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Crypto Expert: "Koop GEEN Bitcoin Meer!" Deze Dingen Over Geld Worden Je Niet Verteld! | Robert Nass
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If America is in a crisis, the whole world is in a crisis, of course, and we're going to have the biggest financial crisis in human history In 2008,. It was already very exciting. Then they started with money creation, money printing.
Speaker 2:Today with me Robert Nass, who, after his last visit, didn't stay quiet. In addition to leading his supplement company, Amplifier, he also directs the private investment group Quantum Age Capital.
Speaker 1:Put your money where your mouth is. That's the boom market.
Speaker 2:We discuss the risks and opportunities of digital currencies, meme coins and NFTs, and also look at the dangers of microplastics. Does our country do enough of that? You'll find out in this episode of the Shoulders.
Speaker 1:I sold all my crypto last week. I think it's going to drop a lot.
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Speaker 2:Hey, Daan, is your girlfriend a house interior a house architect yes, certainly, yes, she wants, she could do it very well for herself. But yes, she is still working full-time. Het heel goed voor de zelf kunnen. Maar ja, ze zitten nu nog is gewoon, voelt hem aan het werk. Maar zoals je gemerkt hebt, ze zitten op. Laten we daarop houden, ziet het goed uit zijn gefeliciteerd. Thanks man ja super blij mee, sinds we vuist en ook jullie podcast opgenomen.
Speaker 1:Dus ja, echt tof man blij mee, absoluut hey daar jij bent volgens mij een beetje de gemiddelde crypto retail belegger. Ja, crypto bitcoin wat gaat het doen? Gaat omhoog naar beneden. Het is nu een beetje zakkende, maar You're the average crypto retail investor Crypto Bitcoin.
Speaker 2:What's it going to do? Is it going up or down? It's a bit down now, but I expect to rise. But I'm curious what your view is on that. Why do you think it's going to rise? I'm not in it. Look, I have my money in it Purely for the long term, to not have it on the bank but in depth. I'm not have it on the table but in terms of in-depth I'm not in it like you are in it, of course, but because I see online it's now all-time high. You see it everywhere. It's a bit of that hype. It's going to be the coming years. I have the idea that it's going to increase, but I'm curious what your view is on that.
Speaker 1:How did you build your portfolio? Did you inherit something from your father?
Speaker 2:No, no, I earned everything myself man Okay, yes, and what does your portfolio look like at the moment? I started in 2020 with business. At a certain point, I started earning money through e-commerce.
Speaker 2:And then at a certain point, I made some money in crypto. I had Bitcoin, ethereum, dia. I also used that coin and that actually man, I used it very generally. I eventually stepped into Dia Because I noticed that, and Cardano I also used, by the way. Yeah, it gave me. I'm really someone who likes to build on something instead of putting my money somewhere and reading what it's going to do on the basis of graphics. So I always just it didn't interest me in the sense that I really wanted to dive deep into what I could do best with my money, so I just put some things on the save, which, for me at that moment, was save and was and that's what I have. That was safe for me at that moment and that's what I have. For the rest, not very much.
Speaker 1:Okay, and in the last three months it has gone down by about 60% on average, everything except Bitcoin, but that Bitcoin is still high. Do you have more of that?
Speaker 2:Yes, actually 75-80%, oh nice.
Speaker 1:I sold all my crypto last week why I think it's going to drop really hard. Yeah, no, no, certainly not. No, no, no, absolutely not. More importantly, the last year, the American government touched its debt ceiling. They had 31 million dollar in debt and then they said what are we going to do now? Are we going to stop that ceiling that we have agreed with each other that we cannot go through? Are we going to stop that and spend more money? Are we going to stop printing with money so we can no longer pay the bills for the civil servants in America? That would mean that it would be a failure.
Speaker 1:Or we just make sure that that rule is not there in the coming time and then we do that until January 1, 2025. If we do that that rule is not there, we can just print extra money and then we look 1 January 2025 again. That's what they did and they have in a year time. They have 10% of the total amount of dollars they have printed. So it is then from 31 million million so 31 trillion dollars. It has gone so 31 trillion dollars. It went to 34 trillion dollars, but now it is what date?
Speaker 2:So what date is it? June 25th? It's June 25th 2024.
