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Ep. #164 Do Uber drivers get gas cards, and tesla drivers are earning 5.76 per hour!
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Ever had a workweek so thrilling you just couldn't wait to tell everyone about it? Or perhaps you've been misunderstood, criticized, and you're just dying to set the record straight? Well, we've had quite a weekend ourselves, and boy, have we got stories to share! From sharing laughs at a gay bar to picnicking with ourGig Economy pals, we've seen it all. But we've also had some tough feedback about not providing enough gig economy tips. Well, let's clear the air: we're here to give you light-hearted, amusing water cooler talk about the gig economy world.
Now, imagine yourself driving through the chaotic streets of Pakistan, where street crime is as common as the buzzing of motorbikes. As a gig worker, your safety is a constant concern - from having to carry a fake wallet to speeding past suspicious corners. It's a wild, dangerous world out there, and all you've got is your wits, your vehicle, and possibly a location-sharing app to keep you safe. As we discuss these worrisome realities, we also ponder over the idea of an app that could help drivers steer clear of high-risk areas.
As we shift gears, we delve into the economics of being an Uber driver in a rented Tesla. Can you really make $5.76 an hour after all is said and done? What about the zero-emissions incentive and Uber comfort trips? We're also excited to talk about a unique income opportunity that's gaining traction in the UK - the Soho app, a platform for earning money by repairing clothes. If you're in the neighborhood, do join us on the show, and let's share our stories and experiences - no BS, all transparency. So, gear up for an exciting drive through the fascinating world of gig work. Let's hit the road!
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Hey guys, welcome to the geek economy podcast, episode one hundred and sixty four. Thank you, guys, so much for joining us. Of course, janet, our super fan, is always like the first one commenting, and we appreciate that. How are you doing today, yosemur?
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm a little tired.
Speaker 1:You're a little tired.
Speaker 2:See, it was just too much of a partying this weekend.
Speaker 1:It was.
Speaker 2:I was still trying to, you know, get up on, I can't even talk anymore. I'm still trying to get, you know, my energy back. You know I went to the party animal.
Speaker 1:You know, friday night I went to my first gay bar ever with my geek economy crew and it was interesting.
Speaker 2:What gay bar did you guys go to?
Speaker 1:So it's called. So the joke was, we were calling it the woodcock.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I didn't know. I didn't know the woodshop was a gay bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I, that's what Gabe said. So gay gay bought a $28 drink there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I heard they had like two dollars with a get up alcohol in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Sam shared it. It was a cool little place, though Like I don't know what I mean. I don't know, I've never been to rumors or what's the other one, the apartment lounge or whatever but the apartment lounge. Yeah, but no, it's cool. I'm glad to see there was another you know LGBTQ plus bar in the Grand Rapids, so that was cool.
Speaker 2:I have an incident once with a couple of women had gotten egged outside of rumors.
Speaker 1:That's dumb. I heard rumors like is a dope place to go if you want to dance Like, if you're into like dancing and shit like club, club, ish or whatever.
Speaker 2:Lots of girls go there just so they don't get accosted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't get hit on the guys, because men are idiots and fools. Right. So we did have our picnic this weekend and went very well, yeah, had a good time. Had a couple of social gatherings outside of that, so I appreciate everyone coming. A couple of pictures going to throw up there. I got Janet and Tom sitting across from each other and her husband Gary there's me over there, sam Frank from Philly, larry Matt I think that's Pete Gabe and then Chris. Let's see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then yep, yep, and that's Gary, larry and Gary.
Speaker 1:And this sexy motherfucker? Well, two sexy motherfuckers Gabe on the right and Pete on the left. So if you've heard those names. Then you kind of know. And then Sam, right here on the far right.
Speaker 2:So Pete isn't actively driving right now, but he's a very he's a he's a OG supporter of the podcast and we love him for that. Well, he used to be on the show. Absolutely, he was on the show and, but he was also a full-time driver. Yeah, this picture.
Speaker 1:There's me looking at my phone and there's John right there from North Carolina If you heard us talk about him Matt right here in the back of his head. He hasn't been on the show, but Matt struggles with needs a kidney transplant and a heart transplant. He's a hard ass worker. And then this over here, this woman is Frank's mom, mandy, so it was super nice to meet her too. And then there's a picture of all of us gigsters over there. There's Leo, far right, chris, matt, me, gabe, janet, jesper, john, larry and Frank. There we go, so.
