Kingdom Case 28: Ex Witch Encounters Jesus

Summary

In this episode, Jethro Casie interviews Nia Paul, a former practitioner of witchcraft who has since dedicated her life to Christ. Nia shares her transformative journey from engaging in new age practices to finding faith in Jesus. She discusses the allure of the supernatural, the dangers of witchcraft, and the importance of understanding spiritual authority and law. Nia emphasizes the significance of intimacy with God, the process of deliverance, and the need for community in the Christian walk. The conversation culminates in a powerful prayer for deliverance and healing, encouraging listeners to seek a personal relationship with God.

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Transcript

Jethro Casie (00:00.881)
Welcome back to another episode of Case by Casey. Today we have on a prophetess of God who actually used to do witchcraft, but now she is a YouTuber preaching the gospel and setting the captives free. She will be one who will turn many of the children of Israel to the Lord their God. And she will go before him in the spirit and the power of Elijah to turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the disobedient to understanding of the righteous, to make ready for the Lord, a prepared people.

to make known with boldness mysteries of the gospel. She's a servant of the Lord. I welcome Neopal to Case by Casey.

Nia Paul (00:37.731)
is so deep. my goodness. it's real. It's real.

Jethro Casie (00:38.907)
Amen.

Amen. So, so Nia, it's been a little over a year, right? Since you fully gave your life to Christ. Where are you now with your, with your spiritual walk? Yeah.

Nia Paul (00:52.594)
I am at the feet of Jesus. I am so in love with the Lord. Like I never would have thought that I would be here right now.

I grew up in church. I got baptized when I was seven, but I always had questions. Like I've always been drawn to the supernatural and what I know now is the prophetic. But because I grew up like Christian Baptist, they don't have prophets and stuff in the church. You have your pastor, your deacons. So I didn't know anything about that, but I did know about psychics. So I saw my first psychic when I was 16 and like that was how like the door got opened for me. But I've always, I've always had a curiosity.

and I've always known that there was more and God has just been so gracious to me over this past year because I went to him with questions because I like I had questions and I said well Lord I see now that this this other stuff isn't working but I'm like if I'm come back to you I need to know that you're real I need to know that you have power because I know that the demonic side has power so I need to have a real experience and every question that I asked him he literally answered it within three weeks of me rededicating my life

that he heard my prayers because he allowed my words to return back to me for favor. Like the just the way he showed up for me. I'm just, I don't even have any tissue just in case I start crying. Like I'm just, I'm just stung with awe because God is so good. It was, we're not worthy of it at all, but his grace.

his grace and the fact just knowing that I was able to leave a life of new age and all the dibbling and dabbling that I did in my right mind. A lot of people don't make it out in their...

Nia Paul (02:37.026)
Like that stuff is real. I'm just, I'm honored and I share my testimony whenever I can to whomever I can because I know that sometimes depending on where you are in your journey, it might go in one ear and out the other. Cause at a time that was me, like people would try to tell me it was wrong and I had all the reasons why I was right. But in due time, you know, when it is like when you finally do have the revelation, you'll remember the words and my prayers that, you know, people that know that they have a safe space to me because I'm not judging. all make mistakes.

And everything, you know, is for the glory of God at the end of the day. He's gone Romans 828 it once you get into your purpose. So, so yeah.

Jethro Casie (03:12.435)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (03:16.219)
Amen. So that's something I'm curious about is with, I guess, witchcraft or anything that's like new agey, a lot of people, especially, I think, yeah, a lot of people are spiritually inclined, like they have because I think even the Bible verse where it talks about his spirit will be poured on upon all of us and all of us will or people will have dreams and visions and all this. So I think a lot of people have this desire for the spiritual, even who are not in the world. So.

I guess for you specifically, did you feel like growing up you already having certain like spiritual encounters, like some people are more sensitive, some people need to become aware of their spirituality. So I guess for you, are you always aware of like the spiritual things?

Nia Paul (03:57.23)
Like looking back I can say that I was to an extent but I didn't know what it was so I was one of those people I didn't have like, you know, I didn't have encounters like seeing spirits and stuff like that, but I always knew stuff Like I've always known and people with like grown-up kids wouldn't want to be around me like be quiet You talk too much you think you know everything but they'll call me like mama Nia because it even sometimes I remember one of my mom

Like her best friend, one of her best friends to date, even as a child she was like, you have such an old soul. So like I've always just had a knowing about a lot of things and that's how things, you know, kind of manifested with me. And then I always just, I had an unction for the future. I literally, I have a vivid memory of being at daycare and I was taking hand sanitizer and I was putting it on the kids' thumbs and I was pressing their thumb into the brown paper towel and I was reading their thumbprint.

Jethro Casie (04:37.203)
Mm.

Jethro Casie (04:50.291)
What led you to do that? Like how you were a kid or? Okay.

Nia Paul (04:50.326)
Like, I've always been it. Yeah, but I've always just been drawn to like what I know now is the prophetic, but I've just always been drawn to it. And I've just always kind of known things, but then, know, when people, when you're a kid.

your natural talents are, they're beating, they're coming forth. But you know, as you continue to get programmed into society, people will be like, you know, you'll start to push stuff down to fit. And I genuinely think, you know, that's what happened with me. I just kind of started suppressing like my knowings and stuff so that I could fit in, started second guessing myself, you know, just with a lot of different things I was dealing with in childhood. But now it's bringing forth.

Jethro Casie (05:29.477)
Amen. So before you were because this is something that is super interesting because there's always like maybe three paths or two paths that I can think of. Like there's those who are raised up in the church and they're just always like, I just love God. Like I was I always knew who God was. Then there's those who were raised in the church but never really knew who God was. So when you were growing up in Ragus right before you were 16 and you went to go visit your first psychic, what was your understanding of who God is? What was if you had like a relationship with

Nia Paul (05:58.606)
I grew up in church. I literally I got baptized when I was seven. I was the first person to walk up and literally after that it was like five other kids came after me. Like I've always been a leader. I've always had influence in that regard. So it's like I grew up in the church but my understanding of the Lord was basically or Christianity was sin and don't sin or you're going to hell. And I just

Jethro Casie (06:07.077)
Amen.

Nia Paul (06:23.476)
as I was trying to understand things for myself. I was like, this is pointless, because everything's a sin. So it sounds like I'm in trouble anyway. But no, I grew up in church. I was in Bible study, choir rehearsal. Even in college, when I didn't have to go to church, I desired to go to church for myself, but I wasn't growing.

Relationship and that's what I told the Lord when I came back to him I said look I said this religion stuff doesn't work for me. We see where that got me I want to know you I want I need to know you and the rest is history

Jethro Casie (06:58.163)
How have you come to, because I have the same experience. I was actually probably less involved in terms of like my church. I'm right. I was raised in Catholic church. So I used to be an altar server for a little bit. And I just never understood like the why behind why I was doing things. And I think a lot of the time now it's like similar to you. Like I felt like I was always preached about sin, but never about grace. Like I remember the first time I heard about grace, it was like a foreign like idea. So when you were being raised in the church and

Nia Paul (07:24.995)
Mm.

Jethro Casie (07:28.401)
You're obviously still in in terms of in the body of Christ. How did you now come to when you're 16? You meet the psychic. What was the encounter? I guess what were you seeking out? Because you already said you had these like spiritual things.

Nia Paul (07:43.542)
told me about it. And the psychic went to church. My mom would like go to church with her. Yeah, so it's and you know over time I've come to realize that that was actually a pattern in my family. I didn't know it at the time but within the past year I've discovered that like going to psychics and stuff that was a pattern in my family.

So it wasn't just like something that happened out of the blue for me. It was a cycle that was being continued But yeah, I went to go see her and it was so funny too because like even though when I entered into witchcraft like I got into tarot cards and stuff like that when I went to see her I wouldn't I wouldn't order or I wouldn't purchase like the card services because I thought it was just the luck of the draw I would make her read my palms. I'm like I need to know the truth

you know and she read them and other things that she would tell me at the time because I was was loved crazy so I was always in there saying about a boy and you know she would tell me the things those things would come to pass nothing that she said about my future you know has come to pass but one thing that I've just learned over time being with my own experience is that the demonic realm, the spirit realm is not equal.

