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When The App Is Wrong And Support Won’t Listen, What Should Drivers Do? | Ep 290
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A pizza goes to the right address—until the app decides it didn’t. That’s where our night begins: inside a double-order mix-up that flips a completed delivery into a fresh task 10 miles away, and a support chat that insists the driver is at fault. We unpack what really happened, why third-party systems like Toast can scramble instructions mid-route, and how to protect your tips, ratings, and sanity when the software gets it wrong.
From there we hit the messy middle of Valentine’s week: dead mornings, stacked evening runs, and last-minute Walmart substitutions where a giant bear and the “prettiest roses left” collide with anxious customer DMs. We talk practical messaging, when to stop negotiating and drive, and why some tiny orders tip up while larger ones evaporate after a cancellation. Then we zoom out to the cost of convenience—how DoorDash, Uber Eats, and fees-on-fees push weekly food budgets into debt territory—and what it means for both customers and drivers who rely on those orders.
Security isn’t a side note this time. We share the playbook for dealing with identity theft tied to ridehail 1099s: freeze your credit at all three bureaus, enroll for the IRS Identity Protection PIN that renews every year, and verify exactly what your insurance (or your city’s rules) covers at each stage of a trip. That leads us to Empower’s legal fight in New York City, the murky question of who insures what, and why regulation there feels like a different planet. Speaking of strange planets, we break down DoorDash’s micro-task to close robotaxi doors, a Waymo caught on the wrong side of the road, and how autonomy depends on human backup more than glossy demos admit.
Along the way, expect straight talk, a little chaos, and tips that actually help: document every step, keep your replies short, avoid energy-draining chats, and do the math before saying yes to any “guaranteed hourly” rental scheme. If you work gigs, buy gigs, or are just wondering how delivery, rideshare, robotaxis, and identity security now overlap, this one brings the receipts. If you enjoyed this episode, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave us a quick review.
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Hello, hello. Welcome to the Gig Economy Podcast. Episode two hundred and ninety. I had to think about that a second. Uh go to gig economy show.com for everything gig economy podcast related. We got my man Larry in here tonight. How's it going, Larry?
SPEAKER_01:It's going well. It is going well. We warmed up here. We're uh we're gonna be up 70 tomorrow.
SPEAKER_03:So yeah, it was warm today on the playground. I had uh I had my sweatshirt off and the sun felt good and it was a little windy, but it was warm wind, which is weird in February.
SPEAKER_01:That is weird, yeah. Yeah, Mother Nature.
SPEAKER_03:For sure. Patreon.com slash the gig econ podcast. If you want to support the show, get that out of the way. Uh, really thankful for our supporters, Samson, Bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal Kickass, and Anna. Appreciate you guys so much for supporting the show. Go to Patreon.com slash the Gig Econ Podcast. All right. Uh, actually, have a telegram uh chat or uh telegram message of the week. What is the telegram group, Larry, since we don't talk about it anymore?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, our telegram group, it's just how we communicate with each other the most part. It's kind of like a texting or a chat program that people are used to. But along with text messages, you can also send video or voice messages, which is nice sometime. Uh when you're out driving or something, sometimes it's kind of hard to text, but you can just press that button and leave a voice message. Uh, if you get in there and talk to gig workers all over the country, get there and make some friends. That's how we got to know each other. Um, we have friends all over the country. We'd love to get in there and talk about gig work and uh what what new gigs are coming out or what's popping right now or what's slowed, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, love to have you join our telegram group.
SPEAKER_03:Everything that we talk about is then in the description. You can click the link. Um uh so yeah, the only reason we're kind of trying to get into the content more this year, but I'm talking about it because I have a message. Okay, so this was on Valentine's Day uh at 1134. I do not remember what this is, so this is gonna be a surprise for me. I did not play it uh before. So dangerous. Uh yeah, well, yeah, I don't yeah, I think it's fine for uh for for our group, right? Um so I'm gonna play it and hopefully I can figure out what the hell uh it's about. Oh my god, I feel like such a cocksucker. So I ended up getting a ride. This is a two-part story. I ended up getting a ride, and it's the pickup's right near where I have to uh um drop this food off, right? So I remember. And the guy's like, hey Jason, I'm a truck driver, I won't be there till 1148. I'm like, totally fine, it works out perfect. I got a food to order out in Hudsonville, and then I'll pick you up. And then it's going back to Gramble, y'all. I'm gonna be fucking oh, I'm so stoked. But, anyways, I'm driving or I'm trying to back out of uh of the um to go pickup at Cracker Barrel, and somebody parks behind me, and I'm like, Oh, I got a camera, I can sneak out. So I try to sneak out, she goes, Hey! And so then I opened the window crack, she can't see me. I go, Why the fuck are you parked there? She's like, I'm getting an elderly person out. I'm like, oh god damn it. So I didn't say anything else because I felt like a dick. But she could have waited, she seen me backing up before she opened the door. So there's a story for you. I was a cockhead. But seriously, don't park right behind the fucking to-go order. Don't bitch. Alright, I'm back on her. She's a fucking bitch.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, so this is the gold you're missing if you're not in our telegram group. This is it right here.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I like how at the end I I doubled downed on it. I'm like, no, screw F her. Like, she literally was like, I understand what she was doing. And that cracker barrel by us, I mean, I don't know about by you, but yeah, the parking lot is like bag dad. Like they don't take care of the outside of the property, and it just the way it's set up where they put the to-go. They they used to have it kind of off put and it was great. You had to walk a little further, but I was fine with that. There was no traffic. Now they put it right in the front. Yeah, that's where ours is. And so, yeah, I mean, I I mean, I don't know, the lady pissed me off, but then I felt bad. I mean, I normally don't say anything, I just reposition and and and just you know, let her get through or whatever. But I was like, don't fucking park there. Oh, I'm glad that made my night because I couldn't remember what that was, what I randomed about.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, uh, it's funny to listen back on those sometimes.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and I was like, and then I realized, oh my god, I'm rambling because I'm driving, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So you kind of it's funny how you think yeah, you're processing things and cars coming, and you know, I gotta move here. So yeah, you you it's you you don't talk like you know, as you normally would, and it's not a steady flow conversation.