Speaker 2:And obviously, as as you all know, Leo came in from Detroit yeah, Matt and Chris are local. Gabe came in for me to Ceylon D, but also kind of, also kind of local. And then we had Janet, who came from I don't even know 28 hours away or something.
Speaker 1:Something crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:Something crazy and you took the picture away, so, but the cool thing was that for 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:What do you want? Do you want to invite?
Speaker 2:Well, I was trying to finish my story, but no.
Speaker 1:I'll put it back up there, you dirty bitch.
Speaker 2:The cool thing was that we had people coming from from many, many states, and while we don't have a giant picnic we had, it's growing. Every year. We have more and more people coming.
Speaker 1:So that's the funny part of this is, everyone out of here is not from the area except two people, well, excluding Jesper and I.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:We had more out of towners than locals. Absolutely which is kind of interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure why I was discussing that with my wife a little bit. We have to try and do a better job, maybe getting it into all the local groups which I think we put it in there all the time, all the podcasts and stuff. I don't know what's what we can do better, but yeah, I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 1:I like our crew. I don't really care if it's small or big, I just I had such a great weekend Probably the best one I've had with that, with the crew.
Speaker 2:So and we had really good weather and it's just, it's a good way also to to just kind of celebrate with our with our fans.
Speaker 1:So we love that For sure, moving on, bad review, we got, we got slashed.
Speaker 2:We got.
Speaker 1:It's pretty bad. Okay, guys, here we go, I'm. I read the good with the bad, so I mean, at least we're getting reviews right. One star info Tainment, heavy on the Taint, that's a funny line.
Speaker 1:It seems like the host of the show have enough gig work experience that they could share information or tips that would help new to moderately experienced gig workers, but it feels as though they consciously choose not to. Instead, you just get a bunch of surface layer warehouse style water cooler talk, nothing really funny or entertaining. It sounds like the host don't enjoy doing the podcast or that it's chore Ouch. Also, the majority of the stories or information has been circulation for several days before the episodes drop.
Speaker 2:Lastly, I know.
Speaker 1:Lastly, they operate in the same circles as many of the YouTubers in this genre or genre. Yeah, is that genre? Yeah, is that how you spell it? That's weird, yep. As a result, you get a lot of the same boring guests. Okay.
Speaker 2:Do you want to like dissect it oh yeah, yes, but we're dissecting it.
Speaker 1:This is from Jiminy Longfellow in Washington. I definitely did, jiminy.
Speaker 2:Longfellow. So I think that when you and I first talked about it and you were absolutely correct the first thing you said is we give lots of good tips and good feedback, and we do. I think maybe it's the Jiminy Longfellow picked a couple of podcasts where there maybe wasn't so much to talk about, or maybe maybe he was, I don't know, it was just weird.
Speaker 1:The honestly is yes, do we set a segment apart to give a tip? No, we used to at the beginning, but then we just use stories to be like hey, just remember, if you're a new driver, this is super important. Or this is something that would focus on, but only when that stuff comes up, but it might not come up on every show.
Speaker 2:Right, right, exactly, and the one thing that we hear the most from our fans is that they, like the bands, are between us and it's also, you know, just people talking about everyday life. It's not all about how can you be as effective as possible. And let's be also be honest. I mean gig work isn't, it's not rocket science. How often and how much time can you fill by talking about you got to use this camera. You got to?
Speaker 1:do this, jiminy, how stupid are you that you don't know how to do gig work, that you need to tip in every show.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you're stupid. It's not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's not that, no, okay so next bar, it sounds like the host don't adjoin the podcast or it's a chore. No, I love doing it, but can it be a chore at times? Of course We've done like 250 episodes, like I mean between interviews and everything. Yes, sometimes it can be a chore, but fuck off.
Speaker 2:And that being said, there's also not always there. You go, fuck off. There's not also not always that much stuff to talk about when it comes to bar news. Yeah, so that's the next thing is hilarious.
Speaker 1:Are you wanting us to like? Just take the news of that day that we're streaming and recording and just do that, Like you say several days before? What do we add? A 24-hour news service. You dumbass.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I could see if we pull the story from like three months ago, like dude seriously, and then we operate in the same circle as many of the YouTubers in the genre. Yeah no, we don't. I'm barely on YouTube, we're barely on YouTube, but do we have a friend that gives us guests? Right, honestly, you spent all this time Like, I feel like you. It's just weird when somebody spends this much time to rip us apart. You know what I mean, but anyways, I tried to stalk him. I couldn't find him.
