Kingdom Case 18: How To Grow In Discernment | Pierre Bakouetila

In this conversation, Jethro Casie interviews Pierre Bakouetila, exploring themes of discernment, faith, and the journey of understanding Christ. Pierre shares his personal experiences growing up in a religious household, his wilderness journey, and the importance of prayer and discernment in faith. The discussion delves into the nature of God, the significance of evangelism, and the fear of God in relation to salvation. Pierre emphasizes the need for wisdom and understanding in the Christian walk, encouraging listeners to seek a deeper relationship with God and to share the gospel with others.

00:00
Introduction to Pierre Bakouetila

05:59
The Wilderness Experience

11:59
The Power of Prayer

17:58
The Role of Understanding in Faith

24:11
The Revelation of Praying in Jesus' Name

30:06
The Importance of Daily Bread

37:31
The Existence of God and the Devil

42:51
Maturity in Faith and Understanding

49:01
The Temptation of the Devil

56:54
The Nature of Salvation and Free Will

01:10:30
Kingdom Secrets to Success

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Transcript

Jethro Casie (00:00.815)
Today I'm with a young follower of Christ who grew up in a religious household, but he truly wasn't always a follower of Christ until he received understanding and inherited his salvation later in his journey with Christ. He's a filmmaker, an entrepreneur, media producer, sound engineer, and when he isn't in his entrepreneurial ground, he's studying the Bible and as he likes to say, bench pressing the Bible in his mind daily. He's also a part of mixed martial arts, involves in football.

Pierre Bakouetila (00:24.652)
You got to.

Jethro Casie (00:30.479)
as well as he loves to read not only the word of God, but also just read to grow his self and self development. And lastly, he's a member of the same organization as I am called The Standard, where it's a men of excellence who are daily trying to, even though it's not a Christian organization, better themselves and I would say die to self daily. So I welcome Pierre Bakoutelli to Case by Casey.

Pierre Bakouetila (00:51.275)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (00:54.978)
Thank you, brother. Thank you. Honor to be here.

Jethro Casie (00:56.417)
Amen. So I wanted to start. Yeah, absolutely. I wanted to start, as I mentioned, with the episode being focused in how to grow in discernment, because a bit of the inspiration that the Holy Spirit kind of led me to was, one, just watching your videos and Proverbs four, verse seven. I believe you have like a deep revelation of this specific verse that kind of like led you to do all the content creation that you're going on. And the verse says wisdom is the principal thing.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:21.184)
Yeah

Jethro Casie (01:24.015)
Therefore get wisdom and with all that getting get understanding and it says in NIV though it costs you all you have get understanding. And then I was doing a little bit of a word study on it and the word understanding also is discernment. So what was your, I guess, initial, I you grew up in a religious household. So what was your initial like understanding of who Christ was?

Pierre Bakouetila (01:44.214)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:49.954)
Well, brother, to be completely honest with you, I had no understanding. I had that understanding of, as in, you ought to believe in Christ, but why ought you to believe in Christ? It's really that. to the true extent of it, I really had no genuine understanding of Christ. Now, the way that I gathered that understanding, I wouldn't recommend, but I went through the wilderness, brother. Yeah.

Like, as in, as far as growing up and you you learn, you have to go to, you have to go to church and all that, but it becomes religious practices. The main thing and biggest component is that relationship with Christ, which is something that I wasn't taught to seek. I was more taught to, as in, complete the task, if that makes sense, as opposed to, as opposed to.

Jethro Casie (02:30.233)
for sure.

Jethro Casie (02:45.982)
Yeah, for sure.

Pierre Bakouetila (02:48.672)
you're in relationship, this is fellowship with Christ first before anything else. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (02:55.407)
And so when you were raised growing up, I'm assuming like you're, like do you come from like a family of believers in terms of like where your grandparents and even before them, believers as well or are you kind of like the second generation, I guess, of followers?

Pierre Bakouetila (03:09.942)
Well, on my mother's side, definitely all believers. On my father's side, it's kind of a little bit harder to justify because I don't really know much about my grandparents on my father's side. My dad is Catholic. My mother is Protestant. And then my siblings, I do not know their denomination per se. Me personally, I am non-denominational. I'm a follower of Christ. I believe in this heart.

text right here nothing else it doesn't matter what church you bring me to I find the voice of Christ my sheep know my voice say the Lord

Jethro Casie (03:39.119)
I'm out.

Jethro Casie (03:44.108)
Amen.

And so with that, I so like I was raised Catholic and I think it was my first time and how I came to kind of know Christ was in college like a few years ago. And I just read the Bible for the first time. It's kind of crazy because I'm sure it be similar for you. Like you're raised in a religious household, like doing the practices with no relationship. But I think it's funny, like how so many people.

Pierre Bakouetila (04:05.378)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (04:11.789)
believe in Jesus, but they never really understand his words. So when was the first time that you kind of one, I just like read the Bible. And then when you started to gain that like understanding of, like what the Bible is teaching you. Cause I feel like that's two very different things.

Pierre Bakouetila (04:24.962)
Definitely first time I read the Bible. I Was definitely like openly read the Bible. I was definitely 1415. Yeah about Yeah, 1415 1415 just about but you have to understand also at that time. I'm reading the Bible as like It's it's a good story It's not it's not it's not really I'm reading about wasn't this is the Word of God So even at that it had a different magnitude

Jethro Casie (04:32.655)
Okay, okay.

Pierre Bakouetila (04:54.782)
It's kind of funny actually because just a little parenthesis, my name is Pierre, which is Peter in the Bible. Remember what Peter did? He denied God three times. He rebuked him three times. But I went to the wilderness three times. So the first time I really, I came to reading the word, I'm just reading the word. I'm not really getting any true understanding or any real, how can I say this? It's text that is more so

Jethro Casie (05:06.607)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (05:24.576)
Hmm, how can I say this? To me, it's more so tech that like I can be skeptical about as opposed to something that cannot be quantified by science. So I'm now trying to figure out the science behind it and trying to articulate it. But the thing is that science is trying to catch up to the almighty brother. He's been ahead of me for the longest and he always be ahead of me, all of us actually. But yeah.

Jethro Casie (05:36.377)
Mm. Mm.

Jethro Casie (05:41.532)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (05:46.499)
Amen.

Pierre Bakouetila (05:50.274)
So was just reading the word and kind of from there I was like taking down notes and it was helping me but it was more so a motivational speech rather than food for the spirit.

Jethro Casie (05:59.695)
Hmm.

Jethro Casie (06:03.113)
And this was at like, this was at 1415 when you're, it sounds like you might've been like studying the Bible in some like, I guess, shape or form.

Pierre Bakouetila (06:10.946)
So I was actually in a boarding school at that time. Yeah, boarding school. So it's actually a Christian boarding school called Broke Hill. Send your kids there. Parents, parents. Where's the camera? Parents, send your kids there. But yeah, Christian boarding school. Amazing experience, honestly. As far as just studying the Bible and being maintained into the Word, you are in the perfect environment, honestly. All the conditions are aligned, but...

Jethro Casie (06:13.551)
Okay, like Bible school.

Jethro Casie (06:18.168)
Okay, okay.

Pierre Bakouetila (06:40.354)
As far as like putting God first, it was more so you address your prayer, but God is not necessarily first, if that makes sense. Wait, may I get one second? Just one second.

Jethro Casie (06:48.366)
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Pierre Bakouetila (07:07.618)
My My brothers were getting a little loud in the next room. yeah, as far as actually getting a true understanding of it, it's more so this is a great motivational speech. my coach, Jesus. He is the coach by excellence, but my coach, Jesus, this is just information. I'm not really digesting it per se. Yes.

