Episode 2: Embodied Inquiry with Moosa

Moosa is devoted to embodied inquiry, listening to the body as a living field of intelligence rather than an object to be fixed or transcended. Drawing from lived experience, his work explores how nervous system awareness and neurodivergence can open unexpected pathways into creativity, coherence, and connection.

Moosa’s work lives in the body, where experience precedes explanation. Rather than offering answers, he invites a return to listening, sensation, rhythm, and the intelligence already present within the nervous system.

In his NeuroDivine conversation, Moosa invites a reframing of spirituality, less as belief, more as practice and less as identity, more as presence.

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. Hi everyone. My name is Rabia Sani, and I am going to be interviewing today one of my favorite people in the world. He is a very wise mystic, a very wonderful friend. And just an overall wonderful human being. So, , here is Musa Musa. Would you like to introduce yourself? Hello? Uh, let me put down the labels you put on me here before I speak a word. Let us take a deep breath in. To be present in our hearts. This is the form of communication that is my favorite presence of our hearts. It's the field of silence that is speak thousand words. And as we are becoming aware of this loving presence for each other, we become the clear mirror of truth reflecting to each other. May this conversation be that reflection to the brightest. Our light shining to each other. Thank you. That was beautiful. Thank you for having me hosting this conversation, and I appreciate all your efforts, all our efforts to share, to shine the light that we caddy inside. Our hearts, the reflections of our soul. That is the gift for this word. So I appreciate you Robio, John, and thank you so much for hosting this conversation. Let's see where our hearts are taking us in this journey. The inner walk, maybe. I am here with you without the labels. I want everyone just to be present. Take a deep breath in and join the circle of our hearts. This conversation happens maybe 1% of 1% at the surface by words and a lot more. Through this invisible field. So it's a meditation and activation in conversation. We don't hold mass or identities, labels of who we are, who is the person we are just listening to the words and the feelings that are being activated in our hearts. It's a reflection field for all of us. So Mua, I'm going to let you go wherever your heart feels called in this conversation., And you know, the bottom line, well, not the bottom line, but the gist of what I want to show to our listeners is how does. Spirituality show up in your neurodivergence because you've taught me so much about how mine does and I feel like you have a lot to offer to people who may not know where to start or how to embrace their spirituality, how to embrace that spiritual side , how to embrace their heart, and they still struggle. And I think part of the struggle comes from not. Being able to turn inwards in some way. Mm-hmm. Every struggle and suffering pain that we have is coming from ignorance. Ignorance is a state of consciousness reach. You assume a false identity of separation. So that's the base of every pain and suffering in this toilet. That's why like for example, Buddha says the sign of enlightenment is when suffering ends, because enlightenment is the estate. That you are all connected to the source, to that loving, pure, loving awareness inside of you that we realize we wake up not to the reality outside, like Carl Young says, who looks outside? Dreams and who looked inside inward wakes up.'cause that's the field within us, inside of us. By the way, I want to give a disclaimer. I, I'm not a good memorizer of anything. Indeed, one of the sides of this neurodivergence in me. Was very t strange memory loss and time blindness in my brain function. Like I have selected memory loss. No matter how hard I try, I can't remember the things I read or saw. And from the other side, this annoyed me. Of course, it's very. Disturbing for a human being that why I can't remember the things I need to remember, but we talk about this steps or timeliness for example, like they say like extreme A DHD tendencies, and they are, they have time blindness. How I suffer through this and how I realize the gift of it. We go through that, but I want to say the root cause of all suffering is that a state that we forgot the truth of ourselves, that wholeness of ourselves, like as if something is wrong, something is missing. Something is not right.., You have disabilities. The illusion that every disability right in one side is bringing you the energy. The consciousness and the opposite of it. That is the gift within you. For example, there is this guy, sorry, I don't remember his name, but he got born without hand and feet. I don't know if you saw him., He is the embodiment. That without the hand and feet, I still, I am still capable of leading the biggest of life that is unimaginable for so many of you. So he accepted that that soul accepted that disability as an experiment. Here is a lab. It's like a simulation of embodiment of consciousness. A soul comes with an intention that I want to experience the highest of abilities in that reality. So when your soul make the intention that I want to have realize, embody the highest of abilities. You get born and experience the most unimaginable of disabilities, that gift is wrapped into the opposite of itself. Like I got born with an eye condition. And since my childhood, I saw my mother blaming herself that when she was pregnant, she