Why Uber Eats Tips Changed And What Drivers Should Do Next. | Ep 292

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Two drivers swap snow-soaked stories that expose how stacking, distance, and clunky app UX turn hot food cold and good intent into fixes on the fly. We break down Uber Eats’ no-edit tip change, Walmart Spark’s settlement confusion, robots blocking ambulances, and Uber’s parking play with SpotHero.

• triple stack delays and food temperature trade-offs
• message vs notes on DoorDash and misdrop recovery
• Uber Eats removes in-app tip edits and support paths
• split-tipping ideas and fairness for both sides
• Walmart Spark $100m settlement timing and clarity
• tickets, towing risk, and private parking enforcement
• Uber acquiring SpotHero and in-app parking flow
• Waymo blocking emergency vehicles and override needs
• DoorDash bot speed, safety, and multi-order security
• robot wranglers as new frontline jobs
• weekend gig plans and app experiments

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SPEAKER_02 0:50

Hello, hello. Welcome to the Gate Economy Podcast, episode 292. Oh, we got a lot to talk about. Walmart. Oh, again, teasing us with some money. Uh, got Dara saying that they've been using an AI Dara, and it's it's just crazy, all the stuff we got going on tonight. How's it going, Larry? Other than the YouTube crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Yeah, crazy. Uh, you know, I'm I'm going low-tech today using my laptop because came home and uh was having some computer problems, and uh it's just been one of those days, but uh, it's all good now. We get a podcast. Uh, I always end up having a great time when we podcast and feeling energized by the time we're done.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Oh, of course. So, stories from the road, Larry, do you have anything tonight?

SPEAKER_03 1:36

Well, I mean, I did work uh work pretty much all day Saturday, went out for a little while Saturday night as well for a few hours. Uh stayed out till uh I don't know, probably like 11 between 11 and 12. Um, it's good to get out, it's a beautiful day out. A lot of people out. I stayed fairly busy, had had uh had a decent day. Uh didn't have anything really crazy.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

Did have a um one of my passengers I posted the the uh audio in our chat group just because I always think it's funny when people get in and they didn't it's not funny, you just wanted the people to hear how how much of a like local legend you are.

SPEAKER_03 2:10

Well, I mean that's what she said, right? There at the end, yeah. Yeah, it is funny, but uh yeah, it was a good time. Um looking forward to to uh getting back into doing more gig work now for sure.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Uh I had I had a busy Saturday. I ended up working nine hours. I split it up again for some reason. The mornings have been slower, and then I go in the afternoon, evening. So uh pretty good day. In the evening that started snowing and it got busy. Yeah, it got busy. And my I showed that video in the chat, but like my car was just covered when I was, yeah. It was nasty. So uh two things happened. I uh taken a couple of Uber Eats orders, and then they added a third, and I'm trying to remember, you know, it's it's I was ranting about it, but it was Saturday night, it's now Wednesday. Uh, but I do know that um let's see, how did that happen? Uh okay, so I got a double and I go to drop off the first one, and they add another one to it, and it was a cold stone creamery. So both of them were going to the city that I was going for with the pizza in Hudsonville. So they added a cold stone. So I go there, of course, it's not ready. And the guy's messaging from the pizza, and he is hot. He is like, My pizza's gonna be cold, and I'm like, hey man, I'm sorry. I uh Yeah, we don't control that part. We I don't, you know, and I I told him, I said, you know, make sure you choose priority next time. Like, I was very like empathetic with what was happening, yeah. And I know you guys all were on my side, but I actually felt really bad because I want to deliver a good product, but I also here to make money. And so, yeah, so it made me so it made me go to the cold stone. I pick that up, and then I go deliver his pizza, and it had been 35-40 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Oh yeah, and yeah, nobody's gonna be happy, you you know, and and it's it hurts, you know, it hurts uh whoever Uber Eats. Is that what you're doing? Yeah, Uber Eats. You know, it hurts their reputation. People get pissed about that, but it hurts you too because people are you know, people are like tend to tend to take away the tip, you know. Yeah, uh which they can't do anymore, but that's a later story.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

Yeah, well, he didn't uh he didn't take it the tip away. So I was I was happy about that. Um, you know, no one really took the tip away. I don't know. I maybe it's because I was compassionate about it and like I'm sorry, there there's it's out of my control, you know. Um, but yeah, it is on Uber. It's just like why would you have me pick up the pizza? I'm trying to think what the third one was. It was doesn't matter. The pizza was first, and then it was like uh fucking Chipotle or something or a panda, and then as I'm going to deliver the panda, Coldstone came up, grabbed that, but again, they weren't ready and they were busy, so I waited probably 10-15 minutes there.

SPEAKER_03 5:09

Oh man, yeah, and that guy's just over there human the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yeah, his pizza's just just yeah, so I felt real bad, but hopefully, uh I don't know. I took he well, he he says he's got Uber one or whatever that shit is priority one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

No, not priority, not priority, Uber one.

SPEAKER_02 5:28

Yeah, you can't you have to actually pay on top, so he pays ten bucks a month. Um, obviously he gets some discounts and and some I don't know, whatever, but he's like, I'm just this is crap. I pay for this. And I'm like, well, you don't pay for priority, right? You pay for you know getting reduced fees and stuff. So and you're in fuck, you know, I know that doesn't mean a lot to you or maybe people not in the area, but you live in Hudsonville, it's at the fucking sticks, and you're ordering from uh pizza place. Yeah, well, and he's ordering from Grandville by the mall. And I'm like, even even if I went right there and got it's still gonna be a uh a decent amount of time, still gonna be a decent and it was snowy and the roads were shitty, yeah. That's you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03 6:09

Yeah, that's that's just gonna make you know even even slower, right? Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

I mean, maybe you're in Hudsonville, you have there's a pizza place called Vitalis that's really close to him and maybe he eats it all the time. He was a big boy, so uh he's got the Uber one, I bet he uses a lot, but I'm like, why why order in Granville? Like you're an idiot.

SPEAKER_03 6:28

So yeah, anyways, yeah, especially when it's snowing, you know. Why why are you wanting to make somebody else go that far when the roads aren't good, you know, weather's crappy.

SPEAKER_02 6:37

I mean, I'll obviously do it for the money, but you gotta expect the food's gonna be cold. And we've always said too, you're almost always the food's gonna be cold, right? Like, even if it was just one order. Yeah. I mean, it might be lukewarm, but you're not gonna eat it lukewarm anyways. You're gonna throw it in the microwave, or you're gonna, you know, unless it's like two miles from yeah, the restaurant's two miles from you, like you're gonna have cold food.

SPEAKER_03 7:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:05

I mean, I live a mile from Panda and Chipotle. If I ever ordered it when I did, it was hot, but it's a mile away.

SPEAKER_03 7:13

Yeah, that's a huge difference if it's a mile away.

