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The final bell 🔔 has rung for big George Forman/ big trouble for big U and the rollin 60s
We'll find out tonight how much the Ali fight took out of Frazier, if anything, and we'll find out tonight just how good George Foreman is in punching and in taking a punch. I think he hurt Joe Frazier. I think Joe is hurt. Angie Dundee, ali's trainer right next to me, is saying that you may hear him Down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier. The heavyweight champion is taking the mandatory eight count and Foreman is as poised as can be in a neutral corner. He is as poised as can be. We have a minute left in this first round and already this fight is proving it.
Speaker 3:Peace, peace, and welcome back to Freedman's Affairs Radio, the Freedman's Network. Let me turn this down a little bit. And how are you? On this beautiful sunrise, march 25th 2025.
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Speaker 3:But anyway, the little piece that I played, we're going to go back to that. That was from the fight in Kingston, jamaica. Was it Kingston, that first fight with Foreman and Frazier? But anyway, family, as you've heard, as you heard, friday the 21st, we lost the great, big George Foreman, the great champion, big George Foreman, he departed from us. Big George Foreman, the great champion, big George Foreman. He departed from us and, yeah, that's what it's been, and his family released a statement on Friday and we here to pay tribute to that, because he was one of our greats. I mean, george had well, let me not call him George, I didn't know the man personally, but Mr Foreman had an amazing journey in life and there's a lot to learn from him, right, and we're going to touch on those things. We're going to touch on some of those things up here. So let's go back to the clip, and that was Howard Cosell, the famous down goes Frazier, down goes Frazier. But let us go back to the clip. Let us go back.
Speaker 1:What some have expected. Oh, that left is getting in there underneath, underneath, archie Moore is yelling. The foreman we've got the excitement here that we look for. Frazier is dazed. He is getting hit again and again and again. The same head that was hit so often by Muhammad Ali Frazier is day. You see the countdown for the first round. Foreman has not panicked. Foreman is going about his job. Foreman is all over Joe Frazier. Frazier is down again and he may be. No, he is rising, he is game. He doesn't know where he is. The mandatory eight count. He doesn't know where he is. The mandatory eight count. He doesn't know where he is. Now the round is about to end.
Speaker 1:Two knockdowns in the first round of Joe Frazier Down again. No saving by the bell, he's up and so the fight continues. Three knockdowns in the first round by George Foreman. The stool hasn't even been brought out yet for Frazier. What excitement. You're looking at Joe Frazier. Yancey Durham over the crowd, shocked. But the crowd here rooting for Foreman, muhammad Ali, was their hero. Now you're looking in slow motion the right for the first knockdown, clean as a whistle. Oh, what a first round. Well, back in Frazier's corner as you look at them working over Joe, the ice pack at the back of the neck to restore the center. Let's go to the slow-mo for the second knockdown. The right again Clean as a right again Fleen. It was a whistle again. We're waiting for the start now of round two. There was no question about the first round. Three knockdowns Now. Joe is coming out. Adam wants to come back in a hurry. You'll not find a gamer man than Joe Frazier. Joe Frazier went down three times in the first round.
Speaker 1:A caution from Arthur McCanny. Oh, he is all over Frazier again. He has Frazier in the corner. Frazier's knees buckled. He is about, he is down. He is down for the fourth time in the fight. George Foreman is doing to Joe Frazier what he did as a 19-year-old to a veteran Russian, a fellow named Iona Shapula, in October of 1968 in the Mexico City Arena a quick left from George. Another Frazier is down for the fifth time in this fight. Fifth time, Three times in the first round, Twice in the second. But can he Check his senses? Check Frazier's senses? It's target practice for George Brommer. It is target practice. Frazier is ready to go again. Joe is standing there. He goes Three times, Three times.
Speaker 1:The fight is stopped. No, it is not, it is not stopped. Angie Dundee is screaming stop it. Bertie Pacheco, Ali's doctor next week. It is over, it is over, it is over. In the second round. George Foreman is the heavyweight champion of the world and I'm going up into that ring to talk to Joe Frazier, the loser, and to George Foreman, the winner, because Joe Frazier has been a great champion and deserves consideration. Nancy Durham hugging him. They're going crazy about George.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that was amazing. That was when George first won the championship. When he first won, the title was against Frazier. He knocked Frazier down six times in that fight, six times, six times in that fight, six times. Now this was his first championship fight for Big George, foreman the first one, and he was afraid. He revealed later that he was really afraid of Joe Frazier, because Joe Frazier would just keep coming at you. There was no man tougher than Joe Frazier. Let's understand that.
Speaker 3:And now all three of these men are gone Frazier, ali and Foreman. Now Foreman is gone, and those men along with others, because the heavyweight division was so loaded during the late 60s and 70s. It was so loaded All of the greats Ernie Shavers, kenny Norton, george Savallo it was just stacked from top to bottom. It wasn't boxing wasn't like it is now. I don't really even watch boxing. I mean, mayweather got the last of my attention. And then you know guys like Tank Davis. I love me some Tank, but boxing is no longer what it was. It's very watered down now. These guys don't want to fight each other. Everybody wants to stay undefeated and nobody wants to really fight. In those days those guys fought. I mean they fought Jimmy Young, ron Lyle Ron Lyle won it between Ron Lyle Big, george Foreman and Ernie Shavers and Joe you can add Joe Louis to that also. But they said those four right, there were some of the hard. They were the hardest punchers ever in boxing history. Was those guys In later years coming in the 80s you got young Mike Tyson coming up.
