AE 1407 - Goss - What TV Shows Were We Obsessed With As Kids?

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SPEAKER_01 0:14

And this is another episode of Aussie English. It's the number one place after anyone and everyone wanting to learn Australian English. So today I have a guest episode for you where I sit down with my old man, my father, Ian Smithson, and we talk about the week's news, whether locally down under here in Australia or non-locally, overseas in other parts of the world. Okay, and we sometimes also talk about whatever comes to mind, right? If we can think of something interesting to share with you guys related to us or Australia, we also talk about that in The Ghost. So these episodes are specifically designed to try and give you content about many different topics where we're obviously speaking in English and there are multiple people having a natural and spontaneous conversation in English. So it is particularly good to improve your listening skills. In order to complement that though, I really recommend that you join the podcast membership or the Academy membership at ozieenglish.com.au where you will get access to the full transcripts of these episodes, the PDFs, the downloads. And you can also use the online PDF reader to read and listen at the same time. Okay, so if you really, really want to improve your listening skills fast, get the transcript. Listen and read at the same time, keep practicing, and that is the quickest way to level up your English. Anyway, I've been rabbiting on a bit, I've been talking a bit. Let's just get into this episode, guys. Smack the bird, and let's get into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:51

We should do what you've been watching recently. I've had a few things that have been rippers. Oh, really? Yeah, that you've been shitting on.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

No, I'm shitting on. You know, if it if I if I last three episodes, I'm usually okay. But if something can't grab my attention in the first three episodes, I give it up and go, why should I put the effort in?

SPEAKER_02 2:13

It's interesting. I guess it's such a subjective thing about why it it gets some some people's attention and not others. But the thing that I find funny is quite often you have that attitude towards things that otherwise objectively seem to score really high. Yeah. So like we I guess we should probably introduce the issue. A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is like the latest instalment of Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

And I guess it's the hundred-year prequel.

unknown 2:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's it's really good. I've really enjoyed it. I thought it was amazing. I've actually liked it more than the um Is it House of the Dragon? Oh, House of the Dragon was tedious. It's just House of the Dragon for me, I I like it insofar as it has all this really cool action and the sort of But that's all it has. Yeah, but the characters are unclear. Well no, there's consequence, but the act the all of the characters are so I guess the criticism of um of Game of Thrones quite often is that everyone's grey. There's no b there's no good, there's no bad, everyone's somewhere in the middle, and any time someone truly white good comes up, um they die.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

You knew the bad guys were always gonna win that until the good guy turned bad and killed all the bad guys. Yeah. And that's exactly what happened.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Yeah, and the same so like that's the biggest issue with um with yeah, with House of the Dragons, it's that they're all kind of unlikable. It was just what I found was that it was just a last person standing. Yeah. I mean, and there's I will watch it and I do somewhat enjoy it, but I I watched a few sort of um cr critics talking about it recently and comparing it to um a knight of the seven kingdoms and saying it's so good that they've just returned to this type of story that is smaller on scale, it's fewer episodes, it's much more contained in terms of like it's this good-hearted, dumb knight who's trying to do the right thing.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

I mean there's anything four characters, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Well, there's a hand of peripheral stuff, but and he's just going to a tournament and trying to win that tournament, and it's kind of win everything or lose everything. If he loses, he loses everything he's got, and if he wins, he effectively makes it, you know, in terms of going forward as a knight in for the rest of his life. And it's just a nice little container.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

I I agree, the premise I think is really good, which is why I started watching it, and I haven't written it off, but I've I got three episodes in and just went, that's actually well, it's two episodes worth. The first episode in any TV series is always just the intro. The pilot is always just the intro. It's setting the premise, introducing the plot line, and introducing the characters, uh, or at least the key characters. Um but the second episode was utterly pointless.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

I can't even remember the specifics perfectly.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Exactly. Um then the third episode was they could have done in five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

I think wasn't this the second one where they were introducing all of the main players, right? Or was it mainly all those different um the head of the city?