SPEAKER_03:Right. You stop because you literally stop talking because your brain has to figure it out, which is it's just interesting to hear that in a in a in a rec a recording. I don't notice it when I'm like yeah, I can picture you turning the radio dial down. Yeah, yeah, to listen for stuff, right? Yeah, so well that was fun. I I needed that today. That yeah, that was good funny. So that was telegram gold. Telegram gold, yeah. Uh all right, stories from the road. I worked a lot this week. Well, I worked a lot on Saturday. I worked nine hours.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03:Um, and that was split up between morning and afternoon. Um, obviously, you hear I did some food delivery, some ride share, um, some Walmart. What happened was Walmart just was really slow, like everything was really slow Valentine's morning. Uh it's just and it wasn't just uh Walmart. It I felt like it was rides and food delivery. It was just quiet. So I did a little bit and then I was like, I'm going home and I'll come out later. So I ended up coming out later, and uh it was busy then. Food delivery was popping. I ended up doing like back-to-back ones on Uber, did a couple, couple. I mean, I did like$120 on Walmart, so I must have done a few, but yeah, the story pops up. It's uh Uber Eats delivery. Now I'm gonna preface saying this. I might ramble a little bit, it'll come to me because I'm it's been almost a week, and you know, I know what's going on, but or I mean I know what happened, but anyways, so I get an Uber Eats at a pizza place, and um, and then I I get another double, right? So just whatever. They're just popping, they're piling them on. I'm like, let's fucking go. Um, and so I go pick up the pizza in you know, I swipe the app and tells me to go to an address. Okay, I go deliver the address, another restaurant ready to go to my next step as asked if I want to go to the next step. Go to the next step, it's Indian food restaurant, go to hit swipe, and it's asking me to deliver the pizza that I just delivered to a different address.
unknown:Oh man.
SPEAKER_03:So now I have this Indian food in there. Like I literally, the name on the Indian food said Claude. I swiped go and it says Rochelle deliver the pizza to not to the address I went. So tell me how that happened. Tell me how I follow the app. I don't I mean, it's literally idiot proof almost, other than like, you know, not you know putting it in a bad place. I mean, obviously the app can't control that, but I mean, like, you literally it's step-by-step instructions.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I that's the only thing I can think of.
SPEAKER_03:We thought, you know, Gabe and I went round and round together.
SPEAKER_01:We kind of got and y'all are the food delivery. I mean, you know, y'all would know much better uh doing do it having done much more food delivery than I have, what might have happened.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I threw it in the main chat, but it wasn't very active that night. So I was talking to Gabe offline. We thought about that, but then I'm like, where who was the person I delivered to? Like, right. I mean, that was supposed to be Rochelle, but that was yeah, I mean, okay, so then um, so then I got this Indian food, right? And then I'm like, fuck. So I go to support and it says one minute for phone call or ten minutes on chat. I'm like, I'm just gonna call. It gets sends me through all these prompts and fucking hangs up on me. Oh, and I'm like, You can just imagine me in the car. So then I chat, I go on chat. It it it popped up two minutes before, like it was quicker than ten minutes. So the whole time I'm trying to convince like I'm voice texting, I'm not even like trying to type because it's I have to repeat myself what's happening and what happened. And finally they said, Oh, so it they like I don't know if I saved the screenshot, but they were gaslighting me. They're like, Well, finally I said, just cancel that order. The Rochelle for the pizza thing. I don't have the pizza. I gave them the exact address. I actually remembered it because I was repeating it in my head because it was dark, and they're like, What's the exact address? I gave it to them. They didn't respond to that, they were like, they did there was just nothing said about it. So I'm like, Well, maybe we're gonna figure out what was going on. Yeah, so finally I'm like, just cancel it, right? So they're like, Okay, so you want me to cancel it because you delivered the food to the wrong place? That's what it said in the chat. I'm like, so you're saying you're gaslighting me saying I did something wrong, right?
SPEAKER_01:I deliver it to where you told me to deliver.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, it's not rocket science. The app told me to go to 46 something stoffer, and I did, and I go to pick up Claude's Indian food, and then it says deliver the pizza to Rochelle at a like 10 miles away. Uh yeah, I have not heard of the incident like that. Well, here's what Gabe and I figured out, and I didn't say it at the beginning. When I got the original order, it has said something about toast. So toast is a platform that sometimes restaurants use. He thinks there was a glitch between toast and Uber, and then to me.
SPEAKER_01:Um it's a good explanation as any.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I use toast for like they'll do as on the personal side, they'll do reservations, but I think businesses use it for like transactions and and stuff like that. Because it even said in the notes, tell the the business I'm I'm I'm with toast and order number, that that, and for Rochelle. No, I didn't do that, I just asked for Rochelle, but I'm not saying that was the cause of it because I looked at the ticket, it literally said Rochelle on it. So I was just racking my brain. I'm like, that's the only thing Gabe and I could come up with is that there was some sort of glitch between those two things.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, that is that's a especially in the moment. Um it's just so strange. You know, you're wondering, you're you're trying to figure out what's going on and if you did something wrong. Um very frustrating.
SPEAKER_03:Now, I will say Uber gave me a tip guarantee because that tip got pulled because it was a cancel, but I don't I don't know because the Indian food I delivered was very far and a dollar tip, so it must have been Rochelle was the big tipper on it because it was it was paying out pretty good, like 26 bucks. So I ended up only getting like 16, but I think they said something about a guarantee, so I don't know exactly, but it was so frustrating, Larry. I mean, like dealing with support, I'm like fucking read my text. Let it it and then and maybe maybe it was confusing to them because you know I'm living it, I know exactly what happened. They don't, but I still wanted to throw my phone through the window. Yeah, so if I can imagine, yeah, and so yeah, finally they canceled it and I delivered Claude's fucking shit and went on with my life. And I I was worried, like, oh my god, am I gonna get I don't know why I worried this, but like, am I gonna get deactivated?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, they're gonna think that I'm trying to pull some kind of scam here.
SPEAKER_03:Like I'm trying to steal the food. I'm like, no, I was just following and then she repeated a couple of times, like, so you delivered the food to the wrong place, so you want you you want us to cancel. I'm like, no, I did I followed your app and she he or she, I don't know, had would not listen to it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And I don't think it was AI, I think it was actually somebody. I just think they were struggling to understand what I was saying. So whether it was a lack of a language barrier with the English or what, but yeah, so that was my fun night.
SPEAKER_01:That does not sound fun at all.
SPEAKER_03:So I did I'm making like thirty dollars an hour. So I was pretty happy with that. You know, I delivered these one-off flowers for Valentine's. Um another quick story. Yeah, lady from Tennessee, daughter at college, orders a freaking I mean, the shelves are clear at Walmart. So she orders a teddy bear and a blanket. It was like some like the teddy bear was attached to the blanket and some flowers. Of course they don't have it. I see this giant bear there, and I just scanned it for like a replacement and it took it. I was like, cool route. And she's messaging me. What color is the bear? This is for my daughter. Can you get another color? It was like a tan with like a pink nose. It wasn't very girly, but I mean, what the fuck do you want, lady? It's the day of Valentine's Day.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you it's you you waited till the last second. That's not our problem.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So then I go to get the flowers. They don't have the ones that she wanted. So I just picked the prettiest roses I could find, scan. Can you give me a picture of the of the bear and the flowers? And I'm like, I ignored her. I checked out and swiped go. And then on my way, I was like, I voiced a text, like, oh, I'm so sorry, I'm already driving, but the flowers are beautiful.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm like, have your daughter send a picture of them.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's what I pretty much. I wasn't I wasn't gonna, and then I was gonna do something funny. I was gonna send a picture in the car. I was gonna take a selfie next to the bear and the flowers and send it to her, but then I was like, oh god, she'll probably get pissed or something. Yeah. Um, and then I'll get deactivated.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, that's like you're breathing in all the fragrance.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:There's not gonna be any fragrance left by the time they get to my daughter.
