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Why Holding Apps Liable Could Finally Change Safety | Ep 289
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A tipping point is here for the gig economy, and we felt it the moment two verdicts landed: Uber facing an $858.5M judgment in a sexual assault case under “apparent authority,” and Instacart ordered to pay nearly $16M after a fatal crash. We unpack what these rulings actually mean—where platform liability starts, where driver accountability remains, and how this could finally force safety to become a real product priority instead of a press release.
From there, we widen the lens. A delivery drone fails midair near an apartment window, sending parts and smoke to the ground. Waymo confirms that when its robotaxis get stumped, human “fleet response” agents—including teams abroad—provide guidance while the software “stays in control.” Meanwhile, Tennessee considers doubling sidewalk delivery robot speeds to 20 mph, raising obvious questions about risk to pedestrians. We talk about what responsible autonomy should look like, how to design failure modes that don’t maim people, and why public trust depends on clear logs, not vague assurances.
On the ground, the work gets messy too. One driver finds illegal pills tucked in a hollowed-out bun for a motel drop, a perfect snapshot of how courier features can be exploited. We share the right playbook—screenshots, immediate police contact, and no returns to sender—and outline the policies platforms should adopt to stop turning drivers into mules. There’s levity as well—a parakeet “driving” a Waymo earns a TOS warning—but the point stands: when tech meets everyday chaos, design has to assume mischief.
We close with a practical angle: sustainability for high-mileage drivers. If you really live on the road, EVs can beat gas on total cost of ownership—no oil changes, fewer brake jobs, and predictable energy costs—despite pricier out-of-warranty fixes. With real safety investment, better insurance architecture, and smarter autonomy rollouts, gig work can be safer and more sustainable for the people carrying the load.
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I missed the hit again. I kinda it's a little bit better, but I missed it. Hi guys, welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast. Episode 289 here with Lifting with Larry, our co-host on his podcast. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, thank you guys so much. Go to gig economy show.com for everything gig economy podcast related. I want to thank our Patreon members. I lost my rundown. Uh I shouldn't know it, but uh what can we read him? No, I got it. Samson, uh, bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal Kickass, and Anna. Thank you guys so much for supporting the show. If you want to support the show, go to Gig Econ. Nope, go to patreon.com slash the Gig Econ Podcast, and that's where you can do it. Uh before we jump into Gig Economy news, I would just want to shout out Gabe's uh well, not really shout out, but just I want to give a uh what am I trying to say? Just some love to Gabe. He lost his father the last week or so. I had the funeral this past Monday. Uh meant to do it last show, but I forgot. Um it was really soon or really sudden when uh the show came around, so I just kind of misplaced it. But uh yeah, if you know Gabe, or just give him uh email or a tap on the shoulder or a telegram message. But um I know that's been really rough for him and uh we're thinking of him. And anything else you want to add, Larry?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, no, again, I just want to echo what you said. You know, Gabe uh is a good friend, you know, uh he co-hosts with us sometimes, and we've known him for a long time. Just a super great guy, and uh just you know, he's hurting right now, as we all would be in his situation, and it's never easy to lose your dad. And just uh our thoughts and prayers are with him.
SPEAKER_05:Gig economy in the news. Uh, we actually have two stories about this. So we talked about this. I don't win. I uh I don't win. I don't know when, but I feel like it's been relatively recent about how the lawsuit that was happening um about the sexual assaults was gonna kind of change the thing, change like the landscape of how they'll be able to, you know, file lawsuits for that. And the uh Uber was ordered to pay eight five eight point five million in this sexual assault case. Um it's the Thursday's verdict hinged on the legal theory of apparent authority under which a company can be held liable for a contractor's actions when the company conducts leads when the comp sorry, I even highlighted this. When the company's conduct leads a customer to reasonably believe the contractor is acting on the behalf of the on the company's behalf, even in the absence of formal a formal employment relationship. I sound like I had a stroke. Oh my god. Um, but so basically that's what we're doing, independent contractor. And this is gonna be huge, and this is gonna trickle down to a lot of different apps, and you know, Larry's gonna talk about an Instacart one next. But I'm really glad that this happened for the sexual assault case, um, just because that's been such a negligent thing from Uber like taking action against uh drivers that do that, and just you know, not taking care of the victims and so on and so forth. And I know those can be tough to try at times and to prove, but it's just nice to see that Uber's probably gonna have to pay the price for a lot of this stuff. Um, because you can't really go after the driver, right? Because he doesn't have anything.
SPEAKER_06:Right. Yeah, you know, um, yeah, you're not gonna get much there. No. Well, whatever insurance they may have.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and and so I do feel it's part of the responsibility of the company, and maybe this will push them to be again. I don't know what it is. We we talk about that until we're blue in the face, like what Uber can do to increase the safety. But now that they're gonna be liable or on the hook for this stuff, I mean you you would think you're gonna see something come down, you know, the pipe real soon.
SPEAKER_06:Well, I I don't think it'll be real soon because uh, you know, the they'll obviously appeal this and it'll probably drag out in the courts for a little bit.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, um, oh, Rick made it on time. Hi, Rick. Um, yeah, I th I I agree on this specific case, but it's gonna implore a lot of other people to file suits, and it's just yeah, it's gonna start gumming up the system and it's gonna start draining the funds of Uber trying to defend it. And at some point, maybe someone will the judge or I don't know how that works because you know I drive a school bus and talk about gig work, but maybe the judge can order them to like do something about it instead of just paying a fine.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah, and yeah, it'd it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. But yeah, we've discussed this many times because it is a fine line on who who you know who is responsible uh who needs to pay. And it's not easy, it's not cut and dry. No, as we've as we discussed many, many times on here. Um but with the amount of incidents that we know about, and there's you know, we know there's far more than ever get reported. That's just how life is. Um something has to be done.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and honestly, we don't even talk about them anymore. Not that we don't want to give them uh the person or the victim like the platform. It's just there's so many of them. It's just like I I mean every week, I mean I know we talk about Waymo every week, but like that's our competition and it's funny, but I don't want to talk about sexual assaults every week because like that, I don't know. Uh you know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_06:Like, yeah, it's the same thing, and you know, we don't we don't talk about every week about you know, uh Uber lift driver getting carjacked or shot or because I do that every week, you know, it's just a different name, different city, but it's the same story. Uh and same thing with the sexual assault. We we don't want to minimize it in any way when big things happen like this, like this judgment. Right. We do want to bring it up in the news and discuss it and and uh you know hear people's ideas on what they think about it. But yeah, if you if you just report on those every time one pops up, that's all we would be doing every week.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, literally you could have a uh TikTok channel of just like we're gig news, right? And that's what we do, but we kind of give them more our opinions. But if you were just gonna report on it and tell somebody, like you literally could create a channel and every day you would have a story, not of an assault, but like probably a couple a week.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. I mean, like you said, yeah, either either somebody getting sexually assaulted on there, or a driver getting assaulted, or a driver assaulting a passenger, you know, something. There, there's always those kind of stories.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I was looking for the news. I think I saw in Cleveland with three miles apart, there were two of them, two shootings of the same night of gig workers. So it's like, Jesus Christ, what is happening?