SPEAKER_02 7:15

Yeah, that does make a difference. The Uccellos in him was probably like eight miles, yeah, and and snow. So yeah, fucking uh and then DoorDash, uh, you know, I'm gonna prove that I actually do have a heart. So I was delivering some DoorDash, and uh the lady sent me a message, but not it wasn't in the notes. And and you know, the roads are bad. I was busy then. I I was just flipping them, flipping them, and Hudsonville was busy. I I I keep forgetting I need to go out there on the weekends between six and eight. I went to the same Mexican restaurant four times. Um, but she sent me a message hey, we are the uh deliver it to the handicap ramp. It's kind of in a trailer park. Uh not not really, I mean it is a park, but it's really nice.

SPEAKER_04 8:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:02

Um, and we have a blue van. And I was like, got it. So of course I'm doing other things. The address puts it, which I find out later, right next to that. But I'm like, why is the address wrong? Like, I I'm very confused, unless it was she was ordering it for that place, but used her own address. So I dropped it off there. I'm driving to my next delivery. Phone call, phone call, phone call. And I won't pick it up. Yeah, not when I'm driving. And and I I'm like, well, it's probably a scam. Like, some something's going on. It's a scam. Right. And finally, when I delivered the second order, I picked it up and it was her, and I was like, hey, I'm I'm like, I'm sorry, I delivered to the address. And she's like, Yeah, but I I sent you a note. I was like, I know, I apologize. It wasn't in the official notes. You just sent me a message and I forgot. Right. And she was like, Okay, I'll figure it out. So she wasn't super mad, but I felt guilty, so I drove all well, it was on my way home.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

Let's yeah, listen to this bleeding heart.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me let's re-if it was the other way, I probably wouldn't have, but it was on my way home. I went back in the park, sure as shit, that fucking food was at that address. I drove it over, which I didn't realize it was the one next door. I I could have walked it over, and maybe they were handicapped, maybe that's why they couldn't get it. I walked it up the ramp, knocked on the door, and by the time I left, the food was already inside. Now that food was cold. That sat outside for like 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Yeah, yeah, that's gonna have to be warmed up a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

And I felt bad too because I I it was Burger King and I got there quick. I mean, this shit was crispy hot, and I'm like, oh, they're gonna love this. Yeah, and then I fuck, you know. I mean, I don't technically I delivered it to the right place.

SPEAKER_03 9:43

Yeah, you did, yeah, yeah. You know, and people have to understand that that stuff happens. I mean, it's sometime some of those apps, like when people leave a message or note, it's not just all you know, it's it's not easy to see sometimes, or something, especially when you're you're delivering you got other deliveries to do. Yes, you know, you're you don't you're not just sitting there staring at your app and searching through for messages.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Yeah, and I and honestly, let's be frank, I don't do a lot of DoorDash, and I did that night. I think I did like$90 worth. I I'm not I I will say it, I'm not super fluid with that app because I don't use it all the time.

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Yeah, and it's not one of those, it's not as intuitive as some you know as it could be.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

She was she, you know, surprisingly, she kind of didn't blame it on herself, but it was like, it's fine, I'll figure it out. Like, I'm not there, so I can't do it. But yeah, I think if it would have been the only order I had, I probably would have remembered it. But like in my head, I still had another one to go, so like I'm processing, you know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 10:47

Yeah, you're thinking about a lot of stuff. Yeah, for sure. Look, Jason, delivering cold food all over all over West Michigan.

SPEAKER_02 10:55

You want cold food, just order Uber Eats and let me get a triple.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

There you go. We got your man right here. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 11:02

But I did actually, honestly, I did feel good that I moved it. I mean, they I'm sure they ate it.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they did.

SPEAKER_02 11:11

But I, you know, I just I kind of felt bad. I'm just like, God damn it, Jason. You're fucking ADHD.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

You're like how hard if it if it was the cold stone that you left out for 20 minutes, that would have been fine.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Yeah, no kidding. And then and then so then the so okay, so then I did his, I did oh, okay, this was the Uber one. This wasn't the Doordash one, but I did his, and then I had to drive the other end of Hudsonville, the cold salt. I'm sure that shit was melty. Oh, I forgot that. And I I pull up to deliver it. Some guy pulls behind me. I'm like, all right, what the fuck? Like, I thought it maybe it was a homeowner. Oh no, he was delivering Jimmy Johns and Uber Eats. Apparently, they were having a party, and him and I are just like cackling that we're delivering. I was like, You what you got? And he's like, Jimmy, or not Jimmy Johns, uh, Papa John's. I was like, Well, I got cold stone. He's like, How did that travel? I go, not great.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Yeah, not I don't understand people who order ice cream from a delivery app, man.

SPEAKER_02 12:04

Yeah, and we both we both took their our pictures at the same time, and then we just bolted. He's like, All right, man, drive safe. I was like, Yeah, peace out. Caraderie there, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 12:16

That's funny.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Before we jump to Gig Economy News, I want to thank our Patreon members, Samson, Bud, Omar, Frank, Tom, Jim, Miguel, Linda, Jerry, Faith, Metal, Kickass, and Anna. If you want to join the uh pot uh the Patreon, we would love to have you. Seven-day free trial, three bucks a month. Go to patreon.com slash the gig econ podcast. Okay, Walmart, here we go. Yeah, so there's been a lot of confusion uh with this. Uh, I re I did a TikTok on it today. Uh, re got an email and you know, um says Walmart to pay$100 million to sell FTC allegations over deceptive practices for delivery drivers. And so we got this email uh from Spark and talking about well, this happened and we paid you out in like for me it was August and didn't say we weren't gonna get any more money, but it did say we've already paid you out. And I guess what happened was and and you know, no research on this show, but I guess what happened was is apparently there's a certain date that they have to release this to the public, yeah, and they that's what they did, so it wasn't a new case, as far as I know. This is the same one, this isn't a new lawsuit, but that was the date they were required by law to release it to the public. But in the last year, they were um already just getting ahead of it, you know what I mean? They were just trying to do the right thing, right? Um, as far as I know. I mean, if it like I said in my TikTok, if if you know anything else that uh is different from what I'm saying, I would love to know. Sure. But I don't think it's another lawsuit, and I I'm I don't know if we're even gonna get any more money. So I know you you're on Spark, aren't you?

SPEAKER_03 14:06

I haven't done Spark and man, it's been it's been a while. So I am still on there. Yeah, I log in every now and then.

SPEAKER_02 14:13

Yeah, it's probably good to do that because I know when Spark initially came when I went back when I think I was still doing lawn care. When I went back, they deactivated me. Well, they put it was like a soft deactivation.

SPEAKER_03 14:25

Right, you're kind of on hold.

