Navigating Controversy with Carolyn Stine

In this episode, Em, Lex chat with Messaging & Storytelling Coach Carolyn Stine about the challenges of navigating controversy while being coaches. Carolyn offers tips on navigating those moments thoughtfully and looking within yourself and your own goals to help along the way.

Here’s what you’ll learn: 

• Hear how Carolyn Stine started her own coaching business
• Em and Carolyn’s relationship and journey into coachingHow Carolyn’s life journey led down the  path of being a coach
• The steps Carolyn took to honor the coach within herself
• Tips on navigating controversy as a coach while promoting your offer
• Tips on navigating controversy in the world of coaching overall and how that can impact a business
• And more!

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Transcript

Emily Merrell  

Hi, Lex.

Lexie Smith  

I am and Hi, Carolyn. Katie.

Emily Merrell  

We always kick things off with the hi I'm Hi Lex. And now we've got a special guest guys.

Lexie Smith  

We will not tois Yeah,

Emily Merrell  

I was gonna I was gonna make inappropriate comments but I'm glad Lexi's

Lexie Smith  

there are deeper brain went there.

Emily Merrell  

We can blame a lot of things on fever. But the reality is it exists. Guys, we have a first off. Hello Season Two. We're here. It's when did we start our podcast? Lexi last year?

Lexie Smith  

Keep asking me hard questions. Okay,

Emily Merrell  

we started a podcast guys. And I guess now we're at like 1000 episodes. And here we are in season two. And we are so excited. And guys, this is very special. I have known this guest for how many years? 24 years of my life. I know that was hard to do math. I did. Actually fun journaling thing I recognize today we've been out of high school for 18 years. I was like oh my god, that's insane.

Carolyn Stine  

Oh, that's why and I'm generally not adept at math at all. So I appreciate you crunching the numbers on our behalf. But that's not nothing.

Emily Merrell  

There Lauren and I were in like the slower math group. There was three different tiers of math and higher English was slower math, and so you know where our brain lies in that part. But I am so excited to have the fabulous, amazing, wonderful, very special human being Carolyn spine on today's episode of the ReadySet. Coach podcast.

Carolyn Stine  

Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here. Hello from Mexico City. Hi, two amazing ladies. It is like a freaking honor and a pleasure for me to be here.

Lexie Smith  

I feel like the third wheel today a little bit because you guys these. These are like childhood BFFs. So I'll like interject here and they're like, hey,

Emily Merrell  

hey, hey, I'm here. I'm here.

Lexie Smith  

I'm here. But I do want to say that you guys should share a little bit more of your Inception story without I will also ring you guys in a little bit because we have 30 minutes but I do want to hear to your guys's transition into coaching because I know it's interconnected.

Emily Merrell  

All all start by lax. You could have sat with us in high school. We were fun and cool. In the library, and or in the hallway adjacent to the library. Like I don't I think this is both of us care. We were just so intimidated to sit in like the chaos that was the lunchroom.

Carolyn Stine  

Oh my gosh, yeah, we were like all the cool people were and there was like all of the tables with the different groups and we were like, we're just gonna do our own thing. And it was glorious.

Emily Merrell  

We were so naive to like people supposedly, were doing cocaine within the backpacks. And we were just we were like innocent elves sitting in the library. Eating our lunches.

Carolyn Stine  

Oh, my Lord. Just don't know if I

Lexie Smith  

believe you guys. We're not like the social butterflies of high school.

Carolyn Stine  

Not at all. Not me. You are social than me. But no.

Emily Merrell  

I've heard crew in high school. So crew was like a club sport. So it was its own little cult kind of within within and then Carolyn was this. Oh my god, this amazing dancer. So our Carolyn's gonna tell us tell the origin story about us a little bit more.

Carolyn Stine  

Okay, see. So I grew up in Connecticut in like this tiny town that where we met and am moved when we were in middle school moved to our town from Florida. I want to say we were around 12 years old. And so we met in like our gloriously awkward heyday of our lives. And we're drawn to each other like moths to a flame.