SPEAKER_06:What's going on in Cleveland?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, Cleveland. Oh, oof. Don't go to Cleveland.
SPEAKER_02:So fun time to Cleveland today. Cleveland. Come on down to Cleveland town, everyone. Come and look at both of our buildings. Buy some food that's prepared near the street. Who knows you might be to see this guy? You should come on down to Western Street. It's the perfect place to do it. Here's the place where there used to be in the street. The street is carrying jobs out of Cleveland. Cleveland leads the nation and drifters. Here's the statue of Moses Cleveland. He's the guy who invaded Cleveland. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Uh shout out to Rick, Babasu. Thank you, Traveler. Uh, thank you guys for uh uh coming on. Somebody won something. I don't know. I said cool congratulations. So um Traveler must have won something. Uh Dash Cam, maybe. That's cool. Uh all right, Larry, Instacart must pay 16 million after it's in attentive driver kills Portland Man. This is kind of the what we're kind of talking about. And uh yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, so this was uh uh this was a couple weeks ago. Uh the jury ruled that uh Instacart has to pay almost 16 million dollars. So um one of their drivers, Instacart driver, uh, was working. And we all know how it is when a lot of times when you're working, and I don't know the specifics of this, but a lot of times, you know, you're in a hurry. You're trying to get the delivery done, get on to the next ride or the next order, whatever it is. And she ended up hitting a um a man on who was riding a scooter and uh he survived for about a month but eventually passed away from his injuries. He was uh 74-year-old, uh Peter Pellegrin, Pellegrin, I think's how you pronounce it. Um and they the jury awarded ex you know everything that that that his estate sued for. So they gave him the full amount. Oh wow. Yeah, it doesn't happen all the kinds. So um their attorney said that you know it it should this case is is really important because it's one of the first of its kind that he knows of, uh even nationwide that holds big tech companies like Instacart, Uber, Lyft, or DoorDash, you know, financially liable when one of their independent contractors injures or kills somebody. And you know, most of the time, as we've seen in the past, it's the uh driver and their personal insurance company who try to fight and they don't have the kind of money to fight somebody, you know, a company with with Uber's financial depth. Um you know, they just they just can't. Um, he argues that they make billions, these companies make billions on the backs of little people, and then when something like this goes wrong, they just leave them to uh you know, leave them to hang and dry. Instacart, which is worth nearly ten billion dollars and uh had over eighty-three million orders just in the third quarter of last year, did not respond to a request for comment.
SPEAKER_05:Okay.
SPEAKER_06:Um the Pelegrin said he was on his scooter, he he was wearing a helmet, but he's when he was hit, he he suffered broken bones throughout his body, was rushed to the hospital where he died 25 days later. Um the attorney again says that the reality is that most gig economy drivers only have minimum insurance if you're needing to drive Uber or Lyft or Instacart, you know, you're usually trying to make some extra money. Uh you're you're not gonna have the resources to fight these big companies uh or pay out.
SPEAKER_05:Well, what what I don't understand is they have to have a certain amount, right? Like you have Right.
SPEAKER_06:You do have to have you do have to have a uh certain amount. So um, you know, everybody uh each state has different different amounts on on or different levels of what you have to have is minimum coverage, I guess. Um but that's usually not minimum coverage is is pretty low.
SPEAKER_05:Well it looks like in the article it says Oregon is uh minimum of 50k, which ain't much.
SPEAKER_06:Exactly. Yeah, I mean how far is that goes if you're in IC one you know a day?
SPEAKER_05:There they were talking about I remember us talking about too in California they were fighting on that and to make a deal or something, didn't they reduce because like in California they were making you have like two million and so or something like that. So they got that lowered, which I guess is fine for the person, but like not for the person that gets injured from that kind of stuff. But that's too bad. Yeah, so I guess you know this is another groundbreaking thing, and um it is, yeah, it is, and it'll be it'll be interesting to see again.
SPEAKER_06:Um, you know, guaranteed these will be appealed by the companies. Uh, it'll be interesting to see how that as it works its way through courts if these hold up uh or if they get reversed, and if it does make any changes, if you we start seeing the companies do anything different.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, again, this one is a little different though, like when you call like you know the suing. I mean, I don't know what you could do. I mean, the we might as well go to autonomous at this point. Like, everyone has accidents in cars. Um, and I I don't know. I'm I'm kinda on the fence on this one. Not that I'm defending Instacart by any means, because they're all kind of like, you know, shitty, but I I kind of feel like how many times are they gonna get sued for now that this is out for all that stuff? Because you know that crap, you know, we talked about it, that stuff happens every day. The sexual assault thing, I think they can do more uh as a company to kind of quell you know that kind of activity, but accidents are just accidents, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah. I mean, and and you know, we don't know exactly what happened. You know, the the lawyer, of course, the lawyer for the state contends that you know she was under mental stress trying to make you know grocery delivery in a specific time frame. That's certainly could have contributed. He said she was also trying to hurry up because she had an appointment at an esthetician.
SPEAKER_05:That's well they see that's all on her, right? I mean that in and if you choose to like use your phone and tap something and you get in an accident, that's not Instacart's fault. Like you can say, well, they made me do that. No, no, they're not making you do that. I would if I was a judge, I'd be like, hell no. I'm not gonna throw Instacart or any app under. You have the decision to accept it while you're driving. They're never gonna tell you to accept it while you're driving. I mean, they want you to, and we all do, but my point is is like you can't use that as an excuse. You have to, you know, you did it, you fucking were distracted driving, and you should pay the price. Instacart shouldn't have to pay the price. Yeah, personally.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah. I mean, but it's it it it does make it tough to to look at these things. Because if like if in the case of a sexual assault, if if they put the guy through a background check, he's never had anything on his record, he's never had a report, and he goes and does it. What else could could Uber have done?
SPEAKER_05:But that's the thing. I think they can do more until it, you know, once they decide whatever that is more, whether it be full-time dash cams running 24, you know, one year driving, right, or whatever it is, once they've done that and shown like, hey, we've done like once they've hit that point of they've done everything they can, then yeah, then it's like, well, we did right, you know, we figured this, we did this, we did this.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And he still does it. You can't control a human being, and I don't think that Uber would be liable, but I think there's room for growth for these rideshare apps for safety.
