plans . What do you think ? How you think you did Larry , did you ? You're all done being nervous .
Speaker 3Oh yeah , I mean , uh yeah , it was all good . I mean , we've got such a good people on here , I'm not nervous , yeah , for sure Now . I didn't talk to you about this , but we are going to continue the sign-off .
Speaker 2So I'll do the swear word . Okay , so you don't have to do that , but so I didn't matter . So I say don't put up with anyone's bullshit . And you say we will see you on the road . That's right . Have a good night , guys night . This podcast is produced and edited by hey guys media group . Want to start a podcast ? Check out hey guys media group . Hey .
