It’s Not A Food Bank, Promise

A warm room, a busy kitchen, and a queue that tells the truth about an “affluent” postcode—this conversation maps the real landscape of need. We sit down with Liz and Anne from the Hub in Altrincham to explore how a community centre that practices more than it preaches turns surplus food into stability, welcome, and pride. The small charge isn’t a gimmick; it’s the engine of dignity. Members stretch budgets without shame, and volunteers, from retired couples to parents and students, turn deliveries into friendship, routine, and a sense of purpose that lingers long after the bags are packed.

We dive into hidden poverty and why working families are increasingly on the edge, sometimes pushing food onto buy-now-pay-later schemes just to make it through the month. The hub model reaches that “missing middle,” catching people upstream before crisis hits. Along the way, we unpack why language matters (this is not a food bank) and how ownership shapes outcomes: local groups painting rooms, neighbours running shifts, and a culture that says you belong the moment you walk in. The result is more than food; it’s a platform for confidence, connection, and practical problem-solving.

Refugee stories bring the mission into sharp focus. From families arriving with nothing to Iranian asylum seekers who once practised their faith in secret, the community meal becomes a bridge from fear to safety. The response is fast and human: clothing found, buggies sourced, fruit and veg turned into hot plates shared around long tables. We also talk volunteering as a health booster and a career edge, the quiet power of inclusive faith spaces, and why upstream support is smarter and kinder than chasing emergencies.

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Transcript

Welcome And What TBBT Does

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Hello and welcome back to a slice of bread and butter with me, Vic, and Mark. We're from the Bread and Butter Thing.

Meet Liz And Anne At Ulti Hub

SPEAKER_00 0:16

We run a network of mobile food clubs that take surplus food from supermarkets, farms and factories. We take it straight into communities where families are struggling to get by.

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Yeah, for less than a tenner, our members get bags packed with fruit, veg, fridge food, and cupboard staples. It's a weekly shop that helps stretch the budget and take some of the pressure off.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Yeah, and our members are always at the heart of everything we do. They turn food into friendship and neighbours into community, and that's what makes us tick.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

And today it's Liz and Anne from our Ulti Hub. Yeah, that's a Liz.

A Community Centre Not A Church

SPEAKER_01 0:57

My name is Anne Weinstock when I last asked myself. I've been volunteering for the bread and butter thing for three years, maybe a bit more. So my husband and I are both retired, and we found an article in The Guardian about your charity, and we live in Hale, so it was very handy. So we do that every Tuesday. Harry, the husband, is on the chiller van, which he loves, especially when the van's full. So Liz and I also, as you can see, do a lot of work with the refugees in the two hotels. So we help cook a community meal on a Wednesday night, and the link to bread and butter is that there's sometimes bags left over with fruit and veggie, and we can use that. The cooks use that to cook the meal. I make uh banana cake for the volunteers every week.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

So that's the it is lovely that we're sat here eating cake as well as doing podcasting. So yeah, and chocolate and banana cake. Very good, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

I've been in on this since the beginning. And who are you? I'm Liz Bradley, sorry. I'm Liz Bradley. And uh I've been at the church that runs this centre for 52 years.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

So can you explain a bit of what this centre is?

SPEAKER_02 2:18

People say practice what you preach. We try and practice and don't preach an awful lot because actions speak louder than words. And if you care for people and are interested in them and include them and involve them, that tells its own story. And if asked, we would say the reason why we do it, but we wouldn't push it down, people.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

So what was this building?

SPEAKER_02 2:39

It was a daycare centre. Um it was a daycare centre where they prepared meals on wheels in the big kitchen, and a lot of the little rooms had baths with hoists, and elderly people who couldn't get in and out of the bath were brought and dunked, basically. Which is very suitable for a Baptist church because we dunk people too. Um and it it went from there. And it's not a threatening building, and it's not a church. So people are happy coming of whatever faith or non-faith they have, because it isn't a church.

SPEAKER_00 3:13

Because it's a community centre.

SPEAKER_02 3:14

It's a community centre, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

It it says something very different, doesn't it? Community centre versus church.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Uh I and I any any faith-based property actually, i it can be it doesn't matter, does it? It can be a mosque or anything.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

But walls can be barricades.

Affluent Town, Hidden Poverty

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Yeah. Absolutely. Okay, so we're in Altringham, and that's quite an affluent place. So why are we here doing bread and butter?