SPEAKER_00 5:17

All the different houses and the different nights and interacting within the city. But again, they did the funnel. But they didn't do much with them. You you sort of, oh, that's the name and that's the face, and then there was very little background, there was no reason why this person was going to be important.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

My thing that I mentioned to you is more, and this is the side of it that I think you don't like anyway, it's more about sharing that world on a smaller scale. So instead of Game of Thrones and and House of the Dragon, where you're there's all these big characters in all these big areas in different places, and you keep zooming back and forth, back and forth, and seeing just just the key moments of like, oh shit, this happened, and then boom, we're back down here, and now this big thing happened. This is more like all the everyday drudgery, it's just so little slower. Well, it's it's in the one place, and you're following the main characters kind of the majority of the time going forward.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

And I quite like that idea, but it was one of those things where you once you've got that idea, you can actually make things happen. But they they haven't watched the rest of it. I will. I will watch the rest of it. But it but again, it it's one of those ones where it didn't it didn't offend me enough to throw a remote across the room. Um but it was one of those where I wasn't driven to because I'm a binge watcher, a TV binge watcher. If I get hooked, um I'll just keep going. And you know, for and that's weird for well, maybe it's a natural reaction to somebody who grew up with particularly um stories, long-term sagas on TV and TV shows where it was once a week.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:47

And you know, Thursday night at seven o'clock, you'll get the next episode or whatever, and you go, I'm gonna wait another week until I get the next hour of this thing. So um when you get hooked, you're binge watching is a thing, but I haven't I can't binge watch this because I can't I can't I get to the end and go, and again, there's no cliffhangers, there's no reason to immediately go, oh show me show me episode.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

The next few episodes because there are for those those most interesting ones, and they've scored like 9.7 or 9.9. So I think you'll like it.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

But they but they're gonna score they're going to score. There's only people who are scoring on it, depending on which one you use. If you use rotten tomatoes, yeah, IMDB is probably the most reliable. Rotten Tomatoes, nothing scores a five or a six, they all score two or nine. Um, but yeah, IMDB's probably a reasonable thing, but yeah, um it will score well amongst people who persist with it and like that I that you know the fantasy world.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Um, but usually it is pretty like so. What do they got here? The yeah, so episode five, the most recent one was nine point six, the one before that nine point six, the one before that nine point one, and then the earlier ones, the second episode was eight point four, and the first was eight point two. So either way it looks like it amps up.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

Yes, you know, so it should for episode four and five, you should get by the time you get to episode four and five, you've only the only people who are watching it are the ones that are already hooked on it and enjoying it. So and the only thing that can happen is that they do a disastrous you know, this isn't an ending, this is the middle of the season, but yeah, a disastrous ending like they did on Game of Thrones, and every fan just you know canned the last season. I know what I would give for them to remake that.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

They're never gonna remake it. I know, but you would just be like, it's funny because they would probably make money on it. It's like it was too big for sale.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

But it's a very expensive show to make.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

So anyway, I'm watching that and I'm really enjoying it. And then I'm having a look here. What else have I been watching? I think I binge watched something. I can't remember we did one of these recently. Did we mention Pluribus? No. Did I mention that one? No, Pluribus, that's uh that was really good. That's by the makers of game of um of um uh Better Call Soul Breaking Bad. And it's effectively this show about this radio wave signal is coming through space and it gets transcribed, and they work out that it's coding for DNA, and these effectively the the human race when they accidentally transcribe it and put it injected into mice, and then someone gets bitten by a mouse, and then everyone effectively becomes this hive mind of like all joined. They get all everyone's mind is all the same, and um but there's one woman who isn't. And the alien is like this ethical that I I I don't even know how to describe it as an alien, but everyone in this who's become part of this hive mind is like they have this ethical code of the whole point of this is to reduce suffering and um you know pain and everything like that. We're all still here, but we're obviously in this state of hive mind, and no one is individual anymore. Everyone is exactly the same, and no, there's no talking, they just all go around getting all the food they need, they don't use electricity during the day or that night or whatever, they all sleep in really public like um arenas and stuff on the ground to just conserve space and energy. Anyway, so the whole series is about this one woman uh who wasn't converted for one reason and trying to work out how to convert everyone back. Right. And going for undo the. Yeah, exactly. And they can't force her to become one of them, so they can only they're trying to research how to convert her, right? And then when and if they get it, they'll kind of allow her to decide and she's trying to work her way out to it. Undo them. Exactly. So it's just really fascinating ethical implications.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Again, I yeah, if not just ethical implications, but I like that where there is a um there's a challenge on both. It's not just evil against good, it's that both think they are right and they're both trying to get towards an end which is completely conflicting with the other side's end.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

So it's really funny too, because there are all these characters in it that she interacts with who are theoretically all the same hype mind being, right? And yet you find yourself initially disliking a bunch of them and then coming around and kind of starting to like them, and as a viewer, you kind of like them as individuals, but you can keep forgetting that they're hang on, they're all the same. Like there's this woman that she interacts with. We are all individuals who's not this this super cute, kind of like 40-something year old um Polish American actress, and initially you're sort of like, oh, she's so annoying, and then you start to really like her.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

And I guess it's because of what they go through, all of the different things, because she it's just like presumably they're as a new entity that's evolving as well, because they're you know, as a hive mind or you know, uh a joint entity, they will be evolving because they will be and I haven't seen it, but I would assume that would be the the storyline in there is that they are starting to learn.

