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Author Bill Rountree talks about his 50 year journey of alien encounters documented in his book: Aliens Are With Us.
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Season 2 Episode 31. Host Michael Ryan interviews author Bill Rountree. Mr. Rountree spent most of his life as project manager on large information technology projects for major companies like Sprint and Coca Cola, but for over 50 years he kept a secret. He had been having alien encounters since he was 7 years old. Bill Rountree talks about his experiences and his book: Aliens Are With Us. If you would like to find out more about Bill Rountree or participate in his alien abduction forum go here. If you would like to buy his book go to Amazon websites around the world. If you would like to read Michael Ryan's interview with Robert Hastings (UFOs and Nukes) go here. If you would like to find out more about the Pennsylvania MUFON 16th annual conference go here. If you would like to find out more about the Edinburgh UFO Festival go here. If you would like to find out more about the Shag Harbour UFO Expo go here.
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You are listening to the UFO Talker Podcast. Come with us as we explore UFOs from the past and the present. With insightful discussions, interviews, and reviews, we will add our voice to the mysteries that have been seen in our skies and oceans for all of human history. Now, here's our host, Michael Ryan.
SPEAKER_03Welcome everybody to the podcast. This is season two, episode 31 from Studio 7H here in Ontario, Canada. On today's episode, I have Bill Roundtree, who has written a book called Aliens Are With Us, and it documents his 50-year journey with having multiple contact with aliens. And I also have a few upcoming UFO events that you should know about. One of them is uh coming up this weekend. Actually, two of them are coming up this weekend. So this coming Saturday, the Pennsylvania MU Fund is having the 16th annual Pittsburgh UFO conference, and that takes place this Saturday, April 6th, from 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. They're hep they are having several speakers, and there is uh Bill Burns is going to be there. He was the gentleman that was on UFO Hunters. That was a very, very good show uh on several years ago, and also Dr. Ray Keller will be there along with uh several other speakers. And then also this Friday and Saturday, April 5th and 6th, is the um Edinburgh UFO Festival 2024, and that's in Edinburgh, uh Texas, and they are having uh several guest speakers, including David Marler, Michael Schratt, Stacy Wright, and No Torres, and also uh Ben Henson will be speaking there as well, so that will be interesting. If you are near Edinburgh, Texas, that would be definitely worth going to. And also coming up in September, which is September 27th and 29th, is the Shag Harbor UFO Expo, and that will be in Yarmouth, Nova Scotia. And they are going to have several speakers that include Bryce Zabel, Preston Dennett, who is we've interviewed a couple of times on our show, Chris Stiles, and Jennifer Stein to mention just a few. That will definitely be worth going to, and also it's a beautiful part of Canada as well. And also, in case you missed it, I have my blog interview of Robert Hastings, who is the guy who wrote uh UFOs and nukes and also confession. That is on my blog, and I will leave a link to that in the show notes. So now it's that part of the show where I give my shout-out to a small town or city where we have listeners. And this week it is Irmo, South Carolina, which has a population of eleven thousand five hundred and sixty-nine people, and that is right near Lake Murray. Now, Irmo is a little bit different than most of the places that I have looked at because I I watched several videos, and Irmo doesn't really have a main street. I think they're they're trying to organize something where they want to make a main street, but I don't think there was any really ever any defined main street in Irmo. But it's kind of uh you know sprawled all over the place. But what I saw of it looked uh very good for sure. It looked like a really nice part of the US. And of course, what would a shout-out be if not for a restaurant and a bakery? Because I kind of think in life that's all you need. It's a good restaurant and a good bakery. That's really all you need. So fortunately, Irmo has what looks like two really good uh places that fit the bill, and one is called Matthias's, the Matthias Sandwich Shop. And that has been around a long time in Irmo, and they look like they make a lot of good food there, but apparently, from reading the website, the pimento burger is what you don't want to miss. So definitely, if I'm in Irmo, South Carolina, I'm definitely gonna have the pimento burger for sure. And there's also a bakery called the Butter Cream Queen, and that looks really good. And they make cakes, pies, cookies, and it just has everything on their website that looks like this is a place where you want to have that kind of food. And of course, to wash all of that down, you have to go to Loveland Coffee, and they have quite a video on YouTube explaining their coffee shop, and I would say they're they are going well above and beyond what most coffee shops do to get you a good cup of coffee. So definitely I would be going there if I'm in Irmo, South Carolina. So that's our shout out today to Irmo, South Carolina, and also um today we are not going to have an audio excerpt from a book, and we will be right back after this message.