Speaker 1:So we're in the summer of 2025, and January 1st 2025, we're going to reach that ceiling again, or at least that rule is going to come again, but that money that keeps being pushed and those debts also only keep going up. So in six months, we will have another big problem or they decide to stop with the rule for the coming period and we are going to add more money, or we are going to increase it and we can add more money, or we have no more money and we can no longer pay the bills, so we are bankrupt. That morphine infusion, as I sometimes call it, that money injection in that system. They keep going with that, together with the interest, which probably also goes further down, making their debts less and less. So, the higher the interest, the more interestyou would have to pay for the debt. Well, it can go down.
Speaker 1:And now I'm looking at okay, where would I put the money that I have built up the best in the past? Yes, and then I think it's a bitcoin of always 21 million and never more. The higher Bitcoin goes, the more it will attract other things, so I see it going up a lot in the coming time.
Speaker 2:How is that possible? Because you're talking about, at some point they will be declared bankrupt, but look, they already have so much money in the mint. To what extent is it so that they are not bankrupt then, because they already have so many millions, billions of euros in the mint? What is the cap that it is really a piece of bankruptcy for them, and what kind of influence does that have directly on that crypto market?
Speaker 1:What that would mean is that they literally can't pay the salaries of those civil servants, so all those people who work for the government anymore.
Speaker 2:And how? In what way is that going to promote the crypto market? What kind of direct influence does that have on that?
Speaker 1:What do you mean?
Speaker 2:You say the American state is not going to be able to pay civil servants anymore. I see the numbers you were talking about. They are only increasing in bad terms, to put it that way. That's why I sold my crypto and want to play into that again. What kind of influence do those have on the crypto market?
Speaker 1:The consequence is that if America is in a defeat, the whole world is in a defeat and we are going to have the biggest financial crisis in human history, and we had that in 1928, 1929, in that big, real big crisis. Then in 2008, it was, of course, already very exciting, and then they started with money creation. So, from nothing, create something, the money printer. And now everything is only going further and further up and up, and the higher it goes, the harder it can go down.
Speaker 2:Don't you have the feeling because when I see those articles read and new or see past life, don't you have the feeling that the past five, six, maybe ten years, that every year is said and that every time more and more money is added? Yes, certainly.
Speaker 1:And then the question is how long can that continue?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's the question, and until now, more and more money is added every time. Inflation is still relatively low. Of course it's super expensive €4 or €40 for a cup of coffee but in Turkey or in that kind of country you're just going to double per year. We haven't had that here yet.
Speaker 2:No, I always find that special special how that works, because I can't understand to what extent money can be added to me. The interest rates are getting higher and higher and that money is becoming less and less worth it and that you have to pay more and more for a cup of coffee or a beer in the pub or I don't know whatever. But the crazy thing is, everyone says I can pay for it. They don't want to pay for it. But if I walk through the city in the Hague on a random Tuesday evening and it's 15 degrees, it's a little nice weather and the sun is shining, everything is full of people, while those restaurants are not cheap either. If I look at a beach tent here in Scheveningen, you can see what happens there with a beer you have to pay for.
Speaker 2:I recently sat with the owner of a beach tent in Kijkduim and he also said it's not that we want it or that we make more profit, but if we don't raise those prices, we just won't get out. Because the minimum wage goes up, also for children who are 16, 17, 18. Who want to work a minimum hourly rate. The purchase becomes fucking expensive. It becomes more and more expensive If we only want to keep a single cent on what we sell. On a beach tent where they are also super dependent on the weather, such as the past four weeks, which beach tent has been doing really well then we have to raise those prices because it can't be otherwise.
Speaker 1:That's special, it's strange that it's always being pushed through. That's the effect. Because money becomes cheaper, so products and services become more expensive. But people also have more money because they earn more. There's more money in circulation and the economy is booming. Look around you. These are the best times that man has ever known.
Speaker 2:Yes 100%. I'm curious to see you. You've been active in the crypto world for years. Why is it so important for you and other people who listen to this to have your money in a crypto wallet at such times and to have a large part of your wealth there, so that you are less dependent on that economy? What is the biggest drive behind that for you?