SPEAKER_02 11:54

I don't know, so it seems like, and again, otherwise I don't remember all the specifics of replicators from Stargate. Yeah. I hope it's you know, spoiler warning, guys, obviously, for any of these episodes. But um there's gonna be a second season, and I have a feeling what they will discover in the second season is that the um Hive Mind is just programmed to set up sending that signal out again, and it ends up effectively just draining all the energy on the planet. So it'll it'll be this catastrophic thing of I think she'll get to the point of wanting to join the Hive Mind and then realize that they're actually like on a doomed ship, and that the the Hive Mind is going to be spending all this energy and time trying to set up the next radio dish to send out the um energy in some different direction where there might be another planet to absorb, and that's their sort of evolutionary sequence of spreading through the galaxy.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Yeah, look, it's a it's a really interesting um conundrum among in developing science fiction television shows where you set up this is a premise with a clear ending. Either she wins or she loses. Yeah. And do they get to the end of season one and that's the answer? In which case season two is effectively wipe everything that happened in season one and then try and come up with another premise based on the same structure. No, I mean it doesn't bring them out. And there's a whole lot of them that just don't work like that. Um whereas the sort of science fictions that have been really popular, um, you know, TV-wise, are things like Star Trek and Stargate, where even though there is a particular conflict that's going on, the conflict is not absolute. And so that you can reach an ending to a season and have some sort of conclusion, but the conclusion's not absolute. So when you get to the season two, there's a cliffhanger and you move on and you and things might change. Whereas when you the the a lot of those seasons where you you know, or shows where you get to the end and you go, well, that was unsatisfying. Yeah. And the reason it was unsatisfying is because you know they had to leave something for sex and second season. You know, lost is a classic example of it. Yeah, really good premise, but it should have been one season and they should have either got off the island or died. And that should have been the end of it. But by the time you get into polar bears and dinosaurs on the tropical island, then the the writers have just lost the plot because we've got to put dinosaurs or polar bears on the island, but at least explain it and pay off.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

The problem with the polar bear thing was this thing came running out of the street. One episode and then it never gone. Talked about again, and you just say, what the f Oh man. But have you heard that Stargate's coming back apparently via Amazon? Um it's on Netflix. No, it's in the doing a new Stargate series. Amanda Tapping in it? Hopefully, I don't know. You would have to find Sam. You would have to find a way to write it and bring back the old characters in one shape.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Yeah, funny. Speaking of Amanda Tapping and TV shows, I've actually been watching a Canadian show that she's been directing a lot of the episodes of. Um and it's just a procedural cop show, murder mystery show called Murder on in a small town. And it's set in Gibson's, which is on the Sunshine Coast in British Columbia. Um which have they got a place called the Sunshine Coast? They do. Um it's on the West Coast, but it's it's mostly only accessible by ferry, or you've got to drive hundreds of kilometres to get around to it. Um so it's a ferry ride from um Vancouver. Um the only irritating well, it it's it's it's not high drama, but the only really irritating thing about it is clearly with Canadian TV, they are selling to an American audience, and so they they actually specify it's set in Gibson's, they name it as Gibson's, they show maps of it as Gibson's on the Sunshine Coast, but there is this sort of implied thing that it's actually somewhere in the United States because they keep talking about oh, he's from out of state, and you go, there are no states in Canada, it's a province, you morons. And you go, because it's just it's a language thing that you go, oh surely Americans have grown up a bit by now, and they can actually realize that this can be just as entertaining from Canada. Everybody knows it's made in Canada.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

There's a whole bunch of those things though, where because the film filming industry over here is so much more affordable, American films are quite often made on the in the Gold Coast and in Sydney and in northeastern Australia, and they have all the cars, they put them on the wrong side of the road, and you see these movies and you're like, there's fucking eucalypt trees everywhere. Like this is clearly the Australian you know bush, yeah, and yet they'll they'll have like all of our stop signs and all of the but just the cars are on the other side of the road.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

