Sidewalk Conversations
"Let the one who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall..." (1 Corinthians 10:12)
Standing strong and remaining true to your calling is no easy task. No one sets out to crash and burn. In fact, it's actually the opposite, most people want to stand strong, remain effective, and be true to their values all the way through to the end. But, it is really hard to do.
In these interviews, Piet Van Waarde (a 40 year veteran of pastoral ministry) has heart-to-heart conversations with ordinary people about what it takes to stay faithful and effective in the things that matter most.
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When God Says "Wait" But Your Heart Says "Go" with Valerie Cobbe
Valerie shares her powerful journey from growing up on a Texas farm to finding redemption through adoption and learning to listen to God's voice in unexpected ways.
• Lived on a small farm in Texas for the first 17 years of her life
• Found healing and family when adopted by a childless couple from her church
• Stepped down from youth ministry after 10+ years when God clearly said it was time
• Became a full-time caregiver for her mother-in-law during her final seven weeks
• Learned that "good doesn't always mean right" when discerning God's will
• Discovered the challenge and blessing of "being still" as an extrovert who thrives on connection
• Encourages adults to listen to youth perspectives and take their spiritual suggestions seriously
• Finds purpose in obedience even when it means waiting without clear direction
"Can I have some type of direction? Like this way, that way?" God's answer: "Be still... Wait."
So how long was that? How long did you live on the farm?
Speaker 2:First 17 years of my life, no kidding. Yes, all right.
Speaker 1:And so you did all the chores and had to get busy.
Speaker 2:Up and feeding the animals before the half-mile hike to the bus stop.
Speaker 1:Uphill both ways right.
Speaker 2:Oh no? Well, yes, because it was extremely hilly and there was one higher hill. When we rode our bicycles, it was great riding it down towards the bus stop, because then you could just go over the next one, but going home wasn't as easy. So where'd you leave your bike? We just leaned it up against the fence. It was a dirt road down to the main road and nobody took it back in the day.
Speaker 2:No, the funnest part of my kids' favorite part of this is there are times that I actually rode my horse to the bus stop, left it in a neighbor's pasture and rode it home. I love it.
Speaker 1:All right, well, I think we'll get started. Just say welcome to our guests and our fans who have joined us on another episode of Sidewalk Conversations. I'm so glad that you have taken some time to spend this time with us. I'm excited about my guests. But before I introduce Valerie, let me just say a thank you to my sponsors. Today. I want to thank Tenfold Counseling out of Kansas City, missouri. They do such great work and they actually have connections around the country, so they do Zoom counseling as well as in-person counseling and if you'd like to get some help, they would be people who you should call. And I just want to say thanks for helping sponsor this episode, along with my other sponsors who are so regularly faithful about giving and sharing, so so appreciative. Today the guest is Valerie.
Speaker 2:Hello.
Speaker 1:And I thank you for being here. You know it's kind of interesting. I have to tell the story. So I was doing a guest speaking at your church and we got into a conversation afterwards and I was so fascinated by your story I said hey, I know this may be a big ask People sometimes are a little reluctant but would you be willing to be on my podcast? And you did not hesitate, you said yes right away and I think you said something like you know, the Lord's just been laying on my heart that whenever I'm given an opportunity to share my story, I should say yes and so you did.
Speaker 2:He has been telling me for years and years and years that my story, my experiences and the way that he has worked through everything is something that I'm supposed to share, and I love it. It is the easiest thing for me to do, whether it's a one-on-one audience, whether it's talking to a group of people. It excites me to show what God has done.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:Because there's no way that each step could be a coincidence, there's no way that it could be something that I did and just being so close to him I can see, yeah, this is his hand in his direction and sometimes I wish it would get a little bit of warning, but he doesn't always do that.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you for saying yes, and I'm going to begin at the beginning of your story. Yes, so tell me a little bit about where you grew up, how you were raised. Maybe some key influences?
Speaker 2:For the first 17 years of my life I spent living with my biological family on a small farm in Texas and raised animals and spent a lot of time outside working with that. Right about 17, I turned my biological father in for abuse and oh dang.
