Sidewalk Conversations
"Let the one who thinks he stands, take heed lest he fall..." (1 Corinthians 10:12)
Standing strong and remaining true to your calling is no easy task. No one sets out to crash and burn. In fact, it's actually the opposite, most people want to stand strong, remain effective, and be true to their values all the way through to the end. But, it is really hard to do.
In these interviews, Piet Van Waarde (a 40 year veteran of pastoral ministry) has heart-to-heart conversations with ordinary people about what it takes to stay faithful and effective in the things that matter most.
Sidewalk Conversations
So You Want Dark Skies AND Happy Shopkeepers? Hold My Coffee with Crystal Mancilla
We sit down with Mayor Crystal of Liberty Hill to explore how character, counsel, and courage shape local leadership in a polarized era. From dark skies to water infrastructure, we unpack practical ways to listen well, decide wisely, and keep a growing town’s soul.
• Central Texas roots, family redemption, and a servant’s heart
• Community draft into politics and why character beats pedigree
• Joy of serving people and the strain of assumptions
• Listening beyond your base and valuing dissent
• Turning conflict into inquiry, not contempt
• Dark sky policy with small business at the table
• Advanced water treatment: science, transparency, and trust
• Faith as daily operating system for leadership
• Mentors, prayer, and long-arc decision making
• Rhythm, rest, and boundaries in public service
• Building foundations for 20–50 years, not news cycles
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Welcome to another sidewalk conversation. My name is Pete Van Ward and I am your host today. And we are in for a very interesting conversation. If you've been paying attention to what's happening in the culture, you're quite aware that we live in a day where there's a lot of political infighting. In fact, if you just turn on social media or the news or even in conversations with your friends, you realize that this is a very tender and volatile issue. In my own experience, I've been trying to say to people, hey, can we navigate this conversation maybe like we do others, where we can be respectful of a person, even if they share different opinions about political realities or political parties or even candidates? There has to be a way, particularly for believers, to have conversations about those matters in a way that allows us to be, again, respectful of another person, even if they share different points of view. And I am excited today because I have an opportunity to talk to somebody who's actually in the arena, who has to navigate that as part of their reality every single day. So we are talking to the mayor of Liberty Hill, and she was obviously elected by a constituency, but she also has to represent the entire community. So I'm looking forward to being able to talk to her about how she navigates those complexities and how her faith fits into all of that as well. So I'm excited about your joining us, and in a moment, we'll introduce you to our guests. And our guest also attends that church. And if you are in the Austin area and you're looking for a congregation that is both very diverse but biblically oriented, you'll find a lot of that at Shoreline Church here in Austin. They also have an online campus, so if you are looking for something in that genre, they also have that available at shoreline.org. All right, now let me introduce you to our guest, Crystal. That was the chair.
Crystal Rhea:You know, been called lots more than just Crystal. Go ahead.
Piet Van Waarde:I gotta tell the story. I I go way back with Crystal, but I knew her for her last name in a little different way. So she was texting me about this, and I'm like, I'm sorry. Could you tell me how I know?
Crystal Rhea:I do remember that.
Piet Van Waarde:I was thinking on what anyway, Crystal, thank you so much for joining us. I'm so glad that you are here. Thank you for having me. I know you have very busy schedules, so that you would take some time to be with us. It's just so cool. So thank you.
Crystal Rhea:Excited to be here.
Piet Van Waarde:All right. Well, let's uh just start off kind of getting introduced to you and your life and kind of how you grew up. So tell us a little bit. Like, are you a Texas girl? Like, have you been here your whole life?
Crystal Rhea:I am a Texas girl. I was born in Austin and I was raised in Leander, graduated Leander High School, um, and then raised my kids in Liberty Hills. So I've seen the area grow and but I've never really moved out. I lived in Mexico for one year um for missions work, but other than that, Texas has been home to me.
Piet Van Waarde:So tell me some of your key influences. Like how did you grow up? What were some of the like your parents and all that?
