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An Uber Trial Could Reshape Rideshare Safety Across America | Ep 286
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Two hosts dig into a week of wild gig-economy stories: a convicted murder tied to a scam, a federal Uber SA trial with explosive internal messages, delivery partnerships that shift the market, and autonomy failures that expose design gaps. We weigh real fixes, from portable background checks to camera standards, and call out bad driver behavior, cash-ride risks, and privacy myths.
• scam-driven shooting of an Uber Eats driver and how to prevent repeats
• Reddit culture vs empathy for new drivers facing scams
• home-made drinks for drivers and delivery safety norms
• the appeal of being a known regular and community ties
• Kiefer Sutherland arrest and driver safety liability
• Uber–Kroger on-demand groceries and Postmates’ persistence
• drones, Walmart pilots, and realistic tech timelines
• delivery robot destroyed by a train and Waymo’s gate logic
• grocery dump video, tipping debate, and quality control
• rideshare legislation in Israel and taxi industry pushback
• “hood Uber” cash rides, insurance gaps, and better alternatives
• ICE location claims, warrant requirements, and privacy facts
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Hello, hello. Welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast, episode 286. Climb into that 300. Uh want to thank our Patreon. Well, first, go to gigeconomy show.com. How dare me? I want to thank our Patreon members, Samson, Bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal Kickass, and Anna. Appreciate you guys so much. Patreon.com slash the GigEcon Podcast. Larry, Paul Duncan, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_10:I'm doing wonderful. Getting ready for the big snow mageddon coming in this weekend. Was I right on the middle name? No.
SPEAKER_09:Oh, you just rolled with it.
SPEAKER_10:I'm a professional, man.
SPEAKER_09:I know, but I want you to like be like, dude, that's not my middle name. You don't have to tell me, but I love how you believe it. Larry Maurice. Maurice. Why did I think it was Paul? I don't know. I don't know. Larry Maurice Duncan Jr. I like that middle name. Um, yeah, so you're getting a shit ton of snow. 14 to 18 inches.
SPEAKER_10:I mean, it's been all over the place. I've seen anywhere from like uh six all the way up to 20 inches, and then they're talking about on Sunday, maybe like another one to three with maybe an inch of ice on top.
SPEAKER_08:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_10:If the snow, I'm I'm good with uh snow's fine, no problem. But the ice, man, because everybody, you know, power lines be breaking, people without power, it'll all go to hell if if that starts happening. So pray that the ice misses us.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, just I mean, just for you just to tell you, ice is bad wherever. Just because we're used to driving in the snow, like I drove it is, yeah, no, definitely. You don't fuck with ice, it's just uh it's just horrible. All ice is horrible. Uh all right, gig economy in the news. We're getting right after it. So follow up, and thank God someone posted it because I uh I don't search for follow-up, I just happen to see it. So if you guys remember back, oh god, I don't know when it was, but there was a uh old man, 83, that uh killed an Uber Eats driver. Uh she actually had a dash cam that caught him with the pistol and like on camera, like it happened. I don't know if they actually showed the video of um her him shooting her, but they convicted him, the 83-year-old man. He fatally shot the driver after wrongly assumed she was in a plot to get twelve thousand dollars and the supposed bond money for relative.
SPEAKER_10:The driver felt victim to the story.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, the driver fell victim to the same scammer driving to Brock's home between Dayton and Columbus to pick up a package for delivery. According to investigators, Brock shot the driver 61 Lolita Toland Hall of Dublin, a Columbus suburb. Six times when he showed up at the home. Dude, listen to this. He was convicted of murder, felonious assault, and kidnapping. Like got it all, and his sentence is next week. So he's you know, he's not he's dying in the in the jail.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:Dude's attorney said shooting was self-defense, and the scammer had made threats against him and his family. But the problem is, is like apparently that woman was in the house at some point, and he ushered her out, and he could have just shut the door.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, he's the one holding the gun.
SPEAKER_09:Right. I mean, he had all the leverage, and she was not threatening. And I mean, he he needed he needed to be charged with. Apparently, the the jury talked about it for like an hour and then they they they found him guilty. I mean, I don't know how else you'd do it without the you got the dash cam.
SPEAKER_10:Right. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I don't know what his mental state is. If he's you know has some dementia or or whatever, but you know, he was convinced uh and like I said, they got in scammed. Both of them had got had gotten scammed. They they were using her just as a mule to go pick up this package, using you know an Uber package or whatever it is it's called. And and they had contacted him telling him that his nephew or or something like that was in trouble. He needed to send money, and he thought this lady was in on it, and she obviously was not in on it. She she was just, you know, she was just doing her gig work, said go pick up a package, which you know most of us have done.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, it's it's the the the worst part of it is is they both are basically losing their life. Well, one did lose their life and the other one's going to prison.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, I mean, yeah, he lost his life too.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, and it's all for this scammer that probably never got caught or prosecuted or anything like that.
SPEAKER_10:Right. Never never had anything done. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:So I mean, we talk about you know, scams out there and we all laugh about it and stuff like that. Like, don't fall for it, which I swear once a week on the subreddits of of the pages, I see somebody say, Hey, this happened to me, am I able to get my money back?
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, yeah, you see it all the time. Facebook groups, Reddit groups, you know, because there's always new drivers, they're you know, they're seeing it for the first time and and haven't, you know, haven't uh seen it come up before or haven't heard about it, haven't read, you know, read through the the old chats in those groups and seeing where it's happened to other people. But I mean, I know we've all had it happen to us numerous times over the years. People call you right in the middle of the ride, hey, or you get a text, hey, this was a you know, this is cancel this ride, or you know, we need your information, we need to verify this. And all the time it's just you know, it's it's just it's just BS.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, it's a shame that it happens. And I always feel bad on Reddit. Larry and I were just talking about Reddit. He goes, I don't go on there much. I'm like, man, Larry, you'd love it. But I'm telling you, it's anonymous and people are ruthless. Like, where I would be like, Man, I'm really sorry that happened to you, but like just be smart next time. They're just like, you fucking dumbass. Like, what? Why I can't believe you did that, blah blah. Just I'm like, bro, like the the guy's already hurting, you know what I mean? Just like, you know, let him, you know, be be alone. He he's sad, you know. This should happen to him.
SPEAKER_10:So no sympathy on the Reddit.
