Kingdom Case 42: Day 3 of 31 Days of Wisdom

In this episode, Jethro Casie and Grace Stone explore spiritual growth, the nature of wisdom, and the importance of the heart in one's faith journey. They discuss the balance between seeking wisdom and recognizing one's limitations, the significance of God's discipline in a believer's life, and how to trust God even when circumstances are challenging. The conversation emphasizes the need for a deep understanding of God's character and the transformative power of His word in our lives.

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Jethro Casie (00:01.647)
Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Case by Casey, Kingdom Secrets to Success. Today I have on Graystone, who was actually here for Kingdom Case 5, where we talked about how to know God's true character. So we're going to dive into the book of Proverbs, but I just want to ask Grace, how are you different from one year ago? Today we last interviewed back in May. Yeah, where are you at with your spiritual walk? How have you grown in spiritual wisdom as well?

Grace Stone (00:29.646)
Well, a year is a long time and a lot has happened in a year and I found my place to be in a desperate seeking for God at one point within that year and what that has done is that it's built this dependency on God and you know just a moment where I feel like I had no one I literally had to rely on him.

and his presence and also his truth. Like what he said in his word is actually true and he will not go back on it. And so that's something that has been solidified for me and that process is still happening. Like there's still a solidification of his word and yeah, who he is, know, so.

Jethro Casie (01:19.705)
And then just how about wisdom? Like, do feel like you've grown in spiritual wisdom, understanding this like this past year? Like, what are some of the things that maybe a year ago you thought were like, this is like super deep or whatever the case may be. What is like the Lord been like really teaching you on in the past year?

Grace Stone (01:37.056)
In terms of wisdom, I have learned that I actually don't know anything and that everything that I need to acquire is from God. so I feel like, I mean, yes, you know, I've grown in my natural mind, you know, just reading books and stuff like that. But when it comes to actual life experiences and where God is taking me, I really learned that.

I'm not as wise as I thought I was and the Lord really allowed me to be humbled in that and yeah. But yeah, of course, I read the Bible and there's so many deep things in the Bible, but I feel like when it comes to really searching the riches of His knowledge, I've come to know, I actually don't know much. So yeah.

Jethro Casie (02:25.191)
You know, I said we were going to like just read Proverbs three, but I don't think we we have to go ahead and read out. Probably keep up like the verses here on the screen. But when you were in your study, because that's that kind of goes directly into Proverbs three, like not being wise in your own eyes. I'm not sure specifically what verse it says in. But yeah, verse seven, it says, be not wise and dine on eyes, fear the Lord and depart from evil. So like how how did you come to that?

like understanding or I guess how do you know when you're being too wise or like, you know, I know like everything type of thing, even because I believe like we're supposed to have this understanding of wisdom. Like we're supposed to be seeking after wisdom and talks about the Lord gives wisdom. If you have the fear of the Lord, that's the beginning of wisdom. So it's like this piece of you're supposed to have wisdom, but also not be too wise in your own eyes. So like, how do you have, how have you personally like balanced that?

Grace Stone (03:17.676)
balance that or how like when do I know I don't?

Jethro Casie (03:20.839)
Either or.

Grace Stone (03:22.594)
When I fall flat on my face, that's when I realize like, my God, I don't know that much. And in terms of balancing it, I do feel like the Lord does allow for opportunities where he does seem a little bit quiet so you can test what you know. Essentially, the test is not for him to know how wise you are, but it's more so for you to know how wise you are or aren't. And...

And so that's kind of how I balance it, not saying that errors are a bad thing. I think that errors are there so you can learn and grow. And I remember this one time, the Lord told me, because it came to a point where I was so afraid to make a decision because I didn't want to be wrong. And the Lord said, even in your failures, I'm with you. And he said to think of failures as though you're failing upwards, meaning that as you fail, you're still ascending up because it's still a learning experience. So that's how I balance it.

Jethro Casie (04:15.321)
Amen. Amen.

