Nelly's Magic Moments Podcast
Dave “Nelly” Nelson is a globally published veteran surf and skate photographer with countless magazine covers and spreads to his name. After spending years as a senior photographer at TransWorld Surf Magazine, Dave now shoots freelance for domestic and international publications.
Major action sports brands such as Vans, O’Neill, Fox, and Reef commonly contract Dave to shoot on location for trips locally and abroad.
As one of the best action water photographers in the world, he is usually in the right place at the right time to produce “the goods”. Dave’s relationships and mutual respect with some of the most elite athletes in the world give him access to the best action at the best spots.
Dave’s dedication to the sports of surfing and skateboarding is matched by his values as a person. A true family man, Dave cares about is daughter and wife as much as he cares for his community of Santa Cruz. A consummate role model for young athletes coming out of his hometown, Dave has helped pave the way for some of the best young talent in Nor Cal.
Nelly's Magic Moments Podcast
Episode #10: Landon McNamara
When waves meet music and friendship, magic happens. This week on Nelly's Magic Moments Podcast, we welcome Landon, a long-time friend and the mastermind behind the unforgettable North Shore concert on Waihuana Farms. We explore the vibrant North Shore of Oahu, where Landon's vision for the "Canoeing Fest" is set to revive the music scene. But it all started with a celebration of his win at the Eddie. His passion for the arts and community spirit shines through as he shares his journey of bringing together bands like Kanaka Fire and Music and Rhythm, all in the name of love and connection. Our conversation takes a deeper turn as we paddle through the emotional and spiritual journey of surfing at Waimea. It’s not just about the waves; it's about the turtles making appearances and the raw connection with nature that brings personal growth and humility. Discover the strength of vulnerability in overcoming personal struggles, as Landon opens up about his path in the recovery community. His honesty and humility stand as a beacon of hope, showing us how past experiences can transform into powerful, positive influences when supported by a close-knit community. Family and personal growth form the backbone of this episode as we reflect on the unyielding support of loved ones and influential figures. From the unwavering loyalty of the Tenore brand to the lessons learned from parents who gave everything despite having nothing, there’s a poignant exploration of resilience and unity. As we reminisce about shared memories, we also celebrate the artistic journeys that arise from life's challenges. Whether it's the thrill of the surf or the creation of music, there's an appreciation for the small things that make life beautiful, reminding us of the lasting impact of family, friends, and the stories that bind us together.
this is nelly's magic moments podcast north shore invitational 2025 mel doug.
Speaker 2:Yes, uh big guest this is a special one for me. Um, so my friend landon's here with us today here on the north shore of oahu and uh, I've known landon since he was about two or three years old and uh, we have a special relationship. Um, yeah, I really don't even know where to start because there's so much going on with uh landon these days, but uh, I just want to welcome him to the show yeah, nelly, I always show up for nelly.
Speaker 1:I'll show up for nelly I said where to start's the the key word. A lot going on with this dude right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to take it back to you know, I don't know where Landon wants to start, but starting about a year ago, shoots stuff just started popping off for my friend Landon over here and all the way up to today, like a couple days ago, he organized a big North Shore concert concert and it was kind of the first generation of something that's going to get huge and it was like one of the best concerts I've ever seen in my life had a couple bands.
Speaker 2:One from the big island came over uh kanaka fire and they opened up along with what was the other band's name.
Speaker 3:Music and Rhythm, music and Rhythm. Yeah, everyone put on a freaking really good performance. It was a good time, a really good time.
Speaker 1:It was a really good time. I think I was taken aback because you know, for me, I was over here as a kid and then my first time back in a very long time. I have family on Maui, so it's my first time here and by far the first time I've ever seen the North Shore present itself the way Nelly talks about, the way you talked about in our interview and, um, I gotta be honest, I've never been to a concert like that where it felt like just a family reunion. That was a trip.
Speaker 3:The biggest success for me is that came away with like the stars of the show were all the kids in the crowd and there was not one fight, no drama, nothing like that in itself was like wow for that amount of people to show up in it to be just all love. No one, I don't have like one account of anything, anything real shitty happening.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, all love, all nines. Okay, well, that's the. That's the. No one's ever going to figure out that passcode, but I'll let you know right now.
Speaker 2:Um, yeah, Well, that's the best thing. No one's ever going to figure out that passcode, but I'll let you know right now. Yeah, one of the things that was cool for me is I've seen that field for years and they just did your dad go down and humoed it down and just made that huge zone for the sickest.
Speaker 3:Well, that's the thing. It was all a community effort. That property is Waihuana Farms, peanut and Mele. Big shout out to them. They provided the space, provided all of their equipment to clear out the area and make it all nice for us. It was so many hands to make it all possible and it all came together within like a week. So definitely everyone collective effort made it all possible.
Speaker 1:All for the school. Was that what it's all about, or what was that? A big part of possible all for the school? Was that what it's all about, or what was that?
Speaker 3:a big part of it was for the school. Initially this was supposed to be like a. My dad wanted to throw me a celebration for winning the eddy.
Speaker 3:Because we never really did a party for that, we did a little dinner the night of but, I think it's something that's big enough that's worth like a big big party, yeah, but for me personally, like my party days are a little bit behind me, so I was like, well, in all honesty, I'm not gonna have that much fun at the party. Let's make it a concert, so then I can be, I can be on stage, let me.
Speaker 1:Let me go to work. Yeah, let me go to work.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah so I got to enjoy it from that aspect. And then I was just there's no really music scene out here on the north shore at the moment when I grew up. There's places to play music, places to watch music, for the most part just a more of a thriving music scene, and I'm pretty passionate about trying to bring that back out here because it made a difference in my life, having a place to show up and just jump up on open jump up on open mic night and like without having that outlet.
Speaker 1:I think there's a. I could tell in that crowd there was a. There's a, I guess like lack in a better word, there was a thirst for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's a thirst for that and it's and I think you know that had the feelings Like you always hear about this shit down the road. Where, when did this start Honestly, like 15 years down the road. Where, when did this start honestly, like 15 years down the floor, like and I think that felt like the start of something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's a. That's the goal is to just keep, keep it going every year. That's why we coined the name canoeing fest canoeing fest, because canoeing is the road right there, but it also just means the big k is the anui is big, so the big festival yeah so hopefully every year we can grow it a little more, get some, get some more acts out here and just make it something special for the community. That's what a start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's unreal I talked to your dad a little bit and he's like, yeah, I talked to landon and he doesn't want to charge anybody, he just wants it to be a huge community show for the north shore, like basically for all the residents, all the fans. You know have kanaka fire come over and music and rhythm music and rhythm and then just have an insane concert. They were pretty sick. Darian was dancing out there yeah and yeah, the ring of fire was just like. All of it was just yeah unbelievable.