Speaker 2:But so maybe he's, maybe he's not an interesting. Sorry, mr Sibylong fellow or whatever, your name is Jiminy Jiminy, jiminy cricket, yeah.
Speaker 1:But anyways, no, I appreciate it. Um, I mean, I appreciate that you took the time. I mean I don't. I maybe agree with some of this, but not all of it.
Speaker 2:You know, I would encourage you to reach out to us and come on the show and it's to have a good talk with you on the B side and let's figure out maybe, maybe, if he can share a few, few golden knuckets with you on that one.
Speaker 1:No, he can fuck off and.
Speaker 2:I almost said something real bad.
Speaker 1:And Janet was gonna. Janet was gonna stop the show, so it's just something real bad.
Speaker 1:Oh no no, no, no. I'm going to talk about some gig safety, as you know. So just I'm going to state this one more time the B side is only for interviews. We're not calling it the B side, but every time you see Jesper's face. It's going to be a shorter show, we're just going to get into it. No ads, no bullshit, whatever. Right, jesper and I, when we're in this, set up right here. So this is not a B side, this is a regular show. Just, we're just going to get after it. So hopefully Jiminy will be okay. He didn't complain about us not getting after it, because usually it takes us like 10 minutes to start talking about gig work.
Speaker 2:He didn't complain about that. He called me his in, so yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, that's interesting, so this is an article, drive fast and carry a fake wallet. How Pakistan's gig workers stay safe. Let's see, we got to double check the date for Jiminy. What's the date on this? Also September 18. Sorry, we're, we're all or nine days past we can't talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, we can't. We can't talk about it then out. Next one Street crime is spiraled out of control.
Speaker 1:Pakistan cities and gig drivers, often late nights, which I didn't know. Pakistan, I mean, I know they do gig work everywhere, but it was interesting. One of the guys says he has a mobile. He had a mobile phone robbed at gunpoint so now he keeps a dummy mobile phone with him. It's basically a dead phone. He told the rest of world. That's the name of the news article or the paper. I keep that and fake wall and fake bake notes in case something happens. I just lose that. Nothing major. So I guess the it's just out of control and you know so gig. So there's just an article about the safety. Gig workers told rest of world that they have come up with workarounds and show their safety, including driving as fast as possible. Yes, per, when passing through dangerous areas at night and using location sharing apps or friends and family know where they are at all times, which I think is important. That's kind of the one of the reasons we have the telegram group. It's always good to you know checking on somebody.
Speaker 1:I always, I always worry when you know, even when the Esper had that long trip, I mean I didn't worry enough to stay up, but I know there were in there checking on him especially. Frank, because he works nights.
Speaker 2:So so question here for you, and and, and you know, do you think that there's an opportunity here for the app to help be safer by maybe staying away from high crime areas, like when you're driving, like, let's say, you're taking a person from A to B? Would it be an opportunity for the app to kind of, you know not, maybe not go to the director A through A to B, but maybe go go stay out on areas that are very, very high crime? When you have countries like that, what that's what they have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I would think that would be a good thing to do, but then there's discrimination, you know what I mean. And then then it's also I mean, in those countries they probably don't have the issues that we have in the States as far as discrimination lawsuits, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:But I also wonder if it's just like Uber and they're like well, we want to make money, so we're not going to. You know, we're not going to neglect an area because it's dangerous, but I can see them doing it. Oh, somebody another guy in their article said if someone wants me to pick them up from a dodgy part of town at night, I called them up and first asked them come to the main road where the trap, where there is traffic, instead of them calling me to dessert alley where I could potentially get mugged.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's get. Let's have them walk from the bar through the disorder. Well, in my head.
Speaker 1:It's like a main drag and then there's a bunch of just short alleys. You know what I mean. Not like it's like five blocks or anything but if you were to get it safe for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:If you were to guess how many gig workers in Pakistan are, what would you guess? Cause I'm I'm guessing it. Read the article right.
Speaker 2:I did not. That's fine. I'm not reading that, that's good, but I would guess there's probably about half a million drivers. I would think 1.7 million.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Not not one bit surprised at all 2% of their labor force, which I thought was shocking.
Speaker 2:I actually thought it would be more. Oh really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so here's a couple 2%, same very little. Yeah, here's a couple of things I highlighted. Ride hailing platforms of Pakistan usually only provide insurance on incidents that happened during the ride, leaving drivers to fend for themselves when they're on their way to pick up passenger waiting for rides. This is in reference to car insurance. Interesting.