Crystal Rhea:Yeah. Um, I grew up uh well in a very small community. So my father uh gave his heart to the Lord at the age when I was four. Um he had been a drug addict, Vietnam vet, nightmares, and he gave his heart to the Lord and completely changed his life. And so I was very um, I'm very thankful I was raised in a community where we all kind of grew together of um, I don't know, how to love one another, how to serve. And and I really grew with a strong sense of servitude, especially to my community and a sense of impact from my life that God had given me. Um I became a pastor's kid at age of 16. That was a lot of fun. Um, you know, so um, but yeah. It was. And um, but I always valued mentorship, and so I've had lots of mentors in my life and um got married early and had three beautiful kids. And, you know, it's part of life, right? That we all we all kind of experience these things. So um yeah, it's I've been very privileged and and very thankful to have a foundation, is I would what I would say, is um being raised in a Christian community or with my parents. It wasn't perfection, but I did learn how to have grace and grit at the same time.
Piet Van Waarde:Love that. So you grew up around uh in fact, I was just it was interesting you mentioned that because I met your dad.
Crystal Rhea:Uh-huh.
Piet Van Waarde:I think I took him to lunch, or he took me to lunch sometime and heard his story.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:What a great story.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah, he does.
Piet Van Waarde:Man.
Crystal Rhea:He has like a story of redemption, and I think that's what, and and that was it as what was so beautiful being raised is by him and my mom was that whenever they became pastors, and even before that, he had a heart to help people find redemption in their life. And um, and that's a beautiful thing because we all need it at some point.
Piet Van Waarde:Yeah, well, and especially because that's part of his story. Absolutely. Little fellow black sheep.
Crystal Rhea:Uh yes.
Piet Van Waarde:All right. Uh well, let's now dive into you know what you do now in in your career as a politician. Is that something that you always had interested? Like, did you imagine yourself doing that from a young age?
Crystal Rhea:No. I never as a kid ever thought I'd ever be a mayor. Like it wasn't one of the things that I said, I want to be a mayor one day. Actually, you know, I wanted to be a singer my whole life. Um, but uh yeah, it's it was never politics. You know, I did my normal, you know, duty of voting and staying on top of things, but never a politician did I ever think I'd be in this position. So how did that stick that's usually the next question people ask? Um what's interesting is um because I've been in the community for such a long time, I have lots of really great roots. People know who I am. And um, they they came to me. I had a couple of people just come and ask if I would run for city council. And that's how it started. They felt like there needed to be a change in local government and someone to listen to the people and a and a voice for them. And it was interesting because I asked my dad, I went to him because he had served on city council prior, many years prior. And so I was like, father, why would they ask me? I don't have a degree. I, you know, like I have no background in it. Um, and he said something very important to me that I think everyone should know this is that a politician doesn't come just because of like this knowing of, oh, I know how to, you know, write policy and what to do with it. A politician should be really a servant at heart and a voice for the people that elected them, but then also a voice for everyone. Yeah. Even though it's gonna get into this. Yes, we will. So um, but he said it's really um the character and an ethics. Like in your woman of those two things, the rest, you can learn. Yeah, those are things that you can teach. You can't teach kit people character. That's something that they have to live by in their foundation of who they are. So, so yeah, so I said, okay. So I it was a simple yes, all run. Got elected, and then I'm like, okay, here we go. And God's been through that whole journey with me, you know, uh constantly just praying and saying, okay, what's the next step? Because I didn't, I had no clue. Um, and then um serving as city council, uh, our former mayor uh was wanting, she was just having some health issues and she needed to possibly um quit her term a year early. And so she asked if I would run in her and finish out her one-year term. So I said, yes, I'll do that, and got elected there. And then a year later, the community wanted me to stay. And really, it's me asking the community if you think I'm doing a good job and you want me to be here, yeah, then I'll stay and continue to serve this community. So awesome. Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:So uh I want to ask two kind of follow-up questions related to that. So, what have you loved about the role and what has been maybe more difficult, not as fun.