SPEAKER_09:No, no sympathy on the Reddit whatsoever. They are frickin' ruthless for sure.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, see, I was trying to I was you know, trying to be show my age there and call it the the Reddit. The Reddit. It's like the Facebook. I think you're on the Facebook.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, uh a lot of people, older people too, will be like the internet. Yeah, you know, they'll add an S to the end of the internets too. That's freaking hilarious.
SPEAKER_10:So I'm not there yet.
SPEAKER_09:No, well, it what helps is you're uh you're an IT guy, so you really can't be that bad.
SPEAKER_10:I shouldn't, I shouldn't be.
SPEAKER_09:Shouldn't be what, that bad or an IT guy?
SPEAKER_10:Well, both some days. Okay. Yeah, I should I shouldn't I should know to call it the internet, not the internets. Internets, yeah.
SPEAKER_09:Why do people like to add S's on things like up here it's Meyers? Yeah, or Kroger's.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, or Aldi's here. Yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, I gotta go to Kroger's.
SPEAKER_09:It it it takes every ounce of like call of restraint that when my mother-in-law says Aldi's to not say it's not Aldi's, right? It's Aldi.
SPEAKER_10:Right. Right. No S. No S on there. So yeah, it's a it's just a common human trait, I think, because yeah, so many people do it. For sure.
SPEAKER_09:Um, all right, Larry, this little picture here, um we'll pop that up.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, so for our audio listeners, this is a note somebody put on a post-it note stuck on their door, or maybe something a little bigger. Uh, it's hard to tell. There's nothing really to reference the size of the note, but I mean it's a sticky note. Delivery drivers bring a travel mug for a hot cider, knock, and then it has high in parentheses. Um, so I mean, uh, you know, to me, this is this is you know, very nice of the people to put it on there. Um just personal thoughts on it and uh and some of the some of the I guess comments I saw below it. One, uh probably not drinking something that's not sealed from some stranger's house. And two, uh it's like an Amazon driver, our FedEx drive, they don't have time to be going back to their even if they have a travel mug, you know, that they drink coffee out of, that you know, they don't have time to be going back to their car and getting a mug coming in and getting a drink, you know. It's it's it's wonderful when the people leave the little cooler out with canned drinks or uh you know, candy bar or stuff like that. And that that's not saying you can't tamper with something in the trap because it's very, you know, it's it's wouldn't be hard to do that. Uh but people, you know, you do tend to trust them more. But yeah, something homemade like this that somebody I'm I'm probably gonna say thanks, but but no thanks.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I mean, honestly, even the um even the stuff I get from my kids, I oof, I typically don't eat homemade stuff. Cause like I don't know what kind of kind I mean you kind of got well you kind of it all depends. If you really start knowing the family and you understand and you see mom and dad there and they look put together, maybe. But yeah, I don't uh I typically don't do that, and I definitely wouldn't do this. Although I this is a little insight into me. I've always wanted the Cheers bar. You know, Cheers, the show, yeah, the bar. I've always wanted a place that knows my name. Sure. So and that's been a thing for me, and it sounds silly, but like I like being recognized, and we talked about this. Like, if you start going to the same gas station and they you know you start building a relationship. And as an as a UPS guy, this I might take the cider if I started talking to this guy recognizing.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, if you had if that's different. That that's much here. If you've if you've started to build a relationship with this person because you're delivering to them all the time, uh yeah, that's a totally different story. And and talking about, you know, enjoying people knowing your name. It's I I I understand that a hundred percent. When I have like people recognize me lifting with Larry, yeah, it's it's the funniest thing, especially like if my wife or or or somebody, my friend, like me and two of my my my college friends were eating one day and we were eating at this random, you know, just this little sandwich shop, sub shop. And one of the girls that was waiting on us or checking us out at the cashier, she looked up, she's like, You're lifting with Larry, right? And my buddy looked at me and he's like, What the fuck? What is going on? Because he hadn't been around it. Yeah. He didn't know the story that much. She's like, We sat down and he's like, How did she know you? So, you know, I had to go through the whole story, but yeah, that is nice to have a place where you know, we're like I'm like the song says, where people know your name and you know, place you where you fit in, you know, you you're welcome.
SPEAKER_09:I had a guy at it was come and go. Dude, just he just he he recognized me and he already like I don't know, he knew my name, and it was like it was but of course, you know, the gas station people they come and go and yeah, he left. But like, yeah, I uh I see what you did there.
SPEAKER_10:Come and go.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, oh nice. Where is it? Damn it. I did not mean to do that. I know you did. I told Megan, we uh we go to these breweries downtown, and a lot of these places have like apartments up there. I'm like, man, we should move here, and then I could just come home from work, have one beer, maybe two, then just head up there. Oh man, that'd be amazing.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, yeah, and it's funny. And uh and and like you're talking about another example, the cookout. I told you there's a lady there, she's one of the managers, and uh uh like I went in today at lunchtime, she was working daytime. Usually she works at night. But like I come in, she always, hey, how's it going? How's the Ubering? Are you busy? You're gonna be out this weekend, you know. Sometimes she'll give me a free tea or you know, give me a discount on stuff. And yeah, it's just nice to have places like that where you go and and people know you.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I don't know what it is. It's not fame, it's just you feel like you feel special for that moment, you know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. For sure. Steve says they come and go at come and go. Well, you spelled the come and go wrong. It's actually spelled. He's probably thinking I'm gonna spell the other one, but no, it was K-U-M. Um, but yeah, they're they're they got bought out. So um end of an era. End of an era. Uh moving on here, Keith for Sutherland. Oh my goodness. Oh, so he got arrested for an assault. Uh, the original article didn't say what he did, but then Steve and I talked about it. He uh he's he's only 59, by the way. Yeah, he's my age. He's young. But uh he ended up being intoxicated and punching and choking the driver. Um bunch of felony charges,$50,000 bail. Uh so yeah, I mean, it sucks. He uh he definitely has a little bit of a little bit of a drinking problem. That's what I've heard. Yeah, um, so we I think the last Patreon we we talked about it. Uh he was in the Lost Boys, Young Guns, and a f he was in a few good men. I don't remember what he played in that movie. Do you remember?
