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Holiday Predictions and Trivia Fun

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The Impact of Technology on Children

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Consumer Fatigue with Smart Devices

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The Rise of Deepfakes and Cybersecurity Risks

23:11
Privacy as a Luxury

30:02
Closing Thoughts and Predictions for the Future

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CHAOS | Cybersecurity Predictions You Need to Know NOW

Chapters

00:00Introduction and Predictions for 2026

02:33The Impact of Technology on Children

05:21Consumer Fatigue with Smart Devices

07:58Balancing Convenience and Cybersecurity

10:51Deepfakes and Cybersecurity Awareness

16:39The Rise of Deepfake Technology

20:27Skepticism in the Age of AI

23:52Privacy: A Right or a Luxury?

26:04The Game of Real vs. Fake

30:51Looking Ahead: Predictions and Hopes

Host (00:06.68)
Hang on.

Host (00:13.134)
All right. We are. We are here with chaos, the holiday edition last chaos episode of 2025, and we are going to do a little bit something different today. I am your host, David Morrow, joined in the studio by Dr. Sergio Sanchez and Zach Mosca.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (00:30.149)
Hello, everyone.

Zack Moscow (00:40.086)
Hello world.

Host (00:40.28)
who is just showing us his entire music studio and all of the instruments and Sergio was explaining that his mom actually was with the Philharmonic and that's awesome. I think it's fantastic. But today, because we're starting a new year coming up, we're going to make some predictions based on our experience and we'll see how we do.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (00:54.065)
Thank

Host (01:08.065)
You know, I think there should be a prize at the end. Like anybody that get actually can predict, look in their crystal ball and predict if we get it right, which I'm pretty confident we will at least a couple of them. But we're just going to each bring one main prediction. We're not going to bore everybody with like 50 different predictions because frankly that's cheating and that's easy. And then we're also going to play hack or hike.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (01:16.081)
Thank

you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (01:31.089)
Thank you.

Host (01:36.971)
The greatest trivia game on the planet that where I provide either two fake newsletter articles, right? The titles of them. And you guys tell me whether they're real or not. Or I provide one real one fake or I provide two real ones. You two don't know. And that's where the excitement comes in.

Zack Moscow (02:03.806)
where the fun happens. David, I realize, real quick.

Host (02:05.521)
Absolutely. And as a reminder, nobody has really won so far, both that I've kept tally of. think Zach might have Zach might have done it first one, but we didn't have the the cyber crime junkie bucks in place then. So now we're playing for a cash prize of forty two thousand one hundred and sixty four cyber crime junkie bucks.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (02:06.573)
Let's go.

Zack Moscow (02:16.288)
Okay, first one. Yeah.

Host (02:33.631)
And that is really, really exciting because those are like gold, except that they're absolutely worthless. Yeah, you can't. Amazon doesn't accept them. I tried, but they don't accept them. All right, so gentlemen, before we begin, anything new? you guys want to share?

Zack Moscow (02:39.03)
Yeah, you can't spend them all in one place. That's the problem with cyber. Yeah.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (02:43.857)
Thank you.

Zack Moscow (02:49.954)
That's the thought.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (02:50.481)
you

So I would like to share but after the prediction something that is related to gifts for kids this Christmas season

Host (03:09.087)
No, why don't you go ahead? Let's hear about it first. Yeah, if it's a giving, if it's something that is charitable, let's hear about it first.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (03:15.921)
Well, it's not really cheerful, actually. It's kind of sad. But I think it's necessary to tell the parents and grandparents. And this came because when I asked my grandkids, what do you want me to get you or when you want Santa Claus to bring you? They said basically everything that is electronic. They want a iPad, they want a tablet, they want an iPhone, et cetera, et cetera. And with that, it's tricking me something that I'm worried about.

Host (03:19.708)
Host (03:36.407)
course.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (03:45.305)
So basically, Santa is bringing tablets, but who else is coming along? So yes, know, Christmas morning is almost here. You are like me, like millions of parents or grandparents across the United States, or basically the world. You probably got a shiny new tablet or a gaming console, Xbox, PlayStation.