Speaker 2:You know what God has used that in amazing ways, but in doing that, god had already orchestrated. From before I was born, a couple who was unable to have children got married and they started coming back to church, or started coming to church and came to the church that I grew up in, and just the path to meeting them was amazing. Not only that, but being able to, I was supposed to stay with them for the weekend. It's been a really long weekend. I actually asked them to adopt me after I got married and that has been amazing. It's given. You know, for mom it was 15 years from the time that she had a hysterectomy right after they got married until I came into their life.
Speaker 1:Wow, wow.
Speaker 2:And she never expected to have a child, much less grandchildren, and you know, see them get married and all of that, and it's been an amazing God.
Speaker 1:What a beautiful redemptive story.
Speaker 2:Very much a God journey, yeah, wow.
Speaker 1:Well, and my next question is kind of related to that. You know, part of what I learned when we were sharing this story was that you've had a number of different, what I'll call challenge spikes in your life where things went a very different direction than what you thought, and I just want to see if you'd give me some highlights about that and then maybe exactly how God met you in the midst of some of those challenges.
Speaker 2:So the most recent one, I would say, was beginning of June. God told me and he had kind of said, think about stepping down from youth. And I'd been working with the youth at our church for more than 10 years, maybe closer to 12. I'm not sure, but they're my kids, mine. And I'm like he's like maybe it's time to step down. And I'm like, are you sure, God? And he's like, well, think about it. And I'm like, okay, you're not telling me yet. Okay, and 2020, we had a little bit of break because of COVID and all of that, and I was like so refreshed, coming back and excited to be with the youth again. And then the first Wednesday in June, God says I'm on the way to church for prayer and praise service and it's like step down from youth. Wait, what do you?
Speaker 1:none of these are my, my kids let me just call time out real quick. So when you say because I'm just curious how this happens for people when you say god spoke to you or told you something, what does that feel like? Like, is it as something that you kind of have as a voice that's kind of louder than your own voice and your own spirit, how do you recognize that as quote unquote God's voice?
Speaker 2:It's not. I didn't hear an audible voice, but it's just like I feel, like it's so hard to describe because I know that it's not me, because that's 100% against what. I want to do I don't want to leave my kids.
Speaker 1:So it's a thought that just feels very compelling yes and. I know this from my own experiences with this. It's like you get to a place in life where you start to recognize God's voice, the passage you know the sheep recognize the shepherd's voice, and it becomes like that, right? So okay, finish the story.
Speaker 2:And I was like, okay, and I'm sitting there and I'm ruminating on it, but I'm not saying anything to anyone else and the entire service people came up to pray and whatever they prayed confirmed to me it's time to step down the worship songs and I don't remember what they were at this point, but it was like step down. So I'm like, okay, god, well, what am I supposed to do? And you know, god, I feel like he answers me in a way that I'm not a quiet person and I have a little bit of attitude and I feel like he went obey and I'm like I can't argue with that. How do you argue with when God says just obey. And so I did. And I went to Jacqueline, our youth pastor, and I'm like Jacqueline God's told me that I need to step down. This month is my last month working with youth and there were a lot of things. It wasn't the most convenient time, but you know, one of the other youth leaders is like is this because there's hurt or rejection or something you're upset about? And I'm like, no, I really don't want to, but I want to obey. That's what he's called me to do is to obey and to follow what he's saying. So when I talked to Jacqueline, she's like, okay, well, you lead Bible study. What about Bible study? I'm like, oh, he's not telling me to step down from that. Like there's no message on that. One Long story short.
Speaker 2:Between you know, a trip, a quick trip to visit my mother-in-law in California at the first weekend in July and finding out how poor her health was, I knew there was a possibility that I would have to. Because I work remote, I can take my job with me to go out there when she passes, which would probably be sooner than later, to work on clearing out the house. We figured the last time we would see her would be the visit over July 4th. Well, my plans and what I had figured out were not what happened or not what happened. She got really sick and really bad at the end of July and was at the point where she either had to be put into a facility or someone had to be there to take care of her 24-7. And we found that out Monday afternoon. And the biggest challenge is she doesn't like animals, she doesn't want to have anything to do with animals and knowing if I was going to go do that it would be an indefinite amount of time.