Jethro Casie (07:09.037)
No, no. Yeah, you're all good.

Jethro Casie (07:23.447)
Yeah. Well, this reminds me of like the Bible verse where I I it's curious because I've spoken to and even even myself, like obviously I was raised in the faith, but I definitely went through a time period where.

I was like even agnostic in a sense where I was like, you know, I believe in God, but I never, I don't thank you Jesus that I never like tried to go into like other things. I've spoken to people and they like dabbled in doing witchcraft or whatever. They tried to like seek after like other things. And it reminds me of the Bible verse. I believe it might be in Proverbs where it's like you train your child up in their ways and they won't depart from it when they're older. And I think that's kind of like the seeding and like.

Pierre Bakouetila (08:02.306)
Yeah, nah.

Jethro Casie (08:14.029)
the fruit that's now bearing fruit in your life. you keep mentioning this wilderness, so we gotta talk about it. So what was the wilderness that you went through? And it's always interesting, was it, do you believe in a sense that it was self-inflicted that you went through this wilderness because of wanting to choose your own way? There's a Bible verse that says, there's a way that semen's right onto a man, but it leads to destruction. So do you think it was, and I'm sure it's both, but do you think it's?

Pierre Bakouetila (08:19.522)
brother.

Pierre Bakouetila (08:38.892)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (08:42.847)
one that you were just kind of doing it your way or God allowed you to go to this wilderness and be like, cause you know, Pierre, like you're to have to come back to me, my son.

Pierre Bakouetila (08:50.444)
Definitely. Okay.

He definitely allowed it. was just like, you're going to come back. have to like, it's not even like I had a choice. It's more so, it's more, I mean, there is freedom of will, of course. So I did have a choice, but it's more so that you cannot surprise God. So he already knew, he already knew you're going to go there. You're going to be far. You're going to go try to crawl there and all this and all that. You'll come back eventually. Just go ahead and do your thing.

Jethro Casie (09:13.519)
Bye

Pierre Bakouetila (09:24.012)
But as far as the wilderness, brother, is, when I say the wilderness, I'm just talking about the world in general, just the world as it is. Brother, you have to understand that see no evil, speak no evil, right? The thing is, I was going about the world because being in that environment, let me go back quickly to the boarding school. So being in that environment, you're protected, but the thing is that it creates that false sense of reality of

Jethro Casie (09:46.679)
Yeah

Pierre Bakouetila (09:53.346)
Everybody is good because everyone that you meet teacher friend person that comes on campus. They're all Christians They're all Christians. So you're not ready for the atheist Especially if you have the misconception that you're a Christian and you don't know that essentially you're agnostic yourself you see so Now you're moving and you're basing this but your house is already built on the sand. It's not on the rock It's it's brittle and you think and you think that you're moving

Jethro Casie (10:17.59)
Mm. Mm.

Mm.

Pierre Bakouetila (10:22.85)
And so moving forward from there, there's one thing that I did. Brother, if you read the Bible and you stop at the Old Testament, you will believe that you are God. If you like to understand, you will believe that you are God.

Jethro Casie (10:37.155)
Well, why do you say that?

Pierre Bakouetila (10:38.71)
because I was challenging God myself. As in, imagine the audacity of presenting yourself in front of the Almighty God and challenging Him in your own name. He will send you through the wilderness. Remember the Tower of Babel, Nimrod, he had everything, all the material possessions. He was like, okay, let us build a tower to go on to the heavens. I said, that's what you're doing?

Let me put a little bit of confusion, sprinkle a little bit of confusion upon you guys, divide your tongues. And then the tower never made it all the way to the heavens. So in that sense, I invite every Christian, even in their own belief, you have to test the power of God. He will show you how mighty He is and how much He loves you. Excuse me. But do not challenge Him in your own name, brother, because you can't.

Jethro Casie (11:07.502)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (11:26.679)
Amen.

Pierre Bakouetila (11:34.892)
You cannot do it.

Jethro Casie (11:37.589)
So what is that? Because that's very deep what you're saying and I want people to understand what's the difference between testing God? I know the Bible even says you can test. forget exactly how the verse puts it, but you can test the Lord your God. But there's a difference between testing in the name of Jesus versus challenging in your name. And what's that difference to you? How can you explain that to the people?

Pierre Bakouetila (11:40.183)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (11:59.168)
Well, let me bring this little bit of understanding because I don't know. I'm guessing like this is also friendly to the unbeliever. You know, the person that just wants to strengthen for Christ. So when you're in sin, you have to understand that you are God's opposition because understand that the all seeing eye is watching all of us every single move at all times. He cannot be surprised and he understands what we are. We are human.

Jethro Casie (12:04.623)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (12:09.112)
Yeah

Pierre Bakouetila (12:29.132)
He also understands that we cannot understand. We as humans, as I've received salvation, you have received salvation, we truly lack understanding. Nobody is cracking all the wonders of the Bible. That's why it's a living text. Every day you read the same verse, it brings a different understanding. So now God manifests himself and brings himself as the son, but the son, I and the father are one.

It's written in red. That's, that's, it's written in red. Like you cannot take that away. You see, so now he brings his son. The son says, I am here to deliver you. I'm here to help you guys. Holy and undefiled. We crucified him on the cross of Calvary. And even at that, the greatest show of mercy, father forgive them for they know not what they are doing. You see, and that in itself shows already.

Jethro Casie (12:56.879)
Mm-hmm.

and

Pierre Bakouetila (13:26.007)
the character of Christ. Just how the Father cares for His creation. The thing is that through Christ, you now have to take on the identity of Christ in the hour of the Father to be saved. But if you do not take that identity through Christ and you present yourself as yourself, your words are like filthy rags. It does not matter what you do or what you say. The first person I tried to defy God was Lucifer, casted out of heaven.

God could have just, he disappears. But he said, no, I love you so much, you will never understand why you cannot be me. Here you go, go ahead and do this right here. And then after you're done playing around, we'll bring you to hell and then you'll kill over there. It's okay, it's okay. You have so much chaos in you and you're so self righteous that it's okay, I'll bring you into your own spot. That's because I love you, it's not your fault. You see, so.

Just getting that understanding and now presenting yourself in front of God and just like Praying and requesting something and not sealing it in Jesus name. You have no protection at all You see and the thing is that the answer that God will give you is not to harm you He spends what you properly not to harm you but the thing is Once you receive it if you don't receive it with the grace and peace that you receive through the Lord Jesus You will look at the situation

What's going on like I'm just getting problems and problems or problems. It's just empty cycles You shall reap what you sow went to the ground. It's kind of funny in it because People people don't understand that like prayer is immediate you you get you get the answer immediately The thing is that whatever happens next from that prayer. There's a lesson to it Lord give me strength if you made you strong you will never you will never truly be strong and then without strength What would you do? You would never get true understanding

So I will bring you through these trials. It's just lean on me. That's all you need. It's just me. You don't need this. don't need. Lean on me. will. I will fight your battles for you. If God blesses you at the arrival, brother, nobody is standing there. Nobody is standing in the way. doesn't matter. You can be faced by a mountain or you can be faced by a pebble. You will all be the same.