SPEAKER_00Will we ever find out the mystery behind unidentified flying objects? For over 75 years, the mystery has been just beyond our grasp, showing itself when we least expect it and when we are not prepared for it to enter our lives. Military pilots, astronauts, scientists, police officers, and citizens all being faced with the unknown and the unexplained. Craft of all shapes and sizes, silently hovering, turning colors, flying at speeds that are not humanly possible. Over time, some of us have witnessed these objects. Some of us have touched these objects, some of us have been harmed by their unknown energy source. Some of us have been abducted by the beings who can appear from nowhere. Will we ever find out the mystery behind unidentified flying objects? What is going on behind the closed doors of government? Are they hiding the biggest secret, or is it like a giant puzzle with only a few of the puzzle pieces giving us a glimpse of something we will never understand? Maybe Captain Edward J. Rapelt was right. Only time will tell.
SPEAKER_01Thanks. Good to be here.
SPEAKER_03Um, before we get started, I just want to read, or I just want to mention that I've spoken to Bill before this interview, and I have read his book, and I just want to say that I believe that Bill believes these events really happened to him. Um Bill, I wonder if for a brief moment you could take us back to what it was like growing up in Atlanta in the 60s, and maybe just talk a little bit about your your family life then.
SPEAKER_01Okay. Um yeah, so it was uh we lived in a uh standard suburb, you know, which were were common back in the 60s, especially places like Atlanta. Um right across uh grew up right across from elementary school, so just kind of walk up to the school and had had some friends there we'd hang out with and play the uh traditional kick-the-can kind of games and run around the neighborhood and visit other friends, etc. Went to high school in the same area also, that was a drive. We could walk with if need be, but you know, it was uh uh you know, I was in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts and that type of thing, and um had a pretty traditional uh lifestyle. I was a baby of the family, had an older brother, older sister. My mom stayed at home, my dad worked, uh, you know, got jobs in high school and got a car as soon as I was 16 because I couldn't wait to hit the road and go do things.
SPEAKER_03So it's uh it sounds pretty typical, and I should tell my listeners that uh Bill and I are the same age. So you were you were probably watching the man from Uncle and uh you know Wild Wild West.
SPEAKER_01Yes. Bonanza and the Mission Impossible.
SPEAKER_03I know, I know. Bill, I just to get this going, I wonder if you can, for my listeners, I wonder if you can describe in detail the um the first time you had this encounter, and and how old were you?
SPEAKER_01Um well actually, so when uh I was like seven years old, my parents sold a house. We'd grown up in a smaller house. My brother and I shared a bedroom, my sister had a separate room. So I my parents moved to a new house, and so I had my own room for the first time. I was about seven years old, and I saw something in the room or thought I did. Of course, you know, seven years old, you know, you get scared easily. So I got scared and kind of just ran down to my brother's room and and uh he had twin beds in his room. So I saw something like when I was about seven years old, you know, but of course I had no idea what it was, and I couldn't see clearly. There were no lights in the room. Uh so I was able to like uh tell talk my parents and let me sleep in my brother's room for a while. But he was like three or four years older, so um, you know, he wasn't ready for me to be there. He wanted he went his own space. So I was about eight years old and moved back to my bedroom, and I I continued to see something, but I was scared and just kind of like you know, kept my head covered, kept my head underneath the sheets. Um and you know, because I knew I felt something was there, but nothing I could really, you know, pinpoint. And so uh I would talk to my dad about it, and he came into the room one night and kind of said, Okay, tell me what you see, is that it? Is that it? You know, kind of thing. Kind of went through things, and finally, you know, I said, No, that's not, no, that's not it. Finally, I said, Okay, maybe that's it, you know, just to kind of end it. And it looked like it looked like an eagle pointing, so it was kind of like the joke, you know, you know, Billy's scared of the eagle pointing in his room. And um, so I kind of kind of just let it go and and kind of dealt with it. Then when I was about uh 10 years old, I saw something pretty clearly. I think there must be maybe there's a full moon or something, and I was kind of hot and hadn't my head wasn't covered underneath the sheets, which is where I usually slept because you know I didn't want to see whatever it was. But I saw something clearly, and so I went to my uh wasn't sure what it was, I just saw something. And so uh the next day I got a uh uh my mother to give me a night light and I put it uh put it in a good position so I could see that part of the room clearly. And uh a few months later I woke up and and saw you know the device clearly for the first time because the night light did a great job of lighting up my room and it kind of looked like just a large camera, you know, it's like uh one and a half you know feet tall and like two feet wide, and uh had like a retractable arm on it, and uh something that looked like a retractable arm anyway, but it was floating off the ground, it wasn't connected to the ceiling at all, it wasn't connected to the ground, just kind of floating in the air, just kind of sitting there. And the first time I saw it, you know, one like that with a night light, I was uh I knew whatever it was wasn't from this world. You know, I was old enough to kind of realize that it wasn't a wasn't a common thing.
SPEAKER_03And so then um So I just I just want to stop you here. So how how far away would would it have been?
SPEAKER_01Uh my room, I had the small room being the baby the table, it was like a 12 by 12 bedroom. It was probably uh five feet from my bed. But it's between my bed and the door and the light switch. So um it just kind of hovering there.
