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Ep #156 Doordash Driver makes 100k per year and Uber CEO shocked at the price for a 3 mile trip.
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Prepare to get up close and personal with the realities of driving for Lyft and Uber, as we debate the highs, the lows, and how to make the most of your earnings.
Ever wondered how gig economy workers fare in the breathtaking landscapes of Hawaii? We're about to blow your mind with a success story straight from the island paradise. Hear from a DoorDash driver who raked in over $114,000 in a year and discover his strategies for success. We'll also shine a light on the challenges faced by Amazon Flex groups during peak periods and how they navigate these hurdles.
Tipping - we've all been there, right? It's a minefield of differing customs, ethics, and expectations. We're diving into this contentious topic, sparked by DoorDash's new tipping feature. Listen to us weigh in on the debate, share our own stories and strategies, and reveal the potential implications of this industry shake-up. Tune in and join us on this enlightening journey through the gig economy.
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Speaker 1Hey guys, welcome to the gig economy podcast. Yes, first, like mouth of me something before I hit the main screen. I'm like what, what did you say?
Speaker 3I didn't say you were saying me. Oh, you're like shaking your head on me.
Speaker 1I think why oh, because you were Lou.
Speaker 3Yeah, I.
Speaker 1Thought he was stroking out. Thanks guys so much for joining us. This is episode 156. I believe 56. If you can do me a favor if you can hit that like button, subscribe on YouTube and, of course, on Facebook. We really appreciate it. Had the gig economy show calm for our newsletter that. We said quarterly so. We sent one out for July, so September maybe.
Speaker 3Well, we send out. We send out one and like a notice Monday morning, tuesday, when they show, whenever the show posts and I get around to it. Yeah, we send out a notice. So, but I do, I Want to, I want to engage with all you guys to please go and sign up for our newsletter, because this is a great way for us to kind of talk with you and we don't have that many subscribers. I'd like to see a bump in the subscribers, so we should not already signed up?
Speaker 1go sign up. We should put an Easter egg in there somehow, can you? Can you do that and like if someone finds it would get like a keychain?
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Speaker 1I'd like to thank our patreon members Larry from bowling green, samson from Grand Rapids, steve from Colorado, chris from Grand Rapids, bud Dickman from North Carolina, tom Kelly from Houston, houston, omar from Detroit, delivery cats from Michigan, jamie from Tennessee and our new subscriber as of this week we can't thank you enough Frank from Billy, who is on the B side.
Speaker 3Last week, he was, and so you haven't listened to that. Go listen to that, because Frank has some cool stories. What was so cool about it? I just thought it was cool that that he is here and he's been doing him for a long time and he's, you know, doing doing the thing, doing the thing.
Speaker 1The uniqueness of Frank in that episode is he drives all over nights and likes long trips, which is like I don't know. I think he's getting better fares than we are, because the long trips here are terrible. Right, I've seen stuff from Detroit to GR for like a hundred and three dollars.
Speaker 3Well and we had talked, we have. We have two things about that tonight. One of my stories, yeah, and then we actually have later somebody in the Grand Rapids group that posted two screenshots out of Detroit and and thanked for the great fairs. Yeah, it's like they're not grab dinner. Great fairs at all, yeah.
Speaker 1If you want to join Frank in the patreon, go to patreoncom. Slash the gig econ podcast or just search the gig economy podcast At the higher tier you get Add free episodes, and so you don't listen the ads, you get your own RSS feed. Pre-show banter. After the third month you get a t-shirt and yeah, what else am I missing on there? Oh, we do extra shows after sometimes. We're not gonna do one today because I've had a long day.
Speaker 1But at least once a month, you'll get an extra show. So, yeah, go ahead and join and support us if you want to. If you don't, that's okay too. Just support us by listening support by listening.
Speaker 3That's important. Yes, and if you do have the means and the wants, the, the means and the wants, the wants and the means and the means and the wants, and months on, wow hey, thomas.
Speaker 1Thanks for joining again. Hey, steve, I'll be at on Steve's show tomorrow night. I'm actually hosting the show.
Speaker 2It's fucking.
Speaker 1Steve like does an amazing job. He sends me this. First of all he goes just run it like how you'd want to run it. I was like, okay, steve, I did get your text. I apologize, it's been crazy day, I'm all set. But then he sends a super detailed thing and then I'm like, okay, now I'm under pressure like this thing, so it'll be fun. He knows, I I know how to run a show, so I'm a little nervous. But join me tomorrow night at 9 pm Eastern, 6 pm Pacific, on the right, your rodeo baby, maybe I'll join you, yeah you should, I can join you, so come on.
Speaker 3So obviously I think we did talk about it, but you know, go to patreoncom slash new Econ podcast. I think that's what it is. Why are you laughing at me?
Speaker 1It's the gig Econ gig Econ podcast yeah it's got to be short like that. That's why.
Speaker 3I was the gig icon podcast just tell people search. Yeah, and do support us. I really appreciate that at all, so oh, you mixed it up.
Speaker 1I'm doing the telegram group. I you were supposed to do patreon. I did, I know, I wasn't even looking if you want to join the telegram group, which we really would like. It's like the water cool for the gig economy, which a lot of people struggle in. The gig economy. The other night Either you weren't out yet or Frank was out and then Ben was out and I was like somebody fucking talk to me like I'm bored out of my mind like and they didn't they were busy doing same as me going back home.
Speaker 1Yeah, I bet it was just a ghost town.
Speaker 3But we'll talk about that later. We already did talk about the B side again. If you haven't listened to it, go and listen to it again. This is all about Frank Yep, and he is just a good guy, do you remember?
Speaker 1what we have for next week. I do not, so we have a pretty big youtuber, so you all need to show up. His name is Pedro and just an incredible creator on YouTube and a gig worker, and it's gonna be really fun to have him on the show. That is awesome. What time?
Speaker 3Well, normal time, right? What's eight o'clock?
Speaker 18 pm Eastern.
Speaker 38 pm Eastern Eastern daylight and it time that's generally the B side is generally half an hour to 40 minutes, yeah depends on how it fits.
Speaker 1Yeah, roughly. Yeah, roughly 30 minutes it's an easy read, easy listen.
Speaker 3This one ain't no, I know so. Do you want me to just come into my?
Speaker 1story.
Speaker 2Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 3I drove last weekend and and I think it was on fire, it was, it was just. It's one of those weekends that for me is gonna go down in his, into his and I had a terrible, I had a terrible ride, isn't that? Interesting sometimes, like you and I will hit and miss, like I will have a great week Weekend and then you will just have a shitty weekend. I know giving up and stuff.
Speaker 3I don't know what it was. So anyways, I was out, I started Friday night. I started at 8, 39 o'clock roughly. That went at that time and it just went normal. I mean, it was normal normally. If I hit 100 hours before midnight, it's, it's gonna be an okay night. Okay, and I hit 90. So close enough, fine enough, whatever, and so you know about 1240. It Just starts going crazy. I mean, I start getting Excel rights left and right, really from down.
Speaker 1Were you downtown at that time?
Speaker 3No, I was down on here on the east side, oh okay, and so I got. I mean, I was, I got an a. I got an Excel rights Assigned at the airport 18 minutes away. Right, okay, and it's okay, something's going on. No, actually, at the time I got the first one assigned, it's like okay, apparently there's no Excel out, you're only one out. So cuz you know why I was with the poor me 18 minutes.
Speaker 3Yeah then, when it get got time to me to get it, it was, I still hadn't Excel at the airport, but it was somebody else.
Speaker 4Mmm, so it had been reassigned yeah so it's like, okay, something is up.