SPEAKER_02 14:27

Yeah, they didn't kick me like to go on the waiting list, but I mean maybe they would now, but yeah, I just had to like say, hey, I'm back active because it was like layoff time and and it was no problem. So yeah, it's see Bubba Sue says it's a new lawsuit, only 11 states. I don't know about that. I I I I need the proof to to to see that. Uh and I not that I don't believe you, but like you can say, you know, the sky is green in here too, and it's not that I don't trust you, but I haven't seen anything again. I haven't like dug deep into it. But again, I'm going off what the the the email said, right? Unless they're just emailing people that had already gotten paid or whatever, I don't know. It just seems it seems a little whackadoo. I mean, I'll I'll take more money. I mean, I'm probably owed it anyways, but yeah, I don't know. I I as far as I from what I saw on some of the creators that they said that they were have required to post it publicly, and that's what it was. So I'm going with that until I see some links. No offense, Babasue.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

So yeah, if if we find out anything new, we'll we'll revisit the story again. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 15:40

Because I I mean if if I am gonna get more money, I want to know. Yeah, I wish Walmart would have said, you know, this is what's happening, or this is this, and then this is more of it, because I also saw that they've already paid this like 70 million out of the hundred already out. So they're yeah, so maybe the last 30. I don't know. Yeah, if you have something, send it to me. I'm not gonna spend too much time on it. Also, I don't want to put out completely bullshit news, but right, right.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

Yeah, if we if we if we find out we're wrong, we we try to rectify that.

SPEAKER_02 16:11

Well, and the gist of my TikTok was I don't know what the fuck's going on either. This is my best guess. If you know more, let me know. So there you go. Uh all right, Larry. I I love it. The Uber Eats introduces cheeky update, like yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

So this is why the the uh guy didn't take away your tip. It's because Uber Eats has made it where they can't take away the tip. Really? Yes. So it says, uh, you know, they talk about tip baiting in the story. You know, it's a deceptive practice where customers on food or grocery delivery apps offer a large tip up front to ensure fast service, only to reduce the tip after the order is delivered. It's become a common practice. Uh and um it says popular delivery app Uber Eats has updated its tipping feature to remove the ability to edit a tip after the initial selection. So yeah, it says um you can uh supposedly contact Uber Eats through you know chat or contact support or something like that if you want to change it, but you can't change it in the app. So it's a few more steps to do it.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

So is this is this after you send it out like you can't change it?

SPEAKER_03 17:19

It says they can't after the initial actually after they put in the tip the very first time it says so after the initial selection.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

So once they put in the tip and make the order, so after they hit confirm like pay to like send it out, they can't change it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

That's what it's that's what it's doing.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yes, hey Katie on TikTok. Uh yeah, huh?

SPEAKER_03 17:42

And you know, it depends. You know, people are for and against it. Of course, it depends on which side of the the uh transaction you're on. All drivers for all drivers love it, it's great. And then other people are like, you know, this is ridiculous, you know. I'm no matter how bad the service is, I can't change it. You know, somebody said just the other day had a driver that just chucked my food in a random spot instead of bringing it to my door. And you know, I well, he said he contacted a customer service and they wouldn't eliminate the tip, even though it even though I thought uh I'd read you you could contact them. And then um yeah, so it just says that you know, unfortunately, too many customers took advantage of the of the situation by tip baiting, and you know how it is, you run it for everybody. You know, just imagine if you're a delivery driver, you wait, you know, 20 or 30 minutes at a restaurant, and then you drive 10 miles, you're expecting to make 20 bucks, then you you know you deliver it perfectly, and the customer takes away the tip, and you know, you don't make you make like two dollars.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

No, I know recently they had sent out a message maybe just less than a month ago about having a guarantee for you, like a tip protection to a certain amount, but I didn't know they were getting rid of it. Uh, I don't know if I'm a fan for it for the for the customer. I mean I've always said it's a bid for service, but I feel like if you're gonna tip six dollars, hey Mary on TikTok. Nice to see you. If you're gonna tip six dollars, I would like to do three up front and three on the back end. Can you add a tip in the app after?

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Uh it doesn't say anything about that. It says it says uh they remove the ability to edit a tip after the initial selection. So I don't know. I thought I saw something about that in this story here. Uh yeah, no, they don't say anything about it in in this story.

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Yeah, because honestly, like I don't think that's fair for the customer. And again, I'm not taking the customer's side, but like if I had ordered it and the guy threw it upside down against the like, and I'm a decent tipper when it comes up shit. I don't remember the last time we ordered food delivery, but right, but I mean I you know, when I did, I I mean I would be fucking irate.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

Yeah, well, here it does say in the story here, I found it says a representative from Uber Eats uh stated that after an order is completed, customers can reduce or remove their tip by reaching out to the app's support team. Okay. I mean Uber Uber Eats says that you can you can reduce it or remove it. It doesn't say anything about if you want to increase it afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Yeah, because we've all had it like, oh, the customer I mean, I probably had it this weekend. The customer added more, you earned more. It said sweet or says on it or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

Yeah, yeah. It didn't, yeah. If you do, you know, they can do a great job and everything that they wanted. Uh yeah, so that'd be interesting to to know if you can if if you can increase it afterwards.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

Yeah, because like I said, I still I still agree it's a bid for service, but you know, bid enough to to get the order picked up, and then if they do a good job, then go and add the the other three bucks or whatever it is. So exactly.

SPEAKER_04 21:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

That that's the only fair way to do it. Because yeah, I mean, as a driver, I love it. I mean, I'm not gonna throw the food upside down, but I love it that I don't have to worry about it if what the what it says is what you get. Yes. But again, as a customer, I'd be fucking pissed.

SPEAKER_03 22:01

Well, what is yeah, if I had a customer, you know, if I was a customer, I ordered food. I like said, you know, we don't ever order food. I've count on one hand the number of times I've used one of these food delivery services. But yeah, if I ordered it and and put a good tip on there, you know, because I want to get my food warm, you know, and uh and then you know they're the the people are late and the order's wrong and they you know they stow it in the yard or you know spill the code, whatever, you know, but that it's just not good service, yeah. You're just you're stuck at that point. Unless you want to go through all the steps of the content, you know, going through their support. I mean I don't know how that usually works out.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

Right. So Faye says if you want to give your driver more hand of cash, I don't have cash. Like I might have two bucks somewhere. I'm just not a cash heavy person. I just don't carry a lot of cash. And I know some people do, you know, like the boomers.