Jethro Casie (15:49.615)
preach man of God. That was deep. You said so many things that I want to touch upon though. Cause I think it's like, I don't think it's in stages of faith for everybody. I believe we do grow in our faith. Like even as a apostle Paul says, like when you were like babies in the faith, I would give you milk. But now as we grow, like I'm giving you like meat, like spiritual food and all that. what, what was that moment where, cause I do believe it as a revelation where it's like even like submitting.

to the will of God and like, Father, like your will be done, not mine. I feel like that's also like part of like dying to self and constantly like checking even your heart posture. And when you were saying like how you even the way the way people will pray about things or receive a blessing, if you have the blessing, but you don't have the heart posture of Christ, like that, that lowly and humble posture, you can, that blessing can then turn into a curse or you can begin cursing God because of what he's trying to do for you. And he can't see like the blessing around you. And now I'm reminded of like the, story of Job where

Pierre Bakouetila (16:25.602)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (16:34.262)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (16:50.58)
He's allowed, the devil's allowed to like touch his life and in that if he were to like where his wife says like curse God and die and if you were supposed to do that and if he was to do that he would have missed the blessing and all of like the testimony that would happen after where now he can testify of the goodness of God. So what was that for you? Because I feel like everybody's, and I'll share this real quick too because I had this idea.

Pierre Bakouetila (17:03.65)
Exactly.

Jethro Casie (17:12.109)
And I think it was like a lie from the devil now. And I think the Holy Spirit revealed that to me was that everybody's testimony has to be one of like suffering and like, like pain and all that. that's not every, people's testimony is just like, God has been good to me. You know what I mean? So what's been, what's been your testimony?

Pierre Bakouetila (17:30.162)
It's not been good at all. me... It's not been good at all. there are certain things that are ongoing right now that I'm not going to touch about, but I am so at peace. It's like the enemy has been defeated a long time ago. It's just like, without your understanding, I'm just steady like a ship. Like there's so much power in silence because the power of life and death is within the tongue.

Jethro Casie (17:44.206)
Amen.

Amen.

Pierre Bakouetila (17:58.548)
If you curse your enemies and you're anointed brother understand what you've just released on that person's life. But the thing is that You are not to curse but bless your enemies So now if you curse that enemy understand that you shall be repaid in the same way that you have divided You see because you're supposed to bring together you're supposed to be the glue so let me just bring you to Like the major piece really that has brought me true understanding is

the lack of understanding, like lacking understanding for so long, brother, understand that whenever, for example, I'll go back to like a little bit and speak on my family. So I grew up, I'm the last child, okay, the youngest one. everybody is protecting you. Everybody's like, hey, this is the little brother, this and that, like, here's my little brother, you know, this and that. You just come and you play. But the thing is,

Jethro Casie (18:42.285)
Yeah, for sure.

Jethro Casie (18:54.229)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (18:59.904)
Whenever you start to understand certain things and then you wonder, okay, could I speak my mind? And the people around you do not understand what you're trying to say to them and they take it as disrespect. Then you just start dimming a little bit. You dim slowly, you start to silence yourself.

And then just watch and you observe and then you watch and you observe. So now going through that lacking understanding even in school, right? Even in school, like I'm in a Christian environment. I'm so protected, brother. Like I'm surrounded by, by nothing but Christians. I'm surrounded by little angels at all times. The second you get released to college and you get released into, into this world, bro, brother, if you did not understand that like

there is good and evil, you will see good everywhere. But I've been in situations where I've been gun pointed before. You understand? like, in that situation, I'm terrified. But the thing is, I'm just like, why is this happening? But see no evil, speak no evil. You'll just be like, okay, whatever. I looked at this brother in the eyes and I told him, can you move that away from me? Knowing that I'm terrified.

I just said, can you move that away from me? Because I could see that like, maybe I saw only good in that person's eyes. I didn't see the evil behind the intention. So I was just like, can you move that away from me? But with the retrospect, now that I'm thinking about it, I could have really been in danger. Especially knowing that like later on, that person got convicted for murder. Literally. You see, it's like going through experiences like that. You're just like.

What the heck? But the thing is that, understand that I'm getting this understanding at like what, 22, 23 roughly, I'm starting to like see like, whoa, okay, wait, wait, This guy, wait, this is what you're, this is what, no, no, no, no. Let me go back to what I know. Let me go back to, wait, wait, wait, wait. How was it? Before I was so happy, I was so good. What was going on? The word of God.

Pierre Bakouetila (21:23.82)
You just now start reading your words. You read, you read and you read. Do understand that I have now? And mind you, when I'm reading, I'm still reading as like, I'm reading this as the scientist now. Because understand that I told you I reviewed God three times. I went from in school, like throughout school, like I'm going great. I'm doing great. Whatever graduation comes, I end up in a breakup. That breakup like really like broke me. Like I'm talking about like depression from there.

I didn't even know was depressed. That's what I'm saying. no evil, speak no evil. I'm not even understanding that I'm going through depression. All these things are happening, but I'm just chilling. But in the midst of that depression, I blame God for it. I blame God for the breakup. Not understanding what was the reason for that breakup. You see, what was the reason for this, for that? So I'm just blaming God, like, this is happening, this is happening, that, this, this, that, I'm just like, okay.

let it be. But I challenged them in my own name. So that was the first time. And that's when he sent me to the wilderness. So now I'm moving around with nothing but confusion and cloudiness upon my mind to where...

Jethro Casie (22:34.903)
So what did that wilderness look like? you're like 18 at this point and this is like your first time like truly, yeah. And were you, guess more so, cause something interesting that you said earlier was that even though you were around a lot of Christians, there were also like a lot of people who were basically like agnostic at the same time. what was your, what did your faith look like after you broke up with this girlfriend?

Pierre Bakouetila (22:41.588)
Yeah, 18, 19.

Pierre Bakouetila (22:56.066)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (23:02.083)
You went through depression, were you still believing in God? Did you more like, I'm kind of over God for a bit. What was your, what was that wilderness that that was happened after?

Pierre Bakouetila (23:11.51)
Yeah, so definitely I still believe in God strong strong conviction like it's not it's not Believing in God is not really like my choice like I know that like there has to be something because just the fact that like there's the notion of like okay, this this is a good idea. This is a bad idea or This like I don't know I Would I would want to do this or I wouldn't want to do this like the fact that like you have a choice Means that like there has to be a God because you cannot articulate

Morals like like more is something that you cannot really articulate like why do we have morals? You can't really put a scientific equation towards that but so from there I knew that it was about was I blame God directly I Directly blame God and I said this is what you did to me. Why would you put me through this pain? What would you do? Why would you do that? But I did it I didn't feel my prayer in Jesus name I was just like you're you're you're like you're so evil. I what would you do this to me?

From there, brother, just understand that I received that answer immediately. Immediately from there, nothing made sense. Nothing made sense, like nothing that I didn't make sense. I would try to take this course, didn't make sense. I would try to go this pathway, change, change, I wanna do business, wouldn't work. I want to learn this, wouldn't work. I want to be friends with this person, wouldn't work. Nothing would work. So imagine that now going on for

about a year or two, three years roughly. yeah, about a year, a year or two. And then from there, you're like, man, I don't know what to do. God, look, I've tried everything. I just surrender. I surrender the body, Like do whatever. But the thing is, you have to align to his will. So.

Even though I surrendered the body about two years after that, like, and I'm just going through the world. So I'm learning like about like people are partying and all this and all that. I'm not even under like, I'm just partying. Like I've never, I've literally never gotten the chance to actually go out and party when I was a kid or like even be around those types of environments to get that discernment myself. If I'm not exposed now, I don't even know how that works. You see, I'm just going around partying.

