How Arrival Built A Band From Scratch

We hang with Arrival and tell the real story of how the band forms, falls apart, and then clicks into place through one ridiculous twist of timing. We relive the songs, the gigs, the DIY recording grind, and what it feels like to see our old demos finally land on Spotify around the world. 
• meeting the original Arrival lineup and the “pool of Arrivals” name problem 
• Johnny’s early drum journey and how bands start from chaos 
• dumping the wrong guitarist and writing “You Saved” as the first real statement 
• the reel to reel tape that becomes our “perfect singer” benchmark 
• Warren walking in and turning out to be the voice on the tape 
• tracking demos the hard way with four-track, DAT bouncing, and manual mixing 
• band highlights from venues, videos, and opening slots 
• how Laz Novak joins and reshapes the sound without losing melody 
• favorite Arrival songs, including “Killing Us”, “Tough Love”, “Room Of Tears”, “Bleed”, and “Prisoners” 
• the album release through FNA Records and the surprise of global streaming listeners 
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Transcript

Meet Arrival And The Lineup

SPEAKER_07 1:03

What's up everybody? I am Johnny Rizzo and tonight I got a little bit of a different show for you than Motorcycle Mayhem Radio. Which is funny because it's probably like the same crown of the show anyway. Anyway, I'm with my band here, Arrival. And Steve, hello. Hello. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_09 1:21

Good. How are you?

SPEAKER_07 1:22

Alright, we got Craig and Warren over there. What's up? So we got the singing, we got the keyboards, and we got the bass and the drums here. So we are arrival. We still arrival. I can't speak. We are arrival. We are arrival. We are the original arrival. Did we lose the name? I don't know what happened with the name. Because there's a lot of arrival bands out there.

SPEAKER_09 1:43

Oh my god. Right? There was a lot before us and there was a lot after us. So we're just in a in a pool of arrivals. A pool of arrivals. I like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:52

A lot of arrivals out there, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:54

You know, we're the best, so that's all it does.

SPEAKER_06 1:57

Rival arrivals.

SPEAKER_07 1:59

Exactly. Arrival rivals. So, you know, we're all gonna tell our stories. Laz is not with us tonight. He's out in California. He had a guitar player in the band. And, you know, did we get lucky when we landed Lazdale? I mean, holy shit, man.

SPEAKER_09 2:11

We got we just got lucky over and over again.

SPEAKER_07 2:13

We did. Yeah, we did. And now it's funny because when I was kind of out of playing the drums when I first, before I even met you guys, and you know, I always told my mom I blame my father because I always did so bad in school that he would take my drums away. That was my punishment. So one time I had really bad at school, right? He took me, he took my drums away for a year and a half, and I kind of forgot about it. Like I kind of lost my craziness of playing, my no fear of playing. And then when I got back into it, I was like more like, you know, I'm gonna should I unsure of some things where I never used to be that way. I used to be just let it go.

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Right.

Drums Detours And Early Bands

SPEAKER_07 2:50

So when I met my ex-wife Christine, her neighbors had a band, and they uh wanted me, they asked me if I'd play drums in the band, you know, you play drums. So all I had was my brother's wedding, which is on a big VCR tape. Put it in, and I I showed him that tape of me playing drums. They're like, you're in. And this band, I mean, I I didn't know what would you call the band? It was just, we had a guitar player that was kind of fruity, right? This guy, this guy was like, he was actually no. I met him and brought him in, the guitarist. And after the first uh rehearsal that we did, the guitar player came to me and said, We're gonna get out of here. Okay, we're gonna start our own band. Forget these guys. I got a singer that's gonna rock your world. Oh, yeah? All right. He was naffed. I'm like, this guy's good. This guy's horrible. You remember him for a minute. I was like, his name was Warner.

SPEAKER_09 3:45

What was his name? Oh, you remember, right?

SPEAKER_07 3:49

Yeah. I can't remember his name, but he was he he was in here.

SPEAKER_09 3:53

I still have a couple of songs with him singing on it.

SPEAKER_07 3:55

Yeah, so do I. I actually have a CD. Well, those songs are pretty good that we had. I I mean, I love to get those songs, you know. I've been moving around, so I gotta get my act together here with my stuff. But um, you know, so when we got this band together, then I I think we put an ad out for a bass player.

SPEAKER_09 4:17

That's that's how I and then you showed up, right? Yep.

SPEAKER_07 4:20

And I think right off the bat, you didn't get along with the guitar player too.

SPEAKER_09 4:24

Well, it wasn't that I didn't get along with him. He was hard to get along with. He he was he was a dick. Well, you know, I try to give everybody the benefit of the bat, the doubts. But he was sure of what he wanted to do, right? And it wasn't what we wanted to do. Right, right, right. That's the way I look at it. What style was he in? So, but we basically in that formula of you know, hair metal kind of formula, kind of everything was dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. Yeah, dun. He was looking at the top plate, I will say that. It wasn't bad. But remember that night? But it wasn't what you thought. It needed something more, right? And that's what Johnny and I would, you know, like that's we said, hey, all right, this is you know, and then yeah, we'd have something going here, but but we need something more.

SPEAKER_07 5:02

Right. We were at the right track in is when I met Craig. Because we went to the right track in to see a band, and Craig, I think Craig's band was playing. And then you introduced Craig to me. That at the right track in in Baldwin.

SPEAKER_06 5:14

Well, it might have been Freeport. I might be singing in with a band that was uh just brought me on for that one night or something like that. Because I don't think I was in a permanent band at that time.

SPEAKER_09 5:22

No, I don't think you were either.

SPEAKER_06 5:24

But you might be right about when we met.

SPEAKER_09 5:26

Well, yeah, that's where we met, but that's not why he was in the band. No, we met that well, you introduced me to him that night. He was Craig and I were in a cover band with my wife, Christine. Right. And um, and that's you know, and then I started playing with you. Right. And I was like, hmm, like you said, we we we felt like we needed some more. And it was like, hey, I know this keyboard player that's really good.

Booting The Guitarist And Writing You Saved

SPEAKER_07 5:50

But but I think that Corey wasn't about that. And then we that's when we we actually invited another guitar player down to play with Corey, and he gave us the bullshit, oh, I love my guitar home. Who goes to rehearsal and leaders their fucking guitar home? Who does that? Yeah, he just didn't want to play. He didn't want to play, he was jealous, right? Absolutely. So then we kind of like booted him, and it was in me, you, and Craig. And we actually wrote You Saved, like right off the bat.

SPEAKER_09 6:13

That's right.

SPEAKER_07 6:14

That song came out and was like, holy shit.

SPEAKER_09 6:17

Well, that was, you know, I I wrote that song when I was 12.

SPEAKER_07 6:20

Did you really? I never do that.

SPEAKER_09 6:22

Okay. You you you wrote the lyrics.

SPEAKER_08 6:24

No, I did not. Yes, you didn't. No. Oh, wait. I was thinking of um I thought he wrote the lyrics. You did not?

SPEAKER_06 6:30

No, we didn't have lyrics. Um, I think I think you're talking about You Saved, is that what you're like you do, is what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_09 6:36

Oh, yeah. That's a great song by the way. Lyrically. We're lyrically. But I wrote the I actually wrote that song when I was like 12.

SPEAKER_08 6:43

No kidding.

SPEAKER_09 6:44

And I gave it to him. Yeah. I was like, I got this song.

SPEAKER_08 6:47

All I had was a few pieces as usual.