SPEAKER_06:For some other things they can do. So, yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_05:Well, we'll keep an eye on that and see if we see any more stories. Uh, so this is uh well, I cackled out loud when I saw this. Um let me bring up the Reddit post here real quick. Yes. So this picture uh is a uh for the audio listeners, it is a basically a hamburger bun, though it's cut out in the middle and then hollowed out, hollowed out, yeah, and then like baggy of drugs in there. Oh no, I guess there was oh okay. So said had a had my first ever courier delivery yesterday. Uh a girl finally came to her door and hands me a plain hamburger bun hastily wrapped in plastic. Inside there were some illegal pills, of course, to be delivered to a shady motel just a few miles away in a not so great area. I contacted contacted Uber East to refuse delivery and explained I was given 25 cents for my time. I don't know what that is. Later, I got an email from support asking me to bring the package to the police, offering$15 for my time. Today I got another email from support asking me to return the package to sender, offering me$20 to send them to do so. What the fuck? Yeah, like this doesn't surprise me that support doesn't know their head from the hole in the ground.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Basically, what they once said take it to the police, then they got an e that guy went to bed, right? And then they got an email from the sender saying it never, you know, driver still had to bring it back. Um, and you know, Faith commented on like uh yeah, like Bubba Suber drug mule. Um and I said, Yeah, they they can't call it that because it's federally against the law, but it's literally what it is. And I know I had a story where I pretty much sure I was delivering drugs. I didn't have the proof like this person did, but if you ever get that stuff, if if you're willing to take those packages and you know for sure, immediately drive to the police station or call the cops, just pull over, they'll come visit you and say, Hey, I got this. Because then at least you can try to like bust the the sender, like, hey, I'll drive you right to the house that I got it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, that's where it's at.
SPEAKER_05:Like, don't wait on taking a report. Like, fucking call the cops. Like I would like, I would cancel. Oh no, I would try to get as much information about where you got it from and everything. Uh but because once you cancel, you lose all that, like the GPS and stuff.
SPEAKER_06:But yeah, screenshot all that stuff and where it's going, where it came from.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. And just call the cops right away because you don't want to make a report. You I mean, at that point, who gives a shit about the money? Let's see if he can bust the son of a bitch. Hell, I'd follow him to where it was and I'd sit back and take my camera out and start recording. There you go. I don't know the laws on uh if they can you know what I mean? Like it's always like, can they go inside? Is that enough probable cause? Yada yada. I know it's I don't know, and it depends on the state, but um, yeah, I don't I wouldn't do any deliveries like this because that's what it is.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I don't I don't I haven't I'm trying to think. I don't know if I don't think I've done any Uber deliveries, I don't think I've gotten any offered. Or if it was, it was like one related night that wasn't worth taking. But I know I know for certain that I've taken people to pick up drugs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not I mean, unless I'm not I don't know. I don't really care about that as much because I'm not handing it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, no, no, I yeah, you know, I've taken them and you know, don't anything. But I did freak I did freak these couple girls out though because I took them to a place and and uh and the there was no numbers you could see on the house, you know, a couple houses. So I'm like, is this one it? And they're like, I think so, because you tell they'd never been there before. Of course. And as as we're pulling up, they're like, hey, can you just wait here? We just gotta run in and grab something real quick. Yeah. And I'm like, sure. And they run in, come back out, and like we're halfway back to their dorm, and I just like freak them out. I just look back, I was like, hey, I don't care at all what y'all got from them, but just be careful. You don't know what you really don't know what it is. And they're like freaking out thinking I'm gonna report them to somebody. I'm like, I'm just saying, you don't know what it is. If you don't, you've never, you know, it's obvious. Yeah, something just be careful.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, especially now. I feel like I mean, I feel like I don't fucking buy drugs. But I was like, I was gonna say, I feel like everything's like tainted and well, yeah, everything, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I mean, it's so funny because you know, some of these people that are so strict about what they eat, gotta eat clean, gotta do this. Oh, yeah. They'll put a they'll put a pill in their mouth, had no idea what's in it, where it came from, you know, nothing. That's so funny.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's so dangerous, especially with fentanyl. Yeah, you know what I mean? You don't need a lot of that to torture. So, rule number one, don't do deliveries, even though I've done it because I think the story was it was slow as hell, and I it wasn't a bad paying one. I took it, and I'm like, God damn it, I tell people not to take these, and I just, you know, they get you. Even the apps get me once in a while.
SPEAKER_06:They do, they do, you know, no matter how how professional we are, every now and then they catch you in a weak moment and and you s succumb to it. Yes, for sure. That's the way it goes.
SPEAKER_05:Uh, of course, drone talk. Um, this is my favorite. Dude, we've talked about this.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:How it's we have they're dangerous, and we'll play the video and uh play this video and then talk about it. Yeah, it's it's not great.
SPEAKER_06:Man down.
SPEAKER_05:Man down. So she's watching the drone. I'm just gonna talk about it. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_07:That does not sound good.
SPEAKER_06:Oh my god. Oh, the building's flying off.
SPEAKER_02:Uh oh, Jesus.
SPEAKER_06:That's a good-sized drone, too. Our department's there. Please today. Oh, so yeah, for the audio listeners, this lady, it was her first time ordering delivery. By drone. I don't know if it was Walmart. It didn't say on there for sure who it was from. I think it's Amazon because it's Amazon colors.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And uh so it's a good sized drone. I mean, this thing's like a couple feet long. It's not like a little tiny drone. Right. And she's like, she wanted to record it because she thought it was going to be cool. You know, it was the first time she's ordering it. And she lives in an apartment building and she's filming out the window and the drone's coming up, looks like near the top of her building. And all of a sudden you see parts of the uh blades flying off, it looks like. And next thing you know, man, this this drone's laying on the ground with smoke just rolling out of it. And and then she flashed forward. She called the, I guess she called the authorities. The police show up, the fire department show up. Everybody shows up.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, what what would you like estimate the size that I I look at it like like a size of a wheelbarrow, maybe? I mean, if yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:I mean, it's a couple feet long, it's it's good size.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, that would kill somebody if it fell off.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, it could, it could, yeah, yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_05:If it hit you on the head in the right spot, and that and we talk about that all the time. Like, that shit is dangerous. Like, you gotta get that stuff down. I mean, I love the well, I don't love it all, but I do love the autonomous uh idea of a lot of things, but like this is what we're talking about with safety. People are not gonna be as forgiving when that shit kills somebody. I mean, it just Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:If a little kid was down there playing and he's Oh my god, I never thought about a kid.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know why. I just feel like it would hit an old man or something. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Some guy who's already on the edge, like me. Right. Like you. Yeah, it it could be uh yeah, you talk about a lot having paid out a lot of money. That that would be a big one. That'd be a big lawsuit. Yeah, they gotta get that straightened out because uh we're not yeah, you know, most people you talk about drones. A lot of people have seen the little drones you can buy, you know, like the you know, hundred dollar ones or whatever, fifty dollar drones that are these tiny little things. This that's not what we're talking about here. No, these are three, four foot long. Yeah. Uh and heavy, I'm sure. Pretty, pretty, pretty heavy.
