#130 "Mediumship" is dead and we killed it. Welcome to the new theory

Buckle up, because we're ruffling some feathers with this one...

In our opinion, the way that mediumship is traditionally taught is incredibly reductive compared to what humans might actually be capable of.

Despite the cries of cynics everywhere, ESP and PSI abilities have been studied and proven, repeatably...and turns out, it's much weirder than just "I see dead people."

Minds influencing objects?

Our bodies proactively reacting to future events?

Psychic spies accurately seeing across space, time, and maybe even dimensions?

Yeah, idk about you, but that sounds infinitely cooler than the whole dead people thing.

What if instead we're tapping into a network of information that spans across time, space, and dimensions?

What possibilities does this allow?

Listen in as we dive into our current thoughts and ideas, and introduce Signal Mediumship - our own brand of coloring-outside-the-lines and expanding what we're actually capable of.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hey Nicole. I didn't get any sleep last night. I was up till six AM in a wild rabbit hole learning all about lizard people who are abducting gophers and doing wild experiments on them.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Mm-hmm. Sounds like you needed to drink a Tejos Tonic.

SPEAKER_02 0:18

You think? Yeah, bruv. Tehos Tonic is five milligrams of pure Texas grown THC.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Here in Dripping Springs, right down the road from us.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

And it will chill your ass out plenty. For your next event, grab a couple few. For your next self-care session, grab a few more.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

For the next time you're up at 5 a.m. thinking you're seeing Mothman flying through your window, drink a Tejos Tonic.

SPEAKER_02 0:41

Especially if he's wearing gym shorts. Good evening.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Uh what's uh also the sun's out.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

The sun is out. I just prefer to say good evening for everything. It's always nighttime here at the parahouse.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

In a vampire voice.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Good evening. Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Why does this sound weird? I feel like I sound so muffled.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

You sound muffled, so keep getting it. There we go. Bring close to you.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

I'm talking into the microphone.

SPEAKER_02 1:07

There we go. And you should be up now. You should be good. Talk more.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Uh yellow.

SPEAKER_02 1:12

There it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Okay, I can hear myself now. Congratulations, everyone.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

What a great professional way for us to start the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

Um, you know, you do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yeah. Uh we're gonna talk about some cool stuff tonight, but before we we jump into the overall uh topics that we want to discuss, uh want to go ahead and give both a quick shout-out and um read some quote fan mail.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

We got mail. Yeah, and we've got mail.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

I almost hate calling it that like, oh, we're gonna read some fan mail, right? But our podcast hosting company has a feature called fan mail, and you can text us basically, and it sends it to to to to that. So it's called fan mail, and um I want to read this one because this is someone who had uh reached out before, I think like a year ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

We We did read it, so for anybody who remembers, this is our our houseboat friend.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Yeah, and this guy's just really great, but he just recently sent us a message, so it was nice to hear from you if you are listening. I think you are, but here it goes. I hope this finds you both well and in good spirits. It has been some time since you read out my last text, number 102, that's episode 102. You did make me smile. I remain a wanderer, on occasion adrift, and then again with purpose, much as any life of love and loss, joy and despair, as it should be. The latter of this year took me through deep and troubled waters, near broke me, truth be told. But then I began to build and write and created this. And then he, of course, he links his brand new website, which I'm going to uh give a shout out to here. Uh for anyone listening, head over to uh Limnav.cloud. And there you can find out about Chris. Um says right here, uh Limer Navigation was founded by Chris during the la late latter half, later half of 2025. He lives a simple life on an old narrow boat navigating rivers in the south of England. He is a member of No Tribe in particular. So, Chris, I like to think that right now you're on your boat, you're looking at the sky, the waters are cool and calm.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

The fog is rolling in.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

The fog is rolling in, and our voices, our stupid voices, are coming through some mechanism fueling that life and that sense of adventure. I love it. I love the idea of it. I love when you send us messages. We're big fans of yours. Chris, thank you for messaging us. I hope everyone checks out your website. It's got some very interesting stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

I just have to say, his way of uh speaking, writing, perhaps speaking. We haven't heard you speak, but your writing is very poetic, and I think people would probably enjoy our episodes a lot more if we spoke that way.

SPEAKER_02 3:55

Yeah. Come on board, Chris. Come on the paraboat and teach us how to talk. Uh, anyways, um, that being said, thanks again. If you are a listener and you have anything to say to us, uh good or bad, shoot us a text or a a quote fan mail.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

If it's bad, don't be surprised if you get a gift of my middle finger back.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

Or if you get a gift from us.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah, we do do that sometimes too, actually.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

And we are planning on taking the idea of a of a friend of ours who will take bad reviews and put it on a t-shirt and make money on it. So we'll do that.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

Yeah, if you're gonna leave a bad review, at least make it like funny or something so we can use it, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 4:29

That's right. Make it funny. Help us out.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

Make it about Damien.