SPEAKER_09 6:48

It's one of my favorite songs. And Craig went loved that song and took it into making it into a whole song. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 6:54

Well, that was that was before we had Laz, of course. Yes. So uh those were there's a few songs on that CD that um are just experimental that we didn't really have.

SPEAKER_07 7:04

Right. But the the fun the funny part about the whole thing is so we started writing You Saved, and then we decided Corey's done.

SPEAKER_06 7:12

I think Corey didn't like you saved, he didn't like the direction of you saved.

SPEAKER_07 7:15

Because it was too melodic. Remember? Yeah. You sound like Mickey Mouse! Yeah, yeah, he was a big baby. Anyway, so we wrote that song and two other songs, I believe. And we recorded them. Yeah, but then I got married. I went on my honeymoon, and I remember you called me up. I called you, I was sneaking my phone calls from St. Tom. My wife is always like, Did you find anybody? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What are you doing? You right there, honey? Yeah, yeah. I'm off for the walk! Right? And I remember you playing me him over the phone. I'm like, holy shit. Right?

SPEAKER_09 7:51

And that was that tape. We gotta talk about the tape. That was the tape. How'd you get it too?

SPEAKER_07 7:55

Yeah, we had Eric. No, Eric was after him. No, no, before him. We had Eric. Oh, Eric was before before Warren.

SPEAKER_08 8:02

Right.

SPEAKER_07 8:03

E-Hole.

SPEAKER_08 8:03

E-Hole. Wait a minute. E. O'Hamill? No.

SPEAKER_09 8:08

His name was Eric Goodman. Oh, right. He was he said man. So he called himself Eric Mann. Yeah. And he dubbed him E-Hole.

SPEAKER_08 8:19

In true Johnny fashion. Yes.

SPEAKER_06 8:21

Oh, we had Warren. Remember, we were in a studio, um, the same one that Corey was in. And uh we had Eric, I think, at the time, and the guy tried out for vocals. And remember he made he made us do vocal exercises? Yes. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

I was like, oh gosh.

SPEAKER_09 8:35

Yes. No, in within the first 30 seconds, right? First 30 seconds, you know. No. This is not gonna work. But you still gotta like play the game, man. We were trying to hold back from laughing. It was yeah, it was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_07 8:51

No, that actually is funny.

SPEAKER_06 8:52

It was very funny, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:54

Steve, tell us how it all went down. All right, so with Warren and how you met Warren and the tape.

SPEAKER_09 8:59

That's just really an awesome story. Right. So now, so so so the three of us are together and with e-hole, and we know e-hole's not gonna make it for us, but you know, whatever. We used him for the for a couple of songs just to get a guitar apart. One song, actually, right? Just a piece.

SPEAKER_06 9:14

Uh he did you save.

SPEAKER_09 9:15

He did you save, and then Craig decided, you know, I could do, I could play probably just as good as this guy, so let's let's just let's get rid of him. No doubt. So now we don't have him. Now we need a singer, of course. We now we need a guitar player. We started to audition some guitar players.

SPEAKER_06 9:32

Right. In the meantime, we try to do our own stuff. But that I think Warren was with us, so I don't want to jump ahead.

SPEAKER_09 9:36

Yeah, right. Go ahead. So, so no Warren wasn't with us yet. Yeah, no, we're still.

SPEAKER_07 9:40

I didn't meet Warren after I got back from St. Thomas.

SPEAKER_09 9:43

Right. It was just the three of us, and we were looking for a singer, and Craig had a tape of some guy singing that um he had was friends with the the bass player, I believe, right?

SPEAKER_06 9:55

Yeah, there was my friend Nick uh who played bass. I was in the car program of him, and he said, Can you come down and help me mix this tape um at the studio in in uh Queens? And uh I said, sure. I went there just to sit in and give my feedback. And of course, I hear this voice, and he's a real to real machine and everything. So real. What I believe. What I believe was a song. And I couldn't I couldn't believe that.

SPEAKER_07 10:20

That's a great song, by the way. So you gotta send me that song.

SPEAKER_06 10:23

So yeah, I asked for a copy of it, and I remember playing it for Steve, saying this is the kind of thing I wish.

SPEAKER_09 10:29

Right, and and I was like, Oh, you know, like like this this was completed the vision for us because you know, I think Craig and I we had in our head what we wanna were striving for, but I thought I thought it was gonna be impossible because you know it's just hard to find somebody a singer like that that fits in that has the that what you wanted and the whole thing. And um so we had this tape of this guy singing, and you know, we didn't know who it was because Greg didn't meet him. He just was uh mixing it. And that's even his wrong. There you go.

SPEAKER_07 11:06

Oh no, play it, play it, put up there, put up there. That's all he's got Melody's boy.

SPEAKER_06 11:15

What a song that was. So that was 1988. That was 1988.

SPEAKER_09 11:19

That it was recorded. So this was 1990 now, right?

SPEAKER_06 11:23

So well when you and I were when you and I were we were 92 when we were talking about uh we we heard Warren's voice in the rehearsal studio.

SPEAKER_09 11:31

Was it 92?

SPEAKER_06 11:32

Yeah, we we um it was 88 when I went to mix the tape with Nick, and then 92 was when we were forming uh really the the nucleus of arrival with uh and we played with Warren. 91 was a little too early, but we were still nearly live.

SPEAKER_09 11:47

Okay. So we listened to this tape, we loved it. Wow, this is great. We were gonna use that as our benchmark. Okay, this is we gotta find a guy that sounds like this. Right. So we put an ad out, the island ear, you know, all the local on the Long Island back in the day. And you know, we got a few calls, we we auditioned a few people, and then this guy, Warren, you know, calls, you know, whatever. And so I'm probably jaded at this point. Okay, Warren, here you go. Alright, come down to this studio, this day, we're gonna let's do it. And so we were there, whatever. Warren shows up, and we I think we gave him like you do, right? Uh well, no, you saved. You saved, I'm sorry. So you say, okay, so here's a song that we wrote. Craig had wrote the lyrics already, and Warren usually likes to write his own lyrics, but you know, coming in the first time, whatever you just did it, okay. Alright, cool, okay. So he starts singing, and Craig and I are looking at each other like, wait a minute here. Voice sounds awfully familiar. Turns out, sure enough, Warren was the singer on that tape from those years ago that we were using as a benchmark to try to find a singer. He walks in the door, and the rest is history.

SPEAKER_06 13:03

Not only that, but but we were also, I felt kind of selfish that night because Warren, we finally we were asking about influences. You had the same taste as Steve and I. And I would start playing. The carpenters, uh, all these old songs while I'm singing them all night.

SPEAKER_09 13:16

So I felt like Yeah, it was like ding, it was like just click, we're done. Okay, that's he's the guy. I felt the same way. Wow. That's how we got Warren in. And then found the guitarist.

SPEAKER_07 13:28

Now how did now how did we meet Laz?

SPEAKER_09 13:30

I'm trying to figure out a funny story too. I got another funny story.

SPEAKER_06 13:34

You have another Warren story though, too. Because you heard Warren in a club, I think, right?