Speaker 3Yeah, so I get to the airport. So with to, the story goes that last weekend we had a big storm going through Grand Rapids and go into the area. So normally on a normal Friday night I think, we probably have five flights after midnight, maybe not a ton. No right, this was. I was at the airport at probably 1245. Okay, and I am not lying. If I there was, it was black of people. Okay, they were telling me that 15 to 20 flight flights had been diverted into little ground rapids.
Speaker 1Oh, really yeah.
Speaker 3I mean, it was so bad that the, the surrounding hotels have stopped giving out, you know, reservations. They just said show up.
Speaker 1Oh, figure something out, oh wow.
Speaker 3Cuz there was people were calling them and there was like five or six people in line trying to reservation when they're out there and you figure there's probably what?
Speaker 1150 people per plane I know. So this was.
Speaker 3This was ridiculous. Okay, I mean this was just and to to to. That was the rental place to. Car rental closes at midnight. I know that is the.
Speaker 1Grand Rapids is so backwards on a lot of stuff like this so stupid, I know and a lot of the people go back and go around and leave at midnight, yeah.
Speaker 3So all of a sudden this it was just crazy busy and I mean if you were out driving you were cleaning up. Yeah that I. So so I pull in. I got my Excel right. It was a guy who was gonna go Downtown. He needed an Excel because he had golf crops with him. Okay, he was supposed to go to Chicago where he had a Wedding to attend and he was gonna go golf. So he had brought his golf clubs out of New York and so I called him because I got in that he wasn't there as I called him. Hey, what's up? You know, there's people asking. I mean, literally every two minutes. People were like knocking on my window.
Speaker 3Do you have a family. Yep, sorry, and he goes. I'm here, I'm waiting for my suitcases. I will give you 40 dollars if you're in another 10 minutes.
Speaker 4That's what he said, so it's like okay, well, okay.
Speaker 3I'll wait 10 minutes, I'm okay with that. And then 10 minutes went and and he still wasn't there. So I called you know he takes and say texted me he goes 60s in for you if you keep waiting, okay. So another 10 minutes went by, he came out, right, okay, and he had to be $80 in cash.
Speaker 3Oh damn right and the fair turned into be because of everything, it ended up being a $35 fair because you also tip me $15 on the app. So from the granddad, from the airport, downtown, he stayed at the M O Grand. It was a hundred and fifteen dollars I made just in that one trip. So that was fine, damn it. And so airport was going crazy. There was fine. I get downtown, now it's two o'clock so the bar is out. Yeah, I get a guy assigned two British dudes, they were in a fight, and so one guy gets in in my car and he had like bloody knuckles, right, and he's like, oh, and he was drunk like shit, right. So he's like he gets in my car and he's just talking shit about all the other thing and whatever, and I take him home. So that's just, I take them home. It was fine. And I end up out by the airport, out by east ground up.
Speaker 1It's an immediately again I get assigned another ride.
Speaker 3Yeah, of course, but it wasn't at the airport, so I took another, another small ride, another small lady I took around. But here, here's where it gets interesting, so I drop her off. But it ten minutes, five minutes before I drop off, I get a ride assigned to Chicago. Okay, it comes up Excel to one on 22 dollars and I'm not going to Chicago. Yeah, it's like to.
Speaker 3by that time, it's like what it's 30 and 240, 230, oh man, so I declined it. I'm not going to Chicago. Yeah, not even a minute later I get the same ride assigned again.
Speaker 1That's strange. You must have been very few ex-L's out, because how would you get it again?
Speaker 3Like I know, you were kind of the closest is for it, so I decline it and within five minutes again it comes. So I got the same ride assigned three times. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna call the dude Some conversation. So I took the ride and I called him and I said you know, it's three o'clock in the morning, Okay.
Speaker 1I'm drunk.
Speaker 3He said. I said I need some extra cash to to to get home. Yeah, okay, I said I need you to give me 200,000 cash On top of what the ride is to get home, because I have to, I have to get at home and he goes. That's fair, wow.
Speaker 3I didn't anticipate that at all. It's like, okay, let me get over, let me come to you, let's talk. Because I drove over to him. He wasn't at the airport, he was actually at one of the hotels that they had tried and they couldn't get a room.
Rideshare and Gig Economy Experiences
Speaker 3No, and he's like fuck this I know but they were also a family of five, oh wow, right. So, and they had, they had a, they had a, they had a Reservation at one of the nicer hotels like downtown Chicago, like right by the water, right, yeah. So I mean, they definitely had them on. He was a, he was a lawyer or whatever, and there was a really cool rep, really cool trip. So, yeah, we got in. We stopped a couple of times. He paid for drinks and snacks and coffee or whatnot, and yeah, it's 200 on the app and 200,000 cash right, so did you.
Speaker 1I'm curious Did you look what he paid for that? No, you should go back.
Speaker 3I'm curious if he paid like 400 and I'm sure he did. I'm sure he did plus 200 a you so? Yep, but again, it was a cool ride they were. They were very nice and there was, you know, they were just chit chatting and sleeping half the way and and you know, him and his, so him and his wife and three children, which was overgrown over all adults.
Speaker 1So yeah, fine, oh, and they all sat in the back right. The guy didn't sit up front with you.
Speaker 3There was one of the kids sat on front. He just was sleeping. The front seat by you.
Speaker 1Yeah like the passenger seat right next to you. Yeah that's weird. I don't care. Well, I know, but why wouldn't he the whole family cuz I?
Speaker 3think he kind of wanted to just stay by himself and kind of listen to music and so it was fine, huh, but because he slept most of the way and it was totally fine, wow.
Speaker 1So yeah, no that was a cool trip and you got home at like what 9.30 in the morning.
Speaker 3I was home around 8.30. Oh my gosh, 8.30,. Yes, and I was tired because the last hour and a half I was like I had my roof was open and all the windows was open on the highway and I had loud music and I was just dancing to the music.
Speaker 1Pushing yourself in the nuts.
Speaker 3And singing out loud because I was tired and there was nobody talking. That's rough, that's rough, that was nobody talking, but I really enjoyed it. It was a cool trip and at that rate I just couldn't say no. I mean I fully anticipated him saying no, forget that. Yeah, I'm not giving you an extra $200 in cash.
Speaker 1It's so interesting that you kept getting it. It means either that you were very few ex-ells or people kept denying it and it just kept coming back to you like around.
Speaker 3Robin, it was just. Yeah, I've never had a fan and three times it got assigned to me.
Speaker 1I don't think I've ever had that happen.
Speaker 3Now the third time. The base fare was $20 cheaper per kit. Well, yeah, yeah, well, it's $20. I know right. So, I still end up making $400 on whatever.
Speaker 1Wow, well, congratulations, what a great night.
Speaker 3By the way, Lyft came immediately. Lyft didn't do the whole Uber shit, while it waits 24 hours for it to post. Oh, really no. Lyft posted immediately.
Speaker 1Yeah, Lyft never does that. I don't know why Uber does.
Speaker 3So that was interesting and then Saturday just went out. Pretty well, I went out Saturday too and, yeah, I did $300 Saturday.
Speaker 1So right now, so the Friday well, that was really good. So the Friday night I had the night that, yes, were cleaned up. I ended up. It was so so. So when I get on those quests I feel like I have to go out early because I'm like 60 rides. I got to pound these out, right. So I go out at like 530. And I've got like nine rides by 930. I mean, that's OK, I guess, but it was still like just like pulling teeth.
Speaker 3I know you said that Just sitting around.
Speaker 1So all of a sudden I get this request to White Cloud and I was like fuck it, I don't care, it was a comfort, you know what I mean. It was 41 miles, so I take it and I'm driving and I'm just like, no, remember, I got this electric car right, so I can't just go get gas. So I'm thinking, ok, now we're at 82 miles round trip. This is going to kill me. So I dropped them off. It was fine. No tip, by the way, from them Fucking bullshit, I know.