Speaker 3:But see, the thing with Mike Tyson was and let's make no mistakes about it Tyson was really afraid of George Foreman. This is why they never fought in George Foreman's second career. They never fought because Tyson was actually afraid of him. He didn't want nothing to do with him. But George revealed too he really didn't want nothing to do with Tyson, but Tyson was really afraid of him because he was such a big puncher. Now, what made the difference between Foreman and Tyson was let me get a bed back in here, hold on, hold on. The difference between Tyson and Foreman was that Tyson was so fast and those angles he would come at, he was so explosive. He had power. Now Don't get it twisted. Tyson had raw power, but not on the level of George Foreman.
Speaker 3:George Foreman fighters described getting hit by George Foreman. It was like somebody hitting you with a 50-pound bag of rocks. That's how it felt the force. He would hit you with the, not the fists but the outside of the fists, like you're banging on the desk. He would hit you with that and knock you cold Out cold, knock you out or knock you down. He would hit you with that and knock you cold out cold, knock you out or knock you down. He would hit guys so hard. Big George Foreman hit guys so hard that they would actually turn their backs on him because the equilibrium was off and they were dazed, they didn't know where they were at, so they would be actually turning their backs to him. He would have them so discombobulated with the force.
Speaker 3:Tyson didn't have that kind of power and Ernie Shavers was another hard hitter like that. And then Ali said that when he fought Shavers he wasn't afraid of forming but he was afraid of Shavers. He said when he fought Shavers he would hold up a high guard and his forearms would be there and it felt like Shavers was punching, it felt like he was breaking his forearms. That's how hard Shavers was hitting. Ron Lyon was another hard hitter. This is what these licks upside the head I believe is what caused Ali his deterioration, you know, with the Parkinson's and everything, getting them licks upside the head like that by those kind of guys. Because he fought all of them. He fought Ron Lyon, he fought Big George and he fought Shavers. He fought all three of them and those were some of the hardest punches ever recorded in boxing history. But back to george foreman. Uh, let's see, can we get get some um reporting in here.
Speaker 4:Hold on, let me just pull it up here weight champ, larger than life in every way, passed away today at the age of 76. Foreman's rags-to-riches story is the stuff of boxing legend. Growing up impoverished, a mugger and brawler on the streets of Texas, he found organized boxing as a teen, quickly rising to Olympic champ at 24, and, at 24, stunning Joe Frazier to become the heavyweight champion of the world. His ascension as dramatic as his fall to Muhammad Ali in the famed Rumble in the Jungle match to lose his title. Yet after leaving the sport and becoming a minister, he returned to the ring over a decade later, a new man, and then miraculously recaptured the heavyweight title at the age of 45 against Michael Moore, who was 19 years, his junior.
Speaker 4:His popularity afterwards helped him make millions as a pitchman, and his George Foreman griller nearly eclipsed his boxing fame for a time. But the legacy he leaves to use a boxing analogy is one where he could be down but could never be counted out. Foreman's family released the following statement via his Instagram account With profound sorrow we announce the passing of our beloved George Edward Foreman Sr, who peacefully departed on March 21st 2025, surrounded by loved ones, a devout preacher, a devoted husband, a loving father and a proud grand and great grandfather. He lived a life marked by unwavering faith, humility and purpose.
Speaker 5:We welcome an ESPN Boxing commentator, mark Kriegel. Now, mark, it's almost like there were two George Foreman's. There was the guy who played the heavy, really the villain, against Muhammad Ali and Zaire a half a century ago. Let's talk about that guy first, tell us about the young George Foreman.
Speaker 6:Well, if you look at boxing as a continuum, he was somewhere between he was the scary guy, so he's between Sonny Liston and Mike Tyson. And you know Joe Frazier was about as tough a guy who's ever laced up gloves. He put him down six times and I think that really crystallized Foreman's reputation as invincible. Everybody. You know who's going to put down Joe Frazier six times and it set up the rumble in the jungle, arguably as famous a fight as ever there was for Ali, which of course left Foreman, I think, psychiatrically scarred. You know he was the bully who was undone against Ali and it was probably Ali's finest moment. It was what he did in the rope-a-dope was pretty much improvisational and it tested his courage and it tested everyone's limits in watching this. How long can Ali do this? And then, of course, you saw what happened. He turned it all around on the bully.
Speaker 6:What's different about Foreman than perhaps anyone else is the idea, as you cited before, of reinventing yourself. It's uniquely American, but it's never been done this way in boxing. It wasn't just coming back as a preacher and a pitchman and selling hamburgers or grills or whatever it was. It was more purposeful than any of us knew. As far as boxing. The previous oldest heavyweight champion, I believe, was Jersey Joe Walcott, who won when he was 37.
Speaker 6:Foreman came back when he was just shy of his 46th birthday, I think two months shy and and in doing it he it was his own kind of rope-a-dope that night against michael moore. I'll never forget it. He took punches, more, was a really skilled guy and he just, he just beat him up for nine rounds, more did with a great right right jab and all of a sudden Foreman reaches out, slaps him with the left hook and you see that right hand, that thing traveled this far. Boom, and it puts him out. And it was. It was an extraordinary, extraordinary comeback and I think that across all the other sports are metaphors for what boxing actually is, or metaphors for what boxing actually is. But what Foreman did that night was the most sacred thing any athlete can do. He defied time and he did it in a profound way, winning by knockout in the 10th round after taking extraordinary punishment for basically nine and a half rounds.
