Why The Michael Jackson Movie Hits So Hard

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Welcome And The Truth Theme

SPEAKER_06 0:13

Yo, peace, peace, peace, and welcome back. Freeman's affairs radio. Welcome back, y'all. Welcome back. Man, man, man. Boy, we got a doozy today. We got a doozy. Family, family. Peace to y'all. Thank you for tapping back in and coming back and sitting with us and joining us this morning on this on this great and glorious sunrise May 5th, 2026. Right? The numerical focus for the day is is power. Representing the five. Right? Representing the five. And five is the is power. Because power is in direct or in a direct relationship with what is true. And we're going to be bringing some truth. In this program up here today, we're going to be bringing some truth. Family, I'm so elated to be here. And on this mic with you. And talking and having this discussion. Cuz we, like I said, we're going to be bringing, we're going to be dealing with that, with that power, with that truth. And I know y'all been waiting on this. I know y'all been waiting on this. I'm just trying to let this man because I feel so good up here. And I thought this was this was this was proper to bring it in just like this. Let that bump a little bit. And uh, yeah, that's what it's gonna be. That's what it's gonna be, family. You know, as I said, the truth has a direct relationship with with power. Right? Because power, what does compower uh deal with? It deals with force, it deals with with uh energy and strength. That's what power deals with, right? That's what that's that are the elements of power. Force. Because when you face with the truth, family, you're you you're forced to make a decision. You're forced to make a decision when something true is in front of you. Either you're gonna accept the truth and deal with it accordingly, or you're gonna close your eyes to the truth and pretend that it's not there. And and sad to say, sad to say, for a lot of us, this is how we deal with things. A lot of times when you hear people say, I'm gonna just let go and let God, I'm gonna just, I'm gonna leave it up to Jesus or whatever the case might be, what you're saying is I don't want to deal with the truth. I don't want to deal with it. I can't deal with it right now. I'm gonna just leave it up to God. And nothing never gets resolved. But we're gonna resolve some things up here today because we're gonna get to the truth of the matter on some stuff. Not just one topic, on two topics. Maybe even three if we got time enough. So y'all hold on and bear with me. I'm just I'm just hyping myself up now, get get getting it into it. Man, I feel this. I'm feeling this all through me. Alright, without further delay, without further delay, let's get to it, family. Let's

First Reactions To The Michael Movie

SPEAKER_06 4:02

get to it. As I promised y'all. As I promised y'all that I was going to do a review on the on the Michael movie. I went to go see it. I went to go see it last week. As I said that day last week, Tuesday, I went to go see it. I ran out of the studio here, ran some errands, and then went to go see it. Excellent, in my opinion, is me talking to you, my family here. Excellent, excellent movie. I wouldn't say it was a bio because Mike's life, Michael Jackson's life is such, you cannot do that bio in just two hours. That movie was two hours long. You can't do his bio in two hours. Now they're already talking about a part two to this, a sequel to this, because they left room for it. And, you know, salute to the family. Most of the brothers and stuff were involved with producing this thing and the production of it. And I gotta salute them. Who, you know, whoever did the casting, who was in charge of the casting, did an excellent job. Excellent job. I heard what the critics said. I heard what Ebro said about the thrill, the thriller album. I heard I've heard what the critics have said. But see, the numbers don't lie. Back to that math. The numbers don't lie. This system that we exist in, this universe is governed off of mathematics. It's the operating system of this universe that we exist in. So this all you gotta do is go back to the numbers. These people talk from their emotions and how they feel. They didn't expect that this this picture, this m this uh project was going to be this big and successful as it is, as it is, as at the pace that it's going. People were dancing in the aisles at the at doing the roll of the credits at the end of the movie. People were dancing and and just it was like a party, right? Now I went to see it once. I didn't go see it the second time yet. I'm going to see it probably this week, sometime, or maybe by the weekend, at a second clip because I want to get because you always miss some things. Because I gotta tell you, family, I gotta tell you right off the cuff, I gotta tell you that I had a very difficult time keeping the dry eye. You know, I'm not I'm not saying I was in the movie theater lamenting and you know, just uncontrollably crying, but I've had a very tough, it was a tearjerker for me, especially in the beginning of the movie when they were young. The Jackson five were young. It was some tearjerker moments in there. And uh, you know, I had to had to compose myself and you know, talk to myself to get it together and hold it down and everything. But it was, it was, it was a rough time keeping it dry in there. People were sniffling, and especially the women, you know, they would they were sniffling, oh Michael, and they was just it was it was it was good. But the the they didn't what I'm what I'm amazed at is that it wasn't done in bio form. It wasn't it was more of a tribute to him. And the way I saw it, it was more of a tribute to him and his to Mike. It was more of a tribute, and I I'm good with that. I'm good with that. I'm good with that. I don't know if they're gonna do what they're gonna do in the Grammys or whatever like that, but like I said, the math doesn't lie. The math don't lie, family. This was an excellent movie. The soundtrack was excellent. The music, you know the music was excellent, right? And the casting, once again, whoever was in charge of the casting, that was that was something spic it, it was just exquisite the eck the the casting department because uh Coleman Domingo did an excellent job playing Joe Jackson, did an excellent job. Jafir, Jaffir Jackson, the nephew who played Mike. Oh my goodness, my gosh. It was times I was I was just flabbergasted looking at this kid portray his uncle. Now, I know what a lot of people are thinking that oh he got it because he was his nephew, and there's a there's some kind of family resemblance there, and you know, yada yada yada. No, from what I'm understanding, I took a little deep dive into it, and from what I understand, that he pr prepared two years for this moment. Now there were other Michael Jackson lookalikes and stuff like that, and and uh there was one guy, Spanish guy, looks just like Mike. He does the dance routines and stuff like that, but he couldn't, he got booted in the first round of editions. This kid Jafar, his nephew, made the cut, made the final cut. They didn't they did not hand this to him, family. He went under practice and research. This is his uncle, he had to portray. And he was a he was very young when his uncle uh passed away. He was young, very young. So he had to actually study footage and different things. He'd been around his uncle, I'm quite sure. But he had to take a deep dive into the bio of his uncle, and he walked away with it. Man, did he, did he, he played that thing till the wheels fell off of it. I'm trying to tell you. I mean the mannerisms, the voice, the dance moves. Oh my goodness, man, this kid. He's gonna, he's probably gonna blow up behind this in some way or another. I would be looking to capitalize off of it because man, people, people would, people were just man, going hysterical in the movie theater over this kid Jafar because he looked every bit of his uncle. I'm talking about the mannerisms, the voice, everything. You could just, you could, you um one of the kids, one of the children, one of the Jackson children, one of Mike's kids, said he was on set one day and he, when he when when Jafar came out of the trail and everything to go on set, he saw him for the first time in the get up, you know, in the in the clothes and stuff and the makeup and everything. And he had a moment. He broke down and cried. He went and hugged his cousin and broke down and cried because he hadn't seen his father in so long. And the kid looked just like him. He had a moment where he actually broke down, just the son.

