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Ride Cancelled Mid-Trip, Here’s How Drivers Lose Money Fast | Ep 288
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We dig into the week’s wild mix: snow closures and NTI days, shrinking gig hours, the end of Dovetail screenshots, Spark incentives that don’t always land, and a sober look at autonomy after Waymo’s low-speed child impact and an impatient merge around a semi. Safety, strategy, and sanity lead the way.
• school shutdowns, NTI days, local differences
• dovetail payouts ending and data value
• spark curbside incentives vs real earnings
• daytime rides vs night rides for risk control
• don’t deadhead, stage and wait for pings
• tax changes on tips and murky guidance
• doordash healthcare routes and paid training
• alcohol delivery compliance and state rules
• handling canceled-ride confrontations safely
• viral courier rants and doorbell cameras
• waymo braking vs human reaction time
• waymo blocking a semi and risk logic gaps
• walmart spark metrics reset and tiers
• waymo vs uber pricing trends and ETAs
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Kicking Off And Milestone Banter
SPEAKER_07Man, I gotta I gotta I gotta work on that timing. I'm trying to get it like right when we uh right when it hits that drop to kind of come around, but I gotta I gotta figure it out. So yeah, we'll figure it out. Yeah, well, no, I'll figure it out. Fucker. Uh welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast. This is episode 288, marching to 300. I obviously I think we'll hit 300 this year.
SPEAKER_04So Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_07That'll be a huge milestone. Uh go to gig economy show.com for everything gig economy related. Patreon members, we love you, we thank you. Samson, Bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal Kickass, and Anna. Appreciate you guys' support. Gig Economy Show. Patreon.com slash the gig economy. Uh Patreon.com slash the gig econ podcast. There we go. Holy shit. It's not like I haven't said it a million times. Uh go there if you want to sign up. Uh stories from the road. Larry, uh, any driving or any gig work at all?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, we you know, we've been still dealing with ice cream. Like our our schools uh in our county are out again tomorrow. They just announced it about an hour ago.
SPEAKER_07Wait a minute. So you were gonna you were out all last week. Yes. And you've been out through Wednesday today. And out tomorrow. What the hell is going on? You can't I look at I'm speechless. Like you can't truck in a bunch of salt and just start pitching it everywhere?
School Closures, NTI Days, And Local Chaos
SPEAKER_04I you know, I can't explain. It's it's one of those things, you know, it this this doesn't happen very often here, so they don't invest the money, I guess. Uh that's the only thing I can explain. Uh, because it's been a long, long time since I remember I I don't know if I remember school being out this long.
SPEAKER_07Well, you're all gonna have to make up at the end of the year.
SPEAKER_04Well no, they do NTA da NTI, they call them NTI days, so it's basically what they did in COVID. So they don't they don't attack them on at the end of the year.
SPEAKER_07Really? I don't know.
SPEAKER_04So they're doing they gave them one actual snow day. The first day was that was a snow day. So teachers didn't have to do anything, kids didn't have to do anything. But after that, it's called NTI. And um, it's weird how different school systems do it do it differently. Like at the last uh school system that my wife worked in, like teachers were online and doing classes and answering questions and all that, and then the one she's at now, uh teachers they they post the homework for the day and they're available if anybody has questions, but they don't do videos or anything like that. So it's it's very interesting.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I I I don't know why mish uh the northern schools I mean we we figure it out during COVID. Yeah, you know what I mean? Unless it's a union thing or the contract says, but yeah, there is no learning going on in our snow days.
SPEAKER_04So it's yeah, but but they do they have to make them up at the end of the year?
SPEAKER_07Well, so we get six a year that we don't have to make up.
SPEAKER_04Right, they build them into the calendar, right?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, they build them in and then and then over that we're supposed to, but then you can apply for a waiver. You can apply for a waiver for everything.
SPEAKER_03Really?
SPEAKER_07We're also supposed to start school after Labor Day, but everyone applies for a labor and we start the middle of August. Okay. So it's just stupid.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, it's it's it's wild. Yeah. How everything is so different, different places. But yeah, you know, I'm and and you know, it's so funny to watch on Facebook because you know, there's parents screaming because the kids are not in school, and then you read another post from this student at WKU, which is in session, she's screaming about how there's so much ice and she almost got killed walking to class, and I can't Western has to do better. What what are we doing while we in school? And you know, it's it happens here too. Same way to these people. You scan you give them a voice.
SPEAKER_07I would say you give them a voice or a keyboard, and then everyone's got an opinion.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, but I mean there's uh like in even in my neighborhood, uh driveways that don't get sun, they're they're there's they're still solidized. Yeah. Because we got a little bit of rain last night. We got and then it was really foggy. We had kind of like a freezing fog, they called it. And uh we got that light drizzle down there, and then it got cold, got real cold, and and iced up everything again.
SPEAKER_07So you wanted to talk about dovetail ending?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so dovetail was uh you know a program that we I think we I don't know if you were still utilizing it. Uh no, I wasn't because you're gonna be doing right here. Yeah. But um were you utilizing it when you did any DoorDash? Yeah, I did for a while. I probably got paid out like 50 bucks. Okay. So um, yeah, Dovetail was just a program that uh they would pay you just for taking a screenshot of your week, uh, you know, what you made during a week uh for Uber Lyft and then DoorDash. Yeah. And there was nothing uh weird about it. You know, your username's not in there, they weren't doing anything like that. It wasn't a scam. Uh, but unfortunately, I you know, I don't know why. Uh they're they're shutting that program down. Uh said they're gonna
Dovetail Payouts End And Data Talk
SPEAKER_04be doing some things in the future to you know to keep watch out for. So hopefully they'll come back with something because it was it was easy 10 bucks. Literally took a couple screenshots, put it in, you could get $10 for your Uber, $10 for your Lyft, and $10 for your DoorDash.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it was a good deal. And we knew eventually it would run out, right?
SPEAKER_04Just because you know it's too good.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it's too good. I mean, it's not like they're giving you 50 cents.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, 30, you know, between the three, you know, 30 bucks.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Uh and you know, a lot of times I know I and and a lot of our people we in our chat group, I'd be like, oh man, I gotta do my one door dash, you know, so I can get my dovetail, you know, or get my one one Uber in or a one lift in for this for this week, and they would pay you, you know. Right. Never said anything about how many rides you did or anything like that.
SPEAKER_07So yeah, I mean you're they obviously you're getting the the the bonus and not if you're doing one door dash, they don't really give a shit about that. They're they're wanting the people that you know do it a lot.
SPEAKER_04Consistently, yeah, doing doing rides and doing deliveries because yeah, I'm sure they're taking this information and uh building some kind of huge database, you know. I don't know if they're building something they're gonna sell to somebody or what they're gonna use it for, but again, it wasn't any usernames, it wasn't that kind of scam or anything. You know, you were selling them, um, just earning information.