Speaker 1:Well, it's, of course, a piece of securing the future. You want to have bread on the table in the future. You want to have a roof over your head in the future. You want to be able to provide your wife with safety in the future, and you do that through the money you have through working or, as I say, through investing. You want to put that in a safe way that it becomes more valuable and not less. Then you have, once in a while on the stock exchange, something that is speculative, so that becomes less valuable and becomes more valuable.
Speaker 1:Where you can invest. You have certain assets that are interesting in a certain time. So in the 2000s you had the internet shares and now you have the blockchain. You had the internet shares and now you have the blockchain shares, the AI shares and, of course, I also think that it is a bubble that can go down again soon, especially all those other things next to crypto. But as long as there is a lot of money and there is a shortage in the product where you can invest in, it is just one of the most beautiful investment objects to be busy with and focus on.
Speaker 2:And what makes it so interesting for you. Is it really that long term investment with the cash flow that is generated? Is it for you, maybe a little more short term trade within that crypto? What is the one thing you feel you are focused on? To let that power for yourself to render Look.
Speaker 1:I've been doing it for more than ten years now, day and night with me, so I can sit on it myself. But then you can divide it a bit in the long term Investing, short-term trade, and when we are in the phase where we are now Such a bull market, if that goes up hard. And when we're in the phase where we're in such a bull market, if that goes up hard, then there are so many different opportunities around where you can also put your money in. So we had the last time we had the group we bought Bitcoin poppers and that's NFTs, and those things went from I don't know a few hundred dollars, went 40, 50 thousand dollars per piece. Then we sit there with all of us buy a lot of it and it is so absurdly much.
Speaker 1:A lot of money is made, but of course it goes up fast and now they are worth something like 10,000 or so. So, because I am doing a lot of it and that, and together with that group, with that community that I have, we're working all day in that Discord, we're analyzing things. What's interesting, do I throw something in that group? Okay, yeah, I would also do that. We all go in there. That's where so many opportunities come through that. I'm just doing that in the short term.
Speaker 2:Is that also? If you're in such a hype, can that also bring certain dangers that have an influence on the market, which is then very speculative or becomes the danger is that you don't make any profit.
Speaker 1:But if that were the worst, then that's fine, of course. But, dan, wouldn't you like to just go full in all your savings in a meme coin?
Speaker 2:I do have a high risk-price ratio. So if you say that I always think what could it offer me? But look, I would like to do it. But then I really have to look for sure you never do. But I have to know where that is from under construction, say that is also really from someone like you, an expert in that crypto world. I would really have to know to make the right choice in it, apart from the fact that I have high risk-savings. But yes, if I do that, blind myself, what I have done in the past with crypto, then I can already see that it will go down quickly.
Speaker 1:But it's not to do as an outsider to invest in those meme coins. It's that we really have Intel guests in that group who know exactly about the hood or the edge. They've been in the game for years, they work at exchanges and then we get information that this is now interesting for the founder of D&D. I talked to them and they're going to put this on, so you can sit well with that, but otherwise it's just even harder than the casino. Yes, literally.
Speaker 2:Giving away the casino.
Speaker 1:Yes, then we make thousands of that coin or something a day.
Speaker 2:How do you look at it? What I see, what I also see a lot you see from the influence also now free trading groups, crypto groups and I know that all of that. You see a lot of that coming by, but those guys who get an extra amount for that have no idea how they themselves put crypto money at all yes what is your look at it? Why, on, how, on that kind of call that they say we jump in?
Speaker 2:here now and that we then all their savings go to the Crap. How do you look at it?
Speaker 1:Yes, own guilt fat ass. Yes, right, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:How do you try to look? Because you are in the middle of that. In that world you are the expert on what. You have all People around you in your network who speak to that owner, who are with that person, who are behind those meme coins. How are you there with quantum so short that you make sure that if you do a call that you are as good as sure that he will actually make that move?
Speaker 1:yes, I do not believe that, that. I do not really believe that that exists. My last calls they did not go very well either you are, of course. Yes, if they had a glass of beer, then the portfolio would have been something bigger than it is now. So it's taking a risk and it's being willing to be alone and being afraid of mistakes. So you have to be able to put yourself outside the crowd and by taking that risk, by standing alone outside the rest, you can probably buy something cheap.
Speaker 2:And that's because of the network you've built up over the past few years, among other things.
Speaker 1:Well, yes, so also because you know that if I now follow the masses, if you follow such a cult, then you're probably with a lot of others, and then you already know by salary that you're going to pay a too expensive price. Okay, do you understand?