Yeah, just came back from a conference and John Maxwell, he's like this leadership coach. And he was talking about like failing forward and failures like in this way, like you're going up every single time you're failing and then you learn and you grow up and that's how you like also grow in wisdom. So was there anything in Proverbs three that kind of stood out to you while you were reading, while you were studying? Yeah, was there anything that like in particular stood out? If not, I can go first.

Grace Stone (04:45.218)
Yeah, sure. So in the beginning, Proverbs 3, I would say the first few verses, it talks about pretty much having the commands of the Lord with you and having it really grounded inside of you.

So much so it says that it needs to be in your heart. Like I mentioned that a few times to have his commands in your heart. Like that's actually the first verse. Like my son forget not my law, but let thine heart keep my commandments. And so I was wondering like, like what is the importance of the heart and why does that matter? And when I think about the heart, I think about

you know, your soul, which holds like your mind, your will, your emotions. And I feel that that's the part of you that really influences your decisions. It really influences like, like basically it's your logic. And the Lord is saying, let my command infiltrate your logic. Like let my word infiltrate your emotions, your thoughts, your behavioral patterns, all of that stuff. And

I could keep going if you want me to.

Jethro Casie (05:52.135)
Yeah, well, I was going to say, yeah, it's a conversation. So I was going to say, like when you you mentioned the heart, the first thing that came to mind is like the verse where everybody quotes like your heart is deceitful amongst all things. the Lord saying like who can and who can know it. But the Lord is also like saying like, keep these commandments in your heart. So like it's where the word of God supposed to overcome, like all these deceitful things. And then when I was studying Proverbs two, it says the same in verse one, like, and hide my commandments with the.

And I was taking that as like hide the commandments like in your heart as well. So like we're supposed to have the the word of God fight these deceitful thoughts that are deceitful desires that would come up and It says it and I'm not sure what verse it says, but it talks about like the heart having Like a table of the heart and I was like, why does the heart have a table? Like what is supposed to be gathering there? And now that I'm saying it had me have the idea of like how

in heaven we I think this you could correct me if I'm wrong but like I think it talks about in Revelation like the seven spirits of God being around him sounds like I wonder if the the table is supposed to be for like the spirits of God but I have no clue that was just a thought that just came in but

Grace Stone (07:03.832)
That's fine, I have no clue either. But I think one of the reasons that the heart is also important is because the enemy is after our heart as well. And I believe that God is so close to the brokenhearted because essentially with a broken heart.

Yeah, it just goes to show that the enemy tempers with our heart to the extent that

heart can be broken and with a broken heart I feel like just like you were saying our heart can be deceitful especially if it's broken because then now it can communicate things to us like God is far from us God has rejected us God isn't good you know what God said he didn't actually fulfill on what he's spoken so when we have the truth actually come and invade our heart that's when we can now rely more so on his word because now it's infiltrated our logic it's infiltrated our thoughts and our patterns and I think

think it's interesting because when the Lord spoke about the prophets in the Old Testament spoke about a new covenant, right? The new covenant, the Lord said that he's gonna hide it in our hearts. And it's again that same understanding of like, something about our heart is like really important to God. It's like the place, it's like his treasure essentially and enemies after his treasure, which is our heart. And.

Just real quick, going back to the covenant, the new covenant, basically the new covenant summed up the old covenant in two ways, where he said, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and love God's people as you love yourself.

Grace Stone (08:42.08)
And so those two things, if we made those two things the backbone of our logic, so much so that all these experiences that we go through, all of the decisions that need to be made, if we run it through those two commands, then all of a sudden life isn't so bad, right? So for example, if we ever go through a situation that produces a lot of pain and sorrow, a normal person in their natural mind would be like, you know what, forget God, this doesn't make sense, he's not real, whatever.

Jethro Casie (09:04.935)
Mm-hmm.

Grace Stone (09:11.106)
But then if God were to explain to you, know, you're going through all this pain, though I don't like it. I'm not enjoying it. You're going through all this pain because eventually I want you to be very influential to a million souls. And so I have to refine you in this way and it's going to cause her, it's going to cause pain. But the end result is that you are going to impact a million souls and God loves those souls just as much she loves you. So a caring God will make sure that a person who is in their right mind.

will take care of these a million souls. So you're gonna have to go through a refining process.