Speaker 3:It really like. Everyone showed up with complete love. It was everybody, for everyone involved. It was not about money at all. None of us made money.
Speaker 1:We, we lost a good amount of money doing it, yeah but that was what it was all about.
Speaker 3:It wasn't wasn't for that, and so everybody that helped out, all all the handles like all love, all love.
Speaker 2:So what a celebration. Yeah, you know, as he said, it was a big celebration for the Eddie Aikau and you know such an iconic event and I know that I was here right before the Eddie and I went home and I was watching it on TV with my daughter and my wife and you know it came down to towards the end of it and I knew that you had one really good wave in your first heat and kind of a medium one, also a backup, but not like good enough of a backup.
Speaker 2:And Keala kept asking me she's like well, Lennon has a chance right, lennon has a chance, like we were, just we were in it Like.
Speaker 2:I didn't even go to the bathroom, dude, I was just like plugged in for hours. And then, you know, I saw that wave come and I saw you whip it mid-phase, just like my friend, aunt Nellie in Santa Cruz. He always did those turnaround mid-phase takeoff, late takeoffs, and I was like, oh, he's way too late, but he's going for it. I thought the same thing, kind of, and it was a two-paddle, just the latest takeoff ever, and I mean that wave tried to eat you like three or four different times, you know, and the Hawaiian gods were with you on that one and just watch you come busting out of the white water like that with your hands above your head. Bro, I had tears streaming down my face, and so did Keala, and I just want to hear what it was like from your perspective, because it was definitely.
Speaker 3:No, that I definitely wholeheartedly believe I had some help from the gods in that one. There's such a spiritual side to the surfing world, and especially out here in Hawaii, and especially if you're going to be honoring a Hawaiian surfing legend of the caliber Eddie Aikawa's out. I feel like definitely I had help from the gods in that one. And yeah, like you said, like you didn't think I was going to make it, really I didn't think I was really going to make it either. I just I don't even remember.
Speaker 3:I don't really remember making the conscious decision, like having the time to think like, oh, this is a good one, I'm going. It was more just like a light switch moment You're either on or off and something turned it on for me and I was just whipped. It did a couple of paddles, stood up. I was like, oh man, I don't think I'm going to make this, I'm pretty late. And then next thing, you know, I made the part I didn't think I was going to make them at the bottom and it's just all white. I'm just in a big white cloud, basically.
Speaker 1:And then, once it cleared, I just started screaming that's interesting, because you see the euphoria and like your hands go up and but that that's just like that, um, that it comes out of you. There's, that's not even not you screaming right, that's almost like something more it was.
Speaker 3:It was an overwhelming amount yeah and I I mean sometimes it's hard to remember exactly what goes on in those situations because everything's happening so fast.
Speaker 1:But I thought I remembered myself screaming, and then I looked back at a photo and I zoomed in on my mouth and my mouth is just wide open, like just a full soul release scream and then, like compared to other sports, there's some things that happen in a sporting event or competition. Somebody makes a shot, somebody does something. Did you know you'd want it at that moment?
Speaker 3:you know, I, like I said, it's a little hard to know, especially sometimes in surfing, and especially big wave surfing, sometimes things feel gnarlier than they are yeah and sometimes things look gnarlier than they actually were. For me it felt gnarly, but you're still. I still like, right on the ski. I was screaming. I was like, do you guys see that I'm trying to get confirmation from everyone, I was like was it?
Speaker 3:was it as gnarly as it felt? I don't know it felt gnarly, but I'm not seeing much. You know what I mean. I just know what it, what the feeling was. Um, I didn't know for sure that I won, but I mean I everyone always asks about the turtles, the turtle story, because I brought up the turtles and I had a turtle in the first seat in the second heat and even bigger turtles out there and to me, when I seen the turtle pop up, it was for some reason I had this like feeling of connection, like it was letting me know, like you just did it.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, it's on. You did what you need to do. Sit right here next to me, just in case, but you got it Good job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean just watching the whole comp. There was a lot of big waves ridden, there was a lot of gnarly wipeouts, there was a lot of gnarly stuff happened during that contest but that was the only wave that was that critical. I mean there was a couple other critical waves, like Luke's wave was huge, but he wasn't like vertical square drop in the bowl like that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:That's the difference. Out of Waimea is like it's different than any other big wave competition in the world, because it really is about like the drop. That's the main thing. That's because it's not a down the line wave. If you go down the line on one of those huge ones, you're going to end up in the rocks. The main goal is kind of no for real. You don't want to go down the line too far on those big ones. You see what happens to guys when it happens.
Speaker 2:It's like you're going to end up in a cauldron over there, right it's?
Speaker 3:even worse over there. But um, yeah, there was a lot of gnarly rides. Luke's one was like, in my opinion, a super special wave, in the sense that no one thought the contest was going to be big enough and it wasn't big enough until that wave came in and it was probably one of the biggest waves of the whole event still, yeah but to me it was another aspect of that spiritual side, like hey, it's on 100 here's the here you go and then getting to know you a little bit.
Speaker 1:It makes me think about, um, you know even you. You go by rip curl and you see the past winners. They're gonna update the wall. Update the wall. It's sort of this. Our conversation kind of made me think for the magazine interview. You think about things like in that I guess they call it like the micro, then the macro of all of it. Right, like emotionally, knowing how unique that is and knowing the names you're next to, like just expanding that a little bit, like emotionally, how's that feel?
Speaker 3:it's a trip. Um, I mean, I'm honestly still like processing all of it, because you have these things you dream about your entire life and you you feel like, once it happens, like you don't know what it's going to be like once it happens.
Speaker 3:But you build it up to where it's like your whole, entire. Everything's going to change. You know what I mean and in a sense it does. I get to live with that honor and that pride forever and no one can take that away from me. But then there's the flip side of it Like okay, wow, I did it, now it's done. Like I'm still me, doesn't fix all the broken pieces. You know what I mean. Like you, yeah, you still gotta like, even just on the car ride over here, I talk to myself in the car like 24 7, that's my time alone. And like I've always told myself and I want to stick to it like the more I get, the more I need to give. You know what I mean. So it's like yeah.
Speaker 3:I got a lot right now. It's not done. You don't end at getting it. The true hero's journey is the full circle giving it back.
Speaker 2:One of my favorite things about you, Landon, is you've always been a giver. You know what I mean, and it's not all about you. You have a ton of humility, and some of the words that I hear you speak sometimes is just like poetic and I don't even know the word for it, but it's definitely since you were a little boy I've heard you say some stuff that I still remember.