SPEAKER_02 4:31

Anyways, just wanted to that's the the the house cleaning there.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Um the house cleaning.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

Yeah, what do we what do we uh what are we diving into today?

SPEAKER_01 4:38

Well, today, today, gentle readers. Dearest gentle readers, for any other Bridgeton girlies.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

Oh, that's the Bridgerton. The smudge show.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Yeah. Um anyway, we're talking about signal mediumship.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Oh, pray tell Nicole. What is signal mediumship?

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Well, pray tell Damien. Um, yeah, we're just renaming mediumship into our own kind of unique brand of mediumship because if you've been around here for a minute, you obviously can gather through the things that we say. We do think about things a little bit differently, um, and just do things a bit different than the traditional forms of mediumship. So we just wanted to give it a clearer name to better differentiate and just kind of have a different connotation that we are adding to the world of mediumship, of you know, our weirdness.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

And I think as well, it encompasses how we are um how we have been, but also are planning on approaching it uh even more so moving into this year and beyond, which is, you know, people already know if you listen to this podcast, like sure, you can join up on the Patreon, you can come learn things like mediumship, divination, you know, ghost hunting, whatever. Um, but we do things very differently. And with mediumship, you know, this is something we've thought about for quite some time.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

Um years at this point.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

Yeah, years at this point. Um, you know, the idea of mediumship, why do we say, oh, let's signal mediumship? It's gonna be something different. It's not different, but it is gonna be a different approach in how you think about it, how we interact with it, and what we do with it. My biggest uh issue I've had for a long time with with the mediumship world is we as people have seemingly taken something very profound, very interesting, um something that could be just wonderful, and we have trivialized it because what do we do with it? We stop it at this weird realm of like, oh, we're gonna put people on a ghost show and have them go into a house and and and make us believe that they've never been there before and they're telling us you know the history of the house. Cool, it's a cool parlor trick. But where do we go with that? How do we utilize it in a way that's not trivial? That was, I think, the beginning uh of this whole journey for me at any rate.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

Uh I think, well, from my perspective of things, I mean, yes, there's that, but also um, as you said, it's kind of more so looking at mediumship through a different lens of things and more from our uh perspective of I think this actually can be a lot more than just like I'm talking to a dead person, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:19

And so when you say it can be a lot more, what do you let's elaborate there?

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Yes. So uh for me, and this has been something I mean everybody knows I'm, you know, existential, but over the past couple years, you know, the more that we've gotten into this, the more research that we've done. And when I say research, I mean not just like reading other paranormal books or watching daddy bagans. Like I'm talking about research as in like reading physics articles or talking to engineers, looking at the uh government-released remote viewing documents, like looking at things like this, okay? The research in the true sense of the word, and doing our own experiments along the way. But also coming from our own direct experiences, uh, it has kind of turned a lot of things completely upside down. And a lot of the traditional things that will be taught in mediumship spaces, I mean, we have had direct experiences, oftentimes multiple direct experiences, that just show it is false. Like for what is false. Some of the things that are traditionally taught. So, like for example in the mediumship world. Yes. So, like for example, the things that are like, oh, just set your boundaries and then they can't cross them. False. Uh definitely spirits, you mean? Yes, or whatever they want to call it. You want to call it a ghost, a spirit, a whatever the fuck. Um, but you know, we've had direct experiences with that. Like, I mean, everybody's heard at this point me talk about the Hill House story where my first thing or biggest boundary that I always said is like, do not touch me. And we went in there and what happened? I you got scratched. I got scratched, and that was a big hold my beer, like turning point moment for me personally, of like, okay, I don't think a lot of this is actually what uh we think it is or what people typically might say it is, because if it was, then I never would have gotten scratched.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Well, and I think as well, and you know, we'll dive into it here on the on this episode, but this idea of signal mediumship, you know, like is it something different than regular mediumship? No, it's just our way of looking at it. Because I it's funny, we're calling it signal medium.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

It is and it isn't.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

We're calling it signal mediumship, but in a way, I'm looking at everything we do and almost using that same uh application, signal paranormal, right? Because uh the way that I really think about mediumship, the way that we experiment with it and utilize it really goes hand in hand with the way that we experiment with and think about and and and interact with uh spirit, call it that.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

Well, yes, it's just kind of a way of being able to tie mediumship into what our actual like philosophies are on the paranormal in general, like all-encompassing.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

