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Golfweek Amateur Tour - The Podcast
Unlocking Golf Potential: Transforming Junior Golfers into Champions and Rule Simplification
Join us as we talk to Anthony Coleman and Earl Mason from the St. Louis Golfweek Amateur Tour about how they are helping grow the game with junior golfers. We'll unpack how community partnerships and parental involvement have been essential in nurturing young talent, and how providing new equipment ensures kids feel confident on any course. Our commitment to inclusivity and the importance of camaraderie in youth golf programs demonstrate that passion for the game transcends all barriers.
Then, listen in as we simplify golf’s complex rules, with Roger helping to demystify penalty areas and the use of colored stakes. We'll clarify common misunderstandings, such as the equidistant rule, and share updates on recent and upcoming tournaments. Whether you're puzzled by blue stakes or curious about the latest shirt contest, we've got you covered. Our mission is to ensure every player understands the rules, maintaining fair competition and enhancing the enjoyment of the game for all.
Finally, get ready for a quick discussion on some logistics of the Golfweek Amateur Tour, as Chris Rocha and I prepare for the national championship in Hilton Head. We'll share detailed travel plans, housemate coordination, and how these championships offer a chance for family fun. Plus, I'll reveal must-visit spots like the nostalgic candy store Pops, ensuring everyone has a memorable time both on and off the course. We'll also celebrate Mick’s impressive winning streak, even suggesting light-heartedly that he should share the spotlight a bit more.
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Welcome back, Chris. We are in the home stretch in August. We've got only a few more weeks left of the regular season in the national championship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's close to the end of the ride for at least 2024. But it's been. I think at this point you know, as directors are probably getting a little tired but going to keep trucking through and can't wait for nationals Already booked a place to stay, booked a flight and now I've got to book the game. There you go. Make sure I take that with me.
Speaker 1:Well, again, I'm sure you're going to be fine. We've got a good episode this week. We're talking to some St Louis members that are doing some really good stuff in the junior golf space and I think we're finally going to get the how to play penalty areas properly.
Speaker 2:Correctly, right, right, right, correctly. I don't think it's the last time, but I think we're getting closer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's hope so. Let's go and get it started.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 3:Ladies and gentlemen, golf Week Amateur Tour the podcast Talking about all things Golf Week Amateur Tour, including interviews with tour directors, players and course pros. Now here are your hosts Atlanta Tour Director, tim Newman, and El Paso Las Cruces Director, chris Rocha.
Speaker 1:Chris, it's good to see you. You mentioned that Tour Directors are looking tired. I hope that wasn't directed at me and how I'm looking right now.
Speaker 2:No, I'm tired. A lot of traveling, but I think I'm done with the traveling until October, Thank God. Actually, no, I take that back. I got TPC Scottsdale and then it's nationals. I mean that's always the fun one because you know you get to travel. Well for me, I get to travel across the country. You got one because you know you get to travel. Well for me, I get to travel across the country.
Speaker 2:You got to travel across the street a couple miles, yeah, but uh, it's fun, man, and and you know, being able to finally take my wife down there and see the circus that is national championship. I think she's gonna have a blast, and a bunch of wives that are coming from my tour are excited because they get to hang out with each other and go to the beach and do all of that, so it's gonna be a good time that's awesome, that number one.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you're bringing bringing your wife, but it's awesome that you know some of your players are bringing wives as well yeah, you know, for those that have never been, you know it's a lot of a lot of families do make this a family vacation. You know there's there's so much to do, the weather is great, uh, and and Hilton Edge is really just a fun place to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. It's going to be interesting though, because I've got in the house we're staying in. I have me B-Flighter, a C-Flighter and a D-Flighter, so trying to figure out that transportation is going to be interesting every morning.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're going to have to find a ride back to the main area for uh after the round, cause I can't be going around and picking everybody up as well.
Speaker 1:Now, well, here's the solution, though. They just get better and all moved to the B flight.
Speaker 2:I, you know, I completely agree. I completely agree, but at that point I'll be in the A flight, so so it's not going to matter anyway. Right, it'll be, but it used to courses instead of three different courses.
Speaker 1:We're going to plan like it's going to be a Google map printed out with a highlighter of what road I need to take just to make a big, a big circle. Yeah, that's kind of funny. I wasn't thinking about that, you know, when you showed me the places that you were looking at. But you know, I don't know which one of those places you took, but you can't go wrong with either one. Obviously, right, honestly. No, obviously honestly.
Speaker 2:No, I agree, and it's right by this plaza area that I've never I don't think I've ever been, but it looks real nice. So I'm excited to kind of, you know, explore. We're going to have a couple of days with just to ourselves. I usually don't play practice rounds, you know that Thursday kind of let my body heal, so we'll explore the town a little more than what I've done in the past.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that area down there again, there are a lot of shops, a ton of shops down there.
Speaker 2:Which is scary too. Well, there's If I'm not there and she's got the card.
Speaker 1:I'd watch out for that. For me. There are a couple of my favorites down there. One's a fudge shop.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, and there's another one it's called Pops Uh-huh, and there's another one it's called pops uh-huh, and they've got all kinds of candy in there. Oh no, I'm not a big candy person, I'm really not, but they have candy like by decades, going back to like to the 40s and 50s.
Speaker 2:So you could, yeah, so I don't know if I trust that being good.
Speaker 1:So well, it's. I mean it's, it's new, I mean it's not for actually from there, there it's a type of candy and you're probably too young to remember Necco's.
Speaker 2:Never heard of it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, it's like a little wafer. And, Mike, you know, my granddaughter was with us, you know, a few weeks ago. So I took her down to the candy shop and I got a little thing of Necco's. That's the first time I've had them in forever. But I mean you can go in there and just I mean pretty much any kind of candy that's ever been made they have in that shop. It's called Pops. It's called Pops, Yep.
Speaker 2:Pops. Some free advertising for Pops and Hilton Head. Check it out.
Speaker 1:See. So you know, let's talk about National Championship again. I mean just on another level. You know, registration opened August 1st. Those uh in the top 10 of each flight.
Speaker 2:Any idea who the first rich registrant was? Um, I don't, and I know it wasn't me because I haven't registered yet, but I don't what are you doing?
Speaker 1:what are you doing I? I just you got you waiting to get in the top 10, or or what?
Speaker 2:no, I'm, I'm number one, sir, settle down there, I think I. I don't know well the way I played my last event. I might have not, but, um, I believe I'm. I believe I'm number one and you know, now you got me checking and I shouldn't be doing this while we're trying to record. But, um, yeah, still number one by less than 100 points okay, well, you better tighten up that's a tight one right there you better tighten it up I'll win.
Speaker 1:I'll win the next event the very first person to register for the national championship this year is Andrew Borovets, a D-flight player from Atlanta.