SPEAKER_05:Um I uh I didn't didn't see uh I that was just a TikTok, but it wasn't an article. I'd be curious what Amazon's response was to that. Like, I mean, obviously they're gonna exactly yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:They I mean they've got to have some kind of public response to it.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and if you if you get hit by an Amazon drone, you frickin' sue them because they are they have lots of money. Yeah, yeah. They're rowing. But yeah, that that was a little scary for sure.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Uh turns out that if you order a Waymo and they get stumped, they get intervention from workers in the Philippines. So there was a congressional hearing on Wednesday. Um, I don't know what it was about. Something, oh, it says Waymo's chief safety officer was grilled over the company's use of Chinese-made vehicles and reliance on overseas workers. And I didn't know we the Waymo used Chinese-made vehicles unless they were using them in China. But um, the news comes roughly after a week, Waymo robotaxi struck and injured a child near Santa Monica, California, triggered a federal probe. After being pressed for a breakdown on where these overseas operators operate, uh Pena said that he didn't have those stats, explaining that some operators live in the uh U.S. but others live much farther away in the Philippines. Uh, he said they provide guidance, they do not remotely drive the vehicles. Waymo asks for guidance in certain situations and gets input, but the Waymo vehicle is always in charge of the dynamic driving tasks. So that is just one additional input. The funny part is what I thought about is like guidance is that last one we saw, or maybe not the last one, but the one where it just pulled out in front of the other one.
SPEAKER_06:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It was like, yeah, you're good from somebody in the Philippines. You're good, go. Yeah. And like one of the guys said that was grilling them, said, We don't even know these people have driver's license. They came back and said they are required, uh, and if they're in the U.S. or abroad, to have a passenger car or van license and reviewed for records of traffic violation, diffraction, and driving-related convictions. Um when the Waymo vehicle encounters a particular situation on the road, the autonomous driver can reach out to a human fleet response agent for additional information to contextualize its environment. The Waymo driver software does not ro does not rely solely on the inputs it receives from the fleet response agent and is in control of the vehicle at all times. How much time is this taking? Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06:Like maybe autonomous driver, you got somebody in the Philippines who's helping give guidance and they got fucking AOL dial up, and so you know exactly what's going on.
SPEAKER_05:I think it's the times where you know, like that that car they got stuck on the train or the the trolley track and they're trying to figure it out. Um, it says, Well, it may sound like the remote operator isn't directly controlling the vehicle's driving response, it's nonetheless goes to show you how autonomous vehicles are still reliant on human intellect. And you know, and that's that's such a good a good point of that article. It's like, okay, we got we got these we got these things, and you say they're great, but you got people and I honestly don't I'm not really hung up on the Philippines versus the United States. I don't really give a shit. I mean, yeah, it doesn't really bother me. If if they're doing the job and it's done correctly, I mean, yeah, of course I'd w want the workers to be in the Philippines uh or in the United States. I don't want them to sub it out, but that's just the reality. Um I'm hung up on like how much touch do they actually have? How much truth are they actually telling us that they have that you know what control they actually have.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, but Sue brings up a good point that you know driving laws even here, you know, vary from state to state. She said it's definitely different than the driving laws in the Philippines.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, but I mean, let's face it, it yeah, I guess, you know, I that one car that turned right on red, like I mean, the Philippines, like if you travel abroad anywhere, like the it's places are the wild, wild wild. Well, yeah, especially if it's second or third world, there's no fucking rules. Yeah, I mean for himself. Everything's everything's a suggestion. I was thinking, I think it was yesterday I was driving the bus, and that you know, we drive the same route every day, and it sometimes it gets annoying. But I I have this stop sign. I'm like, why aren't why aren't every like especially it's like a it was like a three-way stop and a in a and a 35. Why should these should all be yields? Yeah, you know, because I'm coming up, I clearly see there's no traffic left for it. Let me just go. Obviously, in a busy road, a four-stop is important, so no one dies. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_06:Well, I mean, that's that's the theory around traffic circles.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, yeah, exactly, which are great um if they're built correctly. There's a bunch of them downtown on these smaller streets. Like if you're if you you if you're in a bus, you gotta ride over the middle.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, we have some of those. They just can't make them big enough.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, they did not make them big enough. But um, yeah, I think I yeah, that's funny. I never thought about the that's what roundabouts you're Larry's like, hey dummy, that's what roundabouts are for. But like it's so annoying to come to a complete stop. I'm like, fuck, there's no one here. Like, let me go.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, what's the point of me coming to a complete stop when I can see as far as I, you know, I can see both ways and there's nobody around.
SPEAKER_05:And I get it if we're a school bus because you know you want to be safe, but like if I'm in my car, I'm like, I'm rolling through this. Yeah, I'm not really paying attention. So sure. So it should be interesting. Um, again, not worried about the workers in the Philippines, just working about how much hands-on they actually have and if are making decisions like you know, pulling out in front of an actual car or turning right on red. I mean, she does bring up a good point. If you know, if you just need to have a pulse to get a driver's license in the Philippines, I mean.
SPEAKER_07:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Things I'm sure, I mean, yeah, I've never been there, don't know that much about it, but uh I'm sure there's there's differences for sure. You know, there's there has to be.
SPEAKER_05:Honestly, I think the Philippines is is no, I am speaking out of my asshole right here. But my neighbor is Filipino and his parents still live there, and they visit there quite a bit. I don't think it's as bad as like when I went to on a mission trip to Mexico where that was just wild again. Yeah. Yeah, right. You got two year olds on the back of motorcycles with like no helmets on. So, anyways, yeah. Food for thought.
SPEAKER_06:Some of those countries, man, are wild. You know, I've seen videos, I haven't been to any of them. But man, you see, you see just videos of it, and it's just like it doesn't matter. Everybody, you know, people are on the sidewalk, you know, there's no lanes, there's no stopping. It's just you go when you think you're gonna make it and live, you know.
SPEAKER_05:It's funny too. We we freak out about the car seats up here, right? No fucking car seats down there. Yeah, oh yeah. Throw them in the seat. Let's go.
SPEAKER_06:Yep, yep.
SPEAKER_05:Reminds me of the 70s.
SPEAKER_06:Reminds me, hey, that's how I grew up in that. I grew up, I grew up laying in the back window. Fuck yeah.
SPEAKER_05:My parents had station wagons. We were always in the back with no seat belts on. I think we started like regular wearing seat belts like mid-80s when it was starting to become like uh like more of a strict thing, you know. Yeah, but I often wonder, I uh I can't ask my parents, but I often wonder if we had if we even had fucking car seats when we were younger. Like it had no, no, we didn't.
SPEAKER_06:No. No, your ma just carried you? Somebody did, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, when you when you went to church or whatever, they just had like just hold you like that, and then once you're old enough to sit up, they just put you in the back.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, our cars back like then didn't even have seat belts in them.