Speaker 3:Nelly's been around for the good and the bad. Nelly's my guy. A lot of people don't know too of bad now he's my guy. A lot of a lot of people don't know too like he's. He's a big part of my journey of over this last year of overcoming the, the like addictions and stuff like that that was holding me back in the past. Now he's always been been down to help me out and whatnot, but I wasn't really able to receive that help or willing to receive that help until this last year. But one main thing that's stuck in my head through this whole thing is I was on. He was driving me to like one of our whatever you down if I'd talk openly about this yeah, super open.
Speaker 3:yeah, he was driving me to like our my first meeting, going back to trying to get clean again, and he was we're talking in the car and he was just expressing to me how like his whole life changed within like a year when he decided to make these changes and whatnot. And he's like I promise you like your whole life's going to change in a year If you stick to this like I know it. I know who you are.
Speaker 2:I know everything about you. Yeah, like give it a year.
Speaker 3:give I know everything about you. Yeah, like, give it a year, give it a year and I promise you your whole life's going to change. And that was literally a week from a year of sobriety and I won the contest. And that just sticks in my head Having somebody to believe in you and help you out along the way is like so freaking, so pivotal, you know what I mean it is. And Nelly's one of those people in my life. It's just amazing.
Speaker 1:And Nelly, circling right to that and staying on that, when you say you're emotional, holding it back, is that the shit going to your head as he's dropping, as basically his arms are going up? Is it all at once you're thinking of all that shit?
Speaker 2:I mean so much. That's such a loaded question, that's what I do but, um, yeah, even before that I had talked to landon, even a month or two before that, and it was just like hearing his voice and everything he had to say. It was so apparent that he, he gets it and he's. You can just hear the humility in his voice and, like the what's the word? I'm looking for Anyway yeah, when his arms came up over his head, and then afterwards he called me a couple of days later.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like I'm not even going to bar, I'm not even going to bother Landon, you know what I mean. I know what he's going through right now. Yeah, and it's worldwide press interviews, podcasts like this, wsl, like you name it, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I'm not going to bother him. And then a couple of days later, he called me and he's like hey, nelly, he's like, I just want to let you know I'm in that spot, that exact same spot. I drove right here to the spot where you told me my whole life's gonna change, and that was like one of the best phone calls I've ever had in my whole entire life.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean and and another thing I have to say on that before I forget, because my memory is very short. Um, the whole recovery community is, like I mean landon's our poster child right now, and that doesn't mean that, like you know, there's still anonymity in that but, totally internally, like the first day when I got here to the north shore, I saw a bunch of people that we go to meetings with and they're like fucking landed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It was just like yeah it's just such a beautiful thing. You know, cause most of my friends are in recovery, most of my tightest friends these days, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Um, and they're the people who I can count on the most you know, on the most you know. They're the ones who I ask for rides to the airport. They're the ones I ask to ride to watch my dogs when I'm gone. They're the ones they're reliable and they're straightforward and pure it's.
Speaker 1:It makes me think about it. Like we've all had thing about getting older is you've had friends that have if, friends that have not made it out, friends that have made it. But one of the common conversations you have is like and I always talked about this with my friends is you don't want to talk about it because for some reason you're associating your past actions with some shame. But the words that when you say it out loud, like he just did, it's actually the thing about. You're saying these words and and it's kind of coming out the energy of shame. But what it actually is when you speak about like that, it it's hope. It's hope for somebody else. It's as ballsy as dropping in on that wave, talking about it out loud, not because people are going to be like oh, I think differently about him, it's because there's going to be one kid or somebody right now on the edge and they're going to hear that and they're going to be like that dude.
Speaker 1:That dude was vulnerable, that dude was in a, in a low point. Um, there, there's no, it's a tremendous value.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I've kind of came to the realization like cause, yeah, there is a stigma behind it and whatnot. But the people that it might rub the wrong way to, where maybe they're not going to want to work with me because of my past or because of me being open about this. It's like I could care less. You know know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I don't really want to work with you anyway. I really want to work with you anyway.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean exactly I know where my intentions lie and it's like one of the most beautiful things in life is when you can turn a negative and flip it into a positive.
Speaker 3:You know so not to let all of that past stuff be in vain yeah hopefully flip it into a positive outcome, like being able to be like hey, like I've been in that hole, I'm gonna jump in there with you and help you get out, because I got out and it ends up being you right, because I think in when we talked before, you got to a point that no one wanted to work with you because you were fucked up.
Speaker 1:And if no one wants to work with you because you're sober and talking about it, then who the fuck are they?
Speaker 3:yeah because the reality is, and that just leaves you in the middle yeah, another realization is like um, at this point, once you get far enough into like the other end of it. Yeah, I've given so many people so much ammunition to use against me from past actions and things I've done, but at this point where I'm at, if you're going to hold that against me at this moment, that's a reflection of you, not a reflection of me anymore.
Speaker 2:That's how you know how much people love you. You know what I mean, because it's like I know who your inner circle is and we all love you so much and we always have and the fact that you have a group of people that close, that are willing to forgive you and move on, and now we get to watch you in your ultimate journey succeeding. And you know we haven't even delved into the music yet. You know, I mean it's just like, uh, it's just amazing, it's amazing, amazing. You know what I mean. I want to hear a little bit about, like, your relationship with Pat Tenore and then a little bit about your relationship with your pops, because I know your dad has always been your biggest fan and also one of your biggest supporters.
Speaker 3:For sure, supporters for sure. Well, I mean so for Pat. He's probably one of my also biggest supporters and somebody who could have cut me off a long time ago. I don't think people realize how deep those that relationship goes as well. Like he's seen me in in the the worst. He's seen the worst of me. You know what I mean and he but he's always seen the light in me. So definitely a special person that I've looked towards for guidance and whatnot.
Speaker 3:But it it also got to a. It got to a point with him and with everyone during the end there where I was like, hey, like we love you, but figure it out, you know, like we can only love you so much like we're here when you're ready. But yeah, I, he picked me up with Ruka when, when he was still still um the head over there at Ruka and whatnot and him and Brophy. I've always been huge supporters of me and everyone over there. So it was natural for me when he left Ruka. It was a no-brainer.
Speaker 3:I was never really with Ruka. In a sense I was with Pat. So wherever he went, I went. So I'm really stoked that he's got Tenori going and to be a part of it from the ground up. I was there with him before they even had a name for the new brand, before there was a building, before there was anything, before they even had a name for the new brand, before there was a building, before there was anything. I'm loyal to my people that are loyal to me, and it's like it's not about the money, it's about the dream. You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean and supporting the people that support me. So ride or die for Pat for sure, because he's been there for me.
