Kingdom Case 13: How To Become a Man of God | Apostle Luis Nunez

Summary
In this conversation, Apostle Louis discusses the calling and development of a man of God. He explains that becoming an apostle or prophet is a process that requires maturity and growth in different ministries. He emphasizes the importance of being called by God and being sent by a spiritual authority. He also discusses the difference between the office of a prophet and the gift of prophecy. Apostle Louis shares his personal journey of transformation from a life of sin to becoming a man of God, highlighting the role of prayer, encounter with God, and the support of his wife and spiritual mentors. He emphasizes the need for a personal relationship with God and being led by the Holy Spirit. Apostle Louis also explains the childlike faith and mindset required to inherit the kingdom of God. He shares the challenges and blessings of marriage, including the need for a renewed mind and the growth that comes from being accountable to a spouse. The conversation explores the dynamics of marriage and leadership within the context of faith. Luis emphasizes the importance of seeking God and preparing oneself before getting married. He shares his own experience of marrying a prophet and the need to grow spiritually and mature in character to align with his wife's calling. Luis also discusses the role of ego in relationships and the need to crush it in order to serve and honor one another. He highlights the blessings that come from serving the man or woman of God and the importance of humility and recognizing the calling and gifting in others. The conversation also touches on the topic of finances and the need to motivate and support one another's success.

Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Ministry Overview

02:57
Understanding the Calling of Apostles

05:25
The Calling of Prophets and the Importance of Encounter with God

09:06
Leaving the World and Reconciling with God

13:02
The Process of Becoming a Man of God

18:59
Childlike Faith and Inheriting the Kingdom of God

25:04
Marriage as a Source of Spiritual Growth

31:49
Seeking God and Preparation in Marriage

36:21
Crushing Ego and Embracing Humility in Relationships

38:36
The Blessings of Serving the Man or Woman of God

51:30
The Kingdom Secret to Success: Faith, Prayer, and Relationship with God

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Transcript

Jethro Casie (00:01.697)
Pastor of Mars Ministry, Mars standing for making a real sacrifice. From gathering in a living room to conducting service to recently a new building, this man of God and ministry led by his wife, led by him and his wife, focus on equipping and empowering you on your path of faith. Whether you want to grow in your faith or dive into the prophetic, they will help you grow spiritually. Lastly, his fire isn't just Holy Ghost Fire alone,

luis (00:03.998)
Yes.

Jethro Casie (00:31.371)
but also in the kitchen where you can eat fresh, healthy, delicious meals at Vita Aterne Kitchen. I welcome Apostle Louis to Case by Casey.

luis (00:37.313)
Yes. Thank you. God bless. How are you?

Jethro Casie (00:42.525)
Yeah, I'm doing wonderful man of God. And I want to start off with what does it mean to to be an apostle? Because I think a lot of people, especially as they're growing in faith, as me as well as I'm growing in faith, think having a good understanding of where everybody is in the body of Christ and what God has called them to be. So I guess just to start off, how did you know you were called to be apostle? And then, yeah.

luis (00:53.132)
Yeah.

luis (00:58.231)
Mm -hmm.

luis (01:04.007)
Right, yeah, definitely. Let me see. When I was in church, when I was my young days, a preacher came to the church. He said, you're going to be a great evangelist. So he told me. So I stood by that because I am an evangelist and I was playing how everything falls into place. I am an evangelist. The word of God says for all of us to do the work of the evangelist, right? But an evangelist is forcing the five core ministry, which is a past or the thumb.

which is the one that goes out and breaks in the pioneers, like Christopher Columbus discovering things, for example. Then you got the prophet, the one that points the direction, this finger, and says, no, don't do that, or come over here, let me correct you. It guides you, the church or the people. And you got the evangelist, which is the middle finger that gathers the people, it's the big finger in the hand. Then you got the pastor that marries the church, right? raises up disciples and things like that, know, and feeds the sheep.

And all those things. And you got the teacher that gets in your ears to take out all errors, all wrong doctrine and teaches you the Word of God and makes you into a disciple. So you got these five book callings, you know, and let's say the apostle, you don't start out as an apostle like that because you just can't be a boss without first, you know, washing dishes and then we're waiting in the tables and this and those things. So it's same thing as an apostle. You don't just land in it. You work and mature your way into it.

So I started as an evangelist, like all apostles did. We love Jesus, we love to evangelize. And then God will gradually graduate you as you mature, where you will become a pastor, where you plant the church. And then when you plant other churches, then you're like a person that breaks through. So the apostle is like the thumb of the callin', in that sense. And this callin' you can find in Ephesians 4 .11. says that Jesus, when He ascended, He gave gifts unto man, some to be apostles, some to be prophets.

teachers, evangelists, and so on. Not everybody is, but are some. So by the grace of God, I got us coming to be an apostle to the nations, but I'm not up there yet. You know what I'm saying? I'm growing my way up there because there are many apostles that have the title, but they don't have the function. With me, it's the opposite. I have the function of the apostle, but I don't have the title yet because I have not been sent by my apostle, Gideon Madonamo in Kinshites, Miami. When he sends me,

Jethro Casie (03:14.195)
Mmm.

luis (03:25.566)
then I'm really sent from heaven. You get what I'm saying? Like that's it. You have an authority upon you. That's how it works. So when I'm doing the pastoral function until the Lord says, you know, it is time to go deeper and things like that.

Jethro Casie (03:31.763)
Mm. Mm.

Jethro Casie (03:39.521)
So with that, guess, how do we identify that in somebody? Let's say somebody is listening and they're like, or what, so also I guess if somebody has a desire to be an apostle, but let's say, like how you said, every apostle starts off as an evangelist. Can I desire to be, can I desire, because I know I'm a preacher. So can I desire to be an apostle and God will.

luis (03:50.377)
Okay.

luis (03:56.134)
Right.

Jethro Casie (04:06.155)
give me that, guess, I don't know if it's office is the correct word or function, but is that possible or is it more so like you have the calling and then you need to grow into that?

luis (04:08.201)
Okay? Yeah.

luis (04:16.132)
Yeah, I can say I want to be a prophet because those callings in the five callings like I told you is given by God from birth. You don't choose to be one. You are one because you're born. But the one I got speaks about those who decide to be a bishop on overseer have to be, you you find the first timid they believe it is a man of character and not drunkard and not lying on a thief, you know, has characteristic for you to be a man of God.

within the church. could be an overseer, which is like a bishop. It's like a type of an apostle, but you mature into that one. But that person cannot be an apostle because apostles are called by God from birth like prophets. I can't say I'm gonna be a prophet tomorrow. I don't got the grace. I don't got the calling that God gave me. It's not gonna work out for me. So that's how it is. In some courts you do mature into it like mines in the sense, know.