Speaker 5:Unbelievable, larger than life figure winning titles in two different decades, 20 years apart, had five sons, named them all George. Just just a colorful, if I can add one thing yes, you know he was.
Speaker 6:He didn't just reinvent himself. He was a bad guy who came back as a guy who was universally loved. It's a very difficult thing to do in any piece of life.
Speaker 5:Yeah, absolutely yeah. He basically changed everyone's mind about himself. And really a remarkable life. Our boxing commentator, mark Kriegel, sharing some memories, some insight into George Foreman. Mark, thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that was was he reinvented himself and, like I said, we're going to touch on a little bit about that. And there was a, there was a piece that I had. Well, two things I want to play up here. I want to play this here. This was the Dick Cavett show. And there was the guest that night was Joe Frazier, bill Cosby and Jack Benny, and they talked about the fight. This is a few days after Foreman had beat Frazier. Let's go to that a little bit, hold on.
Speaker 8:One thing that people have been saying about you was Frazier never realized what a beating he had taken from Ali, and that that's why Well, the way I feel about it, I'm not going to give anybody a critic you know what I mean for something that another man did, you understand I'm not going to give. You know I don't want to take any critic, that you know. When Bob Foster put like maybe 10 stitches in his eyes, I didn't say, you know, joe Frazier did it. You know, when George Foreman, you know, stopped me, let's say two weeks ago, I don't think I should give credit to Clay. You know what I mean. George caught me with the shot, so I think it was George that really won the fight. Is there any?
Speaker 8:chance that he switched styles on you, since you had seen him fight before. Well, no, he didn't switch styles. You know what I mean. He just like come out and work. You know what I mean. And you know big, strong fella. And I know one thing you ask me how well that he fight. I don't know. But I can tell you one thing he punch good.
Speaker 7:He punch very good. That's a model. I'll take your word for it. Yeah, is there any uh truth to the this sort of rumor that your manager was always against your fighting him?
Speaker 8:well, uh, fighting, I don't know uh you know, managers and trainers and, uh, you know, they always against uh, something that you get involved in. You know what I mean. But uh, sometime, you know, you take a chance. Well it, well, what? As long as I've been fighting, I always had a tendency of pushing my managers a little faster, you know, and I really had to want to go and they had to put me in. Uh, you know, keep fighting me, keep fighting thing a lot, because I, like I, go pretty fast in the game, you know. So. Therefore, you know, uh, I had to want to fight because I didn't want the reputation of trying to duck or shun anybody. I'm a fighting champion. I had to want to fight George, and I lost the fight fair and square. But you know what I say. Back to the drawing board now.
Speaker 7:Is it embarrassing to go out of the house the next day or for a couple of days?
Speaker 8:No, not to me because you know what I mean. I kind of put myself together for a day like this. I didn't expect a day to come so early, you know what I mean. But anyway I prepare myself, you know, by being kind and nice to everybody. I treat everybody like I like to be treated. You know what I mean. So I wasn't the type of guy like I carried a whole flock.
Speaker 3:Let me just comment real quick. We're going to go back to the clip, but let me comment on that. You heard what Joe Frazier said. He treated people as he wanted to be treated. Now Foreman Foreman came out the gate. Uh, foreman was a big, mean mean dude, big bad, mean dude, and the people didn't really take the form. In his first career in boxing he wasn't really liked. Now he followed because his idol was Sonny Liston. And Sonny Liston was another big, bad dude, big mean bad dude, sonny Liston. He had those dudes petrified, a lot like Mike Tyson. That's where Tyson fashioned his aura around Liston. Same with Foreman. They followed Liston With those cold stares they would stare at during the fight.
Speaker 3:When they come out to get the rules from the ref. They would. You know the stare down man. Them guys would look straight through you and the fight would pretty much be won at that point because the fear, the fear factor, those guys with those cold, steely eyes would be looking at you. And you know, I only time I ever experienced that in life was my father had eyes like that. He would look at you and it seemed like he would be cutting through your soul and that's how these guys look, but they got that from Sonny Liston. Both Tyson and Foreman got that look from Sonny Liston. But let's go back to the clip. Let's go back to the clip. Let's go back to it.
Speaker 8:Let's finish listening to it along with me. You know, I call the car a few guys that, really that they own the payroll and I paid them. So after this day, shit arrived. Then I don't know how to handle myself. So the next day I went out, you know, and I went to my gym and they had welcome home champ. You know what I mean. So I tell them you well, that's good too, and I go around like today. They asked me what I'm coming on your show. I said, well, why not? I imagine you like to have me on the show and the people want to see what you know what is all about. And the one listen to me. So therefore I'm not gonna hide from it, you know, because I got whoop. You know I've been whooped once you know I got whooped a lot of time from mama.
Speaker 8:You know what I mean, but she is good too.
Speaker 1:I want to tell you something we have also laid eggs. You know, on the stage we've been licked.
Speaker 9:We've been licked. On the stage I run the bomb with a joke any day then I get hit I'm not so sure are you me. I rather late, don't let nobody hit me. Well, I guess it's, but I don't like the different on the stage either. Well, if I had my druthers, jack. If the guy said okay, joe Frazier is gonna hit you in the forehead or you can tell a bad joke. No, I would rather tell a bad joke. Okay, but if I had a choice.
Speaker 7:I'm going to give you a bad joke? No, if I had a choice of Joe Frazier hitting me but that same night I did a terrific two-hour show.
Speaker 9:Then I'd be all right.