SPEAKER_03:And let me get let me tell you, the honest truth now that we're on here, Walmart Flowers suck dick. They were not great.
SPEAKER_01:Oh they were weak. By that time, it's probably you know they're scraping the bottom of the barrel, probably by that time.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, they did bring in a like a like I think they bring in a truckload for just for Valentine's, but wherever they got 'em, I mean, they just seemed they just seemed weak.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:You know, I mean, for and for and they were twenty dollars too, so it's not like they were super cheap, but twenty dollars for for how many for roses? Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:How many?
SPEAKER_03:I got want to say there was twenty in there or a dozen. Not really. Well, maybe they weren't that bad because they were shitty.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, they can cause yeah, because usually like here Kroger will have roses for like twelve dollars for a dozen roses or something like that. But Valentine's Day, man, jack them up eighty bucks. Eighty bucks. See, sometimes, yeah. I mean, they they I I didn't go in and look this time, but they're they jack them up.
SPEAKER_03:Damn, yeah. Yeah, roses are I hate roses anyways. It's it is like my I love flowers, like that is my jam, sure, but I hate roses. I don't know why, because they have thorns on them. Who the fuck wants a flower that has a thorn on it? Screw you. Bubba Sue says that's cheap. But Bubba Sue, you should have seen these flowers. They sucked, they were terrible. Alright, I'm done ranting. Wow, that was uh quite the stories. Then Larry's got no stories.
SPEAKER_01:No stories. I did go out, did the but like I said, you know, during the daytime there there's just using it's using pretty vanilla.
SPEAKER_03:I can't say that it was at nighttime. Um, I will say a lot of my Uber Eats tipped over what the the like they added more. I don't understand it. Like a couple of them were like five, six bucks. I'm like, and these were like I delivered literally a case of Dr. Pepper or a 12 pack. He added four more bucks on it.
SPEAKER_01:Hey, some people are just you know like, oh man, he's out working on Valentine's Day. I'm gonna take care of him.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I I joked with that guy because it was for his his his wife. I was like, oh man, your lady needs that Dr. P, doesn't she? You know, but I mean then he added more money, and I'm like, I'm not saying go out of your way to do that, and I didn't do that to get more of a tip, but I just I just felt like maybe it was maybe it was the Valentine's thing. Like he's out working and he doesn't have a lady or something.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, really. This poor guy.
SPEAKER_03:This poor guy. He looks homeless with his hair and his beard. I mean, driving an electric car though, he must be doing okay, but yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, gig economy in the news. Uh, this says California man learns, and we've talked about this, he is identity was stolen when Uber sent him a tax form that he didn't earn. Uh, I am not gonna pronounce these names because they're very common. I don't know. Uh him and his wife first learned the alleged incident in September 2025 and received a pack in the mail welcome them as a new Uber driver. Uh, first we laughed it off. What is this? And then we became concerned. No, you did laugh it off and you didn't do anything, you didn't reach out to the company. I mean, I'm not blame, I'm not victim shaming them, but like if you got it in September, why didn't you call them? Uh, they said they tried contacting them, but reached the live representatives nearly impossible. They were eventually able to communicate through the app, but it doesn't really say when they called. And then this has happened before. Uh, I thought this was interesting. I highlighted according to Uber's website, the company used third-party vendors to connect background checks, prospective drivers must sit uh oh no, that's not what was great. Oh, oh yeah, had submit a live photo before being proved to drive. So how I mean, I know we talked to that security guy, but like is that what that person must have used, right? To get around that? Because how did they how were they even able to get these people? I mean, they got their social security, right? And and but how were they able to get their pictures? Did they just go to Facebook?
SPEAKER_01:Like, I mean, is there oh yeah, you can you can yeah, you can get anybody's picture.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it just it just seemed um it just I can't believe this is still fucking happening. Like, how are these apps not able to keep up with whatever the scammers are doing?
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh I mean, as long as they're picking up people, they don't care.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's that's shitty though, right? Yes, it's so shitty. But I did learn something. The Identity Theft Resource Center recommends that consumers obtain an IRS identify identity protection pin. Did you know about this?
SPEAKER_01:The pin number, um, yes.
SPEAKER_03:No, it's different because you have to get a new one every year. This is not a pin number to get like log into your account. This is like every January you have to get a new pin to protect your identity.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah, it does, but I've never heard of it. And then I this is how lazy I am, Larry. Oh, I gotta fucking do this every year. Fuck that. I'm not doing that.
SPEAKER_01:Let me create one every 12 months. Yeah, every 12 months.
SPEAKER_03:I gotta send a reminder. Are you gonna send me a fucking email? Can I do it on an app? Because like shit. Josh, fuck you.
SPEAKER_01:Get some AI to do that for you, man. I ain't got time for that. Once a year.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know. I just thought it was silly. Like, have you ever heard of having to put a a different pen in every year? It just seems a little odd.
SPEAKER_01:I have not, but uh, I mean, you know, yeah, this stuff happens. I mean, I got a letter yesterday as we get every so often, you know, um, we're just letting you know our company had a data breach. Oh god, who what company it was, but you know, you're they got your you know it's your name and they got your name and social security number, and uh you know, you here's 12 free you know free months for this identity protection plan or whatever. So yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Have you ever signed up for any of those?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I never do it.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, I also have I also have my credit frozen off on all three of the major credit recording places.
SPEAKER_03:I thought about that. I probably should. Um we don't really take you know, we you and I talked about the credit card thing, and that's been going pretty good. But like other than that, we're not borrowing credit, and we probably should do that. But it's is that do I have to do that every month or once a year?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no. When you just freeze your credit, that just means somebody else can't if they steal your identity, they can't open an account. Yeah. You know, if they try to run it, it's gonna be frozen. But if you know, if you're gonna open another credit card or get a loan for anything, then you have to just log into your account and unfreeze it.
SPEAKER_03:Is it a pain in the ass to do?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03:No, do you have to go to all three sites?
SPEAKER_01:All three. Okay. Yeah, you want you want to do all three of them. Yeah. Because if they if they blocked on one, that's you know, they go somewhere else that happens to use the other one. But it's just three. And I mean, I did mine probably I don't know, a year ago. I haven't unfrozen, I haven't had to unfreeze it for anything because we don't we're now we're not getting any more credit cards or any, you know, yeah, any car loans or anything like that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I should I should do that. I always say I say a lot of things I should do, and I get off this podcast and I don't do any one of them.