Emily Merrell  

And I also want to say, she's like a beautiful Gazelle who was leading this these days. Everyone did dance in our town. It was a very weird town in that there was this. Just it was yeah, it was coltie like, it was actually it was this guy named Walter shock who was like, I mean, Carolyn, you know, no, you know more but I think he was like an X thought he was Broadway guy kind of chromogen could have been 50 could have been 90. I'm unsure still to this day what his age range was. And so we all did a And we all did Walter shock. And we all did dance and it was like these recycled dances, you know, with lightsabers sometimes. And fun fact about me is, you know, I might come off graceful guys, I just seem graceful. But I'm not. I'm very clumsy. So I was in the back row. And I remember, Carolyn literally would always be like the star student who would be gliding across like, she would be leading something. And then I would, I would be we had a lightsaber routine where we get it to the lights on and off like mine was on when I was supposed to be off. Anywho that's, that's

Lexie Smith  

so how did we get from our word dance classes to now you both are of your own accord very successful entrepreneurs and coaches. So I'm like fast forwarding. Decades here. You guys already dated yourself? I didn't not my bad, your bad. How did we get to where we're at today?

Emily Merrell  

Carolyn, I'll let you you take it. Okay. See,

Carolyn Stine  

I'm gonna give you the the short the short story on that. My background was we both moved to New York City after we graduated from college, we lived together for many years. I worked in the fashion industry for almost 10 years doing like E commerce, digital marketing, copywriting, like everything every which way. And I ended up at the very, let's see, it was the very beginning of 2018. Like as the years went by, just kind of like being in like the rat race in New York City. And like the doing energy and the like, I'm an independent woman energy, I was just like, something doesn't feel right. Something doesn't feel right. This doesn't feel good, this doesn't feel good, what's wrong, what's wrong, what's wrong, and it was just like manifesting in every single area of my life where I was like, this, isn't it? This isn't it, this isn't it. And I finally got to the point where I was like, so we're gonna burn this entire thing to the ground. And I broke up with my long term partner, I quit my like corporate job where I was making like, off fuck ton of money, I hope swearing is okay. And like prestigious company and all of the things. And I moved out of my Chelsea apartment, I was living on a friend's couch for a few months. And I was like, so if nobody, like, nobody's gonna come see me for my life. It is like entirely my responsibility if I want to feel better. And if I want to, like feel like I'm showing up to my life with like, a level of like, purpose and happiness XYZ, because I don't feel that now. And it's like about time I figured that out. That was when I was 30. And since then, long story again, very, very short, I've been on kind of my own journey of what it feels like to come home to myself. And through that my entrepreneurial journey kind of organically came about. And I originally in 2018, founded a digital content consulting company, firms working with brands to define, you know, like their brand voice, their brand strategy, their content strategy, their messaging XYZ. And it was really in 2020, like, amidst the chaos of the world that was 2020 that and like amidst a lot of, you know, beautiful communities of coaches, and like really coming into contact with that world for the first time that I was like, oh, like, I feel such a desire not to be working behind the scenes for these big brands, but I want to be helping these women in my world, because like, I love messaging, I love copywriting I love storytelling, like all of these things that I was like, this is the easiest and funnest part of business. But I kept continually hearing from women in my world and who I came into contact with was, it was truly the bane of their existence, it was something they were either spending a disproportionate amount of time and energy on, they're in their business, trying to speak to their offers trying to sell their offers trying to create content, and it wasn't working for the level they wanted it to, or they were being completely avoidant with this area of their business. And I kind of just had the light bulb moment of like, Oh, these are the people I want to help. And the rest is kind of history.