Speaker 7:I'd say Joe Freer hit me, you'd take the punch in exchange for doing the show and then go out and do the show.
Speaker 9:No, you're not hitting me no time. And on top of that I'd tell a bad joke too, I guess that would be the bad joke, Joey.
Speaker 7:did you want the fight to go on when you knew they were stopping it?
Speaker 8:Well, after I found out that I had a bad like uh cutting my lip, you know, I got uh rubber cut, like my teeth right the teeth, like you know, yeah, cut into it. So therefore, you know, it was no argument about, you know, keeping the fight going on because I already been cut. So therefore, I rather have my lip and then, you know, keep trying to put it together did you ever hear from from Ali since this? Well, no, I didn't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that was Bill Cosby and Jack Benny with the little sidebar there. But you know what? There was a famous line in a movie. I think it was let's Do it Again with Bill Cosby and Cindy Poitier and George Foreman had a cameo there, and that cameo was classic. I'm going to play it here and let you hear it. Hold on a second.
Speaker 9:Hey, what happened out there, billy, we're clutched up. Yeah, I thought we were stuck to clutch. See you tomorrow night at out there, billy, my clutch stuck. Yeah, I thought what stuck your clutch. See you tomorrow night at Lou's Billy. No, sir, no poker for me. Taking my wife to New Orleans this weekend. You going to see the fight, no, just taking some shows. Do a little dancing.
Speaker 8:What kind of dancing you going to do with them two left feet? You got there Two flat left feet.
Speaker 5:Yeah, if you don't watch it, you may find a flat left foot in your navel. Yeah, you, and who else Just me chump and a flat left foot in your navel Look out.
Speaker 8:now You're going to get your clutch stuck again.
Speaker 9:Watch your lips because they may get you into something that your behind can't get you out of and you may have two left feet dead in your sternum.
Speaker 8:I think we can get it on right now.
Speaker 9:What, what? Right now, because I am tired of you, man. Every time you come around here it's been words back and forth. I'm sick of it. I don't care how much you swell up, everything's swollen. Keep an eye on him now. Now, no wait, don't throw no punches. I'm going to talk to you for one second Now. Look, let me tell you something Before we get it on. I just want to tell you something. This is all. I love you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was from let's Do it Again. That little piece was between Big George Foreman and Bill Cosby. That was classic, classic, classic stuff. And anytime we lose people that we love and we recognize up here on the Freedmen's Network, we're going to come up here and pay tribute to such a great one as George, big George Foreman. And I wanted to say back to the second part of his career.
Speaker 3:He, when he left boxing the first time after losing to Jimmy Young, because after he lost to Ali he had one or two more fights. But the real disappointment came when he faced Jimmy Young and because he beat Ron Lyle he ended up knocking Ron Lyle out and he lost to Jimmy Young, who was a virtual come up at the time. He was a newcomer and that really scarred him. The loss from Ali really bothered him really bad and it played scarred him. The loss from Ali really it bothered him really bad and it played on his mind. But the loss to Jimmy Young really sealed his career, his first career in boxing. He went into a depression and things like that and he left boxing and he turned to the religion, the faith. He turned a Christian, he became a minister. Actually he became a preacher. He was a minister, a pastor of a big church there in Texas, somewhere in there, because people say he was born in Houston. He was not born in Houston. He was born in the Fifth Ward. Not born in Houston, he was born in the fifth ward, a place called Marshall, texas, close to the very close to Houston, that fifth ward area. But fifth ward was very tough and he grew up robbing and stealing and stuff like that because the the area was a very impoverished area and he had to, he had, he, he was, he was a tough guy, guy, he was a ruffian, he was out there robbing people and early then he was knocking people out as a young teenager, you know. And he led a life of crime. However, he went into the Olympics and won and started his career in boxing, but those, as I say, those losses to Ali and then to Jimmy Young really put him out. It sealed his first career and he, he. There was a 10-year hiatus that he didn't fight and then he came back 10 years later and wreaked havoc through the heavyweight division and finally he lost to Holyfield and I wish I could find that clip. But in that fight with Holyfield now, holyfield won the fight. Evander Holyfield won the fight but he said one round George had hit him in the mouth so hard that when he was stuck and I seen the clip, I seen it, I watched it over and over. Ever since I got news of his um, his uh, departure on friday I've been watching news reels and different clips of you know a sports center and ESPN, different clips of him and in that fight he had with Evander Holyfield, holyfield had hit him. I mean, big George had hit Evander one time and he caught him flush, caught him flush in the face and there was a bell rung for the round to end but Holyfield was stuck and the bell rung for the round to end but Holyfield was stuck. And he said he was just so stunned, dazed, that he had to gather his senses to make it to the corner. And he said, when he got to the corner they took his mouth guard out and Evander Holyfield asked his corner, did he knock all my teeth out? He said it felt like he hit him in the face. And he said he felt like he knocked all of his teeth out. This is how hard this man hit and, like I said, the heavyweight division was stacked and loaded from top to bottom. I just named some of them guys. Jimmy Young was a virtual come-up, he was a newcomer. Ken Norton of them guys Jimmy Young was a virtual come up, he was a newcomer, ken Norton, and those guys, these guys were great champions, great fighters.