SPEAKER_03So that so that's pretty close. So that definitely when you're seeing something like that, you know, you know it's real. Like uh it's not like imaginary or anything like that. And and what what colors uh was it?
SPEAKER_01It was pretty uh you know, you know, when it's dark, it's kind of hard to discern colors too well, but it was it was just like maybe like um kind of grayish around the maybe like a dark gray on the outside part, and the center had like what looked like a big lens that was black. So it's pretty, you know, pretty colorless for the most part.
SPEAKER_03And was it shiny like a lens?
SPEAKER_01Like the No, I didn't notice any shininess. That's a good question, but it's pretty much like flat colored. Um you know, I didn't notice any reflection from the nightlight on or anything, just it just kind of just hovering there, motionless.
SPEAKER_03And from what you could see, there were did you see any seams or anything that looked human, like screws or or you know something where it was mechanically put together?
SPEAKER_01No, that's a good question too, but no, it looked kind of just just kind of flat and plain. Um pretty un undistinct, really, non-distinct, whatever, but it was yeah, it was it was fairly plain looking.
SPEAKER_03And when it was uh hovering there, was there any motion or it was totally motionless?
SPEAKER_01Totally motionless, yeah. Was wasn't budging an inch, wasn't you know wavering at all, just firmly just sitting there doing nothing.
SPEAKER_03And was was there any sound?
SPEAKER_01No, no sound at all. No.
SPEAKER_03So when you you know, when you had this when you were 10, you saw this, so now when you're 10, obviously you're looking at something and you realize, okay, this is different. Like this isn't something that's um happening all the time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I was extremely scared. I I was I was scared to move at all. I just sat totally motionless, staring at it for like you know five, ten minutes, making sure I was awake, you know, making sure what I was seeing, and just kind of just sat and didn't budge an inch. Like I was like I thought I could hide from it, you know.
SPEAKER_03And did you um so how long did that last? How long did that encounter last?
SPEAKER_01Um it probably a full 15 minutes. I just kind of sat stared at it. Uh it didn't it didn't do anything at all. It just kind of sat there and finally I got tired of looking at it and scared. I wanted it to go away. So I jumped up and headed towards the light, which is it was in between me and the light switch. And so I just kind of reached up, kind of grabbing for it as I headed for the light. And as I did, it just kind of slowly like faded away. It kind of looked like it, you know, maybe it picked up slightly and just kind of faded at the same time, like a you know, uh a fluid motion of up and fading away at the same time.
SPEAKER_03So like it it disappeared.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Yep, right when I reached for it, then I flipped the light on and sat there, you know, with the light on the rest of the night, sat on the edge of the bed trying to think through what what was going on, what I saw.
SPEAKER_03Now, did you did you tell your parents about that? Like when you're a lot more certain that this wasn't like a shadow or or something like that?
SPEAKER_01Well, because I'd been teased by my you know my older brother and sister so much for being scared of something in my room, you know, I I'd already kind of like began to give up at that point. Um so I didn't that that first night I didn't tell anybody. Later on I did, but that first night I didn't tell anybody about it.
SPEAKER_03And have you did have you I guess you've thought about that a lot over the years, like um, you know, why do you feel other than you know, people your family wasn't really believing what you were saying, why do you feel that you never uh w you know came at people stronger with what you were seeing, or like why did you kind of give up?
SPEAKER_01Well, you know, I I've been ridiculed about it so often before, about thinking I saw something. And you know, I I kind of thought I would never see it again. I kind of, you know, the first time I saw it, I thought, well, you know, maybe I did imagine it, you know, maybe whatever it is, if I did see something, I'll never come back, and you know, there's no reason to say anything. You know, it just kind of, you know, when things happen sometimes, it just happens slowly, and you just keep putting up with it, putting up with it, and next thing you know, it's been 50 years.
SPEAKER_03Do you um from approximately that time when you were roughly 10 until you were roughly about 19, how many times did you see it and how often would you see it?
SPEAKER_01Well, I I usually tried not to see anything. I usually, you know, like I always kept like the the sheets over my head so only my eyes were showing. And I usually was facing the other direction in bed and tried not to see anything, try not to look around and see anything. So who knows how often it was there, but I would see it several times a year at least. Not on a regular basis, but you know, like I said, it's probably there a lot more often than that. I just didn't see it or didn't, you know, um yeah, wasn't looking for it.
SPEAKER_03So did you ever in your teenage years, did you ever think about um recording it?
SPEAKER_01Like with a camera or no, but this was like this was like, you know, 67, 68, that kind of thing. And you know, uh no. I mean, I guess I could have tried to borrow my father's Polaroid or something, you know, and try to take a picture of it, but uh it's no, I never really thought about that. I mean one thing I kind of didn't want to I kinda hoped it would stop coming anyway. It's like maybe I'll never see it again. And then also maybe probably probably part of my thinking was, you know, I didn't want to I didn't want to make them mad at me, you know, or you know, try to like trick them or anything.