SPEAKER_01:We both do that. Yeah, we do. Yeah, I'm not gonna let you take the whole bunch of things. I appreciate that. Um we we we both do that quite a bit.
SPEAKER_03:One of the things, um oh, I I don't sign up for that monitoring thing because I feel like they're just gonna bombard me with trying to keep the survey. Service going after the year, you know what I mean? And like how many do you sign up for? Like, because I get those, I mean, at least once a year, or maybe twice get letters like, hey, you've got yeah, I've I've signed up for them once or twice when something like this has happened.
SPEAKER_01:They're like, Hey, we'll we're gonna give you a free year, and yeah, I'll just do the free year, and then you know, cancel. Yeah, just drop it.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, especially I mean, why pay for it if you have your credit frozen? I mean, I guess it's good to have for so like social security, maybe. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of things now. You know, people are still in you know, people's houses, you know, these title title stuff, and I mean there's all sorts of stuff they can do, but uh it's yeah, it's probably just gonna get worse, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, uh can you do does like like my daughter's eighteen, she doesn't have any credit, but like my son's six fifteen. Can you can you go on freeze like they don't have a credit report, right?
SPEAKER_01:Like you couldn't Yeah, that I don't yeah, I don't know if and you probably can actually. Um like the social security number. Yeah, if you have their soh and just say yeah, because somebody can because that that happens too. People go uh, you know, yeah, and steal their kidney shit. Yeah, so yeah, I would do that too.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, good tips from Larry Secure your your credit. All right, DoorDash. Um, this was on the rundown last week we didn't get to, or maybe it was the week before, and then I just I didn't I didn't read the article, but like I just love the title. It says Doordash dependency sending Gen Z and millennials into debt. They're not drinking anymore, but they're going into debt for DoorDash.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. Yeah, it's funny because uh I actually had to had to search it on a different site because that the original site we had was uh the Washington Times. Oh god, isn't that don't let me read the article.
SPEAKER_03:It's the worst.
SPEAKER_01:I know it is so yeah. So this is just talking about yeah, how much money uh you know are are Americans overspending on food delivery. Uh you know, some people uh some people say you know they spend uh quite a bit of money. Yeah. They spoke to a 34-year-old woman in San Diego who makes fifty thousand dollars annually. Well, she ain't living in San Diego, she must be living outside of San Diego. Right. San Diego ain't 50,000 ain't gonna get you nothing.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, you'll get you a cardboard box.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, maybe, maybe so said she spends at least two to three hundred dollars a week on food delivery. She knows it eats into her savings, but you know, the convenience is is just hard to turn down. Uh said another man told the times that he and his husband spend about$700 a week ordering in because of time it saves. I love this quote. One man said he drives through Uber Eats in part to pay off his debt from ordering too much food delivery. So he's he's ordering too much himself, so then he goes out and delivers other people's food to make money so he can order his own food.
SPEAKER_03:What the hell?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Oh my goodness. So yeah, they have a lot of uh you know, a lot of figures and uh research in this. They said according to a DoorDash survey uh published in 2024, typical order is about$30, and about 75% of orders are below$43. Um also data from from that same time period, December 2024, from a company called Ugov who does a lot of research shows that a quarter of Americans, uh 28% use food delivery apps at least once a week. If you're looking at Gen Z and Millennials Only, that is over 40%. Holy smokes. At least once a week. That's high. Yeah. Um says uh the National Restaurant Association says almost 75% of restaurant orders are now eaten, not in the restaurant.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I can see that. I mean, we rarely um we rarely go. I mean, it's so freaking expensive. You know what I mean? Like if we're gonna get panda, we're not gonna eat in, we're gonna always grab it to go.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, or are you you know, somewhere that that you have to, you know, that you're gonna pay a tip for server. If you get it, take it home. You know, you don't have to worry about that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh you usually can get, you know, you get a drink at home, so you're not ordering, you know, even a even a soda, you know, it's gonna cost you, you know, three, four bucks nowadays.
SPEAKER_03:Um, where were we that they were four bucks a piece? And I was like, holy shit. Yeah. Some place. It wasn't Texas. I went there last night, but it was somewhere else. I don't know. I'm like, four bucks. Oh, yeah. I was out with the old people. That's right. I didn't have to pay for it, but she was she's like, you know, they charge four dollars for that soda. I'm like, one soda, four dollars a fountain soda? Like, geez.
SPEAKER_01:It used to be a meal, right?
SPEAKER_03:Right. Uh Josh says I only use it when I don't want to lose my parking spot. What at the airport? Are you hanging out? Are you a hangout the airport guy cleaning your car and wiping it out?
SPEAKER_01:I use it probably parking spot at his apartment or house or wherever you can.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's not that's a good point. That could be it, especially in the winter.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So uh, you know, just some more things that are not not too surprising. So the lower income households do much more uh of the you know, much more of the our shift toward food at home than higher household higher income households because of the you know the rise in prices and how much it costs. Yeah. Um people under age 25 um especially are showing uh a shift toward having you know food at home. Um actually making food at home. So the pendulum's kind of you know, I think it's starting to catch up with people. Um well not for Gen Z. It is definitely not cheap to to have food delivery all the time.
SPEAKER_03:What I don't understand is like I so I was doing the Uber Eats over the weekend and I had triples, and I'm like, oh my god, the like I got a Qdoba, it was three restaurants, and the Codoba one I picked up first, and I didn't even deliver that one first. That was the second one. I'm like, she must have it must have been an hour.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, how good's the food gonna be?
SPEAKER_03:I mean, you it's gotta be you're hitting the microwave, right? Like every single time.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And like how is it is it really worth the convenience of like I mean, I guess some people don't have cars, like I get that.
SPEAKER_01:But at that's a small minority.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. At that point, I mean, yeah, I guess if you're using um if you're using the service, chances are you probably have a car. I don't know. But um at that point, why not just go get it? It's gonna taste so much better. I don't know. Or or do the priority where like, you know, you're the only driver or the only order for that driver.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it's so funny now to think back on the days of like when in when pizza was the only thing you could get delivered. I know so much has changed. For most of our lives, that's the way it was. That was it. Yeah, pizza was the only food you would get delivered.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, now I mean I don't even know any restaurants in my area that deliver their own stuff. It's all subbed out to like, and I know for a while there Jimmy Johns was holding out, remember? And they finally cave too. Eventually they did.