Speaker 3:But moving on, talking about another big fella, talking about another, let me get the bed back in here. Hold on, hold on, get the levels right. Yeah, family, I'm talking about another big guy. Oh boy, oh boy, and most people seen this coming. Most people saw this coming. We're talking about Big U from Los Angeles, from the rolling 60s. Hold on, I. I had to. Well, let me, let me put it back up here. Yeah, they finally got he turned himself in. I believe it was Friday. He turned him. I think it was Friday he turned himself in because they ran down and raided like 19 or 20 of these guys from the rolling 60 crips out there in Los Angeles and you know, big U was one of the heads, he was one of the top guys there for a long time with the Rolling 60s Crip set out there in California and I think it was 19 of them on this indictment and he's been charged and I got to tell you, family, I looked at the indictment. I looked at the indictment. I went on the government site and pulled it up. I'm telling you they loaded him up with charges and there was a 15 year investigation from 2010. They've been investigating this dude and his activities. It comes to no surprise to me that this happened, because now, back when Nipsey Hussle, our great brother, nipsey Hussle the rapper, when he was on Alive, there was talk circling around that Big U's name came up in this thing. Right Now I don't know whether he has something to do with it or not, I don't know. I'm reporting because this is what I do. I don't have it. I really as it's as it stands right now. It's too early for me to form an opinion and I don't really want to form an opinion. I'm here to as as a, as a neutral party, just reporting. What is? What is out there Now, this, this I didn't bring in the actual indictment up here, but this here is a is a press release, a press release from the US attorney's office from the Central District of California. This is the press release after he turned himself in or when they came down with these sweeping indictments. Right, and we're going to go into it a little bit. We're going to go into it. I'm going to read a little bit of the indictment. Hold on, let me just get my level here. Okay, let's uh, let's pull it up and read. So there's a long story here, but the indictment was longer than this. This did all of the language, the legal language. That's why I said, you know what, let me not bring indictment up here. Let me read from the, from the press release okay, in its title long time rolling 60s crip leader and show business entrepreneur charged in federal complaint alleging racketeering crimes. 18 other rolling 60 60 members and associates charged federally. Los Angeles, a longtime leader of the South Los Angeles-based Rolling 60's neighborhood Crips street gang, who also is an entertainment entrepreneur and a self-proclaimed community activist, has been charged in a federal complaint alleging he ran a criminal enterprise that committed a series of racketeering crimes, including extortion, human trafficking, fraud and the 2021 murder of an inspiring rap musician. The Justice Department announced today Eugene Henley Jr, 58, aka Big U, of the Hyde Park neighborhood of South Los Angeles, is charged in the complaint with conspiracy to violate the racketeer, influenced and corrupt organization otherwise known as the RICO Act and corrupt organization otherwise known as the RICO Act. Two other alleged members of the criminal enterprise, sylvester Robertson, 59, aka Vae, of Northridge, and Mark Martin, 50, aka Bearclaw, of the Beverlywood area of Los Angeles, were arrested today on the same criminal complaint in which Henley is charged. Roberson and Martin are expected to make their initial appearances this afternoon in United States District Court in downtown Los Angeles. Henley is considered a fugitive, so at this point he hadn't turned himself in yet. So they considered him as a fugitive. So at this point he hadn't turned himself in yet. So they considered him as a fugitive because they contact you when they come in to get you. They usually contact you or get word to you, some kind of way that look, hey, we got this on you, come on in and talk to us and like that. So they. I'm quite sure I don't know if I don't quote me on this, but I'm quite sure he knew. Let's continue. The allegations in the complaint unsealed today reveal a criminal enterprise that engaged in murder, extortion, human trafficking and fraud, all led by a supposed anti-gang activist and purported music entrepreneur who is nothing more than a violent street criminal, said acting US United States Attorney Joseph McNally. Eliminating gangs and organized crime is the department of justice Top priority. Today's charges and arrests target the leadership of this criminal outfit and will make the neighborhoods of Los Angeles safer. It's all cap, all as cap. They just they always. And this is one thing. Now I'm not taking up. I can't sit here and defend Big U. I don't know the brother I, I can't defend him. But what? I will tell you a lot. When they do these, these pressers, and they put these statements out to the public, they're gonna paint these guys as straight monsters. Now, whether they were or not, I don't know. Ok, let's back to it. Today's charges and arrests target the leadership of this criminal outfit will make the neighborhoods of Los Angeles safer. I am grateful for the work of our prosecutors and law enforcement partners, of our prosecutors and law enforcement partners. The lead defendant and others in this case have for too long gotten away with violent crimes, violent acts and stealing money from taxpayers and well-intentioned donors, whether they used intimidation tactics or well-influenced as purportedly rehabilitated original gangsters, said Akil Davis, the assistant director in charge of the FBI's Los Angeles field office. The FBI and our partners have worked for four years to bring justice in this case and will continue to root out this kind of criminal behavior plaguing the streets of Los Angeles More cap, more cap. In total, law enforcement in the last 24 hours arrested 10 rolling 60 members and associates who are charged with various federal crimes, including drug trafficking, racketeering, conspiracy and firearms offenses. Four defendants already were in custody. Law enforcement is seeking the whereabouts of five other defendants, three of whom are expected to be in custody shortly. Two defendants, including Henley, are considered fugitives. Right, let me get back in here. According to an affidavit filed with the criminal complaint field monday, filed monday and unsealed today, from 2010 to the present, henley's criminal group, identified in court documents as the Big U Enterprise, operated as a mafia-like organization that utilized Henley's stature and longstanding association with the Rolling Sixties and other street gangs to intimidate businesses, individuals in Los Angeles. Henley is widely regarded as a leader within the rolling sixties and rose to prominence in the street gang during the 1980s. While the big U enterprise at times partnered with the rolling sixties and other criminal elements for mutual benefit, the big U enterprise is a distinct and independent criminal enterprise engaged in criminal activity, including murder, extortion, robbery, trafficking, trafficking and exploiting sex workers, fraud and illegal gambling. They just piling on here. For example, in January of 2021, henley murdered a victim identified in the affidavit as RW, an aspiring musician. Musician signed to Unique Music, henley and Martin's music label. Shortly before RW's murder, henley and Unique Music paid for RW to travel to Las Vegas to record music at a Grammy Award winning music producer studio. But RW did not record at the agreed upon rate and instead recorded a defamatory song about Henley, causing Henley and Robinson to travel to Las Vegas to confront him.