Casting Praise And Tearjerker Moments

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I forget his name. I forget the kid's name. But anyway, excellent job. Coleman Domingo, uh uh Neilong played uh uh Mother Jackson, Katherine Jackson, she played her to a T. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful the way they did that. Beautiful. And there's there's so much. There's so much in it. And this is why I want to go see it a second time because I know I missed some some some good stuff. I know I missed it. I was trying to concentrate on everything, but I'm trying to I was really trying to get in as much information as I could, just why I stayed for the credits and everything the first time, because you know, there's a song that the Jackson 5 did that I cannot listen to it without getting emotional. And that is the song Um I'll Be There. From when from when I was a little kid following the Jacksons, right, because I've been following them all my life. I knew about the Jackson 5. And that song always made me emotional from one time I was a little kid. And to this day, as a grown man, it still has that effect on me. So when the credits I I walked in, when I walked in to take my seat in the movie, the movie was ending for that for that particular showing, and the credits were rolling. So I was trying to get as much. This is how I found out that a lot of the brothers were involved in this. Jermaine, Jackie, and all of them were involved in this. And they even did a little tribute to uh Tito. I think they had a little tribute in here, a tribute to Tito, because you know we lost him last year. Uh I think it was around that same week Frankie Beverly and James Earl Jones passed away that same week of uh Tito Jackson. But anyway, they they uh they rolled the credits and I was trying to soak in as much information on the credits. So I was still there, people were in there playing the songs and they're partying, partying, partying, they're playing the different songs. This is why when I actually saw the movie and it got to that part where he was doing his uh tour and everything, and he was on stage, and and I know it was about the it was right when I walked in when the credits were starting, I walked out because I didn't want to hear that song again because it was too much at that particular time. I knew I would have I probably would have broken down hearing that song again. And uh so I walked out. But I did get, you know, the first go-around, I I stayed, I watched the credits roll. I watched the credits roll and I got it. So yeah. But yeah, family, this was uh this was this was something else, man. And right now, see what's happening with this movie and the the production of this movie and the merch and all that stuff like that, the music is picking up again. The music is picking out. You know, family, I live over here in Brooklyn. There's a there's a lot of Caribbean people here in the area where I live at. There's some Jews and and a little few Asians, speckled here and some Indian and stuff like that, but it's mostly Caribbean in this area, right? And they are crazy about Michael Jackson. And salute to them, salute to them. Salute to our Caribbean family, right? Because every car, every other car is bumping a Michael Jackson song. If you either you're hearing um Billy Jean or uh Thriller or something, you hearing something. Off the wall, uh, divorce, keep, you know, keep on. And that was one of my favorites that he made. From the I think it was uh Off, that was off from an Off the Wall album. Back in uh, what was that, 78, 79, something like that? That was that was one of my favorite. Living off the wall, that that's one of my favorites he made. I'll never forget that song. But you know, Mike's music spanned over decades, four or five decades. Well, I'm gonna say five decades. Four for solid, but five decades of his life. It was maybe four and some change, but with now with him being gone, his music spanned over five decades, family. Five decades. I grew up off the Jacksons. I remember when they had the cartoon, Saturday mornings. The cartoons, the Jackson Five cartoon, yes. And you know, the Jacksons actually, the Jackson Five actually undhroned the the Osmond family. Because the Osmonds were big at the time. The Osman group was big. They were all over American bandstand and all over the place, man. The Jackson 5, when they came through, they dethroned them. Easily, easily dethroned them. Mike was a was a see, and this is a little bit of trivia, a little bit of trivia to it. A little bit of trivia. Mike was not a part of the original. They weren't the Jackson 5. They were just the Jacksons, I believe, at one, and when they first started. And Jermaine was the lead. Let me get let me see if can I get a little bed in here. Hold on. I'm sounding a little dry. And I don't want to sound that way for you guys. Yeah, a little bit of trivia here. They were the Jacksons, and Jermaine was the lead. And it was just the older ones. It was Jermaine, Jackie, Marlon, Tito at first. Randy and Michael came later on. Um when they heard, when they heard uh Mike, I think he did a some kind of school talent show or something like that. And when they heard him blow, they said, no, no, no, no. He gotta, he did, he's gotta be the lead. And he took over from Jermaine. And, you know, they try to allude to the little spat. Of course, there was some animosity there. That this is natural what siblings go through. So Jermaine, that being his younger brother, there was probably some resentment there that Mike came over and became the star he became because as a small child, Mike was the actual focus of the Jackson 5. It was Mike. I mean, we loved all of them. You know, they all had the Afros, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, Marlon, and Jermaine. You know, we we looked at them like, you know, they was them guys, but Mike was the actual twilight of it. And I heard, I heard um Gladys Knight do a little and somebody was interviewing her, and she's she was talking about the first time she ever saw him, Mike was at uh some theater, I believe it was somewhere in Detroit, and uh she first saw them as a group, and she said she looked over the banister and couldn't see them because they was further down the stage. Had they come upstage a little bit, she would have been able to saw them. But when the pips came back upstairs to the dressing room, she asked them, Well, who were that? And she said, Oh, that those were the Jacksons, you know, Joe Jackson boys. And she said, Well, can can you ask him, could they come up here and that's so I could meet them? And that's when she first met the Jackson 5. And she said, Michael was so little, he had to scoot up on the couch there. His feet couldn't even touch the floor. He was so small, and he was very inquisitive. You know, I'm not gonna play the interview up here. I have it, but I'm not gonna play it. But, you know, just to give you a thing, but back to the movie, that Coleman Domingo played Joe Jackson solid. The nephew, Jafar Jackson, played his uncle solid. Neil Long, her role solid. Even my man, um, what's the comedian? Deion Cole, he played Don King for a little cameo and he killed that. He killed that. He killed it. And uh it was it was it was family. I enjoyed the movie. You know, there was there was a sadness to it, you know, because they they always trying to paint our brother Joe Jackson, you know, may he rest in power. And and by the way, by the way, I think Miss Katherine Jackson's birthday. Let me look into that. I think her birthday was either yesterday, she's not that woman is 95. I did a tribute to her last year. Let me see. Let me see. She's 96 years old. Born yesterday was her birthday. Family yesterday. Mother Jackson, salute, salute to you, salute to you, Mother Jackson. 96 years old. Last year I did a did a uh a show. I did a pro uh broadcast and I dedicated to her. And for her birthday, that was May last year, I did that, and that's what made me think of it sitting right up here talking to you. And she is 90, she was she turned 96 years old yesterday. Today is the 5th. May 4th is her birthday. She was born uh what year was that? She was born in uh 1930.