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Well, it it's an affluent place for many, but not for everybody. I mean, there's a council of state for social housing just across the road. People who come are generally people who are finding budgets tough. Uh finding just even paying the rent is tough. One lady comes, she has seven children. There's no way she could feed them without the bread and butter thing. And by the way, we should congratulate you on setting it up.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

I have to tell you, you know what, I noticed that I thought was I was going to say you've got a bit of history in charity anyway, haven't you?

SPEAKER_01 4:18

So I'm talking about run a few charities at my time, yes. Um actually we're Jewish, so Well, there you go, multi-faith. Well, we've got multi-faith in the communities of the book.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I was gonna say, around the table, we've got a Baptist.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Yes. And a Jew. And a Jew.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

And uh is it offensive for you to pay?

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Absolutely complementary. You have so much more in common than you have differences. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

So yes, it's good, and actually one of the things I found interesting here is a lot of the refugees go to Lizard's church now, and they don't go just because it's going to help them to get the right to remain. They actually genuinely love it.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Many of them were secret believers in Iran. They went to secret churches and some of them had to leave when they were found out.

Refugee Stories And Support

SPEAKER_01 5:05

Yeah. So there's one lady who comes who's got stickers all up her leg from being shot. One lady's husband was in uh was in prison, and their family clubbed together all the money they had to put them in a boat to come here, and they're horrendous stories when you talk to them. Uh so a couple of weeks ago I got a call, and a family, husband and wife, and a nearly two-year-old boy had arrived on a boat the day before, were housed up here, and all they had was the clothes they had on them. So I quickly uh found them some uh clothing and then put them in touch with the people at the hub who can help them get buggies and you know proper wardrobes for winter and shoes and all the rest of it. They looked frightened, they looked cold, uh, and they said it was it was just the worst experience. They didn't know whether they'd make it here.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

For me, the hub is it's it's to meet real needs. So the refugees are relatively recent. I worked with the elderly and vulnerable for years in the church and with children, and there are needs that aren't money needs or food needs. There are loneliness needs, there are damage needs, there are all sorts. So we run all sorts of activities for different groups.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Damage needs.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Life damage.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Okay. So abuse?

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes just years of just years of difficulty, or years of not achieve feeling they haven't achieved anything, or yes, there's mental health issues, we have mental health issues. Um just any need really, because of the asylum seekers. Well obviously we're thinking about money needs, but actually there are an awful lot of needs that aren't money.

Beyond Money: Loneliness And Healing

SPEAKER_01 6:54

And we do have, though, on the Communes Meal on a Wednesday here, we do have locals come.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

And they find it a great uh refuge just to eat, you know, they're lonely, they're on their own.

SPEAKER_02 7:06

The meal starts at quarter past six, and by four o'clock there's a group of them come and sit and chat. I wonder if they're saving money on heating, actually.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Well, I think that, and I think I always say to them, I'm not making a cup of tea until we've made the meal. They've gone for a hot drink.

SPEAKER_02 7:21

It's just a building that caters for people who have needs. And it's a lovely place.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

I was gonna say it's a really interesting way of looking at it, isn't it? I just wonder whether most community centres have that at their heart and they just don't articulate it the same way.

SPEAKER_02 7:36

Well, from the very beginning, there was ownership because every group in the church, every little home group or a a sports group or a whatever, took a room and decorated it. And and I think that gives you ownership. And I think ownership of a project is important that everybody's involved, not just or you bring somebody in to do the job. I think once you've decorated yourself and you've cared about it.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

Well we we we kind of feel that way with bread and butter, really.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

I think the other thing about the bread and butter thing that I found very interesting was that there's a small charge. So I remember when I was inductors, they said don't call it a food bank. It's not a food bank. And there's some logic in that because dignity and they feel they feel actually better paying for it. And you know, on most weeks they get£40 worth of food, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

It was bridging that gap between destitution, shall we say, in crisis, and people that can afford everyday life. Because there's a this huge collar in the middle, right? Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 8:45

No, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Well, that's why I started the toddler group and the play school, because there were private nurseries which the rich people could afford, and there was nothing for anybody else. So we started so that the people who couldn't afford it, the children have preschool experience, because I'm an infant teacher, or was. In the day. In the day.