Speaker 2:what I'm saying. Yes, yes, yes, certainly 100%. Because, yes, the more people jump on it, the greater the chance that everyone will know and that it will also have a greater return on investment.
Speaker 2:of course that's logical. Yes, I understand. Okay, hey, robert. What I'm curious about is we recorded a podcast about a year ago a little less than a year, I think it was still at the other location where we of course, also went deeper into your personal story, how you came to well, pine poles, what is here on the table with amplifier. From there you were really still with amplifier a bit in the construction phase that was really still growing at that moment, that nice momentum. You were that gas pedal because, stepping in now you also notice online that you are going to make more and more of that switch to the quantum in which you with your crypto expertise.
Speaker 2:Others also helps to build up power in that way within the crypto world. Where is that for you, that turning point again, to go there again, your focus on switching look and play.
Speaker 1:That is that is. Amplify is a company where I was driving capitalism with an activist eye. So I have a business model where I have a product with which I can earn money that provides added value to the world, and the idea was to sell as many products as possible to be able to spend as much money on marketing. The more money I spend on marketing, the more people know about the problem of the pollution of microplastics. There were a number of big polluters .3M, gemoers, gemelot in the Netherlands. They were not allowed to do that in other countries. They were even banned in America, but they had contracts with the Dutch government to be able to produce it in the Netherlands but also to be able to dump it, among other things, the waste. The remaining waste could be dumped in the Maas, where more than 60 percent of our drinking water is made of. With that, in my opinion, quite a successful campaign was launched. A lot of awareness was created and that resulted in the fact that there were legal cases against those companies and they lost that on a national level and recently also on a European level, and that has made sure that that PVO-S material cannot be made made from 2025. So the mission is
Speaker 1:accomplished. In addition, the product is running very well. I don't spend any more money on marketing costs, but the turnover is fantastic. Internal customer rate of 80% plus. The product is great. It's here but it's half the price. I still use it and it continues. Cashflow, cash cow, great. But again on to the next challenge and especially for myself, where I get pleasure from, where I get pleasure from being alone and dare to sit wrong, where I just talked about what I think, where I get the most, most energy from by taking a certain standpoint in advance, to stand up to it and also to stay there and put your money where your mouth is. That is now bull market. So I happened to have started a year ago with the, with the crypto community. That was also exactly the start of that bull market and, of course, very consciously done because at that moment to start and therefore now a lot of time and exposure to give yes, I think that with you super fascinating.
Speaker 2:Also, what you said in the first podcast is fascinating. At some point you saw that microplastics are a problem for testosterone. You were the first in the Netherlands to confirm that and do something with it. Are you now looking for something else apart from the crypto bull market? We're in looking for something else that can generate such a cashflow. You always keep your eyes open, I think.
Speaker 1:I told you about the book Ikigai. So do what you like, what you're good at, what you can make money with, and also something that is added value to the world. Now I'm jumping on the Jordan B belfort style jumping on that stock market, but, yes, at least I keep that completely in balance. But these kinds of things, this kind of information also the psychedelic company before growing a little faster and faster that are downloads and that is something you get in your head at once and then I feel here, I have to go for it now, and that is not the phase at this moment. Of course, I have been through the whole day. I mean, you can see my news that is full of ideas, but not yet that I feel this is. This is where I really have to go for 100 percent, this is the new hole in the market.
Speaker 1:You have not seen that by the way that episode of us together there I was talking about the pollution of microplastics and what it all does your hormone system, that, among other things, the man lost so much of his testosterone. Blah, blah, blah. You have a cash program from the NPO the Dutch Public Service. All products have passed under ashwagandha. You were dead and that's also one episode about microplastics. We passed that all the time. They couldn't get rid of it. We don't know for sure but there's a chance, it's true.
Speaker 2:You also did a story about it that they said it's not to be proven or that an article was confirmed, that they said it was bullshit. Yes, yes, nice. That episode was also a bit loose. It was fantastic, hey, look, yes, nice. Yes, that episode also had something released. That was also fantastic. Yes, hey, look. If we take it there again, how do you feel that you are now going to stand full steam ahead through that bull market and want to give gas again Because you say, hey, hey, I see other things, but not something like here. I want to go full-time. I also think that has to do with you now fully in that, in that bull market, with you with quantum, with your own crypto portfolio, of course. What, what is the one that will make you so involved? I'm really curious about that. Yes, look.