And those who are not walking with Christ don't have the foresight of Christ. If you need to see, if you want to see God's vision for your life, you have to get into the God realm. The psychic can't get into the God realm.

Jethro Casie (09:03.315)
So where are they seeing from? it just like the Bible talks about the something of witchcraft is like the works of the flesh. And so are they doing all this from their flesh? Like what is that process? Okay.

Nia Paul (09:15.182)
It's from a soul level. It's not because our spirit belongs to God. That's an ecclesiastics. Like when everybody dies, your spirit returns to God because God gave it to you. But the battle right now is for the soul. Jesus came to save our souls. Satan is trying to take our souls. So everything that they have access to is of a soul level. So if you make something of a meditation of your heart and love, they can bring it, they'll bring it up to you because it's visible in the soul realm.

Jethro Casie (09:42.131)
Hmm. So how can we know then if we're in witchcraft, if we've partaken of witchcraft? Because I remember actually one time, I don't think I've shared this, is I remember this was before I was saved. So I was maybe sophomore year in college and I'd went on like a a not a I was with this girl who's my friend. And I remember I was like, we were about to we walked past a psychic store and I was like, you know, I've never been to a psychic store. Maybe I should go. And then on the way back.

Nia Paul (10:06.094)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (10:11.123)
Like I swear it was the same path and I just couldn't find the store. I was like, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go find the store. And I couldn't find it. So I think that was obviously God protecting me. But let's say for somebody who's maybe they visited one of these places before, I guess even before that. So what were they like, how are they accurate? How are they still receiving information? Cause I think a lot of things that people are aware of is like what is of God and what isn't of God. So.

Like with your experience there, how do you know the difference now? Obviously since you're safe, but if somebody doesn't have that experience yet.

Nia Paul (10:43.706)
Samuel went to see a witch because he couldn't, wait was it, no Saul. Saul went to see the witch because he couldn't hear from God. So you don't have to be a prophet to be a seer and every seer is not a prophet.

Jethro Casie (10:46.503)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (10:59.549)
Mm-hmm.

Nia Paul (11:03.01)
You know, so everybody has spiritual inclination because we all have a spirit. How it manifests, that's going to vary. That's going to vary by person. But I think overall, to answer your question as to whether or not you're doing something demonic. If it's not, if Jesus Christ is not at the center, if you're calling on your ancestors, if you're calling on your zodiac, if you're calling on human design, if you're calling, calling, practicing yoga, that's not a God, that's demonic because it's Hindu guys at the center.

Greek letter organizations is Greek and Roman guys at the center of that like anything that doesn't have Jesus Christ at the center and it goes against his word then that's something that's something to be questioned because you want to know something the Lord Jesus will reveal it to you if it's something that you actually need to know he the Holy Spirit is very generous he's a yapper what a lot people don't know but if you don't take the time to really go on intimacy with him he's not gonna tell you secrets because when he when he tells you things he tells you

Jethro Casie (11:53.489)
man

Nia Paul (12:03.34)
so that you can use that information purposefully. He's not gonna gossip to you, know, just, such and such, cheating on such and such, or, you you know, they're broke right now, or, their marriage isn't working. He's not gonna tell you things like that. He's gonna tell you things to put you in a position to either intercede or to carry the burden and be the solution for the problem.

But a lot of people, especially in this day and age, they just want to acquire knowledge just to say that they know something. And then they get upset because they're not hearing what they want to hear. And that's another reason how people, the enemy is able to kind of take root because he's like, this is an opportunity for me to tell a lie. Kind of like how he did Eve in the garden.

She got a word direct from her husband, from the Lord, that she was supposed to eat the fruit. He come up, so you mean you can't touch anything? She's like, no, I can touch, but I just can't touch this one. And then, okay, now he knows because he's my omnipresent and then he can just use that to spiral things.

Jethro Casie (12:45.875)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (12:56.115)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (13:03.187)
Where do you think the reason that most people go to to witchcraft? I know you mentioned like the knowledge piece, but do you think it comes from like a sense of because the way that you were describing it I don't know if pride is the right word because I don't know if people are coming with like a sense of pride but obviously like wanting to know.

Nia Paul (13:21.166)
It depends on the person, but I think a lot of it is desperation because there's not enough power in the church. You can go to a witch or a psychic, a medium, an intuitive healer, a shaman, a reiki healer, all this stuff, and you can feel all these sensations. You can feel heard, you can feel seen. But when you go into your average church, at least here in America, OK, let's go to the Lord in prayer.

There's no solution and when you go to witchcraft you get a temporary solution and I say solution and hope because you never get healing in witchcraft like yes You may get healed but you swap out that healing maybe for finances or you swap that healing out maybe for your future children It's always an exchange one benefit that the that the demonic kingdom has over the body of Christ is that they know how to work together they understand the principle of a kingdom divided amongst itself cannot stand so they're not going to sit up here

say no cancer, no cancer, you cannot come here because you know alcoholism is here or whatever the case. They're like okay sure alcoholism will move out the way kids so you can have the show. They just trade it out and they're like okay I'm going to go attach myself because it's in the blood now so it's like okay I'm going to go attach myself to their to their son to their daughter to their great grandchild or whatever the case. They know how to swap out.

Jethro Casie (14:42.695)
Hmm. You're saying the spirits know how to swap out or?

Nia Paul (14:46.478)
Yes, yes. Let me give you a scripture. Let me give you a scripture. The one that's coming to me is 1 John.

Jethro Casie (14:50.993)
Yeah.

Nia Paul (15:01.622)
Okay, so it says this is first John 5 Starting at verse 7 for there are three that bear record in heaven the father the word and the Holy Ghost so in heaven there are three witnesses the father the word and the Holy Ghost and we know the word is Jesus in the beginning there was the word and the word was made flesh and these three are one and there are three that bear witness in earth the spirit the water and the blood

Jethro Casie (15:20.893)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (15:31.803)
Mm. Mm.

Nia Paul (15:31.904)
Our blood speaks. That's how we get passed down from generation to generation. And that's on your vinyl. So the reason why, getting back to the original question, why I think people end up going into witchcraft, one, because the lack of revelation, well, outside of the lack of power that's in the church, the lack of revelation. Everybody wants to be a theologist and do all, think they call it like XO, I, Joe, G, I don't.

Jethro Casie (15:37.971)
Mm-hmm.

Jethro Casie (15:58.773)
Exegesis, yeah.

Nia Paul (15:59.682)
Thank you. The Lord don't have me there. He's teaching me the Holy Spirit revelation. But everybody wants to do that and they're just reading words off the page, but nobody is going to the Holy Spirit for deeper interpretation. And this is literally one of the first sermons that I've heard, prophetic sermons, prophetic words that I heard about the blood speaking. And it opened my eyes tremendously. And it meant so much. Because it's like how else does this get passed down? Nobody's telling me.

Jethro Casie (16:25.757)
So, know, this is good, because what I've noticed is that there's a lot of division in the body of Christ. And it makes me sad because, yeah, I remember when I first came to Jesus, I'm like, this is amazing. Like, I was just eager to learn. Like, you're on fire for Christ, you just want to learn. And I feel like, I believe there's a Bible verse where it says, like, as you increase in knowledge, you also increase in sorrow. And...

seeing how much, because even like what you said is a controversial statement in terms of like, some people don't believe in like generational curses or things being passed through your blood. But it reminds me of like the Bible verse also where it says the blood of Jesus is speaking better things than the blood of Abel. So you're saying that kind of what led you because of like the relationship that was in your blood, because you mentioned that this was something in your family. So you're saying other people.

They could also be tied by their blood or bloodline or whatever the case may be to also being more inclined to witchcraft. Okay.