SPEAKER_01:Like just like the pizza places, you know, a lot of them had their own delivery guards. Some of them I think still have some delivery guards, but when it gets busy, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I wonder how they do that if they like you say when it gets busy, but how do they separate that? Because like if you're if you're ordering on like Jets website, you're gonna get a Jets driver, right? Like, I I don't know if they'd be able to sub out a delivery to I mean maybe they're able to do it from the taxi. I bet they have a way. I think yeah, I bet you're right now that I think about it. That's probably not that hard.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:To be like, well, we don't have time for this, so let's just send it to DoorDash. So interesting. Uh all right. Well, we talked about uh this in the past where uh Waymo is having trouble with her doors, getting them a close, and it was a record company that came out. Well, now DoorDash is here. Um, so this is a 625 guarantee and then plus five dollars extra pay on top of verified completion, 0.7 miles, like what was that$11.25,$12.25,$11.25. Uh, that's great. Um, I think that's very fair on price. I'm interested why they would add five dollars upon like why not just I mean, somebody would do that for$6.25. I might do that for$625. I mean, if it's seven tenths of a mile away, and you're literally just gonna like close it and take a picture, and you're I mean, you could probably estimate a nine minutes. Shit, I'll have that done in three.
SPEAKER_01:You might not have to get out of your car, just pull up beside it, reach out the window, never get out of your car.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know why that maybe laugh the picture of you rolling up getting close and just take the picture, peace. That's right, man. Um, I mean, I I I like that they're doing this. I mean, it's it's probably cheaper uh for them to uh to sub it out like that than to send like a tech out or whatever, but like you know, DoorDash, like they they'll do anything.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you you would think they would have thought of this before, you know, figure out a way to make cl self-closing doors.
SPEAKER_03:Right, yeah. I mean, well, here's the thing, they're using a Jaguar. That's what what like an eighty thousand dollar car already? Like, why why haven't why didn't you like think that this would be an issue? Or maybe they did and they're like, we're fine, we'll we'll just sub it out. It's it's fine. Yeah, I guess I'd be curious to know how often that actually happens.
SPEAKER_01:Mm-hmm. Sure. Yeah, that'd be a good statistic to see. Uh, because you know, I mean, there's there's you know, there's just a certain percentage of people who are gonna do it just to be assholes. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:What percentage what percentage are you thinking that's I don't know, man. 10% that's probably a good number. Well, me personally, when I'm in someone else's car or even in my car, I know when I didn't close it. Oh, yeah. Ethically, I'll have to go back. Yeah, for sure. I I I'm gonna go back and reclose that because that would just bother me. Because if it was me, and that you know, well, you know, we've done ride share when people haven't done that, and you I mean, I know they're drivers.
SPEAKER_01:Especially they get out the the rear passenger door and they just leave the door there, and you're like, what the what the what are you doing? What are you doing? And sometimes it's by accident. They think the person in the middle is getting out on their side getting out in the other side. But sometimes, you know, people are there's too inebriated to shut the door.
SPEAKER_03:Well, not only that, it it's like a faceless company now. Like, at least with a like I've had people come back with regular passengers and oh, oh, they realize that they didn't, but like when it's a Waymo, you're like, I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? No one's in there to like have that ethical, like, oh, this guy's the driver's gonna think I'm a dick if I don't, you know what I mean? Yeah, so they're just like ah, fuck it, somebody else's problems yeah, who cares? So, yeah, that's funny. Uh, all right. We I feel like we need to turn our show into fucking Waymo show because like I swear we talk about them all the time. So when I do AI, I don't remember what the title was in this. I use Chat GPT, I take all our stories and like give me a title. And a lot of times I will put as a prompt, don't include Waymo. Because I feel like every time it puts it because we have a Waymo story, it puts it in there. I'm like, it's all right. I don't mind talking about him, but like it's getting a little old in the title. So yeah. Uh do you want to preface this? Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So this is uh this is a comedian, he's just talking about uh incident that happened with Waymo a few weeks ago. We we talked about it on the show. Uh it's where a uh Waymo ended up having an accident with a running into a child, but hey, it has a has a pretty good funny take on it. I gotta chuckle out of me for sure.
SPEAKER_03:It's a whole 11 seconds. Yes. Do you guys see that a Waymo ran a kid over like two weeks ago? How many Uber drivers do you think were out there who saw that and were like, yes. Oh, look at the look at the freeze frame his face. He's like fist pumping. Yes, perfect, perfect.
SPEAKER_01:That was such a yeah, that's so that that definitely brought a chuckle out uh out to me. I can see, you know, I I think that probably went over well with the ride share drivers out there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's true, right? I mean, uh people that are really like, you know, that's their main gig eventually. I mean, you know, if if it's your main gig and you're doing that many rides, chances are you're probably in a city that it's either there or it's coming soon.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's coming. Yeah, because they have big plans for expansion, that's for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, I Grand Rapids, Michigan, where I'm at, I'm not too terribly worried about. I mean, I don't do a lot of rides. Although I say that every time I've been going out the last couple weeks, I took a few rides. Um, but I mean they did give me a$30 quest this week, weekend Larry. I mean, I'm just like, wow. I only have to$30 quest, I only have to do 700 rides. So$700 in two days. No, I'm just I'm just kidding. Um, all right, so this we've talked about this app before, um, but this is a story in New York City. Uh Empower is in New York. They say that the new rides app, which isn't really not new anymore, claims fares up to 20% cheaper than Uber and Lyft, but cities say it's illegal. And there's a lot of like mumbo jumbo. Um, but one of the things we all know, right? The TLCs, the rules in New York, it's like you have to be like a fucking PhD to figure out the yeah, it's a different world. It's a different world. Uh, but they said empowers using a bunch of fancy words that basically say they don't want to be under rules and regulations. It's only drivers that should be under rules and regulations, and a representative um from the taxi alliance said, and which represents yellow cab, of course. So it's just basically they want their money. The it says if a driver gets into a car accident, both rider and the driver might not get insurance covering that ride because it's not registered. Um, so like I don't know about the insurance, but when I read this whole article, that no one talked about they talked about not having insurance, but they didn't talk about um, you know, does the app provide insurance?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_03:So I don't know if you know any more information on that or like have you heard about it?
SPEAKER_01:No, I like you said the rules up there are are very convoluted, and sometimes it's hard to find information. Yeah, accurate information, I should say.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well, yeah, like I said, I I really read through this whole thing. I highlighted a few things and I couldn't see where it said that um you know we have insurance, and and maybe I'd go to Empire Empire. I'll think into the carpet place.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Empire 800 580 day to 300 Empire today.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Empower. Um I mean, this is what Uber and Lyft did, right? They just rolled in and they just did it. So, like, I don't know why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch. I mean, probably because they have more legislation now and they're more aware of what is happening, and so they're able to do that. Josh says that the app is not providing insurance, that's why they failed in other stuff. Yeah, I I I I why are they doing that? I mean, what did they expect to happen? And I feel like, isn't there a requirement at I mean, that's why Uber and Lyft do it, a requirement by the state to provide the insurance? Like, I just don't understand it. I mean, obviously, if you have your own commercial insurance, yeah, that's you're fine.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's a different story. But yeah, you you wonder how they're even allowed to start operations if if they're not offering one of the things.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, you just like Uber and Lyft, you just roll in and start and tell somebody sell tell an attorney.
SPEAKER_01:That's what Uber did for sure.