SPEAKER_03 22:54

But um that was cut on you and and uh I I don't I don't yeah, I mean I usually have I usually catch some cash on me and then I do I do keep some uh on hand. I don't.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

I don't keep it. I have a few bucks in the house somewhere, and maybe my kids have something, but on a regular basis, I don't. It shouldn't, it's 2026 though, Faith. We should be able to do that on the app, no problem. Like it should always be. It should, it should basically be the setting should be if you would like to uh Mary says on TikTok, I'm a boomer and I don't keep cash. If if you want to if you want to increase the tip, you're welcome to do it. If you want to reduce it for bad service or whatever contact support, um, which is a nightmare because let me tell you, last time I ordered, I I I know I told this, but I ordered um I think B dubs. Megan and I were somewhere, I think we're in Orlando, and I fucked up. Immediately sent it, I was like, oh shit, nope, cancel, cancel, cancel, cancel, cancel. And uh they were like, nope, it's already been sent to the store and they're making the food. I go, bullshit. I just canceled it. So we fought. I mean, I made it my personal goal for two hours after the right food, because I had I think I grabbed Meg's phone and I ordered the right the food so I could fight with them on the app. Right. And I think it took two hours and they finally refunded me the entire amount. So you can add tip after delivery on Uber Eats and Dirt. Well, we're talking Uber Eats, and I don't know if you were didn't hear the the article, but looks like that might be changing. But honestly, we should as as podcast hosts, we should be using these apps once a month just to kind of get a feel. Like, I don't know. Like if we made a ton of money, I could expense it, but we don't.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

So so you're gonna back me up when I tell my wife, like, babe, I I I don't want to order this food, right? I don't want to order this these wings.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Give her my give her my number.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

But Jason said we had to on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

I mean, seriously, it makes sense. I I agree a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

It really is just like we talk about, you know, hey, it's good to you know take an Uber ride or a Lyft ride every now and then just to see, you know, see how the process is on the other side of it. Same thing with delivery apps, you know. It's just it's a it's just good to know, you know, be able to talk kind of intelligently about it because you've done it.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Yeah, I think almost you need a checklist when you do it. Like, so I was thinking because the last shopper. Well, just because you know, you were gonna uh want to do things like um try to change the tip. Uh and when I was the last I did a couple rides during the day, and this guy remember I got burned on that one where I took that lady and I forgot about the upfront pricing. And so when this guy told me, Oh, I I need to add a stop, I was like, Okay, well, I you gotta do it on the app because I don't get paid for it. Ended up being like a fucking stone's throwaway, so it wouldn't have mattered anyways. But um, I was like, I'm sorry, I don't know how to do it. He asked me, Well, come to he's struggling. Come to find out he's on fucking lift trying to do it. I was like, and then he I think he requested a ride. This is an older guy, yeah. And then he finally figured it out. But my point is, is like even if he handed me the phone, I probably could figure it out if I like tapped around enough.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

Yeah, but but yeah, because because they changed the apps, yes, it seems like so much, and yeah, it might be you know, I might order a couple rides a year, and there there could be six, eight, you know, ten months between between the time that I've you know ordered a ride. So being able to do it, and that's I've told people that a lot. They'll ask how to do something. I'm like, you know, they change the app so much, I don't know how they're doing it nowadays.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

You know, well, and another point is I don't really want to touch your phone. I mean, the phones, our phones have got to be the dirtiest thing around us all the time, you know. Yes, um, I always feel bad, and I'm surprised people do it, but like I have been having well, so with Amazon, I don't have people sign because they're never there. But when I'm delivering alcohol for Walmart, I have them time. I flip my phone right over and everyone's done it. I was like, that's nasty. Faith says I live in a cash heavy tip heavy city.

SPEAKER_03 27:15

Yeah, that's true. That is very true.

SPEAKER_02 27:17

That is true. So and she also said bite me. Yes, she did. Um well, I think once a month. Well, maybe like you do DoorDash, I do Uber Eats, and then we flip, and then I don't know. Or maybe when if if we go on our trip, I don't know, it got quiet in there after I shared all the Airbnb. Everyone went dark, so I don't even know what the fuck's going on. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:40

Is there anything we're trying to decide? Because yeah, I I know I I know I uh kind of daddy.

SPEAKER_02 27:45

Well, you've been busy with other things.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Yeah, I was at at the hospital and stuff, but uh yeah, if we if um yeah, we should come up with like kind of a like a checklist, like you said. Okay, I want to check this. I'm gonna want to make sure I want to try to edit the tip afterwards. I want to you know see if I can add on after the delivery.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Really, what's kind of cool when you're doing it on your phone, you can start screen recording and it can record all yeah the whole interaction and then you might get something good out of it, you might not, but at least you have a record of it because you had to go back and reference if you can just try to remember. Like, we can't what did you do the other day? I was like, I can't remember shit.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

Like, what I eat for breakfast, man.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

I know, but it was something we were telegramming back and forth, and he's like, I can't remember shit. I don't know. So I don't know. All right, uh, so this is from delivery dude what's his name? Delivery dude Dave. So Dave's a good guy. Yeah, I really like him. It's a longer video, I probably won't play the whole thing, but it's interesting, it's about how to raise your acceptance rate, which it's it's probably fixed by now, but it is interesting. So we'll play that some of it right here.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Hey Dashers, ever wonder how to raise your acceptance rate without taking the shitty offers DoorDash constantly sends? Well, you're in luck, and this is the video for you. Be sure you follow me for more gig work tips and tricks. First, you're gonna start your dash like normal. Here you can see that I am at 38% acceptance rate. Now you're gonna force close the app and all we do is wait. And there is our first notification from the app. It even tells us where the offer is coming from. So if it's a store that usually gets good offers, you can always open the app and check it out. Next step is waiting for the text message to generate, which will also show us where the order is coming from. And there it is. So now we just have to wait for the second round of notifications. And and here is the second notification letting us know from the app that the dash has been paused, and there is the second text message that informed us that we have not confirmed in time and our dash is now paused. We are done with the notifications. We are on to the final step. Pretty simple now. We just go back into the app, we open it up, and we will resume our dash. Then you will be pleasantly surprised to see that your acceptance rate has gone up one point. Ta-da! 39% without taking that shitty dollar general stacked offer. Let's do it again. Rinse and repeat. You force close, there's that same fucking offer. There's the dasher notification from the app. We're gonna get a notification and text message. We will receive a second round of notifications from the app and another text message. We will go back into the app after and resume our dash. We got another one. There's the second round of notifications that we were waiting for. We're just gonna go back into our app, resume our dash, and boom, 40%.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

So he goes over it again, it does it again. Babasou says the glitch still works, so literally, I don't know how it would go up. Like it doesn't even make any sense, especially it's clearly a glitch, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Clearly, yeah, programming.

SPEAKER_02 31:05

Because if you're not accepting it, I mean you didn't if anything, it should just stay the same. Yeah, because you're not, I guess you're not declining it per se, but you kind of are by not taking it, right? Right. So she says it still works. So if you're bored and want to try it, I don't know. I didn't try it myself. Yeah, schedule it and dash and I should tonight when I'll just get off when we get off the stream. Maybe we'll do do it during the Patreon. There you go. Yeah, that'd be that'd be funny to try. You know, I was listening to the last episode. We said we were gonna do something the Patreon, we never did.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

I was like, we can't even make it 10 minutes to the next show and remember stuff.

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Nah, that's bad. Oh, we gotta start taking notes, man. We gotta start taking notes. We do. Oh my god. We need a we need an administrative assistant or something.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Right. God dang it. All right. Uh moving on. You you know, you've I've never gotten a ticket during ride. I've it's been a hot second second. I think the last ticket I got was because of an accident I caused.