Speaker 2:Nice, I mean you all do have a two-hour advantage from us. You guys are wide awake seeing the email. We're barely waking up.
Speaker 1:My guys. They keep hitting refresh, you know, waiting for it to come through. But this is Anton's first year on tour. Okay, super excited, super excited, um, really good guy. Uh, he actually won his the first tourney he played in. Okay, he said he's had a really good year and I'm, I'm, I'm so excited, I'm. I'm excited that and how excited he is, because these are the things that that really kind of you know for me, get, get me going, what you know, watching these guys and how excited they get and how into the tour and these tournaments they are.
Speaker 1:And I sent out a text update to to all the guys this morning. You know we got a tournament coming up this coming week and you know there's only two regionals left. Morning, you know we got a tournament coming up this coming week and you know there's only two regionals left. That's it. That well, that have openings one's kiowa and the other is french league. And, by the way, I did already make my my arrangements french league. Again, you and I got to talk about how we're going to make that work right. But so there's only like 70 total slots available for regional. So if anybody wants regional points, you got about 70 spots as of you know as about Monday morning, so you better get on it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's your. I mean, I won't say your last chance, but for at least this year, your last chance to even try and get you know an invitation to national championship.
Speaker 1:Exactly. So. We've got some really good guests this week. You know, you and I kind of went back and forth with our first guest. You know they're really doing a phenomenal job in the junior golf space and I can't wait to talk to them In our 50th episode. One of the things that both of us kind of highlighted is some of the things that our members are doing golf related outside of the tour and how important that is and and and how we like to highlight that, and so so this to me is is one of them. They're doing a really good job, so so let's go ahead and and welcome them in Our next. Guests are doing some really really good things in the junior golf space, raising lots of money, and they're having a lot of success. So let's go ahead and bring in Anthony Coleman and Earl Mason from the St Louis tour Guys, welcome to the show.
Speaker 4:Good morning, tim. Thanks for having us. Yep, good morning.
Speaker 1:Glad to be here. So you guys are with the St Louis tour and AC, as I was telling you earlier. You know I was the tour director in St Louis a few years ago and I know most of the guys down there and I love you guys and I saw this post that Tyler did about you all and what you're doing with junior golf. You were team masters in swingies and you've partnered with a junior PGA, so tell us a little bit about what you're doing, how much money you've raised. Also, talk about your three juniors that are ranked in the top 50 in the United States.
Speaker 4:Well, I wouldn't say United States. I know they're ranked here in St Louis, missouri, that's for sure. So we do travel with them. But just a little history of how this started is that for 42 years the team masters have been training junior golfers for the next level, maybe not necessarily the PGA, but for whatever great golf opportunity they could find. So in exchange for that 42 years, you can see that one of our members, who came up when he was eight years old, is now the head golf coach at Lincoln University. His name is Cortland Ware. We also have an Ashley Nix that started when she was eight. She's not the director of First Tee in Dallas, texas, in that whole region. And so we continually train eight year old boys and girls up through 16 year old boys and girls, from start to finish, and we're with them every year.
Speaker 4:You know it started out initially, you know, just sort of rough, I guess, 42 years ago. I've been a member for 30 years. But we wanted to improve the quality of the experience for the kids and then also have them begin to compete. What that means is children have to look the part. Children have to have the right equipment. They have to have the right environment to be successful. There's nothing worse than a child going into a country club that has some 90-year-old club, doesn't have a uniform, they don't feel like they belong there. So five or six years ago we made a switch, and what that switch was is that we created a company my company, which is Diversity Golf Marketing Foundation, decided to find those players. So pretty much you consider it that diversity sort of manages the whole team and the team masters are the coaches that support the kids that are out there, and so from that standpoint we were able to team up with community organizations that had the kids already versus us going into different schools and finding them one by one. So we decided to work with Matthew Dickies, first at the Boys and Girls Club, and we decided to work with Better Family Life, another huge community organization, and then now the Little Bit Foundation as well, which is a big organization here, and I can tell you a story of why the funding came in is because, you know, I took the kids about four years ago to a course and I won't name the course because it's not necessary but at that point we didn't have the brand new clubs and we worked in all uniform and my little 12-year-old girl just got hassled, and very badly on the golf course as if she didn't belong.
Speaker 4:And look at those raggedy clubs. Because I used to accept donations from people that just had old clubs in their garage but I sort of felt like they were just dumping stuff off at the Goodwill. So I determined at that moment that I don't accept, that. I don't accept youth clubs anymore. If you want to help our kids look the part, be the part and feel like they're a part of it, you can write us a check and you can give us a brand new set of clubs, and so I stand by that today, and that's when everything started pulling off the gateway.
Speaker 4:Pga is a huge partner of ours, as is Matthew Dickey and Family Life, but many others, and they're coming on strong every month as it relates. In the last four years we've sent four kids to college on their own scholarship, and this year I'll be to say that after our Nashville trip I did get a call from Fisk University and the head coach wants to speak to one of our seniors about coming near a full scholarship and he is one of the ones that is winning tournaments here. And of course, we have a 14-year-old. That is just incredible a scratch golfer, and he is winning everywhere, all over the country, and so we're very proud of them and as I see them grow, I'm looking at every day, at my eight and nine-year-olds to see which one of those are going to step up and be that next player. We don't take a yellow bus and drive them to the golf course and drive them to practice or any of that nature them to the golf course and drive them to practice or any of that nature.
Speaker 4:We felt that the best way to do this was to have 100% parental involvement 100%. So for every practice, that parent is dropping that child off. For every tournament that we go to, they are driving down to that tournament with us, with their child. We are not babysitters, we're golf instructors, we're financial literacy experts that help the kids, we're behavioral alternative people that then we're mentors and a lot of times we're fathers to the kids. That's our philosophy and we're always looking for additional sponsors and things like that. Whereas Earl, on the other hand, he has his own company, coaching firm, swing Easy, that is growing immensely and that now all the adults are coming in because the parents of the children that we teach they really want to learn the game, they want to learn the rules, they want to learn it all, and so I can see it coming full swing.
Speaker 4:And this weekend here in St Louis it's the APGA Tour, the Advocates Professional Golfers Association tour that's happening at Glen Echo. You know that has what we call the the bowl of all of those minority golfers that are really trying to get onto either the coin theory or the PGA tour. So they're all here in town and all of our kids were out there last night walking with them, supporting them and getting them, moving them forward. They'll be out there this afternoon doing the same and in turn they're doing a big clinic and top golf for all of our kids tomorrow. They want to see who's who's what and uh, and see you know where their game is at.
Speaker 4:But then give them some general instructions and directions to let you know that you can do this. And can we make sure we let our kids know that there are five to 600 different types of jobs in golf and everybody's not going to be a PG, everybody's not going to be on the PG tour. But if you love the game you can do something, just like what Earl and I are doing is, you can involve yourself in many, many ways. And this is not my real job, this is just my passion. And when I say my passion is that this is what I do for enjoyment, so that I can sleep good at night. No, I'm doing this for the kids.