Speaker 3:Henley allegedly drove RW to North Las Vegas, shot him in the head and dragged the victim's body off Interstate 15 into the desert and left it in a ditch. Henley returned to Los Angeles with Robinson and ordered studio workers to leave, while his associate removed security surveillance footage from the studio. Henley allegedly later ordered witnesses to not speak with law enforcement about RW's murder. Not only did the enterprise expand its power through violence, fear and intimidation, but it also used social media platforms, documentaries, podcast interviews and henley's reputation and status as an og in quotations original gangster to create fame for, and stoke of stoke fear of, the big u enterprise, its members and its associates. And furthermore, in furtherance of the end of the enterprise, henley allegedly submitted a fraudulent application for a covet 19 pandemic relief loan in which he claimed that Unique Music was operating at a $200,000 profit in 2019, despite operating at a $5,000 loss that year, which would have disqualified it from loan eligibility and PPP loans. Enriched itself by defrauding donors to nonprofit entities under the control of the Big U Enterprise, including Henley's charity Developing Options. That was the name of the charity, the Developing Options, a Hyde Park-based nonprofit. Henley marketed Developing Options as giving South Los Angeles youth alternative choices to gang violence, drugs and other criminal activity, but the Big U enterprise allegedly used it as a front for fraudulent purposes and to insulate its members from suspicion by law enforcement. Henley allegedly embezzled large donations that celebrities and award-winning companies made to developing options, which henley immediately converted to his personal bank account. According to the complaint, developing options is primarily funded through the city of Los Angeles mayor's office, through the Gang Reduction Youth Development Foundation, portions of which receive federal funding, but also receives donations from prominent sources, including NBA players. The RICO charges against Mr Henley and his associates reflect a pattern of crimes that runs the gambit from extortion to tax evasions, all under the umbrella of a well-organized criminal organization led by Mr Henley, says Special Agent in Charge Tyler Hatcher, irs Criminal Complaint Investigation, criminal Investigation, criminal complaint investigation, criminal investigation Los Angeles field office. Additionally, mr Henley allegedly duped the county of Los Angeles by running a charitable organization that promoted anti-gang solutions while continuing criminal activity that was directly contrary to his charity. Right, it was fellow law enforcement organizations, criminal organizations, a bunch of cap right there. From day one, the Los Angeles Police Department has been proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with the FBI in this critical investigation, said Los Angeles Police Chief Jim McDonald. Invulnerable enterprise provided by the Operation South Bureau FBI Task Force on the Rolling 60s criminal street gang has played a pivotal role in securing these charges. This is a major step forward in our ongoing fight against gang violence and it brings hope and relief to a community that has been that has endured far too much. Together, we will continue to protect and serve, working tirelessly to ensure the safety of our neighborhoods. And that's the end of the.
Speaker 3:The press release and again a lot of it is capped and they sensationalized a lot of the things in here. But I looked at the indictment and I'm telling you, family, they loaded him up, they loaded him up heavy on them charges. They want this dude gone. They don't never want him back Now. Big U was a very imposing figure in the California, california, los angeles area and this is something I've heard from people in the industry that I know personally and also through all the different articles and things like that. He's very imposing. Hold on um. The thing I just can't understand about all of this Is that you, an OG from the 80s, and you up there on these social media platforms talking Big you, my brother, man, come on bro.
Speaker 3:How did you fall in? How did you fall in? How did you fall? I know I was talking to my lady the other day and she's you know, I I'm not in the streets, no more. I would be out. If I was out there now, I would be. I would be lost as a sheep in the ocean. Because I don't, I don't understand. We are in a time now that everything is about attention. Attention is the new drug now. It's the new drug of choice. It's attention.
Speaker 3:You got gangsters that are on YouTube, they on Facebook, they on Instagram, they on X, they tweeting, they tweet, they do. I mean, these are street guys doing this and I don't understand it. The time, the era I come from, guys didn't did not want to be known. They didn't. If you were in real criminal activity and you was into the streets doing what you do, you didn't want the fame and the notoriety. I don't know when that stuff started. I really don't know when it started.
Speaker 3:The ball was dropped somewhere. I think John Gotti played into that because he was very frowned upon because of his flamboyancy and his showmanship in the Coastal North. Those guys, the mafia guys, they didn't like that. I think that's the beginning of it. But it's so far now that these guys, you got to understand these agencies, these law enforcement agencies FBI, CIA, whatever local law enforcement. They have units assigned to these gangs and street, different street organizations and stuff like that. Their job is to come in in the morning or whenever the shift is on, get their coffee, their breakfast or whatever, and they set up the computer screens and they on Instagram, they on YouTube, they on Facebook, they on LinkedIn, they on this, they on that rumble and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3:They all over the place and they just hit the play button and listen, look and listen and for some reason, these guys it's not just blacks doing it, it's a lot of it's more of us doing it than it's because the Italians is doing it too. Everybody's doing it, but these guys love to go on these platforms. Vlad and all this. You see Boosie, all the time. He's always on Vlad talking about stuff, and you don't supposed to talk about what you did out there in the street. Talk about the music man. Talk about what you're doing in the neighborhoods with the community or whatever. Don't talk about stuff, music man. Talk about what you're doing in the neighborhoods with the community or whatever. Don't talk about stuff you did. You know these guys, man, everybody wants to be a badass, everybody wants to be bad. And look, see, I got 30 niggas with me and we want club. Just goofiness. I don't understand the stupidity behind it.