ate an outside food, that she got food poisoning and in her assumption because the doctor told her or whatever. My vision condition that is very weak. Apparently I use a very thick glass to be able to see is the result of that. So all my life, since I remember I am having these high power glasses, apparently. It says that I cannot see the word kill if I take off my glasses. Even now in this short distance, I cannot see your face clearly. I shared this with you before, but what is the blessing, the gift of this? You saw that when people do meditation, they always tell them that, close your eyes, because that eye focus is one of the biggest distract distractions of our attention eye is continuously the focusing basically. Imagine you take off your glasses and you melt into a light field. All the rigid boundaries and borders are melting, and you see one light field. Immediately took me years of my life to realize that, to go into a deep meditative stage, a trance for me, it's enough to take off my glasses. Think about it. It's alters your total function of your.'cause the feeling, the experience of it is different than this reality. It shifts you into an alter nature, like a state of consciousness. So we are all in that journey to realize the highest of our gifts that we brought with ourselves. In the ruins of our life, in the apparent disabilities that we have apparent dysfunctions of our life Rumi says, wherever there is ruin, right ruins, there is treasures all buried under the pile of this ruin. So it's up to us. When they called us. Neurodivergent, , disabled, unable, not good enough. Not capable. That's the burden that we got buried under all the places that you couldn't show up. To expectations, up to the judgments, up to the standards, rules, laws, whatever. Because of your inner dynamic and function that nobody could see, nobody could realize it. Nobody could understand it. How many of us. In the human society, especially now in this new age, are being born or grow up with such suffering neurodivergence like in my own relationships when I reflect it was the deepest of healing with my family. Even my ex-wife, she was very organized, disciplined mind, a true Capricorn, and years of living together. When I reflect, she couldn't at the end, comprehend, understand, or accept this disability. I always felt that I am like someone that is disabled fall into the ground and the people around him instead of holding a space, make him be safe, take his hand, help and support him being able to get up and stand up to work on his own. Everybody pass. Kicking me that why you, you are, fall into the ground. Why you cannot run like us. My mind wasn't, my mind cannot take, continue a linear line. They don't understand it. For them. If you give them a line, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, they are able to continue forever. Linear mindset, perception of a linear timeline, how you can explain to that mind, to that brain. That I am right in a spiral timeline. In a multi-dimensional timeline. My mind is not moving. 1, 2, 3, 4. What my mind is following, for example, Fibonacci series, they can't understand what does that mean? They have no idea because they have no perception of that. For them, time is a fixed, linear thing. It's the clock on the wall. They don't understand time as a dimension, invisible force and field. That is not the clock on the wall. It's the flow of turning of events. The difference is huge. That perception that understand. So part of this suffering is exactly all these experiences. That we need to reflect on that we came to this world being neurodivergent in one way or another. We have a whole spectrum of different means of processing, right? And in this world, it's like very easy and simple to jump into. The misunderstanding of mental, uh, diseases or mental illnesses. We, we label it as illness. We cannot see the gift of it, the blessing of it that is here to give us something that we didn't have. It's a new thing, like each and every one of these. Neurodivergent being, for example, we say, oh, autism is this or that. For example, in our judgment.'cause we don't understand it. If you understand what a blessing, unimaginable gift of being is every autistic human being'cause we cannot comprehend. Before you go onto to that, , I know somebody's probably gonna want to know what you meant by the way that time is felt by you because you, you touched on it, but you said it's not linear, but you didn't go into more detail, so I, I know people are gonna say, well, what exactly do you mean by that? Hmm? I said this conversation. Will be like less than 1% in words of logic, and a lot of it is the wisdom that is being felt. I appreciate this inquiry and I invite everyone in this Heart Connection presence because as they are listening or watching the. If they stay present in their heart word by word that we speak, they see it, they feel it in their heart. I don't need to explain in words that are so incapable of, , definition of these realities. And that's why we just use words as the guiding, , like pointers. When I touch on linear and non-linear time, I'm sure I'm inviting your audience, whoever that is, listening to this or watching this to reflect, to share that what is that they saw in their heart? How they felt this linear and non-linear or a spiral flow of time. That is the difference,, about the old world. That is the rigid realm of reasoning, mind, intellect. And we got used to that, that, oh, we are learning by education. Someone needs to come lecture us, lecture our intellectual brain. So we learn in this conversations. I want to invite