Emily Merrell  

And I want to also plug in from like the knowing side of you. I know being a coach wasn't always your vision, like it wasn't even on your radar for a very long time. Like, you've been thinking about the first introduction of coaches, I feel like in 2018 2019, we didn't know as many coaches as now everyone in their mom, including mine is a coach, and which is a fun joke, but it is a reality. So thinking about like, what, what were the steps that you took to kind of honor the the coach within you

Carolyn Stine  

see, well, for me, it was like the first step was like just identifying like the authentic desire, which even a few years prior I don't even think I had, like the degree of like closeness and connection to myself in my inner knowing to even have like, noticed desire when it came forth, right? So like being able to be really connected to myself to my intuition to my desires was probably the work that underlaid being able to even like receive that message. And I was like it, it just like came in like it came in high. It gave him like a wrecking ball and I was like Coach, like that's it. It was super clear. And then I was like I've never coached I've never been coached before. Like, I need to see what this is all about. And so in 2020, I signed up for three separate coaching containers, I was in a COVID mastermind, I had my first one on one coach, and I put myself in a group program. And I was like, okay, if I'm going to do this, like, I'm going to go all in, and I'm not just going to try to like, piece it together, I'm not going to guess I'm not going to leave something as important as my desire up to chance or like throwing spaghetti at the wall. And so I was like, Okay, I'm gonna, like strategically take on debt in my business, I'm going to invest in myself, like, I'm going to make moves. And by the end of the year, I was like, Okay, we're doing this. And at the very end of 2020, I launched my first coaching program, I, you know, like one on one coaching. And I started sending clients in January 2021. And like, the rest is history.

Lexie Smith  

I have a kind of follow up question to that hearing that went so full force in and you join different types of coaching containers. For that stage? Do you have any kind of takeaways or lessons learned for if someone's listening, and they are looking to invest in their first coaching container? Do you have a route you would suggest or things they can think through that now looking back, you wish you had known?

Carolyn Stine  

Yeah, absolutely. So I actually don't think there's one route or one pathway into making this work. I think that the most important thing you can do as an entrepreneur, especially as a new entrepreneur, is start to cultivate like a level of deep discernment within yourself. And like, again, feeling desire, trusting that pathway, and like making moves, even if it may feel illogical, even if people in your world might be like, I don't know, if that's the great option, but like, can you actually really trust yourself to move I think that, that and both knowing that, like, no matter what happens, you've got you and you're going to be okay, or probably I would say the two most important skill sets, you can really start like muscle, you can start to work as a business owner, which is really about like connection to self and creating safety internally. For me, like my ethos going into it, which hopefully this is helpful is, you know, I was like, I can't win if I don't get in the game. Like, there's only so much I can do from the sidelines here. And for me, that meant like twofold, one investing and like getting myself in these spaces. So I could feel, Oh, I like this, this doesn't work for me, like starting to like kind of feel like what the landscape was. And then also after that, putting my offer out there immediately not like sitting on it and trying to tweak and perfect and hone it XYZ. But like getting in the game and being like, the lessons to be learned aren't from the bench. And like, I'm gonna put this out there and get crickets for three months, I might put this out there and nobody ever signs up. And then I've launched something else. But either way, I'm going to be receiving valuable information. And kind of like adapt and flex and grow.

Emily Merrell  

And I think one of the things that you did really beautifully is you to your point, like you you moved fast. And it wasn't like you had the most beautiful, perfect website. And I we know, right? Like so many people. And we see this even with our clients that they they get so hung up on like the perfection of what it has to be the perception and the perception, the perfection, like it has to be perfect before I put it out where Lexie and I are a lot more of the like, Let's build the plane as we're flying it and hope like there's no mountain that comes in our way. You know, and so you did a great job of utilizing the tools that you had beyond, beyond like a website, I think social media, you really were able to shine and put your personality out there. So do you have any advice for people who again have this offer? And they want to message it, but they feel like they can't? Because they don't have a website?