Speaker 3:Big you, you had to know once the whispers there was whispers about you having something to do with the death of a well-liked person like Nipsey Hussle. Once you understood and got wind of that that your name was circulating, you were supposed to start your exit because you had to know this time was coming. They probably was already on you. They probably was already on you, but you had to know they was coming. Right, and you still was on. You know, I got let me see, can I find it, family. Let me see, can I find it. That clip of this guy talking talking. Hold on, let me see Can I find this stuff with this guy. Man, I couldn't believe it. Yeah, I know where it is, I couldn't believe it. Hold on. Now here's a clip of him. This is Big U. This is Big U Talking about the check-in thing. Hold on, you're going to make it out.
Speaker 9:You're going to make it out, don't matter, you're a nice, go hard.
Speaker 8:Movie production in the hood.
Speaker 3:That's how we do it, young man.
Speaker 8:Top flight baby GB running this here movie set in the hood. Come on out here. Come on out here and check in with GB getting these movies done. You better know it. Anytime you want to do movies in the hood, just check it in. We can make sure it's done movies, videos. But if you don't check it in, oh well, let's go check your ass out. We're going to check you in, all right, we're going to check in all of your equipment. We're going to check in all of your equipment.
Speaker 3:Now you heard him. He really told right then, and there you told on yourself, you told on yourself. In other words, they came down, some production company came down to the hood in LA to film something a movie, a video, whatever it was and you posted something on the social media talking about coming down the hood. You got you talking about you're going to do a movie. You got you better check in or we're going to check you in, like that's extortion, that's extortion, right there. Now all the feds and law enforcement did was hit the play button and let you talk. Let you talk.
Speaker 3:These guys man getting on, they are no jumping in, vlad, and they're always talking and talking about street business. You know, the golden rule was always you don't discuss street business, you don't discuss that. And these guys, they studied man, they studied yapping, because everybody wants attention, everybody wants to be the baddest dude and they want the attention. See what I'm doing over here. Look at me to be the baddest dude, and they want the attention. See what I'm doing over here, look at me. Even I used to say all the time you, you had guys back in the 90s and stuff early 2000 he had would have big um music systems in the cars and the trucks and stuff. So you come down the street, man, every you, you could hear a dude coming from blocks away because the bass would be shaking the sidewalk and you'd be saying, man, what the hell is that you hear this music coming from four or five blocks away? And when you finally come to where you're at, the music is so loud, music is so loud, and you and you're saying to yourself, how is he sitting in there with that, driving with that, gotta be blowing your eardrums out. What's? What's the purpose of that? Because you want attention. See rolling down the street. You know that bass is booming and music is loud as hell and everybody gotta look. People gotta look at that and see where it's coming from. So you want eyes on you.
Speaker 3:I never wanted this is just me. I was always a shy person, but even when I was doing what I was doing, I didn't want nobody to know that what I was doing, I didn't want that to be known. But these guys, they, everybody wants to be seen. There's more, there's more. Let us go to it. We got to get ready to get out of here soon, really fast. Let's see what this one's about. Hold on.
Speaker 9:When did the DNA come back?
Speaker 2:It came back two months ago.
Speaker 9:And they still ain't arrested the nigga.
Speaker 2:Well, they told me, between me and you, please between me and you, don't tell nobody, because they don't want nobody to know. They're going to be making an arrest the end of March, the beginning of April Gotcha, I'm going to sit back and watch the show and they're basically going to put his case and Nipsey Hussle's case together. The same person that the DNA I mean the lawyer for Nipsey Hussle is going to be doing my brother's case too.
Speaker 9:You mean the DA?
Speaker 2:Yeah, district Attorney. Oh, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, now that was the sister of the guy, the RW guy from the murder in Las Vegas on the Interstate 15. That was the mother, not the sister. The mother, now she had this call, this phone conversation with wag 100. He recorded it and he came out with it saying he knew, he knew all the time. You know, everybody want to be see. I told y'all I was privy to the information. I I knew what was going on. That's his angle from it and it helps build his credibility as far as information goes. I don't understand, because he's supposed to be a gangbanger to a affiliate. Well, he's a businessman, he has businesses going on but he's a talker too.
Speaker 3:He talks and talks, and talks, talks. I don't understand it. But hey, hey, this is what it is family. But these, now that that they supposedly from what I read in the indictment there was DNA from Big U, they found under that kid's fingernails matches Big U. Now they're going to try to tie that murder in with the Nipsey Hussle situation. Then there's talk of remember I did a some time ago, I did about a year or two when this first happened the PNB Rock young man that was murdered out in California at the Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles. He was unaligned for his jury. Now there's people, there's scenes, there's talk, there's there's sayings, this talk circulating now that that you, big you and this other dude um, what's this loose cannon dude had something to do with that and from what I understand, they were supposedly in the restaurant when this robbery took place. I I don't know if it was to watch to make sure everything went off right, but I'm going to play something. Hold on from that, hold on, let's get to it. Here it is, hold on.