Jethro Casie (09:45.383)
Yeah, because you know, it's funny that you mentioned that because I was just thinking I was like, because when I read Proverbs three, one and two, my understanding was that it's not just talking because it talks about later in this chapter that there's the commandments of your father and mother that you're supposed to keep up in your heart as well. And that like if you wear, let see, it says, let not mercy in verse three, let not mercy and truth forsake the bind them about thy neck, write them upon the table of thine heart.

Um, then it continues to go, but I don't know where I got this from, but when I read a three in one, I thought it was also referring to like honor your father and your mother, which is a, and obviously the 10 commandments. And I was wondering, I was like, Lord, cause it talks about like keeping, uh, the Sabbath holy, but I was thinking, well, like what you're talking about in the new covenant, Jesus saying like, these are the two like commandments that you have to follow. So like, if you were just to do all of this, you would also gain understanding of everything else that you're supposed to do. Um, that.

like the Lord also wants you to do as well. And then brought me to what you were saying about like discipline piece in 12. says for whom the Lord love it, he corrected even as a father, the son in whom he delighted. So it's like, yeah, like the Lord is going to correct you and discipline you. But people have like this misunderstanding of who God is in their lives. So like, how have you, guess, personally, I guess, how have you

How has your relationship changed with the Lord when you understand like he is going to like discipline you and like correct you? Because I'm at the point now where it's like, Lord, like, please, I don't want to like discipline me so I don't make the wrong. So I don't keep making the same mistakes. But also it's like that piece of I'm like, I'll talk to like prophet Alan about it. And it's like everything is a test. And like until you overcome that test, the Lord is going to keep disciplining, disciplining you and disciplining you. So how have you kind of related to God in that way, like as your father, obviously?

Grace Stone (11:40.014)
You know, it's been a little tough. It has because growing up, was like, I wouldn't say I was a goody-goody two shoes or anything, but compared to my brothers, I was pretty good. You know, I didn't really get in trouble that much. And when I came into Christ and stuff, you know, I really thought that this was supposed to be a relationship, you know, where imagine a girl running through the field, you know, wear her cute little dress and there's like lilies everywhere. The sun is shining on her. will never rain.

You know, and that's kind of truly how it felt for at least the first like year and a half or so. And then the Lord just allowed me to get like just pushed back into the real world, you know, because it's not, it's not practical to like just live in this heavenly bubble and never like, you know.

Jethro Casie (12:26.33)
Absolutely.

Grace Stone (12:27.582)
So things started happening and things started happening just based off of like decisions I've made but also just I'm in a world full of hurt people and so people hurt people right and so I did grow resentment towards God first time and it took me a while to even come to the fact that I resented God because I felt like

Jethro Casie (12:38.748)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (12:42.823)
Hmm.

Jethro Casie (12:48.934)
Mm.

Grace Stone (12:50.284)
I still went to church, I still served and all that stuff, but I wasn't doing it from the point of view of a daughter. I did it more so out of just being a servant. And it did take a while for me to really understand like, yo, I'm mad at God. I don't like how things are turning out. And...

Jethro Casie (12:58.352)
Hmm.

Jethro Casie (13:06.342)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (13:10.676)
Even in that, like even in that process, you know, I still had to go back to God about that. But even in that process, the Lord loved me through it. And I feel like because his discipline is not the same discipline as possibly our parents, you know what I mean? Like where a lot of times, you know, you get disciplined because your parents are just mad at you, where it's just like God is not disciplining you out of anger. He's more so disciplining you out of love.

Jethro Casie (13:17.947)
Come on.

Jethro Casie (13:28.743)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (13:33.986)
just understanding, so kind of like going back to what I saying, where it's just like, God's not gonna bring you before his treasure, his people, with a broken heart so you can bleed on top of them, basically. Like God's gonna be for you.