Nia Paul (17:27.214)
absolutely absolutely and I even have it's a scripture about

Nia Paul (17:40.558)
It is a scripture about how curses travel and this is God himself doing it. So a lot of times there's a lot of ignorance regarding curses because we say hey because Jesus died on the cross, know, curses are no avoid. And yes, we are saved by grace, however, spiritual law still stinks. And in the church today, we don't talk about spiritual law. We talk more so about religion.

spiritual aspect is missing from these things, so that's why there's so much confusion.

Jethro Casie (18:17.619)
So are you saying, cause I think this is something that would be debated as well. So you're saying like, I never knew Jesus, there was a curse on my life. And now I give my life to Jesus, I'm born again, that curse can still have effect on me or because.

Nia Paul (18:31.342)
God is a spirit and he operates in spiritual love. One thing he revealed to me when I first came back to him, was that I'm a God of purpose, principle, and process. Law is principle. And so it's Exodus 20 verse five and it says, thou shalt not bow down

themselves to them nor sir let me go up to verse four thou shall not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath and that is in the water under the earth thou shall not bow thyself to them nor them

nor serve them. For I, the Lord thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children until the third and fourth generation of them that hate me." So that is God himself saying. He's going to visit your iniquities for three to four generations if you practice theology. And if he's visiting your iniquities, he's punishing those iniquities.

Jethro Casie (19:34.803)
Hmm. Hmm.

Nia Paul (19:36.716)
So everything has a consequence. It's spiritual law because you've gone in covenant. Like when I was doing this witchcraft, I was going in covenant with other gods. So my deliverance, that was a fight. They had so many legal rights to me. But not only did I have to like renounce it and denounce it, but I also had to grow into the knowledge of Christ of who I am. Because what spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But if I don't.

how the Spirit of the Lord is functioning in me, I'm going to forever give my power away to do this. Like now I know I'm untouchable. You can't touch me. You can try to taunt me. But even now I'm drawn in the revelation through the Word of God in that.

If a demon, if a demonic spirit, demonic entity, evil spirit, whatever you want to call it, if it even taunts me, it's because God has lifted his hand to allow him to do so, to activate something in me because I have what it takes to defeat it and overcome it. And I can't deliver people by his grace through something that I have not myself overcome.

Jethro Casie (20:35.431)
Amen. And that reminds me of the story of Job, where obviously he gives Satan the, I guess, legal right to overcome and destroy everything. But you're saying when you're... So you're saying there could be like two types of Christians, one who they never... They still have given the spirit legal right, and now it's not like a spirit that's by God. I guess, is that wrong in terms of saying like it's not a spirit sent? Yeah.

Nia Paul (20:59.854)
have free will so God is gonna let us do that's why he's so good He wants us to choose him willingly, but once you give them legal rights, they have legal rights It's kind of like you're trying to kick somebody out when their name is on the lease You can't you legally cannot kick them out. So it's like you can't sit up here So let's say that Let me bring it back to like the whole Psychic situation so I had to completely disconnect myself from everything

witchcraft related. Like I had to get rid of all of my tarot cards. I had to get rid of every book, every healing book, every Reiki book, every voodoo book. Like I dived into so much stuff. All the candles I had, all the herbs. I had to purge myself of all of that because all of that was a window. It was a portal. It was something that I used to contact them with. And so they still had legal rights to enter.

And so, but when I started renouncing and denouncing, that's when the fight really came because then they realized that they were losing their rights. But even in all of that, my full deliverance, like as far as like being the spirits and all that stuff, the party, that didn't come until God said it was time. And it was when I would ask, it was later as I was growing into the revelation of the word, like I didn't stop manifesting demons until October. It should be good.

Jethro Casie (22:21.683)
So I want to touch upon that. So I was listening to your testimony on YouTube and I want to go a little deeper in terms. like people have like a good on the end. This is also for me because I need to I feel like this is something important to know. So when you were diving into like tarot cards astrology and you were doing this and you and correct me if I'm wrong. You were doing this even as like a side business as well.

Nia Paul (22:44.537)
Yeah, I was full fledged. had an LLC. I trademarked everything because I'm business-minded. So I'm like, yeah, this is going to fly. like literally, Satan is so, he's so, ugh, he gets on my nerves. He's so deceitful because the stuff that the Lord has me working on now is the same stuff that I was working on in witchcraft. Satan just compromised it.

Like he's like, no, I still want you to have, I still want you to have a social media platform. I still want you to push out this.

Jethro Casie (23:22.387)
That's okay.

Nia Paul (23:27.662)
still want you to push out this. I still want you to push out that.

Nia Paul (23:35.79)
And so I'm just like, okay, and I look back, I'm like, wait. So I was hearing from the Lord the whole time, like in that regard, but the information was.

Jethro Casie (23:50.395)
Is it coming from your phone or?

Nia Paul (23:52.376)
Yeah, somebody keeps calling me.

Nia Paul (23:59.107)
Yes.

Jethro Casie (23:59.133)
devil is a liar.

Nia Paul (24:02.648)
Listen, they are trying to interfere. That's literally the baby saying. He's really a liar. It's so funny because the Lord actually dropped that sound in my spirit yesterday. I've been listening to it all 13 minutes. All 13 minutes. Tell me what I'm saying.

Jethro Casie (24:08.615)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (24:14.481)
Amen.

Jethro Casie (24:18.781)
So yeah, we were talking about, you just started the tarot cards and astrology as a business, but you're saying that's still where your calling was by God. It was just the wrong means, like the devil perverted it.

Nia Paul (24:27.502)
So what I didn't recognize at that time, I didn't know my office was a prophet or anything like that. So the enemy was able to take advantage of my ignorance. And the word says my people perish for lack of knowledge. And so he was taking my gifts and using them for his benefit. And in that, I wasn't drawing people to Christ. I would say God, but I stopped seeing Jesus.

And I was like, you know, your ancestors did shit, ancestors that like, it just, I was taking people away from Christ. And he knew, like, you know, the enemy can see our scar, just like he can see Jesus' scar. So he knows, you know, at least an extent of the weight that I carried in the spirit and the extent of, you know, the purpose that I have here on earth. And he, he capitalized off my experience in that season, but.

Because God is so gracious, because I've gone through all that, I do have a much better understanding about the spiritual realm and I do have a better understanding about how people can easily be deceived and also too, how those spirits work in that deception. so coming into the prophetic, certain things weren't difficult for me to digest. I was just like, this is what they converted.

all they do, but God is the originator, God, the Lord Jesus' father is the originator of all things.

Jethro Casie (25:48.339)
That's why I'm super suspect of when people are like, yeah, I believe in God. I'm like, hmm. Yeah, which one?

Nia Paul (25:52.909)
Which one?

Nia Paul (25:56.83)
say like God is just a title they all say that they believe in God but if you don't say the Lord Jesus then we not on the same team.

Jethro Casie (26:04.613)
Amen. And then like, it's crazy because the Lord's led me on this journey to where I'm understanding like even there's there's like the Bible talks about like false Christ. And I used to think it was going to be like people in New York, there's like people who say like, there's like these signs where people are like, the Messiah is coming. And it's like some Jewish guy. But in reality, it's like people like Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormons or all these people who have like, or even Islam, they have like a false sense of who Jesus is. But it's not like the biblical.

Jesus. So I want to touch upon like, so you went from tarot cards and astrology. did you find, because I think a lot of like there's a form of truth, but it's not the truth in Jesus. So what were some of the like spiritual things that you were understanding that now as a Christian that you're still able to maybe not utilize this right word, but like what was the correct piece of knowledge that you were learning, I guess, if any.

Nia Paul (27:00.25)
God, Jesus is the spirit of truth. He is the spirit of truth. There is no truth without Jesus. I will say that one reason, let's say for astrology, for instance, one reason why I see people, they get addicted to it and they stay in it because there is a level of accuracy to it, but it's at the soul level. Following, following your natal chart is going to keep you in a cycle of shadow work.