SPEAKER_05:Oh damn, you're real old.
SPEAKER_06:So, so there was no place to strap me to a car seat.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, okay, fair. Yeah, I never thought about it. I wonder, I wonder if I even had a car seat. I mean, I born I was born in 76, so it's not in your what, like 66? Yeah, 66, yeah. Yeah. Oh man, dude, you better, you better get your affairs in order.
SPEAKER_06:There.
SPEAKER_05:All right as much as I can. There, here we go. Uh this is I I mean, what are we doing here?
SPEAKER_06:Um, so for the audio listeners, this is a dude within a uh I guess you didn't call it a tracksuit.
SPEAKER_05:I call it I'm old. I call it a sweatsuit. Like a tracksuit, I feel because it's like sweatshirt material. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:But uh yeah, it's got the Nike swoosh on the on the chest and then on the leg of the pant, and it's got Uber on the opposite side. Yeah, he said uh the title is is just completed a hundred thousand trips, got my Uber uniform in the mail yesterday. Yeah, I I I'm I I tend to lean uh that way as well.
SPEAKER_05:I'm thinking the Lyft one was bullshit too. I think the doorbells one was legit. Yeah. He either either photo uh shop this or he actually like printed it. Because look at even the Uber and the Nike are all not they're off. Like that's a little bit lower on his leg, then the Nike's a little bit higher.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, the swishies look a little different to me.
SPEAKER_05:I feel like if I if I can't zoom it in, but I feel like the B has a couple dots over it. Like, isn't isn't in a different language, like or something like that? I don't know.
SPEAKER_06:Right, right, right. I know what you're saying.
SPEAKER_05:So Doordash did that. Yeah, yeah. I think that one's real. I'd think that the uh the rest of them are are not real.
SPEAKER_06:But it but if it is real, I mean, kudos to anybody who's done a hundred thousand trips.
SPEAKER_05:If that's that's yeah, you should be in a mental institution. How is that even possible?
SPEAKER_06:We should do the math, like Well, I mean, it depends on where he lives or because Uber, you know, Uber's been around for 2012. Um We should know that off the top of our head. Look that up real quick for Siri or Rock or whoever. No.
SPEAKER_05:I would say when did Uber give its first ride? Because I don't wanna I don't wanna like when they were founded. Yeah. All right, AI says 2010.
SPEAKER_06:So 2010, so 15 years.
SPEAKER_05:15 years. Who wants to do the math? That's gonna be too complicated. Uh let's see.
SPEAKER_06:100,000 rides? Yep. 15 years. 6,666 rides a year. Okay, divide that by twelve. Five hundred and fifty-five. That's doable. A month.
SPEAKER_05:But you'd have to okay, how many a day? I mean, well let's bring it down to at least a day.
SPEAKER_06:Uh or a week. Right about seven. That's that's eighty rides a week.
SPEAKER_05:Eighty rides a week. I uh every week. Bubba's every week. Yeah, fifty-two, fifty-two weeks a year. So you would have to like on the sum of the days you'd have to be like doing double that.
SPEAKER_06:Sure, yeah, yeah, because for 10 years. No, 15 years for 15 years.
SPEAKER_05:No way, that's not. But even DoorDash, like I even that makes me think it's bullshit now.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Because I mean, I remember, you know, we would see some people that had 30,000 rides, 40,000 rides. We're like, man, that's that's crazy. But and then and then a hundred thousand, that's although now I think about it.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, you gotta think Gabe's probably closing closing on fifty.
SPEAKER_06:Do you think so?
SPEAKER_05:I think he is. I bet he is.
SPEAKER_06:I don't think he's that high. I don't think he's that high.
SPEAKER_05:Maybe not. We'll have to ask him, but so I guess now that I think about it, maybe 100k isn't. Oh god, that dude. He's he's he's bought 10 cars. Oh, yeah. I mean, he done a hundred thousand rides, he'd done a million.
SPEAKER_06:He's been going through some a million miles. Yeah, going through some tires and some old changes, going through cars.
SPEAKER_05:Bubba Sue says, No math on this channel. Fuck no.
SPEAKER_06:That's right. Our geography. We don't know.
SPEAKER_05:C says, what's 72 plus 981, bitch? Um, this is where, I mean, kind of switching subjects, this is kind of where, and y'all gonna hate me, not all y'all, but this is where when the maintenance come in for electric cars, there's no fucking maintenance for electric cars. Oh, when the battery dies, that car will be fucked before that battery dies. Like it'll it'll rust out before that. I mean, um up in Michigan, you got road salt and stuff like that, but um Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:The maintenance is way lower. The only thing is what tires? That's the only thing you're gonna do.
SPEAKER_05:Tires, yep, tires, and and then I think at a hundred thousand you put brakes on it. But you know, you're not gonna you don't it I mean now what here's the only caveat though. When shit breaks, it ain't cheap to fix. That's the problem. If it does fail, not the battery per se, but like some sort of connection with the battery or stuff. But I I I wholeheartedly think if you're gonna do gig work, you need to do use an electric car. I mean, it just I think you will save so much between gas and maintenance on that. I mean, can you imagine? Gabe's gotta get a oil change every three weeks, probably. I mean, if you're if you're diligent or at least once a month.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I mean, there when I was doing it full time, I was probably about every six weeks. I was getting more.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, it's that's that's 1200. I mean, if there it's a hundred bucks, that's uh fifty bucks. Yeah, but I'm just saying. Yeah. I mean, I go to get uh one for my wife's car at 75 bucks, but I'm just rounding up for math because we don't do math. It's 1200 bucks a year just for oil changes, not including any fuel.
SPEAKER_06:Right, no, not including fuel or or any other maintenance that you do on the car.
SPEAKER_05:And I feel like on a regular car, you're gonna go through breaks once a year at least. You know, so you you got probably three grand, three to three to five grand between fuel and maintenance a year on that car.
SPEAKER_06:How'd we get here from a sweatsuit?
SPEAKER_05:We always say we can never fill an hour, but like we'll get we can fill an hour, man. We'll get done and we'll have stories left that we haven't even touched on. How do we get there from a spot suit? Bubba Su says Gabe does a hundred a week. No way. He does more food. Doesn't he do like Instacart? I mean, I know he's done a hundred a week before.
SPEAKER_06:Sure, but I don't think he averages that.
SPEAKER_05:No, I don't think so either.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:See, yeah, I think he yeah, he he does too many gigs. Yeah gigs. I'm uh I'm tagging him in the chat right now.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Just ask him. Be interested to see how many rides he's done this year.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, well, for 2025.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, 2025. Yeah, that's right. Oh, I spelled it wrong.
SPEAKER_05:That doesn't that doesn't surprise me or anyone on this show. We don't do spelling either. We don't do spelling, yeah. Uh we just push buttons.