SPEAKER_07For sure. Uh for me, I did do some work uh over the weekend. I actually did some ride share, Larry, and I know it's like wow, hold on. I need I know I need I need a I need a point. We need a sound for that. We need a like, oh yeah, you did it. Good boy. Uh way to go. Woo! Yeah. So no, I did um well Spark had sent out a uh incentive that I was pretty excited about, and it said $12 with an
Weekend Earnings: Spark, Rideshare, And Tips
SPEAKER_07incentive tag of any curbside. So I go and I do it. It did not have the incentive tag, but sometimes it screws up and I get it, and it was a good order, anyways. It was like 10 miles for $35, and it was three orders, and it was it was fine, it was it was easy, and they were small. Um, so I wasn't too disappointed because you know, but basically, I guess the disappointment was when I went back in there and checked the incentive, they did not give it to me, and so I was like, oh shit. So then I got kind of got fussy and I kept seeing uh curbsides pop up, but they weren't they didn't have the tag. I'm like, well, I'm not rolling the dice again, you know. I'm not rolling the dice. So I was like, yeah, fuck it. I always do have rides on, I do have it on, but it's gotta be like $30 an hour before I'm gonna take it. Well, I ended up taking I ended up three rides, two out of the three tip, one tip twelve dollars. So I did like three rides for I think it was like fifty-three dollars with with the tips, so it wasn't bad. Um, and then I think I did a some a few Uber Eats and stuff like that. So it turned out to be a decent afternoon, just a couple of rides. I actually I didn't hate the rides. I you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, especially after you've been away from them for a while like that. You know, you know how it is. Yeah, you kind of forget some of the bad stuff.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, and you're not driving at night.
SPEAKER_04That that makes a huge difference. It really does. Generally during the day, you know, people are just uh more calm, more well behaved. You know, I mean, not to say that I haven't had somebody get in my car drunker and cooter brown at you know nine o'clock in the morning. Such a hillbilly. Um, for sure. That happens, but usually they're they're you know they're more well behaved and um not a lot of drama and and stuff like that going on during during the daytime drives.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think my first was a couple going down to Founders, they were doing a bar hop thing and they had drank the night before because it was Michigan, Michigan State basketball. And so and um they're all right, there's the one that didn't tip, so whatever. Uh and then there was a middle one somewhere I did, I don't remember that one. Uh and then the other one was some gal um picked her up downtown, brought her out. Well, what I was doing was sorry, let me back up. If you're a new driver and you're listening to this, if you ever like get stuck in a like well, a busy place, like I got taken downtown. Don't ever drive back to your location for free. Just hang tight, you know. Yeah, wait till you get a ride. That you why would you drive back for free? You're probably gonna get a ride either to your city, you know. I mean, obviously, every market's different. If you get if you get take a ride to the boonies, don't wait. You're not getting a ride. Um, so I probably waited 10-15 minutes and then I got one to the city right next to mine. So it was fine. But she was great, and then she ended up we had a great conversation, and I was, you know, I wasn't expecting much from her. Yeah, and she took me 12 bucks. I was like, shit.
SPEAKER_04There you go.
SPEAKER_07I guess I charmed the socks off her. You must have, you know, silver fox. Yeah, not the pants, the socks. Let's, you know, I'm a married man, I don't need to charm any pants off anybody.
SPEAKER_04No, so no, it's good.
SPEAKER_07I I enjoyed it. I probably will do some uh this weekend. Uh I'll probably try. I mean, but again, you know, the hourly rate, which I really love that they put that on there, because like it's a easy than like looking at the I mean you still should look at the numbers,
Day Driving Vs. Night Driving
SPEAKER_07but like yes, definitely, because they will because even I did see a couple at like 29, but it was like it just didn't seem right on any, you know. Maybe it was the location, yeah. But um, you know, you see 30 bucks, you're like, okay. And a couple of those had surges on it, so that's probably why it bumped up to 30. Yeah, that looks definitely. Uh, let's see. If you're a new driver watching, run Steve. Smartass. Um, and then a quick update on tax on tips. I know we talked about it before uh Uber had separated them and Doordash hadn't, but they do they did send out an email uh that broke down the tips. No, I don't know. It'll be really interesting on going to, I mean, I don't I'm assuming you use an accountant for your taxes. Yeah. And and my guy might be like, yeah, I don't understand this, but they really haven't the government, I don't think, has come out and said how to work it yet. I mean, I even got a letter from um my W-2 that said, hey, you know, with this new bill, only half your overtime gets taxed, but the government hasn't issued anything like how to apply it, but we're but they're required by law, and I don't know if you got a letter, but they're required by law to tell the employee how much overtime they have and what half and half of it's gonna get no tax. But the IR like I should have brought it with me, but it's a weird statement.
SPEAKER_04Okay, yeah. No, I didn't get one. I we don't get overtime.
SPEAKER_07Well, yeah, but I yeah, I I guess what I'm saying is is like that they're like, well, the law requires us to do this. We've done this, but the IRS hasn't ruled on how to do it yet.
SPEAKER_04Right, they're putting the cart in front of the horse as they usually do. Yes. Like, okay, you gotta fully follow these rules. We're not gonna tell you how to follow them. Right, but you have to better follow them.
SPEAKER_07Now, for me, I wait till the last minute to do my not the last minute, but like, so it'll be fine. I'm sure they'll have uh something on that they can do it with. But yeah, uh, so look for an email from DoorDash. You should have and they should explain how many tips, and we kind of chuckled on it last time. And yeah, I had $94 worth of tips from DoorDash in 2025. So that's wow, that's wild. That's not very much. But again, like DoorDash is just slow as shit for me. Like, I we talk about grease in the wheels. I think if you're not just super dedicated
New Driver Strategy: Don’t Deadhead
SPEAKER_07to it, like they're just not gonna send you anything.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and and you know, uh we've both changed, we we've both slowed down a little bit over the years as far as gig work. I know I I certainly have. I was just looking at I think I might have mentioned this last time, but I was looking through some of my past years and like how many rides I did this year on some of the platforms and how many I did in in you know, my big busiest year. Like I think uh I think on Uber I may have done like 350 rides this year or something. Oh wow my busiest year, I did like 2200.
SPEAKER_07Damn. Yeah, I mean for me, my my life has shifted a little bit to you know yeah, some W-2 work.
SPEAKER_04What's up? You you're doing some W-2 work as well.