Speaker 1:So you were considering going there and being the caregiver that which. I happen to know from other parts of your story was not an easy yes.
Speaker 2:No, it was very, very hard. The first time I met her was my husband was here in Texas with the military and met him at church and we set our wedding date. But then we're like, got impatient and got married and then had our wedding. Well, the first time that I met her in person was our wedding. She comes into my house and reorganizes my kitchen because I had done it wrong. I didn't take that very well.
Speaker 1:I don't know many ladies who would.
Speaker 2:I don't know many ladies who would, and so God worked on me through 27 years of marriage and relationship with her to that call that. We got at the end of July on a Monday midday, and I called her Tuesday morning and I'm like OK, you're where. You got two choices you go into a facility and you've told us flat out you don't want to be in a facility, or I come out and I bring my dog with me and he stays in the house in the room with me. He's an 82 pound German shepherd, not a little fluff ball that you can miss, and he's loud. He's pretty darn well behaved, but he's not one of those. Hey, I love people, dogs. He's one of those. This is my person. You stay away. Dogs Not mean, won't attack anyone, but-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, protective yeah.
Speaker 2:And so I called her Tuesday morning. I'm like okay, you got two choices you go in the facility or I come out with my dog.
Speaker 1:And she is not a dog person.
Speaker 2:No, especially a big dog person. That is just a no-go and not an indoor dog. He's an indoor dog and I had spent Tuesday morning because she's in California. I had half a morning before I could talk to her praying God make this easy, basically saying God make it so I don't have any questions. Make the answer clear either way yes or way no, like don't leave room for questions. So I call her and I said you got two choices facility, or I come with my dog. She goes. Is he as big as a house?
Speaker 2:No no, he's not as big as a house. And she said well, I don't know what the HOA rules are, I can find out. Okay, I'm like. Okay, I'm like wow. You said okay, she didn't God made it easy.
Speaker 2:And I called my husband because we had been having the conversation the whole way, because this other than the previous summer we had never spent more than a week apart in our entire 27 years of marriage. And the previous summer we spent two weeks apart when I went to visit her and take care of her for a small amount of time.
Speaker 1:So leaving and this was like open-ended right.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I'm going, don't know when I'm coming back, don't know how do you pack.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:How do you pack for an indeterminate amount of time?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so how long did you end up staying?
Speaker 2:I took care of her for the last seven weeks of her life through hospice, through all of that, because I worked remote. I took my work with me and I worked my eight hours every day while taking care of her and I'm a people person she is not. She didn't really want to talk, she didn't want to communicate, so I couldn't leave her alone. Like the first couple of weeks I went to the grocery store, so I left the house like once a week and and then she got bad enough I couldn't even do that and just had to order and to have delivered groceries and I didn't leave the house and God sustained me, not being able to be around people. I'm my church, I'm called the hugger.
Speaker 2:I know how to give a hug and you're going to feel it and it's going to be a good hug, and there are certain people that, yeah, you don't get a 10 second hug, I'm going to hold on and give you that hug until I feel you release, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:That's holding on Because there are certain people who need that and I know, and other than two visits from my husband my daughter, our youngest daughter, came with him on one of them. Other than that, I didn't have touch for seven weeks. She didn't want to. Well, at the end I was physically cleaning her, but but no touch.
Speaker 1:And I know there are people who can do that and love that, but that's not you, no, that's the opposite of what God's called me to.
Speaker 2:And he said obey. And I said I went. We made the decision Tuesday midday and I was on the road six o'clock Friday morning. I didn't have time to plan, I didn't have time to think about it. He said go and I said okay, cool, oh crap. Now I'm gone.
Speaker 1:This leads me to the question that I really want to get to, maybe even at the heart of our conversation today, because that story and the other things that you've shared indicate to me that you are a very servant-hearted person. Being a servant to others in the name of Christ is a big deal for you, and I want to follow that up with two sub-questions. One is how do you sustain that when, obviously, obviously in this situation with your mother-in-law, you weren't necessarily like excited about it because of what it would mean for you? It meant a lot of sacrifice. So how do you sustain that kind of servanthood in the midst of feeling like, oh, this is, this is going to be really hard, like this is going to be really hard.