Speaker 2:When Ali Khan did the episode one, two and three kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they don't have that Complain about a robbery and quest for compensation. He said he was sold. Nothing could be done. The company said our relationship with you is limited when we connect you with another customer. You are traveling with the passenger. Once the ride is complete, our relationship with you has ceased. So I thought that was interesting too, Like oh you got Rob, Fuck you.
Speaker 1:Unless you over unless you call during the robbery, we don't care, we don't have to deal with you after you drop them off, oh my word. And then it seems wrong. It does seem wrong. If something happens, you should take care of your driver. And then the last part it reminds me of. You know what's happening here. The larger problem, according to a mod, is that gig platforms treat their workers as self-employed rather than employees. If recognized employees, workers would gain various labor rights like minimum wages, union membership and compensation for injuries. So what does that sound like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just. I mean, we've talked about a hundred times, right it's? I wouldn't want that. I don't want that. I have a job. I mean this is.
Speaker 1:I know, but I definitely would want rights, as you know, if I got hurt, those kind of things, but like I don't need everything. You know all the other stuff. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So I do.
Speaker 1:I do I swear we're getting shadow, okay. No, maybe now there's four, because at one point there was zero people watching and I'm like, wait a minute, are we getting shadow banned somewhere? Does somebody hate us?
Speaker 2:I don't know, maybe, maybe they are Probably so. This next one here is kind of kind of about safety as well. Only this one is a driver doing a stupid Never. Oh, yeah, very, very, very much never. So it's a door-dazz driver and and this happened in Middleton, which I'm actually not sure the state yeah, and he goes to the door. That's driver bringing Duncan to a customer assuming that must be Duncan, duncan coffee or whatever. Yeah, uh, to a customer. Got their car partially. So I like how he says got their car partially submerged after following the GPS down a dirt road. Yeah, so he followed the GPS into the water. That's really what happened. Fucking idiot Driver said they were delivering Duncan to a home on Mill Street.
Speaker 2:The driver said they followed the GPS but ended up in a body of water. So what do we do when we see water on the road? Do we stop? I mean, yes, look at the map, but always look at the road first, of course. Yeah, when Middleton police arrived they found the car still running and partially submerged in water. The driver has to be taken to an area hospital, but he said the car was towed from the scene. It does not appear any fluids leaked into the water. So that's good. The driver is expected to be charged with neck, neck, I can say the negligent operation of a motor vehicle and request for immediate threat, especially when it was filed with the registry of motor vehicles. So in other words, he's done driving.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that guy's not very smart. I don't know if you ever watch the Office, but there's a scene in the Office where Michael drives into the lake following the GPS too.
Speaker 2:I think I've seen one episode of the Office and I didn't want to do it anymore, so this, not me. Yeah, no, that's fine.
Speaker 1:This article reminded me our good friend Larry was involved in an accident over the weekend Total of his car. So just shout out to Larry for just a good recovery. Was not hurt, thank goodness. But, yeah, it was. I felt bad that car. He's gotten hit in that car like three or four times. Of course this wasn't his fault. None of them have been his fault.
Speaker 2:No, and this one he was middle car in a seven car wreck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the semi two cars back finished him off because pushed the rest of the cars into his rear end. He's so funny, he's so kind, he was like silver lining, though he goes. Jason, remember that rattle you were telling me about. We were talking about the other night that rattle's fixed.
Speaker 2:It's gone now.
Speaker 1:No rattle anymore. Felt so bad for that guy Gosh after that great weekend Everything every time. Larry and I get together. I get COVID. Larry and I get together. Again, Larry gets COVID.
Speaker 2:Larry comes up to us. You guys got to stop, like you know, sleeping and what to call it, like hand in hand or whatever? No spooning, yeah spooning, and no spooning.
Speaker 1:Larry comes up for the picnic, visits me and the rest of the crew totals his car.
Speaker 2:Bullshit, yeah, but I mean, as you said, though too luckily it was Larry, and Larry I mean not to say there was any. There was good that anybody went through it, but Larry's gonna handle it. He'll come out on the top, he'll get a nice vehicle, it'll be all taken care of, because Larry knows how to do shit. Larry gets shit done.
Speaker 2:I know he gets shit done. I have utmost respect for Larry, so he'll be right back driving, you know, in a week or so, whenever that's taken care of, and it'll be fine. Probably won't be a week, but soon I will.