SPEAKER_07Well, no, but just my timing. Like I used to have all the winters off. Right. And so I did a ton of gig, like that's all I was doing, and now I have the summers off. And I added another, you know, uh, uh the baseball job, so it's kind of you know, so I'm still doing quite a bit of gig work in the summer, but probably not as much as like you said, as much as you used to. And you know, people change. I still enjoy the I love the gig work though. I just fucking love just like going out, being by myself or doing some rides here, making my own decisions, you know, be your own boss. Yeah. Um, I just I just kind of love it. I again, I don't know if I'd want to do it every day. Um, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that would put a different kind of uh pressure on you for sure if it's you know that's what you were dependent on. Uh and that's why you know a lot of a lot of people will talk about they have hobbies and uh but they don't want to go into that hobby for that as a full-time job because it's gonna take the fun away from it, you know. Yes. And that's kind of the same uh principle, I think.
SPEAKER_07For sure, for sure. Yeah. I mean I I could see myself doing it now that there's a lot more apps. I think it's it's doable, you know, and depending on the season, like for me, flex I kind of stay away from in the winter because of the roads are shitty, but like in the summer, I'm like, I'll bang out flex every morning. So um, but yeah, I think I could do it now. I remember Megan and I talking about doing it way back in like 2017 when ride share was the only thing, and because I was like, I love this so much, honey. I want to quit my lawn care job. I remember you talking about that. I know, and she's like, I don't know, man. I'm not I'm not sure this is gonna last. And we've seen it's lasted. The the where you get your put your money in your pot is a little different, but gigwork is here to stay, I think.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, and it'll evolve as everything else with as you know, we're finally seeing the autonomous cars, Waymo
Tax On Tips And Policy Confusion
SPEAKER_04and things like that. You know, uh that's gonna change rideshare for sure. I don't think in our lifetime we'll see where there's not room for drivers for drivers.
SPEAKER_07For for for whatever reason it is. If it's by maybe cleaning the cars out.
SPEAKER_04Could be. Um, could be, but uh yeah, Waymo keeps hitting kids, they might you know some trouble.
SPEAKER_07Good segue. So uh Waymo Robotax you like that, didn't you? Yeah, Waymo Robotaxi hits a child near an elementary school in Santa Monica. Uh happened on January 23. Uh Waymo said a robotaxi struck the child at six miles per hour, which is, I mean, that seems very slow. After breaking hard from about around 17 miles per hour, the young pedestrian suddenly entered the roadway from behind a tall SUV, moving directly into our vehicle's path. The company said in its blog post, Waymo said its vehicle immediately detected the individual as soon as they began to emerge from behind the stopped vehicle. Following contact, the pedestrian stood up immediately, walked to the side, they called 911, the vehicle remained stopped, moved to the side of the road, stayed there until law enforcement cleared the vehicle to leave the scene. They also said the safety regulator from the NHTSA uh occurred about two blocks from the school, and that there were several dub double part vehicles in the vicinity, which is kind of like you know, that's that it is an issue because there's it is I mean, it's tough to know, especially from you know, even as a regular driver, it's hard, especially double. We're not used to the double part with people running in and out. Um, let's see. The last part of it I thought this was interesting. Said Waymo said in his blog post that its peer-reviewed model shows a fully attentive human driver in the same situation would have made contact with a pedestrian at approximately 14 miles per hour. The company did not release the specific analysis of the crash. So basically saying the Waymo was better, it hit it at six. Right. But a human would have hit it at what did it just I just said fourteen. Yeah. And the and and the sk the car started breaking at 17. So I mean now remember, it's they're it says peer reviewed, but I don't know what that means. You know, they're probably got some skew in there somewhat.
SPEAKER_04Could be, yeah. You know, you you can uh you always have to doubt a little bit if uh you know the company's paying for the study.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, exactly. Like it says peer reviewed, but does that it doesn't say it's independent from us paying them to do the peer review.
SPEAKER_04So yeah, but it I mean that doesn't surprise me. I you know I think it's I would lean to think it it's probably true. I would too just because uh as humans we we have a lag in in the time we see something and then the time you think to do something, and then the time your body actually does that. Yeah. And we're not computers. No, they can do it faster. They they just can.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it makes sense. Although don't you think it should have been even faster than that, though? I mean, I guess 17 down to six in a split second. I mean, you still it's the the the science of motion, right? It's like it made the decision probably quicker, right?
SPEAKER_04But it couldn't it couldn't say you can only physically stop so quickly, yeah, that's true for a certain amount of time. I mean it can't go from from you know twenty to zero in in zero one second right or half a second, whatever it is. But yeah, if it it it probably started breaking sooner than a human would have. Yeah.
SPEAKER_07What do they call is it's the law of motion? Is that like that when they're trying to figure that out, like how far something's I don't know why I mean I'm fucking idiot. I'm not even I'm on rip court.
Slowing Down Gig Work And Seasonal Shifts
SPEAKER_07I just saw your blank stare and I'm like I'm trying, I'm trying to figure out exactly where you're going. Yeah, I know, and I don't know, so we're gonna rip court on that. So well, I'm glad the child isn't hurt. Um, you know, I I think in that situation though, like I don't think I don't think the driver should get a ticket.
SPEAKER_04No, uh the kid popped out. If if a kid pops out in front of it, I mean sometimes it's uh you know unavoidable. You do all you can do. I you know, luckily, knock on what I've not hit a kid. I've hit a dog while I was doing out driving.
SPEAKER_07Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And and the same thing. Dogs running down the side of the road and just made a left.
SPEAKER_07You know, nothing you could do.
SPEAKER_04Nothing I could do. Um so yeah, if if this would have, you know, if this would have happened if there had been a human driver, I mean, it probably wouldn't have been any story at all in the paper.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, of course. It's only because it's Waymo.
SPEAKER_04Exactly.
SPEAKER_07Well, I I I honestly think they should run with that. I think you know, they always say any news or you know, it bad news or good news or whatever is good for you or whatever.
SPEAKER_04Right, no such thing as bad news.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I think they should run with it and really highlight, like, hey, we stopped way quicker than what a human would. This was an unavoidable crash. Um, but people still shit on them, you know. You're like, oh yeah, a human would have done better. I'm like, the hell you would have.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07You know, when it's a pop-out like that, now don't talk about the school bus because then you'll throw everything out.
SPEAKER_04Because that's yeah, that's a complete different conversation.
SPEAKER_07Well, I know, but it's like in one time in one side of my mouth, I'm like, yeah, good job, Waymo, for stopping sooner. In the next side of my mouth, I'm like, it's fucking school bus. Why are we not stopping at the lights? Yeah. Dickwads. Um, speaking of dick wads, lift class action leads priority pickup service is slower than advertised. Well, shocker.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, misleading advertisement.
SPEAKER_07Right, never happening.