Jethro Casie (05:12.075)
And so I guess, because in the Bible it also talks about like, so like, for example, like Elisha, when he became a prophet, like he wasn't born a prophet, I think it says in Amos, he was like, I was, I was neither born a prophet nor the son of the prophet. So can people, can people become prophets in that case? Or is it only a calling from birth? is it, and I'm still trying to learn. So is it different from like the office of a prophet versus just being a prophet? Or does every also, does every,

luis (05:25.393)
Yes.

luis (05:38.616)
Right Okay No, it's fine. I love these questions. This is what I teach I live this so in the situation of Amos if God called you then that's it You know, but you can auto name yourself I'm a prophet when God has never spoken to you or you can can't have the title function without you ever being called by God

Jethro Casie (05:41.313)
part of the ministry, of the fivefold ministry have its own office. So I know I threw a lot of questions at you, but.

Jethro Casie (06:01.493)
Mmm. Mmm.

luis (06:05.626)
But like Amos, know, God said, want you for whatever reason it was. So then he became God's prophet at that season. You get what I'm saying? It's like when God called Moses and then God called Aaron his brother, he says, you will be a God unto Aaron and I will be a prophet unto you. Meaning to speak for the people. So Moses will speak and Aaron was Moses' prophet. But see, God ordained that for them. So that's fine. But if you're not God ordained, it's never gonna work.

Jethro Casie (06:22.376)
Mm. Mm.

luis (06:34.679)
It's not going to work out. Now there are different, different, the prophetic is, is in the gifting of the Holy Spirit. Remember Jesus gave five gifts unto men. We spoke about him, but the Holy Spirit gives nine gifts also unto men. And one of those is to prophesy, you know, to utter things like that. And those people that prophesied that are not prophets that don't have the office of a prophet, when the anointing comes, when the press of God is thick and heavy, they get utterance from the Holy Spirit. And then they prophesy.

that's different from the office of a prophet. Like my wife, she has the office of a prophet. She doesn't need a harp to be playing. She doesn't need to be in church or the anointing to be high up, like, you know, in the situation. She can just say, Cassie, I see this, I see that, because it's like, it's the higher powers. She's connected directly to the source. You get it? Opposed to having the prophetic gifting. And nowadays, many people have a sharp prophetic gifting.

But people call them prophets and they believe it, but they're not prophets. So it's very delicate, it's very thin line.

Jethro Casie (07:38.251)
And then with prophets, they need to have an, so do they need to have like an encounter with God to be considered a prophet? Cause like you mentioned that to be an apostle, have like the, have to be sent by an apostle. You have to be approved by an apostle.

luis (07:53.878)
Yeah, yeah, so officially, yeah, you gotta be sent by the apostle. Yes. Yes. That's what biblical, what it is.

Jethro Casie (07:57.473)
So, and is it the same with prophets? Do you have to be not maybe not sent by a prophet, like God has to, you have to have an encounter with God to be considered a prophet.

luis (08:07.935)
Right. So a prophet personally has to have an encounter with God because how can I preface that to you when I can hear God for myself? That's what the prophet, it has to be, they're shaping it in darkness. They're shaping it by loneliness, rejection. They got to be alone with God all the time. So that way they can hear from God. And when they come to you, not be afraid of men and will prophesy the word of the Lord. So prophets, yeah, my wife had an encounter with the Lord when my wife, maybe one day could bring her here because she's

She has a lot to say possibly more than me because he came first to the Lord and I reconciled later. Maybe she could sharpen the prophetic gift more. So therefore she was in the shower literally. She heard a voice from heaven. said, that's what was that? She ran out the shower. That's how she was afraid of the voice. That's what that was her encounter with God. Say, I called you as a prophet to the nations and your life as of today will change from there on. It's like, you're like, she became a totally different person. Obviously God gave them the job to seek.

the Lord, know, educate himself in the Bible, go to church, get baptized, all friends, know, serve the Lord. And then mature into the person she is now. So it's like a baby, you're called, but you got to work your way up there, you know. So what I got to show yourself and prove unto God, knowing how to rightly divide the scriptures, you know, so, cause he's a prophet, he has to know how to read the Bible and interpret the Bible. You get what I'm saying? Now, apostles also have, I got to have an encounter with the Lord. Apostles have a tremendous love for Jesus. You get what I'm saying?

That's the calling. Bring the people to Jesus. The prophet is bring the hearts of people to God. You catch what I'm saying? That's how kind of, you know, I don't know I said it right, but yeah, that's what it is.

Jethro Casie (09:47.957)
Yeah, no, I'm catching, I'm catching. So I guess with your, with you and your story with your wife and the focus on like how to become a man of God, were you guys dating before you were saved? Were you guys together before you were saved and then you kind of grew together? Were you guys saved? But maybe like some people were like lukewarm and then obviously they have the encounter with God and you grow that. So in terms of like developing to the man of God, who was a apostle, pastor?

luis (10:06.698)
Right. Good question.

Jethro Casie (10:16.129)
before he really encountered God and how did he develop into the man of God.

luis (10:17.416)
Okay, so.

Definitely, love that. It's my testimony, basically. I'll give you the short version. I grew up in church since Dominican Republic. When I came here, I grew up in church, it's what I know. But my teenage years, 12th grade of high school and all, or ninth grade and all, whatever, I started seeing things outside that I started to like, the hangouts, the girls, the money, the clothing. So my eyes went away from the Lord, and now I'm gonna say I lost the fear of God. So therefore, when I was gonna make decisions already,

I started being in the streets. So I started this business. I used to sell nut crackers back then. You know what that is? It's basically alcohol, drink, and juice. You probably see people drink, and they have different names, called a nutcracker, at least at that time in my time. So I started making that, and I started selling it, and I made a business out of that. And then after that, my wife was actually helping me out, because remember, I'm a reconciled guy, and my wife never knew the Lord until she had that encounter. So we started the business together.

Jethro Casie (11:17.057)
okay.

luis (11:19.167)
She didn't know better. was the part of her son. She didn't know better. It was me that got her into that. So we're working together, but for whatever reason, we broke up, right? But then when we broke up, that's when got colder. She started going to church. She had her own counter. But me, that's when I started making money. I was living in a different lifestyle. Lost completely the fear of God. I started sending drinks all over the place, so five boroughs, 24 -7. I started to meet more girls and more girls. I was very promiscuous back then.

and more people. So I forgot about church completely and God. I was just making money and having fun. was young.