SPEAKER_09 13:37

Oh, that's right, yes. You did? So there was a that's right, true. So even years before that, I don't know what time what year was that that you were in curve. Oh, uh shit. 86? 86 through 90, yeah. Okay, so somewhere in the the mid-80s, I went to a club. Wow. It was feathers. Feathers? Was it a um it was a machine disco, right? And then and then then normal nights, it was just a normal bar. It was uh it was in East Meadow, it was in one of those buildings. Over like Buddhals over there, you know, like it was over there. I said, Oh whatever. I called crime and memory, you know, white. Oh, cheap drinks or whatever there. So I went to I went checking out. There's a band playing. Oh, cool, there's a band playing tonight. So I'm looking, I'm listening, because I was in a band too. I've been in a band since I was like, you know, 12.

SPEAKER_07 14:26

Right.

SPEAKER_09 14:27

I'm like, wow, this guy's good. And I was with the keyboard player in my band at the time, not Craig. And this band was playing called Curve, and I was like, wow, these guys are great. This is really cool. So they had a little mailing list, sign-ups.

SPEAKER_08 14:40

Which I still have.

SPEAKER_09 14:40

Which he still has. I signed it, and my what was my critique? I wish it was a little heavier. Sing is good, guitar player. Wish it was a little heavier. Yeah, sing's great, wish your music was a little heavier. That's exactly what he wrote. So that was so that's two times that we actually like abundant each other in the past. Right. And um, so that's kooky.

SPEAKER_07 15:00

That is that is kooky. It was funny.

SPEAKER_09 15:03

Yeah, it was fate.

SPEAKER_07 15:05

Definitely fate. I mean, yeah, look, and we're still together today.

SPEAKER_09 15:08

Like, that's you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_07 15:10

That's an amazing thing. The band is still something going on with it. Like, you know, when you made us the CD, Craig, that was an amazing thing that you did. Thank you so much for doing that.

SPEAKER_09 15:19

Absolutely. But great surprise.

SPEAKER_07 15:21

Then we started getting these sales like all over the world. Like, you know, in Germany and Japan. Like, what the hell's going on here? Yeah. And then we get people inviting you about they want to use their music for their website, and right?

SPEAKER_06 15:33

Yeah, there's a whole bunch of strange uh um occurrences where this this little bunch of demo tapes, which we'll talk about, uh you know, had a life of its own. Right. And uh, I mean, I think where we left off just now was uh we had Warren on board now that we just didn't have a guitarist. So I was I'm not a guitarist, but so I was we were making demos because we were still writing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

Right.

SPEAKER_06 15:55

And um, you know, maybe you came over and we recorded uh Where We Be or the Oad mics on. Yeah, we forgot to forgot to put the overhead mics on. But uh, you know, and I was faking my way through the parts, but we knew we needed a real guitar player.

SPEAKER_09 16:08

Right.

SPEAKER_06 16:08

Yeah, but your faking is probably better than 90% of most people that consider themselves guitarists, so I I you know that was that was in a studio, okay, but um, you know, we needed somebody real, you know.

SPEAKER_07 16:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Yeah.

Playing You Saved And First Reactions

SPEAKER_07 16:22

We did now, you know, for anybody out there that's listening, we're talking about you saved with our first song that we really wrote together. So check out the song. We'll be right back right after this. All right, we are back. That was awesome too, man. That was I you know what? For for my father to come to me and say, What is that song I heard you you're playing? Is that your band? I'm like, yeah. He's like, that's your band. My father, my father always remembered me being in these shitty bands. You know, I was in a band called Conspiracy a long time ago. And we were like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, just playing it fast as hard as you could, you know. And my uh, my parents just flicking the lights. Enough, you're done. But he heard this, and he's like, that's good. That is good. You saved.

SPEAKER_08 20:20

It was you saved, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:21

Yeah, that's still two of my my mother's favorite songs of today. But that was uh amazing, you know what I mean? To have my my father say that because he never liked what I did. I used to work in uh uh The Whiz.

SPEAKER_06 20:34

And I would sneak our tapes and I would stick them in there, you know, yeah to the sound system and see how they they they sounded over the speakers and watch people's reaction if any anybody's nobody really cared, but it was fun though.

SPEAKER_09 20:47

I used to do that when I worked at Genevieve's disband, but I used to do the same thing, a puppy demo in the thing, put it on the overhead.

SPEAKER_07 20:54

That can go good and bad, man. You can get like a reaction like what is this? Yeah, what the fuck is this shit? You know that you know it goes both ways, you know. But you know, lately, I mean, the the the the album's out now, and uh everyone loves it, that seems to me.

SPEAKER_09 21:09

Everybody seems to love it. Yeah, I mean, what do we got on Spotify? We got uh it's only been up for what, I don't know, a week and a half, two weeks, and we're like over 7,500. 7500 just on Spotify, too. We're on like I don't know, 75 different platforms right now, yeah. Including Apple Music, um Amazon Music, you know, all the big ones. Um yeah, it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_07 21:31

That's cool. You know, for me, because you guys stayed in the music. Like you were with your Gunden Roses band, you played with the Van Halen band, you played, you had your bands. I was kind of out of it. Like after arrival, I was done. I was like, my hands were killing me, you know what I mean? I just I was just done playing. So for me, to be at a party, and we hung out a lot of places like Evenflow, remember Evenflow? Yeah, and all those bars, and all our friends were in bands. Yeah, no one even knew that I was a drummer, like they never knew me as a drummer, nobody. But it'd be cool being at a party after 2013 and be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Spotify, Alexa, play a room of tears. Yeah, that's my band. What get the fuck out of here? What is this shit? And then people didn't know. Yeah. And still to today they don't know. You know, you say we have an album out, they're like, an album?

SPEAKER_09 22:17

Yeah, what are you talking about? Yeah. So you'd be like, watch your band on. Really? I'm in the band. Hey, we're in the band. You know what I mean? That's the glory of it, right?

SPEAKER_06 22:28

I mean that's the foot, the greatest part. And the funny part is about uh, you know, I don't think at the time we we thought it would ever be.

SPEAKER_09 24:04

And he came up to the stage and put a note on it.

SPEAKER_07 24:06

Yeah, no, no. We did it in the video.

SPEAKER_09 24:08

You picked it up. And you showed it to me. Wow, you really you guys are see me after this. You guys are really good. See me after this. So that was to me like I know the sound system up to us. And then he gave us the full boat.

SPEAKER_06 24:23

Yeah. He walked up and he heard us and he liked us and went back and put us in headliner level. You called us. I can't think of mine.

SPEAKER_08 24:58

The big city gig was my favorite. But my my favorite overall thing with arrival. You're gonna be like, yeah, of course. Magical. It was just beautiful. Somebody would come down with something. I'd wanna be the base of the keyboard part of the guitar part. It was just like hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_07 25:28

You guys are fucking amazing with this shit. I was just drawing it. I sit back on my head like a fucking strong. Oh my god, it's an amazing storm. The writing just came so easy. Yeah, it was really good. It was just the lyrics, you got awesome lyrics too, man. It's just incredible. But my highlights, I got two of them, all right? The video that we made in DJ.

SPEAKER_08 25:47

In the city. Oh my god. We were like stars that day.

SPEAKER_07 25:51

They treated us like stars that day. No, uh the funny thing about that is when I worked for my father back then, that was it was tough to get off, right? I so I took off two days. Get off two days in a row, I wasn't having a show. What I did was I brought two shirts to the video shot. If you watched the video of us, you notice I'm wearing one shirt, and then another thing I'm wearing another one, and I told my father how to do it in two days. That was one. And my other highlight, believe it or not, which means more to me now, because I did a show with Lou Graham. And when we used to do um, it feels like the first time, and then Warren used to turn around and go, hey Jaddy! Why'd you open up? That was fucking awesome. I used to love that. That was cool. So I want to have we're gonna have Lou on the show again, on my motorcycle show. I'm gonna have him do that for me. Hey Jared! I'm gonna have you in as a guest. Juan will be here as a guest because Jess is idol there. So that'd be awesome. But that that was definitely a highlight for me. And I would clean any mountain. There you go, man.