Pierre Bakouetila (25:39.84)
doing all of these things like drinking, smoking, that people, college life basically. Just living that college lifestyle. And in my head I'm just like, man, there has to be something else. There has to be something else to this. Because freshman year went through, wow, okay, this is kind of fun, like partying every day, like you're just out there drinking whatever, okay.

sophomore year goes by, man, okay, this is kinda like what is going on guys, like it's redundant and I'm still feeling the same way, nothing is really changing, partying can be the answer, but I'm still not thinking about the text, I'm not thinking about the text at all, I'm just like, okay, let me just keep going, but in those partying environments, for some reason I would,

always like bring some level of wisdom or some level of like Christ-like. I joined this party org my sophomore year and I'm not going to mention the name but I joined this party org and like the whole goal is you throw parties, people show up, drink, whatever and then leave. And even in the midst of being in that party org, I realized one thing, every single meeting that we're hosting

People are just fried drunk I'm talking about everybody is baked in there either from smoking or from drinking and I'm just like Wow Okay, this is what you guys are doing like we're in the meeting that's supposed to organize the proceedings Excuse me, and you guys are just drinking and I indulged in it

I'm doesn't it of course. I'm not a saint. I'm doesn't I was drinking drinking drinking up until it got to the point where I was like wait Okay, this is actually going to make my liver cry one day or another This needs to stop and then people would tell me you think you're better than us for drinking you think you're better than us for no But it reminds me of did not be an equally yoked brother even Anyway, so

Pierre Bakouetila (28:01.302)
Yeah, people are just drinking and I'm just like, yeah, nah, I won't drink. I would show up to these parties and I would literally do the job. Like, okay, my job is to stand at the door and get the money from people and just put it in the bag. Okay, cool, put it in the bag. I'm just doing this completely sober. And it would seem so alien that I'm doing this completely sober. I'm just like, wow, that is kind of crazy. But I'm still not, it's still not.

in my head, it's still my processing. And I was like, there has to be something else, man. And I would just keep praying. And then I would address my prayers, really, like I would say, two years in is when I shifted from praying in my own name to really praying in Jesus' name. And I was like, And I addressed this one prayer and I was like, Father God, I do not know the way. I do not know anything.

I surrender in Jesus name. I swear and I promise you brother

Pierre Bakouetila (29:10.912)
Like in that moment, I did not feel anything at all. I did not feel any like, cause now when I pray, it's just like you can't help but it's here, it's here. You can't help but you're happy, you have the strength. But in that moment, I did not feel anything, but I had faith. I had faith in that prayer. For some reason I had faith. I believe that like this prayer was like somebody heard.

this prayer somewhere, some way, somehow somebody heard this prayer.

Jethro Casie (29:47.449)
So before you continue, Pierre, did you have before this, because even to me, I didn't know, I think it's a revelation to even have a prayer in Jesus' name, because I think before, at least the way I was raised, I would just pray like, yeah, I would pray like the Our Father, the Hail Mary, and all that. what was what led to the revelation of praying in Jesus' name up to that point? And were you praying?

Pierre Bakouetila (30:06.806)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (30:14.329)
throughout these two years when you were still in the world? Or what did that kind of look like as well?

Pierre Bakouetila (30:20.198)
yes, I was praying but not, but it was more of a nunction of the flesh. As in, I was praying and addressing the casual prayer, hey God, how you doing? It's nice, bye, and then leave. That's ridiculous, that's ridiculous. I would never have the audacity to do that today. No, it's just like, hey, hi, bye. Because prayer is a conversation.

I mean you actually, if you sit there after like giving the thanksgiving, after giving, after like just praying for your life, praying for your family, protecting others, protecting the people that want to actually see you do bad, all these things. After you've done that, brother, you know that like when you sit there, he speaks a lot. He really be speaking a lot. So yeah, so I would go and pray, but not.

sit for the answer. So that's when that disconnect of understanding even came about. Now, just to touch back on the revelation of praying in Jesus' name, I literally had a dream. I literally just had a dream and it said, in Jesus' name. At the end, it just said, in Jesus' name. And that dream was one of the most terrifying things. It was literally me and it was a house that I grew up in with my parents.

And we used to have like this chicken coop, like in the back of the house that would like, it was kind of like, it would kind of like divide. So where the chicken would be and then the rest of the back of the yard. And then there would be like a bunch of junk, but like I was being chased by this like midget creature, like.

I'm telling you, maybe...

Pierre Bakouetila (32:12.226)
three feet tall, something like that. But I was being chased by that creature. And I ran and I cut the corner around the chicken coop and I jumped the wall. And the second I jumped the wall, I jumped into some light. And it said in Jesus name. And then I woke up and I was like, okay, this, whoa, you really drank a lot last night. You see, it's not a spiritual revelation. It's brother, you were drunk. see? And then from there, was just like,

In Jesus name it wasn't it wasn't really a thought of like I have to seal this prayer in Jesus name but more so in Jesus name and it was done from there it was done and even as I look back as like I've progressed from there it was all God's will like just everything from relationships to what you call it to friendships to just like work

whatever like Everything was just God's will from there. It was just God's will with retrospect. I'm just like whoa man Man like the journey the journey back was was long but the thing is The journey back took me about I would say like year and a half year or so but

And then within that year, there's things that are going on right now that I can't even touch on right now. But just know that like, as soon as I wrap this, I will be able to touch back openly on this because I'm like, this is where the true understanding comes from. And it's very, very like recent and ongoing as well. so understand that like that's my second time because I'm...

First time I openly denied him Tower of Babel, Second Fusion. Second time I him because I addressed the prayer in faith, but faith without work is dead. You see? So now I'm reaping nothing but empty cycles after empty cycles, after empty cycles.

Jethro Casie (34:28.947)
So push on that, like what do you, cause somebody might be listening and experiencing that, like they're praying and they even have the faith, but they don't have the work. So what did that look like? What were your, what weren't you doing that you should have been doing after like these prayers of faith? Cause that's really deep what you just said.

Pierre Bakouetila (34:46.198)
Mm-hmm, brother our father who art in heaven May that kingdom come may die will be done on earth. I like how you see give us this day our daily bread Feed your spirit, but Feed your spirit you need you brother brother sister whoever is watching feed your spirit. You need to feed on a daily basis and of course like

Don't think like multiple Bibles like, like yeah, I just like to keep this Bible clean. Honestly, there's multiple Bibles. And then I would say get a little booklet, like something like this. This is very friendly. Like get a little booklet and then just...

Jethro Casie (35:28.36)
What's the booklet tell people? What's the name? Where you got it from? All that.

Pierre Bakouetila (35:33.25)
brother actually gave this to me. But the name of the book is Growing in Christ. So honestly, you just open the book and it's pretty straightforward. You just, from there, it kind of gives you an introduction, Bible verses, Bible references as well. And then you can fill it out, which is the best part of it. Because now you're remembering the verses as well as you're going through it, you're filling it out.

So just really thirsting for Christ is instead of thirsting for, whoa, yeah, thirsting for Christ.

Jethro Casie (36:10.383)
Yeah, well, you know, it's deep that you say that because thank you, Holy Spirit, because obviously we're meant to like, like have the receive the daily bread from God, which isn't just like provision in the physical sense. And I think this goes back to like how every Bible verse has like multiple revelations and layers of like understanding. So there's like feeding and like, Lord, provide me my daily bread for like my physical body.

But then there's also like the word of God, is the bread. Then there's also like other spiritual food that we can eat on. Right. But then there's also in terms of like just like on the spiritual food side of things, like I think it talks about in like in Revelation, like how Babylon has like its own wine and all that. So like there's just how like an enemy always tries to pervert things. So there's the blood of Jesus Christ. And then there's like the wine of Babylon or the wine of the world that so many people have been seduced and drunk by.