Speaker 4:It's a big sacrifice. Granted, that's a sacrifice. We have over 65 kids. Uh, we teach, you know, two to three times a week, after, after work, and uh, but they all got new uniforms. All of them have brand new sets of clubs, you know. All of them have their balls and their gloves and we make sure they have energy and refreshments and that kind of thing. So it's not just Anthony, it's not just Earl, it's all of us, combined with the team masters organization, that come together to make all of this work. But everyone knows their, everyone knows what their job is when it comes to this. And so, whereas I'm the president of the team masters and the diversity, I might bring the decisions, but I'm not the final decision maker. You know, I run it by my vice president, Earl. I run it by many people, because I need buy-in with everything we're doing. But our junior golfers are incredible boys and girls and we're very proud to work with them. What you're doing, but our junior golfers are incredible boys and girls.
Speaker 4:And we're very proud to work with them.
Speaker 1:What you're doing is incredible and, as you know, st Louis has a rich history in golf that not many people really know about. Like I said in the past and I wish Chris was here with us, you know we've talked over and over again if we don't get younger and more diverse, our game is in trouble. And you know, providing these opportunities for people that never would have really had this opportunity to be able to grow the game and seeing them be successful and seeing that light in their eyes and having them get that same passion that we have to play golf, that's something they can do for their entire life. It's an incredible feeling. Can do for their entire life. It's an incredible feeling.
Speaker 4:It's funny. You bring that up because you can look at some beautiful, beautiful golf court Just here in St Louis, you can look at Norwood Hills, you can look at Glen Echo and then let's even look at the Masters. So, surrounding these beautiful plethoras of green grass and hold this beauty inside these fences. Well, right on the other side of the fence is the neighborhood that all of our kids live in, and it's ironic that all these years none of them actually even get to see this place that's across the street. They're not allowed to walk inside those gates to see the beauty that's in there. And so what we're doing is we're bringing them into these or we're bringing them there. We're coaching at these places.
Speaker 4:Norwood has been so graceful and gracious to allow us to coach there for the last three years Every Wednesday. Total use of facility, total use of the golf course. Those are true partners, just like Forest Park. They are true partners because why have a community around you and they can't even enjoy some of the splendor of a course like that, or at least see it? Now the kids see it like oh my God, I had no idea this was across the street.
Speaker 4:Well, now they have an idea and you should see the look in their eyes when they see something so beautiful and we just are that conduit to get them into that organization. And that's why we support the amateur golf week, that's why eight or nine team masters are part of golf week, because it's important that we involve ourselves in things that we might necessarily be involved in and it's we don't care about the money, we care about the participation and that we could meet somebody like you or somebody else or somebody like the daughtery company if they can help us support our junior golf initiatives and programs. So you practice every Wednesday, you junior golf initiatives, and programs Right.
Speaker 1:So you practice every Wednesday. You get all 65 kids there.
Speaker 6:Yeah, mondays and Wednesdays. One team is the Better Family Life team is on Mondays and that's more our beginner golfers, if you want to call it that. And Matthew Dickey's team is on Wednesdays at Norwood Country Club and that's our advanced group of junior golfers.
Speaker 1:And so what does practice look like? Range time, putting you know chipping and then one course time.
Speaker 6:Yeah, all the above. So like probably the biggest thing we did, anthony and I about five years ago I think, we talked about just making it more structured and just making sure we were giving the kids the best opportunity possible to be good in the game. So organized practices with drills, chipping, putting off-course time, kind of getting a common philosophy amongst the coaches of what we try to accomplish with the kids and their swings. And man, I'm telling you these kids, the swings they have after just playing two, three years, is amazing. I mean, we got kids who are single handicapped golfers in two years' time. Several of them they haven't had time to build bad habits like we have.
Speaker 6:Yeah, absolutely Absolutely, and it's done mainly through drills and just, you know, really just the watchful eye of somebody you know watching them practice and stuff. So that helps a lot and it goes a long way watching practice and stuff. So that helps a lot and it goes a long way, and that's the mentoring part of it.
Speaker 4:They get used to seeing Earl every Monday at the course. They get used to seeing those coaches and so we love that about it, because now, all of a sudden, we are much more than coaches to many of these kids. To be honest with you, they look forward to seeing this and, quite frankly, most of their mothers are bringing them out there. So they look, they really like it when they see us and they expect us to be there and we don't let them down unless it's above 95 degrees. And then if it's above 95, obviously we have a rule. We're not taking our kids out there to have heat strokes and that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, See, when we were younger that wasn't a rule.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we invite our kids out, even if our more advanced kids. We invite them out for our weekend games with our club and these guys compete Like AC saying. The young kid, our 14-year-old kid, participated in our tournament. I believe he came in fourth place. That's amazing. That's amazing. That's awesome. And I mean you're talking about guys who played many tours. We got some really good golfers come in town for our tournament from all over the country. This kid came in fourth place.
Speaker 1:It's awesome to see. I love it when kids come out and do really well. You know, some of the older guys, you know, get upset about it. I say, look, dude, this is the future. And if he's doing this at 14 or 12, 14, 15, 16 years old, just think about the future for that individual, male or female, right well, it's just going into the ninth grade, and that good ninth grade, that's amazing.
Speaker 4:and his parents, um, he was one of the kids that went out of town with us to nashville, and so how advanced more that we're doing is. We're going to be traveling with our kids now. And why is that? Well, because we know for a fact that many of these kids and their parents don't get a summer break. They don't get to go to Florida, they don't get to go to all these different places, and so we organize a trip, not only for fellowship but also for the parents, and have a getaway. And the kids can say, hey, what did you do? Or so over the summer, oh my God, I went to Nashville, I participated in this golf tournament. Now, all of a sudden by them saying that the first day of school, because that's always remember those- questions what did?
Speaker 4:you do over the summer, and so now that we'll get more of their friends involved in natural we love to see. It was great Twenty kids, all their parents, three days down there at the Ted Rhodes and we made each of them write an essay about who Ted Rhodes was. And Ted Rhodes was a pioneer in the golfing industry. He paved the way. He was the first black PGA player and he paved the way. But don't get it confused with us. We don't care what race the child is, we don't care if it's a boy or girl, it's green or orange. If they need us and they want to join the team, we will allow them on the team, because we're not getting hung up in those kind of things by any means.
Speaker 1:I'm really glad you said that because I'm a tour director in Atlanta right now and we had a tournament last week and we had this discussion. I said look guys, we're not talking about all this other crap. People don't come here for that. They come here to play golf, for the fun, the fellowship, the camaraderie. This is the one day, the one time of the week we can just come and not worry about any of that stuff. So I don't care what you believe, just like you guys, I really don't care For me whether it's here or golf course. But when we're specifically at the golf course for tournament day, we're not doing that at all.