Ownership, Dignity, And Small Charges

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Here do you tend to see people mainly in crisis or or it sounds more like that colour than struggles. Very broad range that we look at, it tends to be the people that are just really struggling to get by. What frustrates me a lot is that so much effort goes into crisis, but it doesn't go upstream to people that are just about managing just on the edge to prevent them dropping into crisis.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

I can't remember the name of the research body, but I will find out and email it to you that one in four working families are struggling with food bills. One in four working families. Yeah. You know, everyone seems to think it's the unemployed and it just isn't.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

No, over half of our members of working age are in working families.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

So there's at least one person in employment in those families. So we we see that. And one of the biggest things that we see as a trend at the moment is people are putting their food bills on clone or easy pay and page debt.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

We have grandparents who come and buy food for their children and their grandchildren, which is rather nice because they're free in the day, they can come. Whereas if the parents are working, they can't.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

It's working families and they they're finding a way and they're getting by, and yet they're not getting the support from government.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

So, what else do you do here? Is there anything else that you found that bread and butter's done here?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

I can see that the volunteers have found friendships that they might not otherwise have had. Uh, people who live on their own uh very often.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Um it's quite a unique hub, this one, I have to say, um, because we get people like yourself, Anne, and Tom, that come along, and Tom's got, he's still working with his successful business, sergeant major. I love him to bits. Came over to the uh warehouse a couple of weeks ago and we had a chat with him on the podcast. And normally we have people that are buying the bags because they need the bags as well, volunteering. So there's a slight different feel here because quite a lot of the volunteers.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Some people started like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

Yeah.

Working Families On The Edge

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Um we have a lovely neighbour who's got a voice like a foghorn, and she used to call it. Does she know me?

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Sorry. Does she know me?

SPEAKER_02 11:26

Oh yes, she's even louder than you. Uh, and she came to get bags, but then because she she didn't have any area in her life where she was doing something for other people, which I think again is very important, to feel valued. Volunteering is also important to have an opportunity to put something back in. You know, in a way, maybe that's just as valuable to those people, the volunteers, as for the food is for the people who want the food.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

One of the projects I set up in the day uh rolling up to the year 2000 was something called Millennium Volunteers. It was for uh young people age 16 to 25, and we coined this phrase that when you get three people of the same caliber, same qualifications going for the same job, if you can say you're volunteering, that's telling your employer you'll go the extra mile. So we created the slogan get an MV for your CV. You know, then he involves this, and it we recruited probably 100,000, and that matters, that matters that you can show an employer that you can do more than just do the average mile. Couldn't agree more, and it means you've got empathy, and you know, you're probably going to be quite good as a leader one day. So I remember doing research at the time, it was American research, that actually volunteering is very good for your health.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

Well, we have a physical volunteer community leader, yeah. And that's their role to coordinate the volunteers. So it's seen as something valuable.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

I mean, we couldn't do what we do without volunteers. We I think it's about 1200 volunteers a week now.

unknown 13:04

Gosh.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

How many?

SPEAKER_00 13:05

1200.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

So amazing. Yeah.

Volunteering, Skills, And Health

SPEAKER_01 13:09

We went last between Christmas and New Year last year to volunteer at uh Trafford Park. We've not been to Eccles yet.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Well, we've not been there very long, September, and we're only in the temporary unit at the moment. The new unit won't open till January, so coming February, March. Okay. In fact, let's say March, and then we've got things bedded in. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

So Liz and I'm chatty then.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

Very much so, and I've got my say there's almost like a pattern, Vic, that people tell you all sorts when you stop recording.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

Nice. What did you find out?

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Um, an interesting conversation that they'd had. Anne was working with Blunkett, Debbie Blunkett, in education, and it was just fascinating to listen to how she got the role, and it it was more again through her charity work, and she was working quite closely with him through several of the Blair years, so it it's just people you stumble across, eh?

SPEAKER_03 14:30

Yeah. So I've got a David Blunkett story.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:34

Yeah. So when I was a student, I got roped in to work at the Labour Party conference. So it's the most horrendous thing I've ever done. They're up all night drinking. You like the bars don't shut.

SPEAKER_00 14:46

It's like you know, you know, when you said they're up all night, I was expecting working.

Warehouse Moves And Growth

SPEAKER_03 14:51

No, networking, maybe. And uh you used to have to go through airport security to get in, because obviously. And I always used to end up timing it so that I was going through airport security with David Blunkett and his dog. And I think meeting David Blunkett's dog was like the highlight of the confidence for me.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know what I'd be like with dogs, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

Um well you would have been like at least I knew not to like you know, pet the dog because he's working.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

I know, I know. I I I the number of working dogs I go over to and say, I'm really sorry, but can I pet your working dog?

SPEAKER_03 15:28

Yeah, it kind of doesn't work like that. No, it is really interesting. I think one thing came out from just the whole of their discussion, how rich the community is and how so many people are doing so many different things, and almost it feels like it's stronger because it's more diverse. I don't know whether you got that from chatting to them.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

No, I do, I do. It was interesting because you know, before I actually spoke to Liz and Ann, I would never have said that the Ulti hub was a place of worship.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

No, neither did yeah, that was news to me.