Speaker 3Why does up with that?
Speaker 1So then, on my way home, I get a request from Cedar Springs, and I missed to see where it was going, but it was 10 miles east from where I was, because you know where Alpine is where.
Speaker 3White.
Speaker 1Cloud is, and then Cedar Springs by 131. So I was like, ah, fuck it, so I go there, I pick them up. They're going to the casino. So I go all the way to the casino and I'm like I have 25 miles left on my car.
Speaker 3Wait, were you getting anxious?
Speaker 1I knew I'd make it to Granville, but that was the closest charger. Was Granville Like the casino doesn't have any chargers?
Speaker 3Why do?
Speaker 1they have a charger. I don't know they have more money than God Like. Put in Tesla chargers or something, Something right. But yeah, so that was my Friday night. I went back home or I went to the charger, charged 100 miles of storm roll in and I went home with the bet.
Speaker 3And now you're like why didn't I go back out? I don't know.
Speaker 1I don't know, but I ended up the rest of the weekend. I did Amazon Flex At that point. If you don't have enough rides in for that 60, by Friday night you need at least 25 rides in.
Speaker 3I did get my 45 ride bonus though. Still, yeah, that's amazing, which was stupid because it was 45 dollars.
Speaker 1Ask me if I picked an Uber one this weekend. I did not. I did pick a Lyft one 30 rides for, like I don't know, 75 bucks.
Speaker 3I don't know, my Lyft is just ridiculous. I don't even know why. Now I finished one, so maybe I'll try getting better.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'd be curious. It's up already, you can check.
Speaker 3Yeah, I know, I checked early and it wasn't up yet. It wasn't up yet, no.
Speaker 1And the other story I have from the road. I know we're like 20 minutes in, but, like man, amazon has been so crazy around here. It took a shit during Prime Week or Prime Day and there's like fighting in the groups Because people are like don't fucking take them at base. And I get that you shouldn't. It's just so frustrating. When the money was like, the routes were just plentiful, you could try and just work two or three times a day if you wanted, and it's all of a sudden the last two days it's dried up again Like nothing.
Speaker 1So I don't, I mean, I know it's volume.
Speaker 3I get it, it's volume.
Speaker 1People maybe aren't ordering. I don't know why, but you would think, with back to school coming in 20 days like freaking Amazon would be like I know.
The Gig Economy in Hawaii
Speaker 3But I just got my Amazon, we just got our what is it like subscriptions? Got like fucking four boxes.
Speaker 1Oh, you're once a month. Yeah, the Amazon subscriptions, oh God, they hate you.
Speaker 3I know it was like cat food and all guys I was like 40 pound cat food back.
Speaker 1Oh my gosh, that's crazy. All right, gig economy in the news. This is a quick video, kind of cool, about a door dasher and Hawaii rakes in over $100,000 a year, that's so crazy. It seems crazy. It's a new story.
Speaker 2Welcome back. Economists in Hawaii Say the gig economy has provided people with flexible work options and its success as a testament to the potential that it holds.
Speaker 4As KONTV4 Cynthia Yip reports, a door dash driver in Hawaii is breaking all expectations by making more than $100,000 a year. It's all new at six.
Speaker 2This dasher in Hawaii has found a perfect recipe for success Delivering meals, groceries and pretty much anything else you could want. But more than that, he is serving up a lucrative income.
Speaker 4You can make a lot of money. You can make more than $100,000.
Speaker 1What's? The only driver Is all about you.
Speaker 2And it's all about the hustle. Ronald Coleman works seven days a week and between 12 to 20 hours a day his goal is to make $400 each day, so that works out to $33 to $20 an hour. When he looked at his 1099 in 2022, he saw he raked in $114,000. That even surprised him.
Speaker 4It's still mind blowing, especially doing it in a place like this. If you're willing to put the time and effort into yourself, it's going to pay off.
Speaker 2Economist Paul Brubaker says this is the new economy, with side hustles and non-traditional jobs. Now the new reality.
Speaker 4It's nothing wrong with having a 95.
Speaker 1Don't tell Jeff.
Speaker 4It's nothing wrong with doing things the traditional way, but when you think outside the box and you gain a lot of different knowledge because we have the technology in the world at the palm of our hand.
Speaker 2Coleman has been coming to Hawaii since 2005. In 2021, he moved to the island to live with his brother, who has been based at Schofield Barracks for more than 20 years. Since first coming here, coleman fell in love with Hawaii and its people On the shores and roads of Hawaii. Ronald Coleman hopes to continue to find success on his journey of opportunity. Cynthia Yip, ktv4, island.
Speaker 1Does she have any stroke when she says Hawaii?
Speaker 3No, I think that's how you say it.
Speaker 1when she's from there, yeah, but she's like really putting it in there, Like Hawaii.
Speaker 3But I think they're trying to make a point. No.
Speaker 1I think she's just one of those people that does that, but anyways, $114,000.
Speaker 3$114,000. But again, you're working. You're working probably on average $90 a week.
Speaker 1That's fucking insane. It's not worth it. And then again, all jokes aside, with Jeff with the door that has, like his car's, got to be smoked because I don't know what the land is like in Hawaii because as far as like in the city, is it a lot of driving, or does it? Seem suburb, to me like there's a lot more driving involved. My gosh, his car must be just smoked. Maybe, maybe, or it could be a card like John's, who just put.
Speaker 3Maybe it's just. Maybe he just bought a beater and he's doing cause I think he was doing mostly delivery.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh yeah. He only made that on DoorDash. He didn't make it on it. Well, maybe he made it on other stuff, but I don't know it's cool, but it's possible. It is possible. I think it's market dependent.
Speaker 3I could never do it in.
Speaker 1Grand Rapids.
Speaker 3Never Correct Ever. But you also have to be smart. Yeah, I mean. So that's the thing too, is he was smart about it.
Speaker 1And I think he has the advantage. There's probably not a lot of dashers out there. Probably not. I mean that's not a traditional job for the island at all.
Speaker 3Now everything is also more expensive in Hawaii.
Speaker 1I thought about that too, and so I'm wondering if the rates is higher. Yeah, and then when somebody tips 20%, well, you're tipping 20% off $50 instead of 30 in the states, because, well, I mean, hawaii isn't the states, but you know what I mean?
Speaker 3No, yeah, on the coast. Well yeah on the mainland. Well, good for him, though. No, absolutely.
Speaker 1Nothing a knock not against him at all no. I'm just saying that is crazy amount of hours. I don't think I could do that. No.
Speaker 3So this next one here is interesting. This is a way that a guy brings revenge to his non-tippers, which I think is kind of cool. So he goes. This was posted in the Spark Drive community. He goes. I'd be riding sparking at night, cutting people's TVs off that don't tip. Does that work? Well, I don't know, but he has a.
Speaker 1Roku.
Speaker 3That's a Roku remote and then he might have all the other remotes in the tube. Maybe this is probably just a tube, but yeah, maybe it does. I don't know if it does and maybe it's just a joke, but I still think it's fun, right. I mean it's a funny, funny kind of skip, whatever.
Speaker 1Yeah, it all depends, I'm sure. I don't know. Does the remote need to be registered? I don't know. I know they need to be paired up.
Speaker 3I think they do too, but it's kind of funny. Maybe it's a good idea, whatever.
Speaker 1I don't know. Anyway, any way to fuck a non-tipper like I'm all for. Janet said also why lots of visitors to us who don't know where to eat. Is that going to be you when you visit the states. Janet, Are you going to door dash?
Speaker 3everything. Yeah, I'll take you around. I can lift you around, Janet.