Jethro Casie (11:55.113)
So, so pastor during this time where people was anybody like tugging on you, whether it's family, was God still trying to, obviously he probably was still trying to reach out to you, but what did that look like if like when you were in that scenario, maybe looking back.

luis (12:04.091)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Definitely, I mean, my mother would pray for me at the time. And then my current wife now, Prafawanda, because God told her I was gonna be her husband. She prayed for me for three years. So the three years I was in the streets hustling, going crazy, my mother and my wife now were always praying for me. Come back, leave that alone, come back, come back. And obviously, you still have to feel the Lord use somehow, somewhat. And I met people along the way. I was ashamed to be called a Christian because I wasn't living the lifestyle. So when I'm with girls,

are you Christian? I'll like, I don't know, no, I'm not a Christian. And that would break my heart because I'm like, you know, I am, but I'm playing games over here. So therefore, you know, in that season, you know, you know, it opened more doors to sin, that business that I had. Selling liquor to minors, meeting girls everywhere. I was in a Mercedes Benz S -Class with no shirt off, meeting girls. It was easy. was, you know, I was built back then. It was easy. And the sin was in my face.

Jethro Casie (13:02.646)
Yeah.

luis (13:07.078)
That's why I got caught up in. So then when my wife converted, she went the opposite, because know, the way I got to that the flesh and the spirit have nothing in common. So I was serving the devil wholeheartedly, but she was serving the Lord wholeheartedly. So then three years passed by, we'll talk back and forth like that. And then until the Lord started working in my heart, it was like a six month process that God said, hey, I'm calling you now. And I felt the emptiness.

Sleeping with girls is like the same thing. You go to the club, the same dab, same thing. I got bored of it. I say, and I come home and I cry three in the morning. And I say, look, what do I feel like this? This is not life. I don't want this anymore. So God started working in my heart until I reconciled with the Lord because my wife told me, listen, you got three months. That time, you know, she was a Christian. was just, but we knew we were for each other. I might give you three months for you to change. An ultimatum she gave me. If you don't change, you'll never see me again.

And that was like an arrow in my heart. I said, this one's for real. I'm gonna lose my future wife. So at that time I was the three girls, you know, and she was one of because I was just talking to her, you know, we wasn't doing anything, but I was doing something with the other girls. She was church. So she would, you know, we'll hang out sometimes and talk and she'll advise me. So then I said, man, I gotta change. So that's when I reconciled God in a seven day conference and I left it completely. And then we said, you know what, we're for each other. I'm back, let's just get married.

so we don't fall into sin, because then we're gonna get married anyways. So then that was like in August, in December we got married, that same year.

Jethro Casie (14:38.081)
So how long did you know your wife before you guys got married?

luis (14:41.434)
Okay, so I met her through mutual friends since like 2006, for years. Yeah, and we married in 2012. So, you know, so we, knew her for a while already before I married her. Cause remember I knew her for like, I knew her for like two, three years and then three years of me in the streets without her. You get it? And then that's when we got married after that. So I kind of knew her for a while already.

Jethro Casie (14:49.782)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (15:00.403)
Mm. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (15:06.601)
And when you're so you're on this process of becoming a man of God and let's say somebody's because I've been there as well in terms of like being promiscuous and it's very relatable because it gets to a point where or I think when God's calling you gets to a point where the sin isn't like fulfilling anymore. You're actually feeling like it's like emptying you out versus I think at first when people start drinking or smoking or fornicating, it's like fun. But after a while, it's actually starts to drain you. And I would love for you to touch upon that in terms of like

luis (15:13.047)
Yeah. Yeah.

luis (15:23.752)
Exactly. Yes.

luis (15:29.462)
Yes.

luis (15:36.938)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. So I would go to the clubs and I'd feel empty. I'd wow, the same people, same thing. I just got bored and tired of it. So at that moment, I had like girls everywhere. So I just stopped calling girls. That's what I remember with three girls, which is my wife now, which I was talking to other girls I was with. And I was just tired. I brought it down. You know, I stopped to hang out so much. I was getting bored of it. You know, I said, God changed. But I was praying. Because when I had to the Lord some more, I had to pray, Father, change me. I don't want to live this life. I was getting scared already.

Jethro Casie (15:37.652)
It's yeah.

luis (16:05.88)
And God started working my heart. Then I started going back to church, you know, with my wife, she invited me one day. And one day I said, I'm going over there, because it's Saturday night, I make like $2 ,000 tonight, why would go to church when I can make two grand in my pocket tonight? But come, but come. I you know what? I'm gonna go. But if the Lord doesn't speak to me, I'm never going back again. Guess what, man of God? That night the Lord spoke to me to the prophet. I was sitting in the back, he was ministering, and then I he goes like that, you, come here. I said, my God, here it is. Then he spoke to my heart.

Jethro Casie (16:27.924)
Amen.

luis (16:35.115)
He said, listen, God is calling you. You're be a great businessman. This and this and the third. said, wow, okay God, so you did speak to me. So I was planted a big seed in me and the guy started working at me slowly. Obviously, I have to make the choice of giving up completely. And I made that choice when I went to a conference and I lost my foot in the park, supernaturally, literally. was one day and I just sitting down talking in the park, waiting for the next class in the conference. So it drizzling, so we ran to the car.

I ain't do, I never lose my phone. That's my business phone, that's how make my money. That's my phone. I don't got, look, nobody was in the park. And I followed the trail from the park to the car, which is like a few cars away. I didn't find my phone. I hadn't found it on the bench. I cannot find my phone. That was the big sign for me that that's it. Cause that was supernatural. And I never lose my phone in my life. It just happened that day. And I said, Ooh, that's crazy. This has got to come to me. Like he took away what was keeping me in the world. So I made a decision.

for sure that day and I said, Lord, never again I'm going back.

Jethro Casie (17:34.987)
That's deep and possible too, because like you said, he took away something that was keeping you in the world. So I wonder if everybody has that one or two, whatever things that are keeping them still connected to the world.

luis (17:46.037)
I think so. Yeah, definitely. It's funny because when I got a new phone, I texted my... I think I had 1 ,240 contacts at that time, business people that would buy drinks from me. And I wrote, I think it's Galatians 2 .20, I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. And the life I now live by living the Son Jesus Christ would love me and give himself for me. People say, you come in and sue, what happened? No, no, I'm just not doing this anymore.

So I really like, I quit cold turkey. Some people take time, but I quit cold turkey. I said, no, I never look back again, of God. But some people take time, but for me it was cold turkey. I said, no, remember I was making $5 ,000 a week. So I said no to the money and the girls and everything else. And I like, I wasn't making money, I was making money. So I left something, know, I left, like Peter left his business and his boat, you got to follow Jesus. So I left something for Jesus. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (18:41.877)
And it reminds me of the story where the man of God in the Bible who's like, Lord, what do I need to do to enter into the kingdom of heaven? But he has all this material wealth and he's not able to give it up. during that process now, well, I guess were you, cause you mentioned that you were raised in the faith. I didn't know this before. I was raised Catholic, now I'm just Christian, but there's different levels of, I would say, spiritual.

luis (18:51.913)
Yes.

luis (18:59.601)
Mm -hmm. Okay. Yeah. -hmm. Right.