It's gonna keep you chasing the stars because you're gonna always be looking at trees that you're gonna always be looking see what the moon is doing and being as you start because it is a science you can literally learn it and you can Master it. What do you mean? God for all you got to do is look look and see where Venus is in your chart and you're gonna know when you're gonna get married you don't have to consult the Lord about your husband or your wife because all you have to do pull their chart and put them together and then you can see how compatible we all are but that's like that's literally one of

saving gets people because people want to have knowledge people want to People want to have power People people are desperate they want answers, but instead of going into the secret place They they don't they're not patient enough to cultivate that relationship and so they try to take these shortcuts and they think that they're being Victorious because they see it work for a while, but literally the word tells us that the devil comes as an angel of light

Of course he's not going to show you his horns if he wants to keep you in it. So every time somebody comes to you and you receive a conviction about anything that you're practicing that's not of God, he's going to do something to make you stay in it a little bit longer. So even with me, when I would question whether or not I should leave, stop my business or something, all of a sudden I would get a few more clients and I thought the Lord was sending them.

Jethro Casie (28:53.159)
So that's a question. I was listening to your testimony. how, cause I think something that is important is like obviously deception. Like you were deceived. So when you were there, did you have any, cause you were obviously raised in the church. Did you have like, I guess the question is how did you, how did you not know that you were deceived? Like obviously you knew Jesus, but how.

How did this look like God? How did this look like Jesus? To you in the moment, obviously.

Nia Paul (29:22.766)
I wasn't reading my Bible. So when I came back to Christ and I got a good old Deuteronomy, I said, because it literally says that you're not supposed to like that we should not be practicing divination. We should not be dealing with familiar spirits. We should not be necromancy, calling up the dead. I literally was identifying as a psychic medium, meaning I was talking to dead people.

Jethro Casie (29:46.087)
And when you say talking to them, what would you like? Face, yeah.

Nia Paul (29:49.94)
summon those spirits and they were entering into my body. could feel like I could feel what they were feeling all of that.

Jethro Casie (29:51.537)
Whoa.

Jethro Casie (29:57.523)
So where those... So what... When you say that I think of like Nephilim instantly or like what spirits were they? Like because you're saying were they spirits of... Yeah.

Nia Paul (30:11.414)
psychics and stuff they're always in the past like they might tell you something future but they're always in the past I was like your grandmother says this your aunt says this like a deceased relative and stuff like that so I was able to all those familiar spirits like they would latch on to me like one thing that I noticed when I when I came out was that my sight and the spirit changed

And, but before that, when I tell you, like, I did not have peace of mind, I did not have peace because somebody was always in my ear talking. Like, I would be scrolling Instagram and these spirits would just start telling me people's business. I'm like, I don't care. I don't want to know.

Jethro Casie (30:45.523)
They start gossiping to you.

Nia Paul (30:47.886)
I can still do this now, but in times like I can literally hear people's like when they would like my page or something or if I, you know how about when you see a story and you can see who's viewing it? I can hear what they were saying when they were viewing it.

So it's like...

It's deep, it's really deep. The spirit realm, we all, the soul is inhabited of angels and demons.

And so it's just a constant fight. That's really why you have to guard your gates. Because like the way it was described to me, because I asked this question, I was like, how am I still in church? How am I getting angelic impartation, having these angelic encounters, but I'm also still manifesting demons. And it was described to me as your soul is like a big city. And know, different people live in a city, but the more you grow in Christ, the more light that you begin to carry in the word of God, you're gonna push all of that evil.

Unfortunately, Christians also don't think that they can they can be demonically influenced. They think you know the blood of Jesus It just speaks everything because I understand spiritual things and the localities that they've given and we don't look at God as a spirit We think about the man-made manifest but the fact of the matter is God is a triangle God You have God you have Jesus and you have the Holy Spirit Two of these are spirits only one of them was made

Jethro Casie (31:55.581)
Mm.

Yeah.

Nia Paul (32:20.824)
So off of math alone, it's like maybe I should probably understand some spiritual things.

Jethro Casie (32:27.537)
people perish because of a lack of knowledge. And I feel like whenever you learn something new in terms of whether biblically, spiritually, or I guess there's no difference between the Bible and spiritual, but I feel like it's a form of, I don't know if deliverance, but like gaining power, as you were saying. that's something that the Lord has been showing me too is like, I remember when I first got saved, was so, it's like somebody asked me like, like, why are you so hungry for power? Like, why do you want to be, I guess, yeah, you like used by God in that way.

I feel like that's not a very typical Christian perspective in terms of like wanting the power of God to be manifested in your life. But it seems like people who do witchcraft are desiring that same thing just in a wrong source. you go to you're doing the tarot cards astrology, you're doing the business piece. You mentioned that you never had peace inside of yourself and there's always these spirits like bothering you, probably tormenting you. Did you have?

Did you feel any type of way when people would come to you to the business to ask for your services? Did you feel bad at all? guess what was your, or did you just look at it as like you were actually helping?

Nia Paul (33:35.494)
I'm looking for this verse about the captives of the priest deliverance to the captives.

Nia Paul (33:48.244)
It is.

Yeah, it is Luke chapter four, verse 18. says, the Spirit of the Lord is upon me, and this was Jesus talking, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives. Deliverance comes through preaching.

And I can personally attest and recovering the sight of the blind to set at liberty them that are bruised. I can personally attest to that because here I am like in the season of my life. I'm like, why is it not gone? But I had to grow in the word of God. I had to literally have that light, you know, really being forth in me. And to answer your question about feeling bad, I didn't feel bad because I thought I was on my purpose. I literally thought I was learning the truth.

because I was finally having encounters. Like I had never felt, I had never felt Jesus or I've never really felt like the spirit of anything, but then here it is. I can involved in this stuff. Like I'm having tangible experiences. Like I'm feeling these spirits. I'm seeing things happen around me. I'm seeing things be made manifest. And so I just ended up like going down this big rabbit hole, but I literally thought that I was doing the right thing because too, I mean, I say this humbly, this isn't anything to be proud of, but it also just kind of goes to show how

How just because you're good at something doesn't mean you're doing the right thing, but just because you're doing the wrong thing doesn't mean the gift is not there. Because I've never had anybody come to me and not be satisfied with the services they received. Like people left encouraged. People like, my gosh, like how did you even know that? Like I really needed this today. Like they took the advice that I gave them, they applied it, and their lives changed. Like even now that I've come out, I've apologized because I had to publicly.

Nia Paul (35:33.602)
Renouncing denounce like that was really put on my spirit because I'm like some people never got a tear already girl

astrology reading or anything like that in their life, but they didn't have the strength of me and my character and my integrity and I've opened doors for them and whether or not they decide to keep dibbling dabbling or whatever, I need to clear my name and I need to say make sure that I just like I introduce you to it. Let me say this is not a guy, but there's even times still where one person in particular she's like listen, I know what you did like was wrong at the time of God still used to in my life because my life has never been the same since you know, you gave me that reading.

That's the grace of God. That's nothing that I'm proud of, but that just goes to show that no matter what you do, when God's hand is upon you, He's going to protect you. And even the people like who came, even the people that came, there's still an era of a hedge of protection that has been over their life that they haven't had to suffer like I've had to suffer.

Jethro Casie (36:30.673)
Yeah, and I think that's the grace piece. also, no matter how far you go, God can always still... Because it sounds very prophetic. You're still encouraging people. You're still trying to give people wisdom and understanding. And I think that's something that a lot of people...

maybe fault themselves for it. I remember you mentioned like the spirit of shame and how a lot of people will still hold that over themselves. And I think that's, well, one, that's just a lie. Like there's no, there's not supposed to be shame. And something that I'm actually curious about is you mentioned in one of your videos that in the spirit realm, you can't like move with fear or operate with fear. What, is that?