Speaker 4:We're a firm believer in that, a firm believer, and we know everybody's not an athlete, and so that's why we have Forest Park where we're not taking a child over to know what, until they can get the ball in the air. We have stop sets to Norwood and kick until they can get the ball in the air. You know we have stop sets and all the coaches know. All the coaches know when it's time to move them over and I just walk over to their parents and go hey, by the way, your son or your daughter is going to move them to Norwood. Start effective immediately. Then that's when they get more advanced and Norwood's members really, really, really like us there.
Speaker 4:Our kids have been hitting off for the Ascension Tournament for the last three years, been the lead ball striker, and so we're very involved with some really good sponsors. We really need more sponsors. The needs for the kids grow and I'll give you a perfect example, tim, is that my eight and nine-year-old I can get the junior clubs and those are donated by many just wonderful groups out there. But now in ninth grade something happens, and what happens? They get this growth spurt. Now they're five foot six and they need five foot eight, five foot nine. They need adult clubs at that point, and that's where the sponsorship dollars come in, because those are the clubs that we have to have for them to grow. And that's what I do on a continual basis is to find that that's not even perfect sponsor, but that's possible to help us with just that situation.
Speaker 1:Adam, you'll end up generating the $80,000 and pictures with Jack Nicklaus and Tom Watts.
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, that's a good way. We were honored at the Legends Breakfast, the Ascension Legends Breakfast, and they featured our kids, and Tom and Jack Nicklaus were there as the featured speakers. They donated clubs to us, amongst other things, and you know, I think I have a written agreement where I won't discuss amounts, some themes of that nature. But I'd like to say that many of the companies in there were very generous to our cause, especially the Gateway PGA, especially Ozzie Smith Foundation and others, so we make enough to to really really provide for what the kids need. Those needs change annually. I mean, now that we're traveling, those needs drastically change, and so my due diligence from the Diversity Golf Foundation is to find those sponsors and then assist the team managers in making sure that we have everything we need to get the kids training for our program, everything we need to get the kids trained for our program, everything we need, okay, so so let's. So it's no worry on the parents and no worry on on the kids itself.
Speaker 1:These individuals as they get older? Are you finding that they're helping in in some mentoring form for the younger players coming up? You know, kind of passing that on.
Speaker 4:Oh, guaranteed For sure, I mean. Well, the ones that are really good, they sort of help us coach, you know, kind of passing that on. Oh, guaranteed for sure, I mean. Well, the ones that are really good, they sort of help us coach, you know, and the kids love to see another kid who can really hit the ball coach, you know we have Prince Thomas.
Speaker 4:He quit the Clayton High School football team to come be, you know, to come play with us and enjoy. You know, he was a starting quarterback, for Christ's sake, and even from there, one of the athletic directors from that same school, her son's on our team. So what we're finding is that our golfers will be out anywhere and we play every course in St Louis. But if we find a kid that we know is in that 8 to 14-year-old range, our first question is what team do you play for? If they don't have a team? I'm looking for their mother and father and we're going to bring right to our team and help them get developed and help them find a home before they lose interest, Because a kid that's 19, 11, if they don't have another friend or person they can play with, they'll lose interest Absolutely when they come to us um.
Speaker 1:They have this, this family of golfers and we know they'll stay. Yeah, this is really awesome and and I don't want to gloss over some of the other things that you all are doing but you, you all, like you said earlier, you are also competing and and it's also good for them, for the youngsters to, to see that as well, because this is a game and we all know this that we can play till we're 70, 80 years old. God will, as long as he lets us play right. Sometimes it's, for most of us, right, it's a lifelong sport. For some people it's a means to an end. For some people it's a way to make a living. Those are few and far between, but for the majority of us it's a's a lifelong sport, endeavor, etc. And you all just played a couple weeks ago and and, earl, you just won a tournament last week, yeah, and got yeah.
Speaker 6:I think I've won four times this year. Yeah, yeah, I've won four times this year. Yeah, it was time he's finally out of my flight so I might get a chance now see again.
Speaker 1:for me, as a tour director, I I love it when guys get bumped up a flight, because that means that they're getting better. I mean you guys there's some guys you know they bitch moan and complain oh man, I got bumped up, you should be happy.
Speaker 6:Oh, I'm excited. You're getting better. Same thing in the next flight. I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and actually that A flight in st louis is that's, that's a pretty good flight.
Speaker 6:oh yeah, you got uh, albert, I mean delamater I mean he yeah, you got some long ball hitters in there, yeah you got some long ball hitters in there jc can play.
Speaker 1:I mean I know a lot of these guys.
Speaker 6:I mean yeah, all the team masters, all the team. Yeah, three team masters have won, uh, a flight this year. That's awesome. Three different team masters, so all the team masters have won the eighth flight this year. That's awesome. Three different team masters, so all the team masters have lands on the tournament. So, yeah, I mean, every week is a tournament for us. We play Saturday golf, travel to different tournaments all around the country. You know four or five tournaments all around and we do our Amtour stuff, you know. So, yeah, we love it and we chase tournaments for sure, and we chase just competing every week. We love it.
Speaker 1:That's awesome and, again, I really love what you guys are doing. Keep up the good work. Tell everybody. In St Louis I said hi, colin Dooley, I don't know if you ever hang out with Colin. If you want to laugh for like an hour straight, hang out with Colin Dooley. He's in the D flight and he actually won a couple weeks ago too. Okay, he may also be somebody who you may want to talk to in terms of helping you all out. I'll call him and tell him.
Speaker 6:I told him that yeah, yeah, so we actually got a couple guys from atlanta, so we've been talking about coming up there and participating too. So, fyi, you might be hearing from us up there anytime you want, you're always welcome all right, guys, I was just gonna.
Speaker 4:You know, we do have a website. Someone wanted to reach out to us. I'll provide it to you, but they you know my phone number. If it's okay, I can give that, and somebody wanted to talk more about that. They could. My phone number is 314-437-1906. 1906 and I'm the president of the team masters, if they want to talk to us about any kind of foundations or funding or helping out with the kids, I'd love to speak with them about that and thank you for having us.
Speaker 1:I'll put all that stuff in the show notes for everybody. I'll make sure that we get that out and get it promoted for you. Alright, guys? Thanks so much for joining us. I really do appreciate it. I love what you all are doing and hopefully we'll see you soon. Yep, thanks, tim, all right.
Speaker 6:Have a good day. All right, see, you have a great day.