Jethro Casie (19:09.781)
like spirituality in Christianity. So like, were you aware of like prophets? And I guess, you believe like when the man, when I got spoke to you, did you believe was that something normal for you? Cause there's still a lot of people in the body of Christ who don't believe in the prophetic and prophets.

luis (19:24.389)
Mm -hmm, that's true. So I grew up in a Pentecostal church and they didn't believe, there was a house prophet, but she didn't really prophesy. Now that I grew up, I know what she is. She basically, she's a worshipper that when the knowing thing comes to take everything, she prophesy in the atmosphere. Now, say casting, when you were eight years old, you were in blue and then somebody stole your french fries and that marked you and your father left you. It wasn't like that. It's like, God is saying that he's going to do this and that.

Jethro Casie (19:50.582)
Yeah.

luis (19:54.205)
So now I know that, but back then I didn't really know in detail or didn't really care for it because they didn't really teach it like that. So I go up in the Pentecostal church and I believe the preacher when he said that because some people, you're to be a man of God. OK, I believe it because that's what they all say. You're going be a man of God. But as I grew up, I started to know more about the prophetic and things like that. I believe that. I remember that word that, you an evangelist? And I am, like deep in the heart, like I'm an evangelist. You know what I mean?

I go out in the streets, as you can see in my videos, I'm preaching the trains, in the parks, the basketball courts, I go out there. So this is me, my nature.

Jethro Casie (20:30.347)
And I'm so curious, does, cause I believe that like obviously not everybody's called to like ministry in terms of the traditional like being in a church sense. So like how there's so many people who I'm not sure if you would agree or disagree with that, but how so many people have like a grace over their life or an anointing or a calling to be an apostle and evangelist. How did that manifest or I guess, cause like once God gives you a gift, he's

luis (20:40.412)
Okay.

luis (20:51.395)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (20:57.203)
or I believe once God gives you a gift, he doesn't take it away. like, how did the apostolic or I'm not sure if you have the grace yet or the anointing, but I guess the evangelists function when you were in the world and how like, guess, well, what does that look like if somebody is an evangelist, but they're not yet in Christ or they're an apostle, but they're not in Christ yet?

luis (21:15.016)
That's a question. So the thing is that when you're born in the five calling, when you're called by God, it's from birth, like he told Jeremiah, I called it from your mother's womb, right? I named you and I formed you. So.

The evangelist has a grace by God for people because if he didn't then how he will connect to people. So my personality is always, hey, come on everybody, sit at my table. And people love me and I love people. And I never really had enemies like that because I'm like you, see, you're smiling, great. So come on, what's going on? We have that grace that people just open up and will sit at a table. So when I was in the world, the reason why I was able to get so much business for my business, because I had the grace.

So I was throwing the grace that God gave me, but yet used it for the devil. You get what I'm saying? To attract people to me so they could buy my product. So the grace, you never lose the grace, it's always there. Per se, prophets, people don't like prophets. Why? Because nobody likes to know the truth. Because they can't handle the truth. So prophets, because they don't go around the bush, they're not liked very much. So when you tell my wife, God will teach her.

Jethro Casie (22:16.989)
Mm. Mm.

luis (22:26.125)
You can speak about that section. She'll be like, no, no, it's a lonely calling. It's rejected by your family, by people. They don't like you because you're always saying the truth. So an evangelist is the opposite. And God needs to save souls. So God gives the grace of people to evangelists. So as you in the world, there are people that are go -getters. They're evangelists. I believe they could be an evangelist, know, a great evangelist.

Jethro Casie (22:51.221)
And so can somebody be like how you're an evangelist and you're an apostle and you're a pastor, can somebody be like all or all of their like, I guess can we all, I'm assuming we can all function maybe in all of them, but are we only called to be one and then we grow from one? I guess I'm trying to understand like, yeah, can you be like a preacher and a

luis (23:02.264)
The three at the same time?

luis (23:09.57)
Okay.

Jethro Casie (23:20.573)
apostle and yeah.

luis (23:20.862)
I understand your question. I understand your question. So an apostle has the grace to flow in all the ministries. You get it? Because it's a high calling. don't want to rank it, but it is how it is in the sense. The apostle is the one that goes, let's say, to Honduras, Colombia, and plants a church. He's the breakthrough. Guess what? He did the apostolic work, planted a church, but now has to do the pastoral work. That's the people.

Jethro Casie (23:49.281)
Mmm.

luis (23:50.743)
But to get the people to the church, has to be the evangelist, getting them in the streets. And then when they're there, he has to also teach the people, because the apostles, plant foundations, the water foundation of Jesus Christ, the water of God, and the people built from that. But at the same time, he has to prophesy to his people. You get it? So apostles are known to flow in all five functions simultaneously as God gives them the grace to. Not all, but they all mostly flow on that.

Like the only one I don't have the grace, but I'm asking for more grace is the prophetic part. But I'm an apostle, I'm an evangelist, definitely pastor and definitely a teacher because I'm a teaching apostle. I'm a teaching priest. You know what mean? Yeah, yeah.

Jethro Casie (24:34.729)
Amen. Amen. And how do we become so on becoming a man of God? Let's say somebody is new on their faith journey and they're growing. I think something that I wasn't really aware of or taught of growing up is like and you had given the honor to your spiritual father or the one who's like covering you guys in ministry. I guess if we're on this path of becoming a man of God, where

Where do we start? we like, it? Yeah, where should we start in this process of becoming a manic god?

luis (25:08.774)
Okay, definitely sure good question well To become one of men of God is a personal thing as you've been a follower of Jesus Christ Because to become a preacher a person that's gonna expand the kingdom is something else But we all should aspire to first be a child of God before being a prophet in an apostle of God, right?

So we have to, we supposed to have a relationship first with the Lord. The water God said that many are called, but few are chosen. What that means is that God calls many people, but few people choose the calling. Because your calling depends on the sacrifice you're willing to pay to get to your high calling. Because if God's calling you, but you don't accept the calling, then God will never use you. But if in general you say, Cassie, you know what? I'm gonna give everything, sacrifice everything, everything like the guy that said, well, I gotta do to her the kingdom of God.

I'm gonna follow Jesus, then you pay a high price. That guy could have been the 12th but he wasn't, because he loved his riches more than Jesus. And he asked the question, what can I do? And God told him, what can you do? So it's about sacrifice and how much you're willing to leave behind and follow Jesus. But a man of God, think I also become a man of God. A man of integrity, a man of his words, a praying man, a man that loves his family, the community, the city, a man of God. But now a calling of God, that's like a higher price to pay.

Jethro Casie (26:10.207)
Yeah.

luis (26:28.285)
That's why not all are apostles, only some are prophets, you know? But everybody can be a man of God and a preacher, definitely believe that too.