SPEAKER_04Hard to believe, very hard to believe. So, yeah, this uh um person named uh Tracy Ziggler, she filed a class action lawsuit that says that you know, as you as you mentioned, Lyft is meeting uh misleading its customers into paying a premium price, which you do for a priority pickup ride, but that those rides are not getting there in the time that the company advertises. Says they frequently fail to arrive at the time that Lyft advertises. Uh more than that, they're you know, sometimes they take the same amount of time or even longer than a Lyft standard, you know, their standard option, which really you know piss you off if you're paying more and get later than just a regular regular Lyft ride. Um Yeah, so she she's just saying that they're making false claims, false advertising for something that's designed for people who you know need a are in an urgent need to get somewhere for you know quick pickup. Um people are paying a premium for this for a pass. they don't you know lift is not always a deliver.
SPEAKER_07Um she's claiming that their algorithm is flawed um and that even though they m they advertise you know precise pickup times um you know they really should give like an estimated range um yeah so she's asking
Autonomy’s Future And Driver Roles
SPEAKER_07for a jury trial and award of actual and compensatory statutory and damages for herself and all class members so I think that's gonna get thrown out because it's like how do you I I don't know I don't know how she's I don't know how you prove it exactly that's the thing that you know the how can you even file unless she's been able to figure it out and that's you know part of the big problem with the algorithms is like and we've talked about this before like how do we go and say fuck you or we're or even when the the companies that are the companies the people that do end up successfully doing like where are they getting this information if you don't have like a big entity on your side to like right subpoena that and do all that I mean I don't know how you prove it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah I think one of the stories we do later in uh the company you know did some uh testing on different things but yeah if you're just an individual like that it's gonna it'd be very hard to prove that I think and I honestly think a lot of that priority stuff is is kind of scammy.
SPEAKER_07Uh there's a there's a podcast I listened to called Bad Friends it's with uh Andrew Santino he's a comedian and uh Bobby um doesn't matter I can't believe I forgot his last name but anyways they talked about how priority DoorDash
Waymo Robotaxi Hits Child At Low Speed
SPEAKER_07is a scam because you're like I do it every time my fucking food is cold. And you know they're comedians they're they're like exaggerating and stuff but like I he they said I don't think the priority works. I put it in I pay for it but my food is still cloed cold I'm like how is it cold? I'm I'm supposed to be the only customer that's what you're doing. And so I often wonder if a lot of this stuff is just a way to yeah their their bank accounts yeah yeah and uh yeah you shouldn't be you shouldn't be doing DoorDash let alone paying for priority it's probably five bucks extra too or maybe it's two bucks I don't know what it is but expensive all the way around.
SPEAKER_04No matter how you go.
SPEAKER_07Right. Um okay DoorDash this is not my photo they're starting to deliver um healthcare orders welcome to healthcare orders great job completing the training blah blah blah your healthcare specific insulated tote bag will be on the way shortly the black clinical tote is required for every healthcare route once it arrives you'll be fully set up to start accepting healthcare orders. DoorDash will issue a one time payment of $20 for completing this training which is kind of nice. Payments are issued once a week on Thursday. So I don't I think this is more than like is this P or uh semen samples because like I feel like it's not prescription because it's a you know a black clinical tote. It's probably uh they're probably transplanting like human organs or an heart transplant God can you fucking imagine can you imagine you go to pull it out and it's like live organ inside like yeah I would shit a brick if that happened oh goodness yeah I don't know I yeah I would assume it's medicines but uh yeah it it is it's probably medicines and probably climate controlled medicines.
SPEAKER_04Yeah John should jump on this I mean this is right in his wheelhouse.
SPEAKER_07Yeah that's right for sure I haven't talked I haven't Johnny's been MIA for a bit I'm not sure he'd been yeah he'd been down there he's they've been getting hammered with yeah I haven't messaged him privately but I know he's been a little quiet in the chat but yeah um yeah so like even with my medicine for my Crohn's it it is in climate controlled box but that one goes through FedEx but I could see I mean I don't know why although the pharmacy's like way on the other side of the state but I can see that but I wonder if this is just I mean obviously you have to have training and they're paying you for it so it must be a little bit more than just you know doing a prescription Bubba Sue said oh my god I'm sure she heard my my organ talk um but you know just another thing you could probably you know certify for I mean I I'm all about if you're gonna work an app work it work it you know and these people that are in Walmart Spark they're like I won't do alcohol I'm like are you thinking that they're gonna be fucking shit faced I mean it I guess it's a possibility but like most of the time it's just people getting beer for the week for their family you know like they want to get out yeah yeah they don't want to go out I mean I would do that too but why aren't you working this platform for all it's worth like no I'm not doing that I'm not well okay well you're missing out just opens up more opportunities for you and less downtime. Yeah yeah I mean it's not like you have to take them now at least yeah exactly at least with Spark I will say it is a little annoying with the alcohol because they've now required you to be in the store before you take your picture and you have to take a picture before verify and then after and I'm like okay this is a little like I don't know why alcohol maybe they maybe they got in trouble with somebody that was I don't know I don't know because you have to be alcohol you have to be safe surf with Walmart like it I don't know if it's what it's called down there by you but like if you're serving like at the white caps I have to have this certificate. So Walmart's the same thing. And you know Steve and I talked about brought up such a good point. Walmart's the only one that does it these other apps that are doing it are technically breaking state law. Sure. Like Doordash and Uber not having you have that certificate is against state law.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Which is you know that's nothing new for Uber. But yeah I'm surprised they don't the Michigan uh liquor commission doesn't go after them say hey you need to have these people take this class yeah uh and yeah it's it's maybe it'll come up down the road. It's easy too it's like two
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SPEAKER_07or three hours and it's like whatever.
SPEAKER_04All right. It's it's so weird though how yeah maybe in maybe in certain states they have to like here mine just came I got an email I it's probably due now but a few weeks ago um we have to take uh Kentucky safe driver training every year for Uber right and Lyft okay but you can use the same one well at least but Lyft even yeah Lyft they they never send anything about it hardly um but I think I just do I I always just take it and it says Uber on there but I submit it to Lyft and I mean because it's the same course.
SPEAKER_07I often wonder if it's um it's something where like you get a lobbyist that's got a something up their butt and they're like well my constituent or or or representative I should say or was this is really important to them so they push it and they kind of you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04Because like they're not going to voluntarily more likely would be that this some representative owns this company that you do have to pay to do the training.
SPEAKER_07Yeah good call. Yeah I'm I guess my my whole point was I don't think the companies are going oh please we need to do this training we would we really want to do this like yeah because I mean obviously if you know you don't have to do it in Michigan.
SPEAKER_04Most of the people I've talked to that do Uber and Lyft don't have to do it. Yeah so I don't know what what it is about Kentucky.