SPEAKER_10:No. No, you remember Kevin Bacon.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah. Uh and he was in a time to kill, but most people I I think recognize him from 24.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, our our uh designated survivor.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, that one he was in. But yeah, it sucks. Uh yeah, at least the driver can retire. Yeah, you sue the fuck out of him. I mean, I'm not saying he's like mega loaded, but he's he's got enough for a couple hundred grand to uh think so to pay out. But yeah, God leave these fucking drivers alone, you know what I mean? Fuck. We see so many stories about the like you what what pissed you off so much that you had to punch and choke the driver.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, I mean, I shust just been having a bad day or something. I don't know. Maybe he's a mean drunk, you know. So people I when I was in um uh my medic training uh in the military where there was a guy that was in our unit and uh his name was Roop. That was his last name. We called everybody that last name. Yeah, and then that's he was if he got when we got drunk on weekends, we stopped hanging out with him because he got drunk, man, he wanted to fight somebody. And he was he was he was you know he was pretty fit dude. Yeah, he could fight. And some people were just like that. You know, you had people that some people were happy drunks, you're quiet drunks. Yeah, you know, some are just loud, but man, some of them they just want to fight.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:That's and that's maybe the way Kiefer is. I don't know.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I don't know. Like it's been a while since he's gotten into like uh Yeah, it's been it's been a while.
SPEAKER_10:I haven't heard anything you know negative about him in a long time.
SPEAKER_09:I think they had said something.
SPEAKER_10:Um Yeah, I think he talked about it another time, earlier time he'd been arrested.
SPEAKER_09:Oh, 2009. Yeah. He headbutted somebody, and then at the time he was on probation in California for 2007 drunk driving conviction. He was in jail for 48 days? Holy shit.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, kept his nose clean for a little while after that.
SPEAKER_09:But that's a long time for a a drunk driving conviction, and B for a celebrity to be in jail for 48 days. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_10:I think the guy he headbutted was somebody fairly wealthy.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, but that wasn't from the headbutt. That was from the drunk driving. He was in there before.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it might have been one of those things where he had been slapped on the wrist for a few times, and they're like, Boy, it happens again, we're gonna have to keep you. Probably.
SPEAKER_09:I don't know, but um Uber and Kroger's launch a new like that callback like ten minutes later.
SPEAKER_10:You beat me to it, man. I was gonna I was gonna exact same line.
SPEAKER_09:Yes, I was they launched a new nationwide delivery service. Uh Larry's gonna talk about that.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, so uh so Kroger, like I said, Kroger and Uber uh launching an on-demand and same day delivery. So uh what it does, it just allows you to buy groceries and any other item that you can find in Kroger from oh you know, almost 2,700 stores that they have. Uh you can get that, you can do that through the Uber Eats, Uber, and Postmate apps, it says. So I don't know how you'd order it through the Uber Rat.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I didn't like that. That's not new. I mean, maybe it's new for them, but it made it sound like it was like a different company.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah. Uh see I'm sure they still reference. I guess they have Postmates available still in some places because we hear it, we were we see it referenced in our these articles. Uh time by, you know, I know here it just kind of got uh you know absorbed wrapped in, yeah, absorbed in into the Uber app, I guess. Uh so yeah, they're just talking about, you know, it's just another collaboration that we see between these companies, you know, DoorDash is collaborating with everybody they can get their hands on, it seems like. Um Uber's falling suit. You know, they're wanting to be you know the one-stop app for everything, you know, your rides, your your groceries, your deliveries, any anything that you want. But uh so this is not just for Kroger, you know, it's all the other Kroger companies, including uh Ralph's Fred Meyer. Never heard of this one, King Supers, Smith's fries, Harris Teeter. That's a big one up in my wife's from Virginia. That's Harris Teeter's the big store up there. Okay, and then one called Mariano's. Uh, you can also they also have access to Kroger's floral and sushi offerings that were already available on Uber Eats. So you can schedule a delivery time that works best for whenever you know you're gonna be home. And since it's something new, of course they want to give some discounts, so they're offering up to 50% off first orders from many of the Kroger companies. Uh and if you're Uber One subscriber, which is their subscription service, uh, they also get zero delivery fees on certain orders. So it said start that started Kroger customers are able to purchase items to Uber Eats, Uber, and Postmates starting on January 15th, which was uh about six days ago.
SPEAKER_09:Okay. Uh did a little research on Postmates. Uh, I literally can get Postmates delivered to my house. So they must be just Ubers fulfilling them, but I mean, I and I I actually there's a there's they have like a buy one-get one offer for Hopcat. That there's a new place called Texas D Brazil. I know I saw so white saying that. Um, but do you have one of those by you? No, I've never heard of it. Apparently, it's like a huge just meat place, and they just bring around plates of meat, and then you like decide what you're doing.
SPEAKER_10:Okay, yeah. So it's like, yeah, Brazilian meat, but they do have one of those in Nashville. I can't remember the name of it. It was one of those places that got destroyed by that by the bombing. Oh, so uh, I don't know if they've even reopened yet, but yeah, it was Brazilian, they call it Brazilian steakhouse or Brazilian meat house. It's the they're a really good place to eat. And like you most of them have like these little uh like wooden paddles or stuff on your on your table, and when you want more of a certain kind of meat, you just you put that paddle up and the guy will come around and bring it to your table.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, yeah. That's kind of that's kind of yeah, exactly what like yeah, postmates buy one getting free from culvers. You buy a sandwich, yeah. You get one free. I'm like, man. Maybe people I don't know.
SPEAKER_10:I mean, that's not bad.
SPEAKER_09:I don't know what the cost. I mean, this sandwich says it's$7.99, but I mean, I don't know how much the delivery fees. But that that is actually new to me. I thought they shut down the Postmates website, but like clearly I can order it here.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:So I wonder, um I wonder if you download their app. Yeah, you can download their app. I swear when Uber Eats took it over, it like my app disappeared. Well, my app disappeared as a driver because Uber Eats was absorbing it.
SPEAKER_10:Exactly. Same thing with me.
SPEAKER_09:Okay, but yeah, you can download their app and just that's wild. I did not know that. I've never heard I haven't heard anyone say anything about Postmates in a hot second.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah. I mean, like I said, every now and then when it'll be mentioned in one of our stories, yes, and we're just like, what's the point? You kind of blow it off. Yeah, we're like, uh this guy's still talking about Postmates. Right. Yeah, I guess it's still a thing. Yeah, what a fucking idiot. Who's writing? Exactly. Oh, when and one more thing, uh, they hid this at the end of this article. It said uh in a separate announcement, Uber Neats announced that it would start delivering food by drone in pilot markets by the end of 20 well the end of last year. They announced this, I guess, in September. So uh yeah, supposedly they're gonna be starting testing food delivery by drone.