And we didn't just want to have like um a philosophical argument that we could use, which we love that, uh, and we we we definitely have our arsenal there, but we also wanted to do our part in helping to progress the community forward in a positive way. And how do you do that? Well, you you you take what's going on and and not working or not really moving anymore, and you try to progress it uh in a way that is accessible and interesting and clearly thinking about it uh on a deeper level.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Yeah, so that's essentially been, you know, the past couple years, what we've been doing over here is it's just the trial and error, and you know, a lot of this also is going to stem from I mean, my work, but working with other people and trying to help them like hone their abilities and all of these things. It's kind of all of these experiences combined that have led us to this. So with the with the what I said, the yes and no, like it it is it is the same, but it is also different. So I do I did make notes so that way I don't ADD everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

You got notes, which is good. But I do want to say this before we dive dive into the notes, and and for anyone listening, because if if you've been here for a long time at this point, you've heard multiple episodes now, uh, where we talk about mediumship. Some I'm sitting down with Nicole, I'm asking her questions, other times we have other mediums on and and and and they'll say things. Um this is going to be uh you're gonna hear some of that rehashed the way we think about it. So if you've been here a long time, you know a lot of this. But we are trying to take those ideas and make them tangible and make them a thing that we can uh teach, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Uh yeah, basically share with other people in a way that, you know, it doesn't take you having to listen to three hours of us blabbering about something and instead it can be more concise and easier for other people to be able to take and understand and use and implement on their own.

SPEAKER_00 12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Which is, I mean, going back to the trying to progress things, right? That's kind of the point of that. It's like it's one thing if we're just using this and you know, talking all night about our ridiculous ideas versus being able to put it in a way that is able to be uh disseminated to others.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Well, something that that can hopefully also progress the community in a positive way forward. Now, again, just to give a quick little bit of backstory here, uh something that we have talked about now for a few years is for those of you that listen to us and have listened to our other podcast, The Real Ghost of, where we uh have a lot of our investigative stuff uh recordings, you'll know that um uh we have done in the past what you're typically going to see with mediums. Uh Nicole's very good at this, very talented. We'll get her in a place uh that she's never been, and we would make sure to not tell her things and this and that, and and then she would go in and get her read, right? And it was always very compelling, it was very interesting always. But then I always had this thought of like, okay, now what? So what? What are we doing with that? So we then started utilizing those same abilities or techniques for your mediumship, didn't we, into investigative techniques? So I'll give you one example. We sat down for a good while and tried to do EVP sessions um where we would both be thinking things and see if that could show up on an EVP recording. Or we tried to do sessions where I was tapping into you and trying to send you information that you would then get through an Estes session or something. So that was kind of like, all right, how do we take mediumship and make it something that uh is more than the parlor trick? And and I think that's for me what started a lot of this thinking in this journey.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Well, yeah, and also the fact that I I feel like personally our investigations are a lot more efficient now because as soon as I say, like, mm-hmm, I don't know, the energy just kind of left. We're like, all right, well, moving on. And the other side of that is usually I walk around and it's like, uh, this, yeah, we need to sit down and investigate here. And that's allowed us to get, I think, a lot more, um, have a lot more to be popping off much more consistently.

SPEAKER_02 14:08

And that's a really good point that I think that's gonna start us out because let's take the idea of mediumship and the sort of the classic uh viewpoint of it of okay, you're connecting with spirit, let's say that, and you are able to, I don't know, read history or get these images or this communication from something. Well, my question has always been what is the component that makes that work? What is the the the thing we are connecting with? But more importantly, what can we do with it besides just show it we can pick up on history?

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yes, so this kind of uh actually segues very well into the first point that I wrote down because I definitely want to make sure that we are addressing thoroughly, you know, the kind of what is it, but also the ways in which it is different from, you know, traditional mediumship. Um, and one of the biggest ways, in my opinion, is that we are trying to remove the belief system from it. So instead of it being, you know, I feel like it can get it can get tricky, especially in different like mentorship situations or different classes, whatever, you know, the at the end of the day, it is coming down to our beliefs. And if somebody is truly believing, like, hey, I'm connecting with this person who is this person's dead family member, and this is such a beautiful healing experience, and blah, blah, blah, like, you know, that's amazing and that's awesome. But then that also can make some people less open to the idea that, well, perhaps it is something else. And we are of the mind that I think more often than not, and this is coming from me, okay. I think more often than not, we are more so accessing information. And so I think coming at it from this more like network model, if you will, and treating it as we're accessing information versus immediately going to it's spirit or it's this person who uh, you know, has passed on or whatever. I think it all it gives us a lot more freedom and allows us to stop performing, if you will, or be able to color outside of the lines a bit more and be able to instead start having other ideas and start experimenting more and start trying other tests because it kind of removes those those bounds. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 16:28

I think the other thing that can help remove is what I've seen. Um, you know, because you look in our Patreon, you have your your uh mediumship development uh things that you run.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Ask the Oracle.