Jethro Casie (26:35.635)
Amen. And so how do we be a child of God? That's something I'm trying to also like I saw a kid like a small kid on the train and I was just like, like, what does the Lord mean when he says like the like the the children, the children will like inherit heaven for us to be like childlike to inherit the kingdom of God. So how does that? Yeah. How do we like practically or what does that mean? What's like that? Because I feel like there's a deeper revelation to it.

luis (26:54.087)
Yeah.

luis (27:01.91)
Definitely Yeah, as scripture comes to mind, it's in the New Testament, I forgot what it is, but Corinthians or something, says that, Romans, it says those who are led by the Holy Spirit are a child of God or are the sons of God. The only way I can know a man of God, that you're a man of God, is when you're led by the Holy Spirit, not by your common desires, not by your emotions, though well, but by the will of God and by the Holy Spirit. Those are true sons of God.

Amen. Just because you have the title or whatever doesn't mean you are the son of God. Or I go to church doesn't mean you are son of God. It's if you're led by the Spirit. Because so many people in church are not being led by the Spirit, but by their own emotions. So that's number one. And when God says to become a child, listen, you know when kids fight, he stepped on my shoes, I don't like you. But then 10 seconds later, they're best friends. That's what God means. Don't take offense so deeply. And a child...

Jethro Casie (27:51.541)
Yeah.

luis (27:56.783)
You see the emotions in their face. They're mad they're gonna show you. They're happy they're gonna show you. But we, well as we grow, we become deceivers. We tend to hide our emotions. Because we're one that people know how we feel. So you're mad but you're smiling. But you're mad though inside. So becoming childish, you know what? I forgive you. Let's forget about it. Let's really be happy. You see what I'm saying? That's what it means childlike. Childlike faith, you know, being all of God and thanks of God. That's gonna, how can I interpret that now for you?

Jethro Casie (28:26.005)
And so, because I think especially with specific like talking about men and wanting to, a lot of guys do obviously want to be married. And if you're going to do things right, have to do things in marriage. And there's a definitely a power and I think a grace that probably comes upon you where like where two can cannot walk to, yeah. So having that agreement, constant agreement with you in marriage is definitely powerful. So.

luis (28:38.106)
Right.

luis (28:42.96)
Yeah.

luis (28:46.554)
Unless they be agreed.

Jethro Casie (28:52.577)
What is the challenge or the burden? Obviously, I think spiritually there's more tax probably when you're married and on that because it's something that's approved by God, a covenant. So when you first got married, how did and you're leaving the world and you're coming to the kingdom. What was that like? What was the change? like you mentioned, you left a lot of things. How did that developing process, growing process, because that's not always

luis (29:02.49)
Right. The streets.

luis (29:16.429)
Yeah.

luis (29:21.029)
Yeah, yeah, Definitely. So Romans 12, 2, said, therefore I beseech you, brother, to renew your mind by the word of God, you know, that we could know what the perfect calling of God is. So I had to go through a tremendous renewing of the mind. Because remember, the kingdom of God works the opposite of the world. In the world, I'm going to get my enemies. I'm going to kill them. I'm going to my ass. I'm going to get them. You know how it is But in the kingdom of God, it's, hey, love them. Hey, hey, pray for them. No, no, no, you what?

Jethro Casie (29:21.865)
I'm easy, sir.

luis (29:49.839)
bless them also, give them a gift. So it's different. You the killer mouth guys say, say, say, say for me, but I mean in the world, but in the killer mouth guys, hey, give, give, give, give. You know what I'm saying? So it's different. So I had to switch my mind because there are things that I have a system of thinking in the world that when I was married, I had to drop certain things. It's like taking a guy that's a gangster from the street. All he knows is beef and fighting and violence. How can you put him in an environment of nobodies?

Jethro Casie (30:15.84)
Yeah.

luis (30:18.436)
And he's going to take people coming after him. But people probably just by mistake stepped on his shoes. But he thinks it's on purpose. Instead of reacting fast, he's like, yo, is everything okay? He has to kind of settle down and relearn everything again. So I had to go through a renewal of the mind process. I'm the same person, outgoing personality -wise, but my character had to change and mature. That's what changes when it comes to the Lord Jesus. So things that I had to like, you wait a minute, that's my wife, I can't do that. She's not the homegirl I with last week.

Jethro Casie (30:24.747)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (30:45.653)
Yeah.

luis (30:47.105)
Or last year I got to treat it like this, know, I'm not, you know, sitting at home no more, you know what saying? Or hoisting the trees, I'm with my wife now. She deserves something more special. So things like that have to renew my mind.

Jethro Casie (30:50.273)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (30:59.861)
And then with you being married, how many years have you been married now?

luis (31:02.851)
I'm to be 13, this December 18th. Yeah, time flies, time flies.

Jethro Casie (31:05.537)
Amen. That's powerful. And, and yet, so you're you've been married for 13 years. What are some of, I guess, the the difference spiritually that that's that you've noticed in terms of, guess, just, yeah, just having a partner, somebody who, obviously, like, as the man we're supposed to cover for our wife, but also our wife covers for us. So yeah, what are some of the the positives of like marriage? And because Paul also was very opinionated when he was like, I

luis (31:19.263)
Okay.

luis (31:26.401)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (31:35.391)
I think everybody should, if you do get married, that's good, but you're gonna be, you're not as focused on the will of God. So yeah, so with that, guess, yeah, how has the marriage grown you spiritually and what's been also some hard parts of like the spiritual battles, yeah.

luis (31:38.561)
Mm

and fights. Yes.

luis (31:49.978)
Yeah.

luis (31:53.727)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, so Paul, they say that he said, listen, if I was you, don't marry because you could serve God better. It's true. It's true. But if you aching, you know, get married, but you're to have less time for the Lord. For example, you're not married now, Right now, as the man of God, you should be seeking the anointing, seeking the presence, studying the Word to become that man of God. That way, when you do get married, you are prepared.

Jethro Casie (32:12.404)
No, not yet.

luis (32:22.613)
But if you don't seek God now, you're not gonna seek God when you're married. If your wife is not as cold as you are, or as loving God as you are, you get what I'm saying? So when I got married, because I have my, and this is rare, you usually see this, by the grace of God, we both have a calling. I'm cold by myself, and my wife is cold by herself. So together, it's powerful. And remember that apostles work with prophets. So God gave me a prophet to work with.

You know what I'm saying? So it lines it up perfectly. So because we're both called, we both love God. Per se to a pastor that's called, but his wife is not called pastor. She's just a woman of God. She's the first lady. Because I have the call, doesn't mean my wife has the call. You get it? So in this case, we do both have calling. So we both love God so much that we, you know, we pray together, we fast and those things like that. So that helped me out quick. Because remember when I came to the Lord,

Jethro Casie (32:52.549)
Mmm.