Host (03:55.286)
Good point.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (04:15.106)
Nintendo Switch 2, etc, etc. Or a smartphone wrapped up under the tree, ready for the kids. Okay? And that is pretty cool because we're bringing the kids to technology. also, we are giving the kids the kids... Well, we're giving the kids, all these children, the kids of the entire internet sometimes when parents don't check.

Host (04:30.284)
There's risk with that. Yeah, there's risks, right? Especially with kids.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (04:44.56)
how to apply parental permissions to the devices. And here is the next slide.

Host (04:49.567)
Right, absolutely. And how to monitor them, and how to monitor them, like on games like Roblox and things like that. Okay, that's a really good point, and that's something that parents need to consider.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (04:56.694)
Actually, let me tell you about that.

Yeah, by example, it's something that, you know, most of the parents, we think that video games because has the word games is so only for children. And right now it's a very, very popular ones, which is Roblox and it is Minecraft. Now, sadly, these games, which are awesome, awesome for kids to develop imagination, also sadly is the door.

Host (05:30.357)
Yes.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (05:32.24)
for people that are not too good.

Host (05:36.607)
yeah, there's thousands of documented predator incidents and everything else. Yep.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (05:40.112)
Exactly actually I'm very worried from a group called 764

Zack Moscow (05:41.398)
Work for risk.

Host (05:48.171)
Yep. That's an entire episode. That's I mean, I'm with you. That's an entire episode. And that is something we probably should talk about, because if you don't know about the 764 gang, I'm sure I'm sure you do. I'm talking to our listeners. But if you don't, we're going to have an episode on it because it is so significant. They are involved in the Roblox game, the Minecraft game, Fortnite, and they

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (05:57.552)
Yep.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (06:11.825)
you

Host (06:18.597)
operate and they leverage some of the technologies we talk about deep fakes, sex distortion. It's it's really, really vile and vicious. Some of the things that they do. Okay.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (06:31.768)
And mostly slightly they target kids so just do that go and Google it

Host (06:35.241)
Yeah.

Yep, absolutely. And we'll take a deep dive on that. And thanks for bringing that up, Sergio, because it is the holiday season and this is when a lot of those games are going to be given to kids. Kids will be off in their rooms unsupervised with the door shut and they'll be playing. And that's when it happens. So I've got a lot of stories about that. We've done investigations into some of them. It's really, really tragic. So we'll definitely explore that together more.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (07:05.969)
So Merry Christmas!

Host (07:07.687)
All right.

Merry Christmas, thanks for that frightening thought. Okay, predictions as we look into the crystal ball of 2026, what do we see? Let's begin with Zach. Zach, give us your prediction, let's hear it.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (07:23.089)
available.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (07:26.609)
you

Zack Moscow (07:28.972)
Sure, so this is going to be an interesting one for a self-professed IT tech, AI junkie to make. But I really feel like we are at a consumer tipping point with smart AI enabled devices. And I'm not just talking about.

Host (07:48.575)
Wait, wait, the smart, the smart toilet, the smart mirror, the smart vacuum, the smart doorbell, all of that. You don't think we want more of it?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (07:49.891)
this.

Thank

Zack Moscow (07:54.25)
Appliances in your kitchen, correct.

Zack Moscow (08:01.142)
Consumers are fatigued. I mean, at least I can only speak from my experience, but yeah, I I went on them. I have great internet routers with a lot of visibility to look at all of the devices that we have in our.

in our house and I turned it on one day and actually went through and went through the exercise of categorizing every device and making sure I tracked it down and understood what it Good news is I didn't find anything suspicious. So we've got security. On the flip side, 45 devices. 45 devices.

Host (08:26.697)
That's good.

Host (08:33.193)
Yeah. And for a young family, that's a lot. Yeah.

Zack Moscow (09:01.122)
That's enough. And we're going to see a degree of consumer backlash against the proliferation of smart and AI devices in 2026. And that's my prediction.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (09:13.199)
Zach, let me comment about that very fast. You said you have 45 devices IoT. I did the same last week. I have 78. But let me tell you why. I have the Amazon Alexa and the lights and the even we have a cat and the cat has a device that clean the litter and it's connected to the wifi.