SPEAKER_03Yes. Um when you I thought about this, when you saw, when you the times that you saw the object, the times that it happened, what were what like were you stressed or happy or sad? Like, did it come when you felt a certain way, or it just came randomly?
SPEAKER_01No, not at all. I was pretty much, you know, I'm a very easy-going person. I was as a kid, obviously, too. So I mean, I'm you know, and I think that's one reason they kind of kept coming back, because I'm the type that doesn't freak out. If someone came in and said, hey, there's a fire, I said, Okay, well, we better go, let's get our stuff. You know, I'm not the type to run and scream and panic. And I think that's probably one of the reasons they kept coming back is because I didn't freak out. Um so I guess to answer your question, I'm you know, my I don't really I'm not the type to stress out or or you know, my my childhood, you know, back in those ages especially was pretty uh you know, pretty Andy Griffith type, you know, it's pretty it's pretty simple. Yeah, exactly. Right.
SPEAKER_03Um I you know, I thought to myself is it's kind of like, you know, because I was trying to put my myself in your position, it would be kind of like having a secret that you couldn't share with anybody. Because I can I can kind of get, you know, once you it's kind of we uh Bill and I talked before the show. I when I was eight years old, I had seen a UFO at very close range. And that's the thing, is you know, you absolutely know that you this happened, but after a while, when you talk to people, certain people would ridicule you or not believe you. So you tended not to bring it up to people you thought that would be dismissive. And I'm sure it was even more pronounced with you that you know you were aware of what kind of person that you would ever mention this to or tended not to do it because you just want didn't want to put up with the the uh ridicule of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I did kind of so after I first saw it and and realized it was it was you know something not from this world or you know, this this time of the world, etc. I did kind of mention to uh uh my best friend in school the time, and uh I said, you know, kind of just like, have you ever seen anything in your room at night? And he just started well, like a ghost, you know, he just kind of started immediately ridiculing me. So I I dropped it pretty quickly with him and said, No, no, I've just you know saw something on TV the other day. I wonder if you ever saw anything in your room. You know, so I dropped it pretty quickly because yeah, I've uh just more ridicule.
SPEAKER_03It kinda Well it uh to me it makes a lot more sense. Like some people I guess when they read the book or hear about this, they would say, Well, why didn't you do A? Why didn't you do B? But you know, you're living your life, and when something like that happens to you and it just doesn't fit in with the rest of what's going on, and you've tried to tell people and not got a very good response, I think with anything in life that you don't keep going to that well. Like, you know, if you if you're doing something and it it doesn't go well for you, you you kind of tend to stop stop doing that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I I had a uh you know what I believe is a physical visit, you know, a few years later when I was like about 17 years old and try to tell my friends again. And uh this time there's like three of my best friends in the car. I've known them all since I was like you know eight years old or something, known ten years, and they all immediately started ridiculing me, kind of saying, Oh yeah, that's happened to me once, that type thing. You know, so just more of the same. So just another reason just to keep it to myself.
SPEAKER_03So um you mentioned in your book that a few times you felt the object talk to you, like you could hear the voice kind of like maybe coming from inside you or something.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, 100% sure they they spoke to me. And and I just for some reason you could I could just tell it was it was something of my other family members wouldn't hear. I've read other books, people kind of describe it the same way. You immediately know that it's you know it's uh you know that you know there's it's not a it's not a a voice someone else could hear. And they spoke very clearly, said something very specifically, and stopped. And that happened when the device was there, and after they finished talking, the device faded away on its own for the first time, which was interesting.
SPEAKER_03Now they when this spoke to you, and it was it was just twice in all these years that it it actually spoke, and but it didn't like it kind of in my opinion, it didn't say anything that you would want it to say. Like it wasn't earth-shattering, like it wasn't the meaning of life, or you know, what does this all mean? It was kind of more less interesting things that that what it actually said.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it was pretty vague, but it's enough to let me know at least that they were you know aliens, you know, they were not from this world, and um, you know, they they you know, they kind of said we left you on the beach thousands of years ago. You humans have, you know, uh have come a long way since we left on the beach thousands of years ago. That was kind of the first thing they said. And you know, I think, and you know, I've been thinking about that too, about other people, because I've done a lot more research on it now that I published my book and read other people's books, etc. But uh, it kind of seems that that you get they interact with you in a way that they think you are able to be ready for or understand or want. And I kind of made it clear from day one I want them to go away and leave me alone alone. So I think for that reason they didn't appear before me, you know, and they didn't uh they didn't, you know, have conversations with me like some people talked, I'm about to have conversations with them, because I didn't want to. I wanted them to just go away and leave me alone, you know.