SPEAKER_03 32:06

Oh man, yeah. Last ticket I got was well, it's been over 30 years.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Oh my gosh. I think I think mine was like twenty god no, I was still at the other house. So it would have been like 2005. I basically was turning the sun got in my eyes, I was cutting a corner close, didn't even see this truck, and just smashed into them. Oh yeah. So I that was like a year before we moved, and we moved to this house in 2000. Oh no, wait. Oh no, it wasn't. It was 2013. We got married in 2006. So yeah, it's it's not it's it's been a little not too far away since I got a ticket. But anyways, doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Oh well, Faith said that she heard they fixed that like a year ago. So we'll try it.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

I mean, Dave just posted that like yeah, I saw that same one.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

I saw that same, and I was gonna uh submit it you know for one of our stories, and I saw you'd already submitted it.

SPEAKER_02 33:04

Yeah. So uh I mean maybe it's back again. Who knows? It's uh we'll try it. Yeah, we'll try it on the Patreon. Okay, someone hold us accountable. All right, uh, so this is a uh a ticket.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

Yeah, so this was uh uh what was it? Uh Amazon driver, yes. Um, who was delivering a package and he ended up getting a ticket by these, I don't know, some kind of hoa security guards is what it sounds like. They give him a ticket says for no registration for what else for uh speeding.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Well, no, they they they didn't even get them for speeding, they got them for other traffic violation, no valid insurance.

SPEAKER_03 33:44

No valid insurance.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

So, first of all, why the fuck are you pulling up yeah and talking to these people? I would deliver it and like okay, call the cops.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

Yeah, we'll do what you gotta do. Uh uh, yeah, that that's crazy. Yeah, the comments, yeah. They're uh everybody in the comments was like, dude, there's no way paying this ticket, you know.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Well, the weird part it says, oh, so it says no registration because it was Amazon. So I I'm curious if it was like a flex worker or if it was right.

SPEAKER_03 34:14

Uh yeah, probably a flex worker.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

But it said no registration. I don't know. Yeah, who the I would oh, I wouldn't even stop.

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SPEAKER_03 34:23

No, yeah. As soon as he started talking about something about taking it, I'm like, dude, I'm out of here. Yeah, yeah. It's funny because I when I was uh I this is like four years ago, I was doing uh Uber one night and uh pulled into these apartments and I picked up gazillions of college kids from these apartments and uh I'm sitting here, I pull in, I didn't pull an apartment throughout because I knew where this person was coming out of, so I just kind of pulled uh pulled off the main area and uh uh this dude gets out of this tow truck, man, stomps over there. He's like, dude, you got 30 seconds to get out of here. I'm writing you a ticket. I'm like, Since when can tow truck drivers write tickets?

SPEAKER_02 35:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

He's like, I'll do it. I was like, well, you know, do what you gotta do, man. You know, yeah. I was like, I'm picking this guy up. I'm not I'm not gonna get anybody's way. I'm not causing a problem, I'm not parked illegally. Guys gonna get in. You don't know, you don't have authority to write me a ticket.

SPEAKER_02 35:50

Yeah, I don't I don't understand understand that. Also, there's um, I don't know if they have this by you, but it's called Air Park. Do you have that in like lots that aren't like it's like a it's for a parking lot and it's like a parking app, so they they want you to pay, right? So it's like the owner of this lot has decided they're gonna use AirPark. They don't mean shit. I've gotten fucking 10 tickets for them. I just throw them away because they're not they don't work with the city, they're not, it's just like it's just that company. Well, it's that company, and the thing is if you're not gonna put up like walls to prevent cars and gates to prevent cars from leaving, like obviously everyone would pay if there was a gate there because everyone has some ethics and they're not gonna bust through a a wooden gate. I mean, some drunk asshole will, but if you're not gonna do that, I'm gonna park and drive out of it, and I don't give a shit if you give me a ticket or not.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Yeah, see, they don't mess around with tickets here, and this has been a huge thing in the our city commission meetings here over the last few months because it's actually a former city commissioner here. Uh, after he left office, he started this tow you know, towing company. Uh, it's called Fountain Square Towing Company. And and we used to there used to not be any paid parking. You could pretty well park anywhere downtown, but over the last you know, five, ten years, downtown's really grown up. We got the ballpark down there for the minor league team. We got we've got a performing arts center and stuff down there. So people are starting to charge for parking.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:18

And man, they will they they will tow you or boot you in a second.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

Oh, they're booting you?

SPEAKER_03 37:24

Yeah, they will mostly they'll tow you though.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

I feel like booting's easier to make money, right? Because towing it takes time to hook it up and you gotta bring it up.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Not much time, you know. Some of those trucks, man, they can hook you up pretty quick.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Yeah, but you got to bring it to the tow yard. At least with the boot, you just slap it on, give me a car.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

Yeah, but then then they have to pay additional money, you know, at the tow yard.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 37:43

And uh, so yeah, so the the like this is a constant thing on on the bowling green Facebook, man. People people were all the time talking about uh fountain square toming and and raising hell and other course, there's always other people like, well, you know, it's easy to prevent, just don't park where you're not supposed to. Well, yeah, there's signs there that say it's paid parking, you know, but don't do that. But uh but the city um just passed uh a um a resolution last night that had the second reading, so I guess it's official, but capping the amount he can charge. Oh, thank god. And like he was charging like a$25 if you're picking up your car after hours and then you know a fee for I don't know, a couple different fees that they capped that and you know he's fighting them on that. He's filed a lawsuit against them, you know, that said they don't have the right to do that.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

The fuck they don't if you're taking advantage of somebody, if you're gouging them for you know, like you know, I mean I I I applaud him for like starting the business because he's like shit, like I can make money, but don't fucking rip people off, like be reasonable about it.

SPEAKER_03 38:51

Yeah, and he's I mean he's he's he's a character anyway. No, he he like I said he was a city commissioner for a while and uh did some good things. He he helped he was very uh instrumental in getting the skate our only skate park built here. And you know, of course the kids and stuff love that the skateboarders and stuff like that. But uh but then he got arrested for DUI time or two.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Oh that'll fuck you up.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

Yeah, and that's funny because like when he when he was a city commissioner, he had like really short hair, and now he's owns his tow truck company, and he's I saw a picture of him at the commission meeting last night. Man, his hair got his hair all grown out, you know. He was he was playing some recording, he's like, This is the customers you're protecting. It was somebody who called his voicemail and just was cussing the shit out of him, and he played it there at the city commission meeting.