Speaker 2:And Makai's in the family as well too. On to the way right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, makai, it's a whole family affair and that's the difference. You know what I mean. It truly is more of a community family feel. I mean, yeah, just grateful to have people. He's one of the people that I value as like someone who has a tremendous amount of knowledge, obviously, but also that can connect the dots that other people really can't, or yeah don't really don't really see.
Speaker 3:I guess um, very cool, yeah, I mean I I got a lot I could could say on that relationship, but um, just grateful to have people like him in my corner, definitely one of my top five men in my life, and then another one of my or the top man in my life is my dad, for sure. Besides that, there's a I have a core circle of a few men in my life where I'm like these are my guys, I know. If I have a core circle of a few men in my life where I'm like these are my guys, I know. If I have any questions or if I just need to learn something that I don't know, these are the guys to learn it from. Or if I need some support, these are my people. That's a crew.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's a crew. So trippy thing too is like um, you, you, we all, we all kind of have that, that pattern where we're looking for influencers, we're looking for um, I call them tethers like tethers to the planet. Like you know, those can be men, could be women. A lot of times the male figures in our life are what it is. But the thing for you is, as you're figuring this out and you're kind of figuring this out and finding your sobriety and finding your balance, you're also clearly. You're also clearly you're somebody's guy, you're the dad. I mean, that's the trippy part about as we kind of progress and you have a family. Now you're going to be the one that needs to be there. You need to be a tether. You're looking for tethers for a while because you're just living your life, surfing, having music, and all of a sudden you're looking around and you're like, wait, I'm the guy.
Speaker 3:That's another. I say there's a lot realization. Another reason because I've been having a lot of realization realizations over this last year. But yeah, one of them that stuck out in my head is like I needed all. I had a lot of people to lean on. You know what I mean and at a certain point in your life, you, you need those people to lean on, you need those rocks, but then it's your duty to become that rock 100 for other people to lean on, you know, um.
Speaker 3:So I'm just trying to be that rock. I got a, I got a son. Now I got a family. I got, um, a beautiful partner and a lot of good friends and just a lot of love in my life and I, my dad, has been like just the most solid rock for our family and I want to get to a point to where I'm like dad, no worries, I got this, it's he's still doing more for me than I do for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, right I.
Speaker 3:I want to get to a point where I'm like dad, I got you.
Speaker 1:It's the best feeling, there's no doubt yeah, it's the best feelings when you kind of feel like, uh, you know that, that you can, you know, kind of have that, that independence and sort of. Again, you got to kind of they say in sports, you got to beat the guy to be the guy, right. That's sort of that saying in sports and it's not the same like in, you know, father-son relationship, when you're a father-son and you know, and then you've got a son. It either, you know, do you feel pressured, do you feel overwhelmed by that responsibility, or are you just down. Do you feel pressured, do you feel overwhelmed by that responsibility, or are you just down with it right now?
Speaker 3:I'm just learning it. You know, like I've been real blessed with the fact that, like I've had so much taken care of for me in my life, whenever I've had any sort of issue, I've always had somebody that I could go to for it. It's never been a lack of support, it's been a lack of my willingness to accept that support and learn from it and whatnot. So the pressure, it's not so much pressure as much as it's like, um, just a lot to learn, yeah yeah, it's, they don't.
Speaker 1:They don't give you a playbook yeah they don't give you a, you don't have a kid, and then they're like all right, here's. Here's a youtube video on how to do it, because every kid's different, every relationship with who brought that kid in the world's different, and then their environment out here has variables you know, make it fucking weird for them to grow up.
Speaker 1:But it's, um, it's uh, I always think it's, it's the of all the things work and all those things. It's the, it's the. It's the highest level responsibility that you'll ever have. Um, you know, you know and it but it also kind of like 10 times offers you rewards of any other business opportunity. You know that you think of it that way and that that's kind of what kids end up being.
Speaker 2:It's another really cool thing that I love about Landon's he's got a really close family right. You know he's super, super close with his mom also. Um, but one of my favorite things is his crew. Landon's got a crew, you know. I mean there's luke shepardson, micah moniz, ayala stewart. I mean keep going, landon. Who else am I missing?
Speaker 3:you know there's a cheeseburger kalah, grace like anyways there's yeah and makai, there's a solid group of at least like 30 of us anyway.
Speaker 2:Anyway, there's a really tight yeah, knit crew of north shore boys that landon's been friends with his whole life yeah right. Well, liam raised most of those kids you know, I mean, and I watched it personally. Liam would bring home 10 plate lunches, spread them out on the counter and these kids would come in just raw just straight off, straight out of the water, just eat all the food.
Speaker 2:And then you know, they were all like learning how to do chores and shit, and so they'd clean the whole kitchen and make it all crip for brandy and and uh, you know, or at least most of the time, some of the time probably not, but you know um, we definitely had a safe place for everyone to freaking just be kids.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of freedom as well, which we all got into various amounts of trouble with that freedom, but we always had a place to go to if we needed. If anyone needed boards, anyone needed an open fridge, whatever. My dad and my mom provided that at our house.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my dad and my mom provided that at our house and yeah, you know, a lot, of, a lot of crazy stuff came through our house over those years. A lot of, a lot of gnarly stuff we all got into because it was more so like um, a lot of freedom with it and we were just a bunch of gnarly kids. But yeah, my, my dad, what people, a lot of people don't know like and it's cool now because I see over this last year he's getting out there and getting his story out and whatnot.
Speaker 3:But yeah him and my uncle came over here like dirt poor, like the kind like eating out a dumpster, kind poor, and then they made it, made it and found success because they're hustlers, and made it happen and whatnot, and for him to not have anything and then have a lot to give, he like overgave it to us.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3:He wanted to give us everything that he didn't have.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:They all.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah really beautiful thing.
Speaker 3:But along with that came like we're all learning. You know what I mean. He was still learning how to be, be a, be a father, with all this stuff to give as well. Maybe sometimes he gave us a little bit too much and a little bit too much freedom, but it all worked out in the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does, it does. And that's another thing, like on that same line that you talk about is we're talking about the heavier part of it. But the minute that you basically have a kid, I, I personally you look at your parents a different way because and I think it's mostly a little bit more you just look at them in a different way because they were just what they were for the longest period of time. But then now you have a kid and as they get to be older and go through it, you start kind of like putting your little photographs of your life.
Speaker 1:And the hardest thing for me to do is I had such a high esteem for my parents in the proper way, but once I had a kid I realized they had me when my mom and dad had me when they were 20 and 19. And so you start thinking about your life at 20 and 19. But for me they were always an authority figure, they were always it. But you realize they were just learning. There's no fucking way they knew at 21 years old how to raise two kids. But they do. And even even liam the you never would think he'd be anything but knowing what he's doing. But even hearing that story you don't yeah, I mean, there's they.