SPEAKER_03And so And so you felt that this was kind could it have been kind of like telepathy?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think and you know and that's when I began thinking, okay, if they can talk to me in a telepathic manner, they can undoubtedly read my mind. So that's when I started thinking, okay, you know, they're you know, they're kind of they're not they're observing me. I'm like an experiment, you know.
SPEAKER_03It's I just want to mention something to our our listeners, and I think this will make it more uh understandable, is I want to go back to my example of what I saw, because it what you thought and what I thought were actually very similar, because the object I saw was you know a hundred feet away, a hundred or two hundred feet in the air. So when I saw it, immediately I knew that it was not anything I'd seen ever before, it was unusual, this was way different, like way off the way off the charts. And it's kind of what you said that when you saw the the object, you just realized right away that okay, this doesn't fit into our um our normal world. Exactly. And so I can really understand that, right? Even though my my experience wasn't like your experience, but you know, sometimes you just you just get a like a gut feeling. You just see something and you go, okay, that is way off the scale of what I have ever seen before or understand in life.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Yeah. In my 67 years of experience, I've never seen anything not from this world except this. But even at age, you know, 11 right away, I knew this is not from this world. This is, you know, this is not this is something different.
SPEAKER_03Now the you described there's a few times where you felt uh there was aliens physically. In once I remember reading, it was in your bedroom, but you didn't open your eyes, but you felt something on your bed sheets, or if you I wonder if you could describe that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so uh that was by then I was like 17 years old. My brother and sister were off at college, and my mother had remarried to someone in Connecticut, so she was just back and forth part-time. And so uh so I was uh in the house alone, and I woke up hearing something that sounded like something being dragged across a bed sheet, like you know, a strap or something or a device or something. That woke me up, but instantly I tried to open my eyes, but I couldn't. It was like a vibrating force keeping me, you know, from from moving. Same thing anytime I tried to make any sort of movement, like move my arms, it was the same thing. It wasn't like a painful electric shock. It was just it was just you know uh kind of like a vibrating force just holding me. Any any movement I attempted to make, whether it was open my eyes or move my arms or legs, I couldn't do anything. I didn't feel anything other than that. I didn't feel like they were touching me other than that. It was just uh, you know, that inability to move, and it lasted, you know, at least 10 minutes. You know, I had no idea how, you know, how long exactly because I couldn't like look at a clock or anything. And then all of a sudden it stopped. I was instantly able to open my eyes and move, and I just jumped out of bed instantly. So I went from that from a long period to just jumping out of bed.
SPEAKER_03And there was one uh time that or you can tell me if it was more than once, but I I think I seem to remember it was once, that this happened during the daytime that you saw the object.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I saw the object during the daytime. It wasn't like the physical visit, but uh yeah, one morning uh I was just sitting there kind of laying in bed, you know, I was sitting bolt upright, you know, kind of hands behind my head, thinking about okay, you know, what am I gonna do today? I was gonna meet up with some friends later and looked over and saw it in the daytime. That was like the first time I saw it in the daytime.
SPEAKER_03And did it look any different or did you feel about it any differently?
SPEAKER_01No, it yeah. I mean, even though it was more light to see it clearly, it it looked the same. It was it was kind of unchanged. But that was the first time it left on its own, too, which was interesting. But as soon as I kind of looked, turned around, looked at it, it slowly faded away.
SPEAKER_03Also, um you have been married uh a few times, and I wanted to ask you, do you think that having this secret, and I in the book uh you're pretty open about it, that you were you would try to wake your wife up at the time to see it, and for some reason they never would. But do you think that this secret that you just couldn't tell, do you think that had any um you know significance in maybe uh how your marriages ended because you couldn't totally be uh totally honest about what was happening to you?
SPEAKER_01Well, I never thought about that way. That that may have had something to do with. Um yeah, I don't know. I've for some reason I'm uh you know I'm I'm way more adventurous than other people. So I think that had a you know a part to do with maybe more than just the secret. I just like I always had this yearning to go do things, explore places, you know, like uh not grass is green on the other side, which my brother says that's one of the way I but just a yearning to go do things and you know, most things I like to go do, a woman wouldn't really want to go with me anyway. So I you know, it's just a combination of that that may certainly play into it also, just um having having something like that I couldn't share with them or you know, having to have a secret. But yeah so so when they did visit, when when I was, you know, had you know, uh a woman in bed with me, I would look over and see the device and she'd be sleeping and I'd kind of like you know, nudge her a little bit to try to wake her up, and you know, she'd just kind of mumble away a little bit, and then you know, I would do something like a loud cough, I'm sorry, a loud cough and a push at the same time and kind of shove them and then wake up and go, what, what, what do you want, what are you doing? And then right then the device would just kind of fade away. So, you know, I I think you know, that sounds funny to people maybe, but if you think about it, it clearly aliens, you know, people that like me who who know aliens are visiting Earth, they're they're keeping away from us as much as possible. You know, they're trying to trying to not let it be, you know, let them be known that they're here. So it kind of plays into that in my idea, you know, in my mind rather, that they just didn't want someone else to see them and have more evidence that you know what what's going on with me is is true and aliens are visiting. But that happened every time I tried that. They would slowly fade away once they were waking up, and then I'd have to say, I'm sorry, I must have been something.