SPEAKER_09:I don't know. I I'm excited about the drones, but they've been like blue balling us because like I want to see it here. Like we talk about all this amazing stuff, and and I know Steve loves all the autonomous driving and delivering and drones, but um, I'm ready for it to be here just to play, you know, test it out, play around with it a little bit.
SPEAKER_10:Exactly. Yeah, what were we talking about? Was it Doordash say they were coming to St. Louis?
SPEAKER_09:Yes, and you were gonna go find a random house and get it delivered.
SPEAKER_10:Or in the parking lot or something. Well, I'll be up there uh uh not not Monday. Uh a week from this Monday I'll be up there because my son's having surgery again.
SPEAKER_09:Oh, geez, on that same ankle?
SPEAKER_10:Uh well he's had two on one ankle. This will be the third on his other ankle. This is it though. I mean, I think he's you know, this is this is kind of last shot. Okay. So he really wants to get it fixed so he can he can go through the academy. So I'll try. I don't think it'll they're probably still testing up there. They probably isn't rolled out up there, but I'll I'll see why I'm up there.
SPEAKER_09:Was it DoorDash or was it was it Walmart we were talking?
SPEAKER_10:Uh I'll have to look back week last week.
SPEAKER_09:We talked I know we talked about Walmart expanding. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:I mean it was Walmart.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, it was Walmart. You're you're right.
SPEAKER_10:You are right. Yeah, they're expanding 150 places and St. Louis was one of the ones they're coming to pretty quickly. So okay. Yeah, order something from Walmart and give them my address. I'll go out in the parking lot of a big store up there or something, see if they'll drop it.
SPEAKER_09:Go to like go to the like the so if it's Walmart, go to like a Kroger or Meyer or something like that and just like order it to there. That I think that would be hilarious.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Yeah. It's funny. Yeah, we got off. We were we were talking about that last week on the show, and I got off and looked at my phone and uh and my son had sent me a text and it said, Oh no, hell hell no, you won't. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, Were you talking about having the drone delivered to my apartment? Yeah, apparently he started listening to the stream.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, because that's the second time because he was like giving you shit about your audio, too.
SPEAKER_10:Exactly. So yeah, if you're listening to Coda, hey son, I'll see you. I'll see you next week.
SPEAKER_09:If you're listening, freaking comment.
SPEAKER_07:He's working, so oh okay, for sure. Yeah, all right. Waybo in the news.
SPEAKER_09:All right, obviously, Bubba Sue. Some of these are Steve talked about, um, so you're seeing repeats, but I already had this on the schedule for this week. But this uh this speaking of delivery, uh delivery robots, this is a robot, uh, whatever. I I want to call those a buggy. They're like a buggy. Uh, and uh it's on the train tracks and it doesn't go very well.
SPEAKER_04:Oh he's gonna push it. Oh he's gonna push it. Oh he's gonna push it.
SPEAKER_09:That is not good. They uh they they torched that thing. Let's watch it one more time.
SPEAKER_04:Oh he's gonna push it. Oh is gonna crush it. Oh he's gonna push it.
SPEAKER_10:That sound is freaking amazing. That crunch. Oh man, yeah, there is not much left of that little robot.
SPEAKER_09:You know what doesn't get enough love? People that record good videos like that and aren't bouncing around. There's nothing worse when you're excited about a story or something that happened and the camera's shaking and it's up and down. I'm like, come on, bro, you got one job. If you're not gonna do anything, record well. If you're not gonna help, if you're not gonna do anything, record the video well. But yeah, that that that is such a good crunch. Um yeah, I God, where where was it on St-Show? See, this is gonna start happening too. Like, did I talk it was on Stash show? But I swear he was talking about I don't know. I'm not gonna go into it. I'm I'm not confident. But um, yeah, that thing's fucked up. There's no repair on that thing.
SPEAKER_10:No, no, that thing was vaporized pretty well.
SPEAKER_09:Vaporized. Um, all right, another video, Bubba suit. You're gonna freaking love this one. This one goes out to all the grocery shoppers out there, and when you watch this, you're gonna be uh oh, wait, what is happening? Hold on a minute. Okay, I fucked up. I played You played number five. Yeah, but I did Waymo. I thought it was Waymo. I totally fucked up because I in my head it was I didn't know. I was just gonna let it slide, man. I wasn't gonna say nothing. Give me shit. That's what makes the show fun. I literally was like, oh yeah, it's the robot.
SPEAKER_10:So in my head, it was autonomous and it was because you hit the Waymo sound, and I looked and I was like, well, he just skipped two stories and went to Waymo. So I was gonna tell you afterwards, hey, we we need to go back to number five. And when we started doing it, I was like, oh, wait a minute, we are doing number five.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, what's funny is like I didn't we was it last week the Waymo was on the train tracks?
SPEAKER_05:Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_09:So like I was like, oh yeah, it's Waymo because it's on the train exactly. Okay, well, the robot was still good. Then I started looking at the videos. I'm like, wait a minute, what the fuck? All right. Uh first day on the job. That's right. We're we're new. All right. Uh Larry, yeah, the sexual assault thing. Uh, do you want to talk about it? Do you want to play the the first little bit of the video first? Yeah, let's play the video. All right.
SPEAKER_06:The trial that could change ride sharing forever started last week in Arizona, and no one's really talking about it. So right now, Uber is facing its first federal trial in a massive multi-district litigation lawsuit with around 3,000 plaintiffs, alleging SA. And this is what's known as a bellwether trial, which is essentially a test case that will help determine how the other 3,000-ish cases might play out. And the trial started January 13th and is expected to last about three weeks. The plaintiff is a woman named Jalen Dean, and she was R-worded by an Uber driver in Arizona after Uber had allegedly received multiple complaints about him. Uber fired the driver for breaking the company's policy against sex with passengers, but maintains in court that it was consensual. And just before the trial began, Uber tried to delay it and actually exclude evidence about their company culture.
SPEAKER_08:All right, we'll leave it at that.