SPEAKER_06:That's right.
SPEAKER_05:Wait and talk in the news. Tried it fine. I tried it. I can't wait to edit this at the beginning of the show. I sounded like I had a stroke. It I'm serious. I like pause. I was like, what is I was worried about him? I and then I read another article and it's just like perfect. It's like, what the fuck? Um, okay. This this Waymo in the news, he got uh we'll just watch it. Yeah, it's so funny to explain it.
SPEAKER_03:So much mango for Ginnus here safely. I hope it pulls into the driveway to the throw.
SPEAKER_05:So I uh I'll pause it. This is why I like doing it on Restream. We're following about your recent Waymo ride on one-fi 2006. We noticed that you violate our terms of service by touching the steering wheel in our car. Please be advised. The air count may be suspended indefinitely if this happens. All right, we'll finish it up.
SPEAKER_03:We got here safely. Thank you, Tomango, for driving. What a legend. I think he stopped.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, so for the audio listeners, this guy's in a Waymo and he's got his pet parakeet or some kind of bird and he sets his bird on the steering wheel. So can you imagine driving down the road and look over and look, see that? And it looks like the bird's driving the car, and you've never heard a Waymo before. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know what award in the United States or the universe that that guy could get, but he needs to get all of them because that is the most funniest shit I've ever seen in my life.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it looked like he was over in the front passenger seat with some, it looked like he had some food or something. Taco Bell. Yeah. And uh so yeah, he brought his brought his little bird with him and put him on the steering wheel. And the bird was just as the steering wheel would turn, the bird he just hanging on, he was hanging on, riding around as it was, you know, making these turns.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I love I love like stuff like that because it didn't damage the car.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, no harm was done to anybody. It's just funny, unless somebody crashed because they looked over and saw a bird driving a car. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:How would you like to rule on that lawsuit? Yeah. Bird, bird distracted me, so I drove, you know, ran over a kid or something. Yeah. Um, no, that was the funniest shit. When I watched it, I was dying laughing and just again. I didn't watch the whole thing, and I didn't know that he went all the way around like you.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, that was funny. Yeah. He didn't, he he didn't uh he didn't fly off or anything. He hung on for dear life and just rode that steering wheel.
SPEAKER_05:Hey, you know, it's he probably thought it was fun. He's like, shit, I'm out of it. Go ahead.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, like I said, it's probably probably like a ride for him or a toy or yeah.
SPEAKER_05:He's probably like, shit, I'm out of the house, I'm out of that cage. Like, this is fucking amazing. Yeah, let's roll, man. Let's do this. I think that dude should start a whole TikTok trend about doing that, although they might ban him pretty quick.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, if you got a notice on the very first one, they probably wouldn't put up with it. Yeah, probably one more time he'd be gone.
SPEAKER_05:I see, I love that shit. I that's one reason I watch TikTok. Some of the creativity that I see on that app, first of all, I'm fucking jealous. Yeah. Because I mean, why didn't I think of that? That's so funny. And and it's just there's so many funny people out there that you just don't realize.
SPEAKER_06:And uh yeah, people think of things that that you're like, that's so simple. Why did why didn't some you know, why is it taking this long for somebody to think of that?
SPEAKER_05:Well, it's hilarious. And even if it's a bit and it's made up, it's still funny to me.
SPEAKER_06:Still funny, yeah, still funny.
SPEAKER_05:There's a guy, um he uh his I don't remember what his name is, but he pretends to be like a an overbearing mom, and he wears like a frickin' mat over his head, like uh like it's like a little I know I'm I'm not doing it justice, but it's so damn funny, and it's about your mom like in the 70s to 80s, just like don't bring that fucking dirt in this. Like it just yeah, oh my god. I'll have to if I see it again, I'll share it with you. But it's so funny. But like that creativity, it's a bit, but it's just like, oh my god, I remember when my mom like fucking lost her mind. We're like, or mom, I threw up in the bed. What the fuck?
SPEAKER_06:Oh yeah, yeah. Some of these characters that people create on online, yeah. Like there's you're seeing Ninja Dave. Oh, yeah. Oh man, he cracks me, he cracks me up, man. And his Judy Chops.
SPEAKER_05:And and the the best part of it is and and you might hate TikTok, but that brought us that funny shit. Like that, you don't see that on YouTube, you didn't see that on Facebook. I mean, you see it all now because they copied it, but God, I love it. It's so funny. When I'm in a shitty mood, it and I I look at that TikTok turns it around. Oh, it makes me depressed sometimes, too.
SPEAKER_06:But like it depends on what you what it's serving up to you that day.
SPEAKER_05:Uh yeah, yeah, that's for a different day. All right. Um, so this guy got tased from an Amazon Flex worker, and we're gonna watch that. It's about a minute three. It's a little confusing, so hopefully Larry can explain it to me, but we'll go ahead and watch it.
SPEAKER_01:That shit don't even be yours. You you doing all that for what?
SPEAKER_04:Sensing that the situation could escalate, Jones returned to her truck and grabbed a baseball bat before approaching the house again. She carefully placed the package on the porch while keeping her distance. Despite her presence, the man did not back away. Moments later, Jones took action. Making it clear she was prepared to defend herself if necessary.
SPEAKER_01:You get that settle.
SPEAKER_04:The encounter ended without further incident, and the footage has since drawn attention to the risks delivery drivers face while on the Okay. Do you think that was a bit?
SPEAKER_06:That's tough. You know, I don't know. I I'm I'm I've seen the tasers where you you have to press them against somebody. I haven't seen anybody that has one that shoots out.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I don't know if those are legal for I know you can do the yeah, like the the press one. I'm not sure they're legal with the ones that shoot out.
SPEAKER_06:And yeah, I watched this a few times because at first I th when I when I was first watched it, I was like, oh, she she thinks she's gonna steal the package because he pulls up and she's walking out, but then it makes it sound like no, she's worried that he's gonna do something to her, and then she she comes out. So for the audio listeners, she comes up and there's a guy who pulls up on a scooter, and he may have been following her. She may, you know, who knows what happened beforehand. He could have been following her to several houses because uh he pulls up there and he's just hanging out waiting for her to walk in the gate. This this front yard is is fenced in, and uh she she goes in and comes out, or she goes back into the truck and gets a baseball bat, and then she walks out with a package and a baseball bat.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that was a little weird too. I mean, you got a taser, but you bring a bat.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, like I don't know, I don't know what that was all about. So yeah, she delivers a package and then she comes back out, and as she's coming out of the gate, looks like she turns and shoots him with a taser and he goes down.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he does. And it made me feel like it was might have been a bit because like he's like, You got that on cooking or something like that.