SPEAKER_03Do you um f you mentioned in the book that you even now you haven't told very many people that uh d have you ever felt the urge to tell any of your former wives what no, not really.
SPEAKER_01Um they if I did, you know, they they may say, Oh, I remember that, you know, I remember you doing that several times or something like that. But I I really haven't felt any urge to tell them. It's just it's just so difficult to tell people. You know, like you know, Elias you just said, I've only told a couple of family members, and uh, you know, uh I thought, okay, if if you know, if it ever gets out, they find out about that, that's fine. But I just, you know, it's just difficult to talk about.
SPEAKER_03Do you in the book you you know you have moved and traveled to several different parts of the U.S. and you you had uh homes in several different parts of the U.S.? I I've thought about this when I've read other uh cases similar to this. Do you ever think now, or have you ever had the thought that maybe you were being kind of manipulated to move to a certain area so it would be easier or more convenient to be looked at or watched? Did you ever think of that?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I I definitely think uh, you know, that they may I'm they may be manipulating me, you know, like uh planting thoughts in my mind or something, you know, like um that type of thing. And actually, you know, the the second company they spoke to him, my son had moved to California, and he and I are very close, and my uh my wife, his mother had passed away, and uh my former wife, his mother had passed away. And he moved to California, and you know, uh I was visiting him once, and um and I saw the device during the day. I was just kind of just sitting on the sofa and looked over, and there it was. It was like nine o'clock in the morning, you know. I've gotten up and gone to the bathroom, kind of figuring out what I was gonna do that day. And there was a device, and they said, uh, you know, now that you're living in California, we won't visit you anymore. And it it faded away on its own again. And I, you know, that was I was like, what the heck is that supposed to mean? Why would they say that? And then I started thinking, well, maybe, you know, maybe they're you know, they're saving, or you know, maybe they're saying that because now I'm gonna be safe because the East Coast is getting ready to be bombed or something, a terrorist attack. And and then the more I thought about it, and the other things that happened later in my life, it's like, okay, I think it was they wanted me there, or whoever like my guardian angel is, you know, maybe, you know, maybe we have a guardian angel that follows us, or you know, a soul we were connected to in the path of in the past that follows us and you know stays with us and helps us, etc. And uh my guardian angel wanted me to be in California to kind of support our son, moving out there. Of course, our son, meaning, you know, I think my former wife was involved with it. Her spirit, you know, her soul, that type of thing. So, which is why I kind of get into my book talking about the relationship that I think uh aliens have with our guardian angels and reincarnation and that type of thing. So I think, yeah, maybe uh, you know, maybe I was somewhat manipulated or coerced into going that direction.
SPEAKER_03Is this um when you look back on things, is this the only strange thing that has ever happened to you, or are there other kinds of things that are maybe equally as strange?
SPEAKER_01Well, there's other visits they did, um uh but as far as something that's not well, I mean, yeah, I mean, uh well, like at one point when I was like 20 years old, I uh I was driving with a friend down the road, and you know, he he had this dumb game he liked to do, and he'd kind of get the steering wheel and kind of yanked it back and forth as you were driving. You know, it was an empty road, but still either he yanked too far or I I grabbed it out of his hand trying to stop him. One way or another the car started flipping and it it rolled over. The policeman said it, you know, it was at least three times that it rolled over. It was just like, you know, uh rolling on a side over and over again. The car was smashed, you know, flat as a pancake. And the whole time I was inside, he kind of said the same thing. Felt like I was in a bubble, you know, like suspended in mid-air. And we had to the car ended up upside down. We had to like kick the doors open to get out of it. And neither one of us had any bruises. He did have a scratch on his forehead. I'm not sure how he got that. Maybe he was getting out of the car, but I didn't even have a bruise, nothing, you know. And the police came and said the last car they saw like that, the the people inside were dead on arrival and dead instantly from the accident. And I was unscathed, you know, and that's another that's at one point when I felt like you know, my guardian angels were looking over me. So that type of thing has happened. But I guess I kind of relate a lot of those to the guardian angelslash, you know, some sort of alien involvement, at least in my mind. And there's other visits certainly I've had.
SPEAKER_03Do you have you ever seen a UFO?
SPEAKER_01No, I haven't. I saw tracks of an alien visit once, you know, but uh and I actually took pictures of that and uh a video of that because that was just a few years ago, so you know that that was easy to record.