Host (09:13.308)
I like it.

Host (09:25.298)
Wow.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (09:42.128)
and tell me when I have to change the bags. Even how heavy is my cat if he's losing weight or he's gaining weight. Yeah, funny. But the huge amount is all my daughters which live at home with me, all the friends that comes with a laptop, that comes with an iPhone, and my daughters, of course, yeah, you need the IA Wi-Fi password here is. So,

Host (09:45.234)
Yes.

Host (10:00.05)
yeah.

Zack Moscow (10:08.364)
Well, yeah, I mean there's something to be said for, I we have a guest network and so anytime one of my friends comes over, they're obviously only on our guest network, which is segmented. I was saying on my personal, ultra secure network, this wasn't 45 foldable devices, this was 45 actively connected devices. That's all. All right, so that's...

Host (10:31.943)
Wow.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (10:32.305)
Wow.

Host (10:35.676)
Well, and Sergio Sergio, you do all the 3D printing and things. So each one of those and you've like got like a billion of them. So each one of those has a network connection. We are the same. mean, I do mine regularly, but because I go through and I turn off the IOT devices that we don't use. But we've got alarms and cameras around and then we've got the the cat litter box thing. We've got the same thing. I'm like.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (10:39.983)
Yes.

Host (11:05.071)
It's time and then we've got there's a couple other ones, one that automatically like dispenses food. There's another thing that just like the the mop and the the the vacuum thing. It's it's it's just a lot, but every single one of them, I just take 10 minutes and go into the portal and make it some ridiculously hard password because it's just.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (11:21.361)
Thank you.

Host (11:32.72)
You know, I just don't know. Now the truth is, is it's probably all being uploaded. They probably all have cameras and listening devices and it's being uploaded to some server in China or something. But if they want to know how my cat is doing, I'm good with that. I mean, I think I'm fine with it. There's a certain level of privacy. I think I've just kind of given up on. But then there's other parts that are critical that we kind of create a little

enclave, you know what I mean? And lock that part down.

Zack Moscow (12:05.11)
Right, I mean, think it's a question of weighing convenience versus...

Host (12:11.013)
Yeah, that's convenient. That's the scale we always talk about, right? There's cybersecurity where we all unplug, right? And then there's convenience on the other end. And how do we find that balance?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (12:16.145)
you

Zack Moscow (12:23.274)
I think that balance is going to away from convenience and toward

Host (12:28.196)
yeah. I mean these things are really key too. Like I would love to go back to the old Motorola phones. You know what mean? Or even the Palm Pilots where I could like have all my productivity stuff but I didn't have to get bombarded with calls. You know?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (12:28.625)
Thanks for watching.

Zack Moscow (12:32.535)
Yeah.

Zack Moscow (12:36.927)
Yeah.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (12:40.049)
you

Zack Moscow (12:45.12)
I was talking with a buddy and he has a smartphone provided by his work. It's an iPhone. It's got all the bells and whistles and apps and connectivity. he traded his personal iPhone for a flip phone. And he says,

Host (12:58.929)
Diddy, smart.

Zack Moscow (13:00.546)
I've got all of this on my work phone and at 6 o'clock, 5 o'clock, whatever on Friday, that work phone gets turned off and I have my cell phone to text and call and otherwise I don't have a screen in my pocket over the weekend. And I really, I kind of admire it.

Host (13:18.083)
I admire it. think there's a lot to be said to turning off when you're and being present in the moment with your family, your friends, you know, getting outside and feel grass, that type of thing. I think it's really important.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (13:18.385)
Thank

Zack Moscow (13:32.522)
Weird for IT guys to say that, but there you go.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (13:36.082)
Actually, some of us, we are kind of like a junkies for our phone. Like you pick up the phone and immediately just start to be anxious about like, my God, it's off. is somebody calling me? Somebody's texting me. I don't know. my God, my God. So that happened to a lot of us, that we are now phone addicted. We will need to start maybe create a

Host (13:37.51)
It's all a balance,

Zack Moscow (13:39.062)
Right.