everyone. Like a walk. So they feel this field in their heart presence and then they share their experience, how they are remembering instead of learning or how this is not education. We are done with education. And we are entering to the age of sensation you receive by the sensation in your heart as if it's a transmission, an activation you remember in your body. The only thing that is needed is one person to be the spark. To be the pointer, to be the reminder. I'm not the teacher here, whoever that is listening to this podcast, this conversation is definitely up to this frequency and capacity to receive this transmission and this wisdom. If we want to do this as an experiential like offering, I invite you again and again to synchronize to the field by taking one conscious breath in. That one breath is the recalibration that brings your coherency to the field As you are present here, you are watching and listening. You are entering into this state of awareness and now. As we made the inquiry, what is non-linear time? What is a spiral of time seeds in your hearts, and then you are opening your vision to understand the whole fractal of time the invisible. Throne that is ruling over three dimensional reality. The physical dimensions are visible and the overruling dimension. The fourth dimension is invisible field. It's the field. That is driving. It's like the, the time is the field of motion. It's guiding the motion, how everything is unfolding, what is the cause and effect, what are the consequences of choices? This is understanding of time, not as a clock on the wall. Understanding the soul of this dimension, the spirit of this dimension that is the storyline. Timeline is a storyline like a movie, and when you become aware of this multidimensional nature of time. We realize that inside of us, every human being is living through multiple timelines. Every timeline is another story that is living in our psyche, in our body. Like for example, you have a timeline of your life from birth to death on earth, but at the same time. You have many different timelines. Each timeline is a story. For example, if I got born as an Iranian or Persian, there is a timeline or a storyline of being Persian in this world that is living inside of you if you want it or not. You are an actor, an element. In that timeline, in that movie, you are part of it. Even your name becomes a timeline. Every story you leave is a timeline. So this is, that's is the. Al Throne, the Hidden Throne. The visible throne is the government that holds the reality in a structure for us, like the old Kings. That's the visible throne that seems like they are controlling the reality, but there is a hidden throne. That is the the time dimension. So in, for example, because you just mentioned, I'm just saying in Gnostic or mystical school, Sufism, that's the throne they call it. So saw Heza, the Lord of Time, the Aron saw. Is the person, the one that is in Occultation, that's ruler in Occultation, it's, he's the invisible ruler. That's how they define it, right? The ruler in Occultation is so. In Christianity, of course, Jesus is that like he's in culation, but in true meaning, it's, it's not about a person out there. These are archetypes inside of us. So. These words are just the pointers. Each and every one of us is receiving the wisdom up to the capacity of our container. What is the container capacity? The assumptions of our mind. We have different. Capacities to receive. Nobody can force anyone else for the level of perception they choose. It is a fractal door within the door. This is a spiral time. When they listen to our conversation for the linear mind, they lose it. They say what he's talking about from one thing to another thing. This is exactly the example. Sorry. You also gave me a really good example, which I've been telling some people about being in A DHD or and being able to envision, like when we were doing things that you're in a beautiful spiral dance. Like whirling. Like a whirling dervish. Yes. Can you explain that one a little bit? Because I think that's a beautiful analogy. Uh. Background, of course, for the audience., For years I've been using whirling dance, Sufis' whirling dance as a medication and meditation to be able to connect and go deeper into the sensations and feelings of my body. That's what it is. The whirling dance is activating your nervous system when it's synced and linked with the breath. That is mostly the missing parts because I saw, I've been in many whirling dance circles and I met many of them. I realized that. Most of them have no awareness that whirling dance only works its true effect. When you understand that this is a breath work practice without that conscious breathing and like, it's like a form of how I can say breath work and. Yoga also. So it's not just you turn no, you think to a rhythm, right of movement that is activating and overwhelming your nervous system. See it like this. It's, it is rising the energy through your spine without outer medications or substances, basically. So it has the ability to induce, like DMT, like trans states when it's linked to the breath work without. Any outside medications or drugs or substances. But doing that meditation when you are whirling is altering your a state of consciousness. First of all, you realize that you are the center of your reality. Everything is turning around. Yeah, like everything in the reality is fetched out or is reflection of your own soul. The sensations soul is the craft of our like sensations and assumptions. If you want to understand, what are these two? I say one is intellect, the masculine mind, and one is