Speaker 1She's not going to. He ain't going to Uber you around, no probably not, Because they're still like now.
Speaker 3they're saying August 12.
Speaker 1Why even bother, even looking? I don't even know why they just keep pushing it off. Well, it's not Uber, it's Chickr.
Speaker 3You should be calling them. I tried that in the past. You can't.
Speaker 1There's nobody to call on Chickr Well email support then.
Speaker 3But even if you do, all they do is save you.
Speaker 1You got to keep doing it. Call the vet. Why Make it as big? Because last week I did bank and lift. Yeah, until they deactivate you again for being a lead foot.
Speaker 3I haven't got many tickets.
Speaker 1This is how AI will change the gig economy for the better. So I read this article, so bear with me, I don't know. It seems a little weird. So it talks about artificial intelligence could augment work and add more opportunities to the job market. Basically, what they're saying is that Fiverr data shows that freelancers are using AI as a tool that augments creative work, but doesn't replace humans. That's always the question, right? Could it replace this show, which it could In time? I think it could, sure, but it doesn't replace humans, it says. She says AI creating new jobs and opportunities because it speeds up manual and analog work along. Fleet freelancers spend more time on creative and interpersonal tasks. I mean, we all know that the creative is never. I mean, yes, you can AI something, but I think you're going to be able to sniff it out Like it just seems like that.
Speaker 1seems like AI creative, like someone didn't use their brain to do that.
Speaker 3Right and I mean a lot of what it's on. Take down the spark thing on the oh, I'm sorry, but a lot of. I mean my day job. I'm a web developer and we do a marketing agency, so we're talking a lot about how to be effectively use chat, gbg and some of the other AI services to create content, and it's still great content that they produce, but it's very clinical, yes, but what we are finding that is really beneficial is Google, the chat generator, the AI generated content. Does the research for us. Yeah, so that's interesting. So a lot of the points that they put in there is good. Slide your mic over a little bit Sorry.
Speaker 3Another point that they put into the content is good points.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 3And so at that point it's a lot easier to change content and make it sound better or different than having to recreate it.
Speaker 1No 100%. I mean we use it, we use it in our stuff and a lot of our posts.
Speaker 2And then I go in there and I'm like eh, that doesn't work.
Speaker 1That doesn't sound like something we would talk about. Absolutely Stuff like that.
Speaker 3But I think that article is talking more about those type of gig works. Yeah, then it's not your Uber and your Lyft yet, obviously, but I mean, I guess, how is it going to create more opportunities?
Speaker 1I guess I was reading the article and it was hard for me to figure that out. You know what I mean how is it going to create more opportunities?
Speaker 3Well, I think maybe it's meaning that people who are not normally used to creating content now they can.
Speaker 2Oh, I see so from that perspective.
Speaker 3It's creating that, but it's the same way it's taking away jobs. Yeah, but again, we were just doing a factory tour today with a friend for a manufacturing company people that made manufacturing jobs and in Michigan right now there's a huge problem. People were having that kind of people who will man manufacturing jobs? We just don't know enough people. Ok, so even if the companies put another line in another robotic line, whatever and there's not enough people to actually man the line, ok, I mean, that's what the companies are finding right now is so hard to figure that out. And so what they're finding is and this was very interesting they ever had.
Speaker 3This particular company has had company clients reach out to them and say I want you to take these three employees and train them in this job because I have work. I'm missing a lot of opportunity over here on this line where I don't have enough people. So if you train three people from over there and then the people they used to do this job, let's put another line in on this job, that line that they're producing the robot they're going to put it that place. I'm never going to make up that money. However, those three people are going to triple the revenue on this line over here, so that revenue is going to more than cover the loss over here.
Speaker 4Oh jeez.
Speaker 3So what they're doing is they're doing their training the people that they do have in better jobs OK, so that they make more money.
Speaker 1In the mundane stuff they give to, the stuff that doesn't make a ton of money anyways.
Speaker 3Robots in place. Yeah, instead.
Speaker 1That makes sense, because they can't get people.
Speaker 3That's what people are saying. After the pandemic, a ton of the manufacturing companies left Michigan. The people manufacturing people left Michigan.
Speaker 1Do they say why? Because they're not paying enough, or I?
Speaker 3don't know. I mean I don't know. I mean I talked to some of the people who think they know and a lot of people think that they used some of the pandemic money. All of a sudden now they had an extra two to three thousand dollars, so they used that money to reposition them because they really didn't like the Michigan win or whatever.
Speaker 1Yeah, all I see.
Speaker 3They took that money and moved south because now they had the extra money.
Speaker 1I mean the pay still is a factor. In fact, today, as I was driving down Baldwin, I saw little Caesar say we're hiring opers at $12 an hour and I chuckled because my 15 year old daughter makes 1150 at Culver.
Speaker 1So, like you got to offer 15 or $16 an hour to get somebody in there, If my daughter can make more than minimum wage at 15, what the fuck is little Caesar's? I know it just. I just kind of chuckled when I drove by. I know it is just. So tell me about this Uber CEO Daro that was stunned by a $52 fair. So ridiculous.
Speaker 3Yes, it is ridiculous. So the story goes that it's actually not the CEO that did the fair. Oh, the person who wrote the article. So, so the so basically.
Speaker 1Oh they, let them him know how much it cost yeah.
Speaker 3So the writer of the article who drove into the to the, I guess, news, whatever it was, uh was telling them hey, for me to get over here, I pay, cost me 52 dollars to get over here on a three mile ride in New York. You know, three miles for the $52. Oh my God, here comes the interesting part.
Company Reports Profit and Growth
Speaker 3They were saying we figure it's a cost, maybe $20, right, nothing. But then then Daro goes into saying Well, you know, he's like, you know it's, it's, it's um, how easy it goes. Uh, search pricing. He goes right and then the writer goes but a search makes no sense. It's 10 am on a sunny weekday and it's not like the president's in town, so there is no reason why they would have been searching at that time. Yeah, that's the thing. So again, he was really bringing up the, the algorithms. Yeah, right, which is we all constantly talking about those? You know why is that so. So why was it searching at 10 am? Searching at 10 am on a on a on a weekday?
Speaker 1But would you think, don't you think, new York surges all the time, though I don't know.
Speaker 3I mean but, but, but it shouldn't search all the time I mean they can control it, they can do whatever they want but that doesn't make it right.
Speaker 1Don't you feel like now that they're a public company, there's more open? Uh, so that's what he, he goes into.
Speaker 3That is because the whole point is that this is the quarter ever that live, that Uber is reporting that they're ahead. No way, yes, right, so that's the thing. So they've actually reported a uh, not a loss for the quarter. So they are they. They were projecting. Where was it here? So, um, let's see. So the company recorded a profit of 394 million in three months period ending June 30th, a massive improvement from the 2.6 billion loss it posted this time last year.
Speaker 1Wow, so they they reported a 394 profit million 394 million.
Speaker 3That's huge for the quarter Right. So so basically what? What he's going? Well, maybe it's because there's too many search. You know, like the algorithm isn't really fair.
Speaker 1Oh, I see that's funny.
Speaker 3So yeah, so the company also predict that they will see additional operating profits by the end of Q3 on June 30. So basically, yeah, so basically they're saying that they turned it around and now they're going to. I mean, you know, they think they're going to start making money now, so we'll see.
Speaker 1Yeah Well, but I guess it goes back to my original question. Now, if it's public, can't somebody like say hey, we want to see how those, these surges work, or like I don't know who would, who would be able to look at that.
Speaker 3You can't, even though it's public, it's still uh company is public, yeah, but that the IP is private.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's what I mean. What do they call?