Speaker 1:So what is my ikigai? I try to find when other people don't know that they are looking for it. Or when I was younger, I thought it was cool to download the download program On the computer. To download a thousand songs, the LimeWire download program on the computer, to listen and listen to which song I thought would be in the top 40, the next day to let everyone in the school class listen to it, and then two months later to be able to say I told you, look, this song is now in the top 40. That is my ego. That is Robert Nas. That is what I really get enthusiastic about. The same is now with those cryptos.
Speaker 1:My goal is to be able to find those coins early, which then go 100 times. You know what we have done several times in that group we all go gigantic through the roof. Then we rent the Waldorf Astoria. We sit there with 40 people at a table with 20 obers around us, sommeliers, the best wines, with music bands, everyone in smoking. We recently rented Park Broekhuizen, a very nice land. At the end of the month. We have a wine garden in the Bordeaux region. We rent it and we all go there to drink rosé and taste wine there. That's the best thing about it that you dare to be alone and to be wrong. To be alone and to be wrong, to take a risk and thus earn money, and then to be able to play life out like that. That's what you're going to leave behind.
Speaker 2:Yes, certainly that piece of being together, that piece of wine tasting in the Bordeaux region and that kind of thing. You have created that by, at a good moment, letting Quantum go again To let it stand and to surround it with equality. How important is that? How big is that part of equality to let it go, to let it stand and to surround it with equality? How important is? How big is that part of equality? How do you try to set that up within Quantum so that everyone hypes each other up and to make sure that they all try 10 times, 20 times, 30 times?
Speaker 1:because it's easy to have a community. That's the nice thing about Quantum. One, it's a relatively small group. Two, it's 100 euros a month, so not everyone will be there. And three, it's all smart people, or relatively many smart people, who don't hype each other. Maybe I'm the one who does the most hype all the time from those memes and so on and from those gifs posting, but for the rest everyone keeps themselves quite accountable and makes sure that we are critical and precisely sharp and the potential opportunities well, which is sensible. We do that every Sunday at 11 am and there we will discuss what we have invested in. What will the next week look like? What will the next few months look like? Where have I put my own money now? And then we will discuss it a bit.
Speaker 2:And you've sold everything. Now, what is your plan?
Speaker 1:That's a joke. I'm fucking deep.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought you had just sold everything to put it back in.
Speaker 1:No, certainly not.
Speaker 2:No, these clips are out. I literally thought you had sold everything to put it back in. Hey, these are cutting out. I literally thought you had sold everything to put it back in.
Speaker 1:To wait for that report, but that's not the case. No, okay, no, that was just a bit of the idea the people who are watching now and we're definitely not going to cut this out, no, we're not- going to cut this out.
Speaker 2:We never cut it out.
Speaker 1:The thing is that we were in March last year I became comfortable, March this year I became comfortable. Then I have an Excel. I have it completely automated and then all my wallets push that data in that Excel and then I can see which positions I have. And then I eventually calculate that together and I think, holy fuck, what the fuck is this again? How can that be so fast now? Because that bull market goes on until summer 2025. Don't get comfortable. You know what happened last time. So often when you become comfortable, then you get in some way and then it will be a little less comfortable afterwards. That's true because that market has gone down by 60% in recent years, and that's also why I now say I have sold everything, because there is now a lot of FUD in the market, which I absolutely do not agree with. I think that is just the moment now and one of the last chances to be able to play that mega, mega bull market you already have.
Speaker 2:If that mega, mega bull market is running out, you already have a plan ready for yourself from a hundred eighty thousand per bitcoin.
Speaker 1:I'm going out, yes, gradually, so then I can. If it goes up, then I also sell it. I never, always sell everything, but a large part. But, then that portfolio is already so much, then it's also good.
Speaker 2:And what is for you? In which? Look? You have, of course, the bull market, bear market. What is in that? Look? The market is going down anyway. That's the biggest difference. But also with people who are active in that market, Because in the bull market, every influencer is in crypto, To put it that way. The bear market is a bit calmer. I haven't heard anything about crypto until the all-time highs came up last year. Nobody really has that FOMO feeling. Then it starts again. Then that FOMO feeling is created again In the bear market. You often see that the real crypto traders take their hit and make sure that they are ready to take their profits and build again. What is the biggest difference between a bull market trader and someone who is in there 24x7 to hit the bear market?