Joe Jackson Reframed As A Father

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1930. May 4th, 1930 is her birthday. May the universe bless you, Miss Jackson, Miss Catherine Jackson. May the universe bless you and keep you. Please stay here with us another 90 years. We love you here at Freedman's Affairs Radio. And thank you for giving us your family, your children. All every one of them. Especially Mike. But every one of them. Janet, all of them. Reeby, La Toya, all the boys. Thank you, Miss Jackson. And back to Joe Jackson. They tried to make him, you know, in recent times, they did another movie on this thing, his bio, Mike's bio, and they made Joe Jackson a straight heel. They made him like he was the worst thing that could ever happen. He was just an atrocity to this boy, his son. Now, I had a conversation with with my man Malik about it. And I felt bad in the movie as as you know, Mike was getting the little whippings, the little boy that was playing Mike. And it touched me so bad because I have a nephew that remind me so much of the kid that was playing Mike. And I have a grand nephew, and the manners there, him and his brother both, their manners are so they talk to me and I tell them I'm your uncle, and he's yes, sir, yes, sir. Everything is sir. And I love those those guys, Ryan and Levi, man. I love you both. My nephews. Salute. Salute to my nephews. But anyway, back to the movie, Joe Jackson. Yeah, they tried to make, they always try to make Joe Jackson like he's a heel and he was just this monster. Joe Jackson was an old country for father, father from out of the South. And you know, Jim Crow South and everything. And those type of men didn't play. And if you think I'm I'm I'm kidding you, family, I could call one of my boys right now. Matter of fact, I am gonna call him. And uh let me know it's too late. No, it was too early. What I'm talking about is late, it's too early. I'm not gonna call him yet. But one day I'm gonna have him talk when I'm not even calling, just for that little tidbit. And he would tell me to this day, he said, he said, yo, Black, he said, man, when we was young, I was scared to death of your father, man. My father was one of them guys, you didn't, you, my father didn't laugh a lot. You you rarely saw my father laughing. Very serious man. When he spoke, he you know just what he meant. He didn't do a whole lot of grinning and and stuff like that. He he had times where he would have some laughs and with his brothers and and and uh family and stuff like that. But my father, for the most part, was a very serious man. And a lot of people are uncomfortable around people that are serious like that. So I understand that. Now, with Joe Jackson, Joe Jackson came up hard, and you gotta remember, he had a house full of kids, boys mainly. And during those times, he saw the talent in those kids. He saw the talent in his children. Right? This is why he had them on the circuit and going to different clubs. These boys wasn't even old enough to be outside at that time of night. He would have them go to different clubs around the area where they lived, up there in Gary, Indiana, and and play in some of those after-hour joints and stuff like that. And the people loved him, and he had to get them back home and get them in bed so they can go to school in the morning, and he had to go to work because he was some type of factory worker or something like that. Joe Jackson was a hard-working man. And may was he a little maybe obsessive with Mike and or the rest of the and the rest of the kids at times? Could be, possibly. But he knew he had to put some belt to ass a little bit because he had, you know, he realized the talent and he knew he didn't want his children doing what he did. Working in no factory, trying to raise no family. And once he saw that, he said, Man, we getting up out of Gary, Indiana. We getting out of here. And did they had to work? Them boys didn't have a regular childhood. They had each other. And I'm gonna place something up here and let you hear it. But we're gonna debunk all the crap about Joe Jackson tonight. We're gonna debunk that. And we're gonna, we're gonna put things in this proper perspective regarding him. Because I don't like the fact that, you know, they they make him, they try to make him look like a heel and a and a and a some kind of ignorant uh man that just was abusive to his children. No, no, that's not the case at all. I know what Joe Jackson came from, because my father came from that. And I think I mentioned it up here several times on this program. My mother used to tell my father, you're being a little too hard on him, you know. Everybody thought my father was hard on me. But my father, to his credit, my father told my mother, he said, listen. And my mother, because they came from the same place, they grew up in the same area. And um, my mother knew who my father's family was. My father had 10 brothers and four sisters. And he told my mother, he said, listen, they used to call my mother Nank, either Nank or Lucy. On my mother and them side, they called they called her Lucy. Because my grandmother called her Lucy, but on my, you know, everybody else called her Nike. So he told my mother, he said, Nike, let me tell you something. He said, I know my bloodline. You gotta have kill them Negroes in my family to make them do right. And he, my