Speaker 1:Long it'll be for him to get the insurance company to authorize a new car. Huh, I told him to get an electric vehicle. He laughed at me.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking about getting one of those hydrogen cars.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I'm an idiot for getting an electric car. Okay, moving on.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, they only have hydrogen gas stations. You know, on the west of the East Coast. I only have to drive a couple hundred miles to get to one. Perfect.
Speaker 1:Today I found out this is on Reddit. Some of these Reddit posts are hilarious. Today I found out Uber drivers don't get a company card for gas. So this is not just a driver group, this is a Uber. I started following just a regular Uber group so I filled my driver's car up. I also left him a cash tip so he will have the money to fill up his tank again. He was so nice and had the air conditioner on when I entered, unlike some of the cheap drivers. I mean this could be scam. I mean I don't know, but like is it true? Did this guy really think? I mean, I have heard people say is this your car? Oh yeah, I've had people say that, like when I'm driving people around. Like is this your car?
Speaker 2:I mean like I think there's plenty of people out there thinking that we get paid for gas.
Speaker 1:Like we're employees, like we're like W2s and it's the company's car yeah. Yeah, that's the fucking stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was. But at the same time they also they all see and has visibility to how much you know their ride cost and how much we are paid.
Speaker 1:I don't know like some people are just clueless in real world stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:And this is that's what I mean. My wife, bless her heart, you know, when she's at work she's a freaking awesome. Like she knows everything. She runs shit, like she takes care of those babies, like no one questions her at all, but like I was on her, she's a princess when she comes home because, like I, take care of everything. And I think just some people are like that. They just don't really need to know about it or need to care about it, so they're just like whatever. And then they ask those dumb questions and they sound like idiots. I mean, that's not what I'm saying about my wife.
Speaker 2:I was gonna say that's not what you mean to do. I wanna shut up.
Speaker 1:I was thinking when I brought that up like that was probably a bad move, so all right move.
Speaker 2:I would like to point out to the fact that I know Megan and Megan is super, super bright, oh, of course, and is definitely, definitely with her.
Speaker 1:So that is not what Jason meant. This is funny, though. If you ask her have you ever mowed the lawn or shoveled any snow, since we've been together for over 20 years, and she will say no.
Speaker 2:Well, but why she shouldn't have to, though, why? That's the whole point. Hey, why not? I'm sure there's lots of things that can be said about you that you and I haven't done.
Speaker 1:Hey, why not? It's all these women wanna have 50-50?. Go shovel some snow.
Speaker 2:Actually, you know, I heard an interesting thing the other day. Oh boy, we're getting deep shit. I was listening to a Danish podcast. No, but I mean, this is just, it shouldn't be 50-50, it should be 100 and 100.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We should all give 100% all the time. It's not about giving 50% and then the other party give it 50. No, we all give 100%. That's what it means to be a family. You give 100 and 100.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but when they're saying, when we're saying 50-50, we're saying I'll do 50% of the work and you do it Not that we don't give 100% when we're doing that, 50% Is it, though? I mean I don't know, but you're right. You're right.
Speaker 2:I think what they followed up with was. You know, people's 100 is different sometimes. There's days where you 100% is less than my, and it's okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because that's what it means to run a family. Anyways, this is not Threats podcast. If you wanna listen to that, go find that one. No, that one died, it's not even the name of the show anymore.
Speaker 1:That's right. I hate you Talk about this.
Speaker 2:So this is hopefully a fun joke and hopefully not true.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's a joke.
Speaker 2:But you can't just be making fun, Anyway. So this one here is. It was actually an email going out to Uber drivers that they can rent it now, but the idea was that Tesla drivers are earning $5.76 per hour. Well, I think they just-.
Speaker 1:Why the?
Speaker 2:hell would I rent a Tesla or a driver Tesla so I can make $5.76 an hour? Well, so it goes, and I'll let you talk in a second. So it said, drivers renting a Tesla from Hurston, la, are currently earning an average of $5.76 per hour. Tesla's are eligible for the zero emissions incentive, which allows drivers to earn an extra $1, which means before they were only making $4.76 an hour, up to $4,000 annually. You can also complete Uber comfort trips in a Tesla, which riders pay a little more for than UberX. Tesla rentals start at $334 per week and include unlimited mileage, endurance and basic maintenance. Anyways, $5.76 an hour, no way.
Speaker 1:Well, so I think they have all these pre-done right and these equations and whatever you wanna call them, cause I've seen some like drivers in your area making like not in ours, but I've seen them post in different cities like making $8.50 an hour. You know what I mean. So I think I don't think anyone's actually like monitoring those. I think they're like, oh, it's our time to send it out, so let's put the calculation together and then they don't they send it out and they're like oh shit, what do we do?