Jethro Casie (33:04.353)
Mm.

luis (33:21.074)
My wife was already prophesying and casting out devils. Me? I had to relearn. So it was intimidating to hear her even pray. I mean, how you pray for so long? God, how much, where you get those words from? So therefore, I had to catch up in my spiritual level to my wife. Remember, she's a prophet, she's already from God. Probably got to fast and pray and go to sleep and get a dream. My wife said right there, by the way. So I had to grow, I had to mature spiritually. And in my character,

Jethro Casie (33:23.851)
Hmm.

Jethro Casie (33:32.326)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (33:38.219)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jethro Casie (33:47.68)
Amen.

luis (33:49.76)
So I can go to a level so we can both start working together in agreement. It took time for me to be in that level.

Jethro Casie (33:56.405)
Yeah, and I want to touch upon that because I think that's super, I think that's really raw and true what you said in terms of like, because I think as men, a lot of us have egos and need to, that's something I'm still working on and I didn't realize, like my girlfriend points out that I have an ego, but I don't think I have an ego all the time. So like, I think it's good though. So yeah, I think because it's a similar situation with my girlfriend and I, like she was.

luis (34:02.944)
Mm -hmm.

luis (34:07.356)
Yes, yes.

luis (34:14.075)
my god.

Jethro Casie (34:22.529)
Like a woman of God way before she's the one who brought me to back to Jesus. So like, I didn't realize that. And it's kind of terrible to say, but it is it's the truth. Like I was I was a little jealous of like how far she was with God. And I was like, man, I don't feel good enough. I'm not sure like how how can she be so far? I'm because I want to be the leader in the relationship and all that. So if anybody's experiencing that, how do you? Yeah, how does a man, I guess, kind of

luis (34:23.553)
Okay.

luis (34:27.857)
great, great.

Yeah.

luis (34:44.83)
Exactly,

luis (34:52.136)
That's a good question. Yes. Man, this is the climax. I love that question. I wish many people more access. So it has to do with the man's ego, because the man wants to be in power, wants to be in authority. if you notice, my wife and I, we flow together in the pulpit. I don't step on her boundaries, you know, and she doesn't step on mine. She knows that's the apostle talk, and that's the prophet talk, so I back up. So if we're going to go to my church in the future, we'll see that we both flow together.

Jethro Casie (34:52.341)
destroy his ego and leave that aside, because that's not, I don't think that has any benefit in the kingdom.

luis (35:22.245)
You hardly see that in couples. People not use it. We go back and forth. So in the beginning, it was intimidating of how she would pray. Like, man, and then she'll pray with prophets that are even above her. I was like the little underdog in the prayer line. my God, I don't want to say, okay, thank you Jesus for our food for this day. And then, my God. Intimidating, but I said, Lord, I want to learn. And I knew that she was deep over God. And I said, God, I want to get to that level too.

Jethro Casie (35:34.305)
Mm.

Jethro Casie (35:37.526)
Thank

Jethro Casie (35:41.889)
Yeah.

luis (35:50.918)
So thank God that I never took it like, you know, I never tried to shut her down, the prophetic never, not even now, you know, because it'll be, I'm stepping on God if I step on her. And as the man I could be, no, let the apostle come, no, no, no, the prophet is talking. And you can ask us, I never blocked her, and I pray that that never happens, that my ego doesn't grow and be like, no, I'm the pastor, let me shine. cause many people do that, man of God. And that's not good. So yes, we may gather those who want to those things, recognize your level.

Jethro Casie (35:55.891)
Amen.

luis (36:21.126)
The word I got to say, know, humble means knowing your position. If you don't got the grace to prophesy, then just preach the word of God. Bless the woman of God for her gifting and that same. Pray that some of it will rub on you instead of being a hater. So I have learned to, you know, God, thank God for my wife. She's a true prophet. Thank you for her grace. So I'm thankful to have somebody like her. But like I said in the beginning, I had to like, you know, learn prayer, learn how to do things and think that now I'm more mature, I can go on my own.

Jethro Casie (36:28.555)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (36:35.872)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (36:42.72)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (36:50.367)
Amen. And I think that's really, really, really powerful because, yeah, I don't think guides really understand and it's still something I'm trying to grow on, like I mentioned, but yeah, like crushing your ego and being humble, like how in the, I'm forgetting what book, but how the first will be the last and the last will be the first, I believe, or whoever is the greatest among you is the one who like serves the most.

luis (36:50.746)
Yeah, definitely.

luis (37:11.379)
Nia.

luis (37:15.067)
Exactly.

Jethro Casie (37:17.145)
I think, I guess touching upon that, important is it to, or from your experience, you mentioned like serving and being a man who has served, I guess what comes with, what's like the blessing that people don't see like when you serve like a man of God or a woman of God, just serving in your church in the moment, what will God, I guess, or how will God reward you? Not that I don't think you should do the serving for the reward, but that's obviously what comes with it as well.

luis (37:29.02)
Yeah.

luis (37:41.817)
Definitely. I'm going to ask like first of all, something came to mind when you speaking. There's a woman that are called more than the men. They have the calling. Paula White. know who Paula White is? She has the calling, not her husband. George Myers. She had the calling. Her husband divorced her because she was called tremendously. So in that situation, the man gets jealous because the attention the woman get. And they don't realize that there's a calling like Deborah in the Bible. Deborah was the call.

Jethro Casie (37:49.131)
Mm.

Yeah.

luis (38:09.514)
Now Barak, Barak did whatever God told him to do. So they got recognized that they are the cold one, not to step on the boundaries. You know what mean? So that just came to mind. But yeah, back to serving in the church and serving the man of God, it's an honor and a privilege to serve the man of God that God has chosen because God chose that person. So when you're serving that person, even a cup of water, water God says that you will receive the prophets reward by serving them.

Jethro Casie (38:35.073)
See you man.

luis (38:36.416)
You know, so it's a big blessing that people don't see that. They think, let her get her water. Well, I'm not now that, you know, their ego's too big. They don't humble down and recognize they are throwing the spiritual round that the law has placed upon that person. So therefore they lose the blessing. Remember this, while you honor, you attract. While you dishonor, you pull away. So if you honor, if I honor my wife for a prophetic gifting, I'm going to be attracted and that's going to come to me. But if I dishonor that, I'm going to pull away from that.

Jethro Casie (39:03.946)
Amen.

luis (39:06.817)
So if I see something in you, wow, Cassie has the grace for this, I'm gonna honor that. Hey, keep using Cassie in these things. I'm honoring that, and I'm serving you in those things. And it's a blessing to come upon me because networking and things like that. But in the prophetic, in the church, when you serve the man of God, you're serving God directly, period. Don't look at me, Pastor Lewis, look at the man of God in me. Because when I'm in that pulpit, I'm under the anointing of God.

Jethro Casie (39:21.345)
Yeah, man.

luis (39:36.629)
And I would do whatever God says me to do, but when I'm out of the pulpit, I'm me, but the man of God still link me. You catch what I'm saying? So when you serve me, you're serving the man of God first, and then me second, because I am human. So it's a big blessing, just like Elijah, he got the double anointing and things like that. And then Gehazi could have it, but he loved money more than serving God, so it happens now.