father, said from birth, he knew what it was with me. And this is why he was on me that way. Because he saw, he saw certain traits. Because I had some uncles that were no joke. I had some uncles that was with one of my uncles, man, my uncle JC, stomped down gangster. He was a bootlegger. Stomp, when I tell you, stomp down gangster. They he got ran, he got ran out the south. My uncle Sonny got ran out of the south. A couple of them got ran out because of what they were doing. And my father knew. He said, you know, I gotta be on this boy. Now, if you don't want me on him, when he goes out here and do something, I don't want to hear nothing. That's what he would tell my mother. So Joe Jackson saw the talent in his children, and he worked that. He made them rehearse hard. And look what the look what he produced. Everybody tried to clown him and make him make him a heel. Look what that man produced to the world, gave to the world. All those children and all of them, every one of them talented. Every one of them. Well, Reeby and LaToy was a little, but they were nonetheless beautiful people, man. Beautiful family. And a little bit of trivia before we go any further. I'm gonna go back to Joe Jackson, but a little bit of trivia, family, a little bit of trivia here. I'm wanna I'm willing to bet most of you didn't know that Stevie Wonder is their cousin. Stevie Wonder, Tracy Chapman, and Samuel Jackson are rel are all cousins to the to that Jackson family. Now, Stevie Wonder and Tracy Chapman are on their mother's side. A lot of people didn't know that. They are related on their mother, their cousins on their mother's side. Samuel Jackson is their cousin on their father's side. A little bit of trivia there. I just wanted to leave you with that little tidbit before I forget, you know, forget about it. But anyway, yeah, so so yeah, that's what it was. And uh Joe Jackson, you know, we're talking about a time in American history where guys, a lot of some guys would would leave their family, they have a baby or something, and they'll they'll leave their families. And Joe Jackson didn't do it, he had a house full of kids, and he stayed with his wife and raised those kids and and produced for a phenomenal, phenomenal talents to the world. Now, a lot of people say Mike didn't have a regular childhood and this, this, and that. Mike wasn't a regular person, man. I watched that movie, and I've and since I watched the movie, and I've every day I look at little clips of him and different things like that. Man, this dude was he was beyond superstardom. Beyond that. You'll there'll never be nothing like him again, ever. Ever. There will never be nothing like that. Man, that guy was phenomenal. With his perfection, he was a perfectionist. Family, that just don't happen, man. That just that's not, I don't, you know, I don't deal with coincidences. Family, that man was exceptional from a time he was born. This kid was special, man. And and we there's nothing that'll ever replace him or or be like him again, ever. And he came from us. Joe Jackson produced that. So you can say what you want about him. He was abusive, maybe. He was maybe he was a little abusive. My father, man, my father wasn't no joke neither with that belt. I'm I'm I'm sitting up here, we talking, family. We talking. These men were from the south, man. Them cats wasn't no joke with that belt, man. And see, my father, he whipped your behind so good to you didn't need uh many behind whippings to know because my father talked with his eyes a lot. He would look at me, you know. I was a boy, so he was harder than he was on the girls, but he would look at me like, nigga. His eyes would be talking, and you knew he didn't have to say much because you knew how he looked at you. You knew just what to do. And when he spoke, he spoke with a clarity very precise. Well, he wouldn't raise his voice, he was not a loud talking guy. You understand? Very smooth and even toned. But he would make a facial expression before he spoke. And you knew what type of mood that was setting, right? Joe Jackson was that kind of father. Yeah, you had to come in sometime and whips whip some behind, man. Got to get that strap and let it go. Put that strap to that behind. You understand? Because they, you know, the Jacksons, when they once they got to Motown, they, you know, Smokey and all them guys, all of the big guys, they had 12-hour sessions, 16-hour sessions in the booth. The Jacksons only had, from what I'm understanding from all reports, are saying to me that they only had maybe three hours to you know, booth time. So they had to get it right. They had to get it right. You know, Barry Gordy and them was showing him as much as he could, but they had they had this old Joe. You know, Father Joe had to get to tightening up some behind round him, man. Y'all playing and giggling and laughing, because they the kids do what kids do. But when it's time to get down, man, we man, this ain't no joke, man. I'm trying to get us out of Gary. Right? I'm trying to get us out of Gary, Indiana. Y'all can't see the vision I'm seeing. So yeah, he got he had to tighten up that thing a little bit. And again, Mike didn't have a regular childhood like other kids had because he wasn't a regular child. I want to play something here. I want to play something here for for you. Let me see, can I find that clip? Here it is.