SPEAKER_09:Um you got the gist of it, but I think a lot of that was spoken about what she said was in the article.
SPEAKER_10:It is, yeah. So in this article, they talk about this trial that's going on and some of the testimony that happened. So uh the the this some of these quotes that they got from some of their Slack messages are horrible. So this is uh Uber's communications director and Andrew Hasbin, H A S B U N. So in a 2018 Slack message, he said, in many cases we can and should squash stories, kill stories when possible, and mitigate the impact on our reputation. Uh and a 2019 story, um he quoted he quotes quoted here, it says, I traced I traced rape victims to USA Today, referring to a 2019 story that revealed Uber shared victims' personal information with third-party claim adjusters without the women's knowledge. So these messages are uh proving that in uh Uber executives have known for over a decade about a rampant uh sexual assault uh problem that they have, and they encourage you know their employees to stay silent about them. So she was talking about um and here's how he tried to cover it up in his deposition, he dismissed you know his his uh his slack message as a poor choice of words. He said killing a story is just industry jargon for correcting facts and explaining the context to reporters, which is the biggest bunch of bull. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, that's that's a crazy way to phrase that.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, yeah, that's not what killing a story means. I don't think anybody's gonna fall for that one.
SPEAKER_08:Right.
SPEAKER_10:Um yeah, so this uh this person who brought this case, Jalen Dean, um, in 2023 claimed that you know an her Uber driver raped her while she was drunk in the back of the car. Um you know, she says that Uber could could have prevented it by mandating in-car cameras, employing more comprehensive background checks. Uh Uber executive admitted that the company had asked for no resume, no references, no proof of previous employment or anything else when it hired uh Hassan Turay uh and also ignored previous complaints made by other passengers. That's that's that's the big one. That is the big one. You you have to, you know, you've got a bunch of complaints against somebody. Uh it's one thing if you get one, you know, one off, uh, but if you've got several complaints, man, that's got to be taken seriously. And so here's how their uh Uber's defense attorney uh tried to tried to spin it. Said it was the passenger dean who initiated sexual conversation and asked him to give her oral sex because he couldn't possibly be have been gratified by performing oral sex on her, then she must have asked for it and enjoyed it because he wasn't getting anything out of it.
SPEAKER_09:Right. Yeah. I d I can't believe that came out of your mouth like that statement. It's horrible.
SPEAKER_10:That yeah, I that's yeah, that's just incredible.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, he is an attorney, so I mean she, it's a woman, it was a woman's attorney, yeah, it was a woman's attorney.
SPEAKER_10:So uh I'm sure they did that. Uh that that was conscious decision by Uber to have a woman uh defending them. Yeah, that's true. Um yeah, so um uh this this uh uh psychologist um that was I guess um called as an expert witness said uh you know she looked through all these documents, she was given access to thousands of internal documents and policies, and she said that she um she found that Uber creates a uniquely ripe environment for Uber drivers to sexually assault women writers. These offenders don't have to work to get victims, they're matched up with them.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I mean that's a lot of it is uh, you know, just lawyer talk and trying to get people you know fussy and and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_10:Um but it it's obvious that that Uber has tried to constantly over the years tried to qua squash this, lie about the numbers, yeah, uh try to intimidate people into keeping quiet about it. Um all you know, all for the almighty dollar.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, uh I do understand trying to mitigate losses because you run a business and and and and I but doing it that way, you know, what you should be doing is be like, holy fuck, we gotta fix this shit.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, we gotta find a better way.
SPEAKER_09:We gotta find a better way, whatever that is. And and and leaning into that, what is a better way? You know, I talked on Steve's show, and and you brought it up just like I did. It I can I I don't want them to get rid of a driver for a one-off. If it happens one time, just a report of like being inappropriate. You can't, I mean, to me, just firing that guy right away is a little like come on, man. I mean, we people try to get free rides and and shit all the time. Sure. Now, if it happens a second time, yeah, you're gone.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:Not to say, okay, he raped somebody, we keep a mind. I'm just saying a report of a little inappropriate of like maybe a comment.
SPEAKER_10:Right. If there's evidence that that you know that's reasonable um to show that some you know he that they did assault, I mean, obviously you're you're gone. It doesn't matter for a time or not. But uh yeah, there has to be there has to be some burden of proof and some threshold. Um but yeah, I mean, if there's multiple reports and you know, multiple could be three, could be ten. You know, if this guy's been reported, you know, 10, 15 times, yeah, that's dropping the ball big time.
SPEAKER_09:I also think Uber should step up and really go after these drivers and assist the police. Like they're the ones that are calling the cops. Like I'm guaranteed they're not doing shit. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_10:All they ever say is, you know, we've cut off access. They can't be a driver anymore. They're cut off access to each platform.
SPEAKER_09:If they want to, if they want to save their face, like, hey, we're gonna help you, we're gonna invest, you know, we're gonna call the cops, we're gonna get this guy. He's obviously off the platform, but we're gonna make sure you're comfortable. Like, that's why like these stories, like that that woman creator that I got that from, she actually, it was such a small creator, and I I appreciate her talking about it because I I kind of miss the boat on it too. I hadn't really heard I've heard a little bit. We talk about the lawsuits, and I know we talked about this in the last six months, but I mean, it just was really nice for her to kind of break it down a little bit. But that's the thing, like, no one's talking about it, and and Uber just needs to be a better, more stand-up company, and just I'm not asking them to like you know pay for her therapy or whatever, but like just show some some decent human beings are running the program there and they they're willing to go after this guy and help her out in a way. Uh, you know, they probably gave her$15 worth of credits and said, Yeah, you know, you're good.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, you're right, it was free.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, and and I'm sure the numbers are higher now because Uber's such a much you know bigger company, but in 2018 or 2017 and 2018, between those two years, 5,981 reports of sexual assault, 464 reports of rape in uh 2017 to 2018. So I mean, that's 3,000 uh you know reports of sexual assault a year. That's and that was when they were a much smaller company.
SPEAKER_09:Right. And you know what's crazy is remember you had brought up that only 15% of the people in the if you look at that number in the bigger markets are using it, that number is that three grand or it's probably more, it seems a lot higher. So flip the script, Larry. You're the CEO of the company. This is getting brought to you. What what would you what what do you want to do? What would you do to try to fix it? Now, obviously, I you know I'm putting you on the spot, so don't feel like Sure.