Pierre Bakouetila (36:51.074)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (36:54.69)
Exactly.

Pierre Bakouetila (37:02.09)
it's kind of crazy because so many things have been perverted brother like if like understand April Fool's brother if if I want to make one of the one of the most holy days one of the most blessed days the day that the Lord Jesus himself came to this planet and I want to just flip it let me make his birthday a joke

Jethro Casie (37:29.871)
That's when April fools, yeah?

Pierre Bakouetila (37:31.126)
You see, April Fools. But historically speaking, you actually read, like if you do a little bit of research in the Hebrew text, I personally believe, and this is my belief, I'm not saying.

Jethro Casie (37:42.275)
Yeah

Pierre Bakouetila (37:45.09)
If you look it up, he would have been born on April 1st as opposed to December 25th. So if you make that day a joke, April fools. the biggest lie that the devil is perpetrating, the devil is talented, man. He's making everybody believe that God doesn't exist, but he exists. where you not have young people telling you, yeah, no, no, like that, that's demon, that's crazy, this and that, but.

Jethro Casie (38:13.623)
Yeah, demon time. Yeah. There's got time.

Pierre Bakouetila (38:14.752)
Yeah, but where's God? Where is God? Where's God? Where's God? So like, you understand that like, the devil is out to get you, but you refuse to believe that God exists. Like, because at the opposite of, at the extreme of evil, there has to be an extreme good or else it would just be no. It's only rational. So where is that opposite extreme? It's God.

Jethro Casie (38:40.399)
Well, what, Pierre, I think also like, I literally just having this conversation with my parents. And thank you, Holy Spirit. I gotta say, isn't it so crazy how I'm sure you have this happen to see all the time, but you'll pray about something or you'll do something, you'll ask God about something and somebody else will either have the answer or somebody happens all the time. But people who, guess, don't have or don't believe in like spiritual things will be like, I stress the coincidence and all that. But anyway.

Pierre Bakouetila (38:45.825)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (38:57.61)
Yes. Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (39:07.074)
He is here at all times and he is true. Like that. But go ahead, brother.

Jethro Casie (39:13.155)
Amen. Yeah. Yeah. so I was talking to my parents and it's like.

There's this idea of like, it's God and then it's the devil and they're like on the same world. And like the world will make you think, and this is how I was raised. Like I thought like the devil was just as like, not as strong as God, but they were like always clashing heads. And I feel like that's the way that the devil wants to portray himself. And that's one of the reasons why I also like.

Like what he's trying to do here on earth is he wants to, the Bible even says like, he's the God of this world. Like he wants to be worshiped like as the, as the father is worshiped and all that. And I was, I was bringing that, bringing that up to say like, even though I'm not sure if the devil's the most wicked like spirit, because I know that the Bible talks about like, I believe the Bible says something like there's even like more wicked or like spirits. Cause what I'm thinking of is like the reason why the devil fell was because of pride.

and pride itself is like a spirit. like pride is even like a bigger spirit. Maybe potentially like mammon is a bigger spirit because the Bible talks about not bigger, like, well, I don't know if money if mammon is like evil spirit, but the Bible talks about like puts like God and mammon in like the same sentence. Like don't worship. I'm forgetting exactly how the I'm sure you know the verse I'm talking about. Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (40:27.68)
Yeah, no, but no, but yeah, I understand and even at that brother like hold on wait Wait, I will say this because my computer needs to charge so I'm going to grab the charger But I will say this real quick face the size of a mercy see it can move mountains people believe that like Jesus they mountain move The mountain is in here is the pride but hold on. Let me let me come back real fast. Let me get the charge and come back

Jethro Casie (40:36.619)
Okay, yeah.

Jethro Casie (40:47.931)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure. And if you guys are listening right now and still with us, one, God bless you. Thank you. And make sure to like follow. If you're listening on YouTube, subscribe and share it with a friend as well. But I'll say if you had to just do one thing, make sure to follow the podcast. If you're on Spotify and give it a rate and then if you're on YouTube, make sure to hit the subscribe button. And I want to just thank you guys for tuning in and listening, because.

God has really given me a heart to bring on men, women of God and share his word. In Jesus' name.

Jethro Casie (41:46.199)
And we'll probably go for like 10 more minutes, I think. I said we'll probably go for like 10 more minutes. Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (41:52.736)
No problem. Okay, so real fast. I wanted to touch because you mentioned a verse earlier It's actually Hebrews 5 13 for 13 to 14 and mind you Please may we may we have another another meeting because I have to go through all these verses to really give you all the understanding but but Hebrews 5 13 14 For everyone who lives on milk is an is unskilled in the word of righteousness

since he is a child, you see. So that beginning, the zeal that you feel whenever you're walking in Christ, that's first few videos me. But solid food, 14, but solid food is for the mature. For those who have their power of discernment trained by constant practice and distinguish, by constant practice.

to distinguish good from evil. So you see, even just in those two verses, you can already see that like from being in the infant stages of everything to actually being mature and being able to digest the gospel. So now the person that is addressing the prayer, you have little faith, you are now praying, but you are unskilled. Therefore, once you get

that answer and the answer is not pleasant, you will not see as God, but you will see as trouble and you will start reaping empty cycle. Therefore you need to constant, it says this 14 constant practice. my days, constant practice. So you need to come back to what your daily bread, which is where? Right here. Constant practice. Come back to the gospel daily because the thing is,

People

Pierre Bakouetila (44:19.286)
For everyone who lives on milk is unskilled since he is a child. But what happens to a child? As a child you have to breastfeed daily. even with Proverbs chapter four verse seven, let's go back to it. Wisdom is the principle thing. Therefore, get wisdom. And with all that getting, get understanding. With all that getting, all that getting.

People believe that all thy getting is all thy getting, thy getting, thy getting. No, with all thy getting, all that you will receive from the Lord. He is present at all times. So all that you will receive, good and bad, rejoice in the Lord. You see, so let's just break it down. So with all thy get...

Jethro Casie (45:08.749)
Well, hold on, man of God, because this is serious going on to there's so many spiritual nuggets and I want to make sure everybody's catching in one aspect. This is so good. Thank you, Holy Spirit, because in one aspect, the the level of discernment says like be trained in discernment. And now it's like where I understand and it's through you. So thank you, Holy Spirit, for working through you here because

Pierre Bakouetila (45:18.752)
Amen.

Pierre Bakouetila (45:29.386)
is the amen, amen.

Jethro Casie (45:32.515)
because now when there's Christians who like will argue about certain things, like whether like if abortion's okay or like same sex marriage and not say like being gay is the sin, but obviously like this fornication part is the sin. like.

having this understanding or this discernment is something that you have to train up. And that's why there's so many different types of Christians or even people who are Jehovah's Witnesses or who are even people who are Muslims and they don't have the same understanding. So when you explain the Trinity to them or you tell them, yo, Jesus is God, they're like, no, no, no, no, Jesus is just a man. And then there's also the understanding part in terms of like...

Pierre Bakouetila (46:02.561)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (46:13.207)
Like what you were saying in terms of getting understanding of like what is happening around you as well. Like all the bad stuff is still good for you. Like, and if you don't have the discernment or understanding of like everything works for my good because I love God, then you're going to be having things that are happening to you. And you're just like, you're going to curse God. So yeah, continue Man of God.

Pierre Bakouetila (46:33.066)
And I will actually thank you, Holy Spirit, the next verse, the next verse, you already foreshadowed the next verse, you don't even know, brother, let's keep diving. brother, I told you, how deep do you wanna go, let's swim. Brother, so even at that, a child, so when you come on a daily basis as a child, what happens? You're getting that calcium from the breast milk, right? Your teeth get stronger. What is going on? Foreshadowing. Mature to where you can now chew on solid food.