Discipline Vs Abuse And Family Trauma

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Here it is, family. In those days, some of the guys in those days, they had one baby, and then they would run off.

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This is Joe Jackson, family.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

Joe Jackson, you have them, you work for them, bring them up the right way, and then uh was told to stay with the family and be a father to the family. Absolutely, I think it was the fifth trade. And you I needed another job, so I took up a trade. Uh it was a welding trade. So I took that trade up and finished that trade and and got another job as an art welder. I used to do that too. So they made me have two jobs to deal with. I worked two jobs almost ten years. Well, they had a lot of problems at that time, you know, with with a lot of crime and stuff. That's one of the reasons that I was able to um keep my kids at home. I know Michael always uh complained, but he never did have a childhood. He had a wonderful childhood. Why I say that? Because his childhood, he was there with his brothers and sisters. He always played with them. I just didn't want him out there playing with the kids and stuff that um always in trouble. And they were in most some of those kids are in prison, some of them are dead, and uh was that raising those kids. I raised them close, they they uh was um was they able to uh to entertain each other, and um and I thought that was good. They didn't have to go out there in the streets if they were locked up like so many other people or robbing people. They never did none of that stuff.

SPEAKER_01 36:26

And I asked you a question. What there is a difference between a beating and a spanking.

SPEAKER_03 36:30

Well, spanking, you know, you just spank them a little bit with your hand or something, let them know that's wrong what they're doing. A beating comes from the slavery days. Uh, when they used to beat the slaves, because when the slaves try to run for freedom or something, they grab them and beat them and tortured them, you know. And they beat them with just about anything you get their hands on, put scars on them and all that type of thing. And that's the difference between beating, and that's where it came from in the slavery days by the slave masters.

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Tell me, when did music become a part of their lives? Was that a dream of yours? Was that something that you saw that could protect them even more?

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There you have it, family. That was Father Joe Jackson. You heard that. You heard that. What he dealt, he man had a bunch of house full of kids. He didn't leave those kids and go out and get another woman, and which a lot of guys were doing back then. He stayed with his family, worked two jobs for 10 years to raise his family and feed them. Man, if that ain't a caring man, I don't know. So he didn't have time to hold out and play. Okay, yeah, there's a thing about they didn't they wasn't able to call him daddy and stuff. He he let them know you called me Joe. Right? That was his choice. And I didn't call my father daddy. I called him father until I got grown and was up, was able to call him uh I started calling him Pop in my older years. You know, when I got grown enough, I started to call him Pop. He, you know, he looked, he liked that. He liked me calling him Pop. And all the grandchildren call him Papa, Papa. And and we would call him, the rest of us would call him Pop. Now the girls called him Daddy. Daddy, he was daddy. Uh uh the grand all the grandkids call him Papa, and and and my sister and them, they they call him daddy. But I called him father, and my mother would get mad, and she would say, Well, why why you don't call me mother? Because we used to just call her ma. She was ma. Ma. She said, Well, y'all don't call me mother, y'all call him, you call him father. You know, that's just the relationship me and man, you know, that was he was father. And um, you know, that's what it was with with them, you know. But people try to make it like, you know, there was probably some estrangement between him and Mike and the rest of the children, because I hear there was some estrangement from Janet and her father for whatever reasons. We're not talking about perfect people. These people weren't perfect. They were they were human just like us, but they were extraordinary people nonetheless. But they had family uh fight, little feuds and stuff like that, just like anybody else, right? And I'm sure there were some unresolved issues between Mike and his father because of the relationship, and Mike didn't probably didn't understand. But one thing when Mike got grown, he understood that. Now there was some things between there was some accusations one time with LaToya. She had said some things, but she recandidated it. Right immediately, she recanted it, and it was supposed to be some kind of sexual thing or whatever. She recanted that and straightened that right out. No, he was not that, he didn't do that. No, no, no. And sometimes these slick Hollywood folks, these journalists and stuff like that, they'll they'll they'll word things in a tricky way to make it seem you said something that you really didn't mean, but you said they'll twist your words in a way to make it seem like you said this when you was really saying this. But anyway, family, yeah. But Mike, let me make no mistakes about it. I'm telling you, family. I'm telling you, I've been researching this thing, looking at it from all many different angles. Michael, look, Michael Jackson loved his father. Make no mistake, and his father loved him. There was, there may have been some estrangement. There was some estrangement between me and my father. There was a span for about 10, 12 years. Me and my father didn't even talk. I was on my BS then. I'm in the streets and I'm doing my thing, and he did not like that. So he wanted nothing to do with me. That went on for about 10, 12 years. And then when I changed up and I started being an upright citizen and working and stuff like that, he me and him bonded back and we came back and reconciled some things and we hugged, man. Every time we saw each other, we embraced each other. I even, in the last few years of my father's life, man, every time I would see him, when we depart, I would kiss him. You see what I'm saying? That's how we became. You know. So I know Mike loved his father. I loved my father. And I thought my father was the worst thing, man, when I was coming up. You know, that dude stayed on me hard, man. He was hard, but he knew what he was doing. And uh I think Joe knew what he was doing with his sons. But I wanted to play something else in it, and it's it's kind of you're gonna have to brace for a family because it's it's a it's a little, it's a little, it's a little touching. And uh, I I thought it would be proper for me to get up here and let me uh see, because I had it up here. Yeah, here it is. I had it up here. Let me see, can I get it in here? Hold on.