Speaker 1:I want to thank AC and Earl for coming in and spend some time with us. What they're doing in St Louis and helping these kids and really growing the game is really important and they're doing a phenomenal job. Really important and they're doing a phenomenal job. But we also need to thank Tyler Tyler Cardwell, the tour director for for highlighting what they're doing and bringing to everybody's attention. Tyler's doing a great job in St Louis and there's good things going on there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, as we, as we've talked about before over and over again, we really have to get more diverse and younger for the game of golf and for tournament golf. You know, like what we're doing to be sustainable. And again, you know I really love seeing kids do well. You know, having a 14-year-old being a, you know, a four handicap or a single-digit handicap To me that's one of the best things in the world. You know we've had with the tour a history of kids. You know, coming to national championship and doing really well. You know, when I was a DC tour director, we had a 12-year-old who finished tied for first in the A flight. I lost the playoff On a technicality and that is what it is. And a couple years ago we had a 70 year old win the A flight and then the next year we had another 12 year old I think he was 12 who won the A flight national championship. And you know there's kids all over the country playing on the tour and to me that's really really great, it's good for them, it's good for the tour and to me that's really really really great, it's good for them, it's good for the tour and it's good for golf.
Speaker 1:But again back to AC and Earl Guys, keep up the good work and let us know if there's anything we can do to help. And you know, let's highlight some of these kids. They're doing great. But now let's transition and talk to rules and head over and talk to Roger, because we're still dealing with. You know how to play the ball out of penalty area, so let's go and talk to Roger and see what he's got to say. Roger, we didn't have you for a little bit and I think people have lost their minds Just over the last couple weeks. You know, in text messages back and forth between you, chris and I, we've all seemed to have had the same issues with with one, with one ruling. And that's where where you can take a drop for a for a hazard.
Speaker 7:Yep For penalty errors. I know you. I know you meant to say that.
Speaker 1:I did. It's frustrating sometimes. Why do you think people have so much trouble with this?
Speaker 7:You know the rule has not really changed at all in many, many years and I think it's just a misunderstanding. And you know it's hard to put a finger on it because it's been the same rule for so long that you'd think that folks would have the correct ruling by that. But I guess they never get down to the last option and that's the one that always throws people off. And that's that third option, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So just so everybody knows, in in the text messages that you and I had in a tournament where I had a player and the horse pro tell me that I was wrong and that they had done away with the equidistant rule, and I'd never heard of that. What is the equidistant rule, or what was it?
Speaker 7:Yeah, so actually it is still a rule, but now it's a local. So it's not unless it's instituted as a local rule, and that's you know. I always say when we do these interviews that I'm assuming there are no local rules and there's so many local rules so it used to be part of the regular rule, like it was one of the options. So an equidistant option. What you want to think about that is drawing an arc from the hole itself to where your ball crossed into the penalty area and then let's say it's, it's we're going to use and this is usually used for a water hazard like a pond or a lake or whatever it might be. You keep that arc going to the other side of the water area. And where is that? You know that same arc. You know a certain, you know that circle, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 7:You could drop on the other side of the penalty area at the same equidistant spot, and that is a local rule still. And think about this like I was thinking of a place at my course. You tee off and you hit a ball so far left over the penalty area and then it goes into the penalty area, the pond. Well, if you use the equidistant rule, you could still drop on your side of, say, the fairway or the penalty area, as opposed to having to cross over, like, go into the other adjoining fairway and drop on that spot. And this is a hard one to explain without seeing a picture of it. But the equidistant rule is one of those where you draw an arc and you're allowed to drop on the other side of the penalty area, usually upon lake or ditch, where it's um the same distance from the hole as the where it actually went in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm not even sure why you brought it up. Because now we're going to confuse people even more, because we've never. Yeah, we don't use that at all right, we don't.
Speaker 7:We don't have it as part of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah, you'd have to be institute, it'd have to be on the card as a local rule that's in place right, and then I guess more I'm just saying this off the top of my head more than likely individual tour director would would say that's out anyway and we're going to do the normal stuff yeah so go through. Can you go through and explain the options that?
Speaker 7:we have. So penalty area, that falls under rule 17. And you've got red penalty areas marked with red stakes and yellow penalty areas. And if a penalty area is not marked, let's say it's a pond ditch and it's not marked at all. The rules and this is in the book you have to assume it's a red penalty area. So I did just want to start off with that. So your first option is to play it as it lies and without a penalty stroke, within the penalty area and you don't get a penalty stroke.
Speaker 7:But the reason I mentioned that new golfers and even people that are on there, they know this as a penalty area. So they think, well, number one, well, I can't play it out of there, it's a penalty area. And that's not true. You can play it out of the penalty area. No, no penalty. And the other thing on that is people say, well, it's a penalty area, aren't I going to get a penalty stroke even if I play it out of there? Like, am I penalized for being in there? And the answer to that is no, you can. You can play it as it lies. And I know that scene might seem obvious to a lot of us that are experienced golfers, but I've gotten that question numerous times from new golf because it says penalty area. So you think okay, there's a penalty, does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Okay, there's a penalty.
Speaker 7:Does that make sense? Yes, oh, yeah, yeah, okay. So your first option is to so this is under again, rule 17-1, and then you have a couple of options. So red and yellow, okay. Stroke and distance, that's your first option. Or whether it's in a red or yellow penalty area, and that basically just means you take a penalty stroke and you go back to where you originally played that ball and if that ball happened to be from the tee box, you can tee it up again. No, you know that's, but you're under one stroke penalty. If you hit that ball from the fairway or the rough, you go back to that spot and if you don't know the identical spot, you estimate it and you drop there under one stroke penalty. So that's red and yellow.
Speaker 7:Second option back on the line relief. That's the thing where I always say and this is the one that you texted me about back on the line relief, that's for red or yellow or red. You can do that with red as well, and that's the one that throws people off. That you can still use. Back on the line relief for a red penalty area. The only thing about if you do that you can't drop your ball within the same penalty area. Let's say it's a curvy penalty area, something like that. You can't drop within the same pair but you can go back as far as you like and that's back on the line. Relief it's called. And that's the thing where I always say and I think it's just easy to picture tie a rope around the bottom of the hole, back through where your ball last entered the penalty area and go back on that line, on that string as far as you like.
Speaker 7:You could go back five yards, you can go back 50 yards, you can go back 200 yards if you want and find yourself the best spot. You know a lot of players use that because they have. You know they like to play from a certain distance. So they might like to play from 100 yards. So they find a spot 100 yards behind that penalty area, or they, you know, 150 yards. That's their favorite shot. So you're allowed to do that, totally within the rules. Another example I've given you know you might have five yards from where it went in that penalty area with back on the first line release, but maybe that five yards is on a deep slope, severely sloped. So maybe you go back 25 yards and it's on a nice flat place in the fairway. So that's totally within the rules. You know people say, oh, you're taking advantage of the rules. No, you know the rules and use them as they are written. So that's totally within the rules.