Speaker 3:they need to make a movie on their life. Like people talk about, like there's word out, like they should make a movie on their life. People talk about, like there's word out, like they should make a movie about my journey, like my dad and my uncle's journey is 10 times gnarlier you know what. I mean Like there's a lot there, but those guys got so much to give back because they know what it means to not have shit.
Speaker 1:You stay in contact with your uncle pretty regular.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's cool because after this, like we're all family you know what I mean and through family and everyone's lives, like we'll get our. There's been different, um, different disconnects over time and whatnot, but through this whole eddie experience, like it was the first time in a long time where all of us were like just one mission let's be there for me and let's make this happen. So my uncle like showed up with so much support and so much love and he was, he was down there like sit in the shade here, let me massage you.
Speaker 1:This is what we're going to do. We're going to use that board. Eat this. No, no.
Speaker 3:It was like super special. It was like super special. And then I think for my dad to see how important and special that was for me like it rekindled their relation. Not that there was ever like a hate there, but there was like just a disconnect.
Speaker 1:Right life, yeah, life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so through this whole experience, all of us have gotten a lot closer, because it's like man, it's amazing how far everyone has come and it's like it'll be for all of us to do this semi on our own. Imagine what we can all do when we come together.
Speaker 1:There's like a glow on that family right now. There's no doubt about it. You can't get away. You look at a three-year window for a million different reasons and there's a lot of positive things going on. Um, and I don't know. It has almost like a kinetic energy for your family right now yeah, I just really would like to see it.
Speaker 3:Just I just know what we could all do together keep blossoming yeah, right now it seems like it's happening. You know we're all we've all supported each other from, but now it's like we're all way more closely supporting each other now.
Speaker 2:It was so cool the other night to watch just the energy at the show because your mom looked so happy and she's up there dancing with you and singing, and then you know seeing Darian in her zone and in her moment and she's such an incredible dancer and just the whole family, you know. I mean and and then, on that same note, I remember your dad being one of the gnarly guys at yma. Yeah, garrett was gnarly out there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he charged it and and uh, to see him in your corner, to have him in your corner, has got to be like no, I was real special because I've always idolized him as like he's an OG in my opinion for where big wave surfing is right now, and just no gnarlier charger than him. Those guys are like built differently than big wave surfers are now. I'm not like guys are gnarly and pulling off gnarly stuff now, but like my uncle was chasing every purple blob around the entire world for a long time and yeah when he'd show up like he's freaking crazy.
Speaker 3:He's like he wants to eat crap. You know what? I mean he's like. I don't think he feels good unless he like knows like yeah he used to tell me that was like his funnest funnest part, like oh, it's so fun getting sucked out and like I just re-watched that.
Speaker 2:I re-watched that wave of him that, uh, dame k aloha towed him into at jaws and that had to have been one of the first crazy deep barrels, right? I mean, I still think that was the first one I ever saw I think it's the gnarliest barrel in history.
Speaker 3:Still, I look and I try to find better barrels than that. I really don't think there is one yet. I remember being at my auntie's house oh no, it wasn't that day, it was a different day. But that same winter because we won the towing event that year over there and um, I just been been able to see his whole journey from a very um close place because I was always around, because his son and daughter are my cousins, ari and Titus, and um, we're always been spending a lot of time together as kids. I think one of the most inspiring parts of his story is, like I remember from a real young age him always talking about 100-foot wave, finding a 100-foot wave, and it took him until he was 52 years old and did it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like just keep going.
Speaker 1:What did you think of that show from a family standpoint? I mean, clearly, outside it's amazing because it's produced for guys like me. But what do you think of that show from a family standpoint? I mean, clearly, outside it's amazing because it's just, it's produced for guys like me. But what do you think from the inside, looking at that?
Speaker 3:I mean I've, only I haven't watched all of it. I've watched a few episodes and whatnot, because I'm weird in the sense, like even for me, like, like I probably will never watch this podcast. You know what I mean I don't watch I get it I don't watch things on myself because I get like weirded out for some reason yeah and I know the story from the inside out, um, but the stuff that I did see about it it's cool, you know, I just think.
Speaker 3:I think it's really cool that the mcnamara name is able to be honored in a sense of like yeah getting out to the world on a big scale like that, because there is a really amazing story there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause I watch every episode and it just what you were saying a few minutes ago made me think about it. Watching that, I think there's there's two schools of thought, you know, for what you guys do in particularly like Garrett. You're either missing a piece or you have a piece that other people don't have to do what he does, and you can go to two different like thought processes. One of them is you're missing some on off button that other people have that make you do that, or you have a little something extra as far as your ability to process um, risk, reward, things like that um, but in my mind, looking at him, it comes off so overwhelmingly like um, that dude I gotta be honest, he comes straight off is like the things he does, the way he talks about it's crazy, like like it's. It's just like this, the. So here's what's presented to you and here it's all all the. You know analytics would say don't do it yeah and he just keeps doing it he's I've.
Speaker 3:He literally is built different inside of his brain, like he gets off on that stuff yeah, it's like yeah I almost died, that was so sick.
Speaker 1:Exactly I went to a different dimension. Did you watch that now? Did you watch hundred foot wave? A little bit of it, oh yeah, yeah oh yeah, how could he not?
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what I live for surfing. So if there's anything on surfing and now I know I watched the, yeah, I watched every episode. You know, yeah, what was your take.
Speaker 1:Did you think overall it was pretty good representation, pretty raw? Or was it just produced for us telling them when you're, you're, you know, like guys like me, just to enter entertainment? Was it a pretty good look into that lifestyle?
Speaker 2:Well, I've never been to Nazare. Yeah, so it was very interesting to me. But, um, but also, yeah, it was very real, you know. I mean it's like those guys are risking their lives and it was. You know they. They have all this stuff on wax, they've documented it all, so they get all the drama in there too, you know, like maya's wave when she went down, and and the guy andrew cody that comes over from england or ireland or whatever, like all those stories are great, you know I mean I live for that that's what we're doing right now.
Speaker 1:I mean, I think that's the nature of it is like um, I'm not, I'm not shitting on anything. I've had different careers, but you can be a steel worker for 40 years. There's gonna be one or two stories, but there's not necessarily a culture of it. You guys have an entire culture of it that's what I do.
Speaker 3:Think that because I am going to be a lot more closely involved in the end of season three and and the whole of season four moving into 100 foot wave, just makes more sense after all of this and whatnot, so, and through talking with the producer on it, whatnot. It's like it's really about the stories behind the big wave. You know what I mean, and that is special because it it's. We're just so used to seeing the photo in the magazine or on instagram or whatever and we're like oh, that's crazy, but what's really crazy?