Host (13:45.957)
ass.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (14:05.083)
funny colleagues anonymous. Hello, I'm Sergio and I've been without my phone for 30 seconds.

Zack Moscow (14:07.446)
Thank

Host (14:07.75)
Yeah, no, it's so true like tech, tech anonymous TA.

Host (14:16.923)
Yeah, exactly. And I'm a nervous wreck. Yeah. All right. I'm going to I'm going to jump in with with with my prediction, if that's OK. My prediction is on AI deepfakes this year. But it's not for the reason you think. Let me walk you through my thought process, because I've because we do a lot with this. We have Perry Carpenter, the strategic.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (14:29.911)
So.

Host (14:44.742)
advisor on deep fakes, author of the book, fake. He's coming on the show in in a week or so. We we we we do a lot in our. Public presentations and our keynote speeches about deep fakes, but look, I've been given this a lot of thought and like. When I think of cyber incidents, they're not like ninja sports, right? No one's rappelling down the ceiling with like.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (14:54.18)
you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (15:02.833)
Yes, we have.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (15:10.513)
Thanks.

Host (15:12.226)
Mission Impossible music playing, right? A cyber incident when it happens, it's boring. It's dry. It's quiet. It happens on like a normal Tuesday or a late night, a holiday weekend, right? A random Friday when everybody's kind of tired and overconfident. So when I think about how people are currently planning to defend against deep fakes,

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (15:25.346)
Thank

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (15:34.225)
Thank you.

you

Host (15:39.736)
and the amount that they've grown and the advancements that they've made. I think that we're all asking ourselves the wrong questions. Like so many people feel like I think I'd be able to tell a deep fake. I can tell. And I'm like, you know, I've got bad news. I think you're the vulnerability. Like because it's not about whether you can tell whether it's real or not. To me, it's about context and like

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (15:49.721)
you

Host (16:07.791)
who wins if you actually act. Like what I'm what I'm getting at is when we think of actual humans, right? We never really trust them, but we trust our own confidence and our own judgment way more right. If we're talking to somebody and they hesitate or they study or they stutter, let's say, or they misspeak, we instantly have our spider senses up, right? But when a calm voice

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (16:15.761)
Thank you.

Host (16:37.2)
that they recognize says to them, hey, real quick, I need this, right? Even if the video is a little fuzzy or it's, you know, we come up with these social, socially acceptable excuses to rationalize it, right? And that's where like that whole myth of, well, cybersecurity is really an IT thing. That's where that whole myth comes into play because

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (16:47.313)
Thank

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (16:58.203)
Thanks for watching.

Host (17:06.519)
cybersecurity gets parked with like a dark gets put in like a dark parking lot, right? With printers and password resets and the guy everybody calls when the TV isn't working or when zoom breaks down, right? Which is crazy to me, but no one ever says fraud. that's just the accounting department. That's just the accounting department's thing, right? Or we got sued for millions. that's just the, the, the legal department thing.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (17:18.865)
That's it.

Host (17:35.289)
No, it affects the whole group, right? But we treat cyber like it's optional until it ruins our fiscal year. So now when you add synthetic media, right, videos, pictures, audio that's undetectable mostly by most humans, it's just shocking. I don't mean like I know that there's a lot of hype around deep fakes.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (17:42.577)
you

Host (18:04.932)
You know, it used to be always celebrities. That's how they got popular. but now the training data that is needed is just a matter of seconds. And while somebody might not have as much content out there like like we do, we have a voicemail, right? I've got that phone. I've left a voicemail, right? They're able to voice clone people with just a few seconds of it. And then they can get people to say.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (18:31.532)
Thanks.

Host (18:32.164)
and do things that they never would have said or do. This last week, I read three different reports showing deepfake fraud this past year, 2025, was up 2100 percent. Right now, it's still not involved in every single social engineering act. It's only involved in roughly shy of 10 percent. But one in 15 fraud attempts now involves deepfake, either

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (18:38.06)
Thank

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (18:43.697)
Thank

you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (18:55.009)
Thank you sir.