Speaker 7:And then our third option and this is for red penalty areas only is lateral relief, and that's two club lengths from where it entered the penalty area. So you get two club lengths no closer to the hole. But a lot of people ask me well, why is there even that rule? And I was thinking about this, and I'm thinking of a hole that most of us know. Hilton had, number 18 at Harbortown. You see off, it's the ocean on your left, the whole side, right, right.
Speaker 7:So how could you use back on the liner leaf? Basically, what would that be? You'd have to drop in England, I guess, if you wanted to go behind that water hazard. There's no place to drop behind the water, right behind that penalty area. Uh, think of a course at your home course, maybe. There's a wide river or whatever. You can't drop behind that penalty area. There's no place. So, other than stroke and distance. And if you just hit the ball 250 yards up into that penalty area, you don't want to go back 250 yards so you find the place where it last entered the penalty area and you get two club length relief laterally if it's a red penalty state. So your options are play it as it lies, stroke in distance back on the line relief or, for a red penalty area, two club length lateral hazard relief. Those are your options.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you explained it that way because you know, when I texted you that scenario, the back on line relief wasn't an option where we were, it wasn't an option pretty much on any hole, and I said that. And then I was getting a pushback from it and I said first off, let's not even bother talking about it because nobody's going to use that. Yeah, let's just let it go.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I told you, but the very next day the player who was challenging me on that came back to me and told me again that I was wrong oh, geez and I showed him the USGAF has a diagram, right, right, and I actually pulled up the diagram and and he looked at it says I don't think that's right oh that and he was a former pretty tough he was.
Speaker 7:He's a former rules official oh golly I I know and I that that's really bad I'm just showing you.
Speaker 1:I can't, I don't. If you don't understand I can't, I don't know what to tell you feel free to put him in touch with roger.
Speaker 7:He's, I'll help him out. Yeah, um, but yeah, you know a lot of people. You know when it's so. We use penalty areas for a lot more than just water now and, and I think you know, a good example is big woods. There's no way you're going to want to go back on the line relief into the woods. That's why you really need to pick one of the other options.
Speaker 5:Right right.
Speaker 7:Yeah.
Speaker 5:And then last week.
Speaker 7:That's probably the number one question I get asked, all you know, over and over and over.
Speaker 1:Yeah and last week. Chris has texted us about blue steaks and over and over yeah and last week chris has texted us about blue stakes.
Speaker 7:I'm like that. Oh yeah, I I did find some posts on blue, like it's often used for ground under repair or something, but there's nothing in the rules about not not formally about blue stakes that you could use. Yeah, I thought he was messing with us at first, Right right. There actually were posts about it, but it's just like somebody wants to use Blue Stakes. That's up to them for that kind of thing, but there's nothing in the rules about Blue Stake.
Speaker 1:Right, it could be a Texas thing, I don't know. But anyway, you went to play and got rained out. What happened there?
Speaker 7:Yeah, and then they rescheduled it. It was a big tournament, so I think they had like 168 in a morning shotgun and an afternoon shotgun, but they did reschedule for the next Friday.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 7:And I'm happy to say I didn't come in last place when I came close. I'm waiting for my handicapped to drop. I mean to go up so I can switch flights, but it was still great. It ended up being a real nice day the next Friday that we played.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Yeah, have you played other than that.
Speaker 7:Just playing my regular Friday night league and Tuesday night league, and Tuesday night is still we're in third place out of 12 teams and we've got the play place out of 12 teams and, um, we've got, uh, the plate. That the funny thing is, the team that's in fourth place, which we might play in like the playoffs, is all made up of tour players, like our golf week amateur tour players. So that's going to be great because my team is just it's eight, eight, eight or ten guys that are just random guys. So we're out, we're out to get them, I hope that's awesome though, I mean, and it's all match plays.
Speaker 7:There are different forms of match play. They're just random guys, so we're out to get them.
Speaker 1:I hope that's awesome, though, and it's all match play. There are different forms of match play, so it's a lot of fun. Yeah, I really do like playing match play when I was playing it, because that, to me, is you can have a bad hole and it's okay, you just get it back on the next one. So I really like that.
Speaker 7:For sure, you know, while we're on that real fast and we won't extend this too long. So something did come up in the last time and then it came up twice when you and so I will say this this Tuesday night league we do play by the rules, but it's also, it's friendly competition, so we don't really, you know, you can enforce some things. So we had a player that we conceded both the opposing team, they both had basically the same putt and one guy could have given a read to the guy that was a little closer. But if a team concedes the farther away putt the other, that the they cannot play that ball anymore. He's not allowed to putt Once you concede it if it gives the other team an advantage, and in this case the second player would have seen the line if he proceeded to putt.
Speaker 7:And that came up twice and I was asked that after the round by another group. I said we conceded the putt and then he still played it. I said yeah, that's not allowed. Or if he does putt it, that player's putt is what's going to count and the other player's ball would not count. And it's only if the other player can gain an advantage and the example, I'm giving he's getting advantage because he sees the line of the putt Right.
Speaker 7:So that's kind of a good one to know. That is If it's a serious competition. So I will play that. I will enforce that rule against the other tour group next week if we're playing with the playoff, Don't you worry. Mike Grant, Andy Grant.
Speaker 1:So they're put on notice.
Speaker 7:That's right, put them on.
Speaker 1:So you playing any other tour events coming up soon yeah, I'm gonna play both.
Speaker 7:I got two tour event. We're doing back-to-back single day events, uh, in a couple of weeks, so I've signed up for both of those, and now those are the two last single day events before the our tour has their season finale. That's awesome, uh, yeah, so I'm looking forward to that yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's hard to believe that it's August already and the season's just about over.
Speaker 7:I know, yeah, can't believe it. Yeah, I'm glad I've played, uh, some other events. Um, and I'm playing in a couple of uh, uh what do you call it? Benefit events coming up too, so those are coming up as well. But, yeah, I'm looking forward to my back-to-back events Awesome.
Speaker 1:All right, roger, thanks so much for educating us again, and I'm hoping that this will be the last time we have to talk about this, but my guess is we'll be revisiting this soon.
Speaker 7:I think you're right about that. Thank you, tim. Thanks very much. All right, bud Take care, always appreciate it. All right, bye now.
Speaker 1:All right, chris, you know I'm again. Roger does a phenomenal job of making things simple and easy to understand, and I never should have even asked that first question about you know what the equidistant rule is. I'm sure all that's going to do is confuse people, so that's on me. But again, roger did a great job.
Speaker 2:You know explaining that as well, and I'm really hoping that this is the last time that we have to have this discussion on how to play penalty areas. You know it may be the last time, but I think it's something that we always need to revisit because if we don't, people are going to always ask us questions, Even even. I feel like I get more questions about the color of the stakes from champion a players than I do from BC and D. I mean, it's just, it's nonstop with these guys and they're the ones that you would think would play more golf or know more rules.