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The saddest part about the whole thing

Michael’s Love For Joe

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was Micah tried to reach me. He says, Call my father. This is before he passed. He would know how to get me out of this. But they didn't get in touch with me. They said they couldn't find me, but I was right there. And what bothers me when he called I, I couldn't help it.

SPEAKER_06 42:31

Now that was that was Joe Jackson's little clip there he was doing. He was uh Piers Morgan was interviewing him, and he said, when when when this thing happened with Mike that that June 25th day, 20th of 2009, the day he died, he got in some he got in trouble and he told them to call my father. He knows what to do, he knows how to get me out of this. Call Joe. Call him. And uh they couldn't find uh Mr. Joe, they couldn't find him, or whatever, they couldn't reach him. And he said in this interview with Pierce Morgan, he said that that's what hurt him the most was when his son called for him, he couldn't help him. You know how tormenting that is for a parent. Can you imagine? This is his father, the one that everybody says he's such a monster. Mike loved his father. Make no mistake about that. Michael Jackson loved his father family. And uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what it is. And like I said, the movie, excellent movie. Go see the movie if you haven't yet. I don't want to, you know, it's it's no spoilers left because everybody's talking about it. It's no spoilers left. I believe there will be a sequel because the way they filmed it and the way it ended, it left room for a sequel to it. I'm glad they didn't focus on a lot of the BS with the trial and the charge. Because he was charged in in 2003 with the uh mo molestation thing, I think in November, and he was indicted in December. And, you know, subsequently, uh Mezzaru was his uh his lead attorney, and he was cleared on all charges. Thank goodness for that. Thank goodness for that. Our brother was cleared on all charges. Tom, I think that was his lead attorney, Tom Mezzaru. And uh he's still around, that Mezzaru guy, his lead attorney is still around. And uh you know, Mike, Mike had been through so much. And the reason why I bel I believe him and Prince both, and Whitney, and Whitney, Dr. Cosby, all of our great ones, you know

Michael Jackson Business And Ownership

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this family, when they when they uh uh decide to go after us, it's usually a a thing of retribution. It's usually retribution behind it, family. The way I see it. Mike brought had brought, you know, he brought the uh the Sony, he he brought a catalog from Sony in 1985 from a company called Homes in Court. And that was uh they was I don't know if there was a third party dealing with Sony or direct partners with Sony or whatever, but he brought the catalog, which included the Beatles, because everybody's under the impression, oh, he brought the Beatles catalog. No, he brought a catalog from Sony that included the Beatles. It included the Beatles, and that was purchased in 1985 after he had had a conversation with Paul McCartney, and uh Paul McCartney advised him that that's where the the business part of what we do is is in in in uh ownership. He and Mike went to it. Mike, let me let me see, can I find it? I had it up here. Why is it now I can't get it? What happened to it? I had that feature, I had it up here because there were several artists' catalogs in that. It wasn't just the Beatles, it wasn't not just the Beatles. Let me see, can I find it? Let me see, can I find it, and we'll get we'll get it up here to you. Okay. Okay, family. Yeah, I found it. I found it. And here it is. It wasn't just the Beatles. 1985, he purchased the catalog from this company uh that uh he uh he eventually went into partnership with them, but it was it was the Beatles. They had it was over 250 songs by the Beatles that were produced by Lennon and McCartney, John Lennon and Paul McCartney. And um they'll in this catalog also contain hits from artists like Elvis Presley, Bruce Springsteen, The Rolling Stones, Cher, and Little Richard. Now, here's the deal, family. He actually gave Little Richard all of his masters and publishing and everything. He gave that back to Little Richard. Mike was a gang, Mike was gangster too. Mike was gangster, all that stuff about him or dancing, putting the grips and the bloods in his videos and going down there to the hood and talking with them and and having a relationship with them was true. And they alluded to that in the movie, they showed it, right? And also this is before now, once he purchased that, I think in 1995, he merged with Sony to create Sony ATV, Music Publishing, and these artists were Bob Dalen, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Roy Oberson. Right? And he also had uh he had personal uh publishing, a personal publishing company called uh Me Jack, and it and it held the rights to to artists and hits by by Slying the Family Stone. He gave Sly them their stuff back. Uh Ray, Aretha, uh uh Ray and Aretha Franklin, Gamble and Huff. And uh also in these catalogs wasn't just the Beatles, it was Elvis Presley, Bruce Springsteen, Roller Stones, Bob Dillon, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Nix, Eminem, Taylor Swift, and the police. When they wrapped up, when everything was was done and wrapped up, they had they had Eminem and Taylor Swift in those in that catalog. Yeah, so Mike was getting paid. He Mike was he was getting it because he knew business and he focused on ownership. Mike was an extraordinary guy, extraordinary guy. But family, we almost been up here long enough. And uh if I could think of anything else concerning the movie, I'm gonna go see it again. But if I can think of any anything else that uh that I can come up with that um that would be special, I will talk about in in in you know upcoming episodes and broadcasts. So yeah, what I want to touch on before before we get out of here, it was two things, because I didn't I I meant to do the bio at the beginning of the of the program, but I was feeling such a vibe, I overlooked it, but we're gonna do it before we get out of here. But