Host (19:02.346)
audio, video, imagery, et cetera. So if 15 shady things happen, one of them isn't even human, right?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (19:03.537)
you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (19:09.873)
Yeah.

Zack Moscow (19:10.92)
It's going to be even higher in 2026.

Host (19:13.581)
Yeah. And and entrust just came out with a new thing that said deepfake attempts happened in the United States every five minutes. So that's every five minutes. That's not a trend. That's a freaking punch clock. Right. And so to me, the danger isn't the technology or that the technology is advancing. It's our instincts to believe what we see and then explain away

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (19:32.017)
Thank you.

Host (19:42.884)
in a socially acceptable way, like, oh, their wifi must be lagging or something. Right. And I think because of that, here's my prediction. In 2026, deep fakes don't win because they're going to be even more impressive. They're going to win because they're going to become the norm. They win because it's boring. They're going to win because we're going to see a sharp increase

in their regular use. They'll be used on any given Tuesday, any late night, any run of the mill data breach through social engineering. Like I'm, I'm absolutely convinced of it. So

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (20:21.307)
So, we'll you

Zack Moscow (20:26.944)
I've got a response to that, David. Real quick, I know we're already running a little bit. We talked about, just about two months ago, I said in my circle of friends and people that I know, it's getting to the point where when we see something on social media, for example, if we're on Instagram, the level of confidence that something is legit and not AI generated or deep faked is incredibly low.

Host (20:30.563)
Yeah.

Zack Moscow (20:55.316)
And so I really feel like we are building this naturally, organically, a culture of skepticism around any synthetic media, is the word that you used, and really always being suspicious of anything that we see that's digital. So I feel like I am more optimistic on this than you are. And I think that we have been trained over the last year

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (21:23.217)
you

Zack Moscow (21:25.236)
As deep fake technology is caught up, we've been trained with AI generated content that we are learning to, we know that it's good and we know that it's indistinguishable. It's not five years ago when every hand had six or seven fingers. So I feel better and I feel like they're already this.

a healthy degree of skepticism of anything that we see digitally that is going to protect us, the global us, or at least the American people from further proliferation. So that's my comment on your prediction.

Host (21:59.052)
Okay.

So let me respond with two counterpoints. One, I agree with you. think that, well, statistically, I think the meta platform has like 40 % of everything on there that we see is not factually correct. So most of us, if not higher, so most of us are probably used to, well, let me go Google that. Let me go look that up first before I reshare that, because I don't know that they really said that, or I don't know if that's really true.

Zack Moscow (22:14.978)
Yes.

Host (22:31.49)
And we also see a lot of like crazy deep fake stuff and AI generated stuff. OK, I'm with you on that. But I also think we tend to dismiss. What is true then? So we run a risk of that. But also. What what what what my prediction is, though, is while deep fakes have risen 2100 percent, they're only about just shy of 10 percent.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (22:45.777)
Yeah.

Zack Moscow (22:47.054)
100%. Great. Great.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (22:57.915)
you

Host (23:00.167)
of all of the social engineering attempts, meaning social engineering attempts are still mostly phishing emails. They're still mostly like the routine hacks, the things like that. My prediction is that that phishing emails now will come as part of a campaign because I see kits being sold all packaged together with like phishing email, a calendar invite. Somebody gets on Zoom. There's a call made.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (23:05.137)
That's it.

Thank you.

Zack Moscow (23:11.362)
Old school, school engineer.

Host (23:30.152)
It is all part of the impersonation and what we're also seeing is the deep faking of the credibility of the people, the impersonation, right? These people have websites built that are that are completely believable, right? So that when you go and you look them up, they look legitimate, right? They'll join LinkedIn and kind of

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (23:32.145)
Okay.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (23:49.809)
Thank

Host (23:58.149)
stir up the pot a little, meaning they'll post once in a while. They'll be active on LinkedIn. They'll do it so that if you look them up, they look real. Yeah, that's what and because of that, because that model has been out there now kind of baking, I think 2026 is going to be the year we really see a dramatic rise. But we'll see. I hope I'm wrong. Yeah.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (24:01.168)
Thanks for watching.