Speaker 9:Rock got killed In the Nebraska. So I felt it was like super, super messed up because at the end of the day, it was me and Big Useless in there when it happened. So when it happened I wish I could have just told him like bro, just give up the jury and we get it back to you later.
Speaker 3:But it just happened so fast and yeah, now that's the loose cannon dude he's. He's caught up in this indictment too. He was charged in this. He's on this complaint along with Big U and them Now. They said he would date him and Big U was in the restaurant when this robbery went down.
Speaker 3:And you heard him say that he wished he could have just told the homie they'll give up your jewelry. We got you. Later on we're gonna get it back for you. Just give it up right now. And this, uh, this is a mess man. This is a mess.
Speaker 3:And then big you did on it, on him turning himself in. He shot a couple of videos, a couple of shorts and you, he asking people to pray for him. And it's going to be years off his life. Man, you can't go around throwing your weight around like that man and bullying everybody and extorting people. And now you're asking people to pray for you. I don't know, I'm not here to judge. I'm not here to judge big you. I don't know the brother, but once your name came up in an ipsy situation, bro, you were supposed to go sit down somewhere. You were supposed to go sit down somewhere.
Speaker 3:Tarik did a, did a program on his youtube channel the day, talking about this type of thing here, where, guys, you know, when you're in the street, the purpose is, the reason why you get in the street is because other choices have dried up or you feel like you don't. You, you're trapped in there's, there's no money or whatever. You can't get no job or whatever the case might be. You might not have the education or whatever. So you got to turn to the, to the underworld life. But the goal, the goal is always to make to get out, get in and get out. Only a fool wants to stay doing crime your whole life, the. The object of the game is to get in, make what you gotta do what you gotta do and get out. Once you start hitting licks and you start making money and you're starting to make an impact and you're getting your weight up, you're supposed to be getting ready to make your exit away from that life because you're not there to stay. And this is a lot of the mistakes a lot of people make. This is why a lot of these kids follow these rappers, because they glorify street business and it's not to be glorified.
Speaker 3:Street things happen. We've always had underground societies, always Crime is. As long as human beings are going to be in existence, there's going to be crime. So we're not here to argue that point. But the objection is to get in and get out of it. It's not there for you to stay there. It's not a life you want to wake up every day and just be an outlaw or a criminal At some point.
Speaker 3:You want that to change. Because you start having kids, children, you start having a family, or whatever the case might be. You don't want that same life. Because you start having kids, children you start having a family, or whatever the case might be, you don't want that same life for your children. I don't know there's people like that, that the, the, the lifestyle goes from generation to generation, but I don't know. I don't know any parent that doesn't want better for their children in. In other words, I'm doing what I'm doing to put you in school maybe private school, or maybe college or whatever or to get you a trade where you can open your own business. I'm making these sacrifices now for you to have better than I did. I don't want you going through this. What kind of example would I set as your parent or your uncle or your older elder in your family? If I'm stay doing this and I'm helping you do it, I'm glorifying it. Man, we don't want to. Let's, let's, um.
Speaker 3:But the last thing I want to touch on family before we get out of here. We got to get, we got to blow, we got to blow, um, this talk and we're to. I'm going to set everything up for us to talk about it next week and, malik, you're coming up next week, so get ready because you're coming up next week. King will be here and we're going to talk. Is talk now about how Trump is rolling back certain civil rights legislation, with government contractors or whatever the case might be, and they were looking to see how we were going to react to it and they're just not getting the reaction that they thought they was going to get, because we're not sweating that. My thing is this Bring it.
Speaker 1:Bring it.
Speaker 3:Yes, segregation, bring it. I'm begging, begging you, I'm begging white society. I'm begging president trump. Yes, bring back segregation, and I'll tell you why before we depart. I'll tell you why. Because pre-desegregation, because we never integrated, but pre-segregate, pre-desegregation, we had black townships, we had much more black-owned businesses, we had our marriage rates in our community were much higher, right, and we relied on each other. So, bring it back, because that's going to force us to do commerce with each other and to stop with all the silliness in the party and get down to business and we will be forced to deal with each other like we used to. Instead, all this hate and all this foolishness and all this foolery and monkey business going on in the community, we'll be forced back into a time where we rely on each other and we work with each other, need each other more. So please bring I'm begging you, I'm begging you, president Trump bring it back.
Speaker 3:Yes, I would love to see segregation come back. Oh, yeah, yeah, let's bring it back. Well, I ain't got to go. When I want to go buy a car, I can go to a black dealership. When I want to go to a bank or whatever, I can go to a black-owned bank and have access where I wouldn't have it in present time.
Speaker 3:So bring it back, because our families, our family unity was much stronger pre-desegregation right, we were doing business with each other, we had more business. We didn't have all this, these single mother households and all this. We didn't have all of that. So so go to work, baby. Yes, you, you, you know. Go to work. Go to work, president Trump, go to work, ted, yes, and me and my man, malik, we going to be up here next week talking about this, but right now we got to bounce up out of here In the words, in the words of Big King you must respect life, love justice, cherish freedom and treasure peace. Y'all go in peace and keep the peace. And we're going to be back, we're going to be back next week and, like I said, we're going to talk about it. I wanted to play some of my brother, phil Scott's, up here, but we don't, we out of time and we got to go. And, yeah, come on back. Come on back, cause we got some. We got some hot grease waiting for the fire. Peace, thank you.