Speaker 1:about.
Speaker 3:It is everything that like everything that leads up to it. That's, that's the real story that's it.
Speaker 1:And yeah, it's the. I call it the anthony bourdain part, like it's like, and not to give him, but, but just the way. Not the dude himself, but the production of his parts unknown is lingering in a culture the stories. So an event happens, but it's really the human stories behind it, and actually that's the genius of 100 Foot Wave is you turn that camera on and there's unexpected things happen in the midst of filming that are the best parts of the filming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean because we're having a guy film with me a couple days a week and I was like, oh like, what do I do?
Speaker 1:just literally don't do anything. That's exactly it.
Speaker 3:That's exactly it, exactly whatever you'd be doing on that day. Don't turn it up, don't turn it down, just yeah, whatever you're gonna do I always.
Speaker 1:I always give the example of um in doubt from production value. The one I think about is deadliest catch those fuckers aren't doing anything other than working what they're doing yeah and it's the number one, like you know, real life documentary show on the planet and all they're fishing yeah they're just, they did, they're just fishing that's why I love lannon's story, so yeah so much is because, first of all, I followed, followed him since I was a little, since he was a little kid.
Speaker 2:You know, what I mean. But then the behind the, the behind the scenes of Landon's story is even better than the story Sometimes you know what I? Mean, like I remember his brother McKay was in, like the semifinals of the pipe masters or what which contest was it. I think it was the.
Speaker 3:HIC or the pipe masters or what which contest was it? I think it was the hic or the pipe trials would have been more when he got second and possibly yeah.
Speaker 2:So anyway it was he got an interference and there was, like I don't know what, eight minutes left.
Speaker 2:He went and sat out the back at like second reef pipe and just sat out there and he was like pissed, you could tell, and there was zero chance that he was going to make it through this heat unless he got a perfect 10 and the biggest wave of the whole contest came through and he took the drop super late and just packed it backside and got spit out so gnarly and he did it and he made the finals and it was just like what the hell it was one of my favorite stories. Yeah, until landon.
Speaker 1:Until landon wins daddy and it and he made the finals and it was just like what the hell? It was one of my favorite stories, yeah.
Speaker 2:Until Landon. Until Landon Wins daddy, and it's like all in the family, you know what I mean. And there's Landon's dad.
Speaker 1:And the common theme of the lesson here is don't be afraid to be late. Yeah Right, don't be afraid to be late, you're always on time.
Speaker 3:Yep If you believe in God's plan, I mean show up, suit up and show up, but you're right where you need to be at the end of the day, so we definitely need to touch base on your music career a little bit here, since we haven't really other than the concert, so I missed you.
Speaker 2:At Cali Roots you played what was it Six, seven years ago? Yeah, something like that, and then not sure what happened, but they invited you back this year? Yes, and I am so excited for that show because, uh, I know I'll be up there front and center, but, um, tell us a little bit about what's going on. I know you're playing red rocks, right, are you playing?
Speaker 3:yeah, I got, I got a good amount of festivals planned out for this year so far and we're still moving forward. I'm booking, booking some more stuff. But yeah, music has always been um super symbiotic working together with surfing for me, but it's kind of. For me, surfing is more of a selfish pursuit and then music can be a little bit more of a selfless pursuit.
Speaker 3:I've seen the power of music and whatnot and I've always idolized guys like Bob Marley and Jimi Hendrix and whatnot, bigger than their music, the movement behind it. I guess I mean that's originally why I started music was I genuinely was like I can make some sort of a difference. You know what I mean. I can do something cool. This is powerful Like. These guys are real and they're making real movement. So it really started from a genuine place and throughout the journey of it, it's taken on different forms and got lost and refound and whatnot, and had to figure myself out. But now I feel like I'm truly back to the pure place of like. I just want to like play around the world for as many people as possible and hopefully like elevate the vibe along the way. Do? I don't know exactly what that all looks like I'm, but I'm passionate about it, passionate about a lot of stuff and I want to um use my music as a tool to just do some good things.
Speaker 1:I guess, um, positive vibes, positive vibes, yeah, figuring, figuring that all out, but um, I talked to you, um, uh, three days before the west coast tour, um, and there was some nerves. I think you hadn't been out there. I remember talking to you a little bit. It was like you weren't. I think you said, literally, I'm not sure people are going to show up. You know that. So on the back end of it now, how was that tour and what's your vibe?
Speaker 3:yeah, it was really good to go back out on the road and like see that people are still 100 percent supporters and like stoked, stoked to show up and have a good time with me because, I mean, I'm at the end of the day, I'm pretty, I carry a pot, I carry a confident look, but in my head I'm pretty insecure.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean like just, I'm a human, you know what I mean, and I I do want that validation of like what I'm, what I'm doing is good yeah, there's, yeah, there's, no doubt I mean that's the whole thing about playing live for me is it's a full-on energy exchange.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like I get into it when I see people getting into it, like I don't. It's, it's a beautiful relationship there and whatnot and I feed off of that. So I was insecure going into that run because I was like I don't know if anyone's gonna show up. I haven't played in a while. I haven't really put out that much music. I see what happens. But everyone showed up with a lot of support. We sold out almost every show and it.
Speaker 2:I left that tour with like a newfound confidence again of like okay, like there's something here and I'm gonna keep, keep at it yeah, when you say you haven't put out that much music, you mean recently, right, because it's like you've put out a ton of music well, yeah, I mean I put out a good amount of music, but for I had the first two albums and I kind of rode that wave of those songs for like six or seven years before I started putting out anything else.
Speaker 3:And then the other stuff I put out was a collaborative project as well, so it wasn't just solely me. But my whole music journey has been a really interesting one as well, because, um, I had a lot of funky stuff happen with um, with my ability to even perform, like. I had gnarly vocal trips where I couldn't even really speak for a few years, like that's a whole nother story. That threw me in a loop, but basically my confidence just got rocked through this corridor, I was like I don't.
Speaker 3:To his corridor. I was like I don't. Yeah, anyway, definitely refining that confidence now where I'm like it's go time. And now I'm in a place where before I'd go on tour and I'd come back in debt because, not because the money wasn't all right, but because I was just run myself into the rocks before I even made myself home, you know, and I just wasn't in a place to where I could even like people didn't even want to take me on tours because I was just that gnarly, you know, like I would do.