Carolyn Stine  

Oh, yes, I see that all of the time as well, especially with newer entrepreneurs. It's like the specific things that I see the hang ups on. And I would say alongside website, like having like a professional website, right? Having a professional website, having like branding, like having a logo, having colors, have having a bigger, being seen by more people XYZ, like these are things especially at the very beginning of your business that have I would say little to no impact on you being able to actually build a business that converts and as profitable, something that you can grow into and sustain. I think that actually, those are things that you need much later than people would often be told. And I think it's actually like not a productive use of a lot of people's not only time energy, but like precious funds at the beginning of a business as well. Because like I get it and I've also been there where you're like maybe not everybody had this experience but I was like I don't have access to a lot of money here. I'm leaning on my savings, I'm going into debt XYZ but I was like, No, this is right. So so we move from a messaging perspective, I would say that the coaching phase overall is nowhere near saturated, like nowhere near saturated Right. Like I think we're only going to see very much continue to grow and expand over the next few years like we are still in at the ground level. And I also know that people who have been in it over the past few years like feel feel how many more people are in the game and have felt the marketplace shift. And so for somebody who's coming in from the beginning, like, I think that the most important thing that you can be doing from a foundational perspective and also like a monetization perspective, is showing up and sharing about not just your work, but like your brand and who you are in a way that is as like unique and differentiated and like, aligned with who you are as possible. Because like how you cope with the noise and shine and activate people in your audience. However small, you know, isn't through fancy things like having a website or having a cool logo or XYZ, or the volume of social media content you put out or like reels versus carousels. None of that shit matters. None of that shit matters. You can build a seven figure business using any number of tools. But people need to very much understand who you are connected to have shared emotional territory with your value system, resonate with your story and see why this offer that you offer is unique and differentiated and thus is right for them. So I would say like your time, your energy, your funds, especially at the beginning would be best served, honing that skill set and achieving mastery there and being consistent.

Lexie Smith  

And you know, what we didn't even do are bad as interviewers, can you tell us what type of coach you are and introduce to everyone listening? I think they've kind of picked up on your expertise. But like, let's put it out officially, because I think exactly what you're speaking to speaks to your expertise.

Emily Merrell  

This is a Blue's Clues episode, are you? Together? We're out and then we will yet unveil it in our

Carolyn Stine  

I don't know. I can't share that with you. It's a secret. I've been dropping like, I've been dropping clues. Yes. Okay. Hi. I'm Carolyn. I've been messaging and storytelling coach for few business owners and entrepreneurs. And I help you to create unique, memorable and deeply impactful messaging that not only grows your business in a tangible way and converts clients, so you are able to bring consistent soulmate clients consistent revenue in the door, but feels so fully expressed and authentic for you to create. And oh.

Lexie Smith  

I don't even think we'll re edit that. I think this was great. I think it was like this build up, right? And then it was like everyone's like, wait, wait, wait, what is she? What is she? Yes. Okay, messaging expert, kind of building off of what M said, one of the topics we want to get into today, which you're the perfect person to talk to you about is Okay, so let's talk to now you've launched your business, you're starting to really play around with messaging. One thing that has come up a lot I know, and I'm in the PR space, too. So I see it from that lens. Is this fear of saying the wrong thing? This fear of getting canceled this fear of backlash? So can you walk us through how you navigate, showing up authentically without I mean, like point blank getting, quote, unquote, canceled?

Or getting canceled?

Emily Merrell  

or navigating? Cancel?