SPEAKER_02 16:39

Yeah, and one of the things I've noticed across the board is there's a seems to be um there can be a blockage for people uh that they get in their own head and they think they can't do a thing. Well, if we take away this idea, like let's say you're attempting to do mediumship or work with that skill, right? And you're not connecting with, let's say, a dead loved one or something like this. Well, it's easy for that person to now feel like they have failed or they cannot do it. When in reality, there's other little signs that they can see that that will show them they are absolutely connecting and doing it.

SPEAKER_01 17:08

Um but a lot of them will be disregarded.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Correct. And then I think also uh this whole idea is to get people to think beyond surface level. When we say that, uh let's say that you are using these skills, let's say you're connected with something that is uh identifying as a dead relative. I'll use that as an example. Well, we want to get people to the point where no matter how good or relevant the information is coming from that source, that they can ask the question Am I talking to this person or am I talking to something else that is masquerading as this person, or is it somewhere in between?

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Yeah, which that can we come back to that point later, because that's a whole other rabbit hole. Um, but to your point of the, you know, yeah, I've seen this repeatedly. And I mean, I even have done it and still do it myself. Like we're all human, okay? So don't feel bad if you do this. But the second guessing ourselves, or you know, not having confidence about like what we actually got. And so I think one big differentiation for this also is, and yes, we should talk about the triangle theory, uh, but I think it it gives us a way of making this communication feel a lot less random or a lot less like I'm doing something wrong, or I have to do something specific, and it makes it a lot more custom. So a lot of this will be less like my way or the highway, and more like get out your fucking notebook. We're gonna try these 50 different ways, and you're gonna take notes on all of them and figure out what actually is feeling best for you because the reality is every individual, like our physical body is different, my brain is different, my lived experiences are different. All of these things are different, right? And so, of course, it makes sense that the way that everybody is going to connect, it's the signal, tune your signal, right? To be able to tap into this network, it might be different for everybody. Like I'm sure that there will be some things that are kind of across the board can help, right? Like obviously, meditation, being able to get our own shit out of the way, of course, will be helpful. But I think it's getting a bit more granular with things. And so going back to the triangle theory, which we should also discuss and talk about that and how that, like what that is, what we're meaning, in case you haven't heard us talk about that yet. Um, but it gives us a much better system as to like, okay, well, instead of it being this nebulous thing of like, it's not working, I'm not getting anything, and it just being like, well, uh, I you must be doing it wrong, you know, and like shaming and guilting that it's your fault. Instead, we can look at this kind of triangle, right? And try to hone in a bit better as to like, okay, well, which part of this is not working for you? And that gives us a bit more to go off of.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Well, and hopefully it can also help us uh as people to better understand our place and know our place within the framework of uh this hidden reality that we that we talk about, right? And the way that we can connect with it and uh the our closeness to it. I think what's happened with mediumship um in the modern times is it has gotten to this interesting point where someone says, I'm a medium, right? I connect with my guides, I connect with spirit, this and that. And as opposed to saying something like, I have uh worked on this mediumship muscle that we all have, um, so I'm a little bit more adept at doing it, but you can do it just as well as I can.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

Uh that's one thing we hope to get rid of with signal mediumship. Why it it's funny because I'm as I'm listening to us, I can almost hear people asking themselves, what's the big deal? You're basically just saying the same thing that a lot of people are saying about mediumship that are out there. Well, this encompasses this idea of changing that name for us to signal mediumship, goes back to the conversation that we've had, well, for for over a year now of changing the language of the paranormal, right? It started with that word ghost, and how do we get past uh people looking at what we do as silly and something that's been easily proven not true? Well, we change the language. We stop using words that um, for lack of a better term, have a meaning that that really has no place in what we're actually doing. So the same thing with this, this, this mediumship, it's gotten to this point where I've seen the courses out there in the new age sort of movement. I've seen the things that are being taught and talked about, I've seen the way they're utilizing these things. And it has become like a mean girls club deal. Like, I know what I'm doing, I'm a medium. If you want to learn this, you've got to learn from me.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

And you, you know, you're Yeah, well, it's you know, it's like any other industry. You have people that want to be a guru and they know everything and it's their way or the highway, and you know, keep paying however much per month to learn from them because they're they're the only one that has the answers. And I also just want to specifically note yes, multiple times we have had people literally say those words be like, oh, well, I'm the only one that can blah, blah, blah. Bitch, I will punch you in the fucking face right now. Okay, there you go. You get you get a Nicole pop off. I'm like, you are so fucking stupid. I want to give you a swirly. How about them, Apples? A swirly. Yes, I'm bringing it back, okay? Because there's it's in this fucking realm of like mediumship, paranormal, whatever. Nobody actually fucking knows, okay? You don't know. You are not the only one who can blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 22:19