Zack Moscow (24:07.436)
Legitimacy.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (24:19.312)
Thank

Zack Moscow (24:21.767)
hope you're wrong.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (24:24.122)
Well, I don't know if comes to an idea in my mind right now. If you go to Facebook, it's hundreds, and I mean hundreds of fake videos of people with artists like they are walking between movie sets or concerts. So in big part, I agree with Zach, will be so often that people now, that is fake. So even more.

Host (24:37.195)
yeah.

Host (24:42.808)
yeah, right.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (24:52.912)
Real thing would be fake. But also remember, it's a portion of the population that will believe no matter what. by example, again, I think I put my aunt in Spain last week, time we were together, that she really believes the person that I create saying that she was kidnapped. My aunt called me and says, why you don't send this to the police instead of putting it online?

I can't even tell if it's fake!

Host (25:23.041)
Right.

Zack Moscow (25:25.708)
Well, we just have to hope that pool of people is getting smaller, right? And I think that's the ballgame.

Host (25:29.749)
Yeah, exactly. Yep.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (25:35.504)
What?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (25:40.805)
Ha

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (25:45.04)
Thank

So my prediction is that sadly, privacy will stop to be a right and become a luxury. I believe that sadly also what privacy used to mean for our generation, the new generation is completely a different concept. So I say this because actually already in Europe, Meta, know, Facebook,

has a big version of Facebook and Instagram that doesn't show up ads. So they don't target you if you pay a price for it. I believe that yes, I believe that this going to happen. Like if you want your data to be not open to vendors, you can do a little bit more. Which also, if you think about it, this happened with

Host (26:30.356)
Really?

Host (26:40.928)
it's gonna cost you.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (26:46.0)
Amazon Prime when you want to see a movie you can pay less membership Exactly so the point here is also when you are allowed for them to show you ads They also are checking what kind of ads you are looking for plus that with Alexa hearing you what you are wishing for shop

Host (26:50.627)
yeah. Right. You can pay more for not having ads. Yep.

Host (27:11.168)
You know, that's a really good point. That's a really good point. Look, we always say, hey, our privacy is a right. It's like it's not privilege. It's not something you go and buy. It's our right to remain private. But is it because to exercise that right to remove your data from data brokers, right? It costs you money. You need platforms like Delete Me and, you know,

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (27:15.44)
Thank

Thank you.

Host (27:37.093)
optory and things like that. You have to engage these people because to do it manually yourself costs a fortune. it's you'd have to quit your job in order to do it. It takes too long.

Zack Moscow (27:48.417)
I think it's also kind of plays into what I was talking about in my prediction. Like are people just going to be so fatigued by these privacy concerns that they're like, you know what? Again, it's not worth it. It's not worth it.

Host (28:00.605)
Yeah, that's a really good point. Wow. Well, now we've come to that time, gentlemen.

It is unmistakably HACK YOU HINE time in which I, the host, have one rule and that is you don't know if I'm giving you too fake, too real, or mixing up one and one of the following headlines. Are you guys ready?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (28:18.263)
Okay.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (28:29.936)
We are ready.

Host (28:34.879)
All right. The first one is as follows. AI deepfake fraud. CFO authorizes $940,000 wire transfer after CEO conversation confirms board approval. AI deepfake fraud. CFO authorizes $940,000 wire transfer after CEO conversation confirms board

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (28:40.432)
you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (29:01.04)
Okay.

Host (29:04.485)
approval. Is it real or is fake?

Zack Moscow (29:06.09)
Now, here's the deal, David. I mean, this is, it's such an incredibly realistic and likely scenario that I'm inclined to say that it's real, but you may be trying to pull a fast one on us and construct a very believable fake scenario. So.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (29:22.991)
It's

Host (29:29.311)
You think I've got the ability? I'm smart enough to do that.