Jethro Casie (13:47.179)
So let's say like somebody's in church because that's a because I'm sure like a lot of people can relate to that of like feeling as if God is correcting them like out of like, like, Lord, why are you doing this to me or having that like hurt towards God and not say, don't think it's bad for you to be mad at God. I think that's part of like a relationship like having and growing and understanding like a kid is mad at their parents and they say you can't have candy. But like kid doesn't have the understanding that God or the parent doesn't want them to have cavities. So like

How could we identify that? I'm just like a tough question, but how could we identify that like in brothers and sisters in Christ? Like this person's going to church every day. Like in our example, like we're going to RC with all these people and like we know that they're serving, they love the Lord, but how could we, like what could somebody have done to you to maybe like notice? Like, do you feel like you were doing anything where people could notice like, Hey, like Grace is going through something or XYZ brothers, sisters going through something.

Grace Stone (14:41.922)
I would say for the most part, I unfortunately am good at hiding it, you know? But I do feel like, at least I can always stick to my experience. But there are some things I do say where I'm low key saying I need help. But if they don't catch it, I'm just like, okay, you know? And...

And I don't even know what those, I mean, sometimes I might blatantly say, I'm going through a lot, but God is good. You know what I mean? Like, but God is good or, know, whatever. I feel that there are times where I might say it, but if it's not caught, then I'll just keep trudging along. Like, you know, but yeah.

Jethro Casie (15:24.455)
So yeah, so it's like using wisdom to because we're actually talking about this with Javon, who's one of the pastors at RC for context of that church that Grace and I go to and talking about like in love, not being like when you're doing things in love, like especially like when the commandment like love your neighbor as yourself, it's also taking that time to be like patient because everybody always has like to do something. Everybody's busy in life. But like looking back on it, there's times like where you told me like

Oh yeah, I'm doing okay. But like, you know, God is good. And I feel like everybody says that as like the, like I'm struggling, I'm in pain or I'm hurting or whatever the case may be, but God is good. And that's true. But it's like, think as brothers and sisters, believers, like we're there to like, you know, like push a little bit deeper, also be sensitive to like ask, ask the Holy spirit, use wisdom and in the sense of like, what does like that person actually mean? Like not just hearing the words, what they're saying, but like also like

like feeling like what they're feeling, like when that person says that or whatever the case may be.

Grace Stone (16:26.604)
Yeah, I also, you know, a lot of times when people say, how are you doing? And if they hesitate to respond, then I know to ask it a little deeper. So it's like little things like that. Or even if they say I'm good, but they hesitated, I'm like, OK. And then I ask another question, basically. Yeah. And I would say sometimes I do that. I try to be honest. Like, if someone asks me, how are you doing? I'm like,

I might say, I'll be better, you know, or like just, if someone just answers differently than normally would, then that's like another clue as well. But I also understand everyone is very busy and there are times where, I'll be honest, there are times where I know I can discern that someone's going through something and I'm just like, God, I'm going through mad stuff. But I'ma just ask anyway. And there's been times, huh?

Jethro Casie (17:07.035)
Yeah,

Jethro Casie (17:19.481)
Yeah, like what about me lord? Yeah. No, I said like like what about me lord? Yeah

Grace Stone (17:23.758)
And there's times, I've experienced moments where people are opening up to me about what they're going through and I'm hurting myself. And then I'd go home and of course I prayed or whatever the Lord wants me to do with that, I'll do it. But then it still feels like what I'm going through hasn't been addressed, you know? And so...

Jethro Casie (17:31.558)
Hmm.

Grace Stone (17:43.934)
I do want to, I don't get upset when people don't get those cues. Like if I'm saying I'm crying out for help and they don't respond, I don't get upset because I know everyone's going through something too, you So, yeah.

Jethro Casie (17:55.219)
Yeah. Amen. Well, was there anything else that stood out to you in a proverb series?

Grace Stone (18:01.228)
Yes, verse three. So funny enough, and you out read it real quick. Because you read it already again, let not mercy and truth forsake the by them about that. Write them upon the table of that art. So you know, it's crazy, like, God be giving me dreams, right? Especially as it pertains to things I'm about to do. And so he gave me a dream this morning.

Jethro Casie (18:05.402)
Yeah, go ahead.