Speaker 1:You have to jump in and go straight up, or you have to jump in at a very cheap price, have a long breath and then take a bigger multiplier. And that is, if you deal wisely with your money, then you will. When you are alone and not sure that it will go up, you will invest. So that is at some point in the bear market. But of course you want to go down, you want to stay liquid, you don't want to sit down and have no money to buy after that. So you do take that cycle with you. So with selling at that top when would it be? No idea, I think from 180 it is wise to scale it out?
Speaker 2:Why do you think it is wise at that moment, apart from the profits you've taken in your portfolio that time?
Speaker 1:I can't build on that. It's difficult. It doesn't make sense to explain it all technically, but that's a very clear point where I say here, it's good, I also have two quantums, those. I also have two quantums now. So those are guys who have studied academic science and they are automated investment strategy builders and they have built a track record on it and I have also invested in it for a while and they are now running 30% average per year consistently, with a very low risk. Those are, of course, great things to invest in. Only when the crypto market goes up so fast, you'd rather sit with your money in what goes up faster, choosing for that 30%. But if that bull market is over in a moment, then I will, of course, go into a much calmer strategy that consistently takes that much percent per year, and that's how you're constantly shifting with your portfolio, which is understandable at that moment.
Speaker 2:Do you know? What I find so interesting about both that world, the crypto world, but also the stock market and I don't know what other world of entrepreneurs there are is that you actually have to admit at the moments that no one is talking about it or that it is less in the attention in the media, and when it is so explicitly present on all platforms, it is actually the moment to step out of it or to go with it in a different way than 90% of the people do. And you see that actually in every podcast on every platform that is said. Only, still, you see all people at the moment there is a hype, create that piece of FOMO feeling and not buy Bitcoin at 30k, but buy it at 60k because everyone has it and it has reached all-time highs.
Speaker 1:But you do have to buy 60k because everyone has it and it has reached the all-time highs. Yeah, it's bizarre, but that's the psyche of the human conditioning when there is scarcity, then you have hunger, and when there is overflux, then you think it's all right. When you're not doing it, then you don't see it coming.
Speaker 2:No, no. Yes, that remains indeed a piece of conditioning that people then not that it also has to do with risk-prosperity. And then look at what I want with my money. I am safe. I am in that way. I want to be sure that if I put my money in, it will go up and it will be profitable, While it's probably more affordable at 30k than when it's at its all-time high. But then people see that it works anyway. The more people scale in, the faster it goes down.
Speaker 1:What are you going to do with your crypto, San?
Speaker 2:I don't have it anymore. I have cashed it out, also because we put quite a bit of money in the house from there and I have now put quite a large part of my wealth in there. It is now simply time for me to build up some capital again, just have good money on the side, and to start investing from there. I'm also thinking about I've always done shares in the beginning, but also quite speculatively, and reacted to calls from wrong people at that moment which never really earned anything. Now it's something I'm just going to which I'm sure will grow in the coming years, such as a Bitcoin or an S&P 500 or things like that, just real solidity in my money, what I can miss, what just gives a certain amount of profit every year.
Speaker 2:That's for me now a bit of the plan for the coming year and not really that speculative approach, let's say.
Speaker 1:Yes, I understand, yes, right.
Speaker 2:Yes, Apart from crypto. Are you still in the business of shares or are you fully in your crypto business?
Speaker 1:It's built up in different assets. There are precious metals, shares, but also other things.
Speaker 2:And also consciously, to spread it. What does that have to do with you?
Speaker 1:Certainly consciously. There is a certain phase in your life where you already go somewhere because you have relatively little power, and then you want to take a lot of risk to get a lot of power At a certain point. You have reached a certain level and then you want to make sure that it is preserved. It also remains preserved, so you never go into it. It would of course be so. It never goes away. It would be embarrassing if it all goes away.
Speaker 2:Let's say you're already starting. I've also been here with Trading Wizard. He lost 2.4 million euros in one day, and that wasn't all, because the next day he also continued. I've had that seven years ago and that's never going to happen again, but you've built up the skills to get it all back right. Yes, is it nice that you have that self-confidence.