SPEAKER_10:And and we've we've gone over this many times trying to figure out what is the what are the best steps to put in place. You know, maybe you know, I I guess you you you would start out with maybe more comprehensive or more frequent background checks. I know that that cost them money. Uh but easy stuff. I'm like this guy, if he's had several reports, multiple reports of assaulting victims, you know, that's that's low-hanging fruit there to get rid of people like that. You've got uh more drivers than you can shake a stick at. Now it seems like um you know, every third car on the road, it seems like it's a ride share car. Um maybe they do need mandate mandated cameras, whether that be your camera or their camera, but some you know, some kind of camera.
SPEAKER_09:I think that would that would help a lot. I really do. As much as I don't want Big Brother in there, I mean I have my own camera and we've talked about that so we're blue in the face. But I I don't hate that. I don't hate that. But then here's the thing like, does a driver pay for that? Or does like, see, that's the thing, because you know, if they get they make they give me a camera, right? And it somehow has cloud access and everything, I don't take rides anymore. Once in a blue moon, like, are they gonna really pay for me to have a camera? So you you know, you got they're running a business too, so um, or maybe they maybe they force you to maybe they just force you to have one. You have to like a hot bag, you have to take a picture of it, upload it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it's just part of it. It's part of it. If you want to do it, then you gotta buy a camera.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah. The other thing, Steve actually brought this up, and I thought it was a great idea. Uh, having like a background check that is fingerprint that you pay for the the driver, but it's something that's like you can use on every app.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:So like every year you get one. So like you you go on to uh DoorDash and they're like, oh, this driver's been fingerprinted and dah da. I I don't think that's a a a bad plan at all.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, no, and that's definitely feasible. Uh, you know, many, many websites and stuff use what they call federated identification where it's stored in one central place, but it's used by, you know, it's how you can log into places with your Facebook login, you know, things like that. So if they had a storehouse for, say, you know, gig workers, like you said, yeah, I'm I'm I'd be fine going and giving my fingerprint, doing doing a background check and and letting it be used in my elbows.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, and once a year, I mean 150 bucks. I mean, we just threw that number out.
SPEAKER_10:Cost of doing business.
SPEAKER_09:Cost of doing business. I know people would throw a fit about it, but then it'd be like, people will do it. They they want to drive, they want to work. You know what I mean? Now, is it gonna, you know, obviously, if if the guy's just a creeper and's never gotten caught, yeah, that's not gonna do anything, but at least make a fucking attempt. Like, so what's gonna happen with all these lawsuits? You know what I mean? Like, what's gonna come out of this? What's the court gonna say? Like, I don't know. This this seems like a pretty money monumental case, and that hopefully some change will come from it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, it'll be interesting to you know try to keep tabs on this and see how it goes. And like I said, they're kind of looking at this as kind of a bellwether case on how a lot of these other may go. This this might be kind of a precedence case that could could be good or really bad for Uber.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, we shall see. All right, Waymo take two.
SPEAKER_07:Waymo in the news.
SPEAKER_09:Alright.
SPEAKER_05:Keeps coming up to the gate, but it's not pulling forward enough for the gate to open. So it's just stuck in our complex. Driving around, I guess for the rest of the day. I don't know. It just keeps doing this. This is the third time it's done it. Oh, it's amazing.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I don't know where that video went, but so you know what's funny about that is yeah, those gates you have to get close enough. I even uh we just had a new building put in and they put in some pretty sophisticated gates. Uh and they're big, but they're so fucking slow. But yeah, I the first kind of couple times I I pulled up and I'm like, and then I like I'm at I had to really get close to it before it opened. I'm like, this is a little uncomfortable, but yeah, that's another coding thing. Like, why didn't and why does it back up and drive around if it's the only fuck like what are you gonna do? Drive around. I mean, you got GPS, you know that's the only way to get in and out.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, yeah, or code it somehow, you know, if it stops and doesn't open, you know, have have a threshold, have it go a little closer, you know, six inches and whatever. Yeah, you know, I mean they could get closer than it than it did. It's it wasn't that close.
SPEAKER_09:No, and it does it, you know, you does seem like you're a lot closer, like you're like, oh my god, I'm gonna hit this gate, but you're probably three feet away from it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, yeah, and and the Waymo should be able to, you know, know that for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I it's funny. I've we have a a uh a similar gate at at our campus, uh, you know, where I work at, and um that's the only gate that that is electric, you know, that that opens. Um other three gates are manual. Our security guards will open and shut them at the beginning and end of the day.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_10:And the first time I'd stayed after that after work one day, uh working on something, and then went to leave, you know, the gateway was shut, and then the other gates, and I pull up to our main gate and I did the same thing. I didn't pull up close enough. Okay, so it didn't open. So I turned around. I was like, there's I guess there's another gate somewhere. And I look over and this security guard's running after me trying to catch me. Oh, he's like, No, no, you gotta pull up a little closer.
SPEAKER_09:Okay. So I guess I don't feel as bad. Like apparently you got to get real close to those suckers. Sometimes, yeah. Uh well, that's all right. But yeah, that Waymo again, this seems like a kind of a simple coding thing of uh, hey, you just gotta pull up closer. So yeah. All right, Bubba Sue. This is the one I wanted. If it fucking disappeared, no, it's still in here. Uh, this guy is a delivery driver, and um watch how he delivers these groceries. Oh, it gets worse.
SPEAKER_10:Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_09:I thought he was gonna eat that the laundry detergent on there. Oh, then he falls. Isn't that crazy? That is nuts. Like, um, and then there was a big conversation uh online about you know, this is why you tip afterwards, and that or uh someone said, Well, I see a no-tip order, or I see a no-tip order, or yeah, basically the the person didn't tip, they were accusing the the poster of not tipping, and so there's a huge tipping uh conversation about that. But well, you know, first of all, there's a couple levels. First of all, if you are a driver and you take a no-tip order, fuck you. That's your problem. Number two, you have ethics problems if you're just like I don't it if you're just gonna dump groceries out like that.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah.
SPEAKER_09:Like you have a problem. And and three, I don't know if he was angry. I just think that's what he does.