You see, 14, but solid food is for the mature. Those who have their powers of discernment. So, over time you're already getting discernment. But the thing is, even going back to Proverbs chapter four verse seven, without that getting, get understanding. do not, wisdom is a principle thing. you always call to be wise. The thing is that, if without that getting,

All that you receive, so all the input from people, all that you receive financially, what you may call it, just acknowledge. You get the proper understanding of God's will, you will be wise. You will become wise as a byproduct. even if you just get that last piece of the verse, you will complete the beginning of the verse and get the principle thing.

My plans are not to harm you but to prosper you. Amen. it's too good. But I was telling you, foreshadow the next thing because Philippians, and I will, before I even, because brother, we have to even get into Thessalonians, but Philippians 4.19. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. So he shall supply all of your needs, everything that you need.

has already been supplied and has already been given to you. All that you need. So even when you're gathering that understanding.

Pierre Bakouetila (48:39.71)
It is, he's providing what you need, not what you want. Because if God just gave everything that we wanted, what would he mean to even get anything? God, just give me this. Okay, thank you God. Bye. God, it's not anybody's errand boy that is going to run errands for anybody. That is not that.

Jethro Casie (49:01.7)
And I wanna touch upon that because I think that's also why so many people pursue the things of the devil like that. And that's literally what the devil did when he came to Jesus. Like he's like, I will give you, you don't have to go through the cross. You can just, you know, like you don't have to do that. I can give you everything that you have right now. And I think that's like where people in their lack of like discernment or understanding are like, God, you didn't give me all I wanted. So I'm gonna go consult like.

evil things, like witchcraft is all that stuff is real, the devil has, the bible talks about spiritual wickedness in high places, the devil will give you something, but he's also going to take back more, like 200, 1000 fold of it,

Pierre Bakouetila (49:28.726)
Mm-hmm.

Pierre Bakouetila (49:42.178)
The can give you something like this, Like this. Like this. And the thing is that you have to build on the rock. You have to carve it. Because the devil gives it to you immediately. You try to stand on it. The second that wave comes, brother, you will drown. I promise you. The same way that Peter the Beloved, I'll give you the anecdote. Peter the Beloved, Lord, we're in the middle of the storm. Stop the storm. Jesus said, be still. Just, no, no, Why would I stop the storm?

This is where you are made. This is where I need you to be. Did you know that you would be able to walk on water next to me? Peace be still. It does not matter. You have to flow. You have to flow. Be like a tree planted by the water. You have to flow. Peace be still. It's that. There's a reason why, when even coming to Christ, for example, whenever I address that prayer,

for like, with my low faith, I promise you, with my low faith. And I promise you, even the muster seed is too big, Even the muster seed is too big. I'm talking about like the size of an atom. The faith, the size of an atom. In Jesus' name, I just sealed that prayer. Brother, I receive peace. The level of peace and calm that I had built a patience that is unshakable. And when, I'm telling you, because like, once I go through this,

this little roadway, this little breakthrough, this is my breakthrough season. Once I go through this little breakthrough, brother, once I speak on that, you will understand patience. I will explain patience from A to Z. But let me just dive back into it. But yeah, please be still because I've never seen anybody at all make a sword of pure gold that does not melt and go through the fire and the blacksmith is not beating the...

is not beating polishing. Burn cool, burn cool, burn cool at all times. He's making literally a call to Christianity is not a call to the most pleasant lifestyle. Brother, you could be, if you're that far with the devil, he would never bother you. this guy, that's my favorite element. That is my favorite soldier. That is actually my general. That is my head commander. This guy, he's my head commander.

Jethro Casie (52:01.367)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jethro Casie (52:08.043)
You know, a revelation that I was at church or was I? Somebody, some man of God was talking about it. But how like we're called to be like sons of God. There's also sons and daughters of God. And then the Bible also talks about

When Jesus, I think he rebuked, I forgot who he rebuked, but he's like, you are the children or your father is the devil. So like even though even how there's like father where fathers are, God is our father, there's also people who the devil is their father and that's who they worship. And right before you go, I want to because I put this the Holy Spirit gave me this verse to go beforehand. I think it flows perfectly into what you're doing. This is John 15, John 15, 18 to 21 in an NLT. If the world hates you, remember that it hated me first.

Pierre Bakouetila (52:33.975)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (52:52.761)
The world would love you as one of its own if you belong to it, but you are no longer a part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world so it hates you. Do you remember what I told you? A slave is not greater than the master. Since they persecuted me, naturally will they persecute you. And if they had listened to me, they would listen to you. They will do all this to you because of me, for they have rejected the one who sent me." And I feel like this goes perfect into like what you're talking about, like on this Christian walk. And I feel like even on a...

I'm not sure if this is happening to you right now, but I feel like this might be something that you're going through as well in terms of like, like people are like trying to come after you for your faith. And not for your faith, but what you're trying to represent and put into the world. yeah, continue.

Pierre Bakouetila (53:34.668)
Yes, no, definitely. And honestly, even at that, brother, you have to rejoice because the thing is that that means that his promise is true. That in itself means that his promise is true. Persecution, it's honey. It's honey to the ears. Bring it. Bring it because the thing is that just shows the level of your anointing, brother. You have to understand also. You have to understand that shows the level of your anointing. Why would the greater your anointing, brother, the greater the trial?

And you have to be there and just be planted by water. It flows.

cannot be shaken. But even at that, understand that whenever somebody is

Whenever somebody is cursing you, right? If you bless them, you're actually canceling any assignment because now you have to understand the spirit that is maneuvering them because the greatest and okay, this is going to take us in a tangent, but brother Keith from the standards Houston division brother Keith actually said it the best and I will use them court plagiarism. I'm sorry guys, but we are not physical beings having

spiritual experience when we come to God. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience because you have to understand spirit, soul, flesh. That's how the interface is supposed to be. The thing is that if you're in the world your first interface is the flesh then you have the soul and then the spirit plays in the back. Brother to collect that spirit from the back and wear it to the front my days.

Jethro Casie (55:07.919)
And that's if that most people are like flesh, flesh, flesh, maybe a little bit of soul and they don't even know about the spirit.

Pierre Bakouetila (55:13.938)
Yeah, exactly that's what I'm saying. To go collect that spirit from that backpack, brother. And especially if you're strengthening these demons, imagine a bodybuilder trying to wash their own back without using a loofah.

Jethro Casie (55:18.692)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (55:26.393)
Mm.

Yeah. And I think that's also deep by you said brother, his name is Kevin or Keith. Keith. Yeah, I got to meet him. But I think that's so deep because this was taught at my church maybe two Sundays ago and how how you were saying like, we're not we're not a physical person having or not we're a spirit having a physical experience. And it's like with that, you're not supposed to just view things view through your flesh like if somebody's like, let's say sick.

or something or maybe even mentally like you're going through some some challenges like depression for example like that's not that's not you that's just your body that's just your mind but who you are is your spirit and i always like to think of the spirit as like the the greatest version of yourself like that's the person who is with god and this is what i believe i believe like where the bible says like in jeremiah like before when before you and your mother's womb i knew you and i think

This one I think, don't know if this is necessarily biblical. Well, I think it might be actually because I believe we had a life with God and then we came onto this earth and now we're trying to like live out the assignment that obviously God has given us.