Nia Paul (37:08.142)
Because in the spirit, can see you. They see what's real. They know the spirit. It goes back to spiritual law, legality, and knowledge. They know what you know in the spirit. So if you don't actually believe, I literally, this was a couple of months ago. I had a dream. And in the dream, I was trying to go into this room.

Trying to go back in the house. I went out of the house for something I was trying to go back in and it was a force keeping me from like pushing the door because I'm fighting I'm pressing like trying to get through the door and finally I get through the door and I see this this lady this be a Familiar spirit like sitting on the couch and I'm immediately casting her out. I'm like I would you in the name of Jesus, you know, get out I'll call

Jethro Casie (37:58.459)
In the dream?

Nia Paul (38:00.622)
call on the God of my father, I'm giving it everything I got. I sent fire, I sent fire, all these things. That lady looked at me. And so I woke up, I was mad. Because I was like, she don't respect me. But in that time, I wasn't believing everything that I was saying. I was regurgitating, but it wasn't deposited in my spirit that I had authority.

over her and that she had no rights in the place that she was. I was saying all of those things as a rehearsal, like, this is what they say, say, kind of like when you start a prayer, Father, in the name of Jesus, you're just saying it.

Because it's a routine to say but do you really know the power of father in the name of jesus? Like what does it mean to be in the name of jesus? Are you saying it with that revelation? Are you just saying it because you hear everybody start their prayer with father in the name of jesus and the everything that I was saying to that spirit It was based off of regurgitation. It wasn't a deep seated revelation. So the spirit didn't move but then here we are

said couple months later, I'm in a dream again, in a dream and I'm on my way to handle some deep business and the spirit comes up to me and they took the form of one of my childhood friends but I knew once I woke up that you know it was a spirit but they come up to me and they try to like pick a fight with me. So we fight, we fight and I drew the spirit to the ground and it's sitting on the ground and I said to stay down and it didn't get up because I

that I had and I knew now because this was the second time that this spirit had came to me I knew exactly what spirit it was that was trying to manifest with the spirit of mental illness, a spirit of depression, a spirit of anxiety to try to keep me from moving forward and where I was going. But I said, it stayed down, but I said that in authority because I knew who I was, I knew where I was going, I knew who called me and I

Nia Paul (40:01.582)
experiences and I don't deal with depression or anxiety and that's something that I've dealt with my entire life up into honestly really this whole rededication.

Jethro Casie (40:12.527)
Wow. And that sheds like a whole new light on the story when the two guys, I believe, go to the demon and they're like, I don't know you. Because I always thought it was just a piece of intimacy. And I think it still is. But also like the knowledge piece, like, are you just being religious? And I think, yeah, the Lord definitely needs to deliver me, a lot of people from like doing anything religiously, because I was listening to your video as well. And like even praying religiously, like you're going to God with

just like, father, come to, and I've caught myself doing this. Like, yeah, I come to.

Nia Paul (40:46.626)
coming. Thank you putting a roof over my head and clothes on my back. We are seeing it.

Jethro Casie (40:52.527)
Yeah. Yeah. Where that's not the... something you mentioned where I was like, man, I feel like, and I was just thanking Jesus because that was a word for me is like, let the Holy Spirit lead you in prayer. Like so many times I've been just thinking about it now, like leading myself into prayer where it's like, is the Holy Spirit the one leading me into prayer or my circumstances leading into prayer? So I want to finish part of your testimony. So you go from tarot cards, astrology, then you mentioned like 2020 things start to...

to get heavy. You started diving into African traditional religion or a.k.a. like voodoo. And what did how did you get led into that? And what I guess what was the difference between what were you doing before in terms of like tarot cards and astrology versus the African voodoo or whatever it is?

Nia Paul (41:38.254)
getting in this. Um, you 2020 was a unique time. And honestly, I was into I was

Introduced to it through the cars. So the cars were like a gateway. So here's 2020, you know, everybody's you know in the house and all that stuff were congregating on Instagram building community and the people that I had started building community with they were practicing and dabbling in it So I just started to take some interest and of course since they're dabbling in it when they're giving me readings They're telling me like you know, you're you carry this goddess or you know that goddess or this person? show here this person holds your head and I'm like, and I'm

eating it up in the forest because demons are disguised as angels of light. I'm not realizing that none of this stuff, baby, these little mermaid spirits, like I cringe because I know how deep it is. I cringe to even see kids dressed up as mermaids.

Because I know how deep it is. Like I cringe to see like kids watching scary stuff or liking scary stuff like, because I know how deep it is. But that was really the open door. And so as I started to like research, you know, stuff, I'm like, okay, and I was like, oh, this resonates. You know, I do kind of have some of these qualities. I do kind of have some of those qualities. And I'm one of those people like if I decide that I'm in something, I'm in it. And so I just kept pressing forward. I had got a, I ended up, you know, getting a spiritual mentor that I found through somebody else.

And so she started offering classes and stuff. And that's when I started to learn that I had gifts. I didn't know that prior. then so she would do classes, and then I went to different retreats and stuff with her.

Jethro Casie (43:12.912)
And when you say you started to realize you had gifts, like what do you mean?

Nia Paul (43:16.526)
that side they called it like being intuitive you know start with intuition so she was helping me to build that muscle of what I now know because I do see it spirit I actually I'm a prophet but I'm also a seer she was helping me to build that muscle but I didn't know you know that's what it was at the time and so I was just like oh I just thought you know some stuff I just knew but she was like oh no you know do this do that then she was teaching me you know like

And you know all of those kind of things and it just continued to it's a rabbit hole It's a rabbit hole and I kept surrounding myself with it. I kept cultivating the environment for it I took interest in it and you know, then I started with my daily rituals started building my altars You know took a trip down to the world. Let's go to see the priest and that's what these

That's when the world was like, okay, my daughter, you've taken it too far. He fought for me hard in that season. He fought for me really hard, but I was still wrestling because I was like, I still didn't have, I felt him tugging on me, but I still didn't have enough truth. I didn't have enough conviction to lead. And then also too, it turned into pride because I wanted to be right about it. I never wanted to lead people astray. I never wanted to, you know, work for the devil because essentially that's what you're doing when you're doing that. You're not leading.

I never that wanted that to be my story and I was prideful at a point because I was like no like this has to be right like this Too much of it makes sense too much of it is true But one thing that I've learned to is two things to be true at one time So it's like yes, the demonic world can have power But the Lord Jesus also has power and the power that we're operating from is all the same because Satan came from he was an angel So he came from God. It's just how that power is being made

He was being given the glory, know, and all of these things. So it was a big, it was a big tug of war. But it just, it just turned into a record.

Jethro Casie (45:13.809)
So the deeper and deeper you go, like how did your life look like was your, did people maybe on the outside think your life was getting better? Like, or on the inside, like that's what I'm trying to understand too. Cause I feel like it's a, it's a mental. Yeah.

Nia Paul (45:25.582)
People can't, you can't, you can't smell the smoke if I'm eating.

Nia Paul (45:35.052)
even with all the challenges that I've like honestly that I'm just dealing with now. You wouldn't look at me and be able to tell. And so I was moving in confidence, you know, I still had a little money on me.

you know I saved up money and all that kind of stuff so people just thought that you know things were fine but behind closed doors I was wrestling like I was really trying to figure it out I was chasing peace I was chasing clarity but it's like I just couldn't I couldn't find it so after a point I was just like you know what it's it's just time to it's time to release it but it wasn't it wasn't easy because

When you enter into witchcraft, when you enter into the psychics, the astrology, all that kind of stuff, the first part of your initiation is them telling you that you're a black sheep and you being congregated with other black sheep. So once that programming starts to start, you get conditioned to people not understanding you and you don't think anything of them. That makes sense.

Jethro Casie (46:32.113)
Yeah, yeah, so like, they're just crazy. They don't know who I am. Like a sense of pride,

Nia Paul (46:34.595)
Yep.