SPEAKER_07And why Walmart well as as far as the alcohol but why Walmart is like no we want we want you to have this they're probably like CYA man cover your ass like we're gonna make you take this so at least you have the training so at least we can uh yeah and I mean once you have the training developed I mean it's it's probably probably didn't cost them that much to develop the training why not why not have the people do it right and it it's only good for three years though so I have to you have to reserve but like we talked about with the you know the background check investing that money if you could get the golden whatever where you could use that for all the apps okay it's 150 bucks a year okay but you're investing in the business that's just what it is you know these people they want to get on this frickin' you know they say they're independent contracts and business owners but they don't want to vet they don't want to pay anything and I'm like well listen bitch like you gotta do it yeah uh all right so Larry this driver yeah we'll watch this video this is about a driver dealing with some uh just kind of asshole passengers yeah we want to know what you would do and what if you think the driver's okay it's two minutes and five or two oh five I'm not sure I can make it through my ADD won't last so we'll play what we can and then we'll we'll chat about it. This one we can chat during but just FYI why'd you cancel the ride man just canceled the ride what is it canceled look my phone says you cancel the ride I can't take you guys cancel the ride just keep going I got you with cash bro just keep going I can't literally I didn't even move up one block and cancel the ride what the hell bro I ain't getting out of the car what am I doing
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SPEAKER_07I'm not taking you guys you gotta guess you gotta get out of car taking me to cancel again bro you cancel the ride everybody charged me for the ride but I'm getting out bro but the ride is canceled it canceled but I'm charged so I ain't getting out of the way what you mean you're not getting out the ride is canceled what do you mean I'm not getting out like what is that hard to understand I'm not getting out that's what's happening nah you bugging like go again go before I take your car and I just drive myself to the house you're not doing that you're gonna get out of my car shit right now nigga just keep going yo don't call me that anywhere in a bag bro like yo don't come don't call me that anywhere bro don't be fucking racist you don't know about us bro like you canceled the ride I didn't even drive one block and cancel it about my body bro like you don't know about us yo like you're just trying to scam me to get a free ride I know what you're I know what you're up to just get out the car and call me on the Uber man I scam you out of this car like yo can you just get out of my car I'm not moving can you get out of my car is this nigga I ordered the Uber I my girl she ordered it we got charged that's it you're gonna go literally I didn't even move up one block and you canceled the ride I know you didn't cancel the what I know you ain't canceled I was driving the whole time I don't know I wasn't looking I was looking at why would I cancel the ride I need the money so you could have just got the money okay obviously I was able to make it all the way to the end um what do you think about that yeah I mean I totally understandable about not moving it if the ride's been canceled I think he could have handled it a little better oh yeah he was he was he was kind of combatative about it I I I mean a little bit because yeah I mean I don't think he was combative I think he took he waited too long to take action of like getting out of the car or calling the cops like he kept arguing with them like it's yeah they're clearly not going to get out under your seatbelt take the keys step out yeah I don't know that's what I would do I mean that was two minutes and five like and we don't even know how much of that was at you know where it was edited you know what I mean it could have but gone on a lot longer yeah what happened before that but I don't know I just think you could you know like if if well what would you do well if somebody else ordered the ride for sure and I don't know that I would I would say oh you're trying to scam me I would just say hey the ride's been canceled I don't have insurance now over y'all if we get hit I'm not covered I can't take you yeah taking you you know yeah him saying that they're trying to scam again we're watching a clip of the the the interaction but I get that but they were you know they were the the passenger were definitely aggressive and you know he's like hey I'm gonna take your car and drive my seat well yeah at that point like and that dude at that point yeah you step out and like I'm calling you know yeah he's I'm like you got to get your seatbelt off because you cannot move you got to be be able to move quick like that I mean I would unbuckle right there and just be like okay this something might go down and yeah um yeah this it sucks it they probably were trying to do the scam and then say probably yeah yeah it's true what they were doing but I mean maybe in that point I would be like okay you want to do cash uh Venmo me like here's my Venmo and then then I'll like if you wanted to without the insurance.
SPEAKER_04Yeah yeah if you want if it was a short ride yeah you know we definitely you know might consider that but yeah I'm not doing cash after the ride.
SPEAKER_07No, because they're gonna fuck you. Yeah that's not happening then yeah uh yeah I I I don't think at that point when when you know you have a pretty good idea they're trying to scam you I'm probably not gonna take them from me yeah regardless right just going to say hey ride's been canceled I don't have insurance man I can't take you sorry well they were out then they were acting okay they were just kind of like yo man it's it's fine like at the beginning but then I don't know maybe they triggered them with the scam yeah when the dude's like oh man you either gonna take me or I'll take your car and drive myself and we're like do now yeah yeah well Baba Sioux says get the F out of my car yeah exactly but that's right she's from New Jersey she's like get the F out of my car yeah until you're in that situation though you don't really know what you're gonna do and each one is different you don't know how angry they are you know if you know if they're threatening your life or or whatever but yeah the second he said out you get out of the car and I'll drive it I'm like all right I'm out taking my keys or well me I'm just I don't take my fob yeah well my fob's in my pocket I'm just gonna power off hit the off button get out yeah fuck them yeah make sure you hit the off button yeah yeah don't get out because they can drive it that's right for as far as they want until they turn it off until they turn it off yeah all right this picture of a door I thought this was super cool I don't know if it's photoshopped or not this is a picture of a guy it says Doordas sent this guy a custom Nike
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SPEAKER_07tech for doing over 100k deliveries uh I mean that's that's cool I mean a hundred thousand deliveries is fucking wild by the way um yeah I can't even imagine that that's that's a lot of food deliveries so many uh but that's cool I like I like the the sweatsuit it's kind of dope um you know you know I haven't worn all year is my favorite beast get me I have so many sweatshirts yeah and they're all crammed back and then I get I get on one and I just wear it for like a week and then I wash it and then but no I'll have to pull that out uh yeah and see it's so bright all the kids in my bus will be like damn bro why are you wearing that red sweatshirt that's right I'm brightening up the day with my Mr. B shirt right I uh I should start a like a uh a story I'm like yeah Mr. Beast actually sent me this for working for DoorDash you know the older kids aren't gonna believe me but the younger ones the young kids I'm always dressed in grays and darker colors so they'll be like God dang bro what's going on yeah it's your birthday today or something right traveler says people like that is why I quit ride chair well I mean it's it's few and far between and depending on what city you're in and what time you're driving I can't imagine that happening in Grand Rapids during the day but I'm sure it has like I mean it's it's it's based on how much you do if you're driving all the time you're you're more obviously more likely statistically to get uh involved in some douchebags like that so yeah all right uh so this has actually gone viral the one we're talking about the Amazon driver which it's so funny everyone it's gone viral and everyone's talking about I'm like we see this shit every week um but this one is uh got a million multi-stocks because these people out here in Dearborn Heights they can't go anywhere and get their own so now I'm sitting out here delivering a million packages to a million one houses.