Carolyn Stine  

Yes, I love this question so much. And this has been something that is so like, alive within me that actually last quarter, I started a live content series on Instagram called uncensored and now there's an entire season that's up now you can click to it, I have a series page for it on my Instagram profile. But the this conversation is so relevant, and so topical. And I think there's no business owner, or quite frankly, even people who work in corporate XYZ who haven't had this thought process, especially when you look at it in the context of becoming more and more visible and being more and more authentically and fully expressed in your messaging for your business. Right. So this, I would say is probably the number one fear that I hear from people, especially at the beginning, especially like, when you're in the space of being like, Okay, I know, I need to share my story. And I know I need to let people in on who I am and what I believe, but I'm scared. And it's a very real fear. And it like even if you think about it from like a psychology and like neurology perspective as well, like, it is so fundamentally within our nature as humans to want to belong, like it's a coordinate of people, right? And this is why so often we repress this is like a child, a childhood wounding thing for many of us as well. But like we so often repress and opress our authenticity in favor of attachment, right in favor of belonging in favor of getting along with the group, right? So we have to also recognize, I think, in this process that we need to give each other grace because and give ourselves grace, in all honesty, because we're we're almost in a way like going against evolutionary impulses here. So we know that this is like a muscle that we have to work and You are never going to that's very hyperbolic. But like, it's going to be very challenging for you to distinguish yourself and to build a really, really scalable, like not just brand, but like business tribe community of diehard fans, if they don't have something really deep and real to connect with you on. So in all honesty, I would say going off of what I'm said about like, maybe you do get cancelled. I think that what people are generally hungry for right now like craving craving craving right now and thus incredibly attracted to is realness is being uncensored is being unapologetically yourself and being unfiltered. And so we almost have to be like, You know what, yeah, I might get canceled. Like, yeah, I might say something wrong. But because we're also living in such like a sanitized and like a culture that's like very much now not promoting open discourse and conversation and is really, honestly censoring or pressing and pressing that, like, I think it's actually more important than ever, to in an authentic way, not in a way where we're like trying to, like poke the bear feeling like we have to be controversial in order to, in order to grow our business, like it needs to be authentic, and it needs to be embodied, so that you can hold yourself through that, right, because it like is a frequency of truth. But I think that we need to almost be like, Yeah, okay, I could get canceled. I could say something wrong, I could ask the wrong question. I could not ask the right. Like, I could not ask a question when I should. But if I am showing up as my full self, if I'm fully expressed, and I am also doing it in service of people like that's actually going to be the thing that's going to grow and build a sustainable business for me and create something that lasts. And again, going back to like the core tenet of like, no matter what happens, I got me.

Lexie Smith  

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Lexie here, and M. And if you haven't

Lexie Smith  

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Emily Merrell  

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Lexie Smith  

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Emily Merrell  

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Lexie Smith  

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Emily Merrell  

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Lexie Smith  

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Carolyn Stine  

there because that was a riff.

Emily Merrell  

No. So it's very much like a what I'm hearing from it is like a lot of self love and a lot of self knowing. And also like, if the other people if they feel strongly in this direction, like they're not my people, if they feel strongly in this direction, like they are my people in it. It's a it's a quality over quantity type of situation to me, when I'm hearing from you, it's like, by keeps you speaking your truth. It's not making you a fan base, necessarily. It's making you a dedicated fan base of the people who are the right clients.

Carolyn Stine  

Yeah, and those, I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to Oh, go ahead. I was gonna say this goes for every area of your life. It's about authentic relationship building. And we cannot build authentic relationships and connections with other humans if we're not being fully ourselves, right? Like, you're not going to meet your soulmate. That way, you're not going to meet your soulmate tribe of friends. That way, you're not going to meet your soulmate tribe of clients that way, either. And yes, you're showing up fully express and saying the damn things you want to say? Yeah, some people may hate you for that. But in that fullness of your expression, that's when the right people for you are going to fall in love with you. And that is what you are looking for. If you're looking to actually build something where people are not It's not only about conversion, and then consistently coming in the door. But that's when you actually build not just a clients, but like a community, a tribe of diehard fans who will literally buy anything you sell, sharing your work or event evangelists for you and your work, and are like deeply connected to and committed to what you stand for.