Speaker 1:We shouldn't have sent that one out. Yeah, but I mean like there is there is some interesting conversation about that. If you are thinking about running a Tesla or or any car, it's got to work out like. I think it works out good with Gabe because he's grinding like that dude puts in. You know he probably does two to 300 rides a week. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Of course it's gonna work out for him, but please don't rent a Tesla at $334 a week and go drive 50 rides like right, well, and then the other question I had, and I don't know the answer to this question, maybe somebody does if you rent the vehicle, do you get to have the? Do you get the 64 cents per mile subtraction on taxes?
Speaker 1:that's a good question. My, my uneducated guess would be it's probably the same either or you get to write off the rental, or you get to write off the mileage. Right, you don't get to do both? Yeah, but now that I think about it, if you don't own it although I don't know it's a good question.
Speaker 2:I mean the idea. The idea of the mileage is that it's also for the maintenance of the vehicle, and if you don't have the maintenance of the vehicle right, yeah, no, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1:I'm leaning in the other way.
Speaker 2:Maybe somebody who knows anything about that, they can let us know. And if somebody wants to come on the show and talk about that again, reach out to us at teams at gig economy show calm and love to have a conversation more about you know the economy behind renting a vehicle or a Tesla on EV or whatever to do to do gig work in.
Speaker 1:So anyways, I have noticed that most the rentals for Uber are EVs. I'm wondering, because of the low maintenance on them, they can charge this and then they don't need oil changes, they don't need typically, don't need brakes.
Speaker 2:I mean they will eventually, but yeah, you don't see very many non-electric vehicles on the platform to rent that is true, my new car and you probably know all about this, I mean, I really I honestly know very little about cars, but my van, the, the. What's it called? The system that makes it easy to turn the vehicle? What's that called the? Power steering the power steering is electric. It's not. There's no fluid in my car oh, interesting yeah so if there's no maintenance on the power steering, you don't have to do any of those.
Speaker 1:So I, I didn't, I don't know yeah, I didn't know that either, that newer cars had electric. It makes sense, but I never thought about it no, I don't think my wife's does, and it's in 16 and that's another thing that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Every time I take my internal all change. How much do you think my oil changes cost at the local oil pace?
Speaker 1:I mean, if you get basic error, if you, if you get like, synthetics is usually like $90 try 156 yours is wow yeah, it's seven gallons of oil.
Speaker 2:Right and the the get. The filter is special oh, you say that they take the extra special kind of oil. That's the only kind that's approved for the car what is doing?
Speaker 1:huh, what is Kia doing? That seems like I don't know, but but but this 10,000 miles.
Speaker 2:I can drive 10,000 miles on an all change easy you wait.
Speaker 1:You don't normally drive 10,000 miles and oil no, no, I will do six or seven yeah, no, I synthetic is roughly about five or six yeah, but no, kia, kia has approved it.
Speaker 2:No, if you do follow their rules, you can easily do 10,000 miles?
Speaker 1:huh, interesting, oh, I guess it, but do you have to use their oil, though? Can you you? You got to be able to use other oil well.
Speaker 2:So if I go into, like I use the, I use one of the all change places I want, like Michigan Drive, and they will only do what's approved for the vehicle interesting so they have to follow. That's their internal rules, and so it has to be like. This is the only so I have to buy the most expensive oil because that's the only one they have that's approved for this vehicle it's probably good idea.
Speaker 1:They they probably started doing that, saying hey, if you want, if it's under warranty, I bet you out of warranty.
Speaker 2:You could probably do whatever you wanted oh yeah, but I'm also sure that that if I wanted to put have them put normal oil in, they would. But I would probably have to say you know, sign a very, very anything thing that they're not responsible for anything yeah, I get so but anyways, no, I, they even. I took the car to to get an all change, actually before the picnic and and he said I don't have anymore that oil. You have to come back. How can you run out of oil?
Speaker 1:I mean it's a special oil. I mean he probably doesn't keep you. I know you're full of it, but he did.
Speaker 2:He did find an extra box in the basement, so he's I found more, I have good. That's so funny.
Speaker 1:I've never. I mean I knew like foreign cars, like German, german cars are really finicky about maintenance and stuff, but I never heard of Kia. I thought was a little kind of more of anyways so yeah, that was a.