SPEAKER_03And then you have a picture of that in your uh in your book as well.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, that was that was an interesting experience. I was in my house uh up in uh the mountains in in California, and there was a lot of snow that night, and uh kind of woke up uh uh hearing something on the roof that you know I was sure it was something walking on the roof. I mean I spent the night in that house a hundred times with snow. So I know the sounds of snow shifting, et cetera, you know, that type of thing. But this was I was you know 99% sure it was something walking on the roof, and I was like freaked out, laying there, scared to move. I heard it for like 20 minutes, and then it stopped. And so then once the sun came up, I got out, got up and walked outside. There's you know the fresh snow on the ground, but these tracks that are like, you know, they're like two inches wide, 14 inches long. They start or stop in the middle of the yard and go to my house. So, you know, I've never seen any animal tracks like that. And I have a real mountain man kind of friend who does hunting and that type of thing. And he says, he said he knows of no animal that can make that track. He said maybe it was a bird of prey grabbing a squirrel or something and like dropping his, you know, every, you know, in a in a little bipedal pattern, you know, for which is next to impossible. But he goes, but that's real unlikely. He said the only thing I could think with maybe being an alien, and he kind of laughed it off. He didn't know anything about my book or my experiences, which I thought was interesting, but very strange. So that was like, and that you know, I've got my book broken into two sections, what I know and what I believe. And that's in the what I believe section, because you know, it uh it could be something else. I'm like 99% sure it was an alien visit, but you know, I didn't see the device like I did in the other one.
SPEAKER_03So I have um I'm gonna combine two questions here because I think they're kind of appropriate for each other, is you know, why did you decide to write this book? And also combined with that, uh af looking back on it now over all these years, what do you think it all means? Like what do you think the meaning of all this is?
SPEAKER_01Well, um as far as why I decided to write it, it's uh I I had retired uh a few years ago, and so I wasn't so worried about any repercussions from jobs because I had some pretty you know high high profile jobs, and you know, probably wouldn't have gotten them if I had already written this book to tell the truth, you know, because I was leading some big projects for some big companies, and uh, you know, that could have played negatively against me. Excuse me. And so that's one reason. I thought, okay, I'm gonna go ahead and do it. And then secondly, you know, as you get older, you just you just care less what people think.
SPEAKER_03Right. Yes, it's definitely not definitely not as important.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. And I just kind of wanted to get off my chest. I was tired of it being a secret, I was tired of hiding about it, you know, and and more and more people are coming forward. And so it's uh, you know, if I'd written it 30 years ago, I really would have been ridiculed, but you know, so uh I'm you know being somewhat ridiculed now, but that's that's okay. Uh but I'm just tired of keeping a secret.
SPEAKER_03So to me, this lends um highly to your credibility because you know, as you when you read the book and in your biography or your bio, you're like a very successful person. So you don't need this to make money or anything like that. And actually, if anything, this could be you know detrimental to you socially, because people might that you know might think of you differently in a way that maybe they don't want to know you anymore or something.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, which is why, you know, several times a week I think about unpublishing it. I had a girl, you know, I'm on dating sites, and I had a girl, you know, uh once we once I called her and we talked, she, you know, she looked up my name and she found it immediately. It popped up. And after about 30 minute conversation, she brought it up, and uh, you know, I could tell she wasn't too happy about it because she was a very religious person.
SPEAKER_03Oh yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But what was interesting was uh she talked about and I think one's one reason she wanted to go ahead and talk to me because she said uh she has uh what she calls her angels that visit her in her bedroom all the time. And she said they're about four feet tall as my angel. And I said, uh said, kind of sounds like an alien to me. Yes. Which she did not like, of course. So I mean, yeah, it's definitely definitely impacted my social life negatively. But you know, it's also helped some people. I've you know as part of this, I created a uh a website with kind of like a forum on it for people that you know have experiences so they can talk to other people that have had experiences, you know, because no one else really understands except other people have had these kind of experiences, you know. And I I've had some people reach out to me and uh, you know, they thank me for writing the book and you know for talking to them on the forum about it. And at least it helped a few people so far. Maybe it'll help more in the future.
SPEAKER_03But I know this is the this is the area of ufology that is just so difficult, right? Because I you know, I feel like I have built in, there's something I've had my whole life, is a pretty good uh BS meter built in. So when I talk to people, not just about UFO stuff, but just anything in general, I know pretty quickly whether this is a load of Of you know, not anything truthful or not and definitely after reading your book and talking to you, this is our second time talking now, it you know, I just don't have any of those feelings. I I absolutely feel that you're that you're genuine, you know. So it is and there are a lot of people who have had experiences similar to to what you have had. So there was the the Harvard um psychologist John Mack, who's no longer with us, but uh, you know, he wrote uh books on it, people having these experiences and he held himself up to a lot of uh ridicule from his peers for for even thinking of this, right? So I I kind of commend you for um for doing this because it could not have been easy, but it definitely adds to you know the the history of whatever this means. Like it's just one more one more piece of the puzzle.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Well it's funny along those lines. I mean, um, you know, because I think, okay, you know, what are my grandkids gonna think of me? This is gonna be my legacy unless I'm unpublished. That's right. What are my grandkids gonna think of me? Then I think, well, you know, I guarantee in 10 or 20 years the governments are finally gonna, okay. You know, they've been visiting us for 50 years, blah, blah, blah. I think it's finally gonna come out at some point, and they'll look back and say, wow, he's he was one of the early ones to come out and talk about it, you know.