SPEAKER_08Boy we've been talking about this one for sure it is a rant going viral tonight.
SPEAKER_06It was a long day for him an angry Amazon driver delivering packages in Redford when he was part of an outburst caught on camera.
SPEAKER_08He was the outburst it has been the talk of the town so we send seven news to Trey reporter Christiana Ford out there to see what these neighbors have to say about it.
SPEAKER_00And we also turned to Amazon to get their take on this those packages being delivered to a home here in Redford what that driver may not have known was that him airing out his frustrations was all caught on camera.
SPEAKER_05Everybody makes mistakes and I'm sitting out here delivering a million packages to a million and everybody certainly has those days.
SPEAKER_07Okay I don't know I feel like it started over again or something.
SPEAKER_04I don't know I pulled it it's from a news site but it's yeah much it's just more the same thing and so yeah um for the audio listeners uh you could hear the you could hear the the uh the audio but for the video it's just a you know just a uh delivery driver with some packages on it's a snowy day outside you know it's not great weather and he's just ranting about about these people who don't go get their own stuff but dude you you signed up to be a delivery driver what do you think you're gonna do besides deliver packages I don't understand it in Michigan and it's been a rough winter I mean it's been a like a normal Michigan winter so like this this is pretty normal but we haven't seen it in like a decade of like this snow and cold um I often think though why'd the lady have to post that yeah I mean it's her right it's her it's you're on her property what what's your what was her goal in that why why to do that and and for them to say he didn't know it got caught he he's a delivery driver you see those doorbell cameras everywhere you know you know you're on camera.
SPEAKER_07I think he was talking to somebody on the phone. Could have been that's what it
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SPEAKER_07sounds like he was complaining to somebody on the phone.
SPEAKER_04I don't think he was just talking that loud it did sound like a conversation with somebody.
SPEAKER_07Yeah yeah which either way you're still I mean you gotta know you're on camera. I mean he drives it he should know that he drives an Amazon van they got cameras all in that thing you can't you can't fucking do a thing in there without it getting recorded and reported that you you know didn't stop at the light or whatever.
SPEAKER_04But I like your question about you know why'd you have to why'd you have to post it what what's it what are you getting out of it and it's not like he was stealing their stuff or destroying anything you know who's having a bad day who which one of us haven't ranted about you know stuff that we don't like about our job or you know I mean I guess as a forward facing job in the public you got to be careful with that.
SPEAKER_07Sure. Um I often I I want to have hope that the woman had good intentions of just she thought it was funny or you know people want their viral 15 seconds even though they're not in the video they want to get credit for it I guess but like when you post something like that that's not yours no one gives a shit who boasted it. You know what I mean? If it goes viral you don't get anything for it. Like it's not you know you're not gonna get paid for that I mean maybe someone might reach out and like we'll give you like 500 bucks for it. But I mean it's not like like I guess what the point if I saw that I would just kind of laugh I'm like oh that motherfucker's having a bad day.
SPEAKER_04And what is it a slow newsweek that they sent a reporter out there to talk to these people just interviewing neighbors. Yeah but they didn't even see it. They were just talking about it that is true. Like to talk about we see we see these every week when we're searching for stories and things like that. We see it all the time.
SPEAKER_07It it just it just kind of you know I'm it just kind of makes me question like why would you post that it's just kind of shitty in my opinion but I mean I definitely would share it with you guys and like in our groups and like look at this fucker on my porch you know but right um and maybe since I'm in the business of gig economy I might post it under my account I guess but I guess if I was just a normal Joe I would never post it.
SPEAKER_04I would yeah I yeah I don't I don't think it would cross my mind to go oh I need I want to post this yeah but I don't know. Anyways yeah it wasn't I mean it's just just somebody probably you know could be having just a bad day.
SPEAKER_07Yeah who knows no but I think there's a lot of drivers out there that don't they get they get they get in the biz and they're like oh I love delivering packages and then they forget about the winter. Yeah like or the pouring rain or the well the rain yeah I mean but like if you're delivering in Florida you got a lot better weather days than you do in Michigan. I mean sure so sure all right Waymo in the news Waymo in the news this week uh Larry had shared this a while back but there's a semi truck turning um turning left and the Waymo's behind it and the Waymo just It's impatient just goes around it. So we'll play that and uh talk about it. I thought this was like a recorded lap. I think that's really him. He can't even contain himself. You know zooms in on the blinker.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and look, there's a car one turning left there, and he has to go around that Waymo. Because Waymo's taking up the whole other lane half of it anyway.
SPEAKER_07This guy needs to okay.
SPEAKER_04Watching me darch out here like in the midst of just a little bit.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing.
SPEAKER_04Watching me darch out there, and there's cars right there.
SPEAKER_07That's another Waymo he cut in front of.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_07Maybe this isn't his laughing because he was very I don't yeah, I don't think so. He was laughing pretty hard for that. I think maybe that was it was added, but yeah, laugh over or voiceover.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, laugh over.
SPEAKER_07That's funny. Um, so yeah, like the simple thing of a blinker. Like, why isn't the app saying, oh, I see a left blinker, but not a right one? This truck obviously is turning. Like they're just like, fuck it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, and so for the uh audio only listeners, uh he explained the setup. There's there's a semi-truck waiting, of course. He's a semi, so he's got to wait for a pretty good opening quote because this is a pretty busy street that he's pulling onto.
SPEAKER_07Correct.
SPEAKER_04Pretty busy street. So the Waymo just goes to the left and he's taking up at least half of the lane that's going in the other direction. So he's he's now directly setting
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SPEAKER_04directly to the left of this semi in in the other lane, and there's somebody on the main road that's turning left trying to turn down that road, and he has to go real wide to go around this Waymo, because the Waymo's taking up half his lane. And then when the Waymo does shoot out, he shoots out, and there's cars like right there. There was not a bunch of room for that Waymo to get out to.
SPEAKER_07And uh, can you imagine if um that driver didn't look and he makes that turn? I mean, your your trailer is gonna scrape that thing. I mean, you you you are right next to it, and I'd like his blind spot, definitely in his blind spot. Well, I don't know if he was in his blind spot because he would have had to poke forward for the equipment to see this traffic. So he was right next to the cab, but it just in perspective, like that tail is gonna scrape the shit out of there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, or if that car turned and left, you know, didn't see the Weibo and turned in. I mean, yeah, hit him, hit it, you know, almost head on, pretty much.
SPEAKER_07And I understand, like, yeah, you want to get going, but like this is simple stuff, guys. Like, I feel like they've programmed it, they had to have, like, okay, if it sits for too long, but like, why aren't you noticing the blinker? Now, if it has its hazards on, well, fuck it. I'm going around like clearly your pause. That's what hazards mean. We're gonna we're not moving right now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I wonder I do wonder how like how long it had been setting there.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, that's true.