Speaker 2:That was a. What's it called we? I digress I digress.
Speaker 1:So this right driver Draver, one of our listeners on our Facebook community Facebook group, which we'd love for you to join, talked about this and I swear we talked about it. I the name sounded familiar, but maybe I've seen it online and so that's why it sounds familiar yeah, I, I did not remember.
Speaker 2:The drivers build wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I remember, I remember the name, but anyways, it's move your car with ease, the first on demand at for personal car delivery. So the gist of it is like we'll drop your car off for maintenance, we'll move your car to another home, we'll move your car short distance across town or across the country. So basically, as a gig worker, that's what you do you move cars around so.
Speaker 1:I did apply for the job and I was able to get through it in about two minutes. They do facial recognition and driver's license and this is the first one that didn't give me errors, for I don't know. I think the beard really throws the camera when they're trying to verify stuff, so I think so this is the first one that went through the first time, so I was pretty stoked about that. So did that, did a background check, whatever, but I got a text. Thank you for joining us. We have received an overwhelming interest in your area. As a result, we are currently holding new applicants at the moment. We'll contact you once new opportunities become available. We appreciate your patience, but in the group it said people were talking about how there was never any work. So, like I don't know if you know. And again, market specific right, we say that all the time hey, hey.
Speaker 1:Jiminy, that's a tip. It may be market specific, just just in case.
Speaker 2:Jiminy, jiminy, jiminy. Another tip, how you have? Another tip use a drive, use a webcam. So what, what? What is happening? Always have a dash cam there are you a webcam. I thought you were like.
Speaker 2:I thought my camera was off or something, so you're making a joke, but no, no, no, so the next one here is actually also a new, a new app, but it has nothing to do with driving, except, unless you count, driving a sewing machine. So this is a tail. This is it's it. Currently, the app is only in Great Britain. As far as I can understand, it's called soho, so, joe, or whatever you want to say that. But yeah, it's for tailoring services and so I'm sorry you changed the title you can still click on it anyways.
Speaker 2:Well, I have to have the app, so, anyways, the idea is that people who are good at sewing can sign up and and they can get jobs for like, little or big jobs, for no-transcript getting things fixed when it comes to clothing. And what they have a saying is a lot of they are doing for obviously a number of different reasons, but one of the big reasons they're doing is they were seeing a lot of clothing being thrown out for no reason, because a lot of these clothing they just have a small thing wrong with them. People just they don't have a way of getting it fixed. They know how to do it or whatever, so they'll just throw it away and buy something else. So some part of that is for that.
Speaker 2:They did just get a second round of investors, so it sounded like they got some angel funding. I think it said 2.8 million pounds, and basically the biggest part of that was because they had gotten some a lot of interest from some Scandinavian clothing brand called Gany, if I remember that correctly, and the article doesn't state more than that. That was interesting to me, though interesting in the sense that maybe are they gonna be using ZOE for production. I don't know how that works.
Speaker 2:So that's all kind of interesting. But again, I always like hearing about new apps and if you were good with a sewing machine and your AT store isn't super, super busy, maybe this is the way of adding a little bit to that.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's more repairing stuff and more like. You don't know, my pants are too long, I mean, that's how what I think of it as a gig. I told Jesper before the show and our local like community group I see people asking for, hey, I need this hemmed and so did. It's a talent or sorry, it's a skill, just like a lot of skills are kind of going to the wayside.
Speaker 1:So, they're hot in demand if you can do it. But I think this is great because most of that stuff you don't really need a backlog. If you're a seamstress, you could do it real quick and I think that would be amazing if you needed something done instead of like trying to find somebody. You go on Facebook, you're messaging these people but to have an app be like hey, I need these pants hemmed, like how much you know what.
Speaker 2:I mean. So it's interesting you brought up the concept of hemming, because that's not something I ran. I mean, every time we bought a pair of pants in Denmark when I lived over there, they had to be hemmed, of course. Oh really, yeah, because when you buy pants or at least growing up when you bought pants they would just be too long. Because you don't make the pants in several different lengths, they come and you have to hem them. You mean for children or adults, anyone, it didn't matter, right, you would have to hem them and you get them hemmed.
Speaker 1:That doesn't happen here.
Speaker 2:My mom, would use to hem pants all the time. Huh.
Speaker 1:That doesn't happen here.
Speaker 2:I know, but that's the thing, because here you buy pants and you have they have said lengths of pants. So that's my point is, I don't think on the American market, I don't see hemming as being a big part of Soho Gotcha, Because you buy the pants or what you're leg length or whatever you wanna call that, and then so yeah, Well, I still. I've never seen that until over here, huh.