It's just weird. Yeah, but you know, but you know, if you're a um well in that case, they're they're actually Hollywood um studios that are making American films in Australia, but this show is clearly Canadian, um, but they're still selling to the American market, so they have to Americanise it. So that's a bit irritating, but otherwise it's a good show.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

I don't I always wonder with something like that if they're just the executives are overthinking it and they're like the American audience won't be able to handle anything that doesn't seem Americanized, and therefore they make it all that way. And so the assumption then after that is it just one has to be Americanised, yeah, exactly. So you're like really like that's the only thing we have sold, not the only thing we could sell.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah, exactly. It's like well, we can't change now. The other interesting part of the show is that the main character is uh played by um one of Donald Sutherland's sons, Kiefer Sutherland's half-brother. Yeah, okay. Um and it's the first thing that I've seen him in. He's been around for a while, but uh but we if you close your eyes, he sounds exactly like his father. It's really weird. You just go, I know that voice.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Whereas Kiefer doesn't sound like his father at all.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

But no. That was interesting, yeah. His dad was the guy in Buffy, the vampire slayer, that original movie, wasn't he? He was the um oh, what was the guy's name who like taught her how to fight vampires? He was the the original slayer teacher. It feels so weird getting older and seeing a lot of these younger actresses and actors that you you know fell in love with when they were late teens, early twenties, now they're fifty. They're like fifty, sixty years old. And then all these ones that were like adults when you're a kid dying. Yeah, you know, you just saw like what the.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

My my teenage crush was Natalie Wood. Yeah. And Natalie Wood's been dead for 30 years, and you go she died in her like late 40s, I think.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

And you go, now I'm nearly 70. She was born in the 30s. She was. So she was just a an actress, was she, in these big films back then?

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Yeah, yeah. So she was a child actor, yeah, and then a teenager, didn't do much as a teenager, but then she really hit it big in her twenties in the 1950s. Yeah. 50s and early sixties. She was she was probably the biggest star in Hollywood. Yeah. Um, interestingly though, she was the one who broke the um the studio model in Hollywood. Because back in those days, the you know, you were signed to a studio, an actor got signed by a studio, and they were just given scripts, so you'll be in this movie. Yeah, and they'd make ten movies a year, yeah. Um and they would just have to do them, and she refused. Wow, okay. And they still have to keep employing her because she was such a big name. And she just said, nope, you're not gonna I'm not that's rubbish, I'm not playing that part, I'm not doing that. She was in um Rebel Without a Cause with James Dean. She was indeed. So they both died pretty young, obviously.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

Yeah, well, he died in his twenties, she died in her forties, fell off a boat. Wow, she's in a movie called Brainstorm. She is, which has the last movie. What's his name again? Uh Christopher Walken. Yeah. And they're both pretty young in that. That was 1980. Christopher Walken was on the boat when she died. Well, how did she die? She drowned or something. She drowned, fell off a boat. Drinking.

unknown 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

What else are you watching, Dad? What are you enjoying?

SPEAKER_00 20:09

Well, funnily enough, the and one of the things that I was thinking of as a topic, and maybe we can extend now, or tell me we can do it another episode, was favourite TV shows from your childhood. Um, because mine are all now 60 years old. And I just recognised that the other day when Thunderbirds, which is this is a big statement, Thunderbirds is the best television ever made. What what is Thunderbirds? It's uh it's a marionette, so puppet show made in the mid-1960s. Um, and it was done as it was a um the the characters on the plot in it are um f five brothers and their father. Their father runs an international um rescue agency. And so anything that goes wrong anywhere in the world is pretty much the first Paw Patrol. Pretty much, it is, except Paw Patrol is rubbish. Sorry to all the six-year-olds out there. No, no. Thunderbirds was huge in the mid-60s, but the um but it's all done with puppetry, so it's not cartoon and it's not acting, but it was puppetry and um small-scale live action. And it's genius the way it was made. Um, and the storylines are trivial, but it was made for kids, but uh unlike Paw Patrol, um, adults can watch it as well because it's got an adult humour in it. Yeah, okay, so it's like blue egg in that sense.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

They're really crossover thematically, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:43

Um but yeah, it was just it was completely revolutionary in the world.