Speaker 2:I don't like to focus on the hard part of it. I like to focus on, more than anything I've learned through things that have happened through my life to obey him. And if I obey, it may be a hard path, but I was telling you earlier about one time where he showed me the verse that he has given me over and over and over, which is Psalms 4610. Be still and know that I'm God. I don't like to be still, like I like to be doing. I like to be doing, I like to be involved to help people and being a people person. Going and spending time with people fills me up very much. Not an introvert, that drains me. Being alone drains me. I need my people. That drains me. Being alone drains me. I need my people. And so going to do, whether it be a little thing, you know, spend a few minutes talking to a neighbor and cheering them up, or something that recharges me. That's how God has made me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And doing the opposite is so hard and he spent so much time telling me to be still. Doing the opposite is so hard and he spent so much time telling me to be still. And the first time I remember him telling me be still, it was a really clear message and I was like okay, god. He said step down from this organization that you're on the board of. Okay, I will as soon as I get done with what I said I would do, because I know what I should do and that's complete that out, because I hold my word and I do what I'm supposed to. Yeah, but sometimes he has you change that and I chose to. Every time he kept telling me be still, I'm like I will, I'll stop, I will finish it and I'll stop. And I kept stepping further and further out of what he had called me to and I ended up getting a concussion so bad that I could barely function and barely speak for three weeks because I chose to step out from his umbrella of protection.
Speaker 2:I went okay, here's your protection. Cool, I'm going this way. And it was such a simple thing. Usually it would have been a little bump on the head and fine, but I was down for so long because I chose not to obey.
Speaker 1:And he shows me that's a hard lesson.
Speaker 2:Uh-huh. When you're stubborn, you get to learn them the hard way.
Speaker 1:Well, which also leads me, then, into the second question I wanted to ask because, you know, you strike me as a person who's very willing to engage, very willing to meet with people and to serve in whatever way you can and obey. And then we have this other thing that I think we're also called to, which is to you know, like I think what's at the heart of the word you heard was be still and know that I'm God, because self-care also matters, and sometimes people who are very oriented around service have a hard time with boundaries, and so I'm curious I'm guessing you've had to navigate that question in your life. How has that worked out for you? How?
Speaker 2:has that worked out for you? Saying no, saying no has been hard, but through my stubbornness and my stepping out and my disobeying when he says do this, and I go yeah, but this is good too, I'll say no, but it's good. Good doesn't always mean right and I've learned that's a good statement. Say that again. Good doesn't always mean right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's good.
Speaker 2:So it could be good, it could be a God thing, but if it's not right, are you taking Are you taking a job or responsibility a blessing from someone else because you're trying to get, whether it be glory seeking or just over extending yourself? Yeah, you won't say yes to what he's telling you to do or to not do. You could be preventing other people from receiving the blessing he has for them for doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the reason I'm so resonating with this is because this has been a lesson I've had to learn in a number of ways in my life as well, and I think one of the lessons that's come out of that for me is that if I'm going to be effective in the things I have been called to do, that means that those callings need to remain a priority, because if I start filling my life and schedule up with other interesting good things, then it's going to hinder my effectiveness in the things that I know I'm called to do, and so I find that a lot of times God keeps on bringing me back to say yes, I know that's interesting to you, I know you think that's very shiny and good, but it's not like you said. It's not necessarily the right thing for you at this time. There may be other times or it's not going to be the main focus. It may be a hobby or something of interest. So that has been a real point of attention from the Lord for me too. So I totally relate.
Speaker 2:The other thing that I've seen is when I step down from youth, I've said God has told me it's my time to stop and he's told me not to. And I stepped down the last Wednesday in June from youth and told my girls that the J-High girls have always been my girls and even as the girls get older, if they've gone through the J-High part of our youth group, they're my kids. Now the rest of them are as well, but they're my small group. I're my kids, yeah, now the rest of them are as well, but I they're my small group. I spend more time with them. And the hardest thing is I've had a couple of the girls come up to me multiple times. Has God said you can come back yet?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's, that's what's opened up the door to go be with your mom or your mother-in-law, right? Yes, when you said no there, that if it's at the end of June, then beginning of July you're.