SPEAKER_03:Well, until an attorney says if you don't stop doing this, you will face charges. Like they're I mean, that's what Uber and Lyft did, right? And they're like, Oh shit, I better do this. I wonder if they came out the gate with insurance, Uber and Lyft. I bet you they didn't. Uh Uber uh would agree with you.
SPEAKER_01:I would tend to agree with you. Yeah, until they got forced. They did a lot of stuff, even even after the lawyers told him if you don't stop, we're gonna, you know, yeah, throw you in jail. That didn't stop them a lot of times.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Josh says the driver in New York City are required to have commercial insurance, so even Uber extra what? No way. That's just like a thousand dollars a month. Like that's doesn't how how do you even make money on that? Like, if you're not doing private rides, like I mean, it they can't be making so much money that they're able to afford commercial insurance. I don't know. I can't believe that. I mean, I I I know you're in that in that area, but um, I can't believe they make them do that. I'll have to look that up and dig into it a little bit. I'm sure you're right. But I mean, how much can they make? I mean, they're limit they're limited to even how much they can drive because of the rules.
SPEAKER_01:It's cheaper in New York City to get limited to how much they got for Uber then, but if you have you have commercial insurance, you can do all the rides you want.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but then why not then why not then that doesn't make sense. Why can't Empower do that if riders, if drivers already have why do they keep talking about insurance if they already have commercial insurance? Unless they're getting drivers that aren't I mean, I would assume they would they would get well no, I'm saying that don't drive for Uber and Lyft. Right. Um, I think the TLC just wants their fucking money. Other than that, I don't understand the issue, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right. Am I out am I am I like No no it doesn't make sense?
SPEAKER_03:Okay, I feel like I feel like I'm over here like I mean, am I going crazy? Um but yeah, well, that's weird. It's cheaper in New York City, so commercial insurance is cheaper. I wonder why is anything I that would be the first thing that's cheaper in New York City, I think. Because I feel like everything's expensive there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that would be interesting to dig into and and see if we could you know find out more information on exactly.
SPEAKER_03:I don't know if I want to do that work though.
SPEAKER_01:I don't I know.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, I mean we're just touching on it, but like it it is seems odd that everyone has to have it. Uh well, this sick uh how did I forget his name? Steve on it. How did I forget Steve's name? Gosh, what a jerk. All right, this driver, I uh share this picture here. Um I'm so still getting used to it. Oh, can you read this? Oh, yeah, you should be able to read that.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, yeah, that's good because it wasn't in the rundown. I was like, okay, I'm assuming he's gonna put the picture up on the screen.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I was hoping you would get in there early and look. I don't want it. This the pictures jam up the rundown and makes it all gappy, and I don't like that. So I probably should have let you know that I wasn't gonna put him in there anymore.
SPEAKER_01:I kind of assume that's all right. So yeah, this is a uh um what is this, Facebook?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Facebook.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so yeah, it's in uh Lyft and Uber Group. And uh somebody posts and says, anyone looking for a job? Uber has a contract with Hertz. Drivers use Hertz rental cars five hours, five days a week. You have to accept every ride, can't cancel any ride, and the pay is fourteen dollars an hour. Yeah, fourteen dollars an hour. So yeah, people with questions and comments on there, you know, somebody asks, so who pays for the rental?
SPEAKER_03:Uh the driver and uh um well, no, the cut this person's paying for the rental, they're just paying a guy fourteen dollars an hour to drive it around. Okay, yeah, that's what it is. It's basically like a like a barely a minimum wage job just to get some money. But I would I may I mean I could be wrong, but I would assume this person rents the car out and then pays somebody fourteen dollars an hour. But how does that like we talked about that too with um when you do that, how like who's it's the I guess I don't know how you do that fleet, because that's like fleeting, right? Like you have your own cars, but this person this uh you know obviously is renting out the car, but I don't know. I'm just kind of confused on how that even process even works. A lot of confusion on the show tonight, I see.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. So uh I mean this post it doesn't sound like it's an individual um leasing out cars. You don't think so? No, because it says it says Uber has a contract with Hertz where drivers use Hertz rental cars five hours, five days a week. And accept every ride, can't cancel any ride. So you're saying Hertz is running this business? Well, it sounds like Uber is is just it's another way to get people in cars. I guess because they're they're the one who set the rules about you can't cancel, you have to accept every ride. So it sounds like it's just a kind of an hourly job driving for Uber.
SPEAKER_03:I just I got I'm kind of confused. I've not heard of like this is the confusion week. This is the I mean it is anyone looking for a job, Uber has a contract with Hertz. Drivers use Hertz rental car five hours, five days a week. You have you have to accept so it's only five hours?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know about that. I don't know what's up with that. Five five days a week. You have to accept every ride, can't cancel any ride, pays fourteen dollars an hour. So to me, it's just basically or we've seen you know um uber hourly rate, but you're you're not using your own car.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:It is and you're only gonna make fourteen dollars an hour.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, who the frick would do that? Like, are you so desperate for money that you're I don't know, this is the stupidest thing.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, there was one comp guy in there that sounded like he did it. He's like, Yeah, you know, uh it saves all the wear and tear from you know from your car.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean I guess but for fourteen an hour?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Shit. Yeah. Uh yeah. Even not using my own car, I'm not gonna be out there uh where I'm locked into$14 an hour.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, that's worse than the earned by time on DoorDash, for God's sakes. Like, holy shit. But I just thought that was odd.
SPEAKER_01:This is the yeah, this is definitely it's another way to get you know people in the driver's seats.
SPEAKER_03:I guess hook them in like uh fucking cash. What are those stores? Check caching stores where they get you into that that lock-in, and then they're like, oh no, I gotta go get a car because like oh I gotta make money and shit like that. You know what I mean? Uh yeah, so all right, moving on. Waymo in the news. All right, Waymo in the news. Uh this is a minute six. I don't quite remember, but we'll play it. The TikTok's name Hustle Bitch.
SPEAKER_00:Connected to rider support. Alright, this is on Waymo Rider Support. How can I help?
SPEAKER_02:Hi, the the car is going the wrong way. It's going on the wrong side of the road.
SPEAKER_00:I'm so sorry, dude. I hear that. Let me double-check that here. You are gonna be able to uh you're gonna be able to free forward because uh control me here in my mouth. Let me go ahead and I'm gonna just uh go over here.
SPEAKER_02:Hello, can you hear me?
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_02:Can you hear me? Can you guys can you hear me?