Speaker 1:It's nice that you know that you can take risks, but all in is not what you want. I mean a woman, no children, but you also want to give a certain life certainty, a 30.
Speaker 2:Yes, I understand that. Give life certainty A 30. Yes, I understand that. Hey, and if we look at the past year for you, compared to our previous episode, what has been the shoulder-shaking moment for you? We, of course, discussed that moment in the first episode. I'm curious, in that phase until now, what happened. That was a shoulder-to-shoulder moment for you.
Speaker 1:No, shoulder-to-shoulder, I'm going fucking great. I had a tough period a few years before and I put everything in line to do what I'm doing now Mentally all the time high, portfolio all the time high. Physically, all the time high, going great. What I'm doing now, and always mentally, my portfolio, always my physical, always my go nice yes so, yes, that was no.
Speaker 1:No, actually not really very heavy moment. What is there even more so? I have become a fucking uncle, really. My dear sister has had a daughter, isa mee. That is why I am now in the n for two months To see the little ones grow up, and every weekend I'm at my mother's. Tomorrow I'll see her again. Yes, man, I'm really happy, congratulations man Does that give you crickets. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Not at all. No, I wanted eight. Are you going to get me crazy again? No, no, no.
Speaker 1:It seems really fantastic to have such a big, long table. Yeah, with all those kids. Everyone is different, one is gothic, the other is emo, the other is homo, the other is this, the other is that, but still they're all brothers and sisters. It really seems like a laugh.
Speaker 2:Quantum family, just family. Yes, yes, but that is not going to be so bad at the moment. And the piece of mental, physical well-being. How do you always try that? Because I see you a lot of boxing, a lot of sports and, of course, pain poles. More physically, mentally always also a point. What do you do more for that, as sharply as possible?
Speaker 1:every day. It is just continue to dare to look at yourself in the mirror and be honest with yourself. How do I feel today? I have quite a few mental issues because of things that have happened in my life and where I normally would stop drinking drugs.
Speaker 1:I can now look at myself. Robert, you're restless. You want to look for dopamine in, I don't know, women, alcohol, whatever, where I can now look for my calm spots, with my eyes open or with my eyes closed, but just breathe. It sounds a bit dizzy. Just enjoy life and being myself.
Speaker 2:What kind of calm spots are you looking for at that moment? Is that a forest? Is that a beach? Are you going to walk? Are you going to do breathing exercises there? It's myself, man.
Speaker 1:At some point you find that inner peace, and then, when I close my eyes, I'm at home. That's nice, isn't it.
Speaker 2:How did it come about your girlfriend also played a very big role in that that you could find that inner peace in yourself. Was that after a session with Truffles At some point you had something like that?
Speaker 1:No, it's been a long process, but in 2017, I had Crypto was a boom market. Before that, I had no money, financial stress. At a certain point, you got some accomplishments in there and I got that burnout Because I wasn't happy with who I was. That's where it started for me, but that's a long time ago. I don't think I had any psychedelics or current friends. Nice man.
Speaker 2:I think we're done. What do you think?
Speaker 1:How do you find your inner peace? How?
Speaker 2:I do that. Yeah, well, I now have a dog, a Labradoodle. That's nice, right? Yeah, I have to really say that that gives me a lot of peace. I get up every morning where I normally went to work, right away. You know, I'm what's his name?
Speaker 2:Bowie, bowie, nice, yeah, man. No, it's now. I go outside every morning. I don't go to work right away, I did at first Right outside Daylight, on my head. I go for half an hour with that dog, walking in the woods or on the beach, or now completely with nice weather, and in the afternoon I do it again. At the end of the day I do Now it's summer break with football, so I play padel or squash or whatever, and at that moment I take my rest. On Sunday I do nothing. We live next to the beach. We're going to make a nice beach walk Also with that dog, have a drink there, have some food. That's for me. I don't meditate or anything. I take a cold shower sometimes, but at that moment it's just rest for me. I think it's just for me, man. I think lovely. I think we have now done the garden behind here. If you can just chill there and do your thing and then it goes with you.
Speaker 1:Yes, good man, yes, yes, it goes well, it goes really well.