Speaker 3uh, yeah, the probably yeah, that can be hidden, but here's the interesting part, and this is this here. So revenue rose 14% year over year to 9.2 billion dollars. Right, but there's a total transaction. Total transactions on the app grew 16% to 33.6 billion dollars in 2022.
Speaker 1That's crazy With a B.
Speaker 3With a B 33 billion dollars in transactions running through the app. How crazy is that? You don't understand?
Speaker 1I mean people don't understand what a billion dollars is, like $1 billion, like how much that actually is. It's a thousand millions. I tried to explain that to my daughter because you know the lottery around here was like 1.03 billion. I know. I'm like do you realize that's a thousand millions? Like you, can't even spend that much.
Speaker 3Well, listen, you can't spend the interest of that every day. Yeah, I know, try and spend the interest you make on that every day.
Speaker 1I mean you could, but I mean like in a normal life you wouldn't be able to Like, yeah, if you're buying jets and yachts and everything, of course yes, but I mean like you could buy a house a day and it wouldn't like you could buy a million, like a thousand millions. You could buy a thousand houses for a million dollars a year and it would be like me, me, me.
Speaker 1It's crazy. Tom says oh man, my ass, how are you doing? Old man, old man, my ass, how are you doing? Oh, cause I think I called him an old last show. Tom's the king of like dropping stuff. I have no idea what he's talking about. I think, that's what he's talking about.
Speaker 3Maybe it is.
Speaker 1All right, coming up. You know, old Tom, you're good. Yeah, he's probably late 50s, I would guess.
Speaker 3But again, if he's old, then we are old too. Yeah, we're not going there. We're not old All right.
Speaker 1so this video I'm sorry for the audio listeners. It's basically a van that has a door dash sticker on the back. That I was, so it's a little long. I should have trimmed this down because he recorded her. This fucking van backed up and drove away. I swear to God, I got to post this on social because this is incredible, so we'll watch it and talk about it. Oh, there's no sound, so but so describe the tire. What would you say?
Speaker 1almost a 45 degree angle, like it's not quite a 90 because that would be weird, because it would be but I mean it's angled so bad? It's probably a 40 degree angle yeah maybe not 45.
Speaker 3But it is ridiculous, but.
Speaker 1I mean she backs up and drives out of the parking lot and she does it slow. But I mean, I mean if it works.
Speaker 3I mean but only very little.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I mean, I feel like she hits a bump and that's all she wrote.
Speaker 3It's not playing.
Speaker 1It's playing. It's just this dumb ass recorded it for 15 minutes before she goes in reverse.
Speaker 3Well, mine says your browser failed to play the video clip.
Speaker 1Oh well, I don't know. I'm watching it right now. Oh, I'm sorry, mom. Well, you got a fricking, so then she backs out. Oh, the other side's not great either.
Speaker 3I know, but it's.
Speaker 1But it's not as bad as the driver. Oh my God, oh, it's just. Yeah, it's ridiculous Speaking of low riders. I've noticed. In my car that I need to be really careful on speed bumps. That motherfucker sits low in the battery. Like maybe the batteries. No, that's in Tesla my batteries up front. I don't know what I'm hitting.
Speaker 2I hope it's a skid plate because I went over a speed bump earlier and it went.
Speaker 1I was like oh, fuck so.
Speaker 3I used to have that on the master. It had a heat shield on the engine, yeah and, but it was made out of plastic.
Speaker 1How is it it can be plastic if it's a heat shield.
Speaker 3The outside of it was plastic and there was a metal.
Speaker 1Metal on the inside. Oh, they scraped the shit out of it.
Speaker 3Yeah, and the thing kept breaking.
Speaker 1Did you just rip it off of it? Oh yeah, it's gone now. Jack it up and back, is that thing?
Speaker 3still alive, it still drives, I mean it makes it drive to work.
Speaker 1What's he gonna do? Is he driving that to? Oh, no, hell, no, you guys just dropping him off and you. Is everything relatively accessible.
Speaker 3Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so even I mean Houghton is a small town and if you have, if you're on college, you get free ride, you get free access to the public transportation.
Speaker 1And it's decent, oh yeah.
Speaker 3Okay, yeah, yeah, and it goes, you know, every 20 minutes.
Speaker 1Cause, like here, you know you need to get on the bus and you have to go somewhere. It takes three hours.
Speaker 3Oh, no, no, no, you can walk downtown in five minutes from the hotel, from the college so it's not. And then if you need to go to I mean, if you need to go to some of the stores Walmart or something like that you take the bus and then take your five minutes, 10 minutes, whatever, Okay so it's not crazy, but it's a small community, oh yeah, small community. Okay so, but he's excited, so it's fun.
Speaker 1Cool Octopus Tablet. One of our sponsors that we work with, jesper, finally got his. I did. Did you get some feedback?
Speaker 3I did. Okay, I don't know what I mean. Oh yeah, people liked it, people loved it and I did get my starting bonus, my 25 bucks.
Speaker 1Good, which means I made 52 points 52, yeah, so it is a slow grind to get like basically every it is so it wasn't slow, but I mean to get your $25.
Speaker 3No, yeah, my first 20 off Cause the thing is so it's 250 points for every $25 after that.
Speaker 1Right, yeah, exactly. So but the first Did you get some bonus points at the beginning or something.
Speaker 3No, no, but the first. There's a sign up bonus, so you get the $25 after 50 points.
Speaker 1Okay.
Speaker 3So that's how it is Gotcha.
Speaker 1That's how the sign up bonus works Okay, and then 250 points for every $25.
Speaker 4Yes.
Speaker 1So you can earn up to about $100 a month.
Speaker 3They do giveaways all the time If you drive every day, I would think yeah, I don't know.
Uber and DoorDash
Speaker 1I bet if you drive every weekend you could do it, Cause the taps increase the amount of points you get, so it's not just driving.
Speaker 3Oh, okay.
Speaker 1So if you do like a 60 ride quest, there's a lot of people in the back of your car.
Speaker 3Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2You know what I mean, that's true.
Speaker 1But, yeah, I think if you did it every weekend, you would get a hundred bucks a month.
Speaker 3Maybe, maybe not, I don't know, check it out.
Speaker 1The link is in the description and it really does help us. Yeah, it does help us. And then it helps you make money.
Speaker 3I got. I was telling people how it works and how people you know this is the company and just send us the app and people like really, this is really cool, yeah, and they're like do you pay anything for it?
Speaker 1No, they pay me a little bit. People don't understand that You're like it's free. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, they, it's free.
Speaker 3And they give me a little bit of money. They give me a little money.
Speaker 1I mean, obviously they're making money too. They wouldn't do it if they and they're really customer or like really driver focused, which is unheard of in the key economy.
Speaker 3I had two people who said I learned something about you on the app. They said you're like yeah, cause I put in there. I like to use my tips to travel with and that kind of stuff, and so yeah, I put on a podcaster, so that just jumps up a little bit of conversation.
Speaker 4Nice yeah, so I should do that too.
Speaker 1You should All right Next up. This is just a funny name. I don't understand how they can do this. This is yours. Yeah, I'm laughing, sorry, Unless I'm out of order, it's under Octopus tablet.
Speaker 3Yeah, there, it is Okay. So this one is interesting because and it's just yeah, so again. So this is DoorDash, and DoorDash apparently don't have these. You know rules for what you can call.
Speaker 1Well, this is the Dasher.
Speaker 3No, I know, but that's the thing. So why? So Uber? They have that thing about. You can't call people. So anyways, the interesting part of this one is that the Dasher's name is wheat granny. Yeah, like, and it's like why. But how has that even been allowed? I don't know what I'm trying to, you know, and if I got that Dasher, I would cancel her, do you think?
Speaker 1again me being dumb.
Speaker 3Can you cancel the Dasher?