Crystal Rhea:There's it's never a difficult moment. Right. Um well, let's start with the thing that I love. I love um serving the people. I love the people that are in our community. I love the idea of being able to be their voice and take their vision and try to implement something that's gonna last forever in Liberty Hill as far as sustainability and the future for their kids, you know, um, being raised in parks and all the things that even I used to enjoy, you know, like the the skies and things of that sort. So that's my favorite part is the people. Um, the parts that tend to be a little challenging is, and I don't know why it is with politics, but um, in politics it's interesting because you can kind of it's almost like people put you at a different level. I'm human just like everyone else. And so sometimes it can be challenging um when people make assumptions and without coming and asking questions to seek to understand. Yeah. And there's a lot of things that, you know, as an elected official, you see behind the scenes or you see a lot of things in the future that could come your way, especially with what other cities are doing that could impact us. Yeah. And so you have to make very difficult decisions that may not make sense right now, but it will in five years, 10 years from now. Yeah. And so sometimes the challenge can be having grace in those moments when you might be at uh some of you attacked or, you know, um, you know, judged in a way that, you know, you're like, wait, no, that's not me, you know. Um, but having grace because really it comes from a place that they just don't understand, you know, there's just a lack of understanding. So then it comes to, well, how do we educate? You know, how can we do better?
Piet Van Waarde:Awesome.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:So when you think about like you alluded to it earlier of like I I have a constituency that I am trying to appeal to because they got me elected, but then you also have the community as a whole, which some people may not have been excited about you being elected. How do you both stay faithful to your constituency and sensitive to the needs of the community? How do you navigate? Do you have a grid that you think through or well?
Crystal Rhea:There's no grid. I'll say that for sure. I don't, I'm definitely not data driven, but um, that's not my strength. But I what I always try to remind myself, it is the voice of all people. So whether um they elected me or not, it still matters and it still counts because the decisions that we make impact them. Um so, and I'm never get afraid or scared of an idea that's different than mine. I actually welcome it. Like I love people that have new ideas because I think it challenges, you know, the overall system in a sense of how can we do better? Yeah. Maybe there is a way we don't know. Um, but what I always try to do is always have, I mean, we have two ears, so always listen more than I am to speak. And then really take in consideration what the concerns are. Yeah. And if we can't specifically address it, how in other ways might we be able to, you know, to support or address it?
Piet Van Waarde:So yeah. And so when when you have a difference of opinion with somebody that um, you know, wasn't necessarily excited about seeing you uh get elected, what are some of the things that you do to try and navigate that sensitive conversation? Are there again some things that you think about or some tactics that you use?
Crystal Rhea:Well, absolutely. Um and we actually have I have a scenario for you, a recent one that I can share with you. Um so we we just became a dark sky community. And um, when we were brought this to the attention of, you know, our my constituents and that we were gonna do this in our community, um, there was some fear around that as because what was gonna happen is that certain businesses were gonna have to have certain types of light bulbs andor um turn their lights off between certain hours of the evening and there were just gonna be basically not as much freedom. Okay. And uh with that came some, you know, concerns that were being raised. And small business owners, and we completely understand, definitely don't want to add any more, you know, pressure on them for sure. Um so for us, what we ended up doing is do we want dark skies? Do we want to be able to see the stars at night? I d yes, absolutely, you know. Um we're never gonna be, you know, crazy, but at the same time, having too many lights or you know, stores that keep their lights open all night long, is that really necessary? Maybe not. Yeah. So then it was, well, then we need to go in and have conversations with these small business owners and start seeing how can we still accomplish what we want, but then also do it in a way that they don't feel like there's this heavy-handed government. That is one thing that I ran on. I I'm fine with some policies, but I'm not gonna create a policy just because I'm bored or just because two people want it and it's an agenda. Yeah, it's gotta be good for the whole. And if it's not, then we gotta look at that and see if it's really useful.
Piet Van Waarde:Yeah, right. Good. Love that. Love that.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:So all right. So um I I'm I I said in my intro that one of the things that's really worrying, worrisome to me is the way in which even among believers, it seems that there's this animosity. I mean, it's just like uh I read a quote the other day that I thought was really interesting. We used to uh say you can't marry somebody from a different ethnicity or you can't marry somebody from a different faith. Now it's like you can't you can't marry somebody from a different political party. It's like that has become the dividing line.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:And I just feel like it's so sad that uh we can't have um conversation around topics that are, yeah, they're contentious and people have different opinions about it without the name calling. Like, can't can't we do this? So now you're a person in that arena, so I'm guessing you're getting it from both sides at some level. And I'm curious what you would say as like speaking to like the community at large or even to your friends. Like, here are some things that I think might be helpful for us to consider in the midst of having this conversation. Here are some things that I think are important because and I love what you said earlier, like you're just a human like everybody else. You got feelings, you make mistakes, like come on, give us a break, you know. So, what are some of the things that you would suggest would be good for that kind of conversation?