SCOTUS Redistricting And Black Leverage

SPEAKER_06 49:59

the thing I wanted to speak on before I depart from you today is the recent SCOTUS ruling on the voting act. The voting act. The Supreme Court's ruling recently, I think it was last week, it was Wednesday or Thursday, they voted on the voting act, and they decided that it is unconstitutional to make up these districts according to race. Now, the Democrats are up in arms, they're in a crisis right now because they're potentially gonna lose a lot of seats in the House, and this may stop this uh so-called blue wave coming for the midterms because they stand to lose from e anywhere from 12 to 30 seats, potentially 30 seats, but they know about 12 or 13 seats for sure they're going to lose. That said, family. That said, people have been asking me my opinion on it, and I'm here for it, and I'll tell you why. Some of you may get upset with me, but I'll tell you why I'm here for it. I'm here for it because with this ruling, gives us leverage. You know, I've been talking about leverage for the last few weeks up here, about us gaining leverage, and this is going to help us gain some leverage. Now, the Democrats are not advocating this, and they're not teaching it. They all they're talking about is they're taking our rights to vote. Nobody's taking anyone's, you can still vote, even in those red states where they're going to be redrawing those district maps, you'll still be able to vote. Black, white, brown, yellow, red, green, tan, purple, lavender, you'll still be able to vote. The Democratic stronghold in these certain territories will be dismantled and it won't be anymore. So the Democrats, for the last 60 years, have had a monopoly, a chokehold on the black vote at the rate of 90 to 95% a clip. That is no longer with this ruling. That is no longer. Now they must compete for the black vote. You take that district down there in South Carolina, that that that old stinking dog. That stinking dog. I'm gonna say it one more time, three times, like our brother uh fatunde Johnson, Umar Fatunde, right? Three times. That stinking dog down here in South Carolina, they call Jim Clyburn, that bastard, he been in that seat for 30 years, family. This stinking dog been in that seat, and that's the district is is the sixth poorest district in the nation and has been for the last 30 years. Family, that's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence. That is a pattern, that is an agenda. The same way in these blue cities they call democratic territories, now they're calling them uh safe havens and stuff like that, sanctuary cities where Democrats run and where black people live, the communities are un underserved, the schools are underserved, divested, the people are poor, and they got the worst of everything. How? How is that? But you want us to keep voting because of identity politics. Well, black people don't have no representation. Representation is the point. We we've been having representation, black representation for the last 60 years. What have you done with it? You've done nothing but line your pockets. These black elected officials line their pockets. That woman that's the head of the CBC right now, that e that Yvette Clark, she's from the 9th district over here in Brooklyn where I'm at. That woman is a Jamaican woman. Right? She made deals back in the early 2000s, specifically for people from the Caribbean. Right? Specifically. But when you ask her anything about reparations for Foundational Black Americans, descendants of the freedmen, they don't want to talk about that. They ain't nothing, look, look, look, you know, they'll walk away from you. Because they don't want nothing to do with that. They don't want that. That's not on the agenda. You know what's on the Democratic agenda? LGBT, abortion, and illegal immigrants. That is the agenda for the Democrats. Right? They ain't thinking about nothing else. So my thing is that now they on thin crime. Y'all knew this was coming 10, 15 years ago. The Republicans have been talking about the district maps for congressional seats. They've been talking about it for years. You had two trifectors, one under Obama from 2009 to 2011, and then one for uh uh uh that cat uh Biden cat from 2020 to 22. You had a trifector both times. You did nothing to do. You could have done the same thing these Republicans are doing, but you think you got the black vote in the bag, and you know you're gonna get 90-95% black vote. Now that's not the case no more with this. That's not the case. Now you got to work for the vote. You got the you got to compete. The Republicans don't need the black vote as it stands. But see, if they start getting increases in black voter turnout in the Republican side, y'all never gonna touch power again. Never. And I hope that happens because I don't like the way you took the vote for granted and and and you you created a policy of benign neglect. Because you think I ain't got we ain't gotta do nothing for them niggas. They're gonna vote for us anyway.

SPEAKER_04 56:26

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 56:30

So now you got old little fat ham hop.

SPEAKER_05 56:37

I done told y'all, I done told y'all what's gonna happen. I I tell y'all, I tell y'all. They they they they they the the the Republicans are attacking any kind of black power from any angle.