SPEAKER_03:What the fuck? Hello can you guys hear me? No. I'm gonna get out of the car. Yeah, fuck that. I'll just figure it out myself. Yeah. So interesting enough, it sounded like it was uh they were talking to somebody like from a different country, and then someone that spoke really good English. Well, we heard the voice, they didn't do anything, they just got out. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So the initial initial help call went out to uh it sounded like somebody overseas, uh overseas help desk. And um supposedly he was looking at maps or something, and he was trying to say everything was okay, and the guy's like, no, that's not right. And he's like, All right, let me let me connect you to tier two sport, which is somebody back in the States, and then she's like, Hello, can you hear me? And the guy's like, Hey, can you hear me? And she never could hear him. So finally he was like, Uh I'm getting out, y'all can figure it out, I'll figure out my own way to wherever I need to get.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I mean, at some point it's just frustration.
SPEAKER_01:We're like, sure it is, you know, because yeah, for the for the uh audio uh listeners too, yeah, he's he's in a Waymo, and the Waymo is clearly on the on the wrong side of the street. It's driving into oncoming traffic. Yeah, and finally it kind of pulls over into the right and stops. Um but yeah, I mean it could have been very bad. It could have ended up very bad.
SPEAKER_03:At least they weren't going fast. I do find a lot of these things that happen, the car is like in a position that's not like it is like an issue, but it's not like they're going 55.
SPEAKER_01:Right. See, and that's the thing. We're you know, you know, 99% of the Waymo videos we've showed have been in neighborhoods because that's where they've been authorized to drive. Yeah. But now they're letting them, you know, drive on the highways in some cities. And that's that's where the stuff really can go bad really quick. Because yeah, if you're driving on a residential street, you know, you're doing 20, 25, maybe 30, you know, obviously you can still get an erect that that could injure somebody or do some damage to a car, things like that. But yeah, you're doing 55, 60, 70 on a highway, and all of a sudden you're in oncoming traffic.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you have to bad shape, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Real quick, you're in you're in trouble. Yeah, time for them to call somebody in the Philippines and then figure out what's going on.
SPEAKER_03:There's nor no maneuvering that's gonna happen that quick, you know.
SPEAKER_01:No, no. So yeah, that that's gonna be, you know, that's a that's a big test, you know, now that they're on the highways.
SPEAKER_03:So I was gonna ask, they are for sure, is it just all the cities or just well, I mean, obviously they tear it up a little bit, but like probably no, it's uh I think it's somewhere um it's in California.
SPEAKER_01:I know they're doing it in California for sure. I'm not sure of anywhere else. But you know, I mean, you know, we we talk about the Waymo's a lot, but there's these cyber trucks, these AI trucks that have been are driving on the road or on the highways and oh like semis a lot of miles, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Why do why do I feel like those are better because they're just straight highway, I guess? I don't know. Like I mean, honestly, let's think about it. It is easier to drive on the highway than it is the side streets. I mean, it just is. On the highway, you don't have people, I mean you have entrance ramps and exit ramps, but like you know, there's not stop signs, and you're looking, okay, it's a four-way side.
SPEAKER_01:Is it a four-way stop? Is it a two-way stop? Yeah. People getting out of their cars, you got kids, you're running around, balls falling in the street. Yeah, you got a lot of stuff, a lot of inputs, a lot of you know, things you got to process at one time. Where it's usually on the highway, you you know, you're usually uh you're maybe two or three lanes going your way. There's usually a divide that you know, divide between you and the other other direction of traffic. Um, yeah, besides the entrance and exit places, it's it's it's can be pretty boring driving. So yeah, I that that is probably more well suited to uh that kind of stuff. But when it does go wrong on the highway, it goes wrong quick.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean the same reason why my car it will drive itself on the highway, but it won't do it on the streets. Yeah, not my neighborhood, because it's just easier to like it's got the maps, and I mean obviously it's not changing lanes for me or whatever, but it keeps me in my lane and just going. I I I I lose that in July. You only get it for three years. I don't think I'm gonna pay for it. I don't I mean it's I don't I mean, I would when I was doing a lot of flex, it was nice like traveling home from like Kalmazou for 45 minutes on the highway. It was nice to have it, but it's not worth I don't even know how much it is. It's probably gonna be like 20, 30 bucks a month. I'm like, nah, I ain't fucking paying for that. So fucking bastards trying to get every penny out of me.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, they they wring it out of you, man. And Josh said that self-driving handles the back roads well.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's an yeah, I mean, yeah, with the so Josh has to be paying for that now. They're a subscription model, and unless he got grandfathered in, but because he has a Tesla, I thought I saw that you have to pay like a certain amount. Josh, are you paying for it? If so, do you mind if we ask how much? No, don't don't ask for permission, just tell him to say it. He doesn't care. Um, okay, where are we at? Alright, so a couple just I mean, this is not that big of a story, but like it's about woman tries to order an Uber, she says he sh uh sees his message, I'm in bed. Um, so that was kind of just going back and forth. Apparently, the video was like had 6.7 million views about you know her and getting ready to go out, and and he wrote, cancel please, because I'm in bed. The driver wrote, You have two minutes to cancel for free. For me, the problem is to cancel. So people were kind of like on his side, but they're like, Well, at least he wants you to make sure you don't get charged. Um, and someone wrote, 'King wanted to stay home. Uh, you know, all that stuff. So why did he accept it then? I'm like, well, you know, I mean. Did he wait? I mean, I guess my question is, you know, did he wake up in the morning and turn the app on and um um and decide he wanted to take rides and then didn't, you know, was still tired? I I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:That's right. So Josh says that he's his uh guy that he knows and drives in New York City and he drives a black suburban, he pays 487 a month for commercial insurance.
SPEAKER_03:Uh I mean that's not horrible. Not for a suburban. I mean, well, it just in general. I mean, I pay, God, I would say probably half that. I mean, we're we're I'm for three cars, we're at like$380 a month for full coverage. So, I mean, four doesn't seem so bad.$487 for like commercial insurance.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and again, again for a suburban, which is gonna be a you know high high dollar.