It's the system probably it's like that's the first thing that because if you talk to anybody who does this stuff unless they just grew up in it and like their parents didn't pass it on there one of the common non-members is yeah, I've always been different people have never understood me and That's how they build community and that that's how the program starts So then it's like, okay when people come to you and they challenge you you're already ready to stand on business You're used to being misunderstood

Jethro Casie (47:01.906)
Yeah.

So this is something I've been wondering, would it be then wise? like I see it like now, I don't think I saw it before, but like I would see a ton of like psychic stores, like there's even one like right, like right, not near my house, but kind of close to my house. And I've thought about just like walking in there and like, you know, like, know, Jesus type of thing. Do you think that's wise? Like should we be obviously because everybody or we should be preaching the gospel to everybody, right? Until Jesus comes back. So I guess what are your thoughts there? Like how's your heart towards?

people who are in like what you used to should we be preaching to them and like how should we go about it as well.

Nia Paul (47:41.838)
Don't go where you're not sin So like I can talk about this and I can say things because I've overcome it and I have to grace for it everybody doesn't have every Evangelism is not created You know, there's some people that have a special like for instance Alan, know prophet Alan He has a special grace for people who have been incarcerated

Because he's been there. He's lived the street life like he's he's overcome all of those things. I don't have the grace for it. That's not my story. But what I can speak to an attest to is the witchcraft and the idolatry because I've been through that. And when you when you've been through a situation, you also know how the enemy will try to rebuttal what it is you're delivering because he's not creative. He's not creative at all. So you would know how he's going to rebuttal what it is that you're delivering.

victorious in the conversion so don't go where you're not sinned. That would be like my biggest thing because the grace of God is going to cover you in your assignment. But you don't get to pick your assignment. God has chosen your assignment. So no, I would not say that you should go into the Spirit's there. And once again, it's going to be like the Sheba's, the Meir Sheba. Who are you? I know Jesus, I know Paul, but who are you?

Jethro Casie (48:52.508)
Amen. Yeah.

Jethro Casie (49:05.939)
But what if you have a relationship with Jesus? And the reason why I ask that is because I have Jesus inside me. I have the Holy Spirit inside me. How could another spirit have any... Like, shouldn't I be able to go in there and set the captives free, preach the gospel, whatever that person needs, like healing in terms of the verse that we had said earlier? So I guess what about that aspect of, have the Holy Spirit in me. Why am I not able to go into that place?

Nia Paul (49:35.982)
think that should just be navigated with wisdom. Like, yes, we all, if you are born again, you are in Christ, yes, you have the Holy Spirit in you, but we do not all have the same grace. And I know that something is hard for the average Christian to digest because, you know, we've been kind of diluted in a way to think that, you know, we're all created equal in the kingdom.

Nia Paul (50:03.054)
same place and the fact of the matter is when you walk into that place and you declare the name of Jesus you are waging

And if you don't know how to fight, then what? You have literally put yourself in a situation of warfare and torment. And then you're going to be praying for the Lord to bring you out of it. He's literally going to say, I never told you to go. Like there are people, I feel like if you have a burden for it, then that means the Lord is cultivating something in you, but way to your least. Like even now, I'm not going to hit, like even when you ask me to this podcast, I already knew you were going to ask me.

Like I heard it so it wasn't a surprise to me that you asked me but I was like, know what? know that it's time but it's like also too I'm not saying anything I haven't already said but it's like also too I know that I have the grace that if they were to try to wage an attack against me because of things that I said They're defeated like I have I have the grace for like I'm not feeling like I'm constantly So I think it's just the understanding of grace and truly understanding what that

understanding what that looks like in your life and in your assignment. doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't love you. That doesn't mean that you know the Holy Spirit is not going to protect you. But don't go where you're not sent. It's just not wise. And when you really go with understanding of spiritual things, once you really start having spiritual encounters and when you've experienced spiritual warfare, you will understand. B, it's, yeah. Because if that's the case, I wouldn't have been in warfare for 10 months.

Jethro Casie (51:35.815)
Hmm.

Nia Paul (51:39.758)
Because I've dedicated my life to Christ December 17th of 2023. But I was in warfare until October of 2024. And I was sold out on Jesus.

Jethro Casie (51:55.467)
And that reminds me of the story of Assault. And this is, I think, where it's like maybe in somebody's zeal. And well, I guess I'm talking about myself. Maybe in my zeal, like I would be like, yeah, I want to go and preach the gospel and all that. if obedience is better than sacrifice and like what you're saying. like if maybe I can do like a good work, but my works are like that would be my work, not the work of God in that case. So I appreciate that. And then what? Yeah.

Nia Paul (52:21.998)
Like if you have a burden, take it to print. Because that's still you being impactful because the Lord doesn't give us a burden for anything that we don't have the capacity to be affected by.

So it's like, even if you have the burden for it, you're like, you know, I'm not sure if I can go. You praying, you going into the secret place and praying. Like when I drive past a psychic shop, I rebuke every evil spirit. Lord, I decree an act to deliver us over that place, because I have a burden for it. But I'm not going to walk in there and pick fights. Because also, too, I know that when you get to the point where you put up a brick and mortar, honey, you're committed. You're committed to your $10 readings, and you think that you know the truth. And the fact of the matter, too, is everybody's not called to Christ.

There might be one day when I'm driving past the shop and the Lord says, stop. And that's the day that I know I'm gonna go in there and be victorious because he doesn't waste words, he doesn't waste experiences. And it's somebody's soul in there that's gonna be captured by the Lord Jesus.

Jethro Casie (53:23.367)
And that's deep because it's like, at that point when you hear stop or go in or whatever the case may be, the battle's already won because he spoke and it's already finished. Amen.

Nia Paul (53:30.798)
because He's going ahead of you in that place. He sent you. it's like even with David, He sent David to all these places. Even with Joshua, He sent him. When they inquired like, we going to be victorious? Yes, because I'm sending you. But as soon as you decide to send yourself, I didn't tell you to go. By His grace, He will make things all right in the long run, but go where you're sent. And you'll appreciate capacity over time.

Jethro Casie (53:59.131)
Amen. And that acquired peace, in the Old Testament, you hear about people inquiring of the Lord. I remember just like growing up, there was no, I felt like inquiring of God. And I think that goes back to like why people even enter into witchcraft, especially who were raised in the church. It's like, how could you then enter into something? It's like, where are the people who can hear from God? Where are the people? And everybody should be able to hear from God when we have the Holy Spirit. Right. But I think it's also like a training process. I think when you're

like a babe in the faith, you think God's going to be like, Nia, my daughter, in an audible voice. And what I realized as well is like, you don't want that encounter. I remember I had a time where I just heard my name like super loud and I was like, I was super excited. I was like, my God, God spoke to me. But then the Bible verse now comes to me where it's like, he speaks in a small still voice. So it's like, I must have really been missing something for him to have to speak to me. Are you good for like maybe 10 more minutes?

Okay, amen. I want you to go through your experience with spiritual warfare. So you mentioned it was like 10 months and in the video you mentioned like yoga, you had to renounce anything with yoga, Greek life. What was that battle like? And if somebody's listening and they're like, okay, I know I've been doing a lot of stuff that is witchcraft or was witchcraft. Now what does deliverance look like? And actually, is there anything such as like self deliverance? we deliver? Cause I've seen people preach that to like,

I went through like self-deliverance. What are your thoughts there? And then just going over like your spiritual warfare.

Nia Paul (55:29.486)
When it comes to self-deliverance, I'm not going to negate anybody of their experiences, but one thing that I have learned is that there is wisdom in seeking somebody more experienced. I do think that at a certain level, there are things that you can probably deliver yourself from by the grace of God, because I mean, it's him who's doing the deliverance.

Excuse me, I do think that there are certain things that you can maybe, you know, self deliver from, but overall I am a huge advocate for prayerfully seeking out a man or a woman of God to guide you through that process because if the Lord sends you to somebody then that means that they're going to have the grace to help you to overcome.