I think beyond that, uh, what we need to address, and something that I hope the idea of signal mediumship or signal paranormal, whatever, or just what we do moving forward helps with is this idea of things like mediumship or paranormal investigating, this and that. You see this all the time. It has become or gotten very egotistical. So the I'm a medium, I have abilities, I do this, I do that. And then even putting a medium in a position to where they're going in to read a location. Let's be honest with each other. The only goal of that is to feed that ego of like, look, you got hits. And even though the people that are looking at that content can in no way verify that that this person didn't know this information ahead of time, it doesn't lead any kind of credibility to even the investigation at all. Here's what I mean. Let's say you've got a haunted house going on, you've got stuff, something going on, paranormal activity. Well, somebody goes in and this invisible entity says, Oh, yeah, my name's Bob. I lived here before and I'm just here because I died here. Well, okay, if we stop there and we take that uh at face value, um maybe we cause more trouble than we help because we've no longer uh looked further and we've said, Oh, this is just this guy, Bob, who died here. And look, we have verified this guy died here, but could it be that something knows that and is masquerading as that? And that if we don't know better can be a negative for us.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Well, it's just a not taking things at surface level. But I do also want to say, because I have a different opinion than you, uh yes, I do think it is still interesting when a medium who has no idea about the location goes in and is able to say relevant, valid information. I also I also view that as a part of the investigation. Cause for me specifically, I'm like, when you have that, that lines up with stuff that you received during the investigation. That lines up with the history, that makes it a lot more compelling to me. And I feel like uh just gives a lot more credibility to like, oh, this is going on. But also, yes, you can still look at things deeper, but the you know, trying to identify what the fuck we're even talking about is a whole different rabbit thing.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

That's a that's a really good uh point for sure, because it is interesting when you see it happen. I mean, we recently, the other night, we had a gathering and one of our Patreon members came in and did something very cool, medium-wise, and it was very interesting. I I I like seeing that. But what I mean when I say this is while it may be interesting to us, the the history of a place, even if it's correct what the medium gets, no way can we actually say, okay, this is what we would call a historical haunting. Because if I'm some invisible entity that's getting my rocks off by doing this haunting, I get people coming in saying, Oh, are you the person that died here? And I give them real relevant information. The medium has now taken that and and and presented that and it's real. Well, now the I'm undercover of my disguise.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Okay, well, you're go you're going down a whole other rabbit hole here. That's a whole other episode, is like masquerading spirits. And I understand we're coming off the, I think the last episode was the Watsika one, whatever. But I think it's also, you know, just to say like it doesn't necessarily need to come from some dead person. Like it also might be like we're talking about the network. Like maybe you're simply tapping into the energy or like the stored information, right? It's like Apple iCloud, everything uploads to the cloud. Like maybe you're just pulling the information from that. And we'll get it. So, all of that to say, I think the traditional mediumship way is just a bit reductive in saying, like, oh, we connect with dead people versus okay, well, what if you're connecting to like collective consciousness or like other fucking dimensions or realities?

SPEAKER_02 25:48

I think for me, the idea of even adding the word signal to mediumship, making it signal mediumship, to me and my viewpoint is taking that idea and and not just making it about, oh, uh we might be connecting with something that we don't know what it is, or we don't know everything or have all the answers. No, I want the the whole, not only just the philosophy, but the way that it's even approached and experimented with to be wildly different based off of that thinking on on my end of the way that I'm um uh the the the way I'm using the language to talk about it. A great example of mediumship is how many years have there been a lot of studies trying to replicate certain things? There's some interesting studies out there, but it seemingly has not progressed. In my opinion, that's because it's a language barrier, it's a language problem. We're looking at it in a certain way and we're trying things and experiments based off of old definitions that clearly don't work.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Hence changing uh the established connotations of mediumship and adding signal to it so that way we can kind of establish our own new uh weird connotations.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

But basically, when people come in and learn mediumship at the pairhouse, when we uh send them out into the world, we um we want you to be different. We want you to think about it differently, want you to uh approach it differently.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

Well, just think about things more deeply and have a more open mind as to what it actually could be versus a very narrow view and a very narrow framework, um, which I think that brings us to let's talk about the triangle theory, because that is kind of a basic tenet for you and I at least. Um, and obviously this is based on our own unique like ways of thinking, our experiences, the things that we've gone through, but it kind of encompasses, I think, like our uh gives a pretty good picture as to our view for like the paranormal, but all of this as well. So will you explain the triangle theory to people?