Speaker 1Yeah, well, you cancel the order, you can't just get a new Dasher. Well, that's the thing. No, it's not like Uber, I don't want wheat granny to give you.
Speaker 3Yeah, I mean, you cancel it. It cancels everything. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1And they're not gonna give you your money back.
Speaker 2Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1true, it's tough to get your money back through DoorDash, so but anyways, wheat granny. I guess that's interesting.
Speaker 3Yeah, wheat granny.
Speaker 1This next one. I love this one and maybe you can explain it a little bit better, but it says and again, I don't know if he literally has this, he must have this on here.
Speaker 2It says my name is John.
Speaker 1You know my name, car type and license plate. Don't ask me for your name. Tell me who you are. So what is the actual rule? Remember, we used to talk about this and go round and round and people would get fussy. What is the actual, proper procedure?
Speaker 3That is what you're supposed to be.
Speaker 1What he's saying.
Speaker 3They're supposed to go in. They're gonna say are you looking for X? You know, are you here for to pick up my name, Jamie, or?
Speaker 1whatever, that's what's supposed to happen.
Speaker 3Right, and I always do it differently. I always do the opposite. I always go in and I say, are you Johnny or whatever, are you Melinda?
Speaker 1whatever it is the problem is, though, again going back to the discussion, they could be frickin' Frank and they're just gonna lie, correct. But again, why would you lie? Because I always think that when I think people are lying to me about their name, whatever, because you just kind of feel off on some rides, like, why are you gonna just let me take you to frickin' BFE, like, unless you're actually going that distance?
Speaker 3Correct, but I also think it's different from market to market. Okay, I think it's more important you follow the rules in New York.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3Than in small ground habits.
Speaker 1I mean, I've had two people try to steal rides once. Just two out of six, seven thousand rides.
Speaker 3I've had one. In all the eight thousand rides I've had one ex to steal a ride.
Speaker 1And actually successfully did it.
Speaker 3Yes, but it was because she was so damn drunk.
Speaker 1Well see, yeah, that's just fucked up and she didn't even know what she was doing. Yeah.
Speaker 3And when I got there I dropped off, she goes, and I just knew when she looked like that. I just knew is that this is not what you were going. And she got out and she just she fell onto the ground, the lawn and you, you just left her there.
Speaker 1Yes, burr, she could be still sitting there.
Speaker 3Hopefully not. It was like six years ago, I hope not.
Speaker 1I know I this. This guy seems like a prick, though I mean to put that on there. That is weird. Yeah, I don't know, but I get his frustration. I mean he's just probably fed up with it, oh yeah so, absolutely so.
Comparing Uber, Lyft, and the Future
Speaker 3This one here is another of the little bit of a boring story. We had kind of a low weekend week, a low week news week, if you will, but this way is about uber shares. That falls as fears over lifts pricing eclipse. First up Eclipse is the first operating profits. So basically we just talked about it. The uber now has their first operating profit, which is amazing. It's amazing. However, their share price still fell because Our fears over lifts pricing increase. So basically because now they think that lift is getting their shit together and and kind of doing there, and so now there's some fear that lift is gonna start doing better. So now the uber is not.
Speaker 1Oh, I see, it's what that is doing better.
Speaker 3I guess, I Keep you know I keep hearing their lift is still taking, you know it's still doing bullshit rides and like, yeah, that they're still charging way too much for the riders and all I stop for the parent and they're doing better. So basically, august 1st, ubers shares fall six percent on Tuesday after the right-handing company warned Lift was competing effectively on prices and set an earnings forecast that an analyst said may have disappointed investors, who have driven up the stock two-fold this year. So basically they're thinking now that lift is more of a Competitor than the first thought because then now they're getting this shit together and actually know how to price.
Speaker 1I would. I would know, I would figure that they would. I mean, I know I threw them out of the bus a lot, but like it's just taking them a little longer, longer from the pandemic to recover because they only had rides, right, you know they didn't have the eats, but the exact.
Speaker 3They're not. They're not how they don't have all this shit spread on everything else. Now I must say, after I'm back on left, I am not that happy with the lift app. Lift, that's the lift app is clunky compared to Uber, you know, I think.
Speaker 1Uber has excelled in the last two years. But remember, like a couple years before the pandemic, like when lift came like the app was so much better. It was more pleasant, it seemed to work better and the uber app was just clunky. And now it's exact opposite. Uber is got a great app. I hate to say it.
Speaker 3No, it was great.
Speaker 1Yeah, everything is seamless. It never really bugs out.
Speaker 3I mean, for the most part I enjoy it and there's of course they come over that in the air messes. That locks everybody in Michigan out for three days.
Speaker 4That yeah, okay when lit, when uber does it, they do it big Lift does it.
Speaker 1It's buggy. I've all the time so right, janet said. When her pack skits in, I asked them where they are going. If adjudicants match, I asked for the name. I do too. I always ask, hey, where are you heading? Right? Or I'll say are you heading to this street? You know what's the numbers? Just to get a little bit of information and I do the same thing.
Speaker 3I confirm I asked for the name and then I confirm where you're going, yeah, and, and they will say they might say, well, it's in the app, that doesn't matter. I'd like to double check, so please tell me where you're going.
Speaker 1I mean at least when I was driving regularly, at least once a week, someone had put the wrong address in. Oh, absolutely so you catch that instead of driving there and be like, oh fuck, cuz you already got another ride in the queue and you're like, oh no, you're getting out here, bitch, I'm trying to hit this quest Can so right right.
Speaker 1Real quick. Gary Middleton the man, the myth, a legend Maximo Dun dun, dun flex alert and drive you to Lee helper. All these apps you can customize to your settings to make more money, to be safer on the road, to auto decline rides, auto accept rides, how far you want to drive, all that stuff.
Speaker 3So and I like the point. One thing out of this bit that's pretty cool with Maximo is it lets you Only do over, only do Excel rides on yes, you want to.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, that's right, because you can auto decline everything else. That's right so that that's worth the weight and gold there, because I don't know why lift doesn't do that. They know right.
Speaker 3It's so stupid. Why would they not do that?
Speaker 1I don't know they're done, but yeah, I never thought about that, you're right. Yeah, you can get rid of those pesky lift X rides if you don't.
Speaker 3All right, yes, so this next one here was interesting. These are the two rides that we're talking about. This is here's one. So again, look first. So there's five minutes for him to go pick them up at Air Canada in Detroit so this is at the airport. And then there's 53 mile, 50 miles, 53 minutes to go to Toledo, and he's getting paid 35 minutes at $35 like that. No, there's no way I would.
Speaker 1I think Detroit has the worst prices in Michigan.
Speaker 3I know, but but he posted this. Whoever posted, I forget who posted there. He like thank you so much for Uber for finally coming through with some good rides. Like what the fuck this isn't good rides? Here's another one for hours from Open Hills to Columbus 200 miles three hours and 51 minutes, 199 miles for 130 minutes $30. Yeah how much is that and gonna be in gas, I Mean?
Speaker 1they're back.
Speaker 3He's gonna go. You got a deadhead back.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3So you're looking at at least 60 70 dollars in gas.
Speaker 1It's just not worth it and then you made what?
Speaker 360 bucks for four hours, for eight hours.
Speaker 1I mean anything back. This is what everyone says, though. Well, you can write that the miles off. Well, you can, yeah, but it still doesn't put money in your, in your wallet in the moment. You know what I mean. Maybe at the end of the year.
Speaker 3But again, look at it this way you made you just made 60 bucks for eight hours.
Speaker 1Yeah, look this guys rating to a 4.65, like there's something going on there. That's pretty low.