SPEAKER_03:It doesn't go by the dollar, does it? Or or or yeah, insurance. I was thinking about registration, it goes by the weight for registration. Um, speaking of registration, my god, they added another hundred dollars to my electric car. So fuck, it was almost five hundred dollars to register my car for one year. Really? Yes, yeah. They had a fee on there already, and then apparently they must have passed another rule for because we don't pay, you know, we don't do the gas or we don't pay tax on the gas. I'm like, is that my problem though? I mean, I guess you guys are probably against it. Like, you should pay your fair share. I'm like, I pay enough taxes for everything fucking else. Like, sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry, God fuck. Sorry. That got me fired up. Uh he said Josh says he pays$390 for God, yeah, it's because you're in a Tesla, that's why. I mean, my wife's car, you know, my wife's a 2016, my daughter's a 2010, and mine's a 2023. So um I don't think 390 or whatever I said, 375 is too bad. So uh all right. This we got from I think I can't remember if it was from Faith. I just realized I don't think I have this picture. I'm like thinking to myself, I don't think I loaded this. I sure fucking didn't. Um let's see. Let me see if I can find it real quick.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Um, I think I can find it too. Sugar dress. Let's see who wins. You added a bunch of okay. Uh I'll read it. Do the complexity of Washington's app-based worker laws. Expedite has made the difficult decision to temporarily pause operations in the state. Our final day of service will be Friday, February 13th. So Expedite is the new or they changed their name. It was Delivered, which I was on, but when they went to that, either I I know Steve knows a lot about Expedite and Delivered. I think he had the the CEO on, and I don't understand why they changed their name. I mean, this isn't about the story. The story is about like, hey, you know, Washington's fucking around, and they were like, well, find out, we're out, we're done, and tell this. And I don't know exactly what is going on um in Washington. It's if it's due to the fact that oh, this is from faith. Um forcing them to pay a certain amount of uh minimum wage and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:Well, Washington State, I mean, it's one of those states we talk about a lot when you start talking about these states you're talking about you know giving benefits to people and minimum wage has to be this and uh you know, all these all these different regulations. Uh it's probably a lot of hoops they had to jump through and they're like, Yeah, it's not worth it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. I mean they may maybe they look at their business in Washington State and they're just like, it's not worth fucking fighting for. You know, it was weird with Delivered because when that like transition happened, like I got kicked off the app. And then when I went to try to re-like go last summer, they put me on the wait list. They were like, Oh, sorry, you're on the wait list. And I'm like, what the fuck? I was already approved. Like, what what changed? And and I couldn't be ignorant. Why did I get waitlisted? Yeah, why did I get exactly of what actually happened? But um, yeah, I one app that I do get. Let me uh I think it's Zifty. Um let me check. It's still uh well it's called the Eds the the uh app is called Treads, but I think it's Zifty. They're not as good as the like the delivered ones, but I it's starting to pick up around here because I I didn't turn off notifications for some reason, and I get quite a few of them. So this summer I'm I'm hoping that you know, because I think last summer was the first summer that they had it. Um so I'm kind of excited to do a little bit of catering. I mean, they're not like hundred-hundred fifty dollar ones that Faith and Bubba Sue get, but they're you know 30-40 bucks for just a little bit of work, so that's not too bad.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you're and your accountant probably said, Yeah, you need a few more, a few more uh companies to uh to add on to your list of tax returns.
SPEAKER_03:Oh gosh, dude. I'm still waiting for the what was baby quip. They said I was close, but I feel like it's been they haven't emailed me in February of like if I'm ready to do it. So um Josh says it's legal issues with catering base apps, it's temp from what I was well I'm sure it is until oh it's legal issues. So it's not about the wage or whatever that is. Because I know Washington State is one of you were right, Larry, is one of them that's trying to change. It said it got confused by delivered a well-known car dealer factory.
SPEAKER_01:So they had a car dealer out there who was named Delivered, and that's why they changed the name.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I mean, I did zero research on what the issue was, I just thought I'd talk about the picture. So um I guess I we go wide, we don't go deep here. I blame Faith because she shared it and and she asked if we didn't talk about it, and then and then Bubba Sue was like, Well, it's the the laws, and I'm like, she's gotta be right because that shit's going on all over the place. So I just ran with it. Sounds good. Sounds good. Stamp it, ship it. Let's go. We're out. Uh, all right. This TikTok video of a it's called a Waymo 2. That is not it. Uh, I've had I've given you my stories about turkeys. This guy is scared of turkeys.
unknown:All right.
SPEAKER_03:The poster says I thought someone was fighting outside. It was just a UPS man fighting for his life from the turkeys.
SPEAKER_01:That's UPS man. He is hollering. And he barely gets back into this truck before these two turkeys are right at his door. I mean, and the door's open. They can come in.
unknown:I'm 40 years old, I can't deal with this.
SPEAKER_03:I'm 40 years old, I can't deal with this, he says. Oh, he's got more. Oh God! I was like one out the other side.
SPEAKER_01:Why did he drive his truck up, dummy? Yeah, I don't know why you didn't do that. Because now he's got to try to they follow him too, man. He he runs down about five, six, eight houses, and they follow him.
SPEAKER_03:Well, the thing they will too. The thing is, if if you do if you deal with them all the time, bring us bring some corn in your pocket and just throw it out. They'll be it's just like a dog tree. I don't think they'll do he's hauling.
SPEAKER_01:He is hauling.
SPEAKER_03:You know what? I I can almost guarantee he's gonna get his trouble in trouble from his supervisor for running on like possibly icy roads and stuff like that.
SPEAKER_01:Where yeah, there was a lot of snow there.
SPEAKER_03:They are very, as I know, um, they are very strict with um safety. I mean, it's uh you know Yeah, they have so many people out there all so many drivers, and they get hurt all the time, and like and you know, he got a driver down because he was a stupid idiot and ran. Like they I remember one thing they always said because we had the I think I don't know if they have phones now. Maybe they still have the diodes, these big clunky things. Like, don't ever punch anything in when you're walking down steps. Like if you're walking in the yard or down the driveway, it's fine to you know walking, but when you're going down steps, look away, and that was just drilled into us when you know to be safe. So uh all right. Well shit, we're right on time. We got a couple left. We'll probably save those for Patreon. So any gig work this weekend, Larry, for you?
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, I'll probably I'll probably go out Saturday morning at least.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. We need to get you out on some nights.
SPEAKER_01:I kind of I Well, while my son's here, I'm I'm not I'm I hang out with him uh at night, but when once he's back, uh then I will get back out on some night.
SPEAKER_03:He's cock blocking your your your ride share work. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:What can I say?
SPEAKER_03:Don't say that out loud, please. I know he can't hear you. Um, yeah, for me, what's up?
SPEAKER_01:He's listening to the show right now.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yes. Sorry. So I uh so what am I doing? Oh, so we got a half day tomorrow, full day off on Friday. Oh, nice. So I I'll probably do some. Oh no, I probably won't do any gig work because I'm getting a tattoo consultation on Friday, and then Avery's got something for dance, so I'll probably not work, but I'll work Saturday and maybe Sunday. But like I kind of enjoyed working at night. I don't know. It was I know we tease me, like, oh, it's dark out, Jason doesn't go out. Well, the biggest issue is my tent, it's so dark at night. I just it's a struggle. I like I have to roll my window down for looking at stuff, and it just gets kind of annoying. So that would drive me crazy. Yeah, it it is annoying, like looking for addresses, and like and if you're taking a curb like turning that you don't quite know, you gotta pop that window down because you can't see through the crosswalk.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. That's not yeah, it's a little dangerous.
SPEAKER_03:I mean, if I'm just driving to like you know, taking a trip or something on the highway or whatever, it's no big deal. But if I'm like trying to multitask it, it gets a little complicated.
SPEAKER_01:So I can imagine.
SPEAKER_03:All right, uh, we will uh be on the Patreon in seven minutes. Go to patreon.com slash the game podcast and you can join and talk to us live. Uh as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. See you on the rooms. All right, peace out. Hey, good night, everybody.