SPEAKER_04Again, we're only seeing the uh but but regardless, you know, I mean, if it's got you know, I don't know what it's supposed to do. If the guy's the truck's parked there and meant to hit his hazards, or are the lights burned out. The lights burned out and and it just has you know just has that left blinker. How long is that window supposed to sit there? Or is it supposed to turn around and go another route? Or you know, you have to get it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I mean there's obvious you just set a parameter if you're sitting there for one minute, then maybe you need to back up. And I would I would have preferred them backing up than doing that. I mean, that's straight up illegal what it did. And you know, I feel like that has to be coded that way. Like, hey, if it takes one minute, just go around it, like Yeah, yeah, just go another go another route. I will I'll be honest with you though. If I was in that position, I might do the same thing. Depending on how long I waited. Or you know, I take the perspective bird's eye view. Is there a parking lot I can whip around through? Like I may have, or I would have honked or something. I would I I may have done the same thing the Waymo did.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but like I said, I mean it's it and it it is frustrating if it's a uh semi that's turning left onto a busy street, it it's gonna take a while. It takes forever. He he's gotta he's gotta have an opening where he can at least pull out there and and you know, cars slow down and and you know, wait for him to pull out. But there's been times I've been sitting behind semis for in that same exact situation where they're turning left.
SPEAKER_07A couple minutes sometimes. Yeah. And it seems like hours. I'll be honest with you. Before I became a bus driver, I would used to get like really mad because semis would pull out and like sometimes they just say, fuck it. Yeah. Not um not not pulling out like so close I'm gonna hit him, but I do have to hit the brakes pretty good.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you have to do slow down. But yeah, sometimes I and and I try to be understanding of that too, because like man, they they they have to go when you know when they get it. They can't, you know, just wait forever in the day.
SPEAKER_07No, they'll never get anything done, which is which is dangerous. But I mean, even in the bus, it I don't feel like I have an well, I do kind of have an intersection like that, but um sometimes you just fucking gas it and like hope they stop. Yeah, I hate saying that, but like I mean, we got shit,
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SPEAKER_07we got a schedule to hit. Like, no the kids.
SPEAKER_03Hey, they got brakes, it's all good. They got brakes, yeah.
SPEAKER_07It's fine, we'll be fine. Um, all right. So I finally got part of the new Walmart uh system that's coming down. Um, it seems great, but let's see, acceptance rate uh has been removed. We removed the acceptance rate metric from my metrics. Uh, it's always just there for your reference, so you can keep things simple. We've removed it entirely. You can keep choosing the opportunities that work best out for you. Also, a couple updates. Items found is now quantity found. So we've updated items found and renamed it quantity found. Here's what's changed. If a customer asks for a substitution, offering one will count towards your quantity food metric, even if the customer doesn't accept it. Oh, okay. The key is that you offered a replacement. Partial subs are okay if only part of the items total is available, like if they want to offering a substitute for the remaining amount still counts. Your okay. If no substitution is offered, you won't see credit towards your okay, so it'll fuck your metrics. Uh, then on-time arrival of pickup. The metric shows how often you arrive on time, blah, blah, blah. Being on time easing means arriving within 25 minutes of accepting the offer or within 15 minutes of the scheduled pickup time, whichever is later. 25 minutes. Interesting. Then why are they blowing my phone up when I'm like five minutes? It's been five minutes, and probably because they see like I'm taking a shit at the gas station and my car isn't moving. Yeah, that's interesting. So, so yeah, the acceptance rate's been removed, and then they reset all the fucking stats because look at this shit. I got a 5.0 customer rating. So this is actually kind of great because remember us talking on the last show. I don't know if it was on Patreon or this one, about those tiers and how fucking hard it's gonna be able to get. So maybe that's why they did this because they know, okay, guess what? Next month we're gonna give you the right, we're gonna reset everything.
SPEAKER_04Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_07So they didn't reset the quantity found, it's 99%. But yeah, I uh I was kind of excited about that. I was like, oh, then I can I maybe can get the sapphire tier if I do enough. I mean, obviously I can do shitty in the customer rating, but I think that we had read it was 4.9, which is so hard to obtain, but maybe I don't know. We'll we'll have to see. But so yeah, I think that's coming our way. Um, with this the tiers, the silver, was it silver, gold, and sapphire? Which is fucking weird. Was it sapphire? I don't know. But I was excited that they reset the uh there were parameters for that, or yeah, my rating.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, who was it? Uh and gay was in the chat one day and he was like, Hey, I think his DoorDash got reset or something, or one of the reset. Well, I something got reset.
SPEAKER_07Sometimes they do that. I know when they changed from like the normal way they did it years ago into the tier. I know I think they had a reset for that. Um, yeah. Was that recent that he said that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was like I mean within the last two weeks, and uh because he was like right right at it, and then like he he rejected a few orders. He's like, Well, that that's history. I'm I'm uh priority anymore, whatever it was.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, yeah. Well, I like that the tiers at Walmart that we talked about, it it wasn't based on acceptance, right? Like DoorDash is like if you drop below it, you're out. Well, this this is if you drop your rating drops below, which I think is fair because that's based on a metric of you being a bad delivery driver. Now, some of that shit is kind of shady. You never know. Like, why did I have a 4.6? I mean, it's not that hard to do that stuff, but my point is at least it's based on like your decent driver now and not how many fucking orders you accepted. So um well, yeah, that was due to the snowstorms. Um, she said ye. Yeah, I don't know what that means, but um, this is not this has nothing to do with snowstorms because it I I also got that notification in the app, but that didn't have that it has nothing to do with that. So um, but yeah, we shall see. Uh all right, Larry, probably get to this one and then we'll probably do the rest on uh on Patreon.
SPEAKER_03But alrighty.
SPEAKER_07Uh the price gap between Waymo and Uber is narrowing, and I'm curious to know uh which is higher.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so um uh this company did a study and found that uh their conclusion is that you know, even though a a Waymo still costs more on average than uh you know a very comparable ride with a human-driven Uber lift, the gap is narrowing. So they've done a couple of studies uh that says that two factors have really been behind the change and they both kind of uh you know been going the different directions. So Waymo has been lowering its pricing a little bit, at least in San Francisco Bay Area. Uh this is where they did the study where they got all this data. Uh while Uber and Lyft, uh the prices
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SPEAKER_04for them have risen a little bit. So this is what they did. They uh they simulated more than 94,000 ride requests in San Francisco area. Company found that um this was between November 27th and January 1st. So they simulated 94,000 rides. They found that Waymo rides cost an average of $19.69. Uh Uber and Lyft were a little bit cheaper at $17.47. That was well, that's Uber. And then Lyft was $1,547. Oh, quite a bit of $1547, Uber $17.47, Waymo's 1969. So uh back in June, the same company had Obi had released his first report doing the same thing, analyzing uh you know, robo taxis versus ride share. And uh this was uh data from rides in April 2025 showed that Waymo rides at that time averaged $20.43 you know versus the uh um 1969 it is now, and then Uber was 1558 and they've gone up to 17.47, and then Lyft rides back then averaged 1444 and they're averaging 1547 now. So Uber and Lyft have gone up a little bit. Waymo's gone down a little bit.