Speaker 2:And it was end of July. I headed out there and through July he's like step back Now, step down from that, now step down from that. And he stepping down. I've led women's Bible study on Tuesday nights at our church longer or just shorter than what I've worked with the youth. I love that. That is such. I spend more time studying and I have to focus on a message to be ready to share it with the ladies. And yes, it's the same message that all of our Bible studies do at the same time and it gives them the capability of going back and forth. But when he told me to step to, to make sure it wasn't so much, he said step back from that. He said, make sure there's some when you go out to clear the house out, because that was the plan.
Speaker 1:Right, that was my plan. We're going to go just clear the house out.
Speaker 2:And, and I said, okay, I need to have someone who can cover for me for a couple of weeks. And God orchestrated that so beautifully. Because I called one morning and I was like, okay, here's what I got going on, I need to figure out. And they're like, well, do we just not have it? I'm like, no, that's not the answer. Like I felt 100% confident God was not saying don't. God was saying don't stop Tuesday night. Okay, like I'll be adamant on that. No, no. Then who? And we went through a list of women that were normally in my Tuesday night Bible study and no, no, no. Yeah, they would. I mean, yeah, they could do it, but I don't feel like that's who it's supposed to be. There's one lady who had visited one time and when, as soon as I said her name, like I was like Priscilla, priscilla's the one who's supposed to do it. I don't even think it was four hours from hanging up from that conversation to being called back and saying Priscilla's on board.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:She'll co-lead with you or sub for you. This is the third one that she's leading now, because God's told me to be still and I told her I'm like I'm so excited to see what God's going to do through you, because she's very, very artistic and does so much painting and such beautiful things and she's artsy craftsy in a different way than I am and so she leads very differently than me. I love it because.
Speaker 2:I get to see One I'm getting to just these last two just be fed instead of doing the work, which is weird. But to see how she does it is so refreshing. And I get to see little tidbits of how God is using her story and the way that her personality, the way that she leads to affect people in a way that I can't. I don't have that skill set, the skill set or experience that she does to do it her way.
Speaker 1:I can only do it my way and to see Beauty of the body of Christ right.
Speaker 2:Yes, and to see, I'm just so excited to continue watching that.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 2:And she's like has he told you he'd come back yet? And I'm like to continue watching that. And she's like has he told you he'd been back yet? And I'm like, not yet, like I want to, I love it. But he said wait, he said be still, and that's hard. But I've learned the hard lesson and I don't want to repeat the stupid, stubborn mistakes and getting out from his protection to suffer the consequences.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. So let me shift gears a little bit. I want to talk to you about your youth work. Yes, so this is something that I have had increasing interest in, thanks to Preston, my tech guy, who keeps telling me hey, pete, you need to be thinking about this. So what are some of the things that you've learned about young people in this day and age that you think we all need to be a little bit more aware of?
Speaker 2:Hear what the youth are saying. There are youth out there who have such a heart for God and they have a different perspective. They haven't had all of their rawness rubbed off by the reality of the world and they see things differently than we do. Hear what they have to say, you know, don't just assume that it's always right, Don't assume it's always wrong. But if they've got a suggestion, at minimum pray about it, God. What are you saying? As a leader. Are you saying that we should go this direction?
Speaker 1:Out of the mouths of babes right.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's amazing things. And listening to the kids, the things that they say and the view that they have. You know, I just I grew up in church. Church has always been part of it. I'm one of those people where I do the Bible in a year and I've done it, I think, for more than 10 years now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Every year. So I just I know that. I've heard that verse. I know that verse. I hear it At minimum once a year, a lot of them more than that. I've heard that verse, I know that verse. I hear it At minimum once a year, a lot of them, more than that. So when they look at me and go, what does that mean? Oh, okay, so how do I downshift from the knowledge and information experience I have, the knowledge and information experience I have, not to simplify God's word, but to make it in a way that they can understand.
Speaker 1:Put it in their frame of reference.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I look at for the longest time. I was one of the oldest youth workers, but the kids would gravitate to me. I'm going to set the rules, and I'm going to the rule is the rule and we're not crossing that line. But I'll have fun with you and we'll joke around and play. But if you've got a question, you got a concern. You want to be heard about something that's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm there.