Lexie Smith  

So let's speak to the coach who maybe I'm gonna use the word controversy or strong emotion or strong opinions isn't maybe innately a part of their DNA. And like truly, they don't have like they do care about something strongly. But when it comes to their respective field, they don't have opinions that always rock the boat. Do they need to come up with ways to like, come up, you know, talk to me about how if we're not innately like controversial, how can we still differentiate ourselves and feel authentic without feeling the pressure to like, share more than is authentic for us to share?

Carolyn Stine  

100% So, again, it's about being fully yourself, not about a should or should not like the vibe isn't should or should not it's like, want or not want. It's like Do or do not, you know what I mean? So you have to, you have to approach everything in a way that it is fully and truly you. But I think also the invitation is then to take a look at, like, where do you need to peel away strip away what's not you so you can be super, super clear on your portraits, your core values. And maybe that's like playing in like, I talked about, like the medical system in my like, on my Instagram and in my emails and like all kinds of other things all the time, because it's super aligns for me. And it like resonates so deeply with like my core people in my community. And it pisses a lot of people off too. But I'm like, Okay, we're doing we're doing our job here. Yes. But like, that doesn't always mean that you need to insert yourself in larger cultural conversations that aren't necessarily like relevant to you like that you don't feel strongly about just to like, just to again, like pull that lever in your business, you have to really come back to a place of like, core truth core embodiment, like, what do I really believe? Like a business has to really be like, what do I really believe in? What does this brand stand for? And like, that's what you're really starting to speak to. And then that's something you just get to, like play with and dial up in a way that feels good for you. So it's not like, okay, have to like, talk about politics or not talk about politics or like this conversation is trending. So I need to insert myself in order to be relevant, relevant in my business that's just like persona and facade all over again, that's like the frequency of not truth. And like people aren't going to inherently resonate that I think with that, I think, on the level that you want to so again, it comes back to like, personal discernment and being like, what am I here to say? What is my brand here to say and being like, that's what I'm going to follow?

Emily Merrell  

Do you have any advice for people who they to Lexi's point, they're like, I don't even know what to talk about. I know what my values are. But you would do a really good job of digging deep into the bulk of stories and sharing stories. Do you have any tips for people to dig deeper into find and kind of harvest those stories from the past and utilize them for the future?

Carolyn Stine  

Yeah, I mean, honestly, especially like, at this moment in time in the industry, the coaching industry, in particular, as it is like there are more and more people entering this world, like a brand storytelling is more important than ever, that's like the ultimate differentiator because your lived experience belongs to only you. So this is a mayor work really, really closely with my clients on and it's a little bit different for everyone, because everybody has different experiences. But I would say like some like overall, excuse me, more general things is number one that you are like, there is no person who's not sitting on a goldmine. And a lot of people are often like, I don't know what he's talking about, I have nothing to talk about. And I'm like, so often we think we need to have these big, like, The Dark Night of the Soul moments that like the moments where everything changed, or like this really hard time. And so they're like, we'll only have one or two of those on our total stories. What the fuck else do I talk about. And I think this is where we need to come back to and really start to mind like the tiny, tiny, mundane, ordinary moments of our day to day lives, where like, the things that we stand for are playing out, you know, where like, we were in a place in the past, in probably a million places, you have a million of these stories where your ideal clients are now like the tiny moments of your life where you are, like embodied and living your message that you can share. So I think it's just also like a reframe for everybody that like you're you're sitting on more stories, more messages, more content that you could possibly share in your lifetime. Even if you posted consistently and had like a robot doing it for you. You just have to remember that it's all already there. And the small moments can be just as poignant as like the larger bigger stories.