SPEAKER_02 21:46

So there's that characters came in trying to destroy the world or whatever, and these guys are pilots that they all have their own ships.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

They all got their own spaceships, rockets, underwater things, they and they've got these sort of sci fi tools that's like you know James Bond tools that will solve every problem. And inspect a gadget. And it's all done with puppets. Well you can find it online. It looks like it's on YouTube. It is. Yeah it is. It's just been released, 60th anniversary release. Were there only two seasons? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:16

Oh wow I didn't realise it was only two seasons. I always assumed that it just went for eight years.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

It only went for two years. Wow. Must have been a lot to make. I think it was just too expensive to make. So it was and I'm sure the and it was a it was a a British couple who came up with the idea and they eventually got bought by an American TV company to release it in the States. So it's funny though you say that the voice acting is American voices except for two characters which are British.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

Yeah. It's funny you say TV shows from when we were kids a lot of the ones I remember watching were probably ones that you watched when you were a kid. Because I remember seeing Thunderbirds. We also had like Looney Tunes which would have been from what the Fug Funny was the 50s. Yeah. What was the guy's name that did all the voices on that? Mel Blank. Yeah Mel Blank and then what else the Brady Bunch was another one?

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Yeah that was 70s. Gilligan's Islands funny how many of those just got replayed on TV all the time. I guess they were just affordable to be able to buy the right and they bought um certainly Gilligan's Island ran for about 20 years, 30 years. Has in it half that many seasons it only ran for about four seasons it just kept going. Well they just kept and and I know the like Australian studios or Australian TV channels would just buy it well buy it to run four times and they'd run it, drop it for a year, and then run it again.

SPEAKER_02 23:36

Well it used to be there would be those shows in the morning things like Looney Tunes um Saturday morning Thunderbirds and that but then yeah and then in the evenings during the week you would get home and I think probably from like five o'clock onwards there were certain shows and I would you would usually be juggling between channel seven and channel ten. Yeah. Because there would be like Home and Away and neighbours these Australian shows which I think is Home and Away is still going next yeah neighbours finished a few years ago. Yeah and then so what neighbours would be at 6 30 Home and Away would be at 7 o'clock neighbours was on channel 10 Home and Away was on seven but then there'd also be like MASH before that which was about like the Vietnam War was it? Korean War yeah and that was from the 70s. And that was the MASH was about um doctors on the front line right or like you know MASH is mobile army surgical hospital.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Gotcha okay yeah so that was that and then um you know that's still the most watched TV show ever per capita in American TV history. Why? It was just that good it's that good. It's brilliant. I I sit there and go you must be able to find it and start with series one episode one and just work through it. Yeah. Because it went for about ten years.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

Side note do you know why they switched in surgical operations? I think in the uh early 20th century they used to you all wear all white so that you could see blood. Why do you reckon they switched to green? Because it's easy to launder it's about your vision it is yeah red rain colour blindness. No it's not about that what? It's the contrast if you look at um white with a dark colour on it your eyes do that thing of you know when you look away and you can see the inverse? Yeah you just and so the the issue was all these surgeons that were doing surgery were looking at um white and these big contrasty colours. And they wouldn't be able to see what they were doing properly so they had to switch to dark two of this green and blue blues and green I had no idea it was weird.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah chatting to one of my students recently who's a surgeon and and had seen that fact and he's like yeah we all learned that in first year and I'm like there you go I had no idea but it seems to make sense um anyway yeah so for me I don't know I was watching a lot of those ones Brady Bunch as well was on in the evenings and then we had things like if we were sick Brady Bunch was horrible if we were sick at at home from school during the day there would be like um Oprah, Judge Judy and um Jerry Springer or Days of Our Lives and the you know the bold and the beautiful and the young and the rest of them that trash that they were the sort of what November they were the absolute soap opera yeah it was just like it used to amuse me to watch I don't think I've ever watched a whole episode but every now and then you'd be you'd walk in the room and it was on or yeah you'd watch an ad for it or something. And they were so cheaply done. They're all done entirely in studio. Yeah. And five different but often but but often they were done where you didn't even have two actors in the same place so all the conversations were over the phone. So you could just be recording one actor in a studio right here's your 20 lines for this episode you're you're done in 20 minutes and you're out gone. That's so weird that that I don't know there aren't really those shows around anymore right like I I don't know I assume they probably are in the US but in Australia I haven't seen it's probably because I don't watch normal free-to-air TV anymore Australia's never made one of those middle of the day so big things because we had you know you've already mentioned away and neighbours neighbours which were prime time half hour at least they did it on scene too like you would be at the beach or in the forest or outside in the yard or whatever like it wouldn't just be in the studio.