SPEAKER_09 26:52

I think I still have a recording of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got him somewhere too. I gotta want, I gotta find him.

SPEAKER_07 26:59

Yeah, I gotta find them too. Warp speed? Oh my god. Warp speed. My my speed, my my climate. Any way you want it, catch anyway. Anyway you want it.

SPEAKER_08 27:12

It was a little fast. She loves to laugh. She loves to sing, she does everything.

SPEAKER_06 27:22

Oh yeah. I remember. Yeah, Richie Blackwell. He lives in something.

SPEAKER_09 27:36

We played the rainbow.

SPEAKER_06 27:42

We played the rainbow.

SPEAKER_08 27:44

The only song I could think of would be with uh Joel and Turner.

SPEAKER_06 27:47

Yeah, we did treat the dreams.

SPEAKER_08 27:49

Did we do it? No, no, we did not. No, we did, we did uh Mr.

SPEAKER_09 27:53

Big Mr. Big Cream Tinted 69.

SPEAKER_08 27:56

Yeah, that was also problems with.

SPEAKER_07 28:02

I remember that. It was like winter night in February. And he was sick. And we had like a hundred people there. It was a big show, man. It was a big show.

SPEAKER_09 28:14

We didn't want to cancel. I was like, oh man, we don't want to cancel it.

SPEAKER_06 28:17

We had one show canceled already. The very first gig we supposed to have that.

SPEAKER_09 28:26

And then the second one we got you were saying. I was like Peter Brady.

SPEAKER_08 28:29

I was like 60s.

SPEAKER_07 28:35

When it's time to change. We played in some cool places. If you think about the band that we played, we played Lemoise in Brooklyn. We played nobodies. That was a big show. Sparks was big. Right? I mean February's was a great practice place for us. That was perfect.

SPEAKER_06 28:57

February's was uh oh that's right, February's and Hammerheads were the same.

SPEAKER_09 29:03

He changed the name.

SPEAKER_06 29:05

Do you remember Johnny? I think he rescued us because we got locked in under the room.

SPEAKER_07 29:08

And I ripped the fucking doors off the metric.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

One of three rooms down the base.

SPEAKER_07 29:15

Now my my biggest thing back then playing, I I don't like to be locked in like claustrophobic. You know what I mean? And it always bothered me. I always try to keep those doors open, right? Yeah. One night me and Steve, or was it you and me and us?

SPEAKER_09 29:28

I think it was you and I got open. There were three rooms down there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 29:35

Full of rats and crack track watches. Yeah. Right? And the guy went and we and I heard like he locked the gate. I fucking went up there. I I ripped the fucking doors right off the fucking cement, remember?

SPEAKER_06 29:52

I don't know. We were laughing at first, but then we had this feeling like.

SPEAKER_07 29:55

But fucked. No, the greatest thing done is me and you, Steve. He left the smoke machine. I'm drinking, be doing pot or whatever.

SPEAKER_09 30:04

Oh my god. And we didn't know. You couldn't even see yourself in it. That was so much easier.

SPEAKER_07 30:10

Cranking fucking dudes. Because we had the loudest stairs system in the world with that PA.

SPEAKER_09 30:15

That's right, we had to crank through that.

SPEAKER_07 30:16

Right?

SPEAKER_09 30:19

Well, you remember this. Which I still have, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 30:23

Um you remember we were down below and there was a band playing up the top stairs, and you guys were messing with the wireless frequency.

Practice Space Chaos And Killing Us

SPEAKER_07 30:32

Yeah, just trying to see if I can hear my face up and that sounds like a That was great, man. That was a good time, man. Definitely good times. But we're gonna come back. What song should I play for everybody right now?

SPEAKER_09 30:46

Killing us. Killing us, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_07 30:51

It was our song. Yeah, killing us was a great song, man.

SPEAKER_06 30:55

That was a Asia trick.

SPEAKER_07 30:57

The only that's the only song I did backups in.

SPEAKER_06 31:01

That's right.

SPEAKER_07 31:03

If I didn't do backups, I was doing Let's Watch Love Die. What a line that me and you do together. Um everything will be alright and I'll be there for you.

SPEAKER_08 31:16

I'll hold your hand all through the night.

SPEAKER_07 31:20

I can't sing for shit because my voice sucks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 31:25

That was Johnny. That was Johnny.

SPEAKER_07 31:27

Alright, so we'll play killing you. Killing us the side and cold and live. We'll be right back right after this.

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SPEAKER_07 47:24

Alright, we are back. I was gonna say we are back on Modus Like a Mayor Radio, but we're not doing Motors Like a Mayor Radio. Anyway, so I'm hanging out with the band. We're having a great time, man. A lot of great stories, man. But we have to get back to Laz. How do we get involved with like how do we get Laz in the band, Steve?

SPEAKER_09 47:38

Alright, so uh so I'll tell you the funny story, how I met him first before he was in the band, and it had no influence on why he was in arrival, but a couple of years before arrival, I don't know how many years, Laz put an ad out looking for a singer for a band.

SPEAKER_07 47:55

Right.

SPEAKER_09 47:56

And you know, me, I'm eclectic, so I was at that time, let's see. I think I was still playing drums at that time. Right. I played drums for like 10 years before. So I think I was playing drums, and um, I wanted to do something different. So I was like, oh, you know what? I can sing, you know, let me see if there's a band out there that I can sing.

SPEAKER_07 48:14

Right, right.

SPEAKER_09 48:14

So I, you know, looking at these ads. So there's one right notion side where I grew up, and like, ah, cool, you know, I'll go down there. Who is it? It was Laz and his friend and a drummer.

SPEAKER_08 48:25

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_09 48:26

Now I didn't know, you know, I didn't know about him, didn't know anything about him, nothing. I went down, listened to play, they played some of the songs. I was like, cool, okay, uh, you know, whatever, let me work on it, think about something. I think the band their band broke up. Last night completely lost touch, and and that was it. Never heard from him again, didn't know what happened.

SPEAKER_08 48:46

I I have to ask before you continue. Yeah, what songs did you do with that band?

SPEAKER_09 48:50

Uh none. None? Nope. I just went down, listened, they were original, all original. Okay. So I just listened to them play and you know. I don't know what they I think they they were probably looking for someone screamy, which, you know, because they were a little more heavier than what I was going to do. So I probably wouldn't it wouldn't have worked out for me anyway. But we never got to that point. Well, but but that was it. So never heard from them again or anything.

SPEAKER_07 49:16

Wow, that's funny, man. Now rivals looking for gonna come. Yeah, we we went through a couple. E-Hole.

SPEAKER_09 49:22

E-Hole, right? Didn't last, he got E-holed out.

SPEAKER_06 49:26

Well, I always remember, uh, not that I won't cut you off, Steve. No, good. I remember I always pictured the uh uh that flux period, but we didn't have last. I always associate your holiday party with that. Remember, we were all there at the holiday party 92 fall. My holiday party. So I remember uh you were there. Yes, oh yeah, I have I have that picture. I have pictures too, yeah. So that's the wizard at the end. The wizard was.