SPEAKER_02 39:38

Well, I I you know what follow the rules. Like, if you know, and and I was worried about that air park one, but then I did, of course, I go to Reddit, like everything, and they're like, Yeah, it's all bullshit. I was like, cool. So I just threw it away. I've never never I mean, if it's it's if it's not affiliated with the city of Grand Rapids, I don't worry about it. So yeah, put a barrier up if you don't want me to get, you know, make me pay before I get in or out. I'm I'm happy to pay, but fuck, if you're gonna have a lot there and I can just park there, screw you.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

Yeah, yeah. It's funny how different different places, like I said, I they don't uh I don't know that they write any. I don't think they write any tickets here for you being in a in a lot where you're supposed to pay. But the companies, whoever owns that lot, that business, they pay you know, tow companies to patrol.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Oh, I see. So that that's your that's your risk is not you you don't have an app that you don't have to pay, but you could get popped for well there is an app for you to pay. Oh, but yeah, I see. But people don't.

SPEAKER_03 40:37

And and if they don't, then then these towed. These tow companies, yeah. They'll pay these tow companies. And man, but they uh well I'm out Uber, man. I I see them all the time. There's patrolling, man. They're looking, they're looking like I I pulled into a lot one and I had another tow truck driver tell me I was just sitting in my car. There's way there's one certain parking lot that sometimes I'd sit close to a couple bars and stuff, and and uh tow truck driver pulled up beside me. He's like, he's like, All right, man, you can sit there for a few minutes, but don't get out of the car, man. I'll have to tow you. I'll have to I have to tow you. I'm like, don't worry, man. I'm not getting out of the car. I'm sitting right here. Yeah, what a life. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:12

Uh all right, uh Uber is acquiring a speaking of parking, a parking app called Spot Hero.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Yeah, I've used them lots of times. Oh, have you? Oh, yeah, yeah, lots of times.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

So uh yeah, I mean, Larry knows more. I mean, he's used the app. It's acquiring Spot Hero Company that provides parking reservation app for crowded downtown, sporting events and concerts. Obviously, uh, not obviously terms were disclosed, but Uber said Monday that it plans to offer parking rever reservation experience but powered by Spot Hero within its own app, which is fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Like, yeah, trying, like I said, just trying to get you stay in their ecosystem.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

Yeah, for the moments when people choose to drive Spot Hero on the Uber app will make the experience easier than ever, bringing more people into the Uber ecosystem. Um, Dara said. So, and then it just kind of goes on to what they've done. But it is interesting that Uber's market cap sits at 146 billion while Lyft is valued over 5 billion. With food delivery, Uber faces stout competition from companies, including DoorDash, which has a market cap of over 71 billion. So that's saying something like Uber's everything is 146 and DoorDash's just food and shopping is 71.

SPEAKER_03 42:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

So it's see they allow uh Spot Hero last announced outside funding in 2019 when it raised 50 million. And yeah, I mean it's it's probably good. So tell me about that app. I'm curious what it does as far as like does it bring you to like random parking lots that yeah, so like um like at times I know I've uh been going to like um I went to Chicago.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Well, me and my daughter went to Chicago, and um beforehand we knew we were gonna be going to this uh you know certain park uh on a certain day, and instead of trying to just drive around and find it, you can go on the web and look for parking spots. Or if you already have their app, you can just go on their app and put in the address and it'll show you all the parking lots around there and how much they cost, and you can re go ahead and reserve your parking for that for that lot on the app for that day and that time. Oh, that's very cool. Yeah, yeah, it's it's nice. Nashville has it. I'm uh sure like I said, I know Chicago has it. I'm I've used it, I think, down in uh Atlanta.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

And that was the app, the Spot Hero, that's the one you use. Yeah, there's a few more.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

So I've used I've used like three or four of them, but Spot Hero I I've used, I know several times.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

So I'm hoping these companies, you know, if you have a lot, are you on all the apps? Because then it, I mean, it's probably all through the app, and it doesn't really they probably don't care what app it is, right? Because they're getting you know, because otherwise you're like, well, as a customer, okay, I'm gonna use Spot Hero, but oh, this lot isn't on there, why is it not there? Oh, they used you know fuck you do or something, whatever parking app. And so I wonder if that if you own that lot, you you know, you probably put on everything. Uh yeah, you probably put on everything. It makes sense for them to do it, so sure.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Yeah, or not. Well, that's cool. Yeah, yeah, it's it was I mean, it's I'm trying to remember the one I just used um when I was in St. Louis last week. Uh it was it wasn't spot here, it was a different one, but like there where my son lives that around his apartment there, it's you know on street parking, and you have to during the daytime on or on weekdays, you have to pay. And so I was there uh I was on Tuesday before I took him to his doctor appointment and uh had to you know had to use an app to pay, but it was it was something a little different.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Uh yeah, I'll have to try it when the amphitheater opens up because it's gonna be uh I mean it's I just can imagine we have the arena and then the amphitheater if they both have events on the same night, it's adding 12,000 people to downtown. Yeah, yeah, no parking either. I mean they build a small ramp, but that's you know, that's probably gonna be filled up in like 10 seconds. But yeah, I'll have to download that app and see if it can help out a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

So yeah, yeah, I recommend it. It it worked pretty well when I used it.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

All right, so we all are sports nuts. Uh not so much me as far as this sport of basketball, although I have to say I've watched the high school boys play a couple times this year, and it's I get into it. My my kids laugh at me because I don't ever watch basketball, and like yeah, and they're I'm like, yeah, like this, you know, it was a good game, right? It wasn't a blow-up.

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Yeah, yeah. In in college and in high school, it was totally different than NBA.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Right. So, but this guy, uh, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03 45:31

He they he may need to hit the gym, but yeah, it's an Amazon driver who's out uh out, you know, doing his thing and uh uh plays a little hoop while he's out.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Yeah, we spoiled it. Makes it.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

I am a delivery driver.

SPEAKER_02 45:52

It's way downtown, dude.

SPEAKER_03 45:53

It is way downtown, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Yeah, it's way down. He's on the edge of like you can see him in the in the gravel there. That was fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_03 46:10

He's off the pad there.

SPEAKER_02 46:11

You know, I I guarantee that uh those kids or everyone out there never forget that. They'll talk about it at a you go, remember that when that driver nailed that like three-pointer?

SPEAKER_03 46:21

Oh yeah, if they ever see him driving, man, I guarantee they're like hollering at him or bitch bumping him, you know, something.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Yeah, that's amazing. I do you ever see I don't I don't know who does it, but there's these guys that run around with a basketball hoop and it I think it's overseas, but they'll like they'll throw the ball to somebody and if the and then to see if they'll grab it and shoot it. So it's like one of those on wheels. So they're in like a c like a square, like a city square, and it's very busy. And so it's super funny how many people will like just let the ball hit them and just keep on walking, like they're like Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:55

It's so funny how people will do stuff like that. I've seen the ones they're not not with basketball, but there's a guy, and he's got it's got like a ball with like like money taped all over it, and he throws it up and he's like, keep it if you catch it, and people just like you jerk away from it. He's like, dude, that was five thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Yes. I've seen that same guy. I mean, I get that a little bit because it's like, okay, I see a basketball, I know okay, it's a basketball. When you're throwing a random ball, like what does it got on it?