Speaker 2:I know the tour I did with you was pretty gnarly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was bad. I was really like, honestly, like one day we're going to have to get into all of that stuff, because I don't even remember a lot of the stuff. Even today, like or the other day, like I'm happy I have people that have been around for all of it because I'll hear stuff I'm like, oh, I do not remember any of that, but yeah, I understand I'll take your word for it you put some really good shows on and you were opening for steel pulse yeah and he put they put some really good shows on, but after the show was the gnarly part.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the first few years of it, whatever I got away with it while still doing some good performances and whatnot. But during the end there I was just blowing it from every aspect. And now I'm really taking care of myself and really stoked to like put my best foot forward and give it a good go, because I've never really nurtured it you know what I mean found pretty good success right off the bat and didn't know how to really um value that yeah, I was just like oh, this is how it goes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:But no, it's not how it goes, like I had a lot of big blessings right off the bat yeah, I didn't know how to value them, and that's kind of how my whole journey has been in life. It's like I have to really run myself to the end of these experiences to realize how special they are.
Speaker 1:You almost got to see it all the way through.
Speaker 3:Yeah, see it all the way through. And then I'm happy it went down, how it all went down, because I really feel like if I would have got to the heights where I feel like I was going to right off the bat, I would have just turned into a douchebag, like without riding myself into the rocks like how I did, because now I'm like so grateful for all of it you know what I mean. And at that time in my life I was just like oh, we're rock stars, bro, forget whatever. Now I'm like no, this is something to nurture and like you got something special, take care of it and give it what it.
Speaker 3:Give it the value it's worth.
Speaker 2:Don't just fuck it all off.
Speaker 3:How the?
Speaker 2:heck, do you make time to write new music? I mean, I know what your life is entailing and what you're a very sought-after person right now Is there time to write new music right now?
Speaker 3:There is for sure. It's funny because I'm on either side of the spectrum. I'm either really wanting to be around my people and my friends or I want to be completely alone.
Speaker 3:And it's when I'm alone when I get into songwriting and whatnot, so I cannot force it. It comes in waves when it's time. It's time. It's all about experiences for me. So when I'm loaded up on emotion, whether it's good or bad, I have to be feeling a certain type of way about something for value to come through in my lyrics, I guess to where it's just all based off of life.
Speaker 1:No doubt, and it's funny, the reward for sort of making it through to the other side and having sort of a clear head on it is it's all. Basically all of those experiences are potential. I guess. To put it in the most basic way, there are potential lyrics. Your life is always lyric.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, it's a matter of how does it kind of come. And then there's people that say you know, we're whatever your belief is, there's no getting away from, we're just energy. That say you know we're whatever your belief is, there's no getting away from, we're just energy. And I think there's a lot of this thing where we're just going on a straight A to B line. You can't not be Landon and you're expressing energy. You do it in different ways, maybe it's surfing, maybe it's raising a kid and maybe it's performing at a park and um, but you're expressing. And then the last one I always think about it for my when I met you and I'm like I said, I was a fan before I met you as far but the lyrics, um, you know the. There's a rawness and a vulnerability from the get-go, you know, for whatever, wherever you were. When you started writing, I think you said at what age did you kind of start putting lyrics together?
Speaker 1:probably on like 15, 16 pretty deep shit for a 15 year old. So I don't know if it's the island, I don't know if it's you, know you're. Whatever.
Speaker 1:Everybody gets kind of some credit, or not but, it was some pretty deep lyrics from the beginning, but the questions, this is that, um, the last part of like this human species things we do is we live. We're different from other animals because we create narratives, we carry narrative stories. Stories are what kind of you know, separate us and it's it's nice that you can kind of be a storyteller, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, that's definitely what it is. It's a storytelling of my experiences and I think something special about because I always think about this as like trying to revisit the formulas of like the times where I personally feel like where I was more firing on all cylinders when it comes to music, and one of the special ones was yeah, yeah, I do need to be around my people and around my friends and they get me fired up.
Speaker 3:you know what I mean? It's like, if you're passionate about this, like yeah, I'm passionate about it too, and it's sometimes it's as much as like one-liners, like guys out here we love to talk shit you know what I mean and like one, one liner will spark a whole song you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So I I get out in the world, I fill up my cup and then I go away and put it in the music yeah, I love it that's one of the things that I love about your albums is they're all so different from the one before, you know, I mean, and it's like in a beautiful way, you, you know, yeah, and each and every album, the more I listen to it, the more I hear and the more there is meaning and stories behind the lyrics, and it's just, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know there's, yeah, and I think it's funny because then you get to know you a little bit more and sometimes you think there's a song that feels like it's a little bit militant and then you kind of realize, oh shit, it's not so much militant, taking down the system. You didn't know what the fuck was going on, like you were writing from a position of like what's happening in this world right now, and that's not when you first hear it on spotify. You, you, you have an impression of what you think that song is and I still will never know, I'll never know what was in your head. But you're like, five years later, you're like, oh shit, I might have read that wrong.
Speaker 3:It's funny because even me too, I'll listen back to songs from the past and I'm like they only make sense now. I'm like, oh, it's weird. I think I've seen a thing from Bob Dylan or whatnot. They're asking him about, asking him about his lyrics, and they're like, oh, where did it come from?
Speaker 1:And he's like I don't fucking know, it wasn't, it wasn't me. You know, it was like he's, like he had like read off his series.
Speaker 3:He's like how did I come up with that? I don't know, that wasn't me you know it's almost like I do, feel like you're receiving, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some points. And well, yeah, I know that all of santa cruz is like some of your biggest fans. You know, I mean I'll be cruising pleasure point or steamer lane and I'll hear it just blasting out of someone's truck. You know, I mean, whether it's flea or sean dollar, pete mall, like everybody, everybody I know actually has your album on repeat or one of your albums on repeat, and um actually has your album on repeat, or one of your albums on repeat and um, we got the last of this last of the cds, guys got guys got the cds stuck in their car.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, no one's got the cds, no more. A lot of guys that I think we're right on the cusp of that first album the cd era yeah, that first album was right when CDs stopped really being made. So it's literally like that was the last CD they put in their car, so some guys are just blasting them from that time and that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2:I heard it blasting when I was over in Kauai too. I was cruising with my friend Boulder and we were down. I forget what the name of the beach was. It was over on the North Shore, near Kilauea. Anyway, guys pulled up and they were blasting, landing on the beach. They were four-wheeling on the beach and it was like so sick because we were surfing there and just kicking it and it was just like wow, these guys blasting landing on the beach.
Speaker 3:That's what makes it special to me. It's where Titus lives.
Speaker 2:What's the name of that wave? Titus lives over there. It starts with an I or something. Anyway, my memory's shot.