SPEAKER_10:Uh yeah, I mean, he wasn't his uh body language wasn't really showing right anger, but I mean, surely that's you know, they're gonna they're gonna fire him.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, I will they? I mean, Uber keeps people around that, you know, had have multiple reports of sexual misconduct. Um, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that I just I when I watched that, I was just like, what the fuck is this guy? Like and she said he didn't have a look of anger on his face.
SPEAKER_10:No, that's why I was like, but I mean what normal person is gonna do that.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, it's a low bar of entry, Larry. We've it's a no bar of entry. Yeah, it's a no bar entry. We've talked about this. So um yeah, I I I literally was watching that and I kind I didn't gasp because like I've seen a lot, but I was like, what what is he doing? Why why did he think that that was okay? But uh I don't know. I love to I would love to see a follow-up video if she did of like you know what I don't know if it was Instacart or whatever, but um yeah, fuck that guy. Don't do that, don't do that shit. So Larry wants to talk about this Uber and lifting in Israel. Um we're not getting political about it. Just tell the story and then we'll talk about it because it it's kind of strange that they're doing this.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, and and uh so they they've got uh a bill that's uh going through their you know approval process, I guess, or their legislation, uh to allow rideshare driver you know services like Uber and Lyft to operate in in Israel, which they have not been able to at this point. Um, you know, they're trying to uh you know open the path, open the the market for them. And I guess the big uh pushback is the taxi industry over there. Oh, okay. As as it was here. Um for it says if if this new legislation is approved, it's gonna severely disrupt the taxi sector, which which has for years successfully lobbied to keep Uber and other rideshare services out of Israel. So in this bill, they put you know wording in there about regulation, uh, including you know stuff for passenger safety, driver screening, insurance coverage, monitoring the condition of the vehicles. And it also includes some kind of a compensation uh mechanism support system for for the taxi driver. So somehow they're gonna try to, I guess, keep the keep the playing field level or try to some kind of fun to help these guys. I don't know, you know, whether it's try to get them to retrain and do something else or just uh give them you know give them money to compensate for their lack of business they're gonna have. Okay. Yeah, I hadn't really uh they didn't really explain it too much. But uh yeah, they said that it, you know, they they would expect that it would it would significantly increase you know your ability around the around the big cities, especially to uh be able to get a ride in a in a timely fashion.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I guess the I guess the problem I have with it is like you know, politics aside, it's it's kind of the I mean literally uh you click on that article and it's it's an Israel-based article, and they're like days through 347 days of war. You know what I mean? So it's like a war going on, and like I don't know why Uber and Lyft would want to like be a part of that, not politically, but just like it just seems like a lot of like you know, you're you know, if you're putting drivers in danger. I mean, I get it. If if you're if if you live there and you you own a taxi company or whatever, you're kind of in it never, and and but I don't know, it just seems a little strange that they would do that.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, and so Uber Uber actually was allowed to uh allowed to allowed to start there in 2014, but it was only as a platform for licensed taxi drivers. Oh, interesting. To be a driver, you you had to be a licensed taxi driver. Okay. But it it was uh it was kind of um couldn't really compete for uh against the local taxi services, and so it shut down in 2023.
SPEAKER_08:Okay.
SPEAKER_10:So yeah, they it's had we're encountered just a huge resistance from in in a lot of the markets over there from taxi drivers who you know claim it's gonna do what it's done to most taxi drivers here. It's gonna be a good thing.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, and it's and you know, they they're not stupid. They have the internet, they're looking around saying, well, God, they don't pay for shit. You know what I mean? And I'm making this much being a taxi driver. So I would do the same thing, honestly.
SPEAKER_10:Well, sure, yeah. If that's what I've been, yeah, I if I'd been a taxi driver and for 20 years and and this came and started taking my money, you know, I couldn't support myself anymore. I'd be I'd be pissed on a fit too.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, I don't I don't blame them. It just my my whole thing about it was just I didn't know Uber was around there. Well, it was I mean, I guess they've been off and on, you know, with war, but you know, it just seems like a weird time to kind of flex it now and all this shit's going on there, but uh yeah, just crazy.
SPEAKER_10:Hey, if they can make money, man, Uber, Uber's all about it.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah. Um, let's see. Manshot uh while working as unofficial rideshare driver known as Hood Uber. So we'll play this. I never had heard of it.
SPEAKER_01:You've probably heard about Uber and Lyft, but how about Hood Uber? It's a group on Facebook where people can find offline rideshare, avoiding fees and surcharges you might find on Uber or Lyft. It may sound like a win-win, but not for one Westside driver who was shot during his shift. He was hit in the shoulder and is recovering. It's a scary and illegal situation, but I spoke to another driver who says she's willing to take the risk in order to make ends meet.
SPEAKER_00:Economy the way it is, and prices so high, you know, saving a dollar is very valuable. Above all things, the Lord is with me. So I don't fear.
SPEAKER_01:Now tell us, does that sound like a good idea to you?
SPEAKER_09:I kind of cackled. Uh the Lord is with me. I'll be fine. I'm like, yeah, okay, yeah. The Lord's there, but he also says, don't put yourself in dumb situations if you can help it.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, so uh, I mean, you don't ever do hood Uber? Come on now.
SPEAKER_09:I've seen some hood Uber cars.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, we've been in some hood uber.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, we've been in some fate. What was it? Was it Faith the last one in there? Or was it Gabe that was just destroyed? Like mud. I think it might have been Gabe.
SPEAKER_10:I think it was Gabe.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, it was so bad.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, and I mean the you know, the the this is we've talked about we didn't call it hood Uber, but I mean it's you know, it's cash rides, you know, it's it's the same thing. You you're not you're not having protection. You don't know there's no record of who you're picking up. There's no protection if this person gets sick in your car, if they if they damage your car, uh if they you know carjack you, uh you get in a you know, these people if you're worried that much about money, I guarantee they don't have commercial insurance on their car. So you're hurting if you get in a wreck with somebody who doesn't have any insurance. There's just man, there's a lot of red flags on that.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, and I know it happens around here too. I'm in my local Facebook groups or like the the big city one, which um and they they're like, Oh, I need a ride, and there's like six people that pop in and say, Yeah, I can take it. For a while there, I would really fight them and say, Well, make sure that person has commercial insurance because you know that if they don't, but you know, and then I'm like, Well, I'm I'm I'm talking into the the scrap sphere.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, you're just gonna get you're just gonna get pushed back on that.
SPEAKER_09:And well, I never got pushed back, but no one really gave a shit, basically.