the feelings, the feminine unconsciousness, right? So through history. We grow our intellect more and more and more. The focus on the masculine mind, the masculinity of this world. So we reach to a place of knowledge, intellect to recreate eight. Our soul craft, our soul intellectual craft. Like ai for example, this is what the point is, is all knowing mind. So by the craft of our intellect, we reached a place to replicate that. In a sense, what is missing or AI doesn't have now is that sensational part of our soul. That's the missing part. So this whirling is an access that gives you access to your soul craft. Like you fall deep into sensations of your body. You feel all your body because your nervous system is so activated. And you are whirling turning right? That puts you in a very special observation as someone with ADHD there in whirling dance. I realize how my brain works as my brain is in a continuous whirling dance. All my life, I resisted my attention as if my attention is wrong. That's how they teach you that because your attention pattern is not compatible with the pattern that reality is demanding and expecting from you. The reality is demanding a linear. Right attention flow. Your attention seemingly is random, but it's not random. You should see that if, again, now everything connects to everything else. Anyone who feels overwhelmed, you are in a linear mindset. This is not for you. Disclaimer. But as you are whirling, you arrive at a place as if you are whirling through the 12 houses of Zodiac sign. And as each of these zodiac signs are over rulers. Of our psyche. That's the whole concept of astrology. Like these are the machines that crafted, designed by a super intelligence that we have no capacity to comprehend or understand it. But the moment you realize this inner mechanics and connections, you lose your mind. It is end of your mind when you witness understand the mirror that I am in the mirror of consciousness. Everything is reflection of my assumptions and my feelings, sensations. In this reality, it's a rendering field. Then you realize that your attention is not random. Your attention is not messed up. You are turning, and in this turning you are seeing different doors. Each door is activating another gateway for you. And for a ordinary mind that they feel overwhelmed by following an a linear line. They have no capacity to comprehend what is life for someone with this condition. How complex and interwoven everything, apparently unrelated and irrelevant to each other like you, you are sensing that hidden craft. That how everything that comes to your attention that is apparently irrelevant and unrelated is deeply connected and very meaningful flow. Only that you are resisting that, that are not following a linear line. I am not, uh, functioning the way I should. The point is to remember that you came for a different reality. The reality that you came for is not out there. The reality that you came for is waiting for your recognition to be born from inside of you. It's waiting for you to gain the capacity to alloy, run through your nervous system without resisting and collapse because the moment you resist it, your nervous system collapses. Imagine you want to stop a huge flow of uh, roaring River. You want to resist it, stop it. It destroys you because now your psyche is not handling one linear timeline. The moment you resist one, you collapse all. That's my experience. I'm just sharing how I suffered. This is the part that becomes like a dark comedy. You are speaking about remembering all the thousand times that you resisted yourself and your whole nervous system collapse. So how do you stop resisting? Believe me if I know that answer to be shared in intellectual way, right? I know that so many gurus, masters are out there that they have thousand different ways to tell you how to stop resisting yourself., I say good luck because you are a unique combination, and to arrive into that combination that unlocks your highest potential is your miracle. That's not the game you play with your mind. That's the game you can only surrender and witness because . Our resistance is also part of the journey to integrate it, not to alienate it, right? Mm-hmm. That resistance is part of the journey also. It's not for you to figure it out, it's for you to trust is for you to surrender to that. Trust that it seems so out of control and out of mind, but in this loving presence and this awareness that I pin to a gateway. Musa, thank you so much for joining us today. I know we're gonna continue to have these conversations together because this is just the beginning of our journey., But do you have any , last thoughts? Last words. I'm just saying here we are to remember the wholeness of ourselves again, that in that loving awareness. We remember that nothing is missing. We are whole and we are held to remember that we are step into a gateway that I call it. You enter into a field, the sovereign field, that nothing needs to change for this moment to be right. I want that remembrance. In your hearts, and God bless all of you, and I appreciate you, Rabia, and also for hosting this conversation. Thank you so much, Musa. And, , where can our readers or listeners find you if they, , want to see any of your work or follow you? They find me. No worries. Okay, sounds good. So we don't need to really, this is a learning really, you know? Yeah. Less of instructions and for anyone wants to find me, connect with me, communicate with me, and they are sincere in that, and they see the value of it. They find, they figure it out. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you.