Grace Stone (18:21.038)
About this verse and I feel like the Lord illustrated it for me. So basically like in the dream my mom gave me a necklace and She was like basically take care of this necklace like it's an important necklace And so I put it on and as I'm going about my day the necklace started speaking to me like commandments of the Lord and verses of God and pieces of wisdom and So when I woke up, I'm like God like that was like an illustration of this verse where God's literally saying put this on your neck I think he says it again

Jethro Casie (18:28.007)
Mm.

Grace Stone (18:50.992)
to basically like literally wear my commandments and of course I'm not saying to God and buy a necklace or anything if you want to, okay, but not even to literally get a necklace but to treat it with that much certainty and care. The word of God needs to be certain in your heart so much so that as you go about your day, you're literally hearing.

Jethro Casie (18:55.835)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (19:14.766)
the word of God, you're hearing his commandments, you're reminded that you go through a situation in school or work that pisses you off, you're reminded of his verses on how to handle the situation. that and.

Jethro Casie (19:30.791)
And on that, because I had like different translations have different words instead of like mercy and truth. But when you go into like the actual Hebrew, it talks about like, let not goodness, kindness, faithfulness, truth, and sureness, reliability and stability leave you. And I think that's also talking about like knowing like who God is, like, God's always going to be good faith, because honestly, it'd be tough in life. You know, I used to.

I used to, and I think this is like kind of ignorance. I'm kind of changing my perspective on this. And I'll be like, you know, life's not hard, you know, like, I'm like, life's not that hard, but like, I've been coming to the realization that like, it's okay to say like, life is hard. Cause I used to be like trying to be like super positive and all that, but yeah, life is hard. sometimes, cause I get like really anxious. Like I noticed like, if it's, especially like, if I put things off, like I'll get really anxious and like overwhelmed, like super easily, which I noticed since like, if I don't give that to God, that stuff can like,

ruined my whole day and I'm like, but life's not hard, but it's a whole different kind I don't know why that dropped my spirit, but yeah.

Grace Stone (20:31.95)
No, I feel you. It's like you're lying to yourself. And I've had that happen to me before, where I lied to myself so much that my body knew I was lying and my body would still react in opposition to what I'm saying. So, yeah, I do think it's like healthy to just acknowledge what your soul is saying, you know. But in verse five and six, I think this is a verse that...

Jethro Casie (20:34.183)
Mm-hmm.

Grace Stone (20:57.006)
I don't know about everybody else, but for me, I have to literally repeat it sometimes. Because like the first time it doesn't really stick, especially when I'm going through a lot. it's trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not onto your own understanding in all your ways acknowledge him and he will direct your paths. And...

Jethro Casie (20:59.047)
Yeah, man.

Grace Stone (21:16.578)
During the time where I was really honest with God, like God, I, know, low key don't like you right now. I'm gonna be honest. I don't, at least like I had a concept of who God, I had a concept of who God was and I followed him based on that concept. And so when he was a living up to my concept of who I thought he was, that's where the resentment came in.

Jethro Casie (21:26.065)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (21:33.061)
Mm.

Jethro Casie (21:39.441)
Amen.

Grace Stone (21:40.002)
Lord was just teaching me, you know this thing that you thought about me It's not who I am and I'm not gonna live up to your false expectation of me. It's so that that was me leaning on my own understanding and I feel like once I started to unlearn who I thought God was and learning who he was I was still honest I was just like dang I like this still doesn't feel good, you know, understanding the part of God that

will process you in that way. I mean, because if you think about like Joseph, know, Joseph, we don't hear too much about his, how he felt. We hear a lot about things like David was very expressive of his emotions, but not like someone like Joseph, who was pretty much in prison for like 13 years. At some point, I would wonder if he really was just like, yo, God, like, you really messed up for this. Like you're really messed up for this. Cause the dream that you showed me is the complete opposite of what I'm going through. So,

Jethro Casie (22:28.87)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (22:35.104)
Even in that sense, his understanding could have just been like the dreams that God gave him, life is going to literally turn out that way. And life literally went in the opposite direction.