Crystal Rhea:Well, I do um what I'm about to say may not be really popular, but I told you I was gonna be very transparent. I'm not a politician in the sense that um I don't am I in a party technically, yes. But um I think that for some reason on both, you know, both parties, both or all sides, we I've been pulled out on both ends to say, why are you going that way or why are you going this way? Um when it comes to the way that I vote, I vote based off my principles and based off of how my constituents and I, uh you know, what their voice is. Um, whenever we get come to a table and we talk about things that are very controversial, um, for whatever reason now, I don't remember it being this way back like in the 80s and 90s, even. But now it's almost like we take it as in a personal attack and we get super offended, defensive immediately instead of seeking to understand. And when we understand where someone's coming from and why they believe or why they're thinking the way that they are, that opens up a whole nother conversation. Yeah. Because at the end of the day, we probably all want the same thing. So true. We all want the same thing. But because we automatically come at it with an attack or a defense, um, we really close that door of being open-minded and um really having a conversation. You know, I missed the days, and I believe it was Ben Carson that had talked about this, which was he was saying how we've lost the art of uh disagreeing but agreeing to disagree and still respecting each other when we're you know at church or when we're out at the you know, restaurant, local restaurant, and we see each other still being respectful and saying, Hey, how are the kids? How's life? Um that we've completely aligned that it well, if you're with that party, you're against me. Right. And it's you know, that the only thing that that's gonna change is each uh each of us individually. Yeah. It's gonna be the people. Um and it's one thing that um it kind of goes in line with what I ran on with our community, whenever, you know, we're the fastest growing community in Williamson County still. We have been for the last three years, and there are some people who have been there for a long time, and of course, with growth comes, you know, some some obstacles, but also fears of, you know, we didn't move here to be a big into a big city and what's gonna happen with the small neck community. Yeah. And one thing that I kept trying to remind people what keeps a community way that it is is its people at the end of the day. Right. So if we're at a local restaurant, we see a new face or see a new family, but we yet our kids may go to the same school, why not say, Hey, welcome, you seem like you're new, and and just have those conversations, you know. And and I think that's getting lost in general, the human, the human aspect of who we are, um, that we're much more than our political beliefs. Yeah. Amen. Yeah, like if we can just meet each other there, of being human again, you know, um, I think we'll be able to see our world change a lot, you know.
Piet Van Waarde:Yeah, yeah.
Crystal Rhea:In a lot bigger way.
Piet Van Waarde:So uh you're also a person of faith and uh you take your faith seriously. And I'm always one of the questions I love answering uh with my fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord is like, how does your faith influence what you do? Like, are there things that you can kind of point to either from a polyp policy perspective or even just like personally, how you approach your work that you could say is connected to your faith and how you want to express it?
Crystal Rhea:Yeah. Um my faith is at the foundation of of all of this. Uh it is difficult, it's challenging for sure, to uh be in a position where you're making very difficult decisions and heavy decisions that can impact a whole community. And so with that, I don't take it lightly. And a lot of things I take to prayer. Um, I seek wise counsel because I'm definitely not someone who thinks I'm gonna know it all. Um so I think that's also very important in my role. When I think about scripture, you know, kings, they had they had prophet prophets, you know, who would, you know, give them insight before they went into battle. And and sometimes I felt like God was saying, like, you need your mentors around you because they may be able to see things or know things that you don't know or give you a connection that you need that's gonna open up, you know, the doors. So um, so it's been very impactful to me. And of course, also there's a lot of challenges that can come. And um, at times when you're in servitude like this and you give, um, there's you can get really depleted real fast. And um, and I saw that even with my father as a pastor, you know, when you're constantly in a give state, and you you probably know this, you know, as a pastor. So when you're constantly in the give state, um, it's gotta be Christ that that renews your soul and your spirit. And um, I don't start a day without spending that quality time with him, reading and and just in a quiet moment. Our lives are so busy. Yeah, there's so much noise. God's really put me in a place of just like silence, solitude, just even if it's for 15 minutes. Yeah. Um, and that's been really beneficial to me as far as being able to handle the things that have come our way. And then also how do we make the best decisions and also bridging? I mean, of course there's gonna be disagreements. Yeah. So how do you do that? How do you bring people together when there's a disagreement? And I couldn't imagine doing it without the insight of the Holy Spirit. And and you know, scripture, there's so many things in scripture that give us just key things to live by in everyday life. Yeah, yeah. And they're simple, you know, they're not overcomplicated. We complicate it, you know, but they're very simple to do. It they're difficult because whenever it says forgive your, you know, forgive those that do, you know, harm against you, that can be challenging, you know. Um, what does that look like? You know, living that every day, picking up my cross and saying, okay, today I choose to forgive. So, you know, it does, it it it keeps me grounded in why I do what I do, and also to realize that I can't do this alone.