SPEAKER_07 49:53

And of course he was the Bee Gees.

SPEAKER_06 49:54

I think we had uh, yeah, I think we had um two or three songs numbered out last and then it picked up after that. So go ahead.

SPEAKER_09 50:02

Right, yeah, we had the three, three songs, right? In the can. Where will you be? Where will you be and like you do and use it? So that was the you know, so we had these three songs, you know, as a starting point for our direction, and now we need a guitar player. How many do we have that came before last? There was a few. We had a couple, quite a few, and nobody, you know, we just didn't feel the vibe. No, nobody kind of came out.

SPEAKER_07 50:29

You know, though, uh being in a band, we're well, guys, it's a lot like riding a motorcycle. When you get on a motorcycle and you feel it, this is my motorcycle. When you're playing in a band, it's the same thing. You gotta feel it, you gotta work together. We always had that. We had that connection. You know what I mean? We did, yeah. Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_09 50:48

Yeah, yeah, but then find the right people.

SPEAKER_07 50:51

Right, because you're like, I feel like I started with my ex-wife with that band and went to this, what this guy brought this guy in, then me and him went, then we got you, then me and you went, then we got Craig, then we got rid of him. You know, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 51:03

It was a process.

SPEAKER_07 51:04

It was a process to, you know, to get where we are now. But again, how did we get Laz? So part three. Simple, right?

SPEAKER_09 51:12

I mean, Laz just answered the head that we had out. We were we were at that point probably like, okay, another guy counting down, whatever. Yeah. And Laz showed up, great look, hair, you know, skinny rockin' looking dude. And I didn't re I didn't recognize him. I we didn't I think he realized who I was before I realized who he was, right? It was later. And um, I you know, he just started playing that to me. It was just like you could tell that he was a virtuoso. I mean, there's no no doubt in my mind. And then, and you know, and I thought at first, is that is this too could be too much for us? Because I thought that you know, would he fit in? Because I didn't think we were not a shredder band, we you know, we were more of a melodic, right back would Laz fit in? And and and he did. I think it was a perfect storm, right?

SPEAKER_08 52:04

He reshaped us too.

SPEAKER_09 52:05

He totally reshaped us that the influences of you like all right, we have similar influences, but we also have different influences. Right, right. You know, you like a little lighter stuff, I like a little heavier stuff, you like a little heavier stuff, right? Laz liked what he liked. That combination of all of our talents and and and likes.

SPEAKER_07 52:22

Then you threw your magic on top of everything.

SPEAKER_09 52:24

Yeah, it's just it just there it was. I mean, it was like wow, this is this is you know, exactly in my head what I wanted this to be. It wasn't too heavy, it wasn't too light, it was somewhere in the middle. We had light songs, we had heavier songs, incredible guitar leads, incredible keyboard parts, incredible vocals. You know, me and you were in section, so we were I wasn't proud of my candidate. I picked a different thing.

SPEAKER_08 52:52

You guys are incredible, man.

SPEAKER_09 52:53

We kept it moving and you know, kept people, you know. Monsterface.

SPEAKER_06 52:58

Monsterface, that's all they wanted for me. Picking stuff up. In other words, you could throw something at something at him, and it didn't take him long to figure it out, and then something of his own into it.

SPEAKER_09 53:06

You too. And you too, by the by the time we were by the time we were done with the chord structures, he already had half the lyrics for you.

SPEAKER_07 53:13

But I I will say what the three of you have in comment, in common, you all said to me, slow the fuck down. I was like, oh, speed up. When we used to play, I'd always be like so nervous, man.

SPEAKER_08 53:27

I'd look I'd look at Craig and I'd see Craig go and then I'd be like, because it was like singing it was was you know like again, like anytime you anytime, any way you want it was like all of a sudden she loves a laugh, she loves to sing, everything.

SPEAKER_09 53:47

Yeah, loses the rhythm when you go too fast. No, it was fun, it was fun. You know, especially you're the youngest member, right? So you're a young man. No, Glas was. That's right, Laz is even younger than you.

SPEAKER_07 53:57

Yeah, Laz was young, he's a young guy.

SPEAKER_08 53:59

Laz is still younger than you, right? I think so. Yeah, I don't think he caught up for baby. He's a baby.

SPEAKER_06 54:04

Laz, you never play the same thing twice. He never, he's very unpredictable.

SPEAKER_09 54:07

Right. He did do something once he locks it in. Yeah, yeah. He memorized, which always amazed me too.

SPEAKER_07 54:13

He did do something on one song that we did.

SPEAKER_09 54:15

Wait a minute. How did he do that same song?

SPEAKER_06 54:18

How does he play that over and over again? You know, he was he um he liked to switch it up. And um, you know, but he always he was never short on ideas either. Yeah, no. I'm not uh he still isn't, by the way. Yeah, you gotta keep up.

SPEAKER_07 54:33

He did a something on one of the songs, and I tried to explain it to them like, dude, you did this. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I it was so frustrating because it was a perfect fit for that song, and I have it somewhere on tape somewhere. Oh my. But I I gotta go to all my team, I got shit everywhere, man. So I gotta figure that out. But that, yeah, Laz is definitely people ask me who your favorite guitar player is. I go, Laz, Laz Novak. Yeah, I think to me, he's like one of the best guitar players ever heard.

SPEAKER_09 55:00

His solo stuff, too, is really incredible. Incredible, and he writes it all himself, he plays everything himself. Yeah, it's really um yeah, impressive.

SPEAKER_07 55:09

You know, if you listen to my my radio show, Most Like a Man, he does a lot of my bumpers, is less. They're going in and out of segments, yeah. Uh and then the show is less. You know what I mean? So he's just incredible, man. Incredible. So, you know, years go by, and here we are.

unknown 55:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 55:26

Right? That's true. We all got we got married, me and you got married. We have kids, you're married, you have kids.

SPEAKER_06 55:32

Craig, you're single and living it.

SPEAKER_07 55:35

Well, well you single and living it.

SPEAKER_08 55:36

You and I, we got married, then we got married. We got married. One for me. One for me. One in Duncan.

SPEAKER_07 55:44

I love Christina, she's awesome. Yeah, she's a sweetheart, but yeah.

SPEAKER_09 55:48

But um that's true, yeah. And the big city video, she was pregnant with my daughter. So my daughter's even in the video. That's awesome, huh?

SPEAKER_06 55:57

Let's talk about that, gig, but that was a fun day.

SPEAKER_09 55:59

That was a fun day.

SPEAKER_06 56:01

That was June of uh 93, if not mistaken.

SPEAKER_09 56:04

June 23rd. Outside, who did we open up for? Joelin. Jolin Joe? It was Joel. And Badfinger.

SPEAKER_08 56:12

Yeah. That's um Badfinger's the one, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 56:15

Which is cool because I was well, Joey Mollins, Badfinger. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:19

The funny part about Joey Mollins, I remember uh before we went on, I was walking into the uh oh I was walking into the uh changing room area in the back there. They had him and he was kind of way out of the way. And I'm splashing cold water on my face because it was a very hot day. It was a hot day. And I see suddenly this guy comes out of one of the stalls with a towel around. That's it, you know, the wet hair. And I said, Wow, it's really hot. And he goes, it's gonna get a lot hotter. I'm like, who was this guy? It was it turned out to be Joey Mollins, Jerry Ruddy. And uh I remember his set was strange. Do you remember he stopped? Yes, he stopped his. I wanted to jump up there. I mean he's like, I know it.

unknown 57:01

I know it.