Speaker 3:Me too, me too, no to me. It gets me more stoked out when I see actually my people stoked on the music. It means more to me than anything else, because at the end of the day, growing up here, you just always want to make your people proud. I guess I do. When I hear people from the community or from my circle listening to music, I'm like it makes me know. Okay, it must be an all right representation of what I'm trying to express, because if they're resonating with it, then then it's real.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's a special feeling. And that comes across just so you know that comes across that it's pure.
Speaker 2:You know you're not looking to get famous, you're not looking for money. Obviously that's a big jump. It's not that you don't want that, but it's not. It's not the first priority for you. I try to get a hold of you and I'm just like shit. Landon doesn't even know where his phone's at.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, landon cruises with his bare feet every day. He's just cruising Tarzan style. You know what I mean. He's not a slave to his cell phone.
Speaker 3:That's the full circle journey, too, is like with the music it's started from such a pure place and then it turned into not so maybe pure of a place at some points, because you start realizing like, oh, this is, there's money to be made and there's success to be had, and suddenly I'm feeling like I'm the shit and whatnot. Yeah, but then full circle back. Now I'm like man at the end of the day. I already got a place to rest my head, I got a family that loves me and whatnot. Like god, I the intentions feel pure again towards like I just want to want to make some stuff that feels good and sounds good yeah, yeah I don't know just not overthink it as much Like.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think what we do is there's um, and you and I we might've talked about this, I can't remember but there's this uh uh book called the drunkard's walk and the guy basically talks about um, you gotta be careful about, like, making permanent decisions about extremes. So an extreme would be in the high, would be winning the Eddie. An extreme low would be, basically, you know, six years ago, when you're at the bottom right, neither of those things are you. What he talks about is you basically need to pay attention to the medium line, because if you think every day is going to be winning the Eddie, it's not that.
Speaker 3:And you're going to be fucking bummed 100%.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. And in the middle line is what you're saying, right? Who hovers in the middle line? Your 30 crew, your family, your kid, your wife? And so the lesson in the Drunkard's Walk. It's a physicist that writes the book. What he's really saying is don't think it's always going to be as good as the Yeti, don't think it's always going to be rock bottom, Because there's shame at the bottom and there's unexpected. You know you have unrealistic expectations at the top.
Speaker 3:But expectations at the top, yeah, but if you live in that middle, then you're you're a happy person. 100 that's been a real eye-opening part of this whole journey is like you have to be able to find the beauty in the small things, because, yeah, it's not. You think, we think about achieving all these things and life's gonna be what it is when you achieve it. That's fucking bullshit.
Speaker 3:It is it's going to be the same as it is right now, and if you cannot value what's in front of you right now, you're not going to suddenly be able to value it more once this happens.
Speaker 2:That's it, dude, it's my favorite saying just for today, you know, I mean it's like live for today, that's it. Don't be looking forward to what it's going to be like a month from now when you finally get to do this or that. It's like if you're living in today all the time, you have a way better chance that's exactly happy, you know?
Speaker 2:I mean, and I have one more thing to say and that, like what I was just saying about you and how you live, and it's one of my favorite things about coming to Hawaii is because I leave everything behind and I get over here.
Speaker 2:I have a camera, I have a skateboard, I have a bunch of surfboards and I have my board shorts and my family and that's it. And like I literally have nothing here, I have a container house. I live up there and we just kind of like cruise and then I go home to Santa Cruz and I like look at all this shit that I've acquired over my 57 years of being alive and I'm like fuck, what was I doing?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like what am I doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need to get rid of all this stuff. It's like I don't need it.
Speaker 1:There's no doubt.
Speaker 2:There's no doubt, and that's what you've always been good at, you know what I mean. You just like you know where your boards are at. They're in the board rack. You know what I mean, and it's like you know where your guitar is at.
Speaker 1:There's one of the original human cultures and civilizations was like in Southeast Africa and it's the San people. And one thing that's carried through all of these years of the human culture is they sort of have two thoughts. There's two paths to prosperity. So if you think prosperity is a little bench, you want to get to. One of them is legit accumulating wealth, like accumulating things, you can get to prosperity. The other one is wanting less and you get to the same bench. You can sit at that same bench of total happiness, total prosperity.
Speaker 1:What they say and that's a butcher, that's not what they, but that's the rough translation is you can do it, you know. But it doesn't mean that one path is more than the other. The problem with the one of accumulating it is you're probably less equipped If you get to that bench with all the things. It's not going to fix you on your way. Accumulating things doesn't fix you or make you a better human, but the wanting less in generally of each day of people is it's kind of the shit. Yeah, it's, it's a simple way to live, like you just said.
Speaker 2:It's like that's that's how kanaka fire started their fucking their show the other night yeah it's like all possessions make you rich, like whatever that quote from bob marley and it was just like the most perfect life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, exactly I mean, I just want to. I want to be able to travel, I want to have a place for my family to live and I want to have financial freedom is a beautiful thing and I want to achieve that in a sense to where I want to be able to go live my life how I want to, and it's funny, even out here it's like yeah, you want to live like a hippie off the land, you still need a few million bucks you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So I want to experience that, that form of prosperity and wealth as well. But the true wealth is in the sense that, like I got people who love me and I'd like look around look where I live. You know what I mean. Like I'm already. I'm already living a real good life. You are yeah, yeah, and it's been awfully fun watching Again.
Speaker 1:Like I said, it's good for me getting to know you in these small little bits and I know more about you than I should because Nelly's talking about you all the time. But this has been another good sit-down. Are you kind of squared up right now?
Speaker 2:Nell, I'm so squared up, I feel so good. Anybody?
Speaker 1:you need to call out, do you have any responsibilities, people you need to shout out or anything you want to kind of push right now.
Speaker 3:I mean everybody who supports there's too many people to name, but everybody that supports me, everyone that loves me, love you guys back, and let's just keep figuring it out along the way, I guess.
Speaker 2:I want to thank you, landon, because you know I don't know where I said it recently in a post or something but like celebrate other people's successes and you gave me that. I mean that was the biggest gift ever to watch you turn your music on a daily basis. You've given me massive gifts in my life. Since you were three years old, you know what I mean Our first skate session. I'll never forget it. When we went skating together when you were a teeny, tiny guy. I got to pull those photos out, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I remember going there for a few times, but if it was at three years old I probably don't remember that one, but I'd since we're on that note, definitely appreciate and grateful and love you in the sense that, like I've done so much in this life that I would never be able to remember without the beautiful ways of documenting that, you've been able to been able to be there for the photos and just being somebody that can capture the moment so I can hold onto those memories forever. And you've been there for decades now, so hopefully we got a handful of decades left to keep doing it At least start filming his son pretty soon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is great boys thank you guys, all right.
Speaker 3:Thanks brian. Thanks landon, all right.