Piet Van Waarde:Yeah, yeah, I love that.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:Is there um like a specific example of something that you could say I was facing, and and I know you probably have some issues related to like I got I can't be totally up front or conf you know confidential stuff.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:But can you point to something where you were facing a decision and there was a way in which your faith had a specific application?
Crystal Rhea:Hmm. Many. Trying to think of which one. Um yeah, uh without getting too specific, you know. Yes, there was there was a season where there were some challenges and there were some hard decisions that needed to be made. And my human self did not want to take a road that basically I felt my spirit was saying, you know, and it did require an open mind, an open heart, again, forgiveness and um and another level of trust, you know. And um, but it wasn't without ignorance or, you know, being um naive about a situation. It was more of obedience to the Lord and him saying, This is what you need to do if you want to be an effective leader for your town. And with every little step and every day it was a decision to say and bring God into the daily activities that I was doing, and I'd say, okay, how far do I trust? How far do I lean in? And allowing him to guide me and be in true surrender. Um, and it took, it wasn't overnight. You know, sometimes I think I I know for me, I can tend to get impatient. Yeah, or like, I'm doing it or you know, like, and it's been two months and I'm not seeing the fruit from my labor. And it took probably, I would say, a good five to six months before the weight sometimes that we feel of those things that can come against us when we feel it may be unjust, is how do we still lead? How do we still serve? And um, being able to surrender that to the Lord completely. Yeah. And whenever it's time, that weight just slides right off and then it's smooth sailing, you know, and you see it, you know, you see the fruit from just really surrender.
Piet Van Waarde:So I love that.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah. Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:I what what you're sharing reminds me that um so often, and and this can be like in personal decisions as well as decisions that we make in our career, is that we know there's something we need to do, and all the things that um could come from that decision, like we we anticipate, well, it could lead to this or it could lead to that, or we'll offend this person, or that's gonna be really hard. We have this big, like uh dark cloud in our mind about how bad this could go.
Crystal Rhea:Right. Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:And then it seems as if when we go ahead and take the first step, it's like, okay, it's hard, but it's not as bad as I had imagined. And then, you know, every with every step, it's more like there's strength that comes along the way, there's perspective that you gain. And then I think, uh, maybe especially in a role like what you're playing, is that people are inspired by courage. Like when they see you doing something that they know is hard and they they see you taking those courageous steps. It's like, all right, I may not agree with everything that she's doing, but I respect the courage.
Crystal Rhea:Well, it's funny that you bring that up because we did have a situation and that that came up with so um we're building and we've made a huge decision right now to build an advanced water treatment facility. And um, with that came some concerns from some constituents. And um, so when we had our big town hall to bring anybody who had questions about it, we're gonna come here, we're gonna answer. We had our engineers fly in, like this was the moment to get science-y, you know. I'm not their science person, but they are and they can answer those questions. Well, in the at the end of that meeting before we had split off and you know, opened up to the outdoors or where they can go and ask, um, we had some some people there in the audience that were challenging and just did not understand, but instead of shying away or shutting them down, it was let's talk about this, but let's first go get our questions answered. And then if you still have those same questions, then let's meet up. And sure enough, after they still had the same ones and they talked to everybody there. And um, although it it started off by being in a place of really protecting what they were trying to protect, where they're like, wait, what are you doing? Um, it ended in a way that they understood that as leaders of the city, we are making the best decision. And we know it's not easy and we know it's gonna be has some challenges along the way, but we're here and we're gonna be transparent and we're gonna involve the community and we're gonna we can only do this together. Yeah. So, but for the future of Liberty Hill, they understood that Liberty Hill was in good hands with its leadership. And that was because myself and the team that was there, we led in a way that didn't, you know, shut their their questions down, shy away from it, go hide anywhere. Yeah. It was okay, let's talk. Let's go. Yeah. And and that's fine, you know, and and let's be straightforward, you know.