SPEAKER_10:Uh yeah, we have people here, especially there's there's uh uh one uh or a couple people that are constantly posting, hey, don't forget, I take rides, I'll take you to the national airport, I'll do this, I'll do that. And then one of the people here who do that a lot, somebody posted their mugshot, got arrested for DUI.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, geez.
SPEAKER_09:It's easy. I I do feel like they do need a ghetto Uber. We talked about this because I do feel like I see a lot of people talk about basic bones, I'm bills, that someone cars 25 years old as well as it's running that's Uber because I feel bad for people like they get the so the Amazon warehouse is kind of out in the boonies, and I see a lot of people saying, Hey, I work at Amazon, blah blah blah. I can't afford lifting Uber, which of course you can't because it's expensive. Yeah, we're not seeing that money, but they're paying out the ass. So maybe there needs to be some sort of like what was that app we um was it handshake? I don't know, it's one of those apps where it's like they connect two people together, but they don't take any money or something. It was some sort of like like a handyman app, but like something like that for like rideshare where it's like they can connect with each other and they can work out the deal, but it's more in a like a third-party space. Right. I don't know, something's gotta happen because I do feel bad for these people and they're gonna take advantage of somebody doing hood Uber.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, and and but the thing is if if Uber had a lower tier, what you know, what drivers are gonna be taking that lowest lower tier. I mean, I guess there's gonna be somebody will take it.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, people take the two dollar Doordash orders. Yeah, so you know, somebody would take it. I I don't know how much lower you can go on a I mean, you know, if you Here, let me let me let me pay you to come pick you up and take you somewhere. Yeah, that's basically it. Um, I don't know that some because I I do feel bad for people that it's called a bus. Well, yeah, unfortunately, Bubasu, the buses don't run 20 miles out of the city. You know what I mean? And and and Grand Rapids is not a great space for public transportation. We have a lot of buses, but everything is so spread out. You know, once you're out of like one mile out of the city, it's just like you gotta drive miles for stuff. And uh yeah, it's just it's just tough to do. So um, yeah, don't do hood uber. They don't have insurance. There it probably weren't background check, and they might try to touch your butt.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, they might.
SPEAKER_09:You might if you like that, good go for it then. You do you. All right, last story. Um, again, we're not trying to get political, but I thought this was kind of a kind of a little scary situation. There, there's a c there's a bunch of them going around where it's actually the the live video and it's too much screaming. So I finally found one that kind of explains it.
SPEAKER_10:Before we play it, let me it it it seems like at first they they reference it as a he and then they reference it as a female. Yeah. It confused me.
SPEAKER_09:I thought that the he got arrested while they were outside and she ran into the house.
SPEAKER_10:Maybe let's I'll listen to it again. We'll we'll decipher it. All right.
SPEAKER_03:A Mexican food delivery driver was pursued by ICE after his location was provided by DoorDash, but he was saved by a Native American female customer. The woman was working for DoorDash when several ICE vehicles began following her. In panic, she ran into the home of the customer she was delivering to and explained what was happening. After hearing her story, the Native American woman decided to help her and let her hide inside. ICE officers soon arrived at the house and demanded that the woman hand over the delivery driver. The driver's husband had already been arrested and she was crying and shaking in fear. The homeowner first called the police for help. The police told her that if she did not turn the woman over, she could face charges for hiding a fugitive. In the final moment, the homeowner refused. She told the officers to leave her property. Because they did not have a search warrant, ICE officers could not enter the home. After a short standoff, they were forced to leave. At the time, the homeowner was inside with her partner and their 18-month-old baby. Her other three children were at school. Many people have suggested that delivery drivers should delete the DoorDash app because DoorDash provides your location information to launch.
SPEAKER_09:Okay, so so that's part of it. I don't know if that's true.
SPEAKER_10:Yeah, I don't either.
SPEAKER_09:I mean, I can't imagine that they would do that. Um so yeah, I I feel like that was a little AI video because they kind of fucked up at the beginning, but it the way they spoke the word of you know, they were saying it was a he, but then later in the story we figured out that it was he already had gotten arrested.
SPEAKER_10:Right.
SPEAKER_09:Yeah, that's what kind of threw me off. What are you looking up? I see your tech writing information to ice. I mean, if that's true, that's wild. Um, I don't think it is because I I mean I feel I feel like there would be lawsuits up the yin yang about that.
SPEAKER_10:Uh yeah, it says they do it when required to do so by valid legal processes such as subpoenas, court orders, or search warrants.
SPEAKER_09:Well, right, and and they didn't have a warrant, and that's you know, don't fucking let cops in your house if they don't. I don't there ain't no cop, I I'm not eating yeah. Here's the definitive word.
SPEAKER_10:Snope says it's false.
SPEAKER_09:Okay, yeah, I figured as much. Yeah. Um, of course, if they have a subpoena and stuff like that, uh, but yeah, don't let people in your house or cops in your house. Like, I I'm not even guilty of anything. I'm not letting a cop in my house. Uh I mean I'm not anti-cop by any means, but like, hey, bro, like this is my space. I leave me alone. And I'm glad the woman didn't uh or I glad the person didn't turn the woman over. Um because absence passion. Yeah, I mean, I'd have done the same frickin' thing. Um I but now if you watch the video, there's a lot of screaming. I wouldn't have done that, I would just shut the door. Yeah, yeah. She started yelling at the cops. I'm like, no, just shut the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all you need to do. They'll go away. It's fine. You you know you're right. So it's scary for everyone involved. And I'm and and yeah, she should have just shut the door because it got a little crazy there at the end. But yeah, um that happens. Yeah, it happens when you got six cops at your door trying to trying to capture you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_10:Definitely.
SPEAKER_09:Well, thank you guys so much for uh enjoying the show. Uh 8 10 p.m. in nine minutes while I'm Patreon, patreon.com slash the Gigon Podcast. Thank you, Bubba Sue. Steve, Steve's got a show uh right now at 801. Head over there. Um, if it's still going on when I'm done with Patreon, I'll stop over and say hi. Um, but traveler, thank you, and Bubba Sue and Steve, appreciate it guys so much. And as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit.
SPEAKER_10:And we'll see you on the road. All right, have a great night. Yeah, good night, everybody, and stay safe if you're gonna be in the snowstorm.
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