So I would, that's definitely, the thing is too, you can only grow in Christ as much as your capacity. And you can, it's human nature, we can only stretch ourselves so far. We can only stretch ourselves so far. So like my deliverance process, one of the things that made it so real for me was when I was typing up my statement.

I was like, okay, I didn't feel like to get on camera about it. Okay, let me type up my statement. There's still on my Instagram to this day. And you know, I sat down, I opened up my laptop and my left hand clogged. could not open it and I'm fighting to open my left hand and I feel this big pressure on the top of my head and I knew that was the Lord and I knew this was the enemy trying to shut me up. And as soon as I got my hand free, I got the clack and I said, oh, you are not going to keep me quiet.

And that's when it started. And then after that, spirits would, I suffered from a lot of sleep paralysis. I would hear footsteps coming in my room. They would come sit on my bed. They would hover over me. Like it was, it was horrible. Like in my dreams, I was being chased and, you know, just attacked in all these different ways. And it was, it just kept going and going and going. And I'm not gonna lie.

Nia Paul (57:27.854)
started to feel very defeated but I kept pressing I was like I'm in it now I'm in the thick of it I just have to keep going and the one of the things that kept me was that the Lord just over this time of me pressing the Lord continued to reveal to me of who I was to him and why this was so hard because they knew that when I got free the devil's in trouble because because he's he's he's he's deposited a spirit of boldness within me and I truly

You will encounter my God. Like that's the attitude that I have when I enter into a room, when I'm talking to somebody, you are going to encounter my God. I don't know what God you know, but I know the God that delivers. I know the God that saves. I know the God that provides. I know the God that loves. I know the God that comforts. You will encounter my God.

And the enemy knows that like just like I was ten toes down about you know the astrology and the terror and all of that kind of stuff and I was so convinced. I really know because I'm the Lord Jesus and when you actually encounter the Lord Jesus you could you will never be the same You will never be the same and you can't unknow that encounter And so the process of deliverance is hard. It's not easy and it depends on to you know, what are you been through?

Jethro Casie (58:28.453)
Amen.

Nia Paul (58:45.816)
What are you got involved in what I was attached to your bloodline? You know and all those things but God's grace is sufficient and I just really I encourage people to go through that process prayerfully and the Lord will send you somebody I don't think it's wise to try to go through that Deliverance alone there is a season where he will have you to be by yourself so that you can be with him But even in that he'll send you one or two people because what happens is I've seen people who gone through self deliverance and who are not under a spiritual

covering because they still have church hurt and think that they're completely in the will of God and they're not. They're still in mixture. They're still being deceived because they haven't submitted themselves to somebody to get you know that proper counseling and all of that kind of stuff.

Jethro Casie (59:18.365)
Mm.

Jethro Casie (59:35.187)
Yeah, Yeah. I think it's super. And yeah, I feel like the Lord's put this like a burden on my heart to like truly like understand because so many people have different. I don't even know if it's levels or relationship with God, but even I was thinking about the self deliverance piece because I was before I think I was like, yeah, that makes sense. And now I'm kind of to the point where I like I was just thinking if biblically I've ever seen anybody like be self delivered. And I'm like, that's not a thing. And I think it's cool to like say these things and maybe even like

a piece of it's true, like somebody's supposed to set you free. You're supposed to like, and Jesus is supposed to set you free, like us through speaking, preaching the gospel as we were taught now in this episode is also where deliverance comes.

Nia Paul (01:00:14.906)
Like when if you if you experience the deliverance of a demon being made manifested coming out of you That's because it's running from the Lord Jesus. It's not running from me. It knows that it has no authority So it's like okay, like I gotta go cuz Jesus is here But so if you go through self deliverance is by his grace in there But what do you have to eat this is stated and maintain it because the word of God also tells us that it these fears going to drive places And if they come back in the house is clean

If it's not occupied by the Holy Spirit, if it's not occupied of the word of God, they're bringing seven more. And now what? Now here you are thinking that the Lord isn't real because you didn't follow proper protocol, because you're not understanding spiritual law. And that's where the church is like, we have to get back to the spiritual things. God is a spirit. Jesus came as man, but God is a spirit. The Holy Spirit is a spirit.

So we need to understand spiritual things and we need to allow the Holy Spirit who wrote this Bible through man to speak to us as we're reading it so we can grow in revelation.

Jethro Casie (01:01:19.315)
I feel like we need a spiritual, obviously if God leads you, a law or principle YouTube video from you.

Nia Paul (01:01:27.648)
student like when I'm with conversation because I mean but everything I know is through the people that God has sent me my spiritual father prophet Elias, prophet Lovia Elias like that's who God sent me to grow me through these things one of our really good friends of prophet is Portia Thompson like these are people who understand spiritual things who have gone through things prior to me and they were able to coach me through and accompanied with the word

spirit I've grown in revelation but I could not have done this by myself I would be here by myself. It's the new press.

Jethro Casie (01:02:01.363)
Amen. Praise Jesus. Amen. I feel like there's something else you have to say. I don't know. You could talk about whatever. I feel like there's something on your heart. Something that you want to share with the people before we dive into these final questions.

Jethro Casie (01:02:16.359)
Is there something about your testimony? I guess maybe the differences between like how to know somebody's like still in witchcraft, but maybe they're believing in Jesus. Like anything, I guess that yeah, anything has the Holy Spirit leads you.

Nia Paul (01:02:29.272)
You can't be Jesus and. There is one true living God. It cannot be Jesus and. It cannot be Jesus and I'm a Capricorn. It cannot be Jesus and I'm a Scorpio. It cannot be Jesus and in my crystals. It cannot be Jesus and in my kindlework.

Nia Paul (01:02:50.638)
The Lord God needs no help. He is the author and the finisher. He is the creator of all things. He has all of the answers. He knew you before you were formed in your mother's womb. He slain his son at the foundation of the earth because he knew we would never act right. Nothing about us is a surprise to the Lord.

So we need to truly humble ourselves before him and stop thinking that we know best. Stop thinking that we know strategy. And Proverbs, tells us numerous times that a man's heart plans his ways, but the Lord orders his steps. Why are we wanting to be in control? When you decide to take ownership, now you have full responsibility. You decide to take ownership of your life, now you're stressed. Now you're trying to figure out your career path. Now you're trying to find your husband or your wife.

trying to find healing now you're trying to do this do that but when you give your life to Jesus it's settled. You get into his word you keep his word you be obedient you love you practice the food of the spirit it's settled and even when you don't get it right his grace and his mercy you get that new every day but the word of God also tells us not to take advantage of the grace in Hebrews not to take advantage of the grace that the Lord has given us when you continuously sin

knowing that you're sending the blood of Jesus does the covet.

If I'm not mistaken, that's Hebrews 10, 23. If not, 23, 10. But the blood of Jesus doesn't cover that. That's in the Bible. So I think overall, we need to humble ourselves, and we really need to truly know where our help comes from, and release the pride and understand that when there's no victory in doing anything alone or in your own strength, like you can never, your plans.

Nia Paul (01:04:38.774)
your plans for yourself for this. The way he got what God has shown me about me, his thoughts towards me, what he has planned for me, I literally still can't hurt my mother. And I'm like, I'm so not worthy.

saw that from a from a I've never saw that from an astrology reading I never got that information from material from material reading.

That was hidden in Christ.

Jethro Casie (01:05:04.691)
That's deep that you said that because he says that he'll do more than we could ever think or imagine. And I think that's like even a level of intimacy. Because I think about it like earlier on in my walk versus now, like I feel the same way. And I think that's if somebody is listening and they haven't don't have that level of understanding of like what God wants to do in your life is much bigger than you think. I think that's a piece of like seeking the intimacy with the Lord to like understand just how much he cares about you and what he has.

already planned for you. So these are some final questions that I ask all the guests to figure out just what are some Kingdom secrets of success. So, for you, what is the Kingdom secret to success that you've learned so far on this walk with Christ?