SPEAKER_03 47:20

Like, yeah, you don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 47:21

But basketball, I would be, I mean, I suck at it, but I take my shot, and then they rate them from like one to ten. And so it's like usually like 10 or 12 people trying, and of course, the last person ends up making it, and they give them like a big prize or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 47:35

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:36

Gee, why not take your shot? Right. All right, moving on. Waybo in the news. I don't know what Faith just posted, but it's gibberish. All right, so we're not gonna watch the whole thing, but of course, uh oh, just tried it. Okay. Did it work?

SPEAKER_01 47:53

Well, did you screen record when you did it? We're waiting patiently for you to die.

SPEAKER_02 48:15

No, shut up. It did not. She says, my my so she goes, my AR went down 1%. I lost my platinum. Oh my God. Well, we're gonna we'll probably we should all just try it just for shooting.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

We appreciate you taking one for the team anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

So Waymo uh is this is kind of sad. It was blocking emergency vehicles. I don't know the truth to it. It's a minute 47, I'm not sure we'll have it, but like there was a shooting in Austin, and this is from Austin, so we'll watch this. I watch one second of it, so it may be annoying. Yeah, it's like stuck in the middle. It's it's like across the road. Yeah, it's yeah. Why what is it doing though? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's doing a U-turn. Why are you yelling at me? Okay Honestly, it should be legal to just push that motherfucker right out of the way.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

Yeah, I'm surprised that I'm just gonna be like, I guess we're gonna get in it.

SPEAKER_02 49:23

You just need to get in it. What are you gonna do, sir? There's no scary- Oh, there is a scary one. Yeah, I'm gonna think you can control it. No, no, you can't. Open the door so I can drive this car. Hey, getting in it. He ain't gonna do nothing. What? Has he watched the news? What did he think he was gonna do?

SPEAKER_03 50:02

I didn't just I didn't know. What'd you say? Now now that he's in it, yeah, it's probably really not gonna move. No, because now they're like, what are you doing? Locking it down. Honestly, I'm trying to say it's the aimless just didn't gonna like cut kind of push him out of the way or cut something.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Well, not that not the ambulance, the cop could have done that. He's got the push bumper on it.

SPEAKER_03 50:21

Yeah, that's true. Yeah, he's parked right behind me.

SPEAKER_02 50:23

Yeah. Honestly, though, when when here's I just this just came to my thinking about it. Why don't they give an access code for police officers to step into that car and hit a code and they became they get access to it? I mean, they they have it on elevators, they have it on buildings where they have a code that they can get in on apartment buildings, they don't have to like wait, they can get in. Like, why? I mean, would that be the worst thing in the world? No, no. I mean, I wouldn't give it to the firefighters or ambulance, but uh a cop should be able to get in there, type a you know, verify a passcode somehow, or somehow on the app and move that thing out of the way. Like something. I mean, it would be it would be a good faith effort towards the community being like, hey, we're gonna do this because we know we've had some troubles. I mean, how many have we seen?

SPEAKER_03 51:18

Yeah, and man, if just think if you know if that ambulance is stuck like that and the person they're going to get in, you know, died because they couldn't get there in time, man. You talk about a lawsuit.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

I mean, yeah, and allegedly this is from this shooting in Austin, Texas over the weekend. So, I mean, that's some scary shit. Big old lawsuit for sure. So that's nuts.

SPEAKER_03 51:41

Yeah, they there has to be there needs to be some way for for some kind of people, you know, somebody to override that and in a quick in a quick manner, too. Not like sitting in there and and we, you know, not having to contact Waymo and get a hold of somebody and Bubba Sue. That makes too much sense. We I agree 100%.

SPEAKER_02 51:58

I mean, why not? Like it's it's it takes too long for them, you know, because they uh first you got as we talked about, they go to the Philippines, they don't know what the fuck's going on, then they gotta give it to the person in the state. But before by the time that's done, it could be five minutes. Yeah. Bleeding out, dudes bleeding out.

SPEAKER_03 52:16

Five minutes is a long time when you're talking about an emergency.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

Yeah, they they gotta fix that. That cannot happen. I it almost makes me mad that there's nothing that they can do. Like, if I dude, if I was a cop, I'd be getting written up so much because I'd I'd be taking that push bumper and just like we're moving.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Yep, get it out of the way.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

I mean, sorry, what are you gonna do? Like, fucking take it out of my check. No, don't, because it probably cost 50 grand to fix it.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

So yeah, that is that is just hard to believe. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 52:49

All right, uh, okay, so we've seen this before, but I don't know if we've seen the whole process. The DoorDash dot robot. Um, and so we're gonna watch a video, it's like 59 seconds, but notice how fast it comes up. I don't know if they're sped up the video, but it looks like it's going 100 miles an hour. Maybe it's sped up.

SPEAKER_03 53:07

Maybe move along.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

You think okay, okay, here we go. What what the fuck is happening?

SPEAKER_01 53:13

It's the DoorDash dot.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

Hold on a second. What the hell just happened? I don't know. Okay, let's try that again. I didn't didn't touch anything. That was so weird. Oh, you know what? I might have been fucking around with it and didn't reset it. That's probably what it was. Okay, here we go. Door dash dot. Take two. Look at that thing! Yeah, it's moving.

SPEAKER_05 53:38

Hi, over here. Over here. Yeah, it almost like door dash dog.

SPEAKER_02 53:51

Hi, it almost like sounds like they're talking spin up too. Oh, maybe they did speed it up a little bit. Yeah, it is sped up a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 54:05

No tipping. Fuck you, lady.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

Oh, the name's on the little screen. It says Jennifer.

SPEAKER_05 54:12

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

Bye bye, Dorash, bye. See, see you around.

SPEAKER_03 54:19

Yeah, it's definitely sped up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

Hang up.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

Okay, you do the shoe turn. Fucking does better than Waymo. Gone.

SPEAKER_02 54:33

Dude. That's crazy. That's hilarious. I mean baby carriage. Yeah, I mean it yeah, what it definitely was sped up a little bit, but like how accurate was it when it made the turn? It didn't like Waymo would have been like Yeah. Freeze for 10 minutes. Fucking thing. All right. Let's see. What is this? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 55:03

I looked up how fast the dots can go. It says they can go up to 20.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

That's flying.

SPEAKER_03 55:07

That is. I mean, yeah, on a little road like that, that's moving.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

I think we talked about a couple weeks ago, like if that hits your ankle, oh yeah. You're you're it's gonna break your ankle.