Jethro Casie (22:42.918)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (22:45.696)
And so, preceding that is trusting Him with all your heart. So I feel like it goes back to the heart thing where it's just like, if you really look at life through the lens of those two things, which is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and to love His people as you love yourself, then I really feel like life kind of changes, even though it still may be difficult. The lens at which you're looking through it is, you know what? Even though I'm going through this, I believe that the Lord still loves me and I love Him.

Jethro Casie (23:02.759)
You're mad.

Jethro Casie (23:08.006)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (23:15.527)
Yeah, man.

Grace Stone (23:15.638)
And so, yeah, these verses when I'm going through it, I have to repeat it over and over and over again. And I have to always assume that I may be wrong about this situation and God is right. Like that's always the assumption.

Jethro Casie (23:31.559)
Yeah. And I think that especially like in the, since we're in like a prophetic ministry, like, um, this is like also like me growing in wisdom. I remember the first time I'd received the prophetic word that, uh, it's probably two, yeah, like two, maybe three years ago, like, I'm going to get a podcast studio. And it took three years for that word or two, three years for that word to come to pass. And it didn't come in the way that I thought it was going to come. Like, so I was always like, and I think that comes back from like a human perspective of like, we wanting to dictate how God.

does what he says he's going to do to us as well. And because for me, think like, it comes to like, have to make your soul believe that your soul is not always going to believe in like, trusting the Lord with all that heart. Like, what does that mean? Like, how can I lean on my own understanding when it's like, sometimes you don't feel like it's like I'm in a season where I'm like, feel like I haven't been hearing the Lord as clearly as before, like not clearly, but.

Maybe like he hasn't been speaking as much, which I don't know if this is the case. Maybe I've been less sensitive, whatever the case is. But it's like in that season, you still have to like trust in Lord with all your heart. Still like lean not on your own understanding. Yeah.

Grace Stone (24:38.232)
And I think too, even with the word understanding, because I remember we had a teaching about language and how...

Language is really a fruit of the fallen nature of man. And so I do, and even at the Torah Bible, the Lord had to separate them through language. And so I do feel like language can be misleading too, where even the word good, like when we say God is good, you know, we have our own understanding of what good means, but like when God actually does good and it doesn't agree with our understanding of good, then we're just like, that doesn't make sense. Why would God do that? Why would God allow my-

Jethro Casie (25:06.631)
That's deep.

Jethro Casie (25:14.172)
Yeah.

Grace Stone (25:16.29)
mother to pass away, would God allow my friend to, you know, get a tumor? I don't know. Yeah, whatever it is, right? And so now we base our, so it's still our understanding. So my understanding of the word good is what I'm leaning on. And God's saying, don't lean on that.

Jethro Casie (25:22.021)
Yeah, whatever.

Grace Stone (25:33.726)
even if it comes down to language, then question the language, then question me. Like it's to that point where it's like, I question if we even define the word good correctly in the context of what God is saying. It's to that point.

Jethro Casie (25:46.087)
Yeah, because the Lord says, I think it's in Proverbs where it's like, my ways are higher than your ways. My thoughts are higher than your thoughts. Like even even us trying to like understand, like, understand, like, what does God truly mean when he's good? I never thought about it like that because yeah, how good is God? Right. Like when you sing like the goodness of God, like, I don't think we have probably the full revelation. Well, I guess like Jesus. But even then, I was thinking, I was thinking this other day, like, do I truly understand?

Like when God says for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son like do I truly understand the sacrifice what like of what Jesus did like how important like not how important that was but the full revelation of like like God really had to come down to save us like I feel like I understand it but they could always like grow and understanding and all I don't know if that's similar to you but

Grace Stone (26:33.528)
So to your point, I actually thought about that recently.

just trying to get a deeper understanding of what it meant that God came down as a human being inside of a vessel of a human and walked upon his earth. And one of the things I realized, know, every so often Jesus would kind of like complain and say, you know, how much longer do I have to be with these people? Like he would kind of like let slip like somewhat of his frustration. And it made me wonder, like, I wonder if God like literally was just uncomfortable the entire time being in a world full of sin.

so that he was in discomfort the whole time. He was in pain the entire time.