SPEAKER_02 27:20

There were studios you know they would have their different shops or whatever that were studio sets but but yeah I don't know and then besides that for me it was probably Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z. Um I'm trying to think what else Rugrats? That was a big I like Rugrats.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

Rugrats and then Rugrats was the bluey of the 1990s.

SPEAKER_02 27:41

Yeah it was just a feel good kind of and it again it was made for kids but it was also made for adults because there's a lot of adult humour in it. The traumatising thing is an adult watching it now is realizing that all the parents are younger than you in that show. And I remember watching it as a kid and thinking these people so old it's such a weird thing. I think that's your 30s your 30s is realizing that everyone under the age of 20 now sees you like you see 60 year olds.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Yeah my my um grandfather um once told me he said you know you're gonna get old when you get breathlise or pulled over by a policeman who's clearly younger than you are. Yeah and that happens in your 30s and all of a sudden we get a cop who's 22 you know it's just weird seeing people younger than you who are incredibly colour.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

Doctor who's 25 in a certain field and you're like so theoretically bank manager and they're 20 years younger than you. Yeah it's weird. I was turning to one of my friends from school and he's like I'm about to um become a partner at the accounting firm and I was just like fuck how old are we? I was like good grief dude I remember when we were young and you're like yeah that's probably like 10 20 years away and now it's like well now it's 10 or 20 years away. That's it that's just like I know it's that realization that you've caught up with your own life. It's interesting thinking about the shows that will be like this for our kids though.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Keep thinking they're probably going to be things like Paw Patrol Bluey Bluey will I I think and this is the old cynic in me the grumpy old man and everybody has the grumpy old man in them even the grumpy old women but that that um nostalgia is the the rose coloured glasses of nostalgia and you know Gilligan's Island was complete and utter rubbish. And I'd so I wouldn't hold that one up but other shows like um Hogan's Heroes as an example Hogan's Heroes would stand up now. It's just clever there's a lot of Nazi dudes a lot of the I see now see I see there's a lot of the inherent and it's not racism because it's you know the same race Germans versus but there's a lot of inherent sort of bigotry bigotry in it that probably wouldn't stand up in a woke world that we have now oh there's a hundred of those shows from that period but it's like faulty towers yeah but it's clever yeah um it's funny now that was a show made for adults not for children yeah but the cartoons were clever you know there's Rocky and Bullwinkle and um you know you mention you mentioned the you know the Bugs Bunny cartoons and things. They're just clever the modern stuff isn't there's a lot of it there's a moral message in them which you sort of go, eh?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

But that's true it's almost like the moral message is an excuse for producing crap that keeps people glued to screens and makes money. Yeah because really what it's become about isn't necessarily let's make a really good quality show people will enjoy watching inherently it's how do we make sure no one leaves their seats and they watch more ads or they pay for this. Like watch your kids watch a show like Bluey versus Paul Patrol. Paul Patrol will they won't s a single shot won't last more than three seconds. Yeah. It it's pretty rare for that to happen. And so watch your children watching the show and their eyes don't leave the screen. Yeah. They can't because everything's constantly changing. Whereas when you watch something like Bluey or you know put on a show that they're not necessarily that interested in and you're or you know what would you say not not not interested in but like slower. Yeah. And they'll disengage from it a little more. They're not sort of zombified staring at the screen.

SPEAKER_00 31:16

So I think that's the horrifying side and it's look a lot of that stuff is just purely designed by formula. Yeah it's completely done by formula.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

There's look there's a whole bunch of those shows though that's like they're all the same we've got different trains and they they can shape shift and then they save the world and there's like the red one the blue one the yellow one and the green one and you and then we now we've got different robot dinosaurs. Yeah and they the red one the blue one the green one it's like oh my god guys like it's so funny how they're like we've got to take two things the kids love like dinosaurs and robots and make it one thing and they're gonna save the world and you're just like ah this is so contrived.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

Yeah well yeah but well everything's contrived but you know TV won't well um visual media is contrived but it's uh I feel like that's probably the curse of getting older too you kind of like have that constant Simpsons did it Simpsons did it Rocky and Bullwinkle did it.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Yeah there's this constant like I've seen this this isn't novel this is just copying someone else who did it a certain amount of time so that you can have a very limited number of novel ideas for stories. Well and they almost wait they're like it's it's two decades yet so the next batch of people watching won't realize anyway all right this one's drawn on but it has I hope you guys have have gotten something out of it. Anyway see you next time