SPEAKER_06 56:51

They they don't want nothing to empower black people. Well, neither do the Democrats, because y'all had y'all had time and space to avoid things like this. We've been telling y'all, come with some tangibles. Oh no. So now that this has happened, the Supreme Court done ruled, and they're gonna re-redo these maps. This is what y'all should do, Democrats. Get out of our face about this vote and stuff. Get leave us alone, go and get them illegal immigrants you done flooded the country with and put on top of us. Go get them to vote for you and to call Congress up and complain about this stuff. Go get the LGBT community, right? Go get them. Don't we don't want to hear none of this. Right? Because every time we approach you with something, oh, we can y'all go set up, just set up and vote now. We ain't got time for what y'all talking about. Set up and vote. So go you go to them. Go to them with it. We don't want to hear it. I don't, none of us don't want to hear it, especially on the grassroots. Now you got some old thick-headed Negroes still pushing that democratic line. They still on the plantation. And uh, yeah, but that other than that, y'all can get y'all can kick rocks with open-toe sandals on. Forever. Go on down the road and kick rocks with open-toe sandals on. Leave us alone. Because we don't, we don't want to hear it. We're not interested in what you're talking about. Put some legislation together specifically for us, and maybe we can start turning this thing around and getting some power, and y'all could help us. Other than that, leave us alone. Move on out the way. I hope, I hope that this the Democratic Party is totally dismantled and obliterated in these next few years. That's what I hope. So y'all can just leave us alone. Like I said, go talk to the illegal immigrants, go talk to people. You you pushing this agenda. You don't know if a woman is a man is a woman and a woman's supposed to be a man and all this. And a lot of that stuff rub people the wrong way. And it's why you got the problems you have now. Even them illegals, uh, when they if they get uh the rights to vote and stuff like that, they're not gonna vote for y'all. People don't want this stuff, this, this, this, this, this agenda y'all pushing. So, yeah, family, that that's that's crazy. But we're gonna, we're gonna, let me see, can I find a bio for the week and we'll get out, we'll get on up out of here, family. Because we done had a good discussion tonight. We done had a great discussion. And let me see, can let me see, can I get that bio in here? Because that's important. We want to stick to that bio. But I was so excited at the beginning of the program. I was so excited that that I just wanted to I wanted to get right into the Michael thing. But uh yeah. But

Cornelius Henderson Hidden Engineering Legacy

SPEAKER_06 59:59

family, this week's bio is is from for a brother named Cornelius Henderson, and we I got a little something I want you to hear from him. Hold on. Let me see if can I get it in here. Let me find our brother Cornelius Henderson.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

Let me find him. One of the men who helped connect two nations was erased from history, even though millions still rely on his work every single day. His name was Cornelius Henderson. Born around 1887 in Detroit, at a time when black engineers were almost non existent, he chose a path the world wasn't ready for. He pursued civil engineering and entered the University of Michigan, where he became one of the only, and in many cases the only black student in his program forced to study in isolation while others collaborated freely. In 1911, he graduated with a civil engineering degree, becoming just the second black graduate in that field at the university. That should have opened doors. It didn't. Despite his qualifications, companies refused to hire him because of his race. The best offer he received was not as an engineer but as a de janitor. But Henderson didn't stop. He crossed the border into Canada and joined the Canadian Bridge Company, starting from the bottom as a draftsman. And step by step, roll by roll, he climbed: stock manager, steel cost engineer, structural designer, until his talent could no longer be ignored. Then came the opportunity that would define history. In 1927, his company was awarded the contract to build the Ambassador Bridge, a project designed to connect Detroit and Windsor. Henderson was appointed chief structural engineer for the Canadian side. He designed the Windsor approach and supervised the installation of the massive steel framework that would hold the bridge together. When the bridge opened in 1929, it was the longest suspension bridge in the world, a structure that would go on to carry over a quarter of trade between the United States and Canada. Think about that. One of the most important economic lifelines in North America, and one of the key minds behind it, was a black engineer who couldn't get hired in his own country. But Henderson wasn't finished because one achievement wasn't enough. In the early 1930s, he moved on to another project that pushed engineering boundaries even further. The Detroit Windsor Tunnel. This wasn't a bridge above water. This was a tunnel beneath it. One of the first underwater vehicle tunnels connecting two nations. Henderson supervised the construction of the massive steel tubes that protect the tunnel from the pressure of the river above. Imagine the precision required, the risk, the pressure. Building beneath a river, linking two countries with far less technology than we have today. That's not just engineering, that's mastery under pressure. Over a 47-year career, Henderson worked on bridges, tunnels, railroads, factories, and buildings across North America and beyond. He wasn't just part of history, he helped shape the physical world people move through every day. And yet, his name is barely mentioned. No major textbooks, no widespread recognition. The structures remain, the legacy stands, but the man behind them fades into the background. This is how history often works. The impact stays visible, but the identity disappears. As Carter G. Woodson once said, if a race has no history, it has no worthwhile tradition. Cornelius Henderson didn't just build steel and concrete, he built connections between cities, economies, and nations. And he did it while fighting barriers that had nothing to do with ability and everything to do with race. So here's the question: how many things you rely on every single day were built by people you were never taught about? How many innovators were erased because their story didn't fit the narrative? And how different would history look if every contributor was actually remembered? If this is your first time hearing his name, say it,

History Study And Closing Blessing

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Cornelius Henderson.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:10

And if you believe pioneers, family, that's it. We're gonna get ready to blow out of here, blow out of here. And I want y'all to go in peace, keep the peace, have patience with one another, look up these bios. Family, look up these bios, and try to study history, our history. Because we're trying to recall our greatness. We're trying to recall our greatness so we can rekindle things we did in the past so we can get it together and it'll work for us. So, with that said, family, as my my boy King would say, a lot of times we come up here, must respect life, love justice, cherish freedom, and treasure the peace. Y'all, once again, go in peace and keep the peace, and we'll see y'all next time. Peace.