Speaker 1:You would think that they would know it, but you play these courses that have, you know, funky colored stakes. I mean, you played a course with blue stakes a couple weeks ago. Yes, what's that all about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, at our two-day major we played a course where I mean we're almost done with this round. Okay, there's like we're on the third to last hole in a shotgun start. And I know this group's right in front of us too, which is crazy, because nobody else texts me all day long about this. I got texts that says, hey, there's blue stakes on the left side of hole I guess I think it was hole number three, where the maintenance carts are or the maintenance area is. What do we? What do we? Play it as? I'm like, what do you mean? Blue stakes? Like, yeah, like blue stakes. Never seen it before in my life. They're not white, they're not yellow, they're not red. I'm like, well, I mean I'm, I end on that hole, so I'll have to look at it when I get there.
Speaker 2:And then they proceed to say okay well, we were just curious because we called the course and they said it was out of bounds, so they already knew the ruling. So why are you calling me Right? And I said, okay, well, in that case, play two balls, we'll figure it out in 10 minutes, when I'm done with my round. And, uh, sure enough, I drive up there and I mean we're dry. I hit my ball to the right so I wasn't going to go there. But I go, hey, drive to the left real quick. I kind of want to see these blue stakes. Yeah, yeah, we drive over there and clearly you can tell it's ob I mean there's a huge shed okay, yeah, I mean it's.
Speaker 2:It's an open area right, there's no fence, but there's blue stakes, a huge warehouse for the maintenance carts and the tractors and all of that, and I'm like come on guys like you really asked me this question.
Speaker 2:So we finished the the round and we go back in and I mean I can't even get off my cart quick enough for them to run up to me and ask me what the rolling is and I'm like, well, the course told you it's out of bounds. I'm going to say it's out of bounds because it's a maintenance area and he's like, okay, cool, because I'm going to change it from a birdie to a double bogey. Well, sorry, it's day one nothing to do about it and they're like okay.
Speaker 2:So you're sure I'm like, well, yeah, and the course said that. And when you google blue stakes, even ai was confused on what blue stakes were in golf. So we're going to go in and go without a bounce. So that was that. But blue stakes have never. I never thought I'd have. And then to make it even funnier is later on we're talking about it or we're all sitting down.
Speaker 2:You know how you sit down with your members and you chat and whatever, and two C fighters were like, yeah, we went in there and we figured it was blue stakes or figured it was out of bounds because it was the maintenance area. So we went back and hit. I'm like why, why are? My C fighters here Like, flighters here like okay with it, and my a flighters are like well, what is it actually?
Speaker 1:well, because, yeah, blue steaks, they didn't want to take.
Speaker 2:The double bogey is what it is probably, and they wanted the skin because it was a hard hole. But uh, so then I I I text two very wise gentlemen and ask them hey, have you ever heard of blue steaks? And one of them says what do you say? I think it's for werewolves or it might be vampires. And I was like, well, that answers that question.
Speaker 1:What did I say? Oh my goodness, what did.
Speaker 2:I say that's exactly what you said.
Speaker 1:I said, I think blue steaks are for vampires, maybe werewolves, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And I immediately responded with that. So that's a no.
Speaker 1:Sorry man.
Speaker 2:Well, no, but like I said, I think you know it's great that we're touching it now. It might be a quarterly thing where you have to bring it up because people forget and it gets hot out there. I understand, you know you're thirsty, you're tired, it's you're quenched, you're thirsty, you're tired.
Speaker 1:It's the easiest way to just ask, unless it's red, white or yellow, probably out of bounds. Yeah, and when you text me, we were literally just wrapping up and I just got in the car to head home from Torment.
Speaker 2:That's hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway. Well, hopefully that's, that's, that's settled now, and they you know these, these guys will will pass along blue stakes is out of bounds. But seriously though, the how to play penalty areas is is one of the most basic, basic, uh, things that the guys should know. And what I'm going to do in the show notes is I'm going to post the picture that's in the USGA rule book. That really does kind of it's a visual and hopefully that can aid people.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think at this point you know we have technology with us that we could look at it pretty quickly. But I think if just having you know, either knowing the rule or having a rules book in your bag, sometimes just helps go a long ways exactly.
Speaker 1:And again, you don't have to if you're not really sure you know it doesn't. It doesn't have to be an argument on the course either right, just announce I'm playing two balls.
Speaker 2:Here's what my second ball marking is. And play one 90% of the time it's going to be the same score, which is outrageous how that happens.
Speaker 1:Right, Unless it's a double bogey or a birdie. I mean that.
Speaker 2:Unless it's that, yeah, yeah. So what are the odds?
Speaker 1:So now I'm thinking about it. If it's a hard hole, he hit it way over there. How many guys name did he make?
Speaker 2:birdie. From that it's a par five. Wow, I mean it must've been an impressive shot.
Speaker 1:Had to have been.
Speaker 2:For a tap in birdie.
Speaker 1:Maybe his third shot wasn't really good, right, you know anyway. Well, that's that, so's. Uh, there's all. There's always something let's talk about mick, because mick is, mick is. We're actually recording this portion of it on saturday and, um, mick sent me a text that he's they're on their way to another tournament today, so we're gonna have two Mick updates in this episode.
Speaker 2:He's just gotta do better oh no, yeah, he, he's one for one so far since our last episode yeah.
Speaker 1:So they went down to the regional in Virginia Beach, which, again, if you've not ever been and played that, that course that's something you should. You should be thinking about for next year. But history went down there and and Mick one, I mean, for if that's what we're going to go with, I mean technically.
Speaker 2:Technically, yes, he is the winner, but not of the tournament.
Speaker 1:No, you know. I told him. I said you know number one you're going to run out of wall space.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you got to give other people a chance to win the flag. I mean you can't, you can't win all of them.
Speaker 2:Right. I mean, I don't know. I think it's a great idea, but I would be so crushed if I keep winning as much as he is like at one point. I'm just gonna be if I have too many flags like let's share. Let's share the wealth exactly, and see. Now it's making me feel bad because since we've had him on, he's three for four. I don't want him to think that we're the bad luck.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know. In the video he sent on his way to the course with the guys, they're predicting their scores and he predicted he's going to have the highest score. So I don't know if he's planning this, who knows, or what? Mick you got to do better bud. So I don't know if he's planning this, or who knows, or what Mick you got to do better bud. Let somebody else win the flash, Maybe he understands his body too well.
Speaker 1:Okay, that could be. We'll look at that. Go ahead and play the recording from the regional.
Speaker 5:Hey, tim and Chris. This is Mick, after, as Sean Farris and Phil Poole from the Columbus Tour just finished up the Virginia regional national two-day event. Great event, great people, and of course there's a flag London. Mick won the fucking flag by one stroke. I shouldn't say fucking Mick, the fucking flag by one stroke. I shouldn't say fucking Mick won the flag by one stroke.