SPEAKER_06 57:03

I I think it was he didn't like the sound of something, like the sound was giving him problems.

SPEAKER_07 57:07

Right.

SPEAKER_06 57:08

And instead of just soldiering on, he'd stopped his set. It was very awkward. Very awkward. Wow.

SPEAKER_07 57:12

I don't remember that. I that's when I drank a lot of beer back then, you know.

SPEAKER_09 57:16

Uncle Beer. Remember piling in my van to get there, you maybe? Oh, yeah. All in the van. That was awesome. Did you?

SPEAKER_06 57:24

Yes, I just I'd gotten my new stick shift car, my 93 Central, which was not that long.

SPEAKER_07 57:30

Probably.

SPEAKER_06 57:31

How do we all piled in? No, I drove myself out there.

SPEAKER_07 57:35

Except for Frank. I think we I think we went together some yeah, I don't remember something like that. Yeah. But uh just to interrupt you for a second. I gotta tell you guys a great story that you guys would appreciate. And I am an asshole, yeah. So I went to this rock festival up in Albany somewhere. I forgot the name of the town. It was a three-day rock festival, you know? All these bands. So after the first day, me, my ex-wife, and our friend Deb, and a couple people went to this restaurant and we're hanging out, and there's a band sitting across from us, and people take pictures with them. Who are these people? I don't know. So I was doing another radio show back then called the Jim Chinese show.

SPEAKER_09 58:10

So I gotta rest in peace.

Wild Encounters From The Road

SPEAKER_07 58:12

Yes, I go up to the table. Hey guys, I give them stickers for the gym show. Hey, thank you. Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, I go back to my table, I get up, I go take a piss, and one guy gets up and go take a piss, also. So we both walk into the bathroom together. I go to the Urno, he goes into the stall. So he's talks to me, talking to me over the stall, saying, So what's going on up here? I go, yeah, okay. Like, you don't know. The rock go, all right. What band are you in? I said, I gotta ask you, what band are you in? He listened to me, he's laughing. He goes, I'm gonna be able to go to Chevy Meadow. I go, Chevy Meadow. I go, Oh, I go, we do a lot of covers and stuff. You playing? He goes, Yeah, we're playing tomorrow. Oh, cool. All right, go back to my walk out, fist bump, go back to the table. I'm sitting there, my ex-wife and my friend, and he gets up, he comes back over to me. Nice talking there. He gives me a fist bump. And he's got a smile on his face, and he leaves. So we're talking about this guy from Chevy Meadow. It was fucking Taylor Hawkins. It was fucking that was his fucking band. Taylor Hawkins band was Chevy Meadow. And they were playing up there. So the next day, uh, he didn't probably see me. I'm out the stage, I'm looking at him, I'm like, you motherfucker. And I knew he looked familiar, but he had this big hat on his head. You couldn't, his hair was up, you couldn't tell who it really was. It was fucking Taylor Hawkins. I thought I'm taking a piss with Taylor Hawkins, right? We're talking. It was nice, you know. But if I I now I wish I would have got pictures with him and blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_08 59:34

It was a warm moment. It was a war moment. It's fun.

SPEAKER_09 59:37

That's a fun rock and roll has another fun moment. Yeah, of course it does.

SPEAKER_07 59:44

A lot of good stuff. Man, we have a lot of great memories, guys. We we've been through a lot together as a band. Uh even though we had a lot of time that we weren't together, we didn't maybe there was years they wouldn't even talk, but we were still always there for each other.

SPEAKER_09 59:56

It was always that, you know, hey, what's going on? Right. Hey, let's do this. Hey.

SPEAKER_07 59:59

You gotta thank Facebook for that, honestly, because Facebook put a lot of people back together again, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:04

I got one more story about the about the old old rival days. The when we um debuted at your family barbecue. My family barbecue. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:16

Oh, yes, I remember that.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

Oh my god, that was one of the best those days were the family barbecue. I mean, we'd have a barbecue in my backyard, but we'd have like a fire pit, and and why we could break out the fucking. Nobody's business. Yeah, yeah. He'd break out the acoustic and doing triumph.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:31

I mean, him and my wife singing triumph together. Oh, yes. Yeah. It's like, oh, I gotta get these guys in the studio. Yeah, yeah. And I tried. We we tried. We did a couple of songs. You and backups only, right? That was it? Well, we there's a couple where you singing together. There is. Well, I had a vision of a Fleetwood Mac type band with him and my wife singing. And we did a couple of songs. Um, and yeah, you you went by the wayside as you know things do, but I'm just I'm just I still have them. So what do you guys remember about? Salvation and what? Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:09

I remember yes. I have the lyrics still written in one of my old books.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:13

Yeah. It was just uh drum machine demo.

Opening For Zebra And Venue Memories

SPEAKER_06 1:01:17

That is so cool. I said, let's talk about the zebra show. I remember Johnny called me up and said, guess who a rope or not for? Zebra. Zebra. That was great. Lamore's in Brooklyn.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:28

Lamore's West, yeah, in Brooklyn. You know what's sad about that whole situation? Still to today, I've still never seen Zebra Live.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:34

Yeah, I know. We because we had all our equipment. We gotta get out. We had to leave, we gotta get out of here. We get out the stage, get out the stage. I'm not leaving my van full of equipment on it. No, no, no. No safe place to put it, so we have to actually leave.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:46

Absolutely. But that was a definitely uh a memorable show. Oh my god, there was a lot of people there, remember? Yeah, that was a big show. That was awesome. And then Zebra, they actually watched us from the side of the stage, remember? Did they?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:57

Yeah, yeah. I remember uh it went so fast offset.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:01

Yeah, on it all.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:02

No, that was me. That was me going fast, Craig. I think, but I think it felt like it went so fast.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:06

No, it didn't feel like it was me, just go fast.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:08

That was that was a contributing factor.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:12

But no, right, we had a lot of great times, man. That's uh what do you want to add to that to that story? Because that's a great story.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:17

Yeah, that was because that was the first taste, I think, of of our uh, you know, getting to open up for someone bigger than just the local Long Island uh and Lamore.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:27

Right. For us, the rock capital of Brooklyn. Yeah. I mean Brooklyn, New York. And we fit right in, too. Yeah, that's an awesome thing. Yep. That was there. I mean, it was a little light because it was early, you know. We were one of the first bands to go on. But I remember there being a decent amount of people, yeah, and they were all somewhere else, and then we started playing, and they all that was there at least came up front. Right. That was the great part. Something like something new. Well, whoa, what's this?

SPEAKER_07 1:02:56

You know, it's it's a great feeling, even like I said, for me, not after arrival, I really didn't do nothing. And have all these friends that I was involved with that were in bands, like I said before. But is it also a great feeling to be like, yeah, I played in the Moor West, you know, I played in Brooklyn, you know, we play we played at Sparks, you know, we played in Nobody's, those are big places, man, to play. You know what I mean? To be able to say that, yeah, which is really cool, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:21

That's an impressive resume. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:23

I got to play Sundance too, a long time ago. That was great. Did you? Back in the day, yeah. My conspiracy band.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:29

Yeah, I played I played Sundance. Sundance? A different band, though, yeah. Yeah, that place was great though, man. That was I never got to play there. Sundance?