Pierre Bakouetila (56:33.122)
Yeah, just I mean just a little parenthesis. It goes back into the whole testing because Lucifer was literally in heaven. Brother, you cannot. Brother, understand I will give you just a little anecdote. And it goes, it kind of ties into like the way that things are ongoing right now that I'm not speaking about. But brother, have you ever slept with one eye open with your own assassin, brother? I understand the concern of God.

Jethro Casie (56:35.503)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (56:54.798)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (57:00.896)
when it comes to like having a human being upstairs. Because understand that like if the devil was an angel, angel of light, the warning star, Lucifer, cast it down, became the first lightning bolt Satan. Now, warning star, angel of worship, it even said that he had pipes in his body. Like, you see, turned so wicked that he represents chaos, pride.

Jethro Casie (57:17.145)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (57:24.462)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (57:31.612)
everything in his own house in heaven i understand why god has to has to test test all of us because my sheep know my voice he says the lord so if you know his voice in this in this body you're you're good and you can now dwell with him in the spirit but brother if you did not find his voice understand that like you will be his assassin if he brings you to his own house so you have to be casted away it's that it's that it's that but keep keep keep going because you're saying true things

Jethro Casie (57:59.513)
Yeah, no, I was just gonna say like, and that's why, like, man, I've said, God has given me like such a heart for people now and just like having the revelation. I think that's really the only thing that pushes you to evangelize, like God's love and mercy and grace and like wanting to share that with other people. like God's put like apologetics on my heart in terms of like, like saving people who don't have the understanding, like people who are like.

Jehovah's Witnesses or or even people who are Muslim or people who are Jewish like all these people who have this Like kind like pseudo revelation of Christ or they don't have the full revelation and it's like really trying to like speak to their hearts and even even planting seeds and And it's sad because I think one of the it's not sad, but I think it's a no it is sad it's a revelation that I think if you if most Christians are be honest with themselves that they have to go through is like

not everybody's gonna be saved. like, I saw you had a TikTok, or not TikTok, a reel about it. Like, there's a lot of good people who are gonna go to hell. And I remember when I first started reading my Bible, it was like such a hard conviction. Cause I'm thinking of like, yo, I have like family members who like, they believe in Jesus? Do they say they believe in Jesus? But like, how you saying? Like faith, what that works is nothing. It's like, yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (59:11.84)
very sad.

Pierre Bakouetila (59:18.53)
dead. Whether like understand.

You know?

I requested understanding beyond understanding without burden brother like understand the level of fear that I have just and God did not give us a spirit of fear brother I promise you I was standing in front of the devil and telling me yo I'm walking you down with the Bible what's good you see but when it comes to people missing salvation brother I'm truly terrified I'm truly scared of you didn't tell me about Jesus how you knew you knew about this you had all of this

Jethro Casie (59:52.676)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (59:56.362)
love that you've received and just people thinking that like you're being selfish but it's like no it's not it's not being selfish I'm sharing Jesus because the thing is even turning to salvation everything else becomes futile and it looks it actually looks ridiculous like like it's it's almost like living in the world like what you see it doesn't make any sense but brother just having that fear

Jethro Casie (01:00:20.259)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:00:24.884)
on a daily basis because as I told you I've been in the wilderness brother even in my lack of understanding I knew good even in my lack of understanding I have not done evil upon anybody but I knew good you see and even then now being there with like that state of confusion once everything clicks brother understand that like you really open your eyes and you're like whoa I was that close to you imagine if I had that understanding sooner

I could have told you this. could have been like, yo, stop this, like, look at this, behold this. This is the wonder of Jesus. You see, and now you start to fear, you're like, does this person really get it? Does this person know that like, if you do not receive Jesus, it's not a question of, I'm more saved than you, more saved than you does not exist. It's more so I want to be saved next to you, I want to be saved with you. Just the fact that like,

Jethro Casie (01:01:17.72)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:01:23.134)
Even in your iniquity brother, just hold on, just hold that Christ. Hold Christ. Because he will not let go of you. You're the only one that can let go. The same way that, and I actually want to seal the depth of everything for today with this. With this. Because I want to take you even deeper next time brother, I promise you. But I want to seal the depth with this.

Jethro Casie (01:01:41.433)
Yeah

Jethro Casie (01:01:47.427)
Yeah, yeah, we'll do it again.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:01:53.73)
People will say what a maniacal God that if I do not worship and let me let me Because the next also the next chapter on my Instagram is trust I actually touched that at the end But people will come and say because they distrust God so they will come and say what a maniacal God that he made us just to worship him Because who is he? What and so now if I don't want to worship him, I'll go to hell because what?

Understand that first of all, brother, with all due respect, you are mad. Second thing, you're mad. Second thing, understand that this is the greatest show of love. I will go back to what I said about Lucifer. God cast Lucifer out of the heaven because he loves them so much that he could have just and he disappears. But the thing is that when you took him out, you now put him in his own.

You will dominate the earth you will try to torment my children But this is the good test because now you can go and collect your army So in the end I will destroy you do not worry you have already been defeated But know that will create a spot for you because I have so much love for you that will allow you to exist But you will not torment me nor my children You will wreak havoc in your own kingdom. I will give you your own kingdom your own space a sign, but you are limited understand that so

As far as weakness belongs to you, defense belongs to you too. Belongs to you too. Because I am not limited. I am the almighty. I am everywhere and nowhere at the same time. You see? So, even at that, now let's put it into the person that says, Monarch of God, why would God send me to hell? Because he loves you so much that he will allow you. You have decided to live away from him in this lifetime. Therefore, he will honor your will forever.

Hell is separation from God. Cold is the absence of heat. Darkness is the absence of light.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:04:01.022)
It's just that like upon one choice, you have made it all.

And that's where people forget, unfortunately.

Jethro Casie (01:04:11.183)
I think there's also the aspect of, cause now I'm not sure if this is like a hundred percent the truth, but well, even I'm not, I wouldn't even go there, but what's something that I think about, I'm sure it's on God is placed on. Yeah. Well, well there's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I don't know what the exact verses, but there's a verse that talks about like for

Pierre Bakouetila (01:04:25.442)
I mean, go ahead, let's touch it. Let's touch it. Let's touch the subject. I got like five more minutes.

Jethro Casie (01:04:40.173)
those God has chosen, he like predestinated. I'd have to find the exact verse, but I'm starting to believe that like in the, cause like I was talking about, that I believe there's a life before where we were with God. And I believe people already chose, like if they were going to worship God and choose God there. And now here on earth, that's why there's like some people, it doesn't matter how much you love on them, how much you.

like try and plant seeds like they're just not about it like they're of the father or their of their children of the devil and all that so so that's kind of like my my mindset i'm like maybe there aren't people who like like want to be saved and the bible talks about like the the path to destruction is wide and like the the path to like heaven is narrow so but yeah i wanted to to end on on this first i feel like it's kind of similar to where god's bringing both of us and when it says

When you're teaching by revelation, something that I think about also becomes like the responsibility that is or mantle that is put on you. Because now you're in like the business of winning souls for the kingdom. And I think something that everybody fears is like, or I think when you are a teacher and you're beginning to teach people is like where Jesus says, like, get away from me, you workers of iniquity. Like I never knew you. Yeah. Or where he says, like, Lord, we prophesied in your name. We, we.