Speaker 1:Sean, I had a medium by one, and Phil beat this vote by four, and then we'll play the recording for today.
Speaker 5:Tim, chris, this is Mick and the crew from Columbus and we've finished up our round in Denison. Mick did not win the flag. Sean did you win the flag? I didn't win the flag. Sean came in second place. Phil did you win the flag? No, I did not. But Phil, what should we do? Eat more, walleye. Charlie won the flag. You're dead.
Speaker 1:One thing I think we need to do you know at National Championships at Thursday for registration is we need to do you know at national championships at Thursday for for registration is we need to get their whole crew have that, have that whole crew.
Speaker 2:That'd be fun. That'd be fun, and, um, maybe we'll just get a flag for Mitch and just say hey, just in advance, you can focus on your round. Let's just give it to you now. I mean if, if he keeps up with the trend, there's nothing we can do about it at that point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so after today they've only got three tournaments left. They've got two-day at Cumberland Trail on August 24th 25th, then they're at Darby Creek on September 8th and they close out at Jefferson Golf Country Club on September 23rd. So good for them.
Speaker 2:I mean the only one that he didn't win the flag. He won the tournament.
Speaker 1:Yes, so good for them, I mean the only one that he didn't win the flag. He won the tournament. Yes, so he's winning.
Speaker 2:He's winning each event, but we need to kind of, we need to go on the higher end of that win.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about the shirt contest We've got. Voting for July ends here on the 15th Yep. August is the last month. So if you haven't submitted your shirts for August yet, please do that. You know we're down to the last I don't know two and a half weeks, almost three weeks, to submit and then there's going to have to be a quick turnaround on the August voting and getting them up.
Speaker 1:I agree so the August voting, and then you and I rank it. Yeah Right, maybe for the August voting. And then you and I rank it.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, maybe for the August we do something crazy and random draw, or you and me pick the August winner.
Speaker 1:Nah, let's let them vote. I mean, we've got.
Speaker 2:You know me, I throw wrenches and everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, what it'll have to be a quick vote and then it'll be like one week per round for voting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's, that's you know for, for the bracket style it's, it's got to be one week.
Speaker 2:So it's it you're going to have to be active on social media and sharing posts and getting people to like it, and all of that good stuff.
Speaker 1:Yep, absolutely, absolutely so. So get them in and you know for, for the July shirt contest, we we got a lot, a lot of entries.
Speaker 2:We do, we do, which was great to see. I think I texted you one night randomly and was just shocked on how much we had for that Right, right and we've got. Um, we do have some, some familiar faces on there, but uh, it's just good to see some new faces out there exactly like seeing it.
Speaker 1:Let's just say roger. So outside of christian and shaggy, mitch betters has submitted before, which is good. Uh, mick. Here's what I don't understand. We talk about mick a lot and he's he's not getting very many votes. Maybe people think he has flags he doesn't need.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Doesn't need shirts. Doesn't need shirts too, but anyway, you got Stephanie, who's one of yours, put in a shirt. But Roger, right now, roger of the new entries, roger's leading everybody from the new entry which is good.
Speaker 2:Maybe people are mad at him because he's the rules guy and he's giving us all the rules.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe, maybe.
Speaker 2:I mean and honestly, like I've looked at the other people's pages and they're promoting it and asking people to vote for them. So it's good to see because it's getting some traction out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's good to see. I like Stephanie's shirt and she's with the Cal when you guys were up at Tupac yep, yep, tupac Shakur but you got to tell your brother full body shirts, full body. I got to tell Mitch same thing, roger, people don't want to see your face, they want to see the shirt his arms.
Speaker 2:His arms aren't long enough to make a full body.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, but you know one of the things I did at our last tournament. I tell you this the guys that, who I thought had good shirts, I just took pictures. I said look here, let me take a picture, take a group shot. I sent them the link and said here, submit this, you want to win free entry.
Speaker 2:Spice it up already, Get them going.
Speaker 1:Man Well, we already have one entry for you want to win free entry, spice it up already.
Speaker 2:Get going, man well, we already have one entry for August do we and I'm curious on if those are margaritas or lemonade or if I'm just have issues I need to get addressed now could be, could be could be what yes, margaritas, and you need oh, that's the one I took, that's Steve that is margaritas or lemons, I think.
Speaker 1:I think it's both.
Speaker 2:I do like the green shorts though.
Speaker 1:So what kind of tournaments you got going on.
Speaker 2:This month I have two single day events One of my favorite courses in town, another one at a semi-private course in Las Cruces, and then we head out to TPC and I come back and do my final at two of the toughest desert courses in the area. So, being that I am a tour of two, two cities that are literally 30 miles apart maybe I felt this year and I'm trying something new and hopefully it catches that I do day one in el paso and day two in las cruces okay or vice.
Speaker 2:You know, next year it'll flip right and it doesn't give the advantage to just the El Paso guys. If it's just birthdays, el Paso or the Las Cruces guys like it, it makes you have to figure out what you're going to do that that night in between, right? So, um, we'll see how. We'll see how people like it or not. I mean flight, don't come because I need the points, but, um, no, I'm just kidding. Come to the event, have fun. We'll have a good time at. It's called red hot golf club, which is usually in the top three in the state. Okay for public courses, tough course, very tough. Um, and then that'll be it for the season. I can't believe it's already the end of the season I know like it's.
Speaker 2:You know, as as us, when we're putting in registrations and all that and the beginning of the season. I know like it's, you know, as as us, when we're putting in registrations and all that and the beginning of the season, you just see the list and you're like, okay, it's. You know, as you keep going, it's kind of hard to find the tournaments because they all scrambled in there and at the end you just scroll all the way down like right, here we go exactly. We're at that point now where you I can't believe it's already in the season. I don't want it to be the end of the season, but uh, you know it is what it is. I'm just looking for the end of the season and the nationals and then there's gonna be a lot of fun things this offseason that I can't wait to announce um to my guys okay, well, awesome a couple different things.
Speaker 2:One once each month, you know there you keep them on their toes engaged exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as always, guys. Thanks so much for all support and and listening. If you have any questions or have a story you want to tell everybody you know, issue us an email or you know you can hit that button on the website and it sends a message directly to us, and you can email me at timnatc, at amateurgolftournet or Chris.
Speaker 2:At elpaso, at amateurgolftournet.
Speaker 1:Awesome, and please don't forget to like, subscribe, download and leave us a review. The reviews and the five stars really kind of help us, you know, in growing the podcast. But again, thanks so much for everything that you all do and I guess we'll talk to you next time. Anything else, Chris.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I mean, have fun out there. Remember your hazard stakes and what they mean and all those fails. Play two balls.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 2:Let your directors figure it out at the end of your round.
Speaker 1:All right, buddy, you take care, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, have a good one.
Speaker 7:Thank you.