SPEAKER_02 27:39

Yeah, I mean it is essentially something that's been embedded in in history and culture uh for forever, uh, which is basically mind, body, spirit, right? Um, triangle theory being this idea that there's three components to this. So if you're not using a device, you're just using yourself, let's say that you're the medium. Mind and body. Those two things have to be working in some form or fashion together to even let this happen, okay? Mind and body, and then spirit. So if you have a triangle, let's call spirit. That's the word I'm giving it right now, but let's call it source or let's call it information. It's at the top, beaming down information.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

The phenomena, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

Yeah. Down here on the left and right, or right and left, whatever you want, is mind and body, which are two very different things. Okay. Both of them require their own exercise, their own nutrition, their own health. Um, so mind and body, there's something there that is able to allow us to connect to that spirit, to source, to that information, to the phenomena uh from our mind and body. When I first talked about the triangle theory, it was the person, so the mind and body, the device that you're using, called a radio, and then source or the phenomenon. This is the exact same thing. It's literally mind, body, spirit, something that's been talked about in culture since the beginning of time.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

You, the technology, the phenomenon. And clarifying that the technology in this case, like be the body is yes. So basically it's your signal. You, the mind, which is essentially what all of this is helping you kind of tune up.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Well, because this is a good point to bring up. For those of you that have not read the uh the work of Diana Pasulka yet, shame on you, you should. But in her first book, American Cosmic, she is running around with this guy that she calls in the book Tyler. Um he has all these protocols, doesn't he, for connecting with these non-human intelligences. One of them is no uh coffee, no uh caffeine at all, or he will do fasting sometimes, whatever, or just only drink water in the morning. Um that's interesting to me because that shows, much like a car, if it's being taken care of, right, the body, a well-oiled machine, it can have, for whatever reason, the ability for our mind and it to connect and then tap into this source. So that it is to me the mind-body aspect of it, I think is uh super interesting. And with the triangle theory, it is those three components mind, body, spirit, whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

Yes, and so the the protocol stuff I just want to touch on to because that is, I think, another differentiator here.

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SPEAKER_01 31:32

Is sure most traditional mediumship training, they'll say like meditate. Um, sometimes. I mean, and you'll kind of see this when you're in the world, though I personally have never had anybody that was like, you need to be vegan, you know, but they'll talk about like diet stuff and things like that. But this is where it gets interesting, and this is where it's I'm kind of talking about like the expansiveness of this, right? I feel like traditional training can be a bit reductive as to what is actually possible versus this is kind of a bit more about like how can we expand this. And so one of those things does include looking at protocols like this, because this is something that we've seen very across the board. Even like Jack Parsons had this, the guy who like father of rocketry, like all of these very successful people, and they're essentially having downloads, whether or not they they do or do not call it that. They're receiving downloads, but all of these people, as well as when you look at people like in the mediumship space or whatever, people who are just very successful, very good at what they do, a lot of them will have these protocols. And again, whether or not they call it that, but they have these protocols. And so looking at the intersection of all of those as well, because it's more information, right, that we can use to better hone this signal, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 32:43

Yeah, well, I you mentioned that the a lot of the mediumship development things, that their protocols are like uh meditating meditating, things like that. But what's interesting to me is if you go back to the very first episode ever of Parapeculiar, it was with a fellow called Barry Fitzgerald. And I don't remember if he said this on the recorded part of the conversation or not, but he definitely said this to me uh either on the recording or in passing one of the two. We were talking about how I will collect and engage with these haunted items, and he said, you know, where these things will get you is when you've got bad nutrition. I said, What do you mean? He goes, time and time again we see this that people that the if they're putting bad stuff into their bodies, bad things come through. Well, that's highly interesting to me because like a car, you know, if you put bad shit in it, don't take care of it, that it is not working properly and it is not optimal and it doesn't, it'll break, right? It'll break. If you let bad gas get in there, it will break the car. So it's interesting to me that I I don't see I I have not yet seen a mediumship development course. I'm sure they exist, but I've not seen it, where it actually puts something like when I say protocols, I mean like, yeah, talk about nutrition, physical nutrition, talk about water, sleep, uh uh vitamins, talk about food, talk about sleep, talk about all of these things. Because here's the deal no one is saying that the obvious, which I think is the obvious, which is okay, we are interacting with this wonderfully profound phenomenon that we can't have the ability to understand as of now. It makes sense that if we are not a well-oiled machine taking care of, taking care of the mind, the body, the spirit, other things can come through that maybe we don't want.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Well, yeah, and on that note, you know, kind of tangentially related is, and I I feel like we might have forgotten to say this when we did the Watsika episode. Like, okay, let's look at that. So when we were in the basement and we're first starting to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

So you talk about the episode that was just before Fear and Loathing and Wat Seeka.