Speaker 2:I am really lucky man. Den haag, I like it very much. Lovely place close to what I say beach forest. The house is really lovely. I have a super chill office where I can work from home. I don't have to go from one side of the country to the other side of the country, or if I come, back from the outside, I come back to my mother or whatever, my own place, my own environment, my own life here and yeah, it's really nice man.
Speaker 1:Did that give you peace?
Speaker 2:your own house, yes, yes, yes. It's really nice man. Did that give you peace of mind? Your own house, yes, yes, yes. Look what it was for me first is we first recorded that podcast in Gorssel, where you went. It's close to Deventer, but I already knew my girlfriend. She lived in the Hague and I lived on paper still with my mother In Gorssel so.
Speaker 2:But I went from Gorssel by train because I didn't have a car at the time and I had to play football in Gorssel, so I had to go back and forth between the trains From Den Haag to Gorssel to pick up work train, and that went on all the time. I had been backpacking in the Netherlands for two years, so to speak, and I never had a place of peace for myself where I could work peacefully, where I could find my place. I did have a little office in Gorssel and stuff like that, but it was always restless. And now I'm in my own place. I'm up, I have my office ten meters away. I have my car around the corner, so if I want to go somewhere, I have my own car, I don't have to look at the tram or the train.
Speaker 2:I have everything under my own control. I'm not dependent on anything.
Speaker 1:Nice. I'm not dependent on anything anymore.
Speaker 2:Nice to hear, and you don't have to worry about anything. So that's really nice, man, good to hear. And now the podcast to the ceiling. That's also nice. Now, here is for me a lot easier for Semmy. He only has to come from Deventer to the Hague.
Speaker 1:Yes, you have a nice combo with each other. He really brought your content to the next level.
Speaker 2:Yes, man, certainly so. Yes, it's just still building, building, building.
Speaker 1:Consistent right. Joe Rogan was the first five years. Almost nobody listened to him, while he was already known. He was already on TV. Yes, you just have to have a few knocks between them. You know what happened to the guys from Lotgenoten. There were two guests who went really viral and then the spinning wheel started to run.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's what we, yes, where we're looking for man, and we've had a big one several times that really exploded, that really blew a lot of views.
Speaker 1:With Andy van der Meijden or something like that. Right, yes, that was in the beginning man.
Speaker 2:It was really episode five or six or something. Within the first 10 at least it went really fast. But the danger with that was you did get back to it quickly.
Speaker 1:Because you weren't a very good interviewer at that time.
Speaker 2:No experience no, I'm new in the game.
Speaker 1:And that's why those people probably thought oh, what a great podcast, the one with Andy van der Meijer, who was very strong, and then, I think, with Donnie Roervink and a few others, and I didn't really like that one either. So then you also lose such a listener, of course. Yes, man.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know, you're now, let's say, with Andy on the fifth episode. We're now almost 80.
Speaker 1:Yes, but I also notice it now, just the way of interviewing, and that the conversation is already a lot faster? Yes, certainly, and that that is also nice to listen to. A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:And the crypto world is not for me. Look what I like the most, what is best for me, where I come in the best of my ability to say it is the personal story behind it. In a crypto world, I'm not in it. I don't know as much about it as you do. I see it as a challenge to see how I can get the maximum out of it, how difficult it can be, but I just like doing it.
Speaker 2:It's more and more comfortable. This conversation can take place without a microphone and without a camera, and I like that and we know each other a little bit. So, yes, you learn from doing.
Speaker 1:Nice, yes, right. How many years are you going to keep it up, do you?
Speaker 2:think Until I have no more time.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, what is that? Five years, ten years?
Speaker 2:I really don't know, man. The goal for this year is just to generate nice partnerships which. I know I'm fully behind which can provide a nice contribution to the financial picture so that I don't have to pay everything from my own pocket. That's a step we're working on. That's going in the right direction, as long as it doesn't cost me money and I can make a profit.
Speaker 2:As long as it doesn't cost me money, I'll be fine, and for me it's just pure what you have with Quantum just making a bit of impact, getting together, dividing profits where you are partly the reason they achieved. That. That's what I like. I think a DM on Insta from someone where I have lived a 180-degree life through one episode there's no money in that and that's what I like the most to do and that's just a core value for me. Man Impact and that's just what it is for me.
Speaker 1:Nice.
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