Speaker 1:And do you find yourself saying something similar to the young people, Like was there a theme that you kept coming back to as it relates to the kids? Over the 10-year period you led?
Speaker 2:Just spend time in your word with God and, you know, encouraging them to find the time to get with God, because you can see, not only in youth but adults, who spends their time with God. They're like well, how do you know what God's saying? Well, I'm reading my Bible, I'm praying, I'm talking to God and I sit, and I've learned to sit and listen and be still.
Speaker 1:Still working on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's still a work in progress.
Speaker 1:Which is probably a good thing to say to the kids, right?
Speaker 2:it's like hey you're not going to get this automatically yeah, and, and you know watching the kids, you know whether they're doing the fast like we do yearly with the. You know I encourage people to do yearly with church. Whether you know whether you fast, it doesn't have to be food, but do a a fast. And I fought that for the longest time. I'm like I can't do that. I can't do that. And then one day it was pointed out to me you're allergic to dairy, you're allergic to gluten. You fast those every day. All year goes, every day, all year. Why can't you choose to fast something else on top of it?
Speaker 2:In January, our youngest daughter's 20, and church was getting ready to do the fast and I've yet to be able to do it the exact same time as church does, but I choose to do it this. You know the same amount of days for the 21 days. And I was like, okay, I'm just. My daughter's an adult now. She's back from college, she did a year and she's like I'm not for me. I'm like, okay, and I was like, but I'm just, I'll just do the fast on my own and I'll do what I'm going to do. She calls me one day. She still lives at home, but she was out doing something with a friend and she calls me Mom. What are we fasting this year? Okay, definitely doing the fast this year.
Speaker 1:When your daughter suggests yes.
Speaker 2:When a 20-year-old calls you and says what are we fasting? Okay, I'm like, well, we've done the Daniel fast. She and I did it together. We fasted social media. One year We've fasted. You know different things. I'm like what do you want to fast? I'm like we could fast a specific food item, we could fast. Eating out, we could fast, and her friend was there with her. And her friend is now coming to church when she does and they're like let's do a sugar fast.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Okay. So are we fasting all kinds of sugar? Are we fasting added sugar? Are we fasting? And I let her choose what we were fasting and I will say fasting sugar is hard.
Speaker 1:There is nothing without sugar.
Speaker 2:I mean we chose no added sugars. So you know there were a couple of recipes that we did do that had, like, honey in it, or molasses and a natural sugar opposed to refined sugar. But everything has sugar in it. Go buy all new salad dressings. You can't have ketchup, you can't have barbecue sauce, you can't have ketchup, can't have barbecue sauce you can't.
Speaker 2:I know been doing that for a bit and so you know that fast was more challenging. But because she chose, she brought it up. She chose and she directed it. I was okay, this is what we're doing.
Speaker 1:I think what you're illustrating too is that it's so important not just to listen to the youth as it relates to their questions, but to take their suggestions seriously too.
Speaker 2:Now your daughter is 21,.
Speaker 1:So it's not exactly the same, but there's a way in which taking their suggestions inspires their spiritual growth. You know, and it's not exactly the same, but there's a way in which taking their suggestions inspires their spiritual growth. And it's kind of like oh, you're going to take me seriously, All right, well, I'm in.
Speaker 2:It empowers them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:And when you give them the not give them, when you allow them to use the power that God has given them, it strengthens them more than anything else Because, okay, you're in charge of this one. Which way are we going?
Speaker 1:So, talking about where are we going? Do you have a sense of where the Lord's leading you over this next season?
Speaker 2:I have been saying God, can I have some type of direction Like this way, that way Be still.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wait.
Speaker 1:Good luck with that.
Speaker 2:And it's you know, I've been so involved with so many things at church and they're like okay, so what has God told you right now? Wait, okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I will be in prayer with you about that, and I just want to say thank you for joining me today. This has been such a fun conversation.
Speaker 2:You're very welcome.
Speaker 1:And may God bless whatever that future holds for you, and courage to be patient. That is the challenge.
Speaker 2:But if God didn't challenge us?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:We get bored yeah we get bored?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right. Well, thank you for joining us for another Sidewalk Conversations and join us again next week when we'll be back the same time. Bless you guys.