Jethro Casie (27:07.793)
Yeah, because God doesn't like have the idea of what's it like he can't send. So it's like to be around that. Wow.

Grace Stone (27:14.925)
So it's just like, don't know, I highly doubt that we understand the depths of his sacrifice, you know? Yeah, God is good.

Jethro Casie (27:25.135)
all the time. Amen. There's so much more I wanted to go through. Let me just see if there's a few. So something that stood out to me, which is verse 18, and then we'll end it here because I won't take up too much time. It says that wisdom is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her and happy is everyone that retains her. I'm like, wisdom is a tree of life. So then I like chat GPT like where else is there the word tree of life like in the word and the

Grace Stone (27:28.62)
Yeah.

Jethro Casie (27:54.059)
revelation that came to me was that eternal life like the like in Genesis that is a tree of life wisdom is a tree of life and then a proverbs it gives the other four which is wisdom talks about the fruit of the righteous is a tree of life a fulfilled desire is a tree of life and a gentle tongue is a tree of life and i was like whoa and that obviously equals like the number five grace so it's like i was thinking like all these different trees of life is what gives us

Not like grace, not gives us grace, but like is a form of grace that we can receive. We have to have the understanding of each tree of life. So that was like probably the deepest revelation that I got. But what was one thing that if anything else that stood out to you before you and the episode.

Grace Stone (28:36.108)
One thing I'll say that kept coming out to me is that it's pretty much the fruit of abiding by the laws of God and using wisdom and everything is that your days will be lengthened. And I think in one point it said something about also wealth. Let me see if I could find it real quick.

Jethro Casie (29:00.327)
And also for me, like from 13 all the way to 35, it talks about like everything that the Lord did by wisdom. like when we tap into, into like the spirit of wisdom, we're also tapping into like what it says in verse, like 19, the Lord by wisdom had founded the earth. So it's like when we like have a relationship also with the spirit of wisdom, we can even see. And I just, believe like Moses was able to like write Genesis cause he had the wisdom of God and saw what God saw.

and all that through wisdom. And like how ancient wisdom is too, because it's been there since the creation of the, yeah, exactly.

Grace Stone (29:33.241)
Yeah, I was in verse 14 also it says the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver and the gain thereof than fine gold and pretty much talking about the pretty much the productivity of wisdom should produce something that's even more beautiful than things that we call to be of high value and it produces like I said long life and wealth and things that

The way that we judge a person to have status or wealth is by, I think it's a product of time as well, how much time you have, because essentially money buys you time. So if you just apply wisdom, it will unlock so many things that what we can do in our natural self won't unlock, right? Which is like more time, more wealth, more like long life and all that stuff. And so it made me want to dive deeper into looking to God for wisdom as opposed to looking to like man for

Jethro Casie (30:03.493)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Jethro Casie (30:18.532)
Amen.

Grace Stone (30:25.952)
ways to get wealthy. Because you know, like the, what is it, retirement, like retire early. that whole thing, like not that it's a fad, because people really are buying into it. But I feel like that still is backed by just the wisdom of man as opposed to going to God and having him cut your time, right, restore your time. So everything I feel like is sourced back to God. Like all these things that we desire comes from the wisdom of the Lord.

Jethro Casie (30:34.215)
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah.

Jethro Casie (30:54.297)
Amen. Awesome. If you could end this out in a prayer of, yeah, however the spirit leads you.

Grace Stone (31:01.624)
Yeah, I want to end it out in declarations. And so to anyone who's listening, I declare that you are loved. I declare that you are remembered.

I declare that the Lord will bring you up from where you are to an ascension higher than you can ever think or imagine. I declare that you are beautiful. I declare that you are fearfully and wonderfully made. I declare that the word of the Lord is written in your heart. I declare that the enemy cannot snatch out what the Lord has placed in your heart. I declare that your soul will remember the time that you spent with him in the garden. I declare that your soul will remember who you are and that you will walk in in fruition.

clear that the Lord will truly remember you from this day forward in Jesus name.

Jethro Casie (31:53.539)
Amen, amen. Grace, everybody.