SPEAKER_09 1:03:35

Yeah, you never played? Who did I see there? Um Curve Play. The Bullet Boys. Bullet Boys. The Bullet Boys. Bullet Boys? Curve play Sundance. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:43

The Bullet Boys that play the cruise.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:45

I saw them and uh Virgin Steel.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:47

Virgin Steel.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:48

I was the double billet. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:50

Virgin Steel. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:55

My friend had a band called uh Invasion back in the day. You know Joe Hanko. Of course.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:58

That was Joe Hanko's band, Invasion. I know him very well. Right.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:01

And uh my friend Dave was a drummer, so I was like, I was like 15 years old. I wasn't allowed in these bars. And Joe Hanko's girlfriend used to babysit me in the dressing room. Like, you can't leave the dressing room. I'd help set the drums up, then into the dressing room. And I remember the biggest thing for me was one night at Sundance, they were opened up for Metal Church. And at the time, Metal Church was my favorite band. So it was so cool for me to go out there and help the drummer set his drums up. He was the coolest dude. And then before they went on, it was me, the drummer, and I think the guitar player, we walked out of Burger King. And we got food, we had a little food fight. And it was like I went fucking metal church. You know what I mean? And then, like a few weeks later, they did the same thing with Anthony, but they were a bunch of dicks. But anyway, you know what I mean? So, and um uh motorhead got to meet Lemmy. I got to fucking meet Lemmy. Yeah, I got to talk to him, shake his hand, you know what I mean? He was great. So, some cool stuff. Sundance uh holds a place in my heart. I played there about seven times myself.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:54

Yeah, good old days. He opened up another one.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:57

Did you open up out east of my journey tribute band? Never same. Wait a minute. Sunday. So the original Sundance was where? Maybe I played sure. No, maybe I played that one.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:07

Oh, yeah, the one out at Ridge? Rocky Point. Yes. Oh, yeah. The second one. The second one. The not so cool one. That's the one I not so sun dancing. Not so sun dancing.

DIY Demos With DAT And Four-Track

SPEAKER_07 1:05:21

So we did these recordings, and uh what did we do after that? What was up next? We did uh who's to blame and nobody's business.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:28

Oh gee, I don't know if I remember the actual order recorded.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:31

The funny part is uh it was it was funny. We would record the drums first. I remember I had an epiphany which was really not uh uh I just had bought a dat machine, if I remember correctly. We were just with the idea we'd mix down to a dat and I had this little A-track machine, which is what we did our demos on. I said, what if I we submix you know the tracks on the A on the A-track down to the two tracks on the digital, then bounce them back in that's been done for years, but I said, Oh my god, we have 12 tracks available to us. That allowed allowed us to uh you know make a full because don't forget home recording on uh it was just a cassette machine at the time. Right, right, right. That was starting to boom.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:14

I think I got the second task cam for mock two. Right, right. And uh I have one too. It was so great that he had one, I bought one. I bought one too.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:24

Well, in yeah, so um we we were able to make these you know demos that had a little more two in them than just four tracks, and um Steve and I would end up needing uh uh you know to mix them all the time.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:34

It was like it was a it was an art form back then. No automated boards. It was memorizing. All right, this has to go up to three at this point, then pull this one down, change it. This goes to left, this goes to right. It was like orchestration. Two of us with our hands going like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:48

You know, the funny part is still to this to this day making this album, and between you and him and Laz, I'm like, what the fuck are these guys talking about? Okay, cool. I thought I can write. Awesome. Send me this file, Steve. Send me some. Don't ask me for shit because I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:06

That's amazing that we could do that now. Yeah, that's a good idea. Which is kind of sucky and good. Good to do it. Because Laz be in in California wouldn't be able to do anything.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:20

True.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:20

Uh without flying him in and out every time. Right. But sad because we're not in the same room together. Right. Um, because that's when the magic happens.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:28

But speaking of which, which one of our best songs that we ever have is Bleed. That's along this fucking killer. Bleed for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:07:36

That's a new, new.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:37

That's a new new arrival that's not on the album. But hopefully we can just continue. Why not? Make a section.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:42

That's on our album Smell the Gloves. Smell it. Smell it.

SPEAKER_11 1:07:45

Sex is. Sex is.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:47

One more rolling dice.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:55

What do you call that thing coming down?

SPEAKER_09 1:07:58

There was a wait. The Stonehenge. Stonehenge. In danger of being trampled by dwarves. Oh man. Now we're not bloody doing Stonehenge.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:13

But that was great about this man. We always had fun, man. We always had a good time. Absolutely. Writing, you guys did the writing, I just did uh whatever. And uh it was always fun watching these songs come to what they are. You know what I mean? Even the new stuff. I mean, we did bleed, we did Prisoners, and we did one other song, not even.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:31

I've never been since I've never been before.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:37

I've never been like I've never been gone. Gone. That's a yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:41

I have some mixes of those. I had that too somewhere. Gone, I have. I have a finished version of Prisoners. Should I play it? Can we finish that?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:50

Do you have you have a version of this? I have a version of prisoners.

New Songs Prisoners And Bleed

SPEAKER_07 1:08:58

Let's go play prisoners and uh bleed for me. Alright, and then we'll come back to finish this up. We'll be right back right after this.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:40

Reflecting back on yes today.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:55

Caption in the middle of a time, gone by the way. Caption the middle of a time by the time. Still somewhere caught between now and still mate forever binds us from moving on our back again. Captured in the middle of the time go by. Well, we're captured in the middle of the time go by. Well, we're captured in the middle of the time.

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SPEAKER_07 1:19:14

Alright, we are back. Arrival radio.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:18

Arrival radio.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:21

Up next, arrival. We'll be playing 24 hours arrival.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:26

Arrival, non-stop.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:27

Last roll on the dice.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:28

This just in. Steve. Arrival. This just in.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:34

I think now you mentioned last roll. That was the night of the first one. I think we uh recorded that song. Which one? Last roll?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:42

I don't know why that gravitated to be the name. Yeah, I don't think it's the name. The cassette tape.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:50

Something about that freeze. Like somebody one of us must have said last roll. Maybe. It must have been you. Maybe. I I I don't know. Johnny? Maybe. I don't know, right?

SPEAKER_09 1:20:02

Is that what you called it originally?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:04

You know what I learned about all the songs? All the songs that we did was one was life.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:11

Every fucking song. Every gal following had life about because I don't want to like piss anybody off. But yes, every every damn song, except for the stuff obviously that you guys wrote, uh, was about something. That you did. Yeah. So why did something like I'm kicked out of you?

SPEAKER_09 1:20:32

That's why you have that. You you have that tormented soul that allows you to do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:37

And I love you for one very huge reason recently. And you want to know what that reason is? What? Because you gave me waves of sadness. And I say to myself, man, you know what? If I look at it that way, yes. Yeah. I don't like the word depressed. Wait, wait.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:54

I don't like the word depressed.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:55

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:56

So you say waves of sadness? That's a new song.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:05

When you said it, I was like, yeah, yeah. It's better.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:10

Cool, it's better. We'll write a song about that.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:12

So, what's your favorite arrival song? Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:16

I love them all.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:18

Stay away to heaven.

SPEAKER_09 1:21:21

I like them all. I can't, you know, I can't pick one out. That's all so good. And when we can do a new one, that's my favorite. Tough love always is my favorite.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:33

I love tough love. Like, I think about tough love. Like, where the fuck did this all come from?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:40

We were gonna live in the Yeah, I have a I have a cassette recording of us doing it in Rival Studios. Right in the next song. What is the next song we were gonna do?