Zack Moscow (29:32.316)
inside David's mind. You know what? I'm gonna say that you're not as devious as I'm insinuating and I'm gonna say that this is true. Fact.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (29:42.737)
You know, I will go with that too. I think it's true because it's happening before Maybe the amount of money is the the problem here, but I will go with the fact that yes is extremely possible that Somebody with the technology we have today they do that

Host (30:03.598)
And the answer is...

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (30:07.405)
you

Host (30:08.766)
I completely made that up. so now we're getting to round two. So far, the jackpot is now $48,963. 64? 64 Cybercrime junkie buckets. Yeah, the more you get it wrong, the bigger the jackpot goes. Right? And where are we keeping this money? Alright, yeah, I'm sure.

Zack Moscow (30:25.954)
If we keep getting them wrong, we take more

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (30:29.936)
Yes, of course. Yeah.

Zack Moscow (30:43.434)
on a flash drive somewhere.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (30:46.48)
Now that you mentioned that, I will believe it's a new Turing test for knowing how smart a computer is. If I talk with my grandmother or talk with my aunt, they always tell me, hey, can you pass me that thing over that thing? The day that AI is able to know what they're talking about, that day we are done.

Zack Moscow (30:48.514)
Yeah, cool.

Host (31:11.291)
Yes.

my god. Alright. Number two.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (31:23.92)
You

Host (31:27.841)
A hacked car wash tried to kill me. Physically attacks people.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (31:37.841)
I'm thinking how, how, mean like, where you go inside. I, I know that probably because it is connected to a system that is automatically, you know, program it to clean your car that regulate the speed of the track. And at what time they've sold or the fans are activated. Yes, probably.

is able to be hacked. But for that to try to kill you, you will have to go walking inside. I don't know, keep you with the... I will think is, I want to risk it, but I will say it's fake.

Zack Moscow (32:25.462)
You know what, Sergio? I want one of us to take home the 48,000 cybercrime junkies bucks. So I am going to say fact, this actually happened.

Host (32:25.703)
Zachary?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (32:33.818)
Yeah.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (32:38.416)
Okay.

Host (32:48.285)
How do we turn that thing off? All right. think that applause just went on. So it actually was a hack. It's a real headline. The hack of an Internet of Things drive through car wash with default admin password of 12345, which trapped cars and slammed machinery into them, freaking people out. It turned a boring car wash into an unsafe machine.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (32:50.0)
Thank you.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (32:57.232)
you

you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (33:15.0)
I really hope I don't.

Host (33:16.199)
The car wash tried to kill me sounds like a B movie, but it's really just crappy security practices. So that's where we have it. Now, just keep in mind, Zach, you didn't win the whole 48. You are in the running now. It's a scoreboard. I need to get like a thing with the actual scoreboard. Yeah, and I'll go through and I'll keep track of what the score is. But yeah, all right.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (33:23.562)
wow.

Zack Moscow (33:24.64)
Where was this, David?

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (33:26.646)
you

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (33:32.312)
Thank you.

Zack Moscow (33:32.382)
We need like a little number.

Host (33:44.39)
Well, I hope that the predictions are viable. Actually, I hope that we're wrong on some of them. I hope I'm wrong. I hope Sergio is wrong. And a good tip for parents, I do hope Zach is right and we start to get more, you know, tech free because I think that's. Yeah, I think the the the detoxing, you know, the in and I think

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (33:47.086)
Yeah.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (34:03.088)
of the videos.

Zack Moscow (34:04.994)
Boundaries.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (34:08.208)
Yeah.

Host (34:14.298)
Having a further discussion around that makes great sense. So we wish everybody happy holidays and we will see you on the next one. And thank you guys so much for your time, your expertise and looking this stuff up for us.

Zack Moscow (34:16.576)
We should. We should.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (34:16.592)
a lot.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (34:27.472)
I'm going to leave this to everybody, Zach, Dave, I'll be coming from here.

Zack Moscow (34:31.392)
Happy holidays, happy new year.

Host (34:37.145)
Absolutely.

Excellent. Thanks everybody. See you. We're out.

Dr. Sergio E. Sanchez (34:41.658)
Bye.