SPEAKER_07So are they taking the averages must be because with the algorithm the shit can change 10 minutes later.
SPEAKER_04Sure, yeah. I'm sure they're taking just uh uh an an average of these uh rides. I'm I'm assuming I don't know how else they could do it. So they said that um uh the CEO of this company um said that she really thinks this is a trend that you know people should watch. Uh because you know April's data showed that customers are willing to pay a little bit higher price to ride in Waymo. She thinks maybe the novelty is worrying off for people in the Bay Area. And she thinks Waymo is gonna have to keep uh um you know pricing its product more competitively uh as time goes on. Um of course they have to talk about it uh at the end. They talk about you know the wild card out there, which is the Tesla's robo taxi service, which isn't operating yet in San Francisco area, so they don't have the permits yet, nor do they have a what's called a transportation network company permit like Uber and Lyft has. So right now they have employees that are driving uh companies' vehicles uh which are equipped with full self-driving software. So they'll come into the mix, you know, at some time. Um they don't have a lot of cars around there either. It looks like uh yeah. Um one thing also that they talk about is that out of the out of the four, you know, between Uber, Lyft, Waymo, and uh Tesla, Tesla has the longest wait time with an average ETA of 15.30 three fifteen point three two minutes.
SPEAKER_07Well, yeah, they don't have as many cars out. I mean, that makes sense. I mean that's just numbers.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Waymo's average time was five point seven four minutes, so that's a big difference.
SPEAKER_07That's really quick.
SPEAKER_04I mean Well, Uber and Lyft came in at 5.414 minutes, and then Lyft or Uber was 3.15 minutes.
SPEAKER_07Which makes sense. Uber's the the most saturated, and you know, and this is why they don't want to like do separate tiers of like remember we talked about the woman only drivers, they don't that took so long for them to do that because they don't want to they want to get you there as quick, they don't want to do the favorite driver, they don't want any of that stuff. Right.
SPEAKER_04They just want the closest car that the closest driver to you to pick you up. Yeah, because which which I don't hate them for that.
SPEAKER_07I mean, that's just business.
SPEAKER_04No, it makes sense, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it does. So um uh Bubba Sue uh the reset was for Gabe was for Doordash from the Storms, I guess. They reset their ratings. So I'm like, oh wow, I mean that's really nice. I'm not I can't believe they did that. Like that. I mean, I I could see, I don't know. I could see not counting those acceptance during that time. Like, okay, that doesn't count your acceptance rate, but to reset the your your rating, maybe maybe the ratings just plummeted and they saw the data on that and they're like, okay, we gotta fucking fix this because um again, I don't know why you would just reset it. Maybe that's easier for them than going from like driver to driver and figure out which one's plummeted.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd obviously be a whole lot easier. Just flip a switch and boom, yeah, yeah, it's gone.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, maybe that's why. But that is really nice. I mean, yeah, if rating does, you know, take a uh I mean I assume it does that ratings do matter when you're some kind of impact. Yeah, when you're you know doing rides and stuff. You know, we're not we're definitely not Doordash expert, you know, my big $94 for the whole year. I'm curious to see what yours is. I'm surprised you didn't get that email.
SPEAKER_04I probably did. I just I haven't done enough. I don't know if I'm even worth looking at it.
SPEAKER_07I mean, I'm gonna give it to my accountant. I mean, I might as well. It's like yeah, so you don't pay taxes on $94.
SPEAKER_04We'll try to look during our break between now and Patreon.
SPEAKER_07Right. So all right. Thank you guys so much for chatting and tuning in. Bubba Sue, Traveler, Steve. Thank you guys so much. Uh I'll be on Patreon at 8 10 p.m. Um, and that's patreon.com slash the gig con podcast. You can sign up there for a seven-day trial. And
Waymo vs Uber Pricing And Wait Times
SPEAKER_07yeah, uh, any gig work? Probably not this weekend.
SPEAKER_04Uh I don't know. We'll we'll see.
SPEAKER_07It'll be ice again.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Well, no, it's gonna be cold today or next two days, and then by Tuesday it's gonna be 67.
SPEAKER_07Oh, damn. So you're back in business.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we're gonna be and for the next two weeks after after this, it's it's gonna be like 40s and 50s, mainly for the high high during the day. Okay. A couple days in the 60s. But uh, my son is here after surgery. He's recuperating, he's actually right over here to my right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Watching as we do the show. So he'll be with me for about three weeks. Um I may go try to do some early Saturday. Okay. Um, did you work this week? Uh uh well, I was in St. Louis on Monday for my son's. Oh, yeah, that's right. We we we did go back. Uh our uh work did go back on Monday, uh, but I was out Monday and Tuesday uh uh with him, and then I went back today. So today's my first day back in my day job since the snow. So yeah, it's like a week and a half and a half. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_07Well, I'll be out this weekend doing some gig work, don't know what I'll be doing. I'll try to throw a live stream up. I did last week, and then I got I know we're going long, but I had a little I had it running, it was fine, and then I got a passenger in there, and then I'm like, hmm. So then I was like, okay, I'll turn I'm gonna turn the sound off, the mic off, which was fine. But then I had two people in the back, so they would probably see the camera, and then I'm like, what if they say something? So then I turned the camera off, which was fine, but then eventually it just my screen went dark and it ended the screen. I I think it if you don't have a camera or a microphone on, it thinks it's like a dead page or something. So I I what I think I'm gonna do is um get a uh a thumbnail to put up when someone gets in the car. So I think that will keep it active or at least you know kill the sound, keep the camera on, but like the thumbnail's blocking it, so it doesn't matter. But anyways, because I wanted to keep it going and stuff, but like I was like, ah fuck it.
SPEAKER_04Streaming your passengers with the biggest. I don't want to do that.
SPEAKER_07No, no. I mean, I'm I'm fine turning the the yeah, I just don't want to do that. Like, no, no, no, no. It's just I don't I didn't want them to say, oh, what are you doing? And then be like, yeah, I'm alive on YouTube, and like, oh, that's fucked up. Yeah, I didn't need that.
SPEAKER_01So yeah.
SPEAKER_07Uh all right. Uh as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. And we'll see you on the road. Everybody be safe. Yeah, peace out. Have a good night.