Speaker 3Oh, this is not a good ride, guys. Now please stop saying that it is. This is not a good right now, and if you did, if it is, if you take it, please Tell me you, you negotiate a return fare.
Speaker 1Yeah, come on. Yeah, and you know, see said dumbest driver ever took that. You know people have to take it to that guy just took screenshots and then just like, oh, absolutely, let it go on.
Speaker 3But I did. I was gonna say that too. Saturday I did actually cancel a ride to Detroit.
Speaker 4Oh, habits, yeah, I was gonna be.
Speaker 3It was a hundred and fifty nine dollars to Detroit. It was an Excel ride Okay. But I said I'm doing, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1See why was lift 202.
Speaker 3But Was there's no, in an hour late more oh.
Speaker 1Yeah, cuz you're going to Chicago. Yeah, I was to yeah.
Speaker 1Shut the fuck up. I hate you. All right, I like this. This is. This is something that I'm gonna be positive for. Door dash has said add a tip $4. A hundred percent of your tip goes to dashers. And that says on the bottom tips help motivate a dasher to quickly accept your order. Dashers are free to accept or decline any orders and tips can help them make orders more attractive. Fulfill yes, this is what we need. This is what we need. On the like. This is what why uber should do this like.
Speaker 3But is this actually what?
Speaker 1it says I mean I guess I did. I haven't ordered door dash in a hot second, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 3I mean this is I'm sorry, that's not what a tip is. I'm sorry, I know that's what it is in door dash, but that's not what a tip is meant to be.
Speaker 1Well, I of course not, but this has become a bid for service. I understand, yeah.
Speaker 3I understand, but if they're actually putting that verb, it in the app, then we have a different problem. What's the problem? The problem is that changing what a tip is well, they can take it away. I know, but they should be paying more for the, for the no, yes, but you're gonna sound.
Speaker 1You're sounding like an employee. I don't want to be an employee but my point is that you're asking door dash to pay more, jeff well, but no, I'm asking them to pay what it should be paying. Well, what is it?
Speaker 3not to 65, a fucking cup of coffee.
Concerns About DoorDash Tipping System
Speaker 1Well, I know, but my point is is like what about uber? Same thing for uber, right? Absolutely the minimum fare for ubers, let's say 280. You want them to pay more. I mean, of course, we all want them to pay more right right, but if that's my, point.
Speaker 3I think it's different, though, because the minimum fare for two. So let's, okay, let's walk down this path for a little bit. The minimum fare for uber Okay is what if an uber normal people in my car is 265, right, yeah, okay, now I don't have to get on my car, I just have to go there drop, pick up the Ass or whatever.
Speaker 3He is like cuz he's only going one he's not tipping right and I got a driver mile up the street and drop him off. Yeah, okay, I don't have to convenience myself at all. I don't get on the car, don't do shit. I don't have to go in and pick up the order, I don't have to wait for the restaurant to get it done and all that stuff. There's none of that, right, right, I'm okay with that minimum, right? Hmm, I'm not okay with a minimum Of an uber eats or being that low.
Speaker 1Yeah, except the driver. The story after getting a car, there's a part it does not more time involved. But don't you think that that's why this is nice to have that bid for service?
Speaker 3cuz then of course it's nice, I don't.
Speaker 1I don't disagree with that, but they're changing what a tip is are you frustrated as a as a consumer or a gig worker for this?
Speaker 3That's a gig worker.
Speaker 1See, I wouldn't. I want more money. The bottom line is, I don't care where my money comes from. If it comes from the customer or it comes from door-to-ash, I don't care.
Speaker 3I understand that and I think this is good that they put in the app, because I do think it's gonna help people tip more. Yeah, but they're changing what a tip is no.
Speaker 1I shouldn't be, a bit of service. No, it shouldn't be, but no one tips after the service. That's the problem. Because it's an, it's an impersonal transaction. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3Even uber, even though it is a charge, $2 extra and give us $2 extra and be done with it.
Speaker 1Yeah, but I'm not taking that order for 450 whatever it is, I know, but that's my point.
Speaker 3What's the number? What if they only tip two dollars?
Speaker 1Well, I wouldn't take that either. You know what I mean. I guess my point is is like I like that they're doing it. Of course do I want DoorDash to give us a higher base? Of course, if they would give us a $10 base, that would be great. Then I wouldn't care what the tip was. I'll just do, you know, 10 of these and make a hundred bucks. You know what I mean. But I just like that they're actually saying something, because I feel like that's what it is. It's a bid for service, and if you got terrible service then I guess you can take it back.
Speaker 3You are absolutely correct. It is fine that it's in there, but I don't like that they're changing what a tip is.
Speaker 1Just for food delivery.
Speaker 3You put them what's it gonna stop there for?
Speaker 1Well, where else would that be changed? I'm curious, I don't know.
Speaker 3I mean, are they gonna stop? Is that, does it mean they're gonna stop tipping in the restaurants?
Speaker 1Well, that's no, but you wouldn't do that in the restaurant, because it's a personal interaction, you know what I mean. Like you're talking to the person, you know you're doing the thing. I mean, I wouldn't expect the restaurant to say, well, if you want a table, gotta give us $30.
Speaker 3If that's your, you want the food faster.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need 30 bucks. That would never fly. But I see what you're saying a little bit, but I don't care. I like it. I think it's beneficial to everybody.
Speaker 3Well, except the consumer. From that perspective I do. I mean, I do think it's helping the and I think some people do get it, because I'm telling you if I get a good order.
Speaker 1I got one today. It was like six miles for $10.50. I immediately I stopped everything that I was doing. It was I was door dashing. I was even on door dash. I got on today and I fucking paused it and took that Uber Ease because I'm like that's a bid for service, like I'm gonna and prioritize it, did it right, followed the instructions to a T because they gave a good tip and in fact it was for 1048. When I went my Uber app it said $17. So they tip more there you go.
Speaker 1So that's the thing. Like clearly they liked the service. I think what happened actually is I didn't read the instructions and I went to go put it down in the front and then I read them and they said, oh, it needed to be in the back. So I'm telling you it because of that tip, not I?
Speaker 2didn't know I was getting the extra one because they tip appropriately.
Speaker 1I picked it up and put it back. If it was, it was like a $2.50 door dash, I would have left it there. I got one more example. I did a. I did a batch for Walmart today.
Speaker 3Okay.
Speaker 1I had a fucking TV in the car. You had a TV 55 inch in my EV. Oh, my gosh Fits perfectly, by the way. Now a batch order. There's no tips on it.
Speaker 3I was looking at your wall.
Speaker 1Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3Yeah, right there.
Speaker 1That's 55 inch right there. No, so for a batch order there's no tips. So I'm making roughly $2.50 per delivery. This was at an apartment downtown on the third floor. I'm like there ain't no fucking way I'm bringing this up to the third floor, not for free. So I walked up and it said in the notes you can buzz 310 if you need to get in. So I brought the TV, I set it right next to the door, I buzzed 310. She's like what I was like. Hey, it's Walmart, I have your delivery. Okay, I'll be right now. Snapped a picture and got the fuck out of there.
Speaker 1Because I know she was gonna come down and say, hey, can you bring this up? I'm like hell, no, I'm not gonna bring it up for $2.50. That's the thing. It's a bid for service. If she said, hey, I'll give you 20 bucks If you bring this up there, you think I would have brought that fucking to you, but you didn't wait for it to tell her that that's true. I was assuming she was gonna be like can you please bring this up? It's part of the service.
Speaker 3She just said where's 20 bucks yeah?
Speaker 1no, because then I get fired.
Speaker 2You know I get fucking deactivated, so Just leave.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 3So now, tomorrow, somebody stole my fucking TV.