SPEAKER_06:What do you got that turned on? You know, uh what the what he got the taser turned on? Yeah, I mean that might be that one was a weird one. Uh I watched it several times trying to make sense of it. And she never said anything to him, never said anything at all. Like I said, it it makes you think that they've this is not the first time they've interacted.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. That's a good point. She's probably fed up with his shit.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I think that I think he's been probably following her around and they've had interaction. She's like, I'm not saying anything else. I'm you know, she's probably told him, Leave me alone or you're gonna you're gonna be sorry, or something. You know, something has preceded this.
SPEAKER_05:It is interesting that she hit the the doorbell. I do that when I'm like in apartments. I'll not like normally I never do. If I'm going to a home, I drop the package and I leave.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, so I think she did that because I thought she was worried about him stealing the package.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, exactly. Just to let the homeowner know that hey, it's here.
SPEAKER_06:You know, I'm here, maybe they want to come out and get it before he takes it.
SPEAKER_05:And I definitely do that in apartments. Um, even with um like if I'm delivering a Walmart like food order, I'll knock because I'm like some of the apartments are ghetto, they'll probably steal that shit right out of front of your door. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_06:And you don't want food sitting out, especially if it's hot out or something.
SPEAKER_05:Well, no, I mean like inside, like when there's like four or five apartments in a hallway, like I'll knock. And so for sure. Oh, I don't knock on homes for food ever. Really? Nope. I mean, you everyone's got doorbell cams and um you fucking know it's coming. Like it, I'm telling you, I'm a I have that app, Walmart, and I I don't get stuff well, I I do get stuff delivered um like Amazon because you can do that if you're if you're a member, they'll deliver it next day, whatever. Not, I mean, depending on what you order. So you sure so I treat it just like Amazon, but our food delivery we go pick up. But when I order something like what I do on Amazon, they like, oh, your driver just picked up your order. Oh, your driver's getting close. Oh, your driver's here. Oh, it delivered. Like, there's four notifications.
SPEAKER_06:You know, every you know every step of the way.
SPEAKER_05:So yeah, so that's why I don't knock. And last a lot of people have dogs. We have dogs. I don't want people knocking. Like, fuck off. So, anyways. All right, Larry, this uh this was interesting. I like this title. It it kind of it kind of wrapped me up a little bit about the AI and that kind of stuff. Exactly.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, so the title of this article is Crypto Developer Launches a Rentahuman.ai service that lets AI agents hire humans to perform real life tasks. So, you know, for the last several years now, all we hear about is AI, AI, use AI to do this, use AI to do that. It can code, it can, it can write games, it can create your website, it can do all your exams, or it can do everything, right? So this is kind of flipping the switch. So this guy created this site. Uh, this guy, he's a crypto engineer. He developed a site, uh, a new service that allows AI agents to hire humans to perform real life physical tasks, which obviously the AI can't do unless they're robots. Right. So it says that um let's see, more than 40,000 people have registered. This was this was a couple days after it opened. More than 40,000 people register on the platform, offering their services to uh 46 different AI agents. Okay. Uh I'm sure that's gonna grow. But it says um AI agents can hire humans for physical tasks such as delivering packages, driving somebody to the place, picking up groceries from stores, or feeding somebody's pet when they're away from home. Uh he says also people can be hired by AI agents for hugging and talking to others. So that that gets a little creepy there. Um but he said the AI agents can um rent the human, you know, the services of human beings for an amount ranging between$50 and$69 an hour. And based, you know, they they can search for human beings based on location. Skills are the hourly, you know, hourly price. Uh people who wish to register can offer services can do so by signing up to create a profile, which I have done, but I haven't filled it all out yet completely. Uh, but I plan on it. Um, you can also set you know radius of availability, what city you want to work in, uh, any languages you can speak, and uh just a general description about yourself, things you might be able to, you know, tasks you might be able to do. So uh yeah, that's definitely different. So different.
SPEAKER_05:Explain something to me. It's an AI hiring a human, but who's setting up the AI to get the work done?
SPEAKER_06:That's all unclear. I tried to dig a little deeper.
SPEAKER_05:You were you were speaking of it, and I'm like, but who's hiring the human? Like the AI doing it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's um if I find out more, I definitely do, I'll definitely do a follow-up on it because it it's it's one of those that kind of catches your eye. But yeah, it's hard to figure out what's exactly going on here and who's who's doing what.
SPEAKER_05:Well, yeah, because I mean the AI, of course, it's artificial intelligence, but somebody built someone's behind it. Like I have checked.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, somebody somebody's needing the task done. Yeah, I'm giving it a command to right because AI is doesn't need a ride somewhere. Right.
SPEAKER_05:Well, yeah, yeah. You know, yeah, that is that is interesting. So you so you did are you are gonna sign up, or you did sign up?
SPEAKER_06:I I I signed up on there, but you have to fill out I I was at work and then uh I I had to introduce some work.
SPEAKER_05:So fucking on the clock. You're signing up for AI stuff.
SPEAKER_06:Yep, and uh see how dedicated I am to the show?
SPEAKER_05:Oh, so dedicated.
SPEAKER_06:And so uh yeah, I you have to fill out your profile. And uh this from the short bit that I saw, like it just said list like list your uh your abilities or whatever. So it doesn't have like drop-down or check boxes of stuff you can do. So you just have to kind of do it.
SPEAKER_05:Can I type in blowjob?
SPEAKER_06:Well, I mean, if that's what you want to offer to do for somebody.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not sure why I went to blowjob because that's I've never sucked one. I've never sucked one. So not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm just saying I haven't done it myself.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. But uh yeah, there's you know, you would think kind of it'd be like a checkbox list or drop-down box. Okay, yeah, I can do that, I can do that. But it's just when I just saw the little bit I saw from it, it was just kind of wide open.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I'd be careful signing up. I feel like that's not very professional to not.
SPEAKER_06:Well, I use your name, so it you use my name? I'm just kidding, no, I did not use your name. Shit.
SPEAKER_05:Oh goodness. Hope I get touch inappropriately. Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean it it it did catch my eye. I definitely read that. I'm like, that'd be interesting. But again, I'm the the I waited for you to get done with your speaking about it because I'm like, well, who's ordering the fucking shit? And I a robot? The robot doesn't need a ride or a blowjob. Exactly. So anyways, uh, all right, so Tennessee bill uh paves the way for faster personal delivery. And I I see so many wrong things with this, and I did not know this, and I didn't know maybe in some states it already offers, but in Tennessee, they're only allowed to go 10 miles an hour, but they've now uh they're considering a bill that would allow them to go 20 miles per hour. I mean, again, it's subject to human monitoring, a human can intervene whenever necessary, but I'm telling you what, can you imagine a 30 uh let's see? Oh, they can carry up to 30 pounds. I thought that's how much it weighed.