Piet Van Waarde:Yeah, because if it really is best for the community, even if people have concerns going in, if you've done your due diligence and you have the right people, you know, leading the project, then it becomes obvious to people like, okay, we don't have anything to be afraid of. Like, we're trying to do what's best for the community. If you have a question, go ahead and ask it. Absolutely.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:All right. I want to ask uh a little more personal question, if that's okay. Absolutely. So you have you know a lot of responsibilities, and you kind of touched on it already, but I want to like unpack that a little bit. And that is like, so you have a lot of this responsibility. You're a very busy person. Um, you want to, you know, stay faithful to your uh commitments and your family and all that. How do you balance it all? Like, what are some of the things that you have as like non-negotiable practices that help keep you even keeled?
Crystal Rhea:Well, um, that's always been kind of the question for me for sure, because I do have a full-time job and you know, and then also the mayor role. But um the things that are non-negotiables for me are definitely every morning, my morning time with the Lord. Um, that's a non-negotiable. Um, I have a very close circle of friends that I stay in the loop with. Um I feel like that feeds my soul and uh and we challenge each other and they hold me accountable. It's all the things. Uh, but then also my family time, you know, with my parents and my kids. Um, but for me, what's interesting about this stage of my life is um when I said yes um to, you know, serving and yes to the Lord and doing this, I didn't realize that, you know what, I actually have time because um my kids are all grown, they're out of the house, they're you know, doing their own thing, you know. And um and so really it's it's a season of my life where I've got the time. There's 24 hours in a day and and I pride myself on managing my time really well. Um, I do have to schedule in some rest time because I can become what's called the workaholic, you know, where I'm just constantly on. Um, but I uh but overall, the season of my life I've been able to learn how to balance to where I can do both. Uh because I don't really have, you know, I'm emptiness, or I guess you could say. And uh yeah. So it's like my community is my family right now too. So taking care of that.
Piet Van Waarde:Uh great.
Crystal Rhea:Yeah. Yeah.
Piet Van Waarde:There is some reciprocity, right? There is when you're doing good in your community, community that is good for you.
Crystal Rhea:Absolutely. Yes.
Piet Van Waarde:Um, okay, last question. What do you see for your future? What are like where are you headed? Like you're the mayor now, and what do you see as your future?
Crystal Rhea:Well, I just got re-elected in May. So I've got another, you know, I've got three years total with that. Um, but I don't know what's as far as politics, you know, uh what that future holds. I do know that my heart is servitude. It's in building uh teams. I'm so, you know, I love doing that. So whether what I've learned in my capacity as a politician and in the political arena, if I can take that and, you know, have another impact somewhere else, um, I'm really just open to whatever lies ahead. Yeah. Um, and just focused right now on infrastructure and how to put a foundation in this city right now that is gonna last and build something great for the next 20 to 50 years. So, and whatever happens after that, you know, um, who knows? I'll probably just say yes to it.
Piet Van Waarde:Keep saying yes. Any ideas? Uh like break some.
Crystal Rhea:I do have some ideas in my head. I'm a big dreamer, um, but nothing that has come to fruition yet. Okay. Um, and mainly just because of bandwidth, because of time. Yeah. Um, but you know, I see that that's gonna open up in the near future. And so, yeah. Yeah, all right. Who knows?
Piet Van Waarde:Well, maybe we'll have to have you back when it's two of those things. Well, it's been so good to have this conversation, Crystal. Thank you so much for joining us. And uh loved your answers and and and you know, but I I make this uh matter of like Lord, bring us together, help us to figure out this out. It's a matter of daily prayer, and I pray for you in your role. And uh, and now that people know a little bit about your story, maybe there'll be some more prayer warriors.
Crystal Rhea:Listen, I'm not gonna say no to more prayer warriors.
Piet Van Waarde:And thank you for joining us. We're so grateful that you took some time to be part of this conversation, and uh, please join us next week as we have another sidewalk conversation.