SPEAKER_07 1:21:50

Wow, that's a good one I love that song, man.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:53

I mean, um Yeah, I I that was one when you guys played for me, um I had no idea it existed.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:00

Really? Oh, under music, I think.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:06

No, I mean no, no, I had nothing to do with it really.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:08

I don't know. I I don't know. Was it a laser song? It might have been uh what we did. It wasn't me. It wasn't you. I'm an augmenter. I I like to do choruses and stuff. He it might have been one of the I have this riff, and then I have this keyboard part. I think you started writing the lyrics, and I started playing the bass. I mean that's probably a lot of the songs maybe it was just to everybody.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:33

It was probably a Laz starting riff. Yeah. That's usually what happens with those songs.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:38

One of my favorites. I think one of the Laz's best guitar souls is killing us. That guitar solo is just fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_09 1:22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:47

But the guitar soul he did on bleed. The first guitar solo he had. I loved it. And then he changed it. I'm like, what are you doing? I changed it. I'm like, why? My my biggest thing is I always when we record and playing, I always give myself a little um access, like to know, like, okay, this is the sound here, I'm playing this. So his guitar solo was something I went with. So he sends me the whole guitar thing without a guitar solo. And I with a click jack, I'm like, I don't know what it is. That was the worst, man. That was the worst. But I would love to get back in the studio. I think we gotta come out with another album. I think we do.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:23

I think bleed is my favorite. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:32

Up until Gleed, it was killing us. Like I said, you know, every time we do a new one, that becomes my favorite. I mean, rumor tears.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:43

Oh, rumateers is a great song, man.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:44

That is let's watch love die. You know, just just right out the gate. It was just a lot of my lyrics.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:50

A lot of my lyrics had that let's let's watch love die. Juan, we're gonna die.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:01

Juan was a very pissed-off singer back in the day. I gotta die more.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:07

Do you guys remember the one highlight which I forgot to mention before? It was the photo session we did at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:13

Oh, stay out! Diane Light. Yeah, that was her name. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:18

That was great.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:19

That was great. My parents' basement. Yeah, we're living in the house.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:25

Makeup? Yeah. Your wife, right? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:30

I bought these snakeskin boots for that shoot, and I was like, Great way to get them off my fucking feet. There's no way of playing in these fucking things. Oh, how did Gene Simmons do this shit?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:40

That was funny.

unknown 1:24:41

That was really funny.

SPEAKER_09 1:24:42

That was great, man. You felt like you were in a real band. Like, I mean, I up until arrival, I had been in cover bands and cover bands, you know, teenage, you know, playing to parties and you know, to get beer and stuff. So that like when we first started this, it felt like, wow, you know, like this is this might be what it feels like to be in a real band that's not like a cover band that's like taking photo shoots and videos and writing songs that like you know everybody seemed to like. Like everybody I played was just like everybody had reaction. It was like whoa, what like you said your dad said. That's your band. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:22

A couple of radio shows that before I started mine. Vinny Cashing of Vinnie. Okay. I I sent him, I gave him the arrival stuff. He couldn't believe I'm gonna say, holy shit, this is your band, loved it, played it on his show all the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:37

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:38

Something for me, something I'm very proud of being part of. And with his album out now, it's just like what an accomplishment. Yeah, it's 36 years later, uh, whatever. If I get a steak dinner out of this, I'll be happy. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_09 1:25:50

You know, I'll buy your steak.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:55

You know, Peter Lucas, Peter Lucas, whatever you want, yeah. Brooklyn. You drive, I'll buy. There you go. Well, you know what? That's just the accomplishment, knowing the beast of place. Like when I do my radio show, right? There's sometimes like we we go to day tournament a lot, and uh we get to hotel rooms and all that stuff, and I'll tell you my girlfriend like this is cool, like this is calm to using the radio show. You know, I've been on three cruises, two cruises that was calm to us that we were invited on. That's why I did the show with Lou Graham. You know what I mean? It was really cool. So I was like, you know, that's why I'm feeling with the band right now. It's like this I want to be in a restaurant having a state that's in what the fucking band did this. The band got us, you know what I'm saying? Because it was something that was so cool that we did 36 years ago. But you guys know what the next thing is gonna be with this band, right? Because it's gonna happen. A movie is gonna happen. They're gonna want to track it. They're gonna want to track it.

SPEAKER_09 1:26:58

Yeah, you know what?

SPEAKER_07 1:27:06

Let's talk about the record company for a second.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:10

F and A. F and A. F and A. F and A. F an A. F and A record. F and A record.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:20

F and A FNA records. We can gotta get around. You gotta check it out, guys. Did you know about the shirts?

SPEAKER_09 1:27:26

Yeah, the shirts are you know the the album cover is it above me? Am I on camera?

SPEAKER_07 1:27:30

It is. No.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:38

The shirt has that on it. Um I didn't see it yet, but it's a black t-shirt. Yeah, it's pretty cool though. It's cool, right? And the and the autograph package too.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:46

Yeah, we just did an autograph package.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:48

So we so if you if anyone wants a CD with our autograph on it, you could uh purchase one of those too with all of our autographs.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:55

And we have a special edition smudge ones as well.

SPEAKER_09 1:27:58

Yes, and you can get the smudgy ones.

SPEAKER_07 1:28:04

So I'm always a mess. Me and my girl go out to dinner, it's like, you know, adult, adult. Who's the kid sitting here? That's me. Look at my desk back here. What a fucking disaster, you know. I always been I used to love going to the studio underneath February's and on the way there, he'd stop at Taco Bell, bring all the tacos and a couple of beers, we had a little refrigerator down.

SPEAKER_09 1:28:27

Yeah, we had a really cool studio. We had a cool studio. It was what? Big one, the big room. We were in the little room. They left. I think the people in the small room didn't want it. We moved in the big room and then they left.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:18

We were down in my back. Really fucking off. And why was that? We want to come back. There we are in the old days. She won lesson, Steven. Craig, I'm hitting back there somewhere. So far, I mean doing very well.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:04

I mean, even the electronic, you know, uh the uh any of the media Spotify it's really doing well.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:12

Combine on FNAF.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:14

Yeah, FNA records is outlet. You can just Google it if you want, and um three different play outlets, I believe.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:20

You know what's kind of funny is uh my daughter Rebecca literally was like, do you know you're on Spotify? This is so cool. This is so great. Yeah, I didn't know actually. Oh yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:35

Excellent. Yeah, so on all the major platforms. You can uh you can listen to it right now if you want.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:45

You have to put it like last roll of the dice.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:47

A rival like we said in the beginning, you know, there's so many arrival bads. If you put in arrival last for all the dice, absolutely we come up. There's no other arrival left for all of the dice. No, thank you so much, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:04

I was just rethinking the whole lyric thing. I was pushed off. I was talking all the lyric. Why was I so mad?

SPEAKER_07 1:31:13

We didn't want it.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:29

It was always a great thing to hear.

Grunge Era Reality And Closing Thoughts

SPEAKER_07 1:31:47

Stones.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:53

I'll just say one thing about um I remember um look at w when we started and what was popular at the time. You know, we were we were up to the battle.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:04

Yeah, grunge had just taken over when we started. Right. So it was uh yeah, we were we were commercially doomed from start.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:16

We were just a little bit.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:18

Yeah, we got the story. It doesn't matter. The story is what it is.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:49

We write it. Absolutely zero AI.