SPEAKER_01 34:37

The fear and loathing and Watsika.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

If you haven't listened to it yet, go listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Um, so in that specific setting, you know, it's okay. Well, preface to saying this is going off of what you're saying, yes, it's taking these things that are kind of like some things that you'll hear in passing, but actually looking at it much deeper. Okay. So then we get into the tandem tangentially related, which is yes, that basement and Watsiko, we're using those the frequency tone devices, right? And so that, you know, oftentimes another thing that we'll hear is like, oh, low vibration versus high vibration, which is very vague. And like, what does this even mean? But we hear the the stories, right? Oh, low vibration attracts like low, low vibrational, like more negative beings, entities, whatever. Okay, well, guess what? I had all of those frequencies set to when we were in that basement. I turned off all of the upper ones and it was only low frequencies. And that was the first time we've ever done that.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

Before you go into that, are we are we saying that when you say low frequencies versus high frequencies, you're talking about decibel level versus the hertz frequency. Okay. So you're saying that lower vibrations in that regard, when people when you say that, are you are you not meaning like a negative being?

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Uh I am mean because that's what we have, that's what happened. That was the direct experience we happen or that happened to us. But all I'm go where I'm going with that is all of this to say that plus like you're saying the nutrition, whatever, we hear these things, but nobody actually looks into them. And so these are the things that I think will differentiate with signal mediumship is sure, we're having these direct experiences, but then also what about? Like, has anybody done experimentation in these areas or research or the direct experiences? Like, what about these things? Because oftentimes, and this is yes, me relating it to business stuff, because that's kind of you know, day job, whatever, but the with marketing, it's like it doesn't matter what stage you're at in business, like all of those basic, the foundational things are the things that people come back to time and time again, and that's how you get better. Like the same stuff that you had to reanalyze and redo to get to like six figures. You have to do again for multi-six and multi-mole, you know, it's like the same shit, but I think people neglect it a lot because it's like too easy almost.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

No, I think a lot of times a lot of that stuff gets neglected because it's it's much easier to tell a person, um, just keep meditating, you're gonna become a medium, versus hey, there's gonna have to be some accountability in here. Like, are you just eating pizza and cokes all day long? Like your signal is is a little jacked up. Or, you know, um, just like a car, if I take it into the mechanic and he's he says, Did you change your oil? Did you do all these things? And if I say no, he's gonna be like, Well, now you got trouble.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Right. It removes the, I think, accountability that the nebulousness of things, right? Because it's very easy. And this is also something I yes, this is business, but a lot of business coaches do this, right? They're like, Oh, you're stuck, right? And then they're blaming it on the person, but not giving actual tangible ways to fix it. That happens so much here, too, right? Like, oh, you're stuck, you're blocked, right? Oh, you just need to meditate more. That's not an actual fix.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

So when you're taking stuff like the triangle, fix from someone who doesn't have an actual idea of what they're talking about, they're just regurgitating a bunch of shit.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

Correct. They don't have actual systems in place. And so that's kind of the the, I guess, foundation with this is trying to add these systems and these different structures into it so that way if something is not working, okay, cool. Triangle theory, let's get into that and try to identify which piece of this is not actually optimized or which piece of this is giving you trouble. And then you can get into it from there, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:12

It's just like the more importantly, what does it mean that that those components can even do that together if your mind and body uh or and tan you know are are are working together and and they can connect with this invisible thing. Why? What is that? That's unbelievable, you know. Um it is my hope that uh people that come to us moving forward to learn anything that we do, okay? So right now we're talking about mediumship, so we'll stick with that. Um, is that it's not one of these things where you know a year, two years later, you're like, oh, I'm still learning, I'm in uh uh this course. So that no. Our whole thing is we experiment with this and we learn through experiences. So signal mediumship, a big part of that, and people kind of joining up to learn with us, not from us, is that uh exactly it's experimenting with us as we learn. Um, and diving in and trying to understand, I think that's super interesting. I think that's another kind of difference um in in some of the old sort of ways that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 39:11

Well, yeah, it's going back to what we were talking about, like the protocol based, right? Like, sure, there can be some things that might be a bit more across the board, seem to give positive results, right? Like, say drinking enough water, right? Or like getting enough sleep. Because listen, if your body isn't functioning like optimally, how do you expect to be able to even do medium ships?