SPEAKER_03 55:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

Leave a mark, you're going to the hospital. Oh. All right, Larry. What do you what do you think about this picture coming up? Do you think it's this can't be real, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:29

No, at the at the at the end, you it you'll find out it's a it's a commercial for that um that trading company. That's it's really you know, uh a betting, you know, it's really a gambling company that uh I forget the name of it, but it it comes up at the very end across the screen. So yeah, we'll play it. No, there's no video. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

The DoorDash driver? Yeah. I didn't have any video. Yeah, it's a video. Whatever you shared. Oh, was it on Facebook? Uh yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. So I I didn't see it as a video. I just saw the still. But anyways.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

Yeah, so anyway, um, so yeah, at at the very end, um gosh, I'll have to I'll have to figure out what uh well it says who it is in the top.

SPEAKER_02 56:15

It's it's the app that it gets it's it's a betting app. It's called Calci or something.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Yeah, yeah, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Yeah, so it's the same guy that we showed a few weeks ago that supposedly has done 100,000 uh deliveries for DoorDash, and he had got the the uh DoorDash, you know, uh track suit, sweatsuit, whatever you want to call it. And this one it says DoorDash driver receives free escalade for making 100,000 deliveries, and it displays a little video. The video shows him delivering to some house and like there's snow on the ground, and he he's like stepping through and putting the putting the food down there, and then as he's walking back, a guy pulls up and and the customer pulls up in his car, and the guy's like, Oh, let me go get the food so you don't have to walk through the snow. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

Okay, I was I was like, I couldn't, I was when I saw that, I was like, You're this can't be real. Like they he didn't get a Cadillac, but but it is the same guy though?

SPEAKER_03 57:16

Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, it's that same guy that we showed like a few weeks ago with you know with the with the suit. Yeah, it's definitely the same guy.

SPEAKER_02 57:23

Okay. Faith says it only does one delivery at a time, the Doordash dot. Like if there are four orders in there, what's stopping her from taking someone else's food? I don't think it, I think it's just one order.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

Yeah, or maybe uh maybe maybe like the other side raises up two. Yeah, they would have to separate it. Yeah, they'll definitely have to separate them. Yeah, because it comes in, somebody, yeah, you know, you can't do the honor system.

SPEAKER_02 57:46

Yeah, the first time's taking it off someone's stealing it. Um, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 57:52

Or even if they don't steal it, you don't know you don't want you know somebody touching your food, even if they don't take it, you're not gonna know if they did it.

SPEAKER_02 57:58

Yeah, that that is interesting and doesn't seem very efficient, right? Like we can obviously we can take triples and you know, the food's cold, but um I'd be curious if that thing is warm in there too, if it has a warm like I mean, I'm sure it does.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

Yeah, I'm sure it I would I would almost guarantee.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

But yeah, it doesn't seem you know, like four orders in there. It doesn't seem efficient to do one at a time. Um, obviously they'll get better over time, but I mean again, it drives better than a Waymo, so I can't hate on them too much.

SPEAKER_03 58:29

So Okay, let's see. Uh I tried to look up if it could take up any more than any more than one order. Uh but it's not saying that. But it says it says it can hold up to six large pizzas or multiple smaller short distance orders.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Multiple. Again, yeah. Where's the where do you I would think I would yeah, I don't know. I'd have to watch the video again and take a closer look, but again, we need to where where are these fuckers? Can we I mean, we're gonna have to go to San Francisco to to place an order to see it?

SPEAKER_03 59:08

Maybe, yeah. Who knows?

SPEAKER_02 59:10

All right, I'm gonna wrap up with this one and then we'll go to Patreon. I thought this was an interesting article. It actually was written pretty good. Um, it's called uh Former Delivery Drivers Are Getting Weird New Jobs as Delivery Robots Take Over. Um, and it was actually I actually enjoyed the writing in it, but so it's talking about a robot Wrangler. So basically, what's happening behind the scenes is these guys have to go out and help these things in real-world obstacles. Um, they spring in an action, freeing from potholes, helping them upright after a fall, and ferrying them back to headquarters for maintenance. Obviously, much of the work happens behind the scenes. They need daily recharging, cleaning, plus constant maintenance for software updates and hardware malfunctions. Uh, this they actually are offering, let's see, it's$21 an hour and top off at$23 a yearly take home, around$45K. Well, that might may be higher than what an average Los Angeles driver earns, delivery driver, which that sounds sad. It's still well below the minimum or what's required in California for a single doll, single adult with no children to care for themselves, which they say is 63k. So um, you know, they talk about how robot, as robotics companies do take over, they eliminate low barrier income for for workers who already have limited options. Of course, delivery worker is far from ideal safety net, but nonetheless, it functions as an important financial stop gap for marginalized workers like migrants, single parents, elderly, and people with disabilities. I mean, I I agree with that. I feel like they kind of shit on like single parents, elderly, and people with disabilities, because it's not just a stopgap for some people. Right. I think a lot of people use it that way so that like if they're in a pinch, um, they're able to do that. But so yeah, I mean it's it's interesting that they have to pay uh somebody to do that, but it does make sense. Like this, you mean every curb and crack and and and I'm sure they'll get better, right? Over time, they'll be able to manage more of that. But yeah, they're gonna have to hire people anywhere it goes to to save those little fuckers when they get stuck.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:12

Yeah, I'm just waiting for the for the day when uh when they have something that's very similar to the DoorDash dot goes out uh to close the door on the Waymo. Yeah, no kidding.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:25

I read something about that. I cannot remember. It was something new to what than what we had talked about. I couldn't remember. It was something with the doors closing. I don't know. Oh, uh they charge the customer.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:38

Yeah, um that oh I didn't know that. I didn't know they charged the customer. No, I didn't know I didn't know that that they did. It surprised me.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:45

Yeah, they they charge the customer uh because they gotta pay to send somebody out. So I guess that makes sense, but yeah, exactly. They probably charge them 25 bucks, which they should like. Yeah, why be yeah? If I'm a business owner, I'm doing the same thing. If I gotta pay somebody to go out and fucking shut this door, I'm not eating that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Yeah, I'm not eating that. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:06

So all right, 8 10 p.m. is the Patreon. Uh love to uh we'll do a DoorDash experiment. I'll have to run up and get my DoorDash phone. And uh you can join three dollars free seven-day trial. Uh, any gig work this weekend, Larry?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:21

Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to think. I don't think it's supposed to be pretty pretty nice here. I think temperatures are gonna be still pretty warm. Uh though it looks like maybe rainy, but yeah, nothing uh don't don't have anything planned, so yeah, definitely should be out doing some gig work.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:35

Uh Saturday I'm not. We can get pretty busy all day. And I and then I have Sunday. I know Megan's working. I don't know. I might go out, I'm not gonna commit to it. I've had uh the next weekend's busy too, so I I might just stay home, but we'll see. You know me, I get bored.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:51

You'll be home for a while and you're like, I'm tired of this.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

Well, especially when Megan's not home, the kids are doing their own thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:56

I'm just like, Yeah, yeah, you're like, what am I doing here?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:59

I mean, I'll have to edit the show, but yeah, I mean, I I can do that. But anyways, uh, all right. Uh as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit. And we'll see you on the road. All right, good night. Hey, good night, everybody.