Tipping and Ethical Dilemmas
Speaker 1I hate that Walmart does that. They're getting away with not shipping it through FedEx and. Ups on us drivers. I think it's bullshit. The other day I got a batch order. It was two fucking bikes. I denied it. I'm like I'm not putting two bikes in my first of all. I have a way smaller.
Speaker 1SUV, you know, and it's brand new, I'm not putting two bikes in here. And she's like you're really declining. I'm like, yeah, I'm canceling. She's like all right, I was like I'm not putting these bikes in here. Fuck that the TV is. Whatever, they're light, I manhandled it.
Speaker 2Like it's not even that heavy.
Speaker 3Two bikes.
Speaker 2Two bikes.
Speaker 3Plus a bunch of other packages. You think that's gonna work?
Speaker 2No, All right, I'm gonna do this last one and then we're gonna wrap it up.
Speaker 1You actually didn't add this. You gave me the picture, but it wasn't in the rundown.
Speaker 3Oh, I'm sorry, that's okay.
Speaker 1Conflicted tipping deaf Uber driver. You guys are gonna like this one. So last month I had a 20 minute Uber ride from Jersey city to EWR or whatever. My driver was deaf, which is not a problem, but then for the entire 20 minutes he was on FaceTime with a phone on his phone holder and having sign language conversation. It was around five AM, so it's dark and disability is already not great, and he was signing and looking into his phone the entire time. So I did not feel he paid adequate attention to the road, thus reducing the safety for me, the passenger. Given that he was jeopardizing my safety, I did not want to tip, but I also felt bad not to tip. Why'd you tip someone with a disability In the end? So he got a poverty tip because he has this right.
Speaker 1In the end I tipped the 20% because I expensed it anyways, but I wanted to get some opinions here of what I should have done. Since he was deaf, I could not address the issue with him directly. Oh, there's so many wrong things there. You shouldn't have tipped him Cause that just no. And then you got it and you didn't talk to him. Okay, I get it. He can read lips, by the way.
Speaker 3He's professional lip reader.
Speaker 1So he would act like he wouldn't know, but he'd know exactly. Everyone can see the word.
Speaker 3You know what I mean. They know what that means.
Speaker 1She should have reported it to Uber. It's super dangerous. I mean, it's one thing if he was talking, but he's signing while he's driving, so he's driving with his knee.
Speaker 3Both hands.
Speaker 1I mean, I know you can do a lot of letters with one hand, but you need a lot of like. I don't know, I'm just doing shit.
Speaker 4I don't know, probably doing gang signs.
Speaker 1I know, but I can't believe she still tipped him. That's just like continuing the problem and then not addressing it.
Speaker 3No tip, low rating and Mesa-Juber, mesa-juber.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, I get it. She feels bad because he's deaf, but he's not. I mean he's deaf, he's not stupid.
Speaker 3And he's not blind.
Speaker 1He's not blind.
Speaker 3Like he can-.
Speaker 1Right, I mean, it's not like a disability where he can't go work, he can work anywhere, I mean-.
Speaker 3But he shouldn't be on the phone.
Speaker 1No, no, I agree, but I mean she like felt bad for him. Like he's an Uber driver, he's deaf. I should tip him Like no, fuck him, he shouldn't be doing that. No, so anyways, I mean-.
Speaker 3He should not be doing that, absolutely not.
Speaker 1I think people feel so bad on the tipping, like I talked to my wife the other day, everyone's asking for a tip how often do you do? That At least once a day and she, we went to Tippy Cow. It's an ice cream place in Granville.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it asked for a tip. I'm like did you tip? She goes yeah, I always do. I'm like fucking why? She's like well, it's asking. I'm like they deserve a tip. I mean the employer. We're going back to our door dash where we should just pay more. But this is not a like. They're just doing a job, like they're scooping ice cream. They shouldn't get a tip. I hate that.
Speaker 3I tip there.
Speaker 1You too.
Speaker 3I tip at ice cream places, yeah.
Speaker 1Do you tip everywhere? Ask for a tip? Pretty much Like if you went to Starbucks.
Speaker 3Listen, I tip my hairdresser, that's different.
Speaker 1That has been a standard practice for generations. That's a service they're providing to you. You know what.
Speaker 3I did, and not that I'm not patting my own back, but at one time my hairdresser she's pretty cool, by the way, I actually not going there anymore, but I was going at one point.
Speaker 1She was cool, but I fired her.
Speaker 3Anyways, I'm gonna send it to her, so she was going to Cancun and so I tipped her $50 to have a drink on me. $50? Yeah, it's like you have a drink on me. You're on the girlfriend, jeez.
Speaker 1Yeah, she was cool Fucking money bags over there. But a hairdresser you would tip, A barber you tip. I mean, you don't tip your garbage man, do you? Do you tip your lawn guy that fertilizes your lawn?
Speaker 3I don't have one.
Speaker 1I know, but my point is do you tip those guys? They're still providing a service.
Speaker 3Correct. Do you tip your mailman?
Speaker 1No, I don't know who that is. There's no relationship, yeah. I know there's no relationship with a garbage man, unless the garbage man's taking extra shit. And then at the end of the year I'll be like, yeah, thank you for not fucking reporting me to your boss.
Speaker 2You know what I mean, right.
Speaker 1Because they probably have a rule they can only take one extra bag. Not that I have that much, but yeah, I just, I don't know, the tipping thing is just weird to me. Yeah, I mean the tipping is so big with DoorDash because you're using your car and your time.
Speaker 3Listen to this I tip. Today we went to a buffet place. I tip the buffet place.
Speaker 1Like the people cleaning your thing, your table, yeah, yeah, if they clean your place I'll tip Because they're cleaning up the buffet. Yeah, but it's still. They're probably not getting a regular hourly wage. They're probably getting tip like 265 plus tips. I don't know. I'm pro tipping in the appropriate spots. It's like I don't know. No, I don't ever.
Speaker 3I still remember the first time you jumped in my car. You tip me 20 bucks.
Speaker 1Well, yeah, but we were friends, were we.
Speaker 3I think it was early on, yeah, but still.
Speaker 1Oh, I'm going to tip my Uber driver. I mean, they're using their own car, like that's where the tips should be double. You're in a restaurant. I am on a soapbox over here. You're in a restaurant and the server's not paying for the electricity and all that and we tip them 20%. But I'm driving you around using my car. I have to provide maintenance. Uber provides me fucking nothing.
Speaker 3And you don't tip. Speaking of tips, so I told you how much I made last weekend, right? Yeah, I actually made an additional $20 in tips since then.
Speaker 1I love it when they trickle. I know right. By the way, the casino run was a bunch of fucking guys from Chicago golfing. They didn't tip me either. Why didn't they?
Speaker 3tip you. I don't know. I had people coming in for the golfing, for the.
Speaker 1yeah, maybe I'm just a dick, but then in the morning I was down doing a Whole Foods and I turned my app on. I picked these gals up from the casino, took them downtown. They fucking tip me 10 bucks, so it's like it's so weird. I know the tipping is so weird. These guys were drunk too and they had golfed all day drank. It's 10.30. And they're going to the casino and they have to golf in the morning. I don't have that kind of energy or stamina. I'm like that's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3Yeah, how do you do that?
Speaker 1How do you do that? And these are older men, I'm like they are used to drinking. They must be, because I would be passed out.
Speaker 3My body tomorrow would be ridiculous.
Speaker 1Oh, we're in here and they're going to go golf like 36 holes. I'm like no, no, no, no, no, You're going to be sleeping on the fairway. That's what's going to happen. Well, anyways, guys, thanks so much.
Speaker 3Thank you so much, I appreciate everyone listening to the show.
Speaker 1I appreciate every one of you and, as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit.
Speaker 3And we'll see you on the road.
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