Lexie Smith  

Okay, so Kaylee, Please edit that out? Okay, so let's say someone is brave enough to finally share a story or share something. And, you know, as much as they've tried to do the self work, the columns start pouring in, or they don't that can also be triggering, right? How do you start to navigate the reaction if it's not what you expect, or if it's volatile, or if it's negative in any way, any just general tips or mindset reframes on how to navigate the reaction? See,

Carolyn Stine  

I think that something that's a great filter, and again, like it is all about your discernment as like the leader of your business, and somebody who's sharing anything in any context, in a relationship in your life, always. But I think that's something that's really important prior to sharing, especially if it's, especially if it's personal, especially if it's like an elements of your story, something you believe in XYZ is like, you have to really get right with yourself and be really honest with yourself beforehand and be like, am I sharing this from a clean place where like, no matter what the reaction is, I'm good. Where as like, on the flip side, something that I see a lot of the time is like, people might be sharing something like really reactively when it's still really fresh for them. And they're like, this is where I see people kind of using like social media like their diary. You know what I mean? We're like, you're almost looking for validation, you're like, I'm feeling this, I want to get some like love in the comments XYZ, I'm like, That's not clean. That's not a clean energy. It's like being in a conversation with like a partner or someone you care about. And instead of being like, I just need to feel fully expressing this need and desire, regardless of what their response is you're like, but this needs to be the answer for me to be okay. Like, do you feel the difference in that? So I think that we have to be like, super clean with what we're sharing first and foremost, and be like, Okay, if I get positive responses, if I get zero responsive, I get negative responses, like, I'm good, I've got me. So like, that has to feel good. And then from there, I think we have to just remember, as business owners, like, you're so much bigger than one post, just like you're so much bigger than one offer, just like you're so much bigger than one launch and like having a successful business. And it is in no way contingent on like, any one of these micro moments, like you're in it for the long game, you're here for the long haul. And I think that like anchoring into that is really important. While also remembering, especially if you're getting like negative feedback, like you've got you, it generally when you get negative feedback has nothing to do with you. Just like in IRL. It's, it's, it's a them thing, not a huge thing, generally. And they're projecting something on you and like you just happen to be the target especially like, you know, a stranger or whatever it is on the internet. So again, I think that really comes back to that like cultivating the not to get too much into like masculine and feminine polarity and dynamics, but like cultivating your inner masculine so that you feel so safe and rooted to withstand whatever comes your way. Yeah, I

Emily Merrell  

so agree with that. A lot of times those triggers are typically something that are not going on in your life. It's something that's going on in their lives, maybe they're feeling less than or they're not feeling brave enough. And so they're like, Well screw this girl for being brave and saying the thing that she wants to I want to see this thing, but I can't. So I'm gonna go wild in the comments. And this is a safe place for me to hide behind an internet name and have fun fun there. So I so appreciate I appreciate your boldness, I appreciate the idea of being clean with it and knowing like when you throw it out there in the world, like you have to be at peace with it versus the validation because I have definitely seen those diary entries where they're like, I'm at rock bottom help. You're like this is not the place this is. This is great, but I'm I feel like we need to email some friends right now for help instead. But, Carolyn, I want to know, can you share with our listeners the best way to find out more information about you and continue their connection with Miss Carolyn Stein?

Carolyn Stine  

Oh my gosh, yes. Instagram is probably the place that I am most like alive in my business, at least right now. And my instagram handle is at Carolyn B. Stein. I have. They're such a treasure trove. They're both like on my feed. There are tons of trainings I have like multiple freebies, if you go to the link in my bio, you can do the free to express challenge, which is a four day free social media challenge. You can plug into provocateur, which is a free four day energetic and messaging training. And also just like send me a DM reach out like I love meeting new people and connecting to people and whether like we're working together or not is completely irrelevant. I would love to say hi and also hear if there was anything that was a particularly juicy takeaway from this conversation.

Emily Merrell  

I love it. I love it. I love it. Well, we're so grateful to have you here. Thank you for being our debut guests on season two

of the ready said coach, podcast cast.

Lexie Smith  

We're still doing the thing, guys,

Carolyn Stine  

if any. That was beautiful.

Emily Merrell  

Thank you can see us in concert next month. Have a wonderful day everyone.

Bye.

Emily Merrell  

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