Nia Paul (01:05:45.838)
I've learned so much, but I will say right now in this season humility in that I know nothing. I know nothing and I am nothing without the Lord Jesus. And understanding too that even when I'm in challenging times, the Lord has me in those challenging times because He's trying to, one, He wants to be glorified, but two, He's refining me. My perspective of

the devil has changed so much because I know now he has no control. If the Lord allows him to visit me, if he allows him to pop in, it's because like I said earlier, he's trying to cultivate something in me. He's trying to refine something in me. the biggest kingdom secret that I have is knowing who you are in Christ. And the only way you can know who you are in Christ is in intimacy. But we know Jesus was humble.

He is humble. Even now to this day, he's a high priest and he's still interceding on our behalf. He doesn't have to do that, but he's chosen to because he wanted to be about his father's business. So we really, we need to humble ourselves. If you want to grow in Christ, if you want to grow in inter-seed, humble yourself and go to God humbly.

Don't go to God religiously. reason why the Lord has deposited, I believe that the Lord has deposited what he has in me over this past year is because I went to him with my heart and I said, this is what I want to know. I didn't go to him with a whole bunch of scripture. According to your word, didn't know. I said, this is my problem. This is what I saw. I've never seen this in the church. I need you to tell me what's up. And he told me. So that would be my kingdom secret.

Jethro Casie (01:07:32.711)
Emma.

Nia Paul (01:07:35.822)
true intimacy and that's going to allow you to grow in the knowledge of Christ, who you are in Christ. Once you know who you are, you're going to stop no matter what your problem is.

Jethro Casie (01:07:46.821)
Amen. And if somebody's listening and they haven't given their life to Christ yet, yet they want to, I'm still trying to figure out how to word this last piece. Why should they? Yeah, why should they give their life to Christ if somebody's listening?

Nia Paul (01:08:01.006)
At this point, I would say what do you have to lose? If you're looking at your life right now, you can tell something's missing. You can see that you've tried everything else. If you feel that nudge, if you want to give your life to Christ, if you're feeling a level of conviction, that's because the Holy Spirit has already called you. That's because your name is already written in the book of life. You just don't know what's at. And so you just, like I said, surrender yourself. Whatever questions you have,

ask them, say, Lord, I would love to come to you, but I have X, Y, and Z questions. Or, Lord, okay, this is my reservation, this is why I don't want to come to you. And ask him where he wants you to be planted. Because here it was when I came back to Christ, said, I can't do religion. And when I started off and back in church, he used a non-denominational church to deliver me.

Like to bring me back into the church my actual deliverance but to bring me back into the church I received my tongue in that church. I was my first ever prayer meeting. I encountered the Holy Spirit I received my tongue in that church, but literally I was in that church for maybe three months and after then he said it's time to go So everything for a season and a reason but allow God to do the work and you allow the Holy Spirit to do the work And just know because I'm not I'm not gonna false advertise coming the crisis

It's not easy. The devil doesn't want you to be on this side because he's going to know that you want to be victorious. He's going to know that, you know, that's one more battle that he's going to lose. It's not going to be easy, but I so worth it because the more you press, the more you're going to see and you're going to encounter the Lord and his goodness and his grace. just he has so many faces.

He has so many faces, the body of Christ doesn't recognize enough, at least in America, the faces of God. Like they shout like Jehovah, Jehovah Jireh, you know, Yahweh and all these things, because it sounds good, but do you actually know Him? And that's one thing that He's been dealing with me on as a plate, like with the intimacy, I really want you to know me. That's why I have the conviction about people encountering my God.

Nia Paul (01:10:08.878)
Because I'm actually getting to know him and I know what he's capable of. And he's showing me more of what he wants to do. And who am I to hoard that? If he'll do it for me, surely he'll do it for me. He wants to, because in the only way he can be glorified is through man. And I want him to get all the glory. So don't fall for the beta Satan. Don't think that anything that you've ever done is too filthy to keep you from God. I was basically worshiping the devil and didn't even know.

And he welcomed me back home with open arms. He fought for me. Once I reached a certain level of revelation, it was over with for the devil. He fought for me. And he's comforted me and he's kept me this entire time. He will do the same thing for you.

Jethro Casie (01:10:56.655)
Amen. Thank you, Jesus. And then last part is just the Creed and the Clare, a blessing over the audience. then, yeah, just give us a prayer as well. Renouncing, denouncing something that somebody can follow if they've been in witchcraft, covenants that were not of God, whatever the case may be.

Nia Paul (01:11:13.294)
Father in the name of Jesus, I come to you right now and I thank you for this time. I thank you for this fellowship and I thank you for this platform. Father, I thank you that your grace has already gone ahead of us and that this video, it will meet everyone who needs to hear it. Father God, your word says, my sheep hear my voice. Your word says for those who have ears, let them hear. Holy Spirit, I pray that their ears are attuned right now in the mighty name of Jesus before the editing even takes place, Father God.

get a stirring in their spirit. Everyone who was called to hear this, Father God, for your glory, for your glory, Father God, I thank you for the deliverance that is taking place. thank you for the deliverance that is taking place. Father God, we cast down condemnation right now in the mighty name of Jesus. Every arrow that the enemy has aimed towards your children, who you have called to see and to hear this video, it falls right now in the mighty name of Jesus. Father God, we thank you for the angels that you have sent to hearken after your word. Father God, we thank you for the angels that you have sent to

ministering to your children and to protect your children that they not even step up their toe on a stone Father God, we thank you for your grace. We thank you for your mercy We understand that we are only righteous through you Christ Jesus our own works of life filthy rags Father God with the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty That is what you what your word says and father God we thank you that your spirit is right here on this podcast Father God, we thank you for your service who you have sent forth Thank you for the grace and the boldness and the courage that you have given us to declare the gospel

and to share our testimony because your word says that we are not only free by the blood of the lamb but by the word of the testimony. Father God, we thank you for your grace. We thank you for your mercy. And Father God, I decree and I declare freedom over every bound soul in the mighty name of Jesus who comes over this video. Father God, I decree it and I declare it. I decree it and I declare it. Just as you rescued me, just as you pulled me from the grips of the enemy, I decree and I declare freedom over their lives.

right now, Father God. I decree and I declare supernatural strength in the mighty name of Jesus. May their feet be like grass, Father God. In the mighty name of Jesus, just like you charged David's right hand, Father God. As I lift my right hand, Father God, I decree and I declare freedom. Father God, your word says that the wicked will perish in your presence because I am here, Father God, because I stand as a prophet of God. I stand at the assignment and in the office of what you called me to. The wicked must flee in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.

Nia Paul (01:13:42.976)
I decree and I declare victory, Father God. I decree and I declare deliverance, Father God. I decree and I declare your divine protection, your love, your guidance, Father. Thank you for your Holy Spirit. I thank you for this encounter. I thank you for this encounter that they are encountering with you through this podcast, Father God. You are so merciful. You are so merciful, Father God. We thank you for your mercy.

We thank you for your mercy and we thank you for your presence and we thank you for your loving kindness. We thank you for your reckless love. We thank you for your abundant compassion. Father God, we thank you because you didn't have to do it, but you did.

You ask that the cup be passed, but you still decided to comply to your father's will. And father, God, we thank you. We thank you that you are the intercessor. You are interceding on our behalf day in and day out. We thank you, father, God, that your blood speaks better things than that of Abel. Your blood speaks better things than any chicken, any goat, any human sacrifice. Father God, I thank you that where your presence is, there is victory. We thank you, father God, that the enemy is defeated. And father, I pray that every person who watches

this. Every person who watches this podcast, Father God, I pray that they grow in their identity in you and that they encounter you in a new dimension and that they know your face like I know your face. Father God, let them see you. Let them see my God. Let them see my God that delivers. Let them see my God that heals. Let them see my God that provides. Let them see my God that goes before them in all things. Let them see my God of miracles. Let them see my God of supernatural.

Be glorified, Father. Be glorified. In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, I pray. Amen.

Jethro Casie (01:15:27.567)
Amen. Prophetess Nehapal, case closed.