SPEAKER_03So the one the one thing I'm dying to ask you is um since you've published the book, have you had any more experiences?
SPEAKER_01No, I haven't, which I think's interesting. Um yeah, when they came to me in 2016, they said, you know, now that you're living in California, we won't visit you anymore. But then I had those tracks in the snow, I had what I thought was an abduction, you know, when I was living in California. So I wonder, well, they said they were gonna come visit me anymore, but then again, I haven't seen that device. So maybe, you know, maybe it's uh you know different groups, maybe you know, they was they were referring to themselves, the observers versus you know, other people or other aliens rather. So I thought that was interesting, but I have not had any more. Um I've had some strange dreams, but that's totally different. Dreams are dreams are totally different. You know, it's not like waking up and seeing something so many times. So I don't, you know, I haven't had any more visits besides the um the couple in uh in my cabin in the mountains in California.
SPEAKER_03So is this the longest period of time that uh you haven't had a visit?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it definitely is. It's been uh three years. Oh. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03So maybe what they said the last time they talked was they meant it for real that we we wouldn't be visiting you anymore.
SPEAKER_01Well, you know, along those lines it's funny. So I've read some uh what other people's you know books, like I said, since I've published mine. I've been reading more of it, and it's you know, it's interesting, etc. But um it seemed like if you're open to them visiting visiting you, they will. So sometimes I think, you know, maybe I'll just you know kind of like ask them, let me know if you want me to publish this book, you know. Because maybe they do. Maybe I'm being manipulated to publish the book to kind of help, you know, pave the way for them finally being able to reveal themselves to us, you know. So it's all you know, it's all a little uh makes you wonder.
SPEAKER_03It does, it does. I it's um, you know, that's exactly what you just mentioned. That's a question I posed to uh Robert Hastings. I said, for the people who are having these experiences and writing about them, do you know, it's is it possible that they're being people are being manipulated because the more and more people that talk about it it makes it more I don't want to use the word normal, but you know, more acceptable. Whereas, you know, fifty years ago then you people would have thought differently of you for sure about talking about these things out loud.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Maybe you know, I kind of talk about it in the book too, as far as you know some people think the aliens have a uh have an agreement with governments around the world, you know, not to reveal themselves, and um, you know, uh maybe, you know, maybe uh maybe it's they're getting closer to time to be you know revealed to us all. So and maybe this is part of it, having people like me and others, you know, come forward, manipulating us as you say, to come forward and talk about it.
SPEAKER_03Before we wrap this up, I just want to mention that I'm gonna put a link to Bill's website. And it also on his website, he has a place where people who have had similar experiences they can chat about it and not uh have any fear of ridicule or anything like that. And also I will uh put a link to where you can buy uh Bill's book, Aliens Are With Us. And Bill, I just want to really thank you for being on the show today. It you know, because people that are in your position, it's it takes a bit of courage to come out and and say this to the world. So I really appreciate you uh taking that step to tell it to my listeners.
SPEAKER_01Well, thanks, Mike, for interviewing me, and you've got me more in the uh don't unpublish it uh mindset. Because I think I think it's good to get this information out there for people to know what's going on. So uh thanks for interviewing me.
SPEAKER_00Here are the Canadian Civil Aviation Anomalies for the week of March 25th through March 29th, 2024. On March 25th, the Collins Regional County Municipality Police were called after receiving a complaint from a citizen reporting that an aircraft was flying over their house at low altitude while shutting off the engine several times to conduct training maneuvers. Also reported on March 25th, a Canadian helicopter's Bell 206L flying from Yellowknife Northwest Territories was inbound to land at CYZF. At one nautical mile northwest of the field, C-GNZR declared pan-pan and advised they would be landing on a nearby lake. C-GNZR advised the tower they had landed safely off the field at 1930 Zulu time. On March 27th, TSB reported an Air Canada Boeing 777-333 ER was operating as Flight AC-1 flying from Toronto, Ontario to Hanaida Airport, Tokyo, Japan. Due to severe turbulence on planned airway, the crew requested a lower flight level from ATC. ATC was unable to accommodate request due to traffic. PanPan was declared, and special procedures for in-flight contingencies in Oceanic Airspace. After procedure and flight level change was complete, a new clearance from ATC was received and Pan Pan was canceled. Aircraft landed at RJTT safely. Finally, on March 28th, the Vulcan Alberta Airport was closed due to snow. This was the logical thing to do. No TAM was issued. There was no impact on operations, and all flights proceeded to their destinations without further incident.
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