Speaker 1:The hemming happens a lot in my family because I'm short so it was tough for me to get pants that fit my fat waist and then not be super long. It was tough to get those sizes. It's actually gotten a lot better. America's gotten fatter. But like early on in my younger adult, which I wasn't as heavy but I struggled, being so short, to get pants that fit my waist, that weren't super long.
Speaker 2:But and obviously, if you're talking about more expensive brands or your suit or anything like that, that will still have to be him of course.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, because you want those fit like that's not we're not talking about pair of these jeans from Maya right. Yeah, less article, and then we'll wrap it up Best States for Gig Workers. I thought this was kind of funny.
Speaker 2:It was an interesting thing, yep.
Speaker 1:The data set ranges from the average annual earnings of Gig Workers to cost of living per capita, tipping rates and worker classification laws per state. And I'll just get right to it Michigan is number 50. Best State for Gig Workers Michigan's number 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah there was a In a list of zero to 50.
Speaker 1:Correct one to 50.
Speaker 2:Top 10.
Speaker 1:If people don't know how many States there is. Jiminy's gonna be mad at this, I know. Jiminy is gonna be mad.
Speaker 2:Hey, I was, it was another tip, you know there's. I mean maybe yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:Yep, maybe he will be, but did it happen today? No, it happened a long time ago. All right, the top States for Gig Worker. I'm not gonna read them all. Read the top 10. Maine, west Virginia, arkansas, south Dakota what the fuck? New Hampshire, hawaii Can I? Oh no, we knew Hawaii was good. Connecticut, vermont, wyoming and Georgia Again, we could probably link this up so you can. There's more. There's like scores at the bottom, like. There's like methodology and income tax and all kinds of stuff. But average annual earnings highest was in Florida, lowest in Michigan. Gig Worker compensation highest in Delaware, lowest in Vermont. Projected gig work growth highest in Mississippi, lowest in Massachusetts. But they're currently I think they're the next state that's talking about the Prop 22 crap.
Speaker 1:Right and then customer tipping rate highest was Delaware, which they were highest on Gig Worker competency. Oh no, that's competition. Is that competition, competition?
Speaker 2:yes, did I say compensation.
Speaker 1:I'm a dummy.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Can't read. But it's competition. And then customer tipping rate lowest in California. So it's funny, on all these top five and highest and lowest, michigan only got in the average annual earnings, which is weird. Why do you think that I?
Speaker 2:didn't understand how they came up with the numbers at all, cause I looked at it and it made no sense. But what you just mentioned, I wanted to touch base on that for a second. You said the state with the lowest tipping rate is California.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But don't you think that's because of that stupid Prop 22?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's possible.
Speaker 2:Cause people are always saying well, you're already getting paid, you know a livable wage, I don't need to tip you.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, or is that Prop 22 coming from? So it comes from DoorDash. Let's just use DoorDash, cause they're always the example, but it's coming from DoorDash. But are they charging the customer? Does it say Prop 22 money to the customer? So are they tipping less because DoorDash is dipping into the customer's pocket. More Could be yeah, that doesn't surprise me, that's so funny. California Fucking idiots. Sorry, John.
Speaker 2:He's not on here, so I could say it On that note. I would say it anyways. All right, guys, thank you so much.
Speaker 1:That was hot and dirty, quick and fast. Next week, the regular show and then the 11th, we have somebody coming on. That's for the B side, so I'm looking forward to that. Please, please, please. If you are listening to this show, we need more people to come on. If you're a gig worker, I don't care what you do for a gig, I don't care how long you've done it. We do like talking to new people. It's not as scary as it looks. You just hear the show. We're pretty laid back. We won't drill you unless your name is Jiminy.
Speaker 1:If you come on the show, I'm going to drill you until your taint hurts. Since you used the word taint near you, I wish I could.
Speaker 2:Oh, I hope he listens to this, but you only let him come on the show if he promises to share it with his audience.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly His mother, because he lives in his mother's basement. That's his audience.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, All right guys. I had to start you had to start. That was a good, you had to do that, you had to go there. Hey, it was a good closing.
Speaker 1:As always, guys, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. We'll see you on the road, good night, good night. This podcast is produced and edited by hey Guys Media Group. Want to start a podcast? Check out HeyGuysMediaGroupcom. Hey, hey, hey.