SPEAKER_06:Well, I mean it has 30 pounds of food and then whatever it weighs, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Can you imagine that hitting your fucking ankles? Yeah, I mean, you're dead. You're not dead, but it's gonna break your leg.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna break your leg for sure.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, 20 okay, it doesn't sound like a lot, but go out and run 20 miles an hour. First of all, you can't. You can't, you're not Usain bolt, it's fast, yeah. So if that's I mean, it's one thing, the problem is it's on the sidewalk, it's not going down the road. So 20 miles an hour on a sidewalk, and then then it's it bodes the question. Everyone says, Hey, bike riders, don't ride your bikes in the road, ride on the sidewalk. That's illegal, right?
SPEAKER_06:You're not supposed to do that.
SPEAKER_05:You're not supposed to do that, and I'm not, I mean, I'm not like the a ball busting some right person from doing it. My my point is having like that motorized thing on the sidewalk is you can't do it on a bike. Why why are we allowing these frickin' scooters to do or these um yeah, those fucking things on the sidewalk too, the scooters. Why are we allowing this delivery little dot that DoorDash calls it to do 20 miles an hour?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, because the scooters are supposed to be on the road too. At least in the cities, they're supposed to be, but yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what they're you know, 10 miles an hour, uh, you know, you can live with that. But uh yeah, 20 miles an hour, that that's gonna that's gonna leave a mark.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, and I just read reread too. It says they're four and a half feet tall, so um almost as tall as Bubba Sue. But I was, you know, I just think that's dangerous. I understand why they want to go faster because they want to get the they're and they want to expand their delivery area. If it's only going 10 miles an hour, you can't. I mean, that seems to be very far. Yeah. Um, although I will say those things are probably nice and toasty in there, so that food's gonna be warm. Yeah. Even if you are driving a little bit longer. And fries, whatever, fries are gonna suck regardless. I yeah, someone's got to figure out a way to transport fries that don't get soggy.
SPEAKER_06:Billionaire.
SPEAKER_05:Billionaire overnight. I don't understand it because it doesn't matter. Even when you buy them like yourself, you go to McDonald's and let's say you got a 10-minute drive home. Yeah, you better eat them on the way because they're not gonna be good when you get home. I mean, they'll be good. I mean, we're all gonna eat them, right? But they're not gonna be the freshest. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06:Speaking of food, it reminds me. My my co-worker's been uh testing different kinds of uh combinations and different flavors and stuff, trying to recreate movie popcorn. And he he's got it pretty damn close.
SPEAKER_05:So, what do you what is your opinion on movie popcorn? Meaning, like what what is he doing? Like, is it is it the butter that makes it like that?
SPEAKER_06:Uh somewhat, yeah. Just uh the flavoring, yeah. Because um and it's not using butter, he's using uh it's coconut, it's butter flavored coconut oil.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. Um I think well, you don't have any Wesco's by you. Next time you come, or if you ever go to a Wesco, get the popcorn because I think it's hands down better than movie theater popcorn. Really?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, and I'm not saying theater movie theater is the best popcorn by any means, but it is it is pretty good.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, all right.
SPEAKER_06:Well yeah, I've I've had some others, and I had some that we we had not too long ago, and it was it was a you know packaged popcorn, a bag, you know, pre-popped popcorn. I don't remember the brand, but it was really good. Oh, damn. For the life of me, remember what it was. Oh, that's the worst when that happens. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It happens a lot more when you get my age. Yeah, right. And when you're 70. I was testing Bubba Sue if she was still listening because she didn't comment, so I don't think she's listening. She's probably she's probably got it on, but uh all right. I think that's gonna do it. We got like four articles for the Patreon. There's a couple I think I'm gonna say for next week's show because I wanna uh oh there she is. Movie theater doesn't use butter. No, I I know they don't when they're popping it. I'm just saying, no, they put butter. Oh no, maybe you add it after you're done. Yeah, you add it.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, after you're done.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. I'm a purist though. I don't like that liquid butter. I think I think it it really bothers touching it, and your hands are all gross. And I don't. I know my wife does. They she loves it, but like, no, I'm a purist. I want the popcorn regular, so um, yeah. So we'll save a couple of these for next week. Any gig work this weekend?
SPEAKER_06:Um, let me think. Probably not. Saturday being uh our anniversary and Valentine's Day. Uh but maybe Sunday now that football's gone.
SPEAKER_05:So um that's not butter. Well, you know, I met fake butter. Yeah. Is your anniversary on Valentine's Day? It is. Dude, next year the Super Bowl's on Valentine's Day.
SPEAKER_06:I know. I know. My my son, we were sitting here the other day. He's like, he's like, hey dad, you got a big decision to make next year. I'm like, what's that? He's like, Super Bowl's on Valentine's Day. I was like, well, it's it's funny because just like a couple weeks ago, we didn't we didn't intend to do our our wedding on Valentine's Day. It was just the only time that worked for both of us. It just happened to be that day. Right. Like she wasn't living in Virginia, I was living here. It was you know, there's a lot a lot going into it. Um but we don't we don't go out and celebrate our our anniversary on our anniversary because it's Valentine's and everything's crowded, everything's priced three times. Live stuff just has limited menu. So we s we we we we made it official this year. We're celebrating our anniversary in March, March, you know, just a month later. Okay. And we we usually go out for Valentine's Day, either like a a couple days before then or a couple days after. So we're going out Friday night. We've got reservations Friday night to nice restaurants.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I was just saying, bro, you can do it on the next year because no one's gonna be at those restaurants, they're gonna be watching the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah. Oh, that's depends on who's in it next year as to what will happen.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, for sure. It ain't gonna be the Bucs, I'm telling you that right now.
SPEAKER_06:Um I don't know. Oh, come on, they're pitiful. Hey, hey, who who who beat the Seahawks? Who put 38 points, no, 20, 38 points on the Seahawks this year? Okay.
SPEAKER_05:The Bucks did. Who's got the ring?
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:The Seahawks.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah, well, that's true. Look at them, he's got nothing to say. We're the only team that that beat them this year that they didn't beat.
SPEAKER_05:Did you beat us? I forget. No, we bet. I think I we bet one of the games and I won. I know that.
SPEAKER_06:No, that that was last year.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, was that last year?
SPEAKER_06:Did we not play you guys this year? No, I think we played, but I'm like, nah, I'm not betting this year.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, but they're going to the Super Bowl in 2026. That's right.
SPEAKER_06:I say it. I mean, I'm a fan. I say it every year. Same, bro. Same.
SPEAKER_05:Uh, for me for gig work, I probably will. My wife and daughter are gonna be out of town for like five days. I mean, my son will be here, but I got nothing on the nothing planned. Um, it's gonna be a little bit of a warmer week.
SPEAKER_06:So might as well get out.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, might as well do some work. I'm I'm Jones and like I said, I like I like doing the gig work and uh I'm missing it a little bit. So um, all right, Patreon at 8 10 p.m., which is seven minutes away. We did math there. And as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. See you on the road. All right, see you in a week.
SPEAKER_06:Hey, good night.