We gave all this money to church in your name. We did all these amazing things in your name. But yeah, so that's, that's one of my biggest fears. And I'm so grateful for the fear of the Lord because now I understand it's like to also keep our souls and to keep our own salvation. Cause I'm not sure if this is a hundred percent true, but the Bible says like take away or have your work out your, your salvation and fear and trembling. And I'm not sure if you can lose salvation. I think you can. I'm not sure if it's necessarily biblical. That's a whole different conversation, but

But yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:06:31.69)
Okay Losing salvation you would you really have to be determined to really go to the earth like like as in like you understand like you have to really be Determined like like try to can't brother you understand that like the Holy Spirit It's not easy to run away from the Holy Spirit brother Like like understand the first hound hound of the heavens

Jethro Casie (01:06:48.42)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (01:06:52.407)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:07:00.044)
will come for you. Think about a bloodhound. They're in groups of 12. If a coyote cannot outrun a horde of bloodhounds, how many times the almighty hound?

Jethro Casie (01:07:11.151)
What's this verse? I'm not familiar.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:07:15.35)
The hound of, no no no, like God is known as the hound of the heavens. So I'm saying like, so I'm giving you a reference like, if coyotes cannot outrun bloodhounds, like just in natural conditions, like hunting, Coyotes and game, game, cannot outrun bloodhounds. How many times the ultimate hound? Come on. Yeah, so to cancel the Holy Spirit, brother, I don't know what kind of witchcraft, and even at that, I don't believe.

Jethro Casie (01:07:19.874)
Okay, okay.

Okay, okay. Gotcha. I understand. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (01:07:36.483)
Mm. Mm.

Jethro Casie (01:07:43.854)
Yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:07:44.65)
I don't believe that there's any witchcraft, any witchcraft that can truly take you away. Like there's no altar that cannot be closed or canceled in the almighty name of Jesus. I will put anything on it brother, anything. There's nothing. So it does not matter if you go ahead and sell your soul. Brother I will come and bring two or three brothers. We'll be five Bibles deep.

Jethro Casie (01:08:01.625)
Amen.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:08:13.218)
One bottle of holy water will deliver you through your Holy Spirit. the thing is that at the end, whenever you want to say thank you, just address your prayer. Do not even speak to me about no thanksgiving. Just go and address your prayer. Just go and address your prayer in Jesus' name. God will be satisfied. And I will rejoice myself and I will pray for you again. The same way that I said, you have to cast an assignment of angels around the wickedness around you. Because once you protect them, once...

when that demon comes back to torment that person to give them their next assignment, go and do this to now destroy kill, and destroy from that person. They now come back but there's two angels. Exactly. Now you come back the next day you pray for a legion of angels to be released upon that person. Now it's a whole army. So now that demon is trying to come and like assign that person but the person cannot.

Jethro Casie (01:08:54.603)
I two angels standing there, yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:09:13.238)
What's going on? What's happening? It's because somebody's interceding for you. And I will tell you one thing, at all times, even in my unbelief, my mother has always been interceding for me. And that's also one thing. And I don't know who you are, where you are, but even in your unbelief, make sure that also around you, you're interceding for your brothers. If you have little faith, big faith, whatever, pray for your brothers, pray for your sisters.

It does not matter if you see this person is praying in tongues, this person is doing this, they're... No. Pray for your brothers, pray for your sisters.

Pray for yourself as well. Love, do unto others as you wish to be done upon that self. Love others as that self. See, understand that like the same way that you see them, you should see a reflection of you in them. You see, pray for everybody. Because even at that, through that assignment of prayer, you're now, angels come and they smell it. They see, they rejoice, they are dancing. You see, they're around you, they surround you. Now they're surrounding people around you.

No, we can. They will come next year. promise you.

Jethro Casie (01:10:27.764)
You're saying some deep things. We'll have to tackle because you said so much that yeah, but these are these are the fires too hot. But these are some final questions that I ask every guest to understand just what are some of the kingdom secrets of success. So for you, what is the kingdom secret to success that you've learned so far on this walk with Christ?

Pierre Bakouetila (01:10:30.146)
no, no no no, yeah yeah.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:10:38.732)
Yes, sir.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:10:51.298)
Honestly, honestly, can't let me not My words are not good enough wisdom is the principle Therefore get wisdom and with all that getting get understanding but really get understanding Just just get understanding as in I would invite you tonight

just wherever you are like it does not matter whether it's a small room, it's a small like I don't know if you like to pray on a rug or even if it's your whole house I would invite you let's do this challenge let's do a challenge of testing God's presence in our life get on your in that area that you that you feel the best with find the best like the

gospel song that resonates with you the most and just sit there and listen to that song through and then I would invite you to address this prayer my god thank you for your presence I invite you into my home and may you grant me understanding Lord this is your space dedicated for you I feel this prayer in Jesus name amen and just this simple prayer understand that prayer is immediate

Whatever comes next from that good or evil, rejoice for it is the will of the Lord. And he spends all your property not to harm you. It doesn't matter where you go, brother, as long as you have this book, Middle of the Ocean, Undersea Space in the World, you'll be a light bearer.

Jethro Casie (01:12:39.597)
And if someone's listening and they haven't given their life to Christ yet, why should they?

Pierre Bakouetila (01:12:45.858)
Bye bye.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:12:49.673)
It overflows. It overflows. It's just salvation. And the thing is, you should give your life to Christ for he has given his life for you. It's just that. If the God of this universe has given his one and only begotten son, him incarnate for you, understand that he loves you. Therefore, it is nothing but a simple request to ask for the life of dust.

That's how we turn on today.

Jethro Casie (01:13:23.023)
And lastly, just decree and declare a blessing over the audience. Pray whatever the Holy Spirit, as the Holy Spirit guides you.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:13:29.58)
Alright.

my God. Holy Spirit come down upon me as I address this prayer. May you be the pen that rush within my head. Lord, at this time I just ask that this message be covered by a legion of angels. May you carry this message on your hand and that this message be delivered. By this time I ask that this message may not be delivered into a heart that is hardened. May you prepare the heart of that person.

When you prepare their heart and may it be a fertile soil that when you see this song, they shall reap from it. And in this time, Lord, I just ask that you continue to see us through. I am thankful for this small church experience that you have given us. Where you are today, I gather you are in the midst and you have definitely been in the midst with us tonight. I just pray that through our lives, we may shine your glory, Lord. And may your Holy Spirit transpire through the screen and

touch the person that is receiving this prayer Lord. May they be delivered. May they receive the true blessing and the true peace. May they receive understanding beyond understanding but beforehand may they receive wisdom in all their decision making. May their faith increase and multiply and may they understand that the true wealth is in the knowledge. For you have shown us through the one example King Solomon, Lord.

He asked for understanding, wisdom, grace and knowledge. Never ask for physical things, Lord. May we understand that these things are perishable. And the only thing that is unpishable is the one gift that you have given us, which is simply summarized in the life. May you continue to speak life unto others and life everlasting and life evermore. And may we continue to just be true testaments of your glory.

Pierre Bakouetila (01:15:30.038)
At this time also I feel in the spirit I should ask for healing Lord. I command healing upon the person that this is intended for Lord. I command any demonic presence in their life, their strength to torment them, their strength to afflict them Lord. I cancel them and abide them in the pit of hell Lord. May they return to their father. May they return to the wickedness that they came from. Deliver

The person that this is intended for Lord from that sickness from that illness I call a season of breakthrough a season of abundance of abundance of joy and abundance of peace in abundance in all aspects of their life Lord may you touch those areas because you are the doctor by excellence and Only your hand can do everything you have said in your word there rest my children rest in my hand No one will take them away from my hand

Father, may you reinsure that and may you give that reinsurance that the person that is watching this that needs that reinsurance may understand and learn to trust you forevermore. May that grow their faith and may they just multiply anything the Almighty knows, Jesus. I feel this prayer. Amen. my God. my God.

Jethro Casie (01:16:48.031)
Amen. Pierre everybody.