Community Richness And Inclusion

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Yeah, that almost threw me because faith-based places don't feel like that normally, and it it's like when they were saying, you know, sometimes faith-based places are a barricade and all the rest of it. She's not wrong. Because once you paint your stripes, then if you're not those stripes, you don't always feel welcome.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

Yeah, I think that that's fair about some churches or or other fa faith builders.

SPEAKER_00 16:30

I'm not I'm not suggesting it from the church itself, I'm basically saying it's the other way around. It's quite difficult to cross the threshold of another faith.

SPEAKER_03 16:42

I'm just flipping through our hubs though, and thinking about St. John's. What a diverse community going to St. John's.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

You know, I'm trying to sense check this in my head to go, so have we got any churches that we're based in that don't feel inclusive? And I'm really struggling to kind of think of them. Yeah. So I guess in theory I'd agree with you, but then maybe in practice, we're we're either lucky because we've found the right ones, yeah, or that they're just established within the community in a way that there's kind of just a really helpful building that people want to use and go into, and it's more about the the venue than you know, but like in Swinton, we're in St. Peter's, and everybody goes in there, St. John's in Manchester. You know, there's a there's a few that I'm thinking of that I'm like, yeah, actually, it doesn't really ring true.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

I stand correct, and it could be just my allergic reaction to religion, you know what it's like.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

Yeah, that's fair. The one thing that made total sense that I also didn't know was that it used to be a day centre, and now I can totally I can't unsee that in my mind.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Yeah, you can see it, can't you?

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Yeah, that did make a lot of sense.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah, but it it it it is that thing again though. Ulti hub is really in an affluent place, isn't it? And it and in and this is that kind of dare I say hidden poverty, hidden difficulties, people still struggle in those areas, and uh it it's coming back time and again, this.

Hidden Need Across Cheshire

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Yeah, it is, and I also think when we're talking about areas, those areas are made up of a population. If you've got part of the population that's super rich, then they distort the figures. So actually, it's really tricky to just look on a map of you know, like the indices of multiple deprivation and think that you understand the country because you don't, because there are those estates and those different people with different challenges, and especially when we get into some more rural areas, then they're even more complex to work out in terms of the public transport links, people have got maybe bigger houses, but that you know cost more to heat and they've got to go everywhere in a car, or you know, there's different challenges for different communities, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00 18:56

I I agreed. Uh and we've had several podcast conversations around this difficulty, particularly around rural, as you say, where um people can't afford to live in their own villages because people have got holiday homes or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

I I think you're right. I guess Cheshire's similar, isn't it? Whereas it it doesn't take many people that are mega wealthy to skew statistics.

SPEAKER_03 19:20

Yeah. And also you say Cheshire, and everyone thinks of like footballers and things like this, but actually we've got a few hubs and a few school communities that we're supporting that are in Cheshire. And agreed. You know, think about Broken Cross, for example, and Donna and all the hard work that she does there.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

You just wouldn't imagine it if you said, Oh yeah, we're in Cheshire. You no one would think that.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

I know and that just goes to show that there are there are pockets everywhere, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

Okay, so I I want to ask you about the volunteering bit, because I've thought about this and keep thinking about this. The the the giving back. I don't know whether you hear it, but I've heard it in job interviews and everything, where people would say, I want to come and work for a charity because I want to give back. I sometimes struggle with that concept of giving back. What are you giving back for? And why can't it just be something that's part of your life or because it just feels Victorian philanthropic that phrase giving back?

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Yeah, I think that across many of our hubs.

SPEAKER_00 20:27

Dare I say, just to provoke you, it almost feels trickled down.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Ooh. I mean that's like economics from like a decade ago or something.

SPEAKER_04 20:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Um, I I think for me, one of the things that I'm really proud of about bread and butter is across the majority of our hubs, the people that are volunteering are the people that are also members that are genuinely part of the community that are making making the world go round. So people giving back isn't really something that you hear from bread and butter members and volunteers that much. It's more about them being part of the community, being part of a team, all coming together to make something happen. I mean, that's why every hub's got its own personality, because the volunteers just kind of own it and make it what they want it to be, and all the different we've chatted about this before, all the different jobs that they create for all the different capabilities and stuff. So, yeah, I don't necessarily think about people giving back. I think a lot of our members want to make a difference and don't know how to make a difference, whether that be for them themselves or their community. And I feel like that's kind of the other side of the coin that we would morse it on.