Jethro Casie (39:43.903)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (39:55.125)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (40:01.502)
Yeah. And then so so touching upon that, because I think you caught in the spirit because I have the question and then you had answered it without me asking. So with with like leadership. So what does it mean? Like. The man is supposed to be the head of the I believe the head of the woman or the head of the or the head of the marriage. So, yeah, what does that mean? Because I think a lot of guys and I think me even thinking about this and you clearing that up was to be like, no, the man is supposed to be like.

luis (40:19.391)
Yeah.

luis (40:26.602)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.

Jethro Casie (40:31.111)
most spiritual in the relationship. Like what is that? What is that? guess... yeah.

luis (40:32.589)
Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's the second time they asked me the question today, this day. I went to my mechanic shop. The first thing he asked me about the same question, is the truth of the man gonna be the leading in the house? I wow, okay, cool, I came to fix my car, but let me preach to So I was teaching him what it is. Same question, I guess, gotta say something. Yes, God has called the man to lead as the priest of the house.

Jethro Casie (40:39.083)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (40:54.912)
Amen.

luis (41:01.404)
meaning lead spiritually. know, hey guys, let's pray. Let's believe God. Let's walk in faith. Let's fast. Let's go to church. Let's keep a godly life. Let's keep a righteous life. He's the priest of the house. That's his role as a man of God in the house. But per se, my wife is a prophet. I don't have to tell my wife to fast and pray. She's the prophet. See, he's from God. You know, but let's just say she didn't have a colon.

And she's just my wife, but I'm supposed to be the leading priest in my household, you know, in the spiritual things. But it's okay if she's more anointed than me. It's okay. If your wife, let's your girlfriend, could have a bigger grace than you have, and that's okay, Cassie, because that's God's grace given to people on Mary the Favour, for example. So it's okay, but just recognize that I flow with it. And God will bless you for serving your wife or serving your girlfriend because of a calling. That's what people don't see.

Jethro Casie (41:45.001)
Amen. Amen.

Jethro Casie (41:57.803)
Amen.

luis (41:59.314)
Right, because my wife is super known to the hell, her a gifting shop. I mean, what? So yeah, so be careful with that. the man's supposed to be at the house. Take the people to church and things like that.

Jethro Casie (42:04.032)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (42:07.851)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (42:11.861)
Yeah, because even something that I thought of and I remember I said it to my girlfriend and it like hurt her and I didn't realize that thinking was, I guess, not of God or just not beneficial to a relationship. thought she had told me that like she wants to make more money than me. And I'm just like, and this way it sounds terrible. She probably is not going to be happy that I'm saying this.

luis (42:36.976)
Is she in front of you? Okay, okay, okay. She watched.

Jethro Casie (42:39.345)
No, no, she's not in front of me, but she's going to listen and she's going to be like, why are you telling our business? But so she had said, yeah, I'm going to make more money than you. we were at my house and I was like, I was like, I'm going to make more money than you. Like, I don't think you can make more money. And she was like, she told me after she's like, like, like, why would you do that? Like, you put a limitation on me. And I didn't think of it like that, but like really, really genuinely like, like her.

luis (43:00.354)
Right. Yes.

Jethro Casie (43:05.629)
And I had to really do a lot of reflecting on like, am I afraid for her to make more money than me? And it came to like me not feeling like I would be not like the man or the provider in the relationship. have you ever, like, I guess in terms of like your relationship, what has God kind of delivered you from, whether that's the mindset and the renewing of your mind or any bad habits that you had that was kind of stunting like.

luis (43:11.566)
Exactly.

luis (43:15.974)
Yeah, that's a question.

luis (43:28.336)
Yes.

Jethro Casie (43:33.713)
relationship and you were the one making friends because something I realized, pastor is...

luis (43:35.504)
Yeah.

luis (43:39.224)
laughing because when my wife sees this she's to laugh because of this question.

Jethro Casie (43:43.425)
And what I realized, apostle was like, my girlfriend would tell me she's the reflection of me. how I, like whatever I do, she's gonna like multiply it and do that. And that I didn't really believe it for a while. was like, yeah, it sounds like no accountability, blah, blah, blah. But anyway, but yeah, what is that for you? What has God kinda changed?

luis (43:55.75)
Okay. Yeah.

luis (44:01.296)
Wow.

luis (44:05.347)
Wow, my God, that's a terrible question. I'm seizing because you're hitting on the nail because the mechanic asked me the same question too. It's like, I don't know what God is saying. We just came out of family conference, it's within the context. Hallelujah. How can I answer this? You should have told her, you're to make double of me. So you wouldn't have had a fight with her. You're going to make double of me. Because as a man, we motivate our wife. You know what? You're going to get up there. The ego says, no, you're not. The ego says, I'm the man around here. I'm going to make.

Jethro Casie (44:13.248)
in that.

luis (44:35.386)
But I'm gonna confess something to you. My wife wastes more money than me. She makes more money than me. My wife has always been the breadwinner. My wife is the professional. My wife is, you know, she graduated. I didn't graduate college, but she did. So obviously she and her around, she makes more money than me. But my wife has never put me down. My wife has always submitted and respected me and never threw that in my face. You get what I'm saying? Because in my colon, I went full time last year.

Jethro Casie (44:59.019)
Amen.

luis (45:04.442)
But even though I have business on the side, you know what saying? But she does make more money than me. But it doesn't affect me. I'm still the man in the house. She's smarter than me. I'm sorry. My wife is bright. My wife's calling grace is crazy. So I cannot try to beat her. No, I will never. My wife is a great organizer, a tremendous woman of God. Fear the Lord, shuns evil, like Job in the Bible, I'm telling you. So I'm a blessed man to have a wife like that. And then she's very smart. My wife is called, you know my wife run for mayor in New York City?

Jethro Casie (45:15.403)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (45:26.858)
Amen.

luis (45:33.07)
in 2022? Yes, she ran for mayor. It was four Republicans, including her, against 40 Democrats, which now our mayor is one of them that won now. But my wife ran for mayor. I was about to be the first gentleman to break record, the first prophet, pastor, Hispanic, Dominican mayor. Come on. So it didn't work out, but we almost made it to the primaries. Nobody knows this. But she's going to run again for mayor of New York City again. So...

Jethro Casie (45:33.501)
wow. Amen.

Jethro Casie (45:42.849)
Thank you.

Yeah.

Hey man, that would have been crazy. Yeah.

luis (46:02.389)
Listen, her coding is up there. I cannot be jealous. I cannot get messed. You're gonna make my money, period. And I'm glad, it's okay. It's okay. But we both work for the kingdom of God. We both love each other and our children, you know? And you know, I'm a businessman myself. I'm gonna make money, but it's just... Her coding is serious. That's all I gotta say, Yeah, yeah.

Jethro Casie (46:12.533)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (46:21.661)
Amen. No, I love that. I think a lot of men will see like the love that you have for your wife. I think that's the one of the biggest things is like motivating your wife for your significant other. And I think for even for me, like in terms like the confession part, like me, I can do a much better job of especially if I see something in her, not telling her that she's not doing it, but motivating her to do it. If that makes sense.

luis (46:35.638)
course.

luis (46:46.421)
Okay. Now of course, you gotta apply your wisdom. Hey, hey, try this better. But she's gonna do, but you're telling her what to do. thank you, wow, it's better. That's okay. But we can't say, you don't have to let me do it and be the man that that's wrong. You gotta be a motivator in the church, in the church, in the house. The prophet of the house, the motivator, the giver, you know, the protector, the all those things you gotta be at one time.

Jethro Casie (46:57.174)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (47:02.016)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (47:11.775)
Amen. And before we get into the last questions, I want to give you guys a testimony. I don't know if I ever told you, but after I went to the ministry, one, it was super deep that you had said you had prayed for me for the fire to keep burning. Because at that point in my walk, did feel like I wasn't as on fire for God. And I had that desire. So I want to say thank you for that prayer. And then, yeah, amen. And then I had the...

luis (47:15.093)
Mm -hmm.

luis (47:24.254)
Yeah.

luis (47:36.189)
time. I'll with you guys. That's good. Yeah, yeah.

Jethro Casie (47:40.809)
And then Prophet Wanda, she had prophesied about me having the dreams and God gave me the dream and I ended up going to to where he he told me to go. And it was and I would love to for you to touch upon like faith and what that looks like. Because you mentioned you're going into full time or you've been full time ministry. I'm not sure for how long, but yeah, what's what's that? guess. How do we grow in faith? How how did you get to a level where you have enough faith, where you trust God to like, I can do this full time?

luis (47:42.793)
Really?

luis (47:47.232)
Good.

luis (47:53.589)
Yeah.

luis (47:59.074)
Yeah. Right.

luis (48:10.208)
So I'm going full time, but I haven't got paid yet. Because last year I left my food business, I put it aside, I put it on pause. We just had the new building in the church and it took a lot of my time. And I said, Lord, you know what? I want to dedicate more time to the church, construction wise, prayer wise, everything in general. So said, let me take some time off. And it's been about a year already that I took off, but I never got paid. It's not like I'm getting a check that I, hey, no, no, it doesn't work that way.

Jethro Casie (48:35.915)
Yeah.

luis (48:38.034)
At a due time, I will get paid for what I do. God will recompense me. But I have never lacked. I'm never hungry. I have never lacked anything. That's when you believe in God that he'll supply all your needs. You get what I'm saying? And to now, I can still say that. can still say that. The abundance time will come. It'll come. The limelight may come. Even if it doesn't, I'm still gonna serve God wholeheartedly. faith.

Jethro Casie (48:58.282)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (49:04.426)
Amen.

luis (49:05.392)
It's actually, the word I said, without faith, it is impossible to please God. Faith is like a muscle. You you work it out slowly. And then you move on, move on. You cannot, for example, God be like, you cannot over exaggerate and be unrealistic. Because the book of Romans says that you prophesy according to your faith. You do things according to the faith you have. My wife has a different faith than I do. I cannot put me in her shoes. She can say something when I say faith, for example, but I have my faith.

But I'm growing as I go. For example, when we were in the temple, when you visit us, we were paying $2 ,300 a month of rent. And we could barely afford that. It was like, my God, but God was, some house, some way made it so we could pay the rent. But we still had to believe God for that money every month. Who would pray so much? Castiel, Father, provide the money that people can be generous, Father, you know that, and we'll put from our own money. But now in this new building, Cassie, we're paying $10 ,000. So we went from $2

Jethro Casie (49:49.025)
Thank

luis (50:04.777)
to $10 ,000, that's faith. If we didn't have for the 23, how we gonna have for 10 ,000? And every month the Lord provides that money. It's taking, my God, Lord, it's the first of the month, God, 15, God, what you gonna do? But God always does it. So now a prophet came recently, he told me, I'm gonna give you more faith for bigger projects. Castiel, you're never gonna have the money. You're never gonna have the intelligence. You're never gonna have the resources that you think you need.

Jethro Casie (50:10.966)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (50:21.323)
Amen.

luis (50:34.588)
Faith is, I don't have it moving regardless. And that's how you please God. I don't have the requirements for that job, but I'm gonna apply anyway. And God will give me grace and favor, then you get the job. You get what I'm saying? So faith is moving without you having it. If you have it, it's not faith. Then you'll need God. You get it? So you're never gonna have complete everything. God's gonna keep you needing something that way you can move in faith.

Jethro Casie (50:44.405)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (50:51.499)
Yeah.

And...

Amen. And that's deep because I remember a prophet that spoke to me and he was saying like, you keep waiting for God to like show you the whole picture. He's going to show you one step and then you're going to have to take it and then he'll show you the next step and you have to take it until the or the puzzle and everything is completed. So.

luis (51:11.889)
That's right.

Unfortunately, that's how it is. That's how God works in his kingdom, you know? That's how he works. It hurts, it's scary, but do I walk through a valley, tell all the farts, or I feel no evil? You know, that's it.

Jethro Casie (51:20.191)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (51:24.893)
Amen. So these are some final questions the apostle that I asked guests just to figure out what is the kingdom secret to success. So for you, what is the kingdom secret to success that you've learned so far on this walk with Christ?

luis (51:30.257)
Yeah.

luis (51:34.309)
Okay.

luis (51:39.941)
Well, obviously number one is faith, like we say, without faith you can't do nothing. But yeah, you have to have a prayer life. You gotta have a prayer life without prayer. The word I said, when you pray, believe that you have it and it's yours. Without prayer, there's no relationship with the Lord. Without prayer, there's no power, you know what I mean? And there's no transformation, there's nothing to do without prayer. So you wouldn't have a clear vision without prayer, having a consistent, fervent prayer life. I'm saying just on Sundays.

But like you constantly, like you go shower and eat, you go here and there, you're discipline to read the word of God and pray. And God will direct you. That's the one, the word of God says, and Joseph prospered because the law was with him. And Kenny is the kind of prosper because the law was with him. If the law is not with you, you're not gonna prosper. He said it in John 15, five, without me, I'm the vine, you're the branches, without me, you can't do anything. So the point is Jesus, God, relationship with him.

And then that will guide you to success. He told Joshua, know, meditate day and night on the law and then your ways will be prosperous. See that? Deuteronomy 8 .18 says, for I am the one that gives

Jethro Casie (53:10.273)
Hello, Puzzle.

Jethro Casie (53:30.891)
Case by Casey, everybody.