Refugees, Faith, And Belonging

SPEAKER_00 21:41

I see that. That's almost like empowerment, right? Because we're we're coming in and helping them do something for their communities.

SPEAKER_03 21:51

Yeah. Yeah. So we we take in a load of food, a ton of food arrives on a van, the rest happens. Through the volunteers. We just couldn't achieve it without them. So they are the bread and butter thing, right? I think it's really unique. I don't go to many organizations that have the volunteering ethos that we benefit from and the real sense of family. And even I was chatting to supplier, a supplier the other day, and even they said we're really proud to be part of the extended bread and butter family.

SPEAKER_00 22:25

Oh, that's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_03 22:27

Just that even like the people that are giving us food think like that as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yeah. Right. Refugees. Liznan work a lot with refugees. And I didn't realise just how many Iranian refugees they already had in the area, which was fascinating. And I I think the point that was raised about them actually having some form of Christianity and having to hide it as well was quite a shock.

Food Clubs Versus Crisis Response

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Yeah. I guess the bit that came out was that you look at a community and you think that you understand it, or you think you kind of, you know, oh, these people are from there and that, this, and you know, all of this kind of stuff. And do you know, no one's got any ideas until they start having the conversations. And the bit that was brilliant is that clearly, regardless of what religion you are, regardless of the fact that you know there's an affiliation to the church that neither of us knew about in all this time, it's not about that, it's about people being in need, people having gaps in their life that someone else can help them fill. And that was the main driver, and I think that's a main driver across a lot of our hubs. And they were talking about the disadvantage that people feel, and kind of almost these are my words and not theirs, but like the scarring that happens because of that, and how do we help build people up when they've struggled for so long? And the bread and butter's place, really, isn't it, to try and help build people up because they've been struggling, you know, there's brews that can do that, and volunteering and just getting out and being more social, but then there's equally like let's not let people get there, like it's it's really terrible to think that people are going to be in crisis, so let's try and stop them.

SPEAKER_00 24:14

Yeah, and just going back to your point, I think about neither of us, and let's just recognise this again. Neither of us knew that this was a place of worship. I think that is just bloody genius, genuinely. That what was it she says? We practice, we don't preach as well.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

I I always thought it was a community centre, and it so I'm I'm yeah, I'm just staggered by it, it's just brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

But we, you know, we do put a lot of effort into making sure that we're in a community where we can genuinely add value for the right people, and that we're in a building which is inclusive to all types of people in the community.

SPEAKER_04 24:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:52

And we wouldn't have gone into a place that we didn't think could achieve that. So, right from the get-go, we were thinking, well, this is inclusive and everybody wants to be here.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:03

And they do loads in that place. There's there's so much that goes on.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Tons. And it's all credit to them. I do love it. And they were so on message, they were so on message with the dignity, and it it is good for people to be able to just afford their own food and be able to stand on their own two feet, etc. It's just fantastic that they bought into that and recognize it as well.

SPEAKER_03 25:28

I'm really good for knowing that we're not a food bank.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

The amount of people that call us a food bank just without thinking. And we're really fundamentally different to a food bank. So it's lovely to hear them telling us that.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

Yeah. Have you ever listened to the Radio 4 program just a minute?

SPEAKER_03 25:45

No, I don't think I have.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

What you have to do, it's it's one of the 630 funnies. What you have to do is speak for 60 minutes on a topic without hesitation, deviation, or repetition, right? I think we're going through a lot of repetition because that it was brilliant that they were recognising everything that the dignity, people having to pay for food on debt. There's so many things that we could recognise. It's showing that there's an underlying pattern that food clubs are definitely a more fair and balanced way of trying to address food insecurity than letting people drop off a cliff and then deal with them in crisis.

How To Connect And Get Involved

SPEAKER_03 26:27

Definitely agree. And I am now thinking at the next team meetings that we do, can we do a just a minute on the bread and butter thing and make it into a make it into a game for the team? I feel like this is I'm I'm working on this idea. I've got work to do to make this happen. So if you'd like to know more about the bread and butter thing and what we get up to, you can find us at Team TBBT on Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, or LinkedIn or online at breadandbutthing.org.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

And if you have any feedback or thoughts on the podcast or you would like to come and be a guest and have a natter and a brew with us, then drop us an email at podcast at breadandbutterthing.org.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

And we're always open to new members at all of our hubs. So if you or someone you know would benefit from our affordable food scheme, you can find your nearest hub on the Become a Member page of the website.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

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SPEAKER_03 27:37

See ya.