SPEAKER_02 39:34

This is where it gets very interesting, and this is where the signal theory comes in. I'm actually at the point where I don't even want to call it signal mediumship or signal paranormal. I want to just call it signal theory because when we say that, there's a lot of merit there. But then my mind just went to because you mentioned Jack Parsons earlier. Now he was running around doing a bunch of Aleister Crowley type stuff. Alistair Crowley was big on experimenting with sleep deprivation, um, psychedelic drugs, uh, amphetamine style drugs. So Jack Parsons to come up with rocketry to get these downloads was taking lots of psychedelics, going out in the desert with guys like L. Ron Hubbard, right? The Scientologist, doing Scientology stuff. Uh, and if you think about being on all these drugs, being out in the desert, maybe that's not really like the best way to take care of your body. But if that was the protocol, call it protocol for him that worked, that is even more that makes all this even more interesting.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Right. It's very individualized. And so I think that kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier, that it's less like my way or the highway, or less like we're the fucking gurus, and more as you were saying, let's learn together. Because I do think a lot of this is more like, again, sure, there's kind of those baseline things, like we need our bodies to function, right? But also, as you said, and as we kind of mentioned earlier, like my body physically is different than yours, my brain is different than yours, you know, which I think that also gets into like teaching the human filter of all of this, which is a whole nother kind of branch of like how and why we are actually perceiving things differently, because traditional mediumship doesn't really address this, right? They'll just say, Oh, different mediums have different strengths, we all have different strengths and weaknesses, and everybody has different abilities. So, you know, if Nicole is better at Claire audience and it makes sense that she might hear something more versus, you know, uh, you might blah, blah, blah, or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

But I almost want to get rid of all those words too, all the Claire's, because it's separating things that, in my opinion, and through my experience and the the look into this research that I've looked at, they are all the same thing. Like, just because you maybe hear might be, maybe hear it audibly versus seeing it visually, there is no difference. You are receiving information from something and you are uh uh processing it in whatever way, audibly, visually, uh mentally, whatever. But I see no real difference besides I mean it's just different senses.

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Like I still am gonna be, I mean, until maybe this will change in the future when we know more information, but I can say for my personal experiences, I do think it's beneficial to train all of the senses so that way you can receive things in any manner.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

And I think what I'm saying there just to clarify is like, you know, you if if you're getting it um because you you'll see things sort of visual mentally all yeah, I mean all of the ways.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Typically for me, it's either seeing or hearing.

SPEAKER_02 42:11

Yeah, so to me, there'd be no difference between the seeing it in your mind's eye versus um hearing it or even seeing it uh physically uh with with your eyeballs. Um because at the end of the day, it is still information coming through from some kind of source um utilizing your body and mindslash spirit to do so.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Sure, I will say though, and this is kind of a tangent at this point, so note it down for later because maybe this is another rabbit hole for you and I to go down. Um I personally receive the most accurate information from hearing it because seeing like I I can't see an image of you that is then like conveying a bunch of accurate information to me. Right. Well, that's the way your mind, I guess, works, right? Is the better way to do it?

SPEAKER_02 42:56

The most important thing I think that that I want to bring up, um that that I've always really enjoyed about you and the way that we think about this is you know, as as two people that have owned a physical location haunted museum, the amount of times that I would see people come in, whether it was paranormal teams or someone on their own, that was a quote medium, and it was always the same thing. I'm a medium, it's all about me. This and the I pick up on this, I pick up on that. I've never once heard you refer to yourself in that regard. We've never gone into a place and you're like, hi, I'm Nicole, I'm the medium. Like, no, we'll say, Yeah, we're gonna use her abilities, whatever, but you never take it to that point of like you you you. Um, I find that interesting, and I think, in my opinion, there is something there uh that really applies to signal mediumship and why it is a good sound theory.

SPEAKER_01 43:42

Well, yeah, and I mean, even when we got introduced, like somebody else introduced me to you as a medium.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

Yeah, I was a dick, wasn't I?

SPEAKER_01 43:50

I don't typically um yeah, you put me through the ringer, you gave me all of the tests, I got an A plus. Um, but uh yeah, I think to your point of Saying that I mean the reality is, and this is where it gets into ego base, okay. And this is also why I am very grateful actually that I did my shamanic training simultaneously to my mediumship training, because a lot of the shamanic training is like ego death and blah blah blah, which you know people may or may not talk about in the mediumship world depending on who you're working with, but actually doing it is a whole different thing. And one of the things that in the shamanic training they very much emphasize is I'm not doing anything, none of this has anything to do with me.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Can't conjure a thing for myself.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

For any listeners that know that line, let us know. And we'll send you some free shit.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Yeah, tell us what movie that's from.

SPEAKER_02 44:41

Um That sounded good though, right?

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah, that was good. Um and also it's Lawrence.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

Oh, really? Yes. What did I say? Larry. Larry? Same kind of deal. Larry, Lawrence.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

Lawrence. But anyway, uh, okay. Um, oh my god, that just derailed me. Oh yeah, it's not me. I'm not doing anything. And with you know, whatever modality you're working with, because actually Rachel and I were just talking about this recently, because she just um shout out to Rachel, finish her Reiki Master training. Did she really? Um, yeah, and she did uh well, anyway. So yeah, we were just talking about this, and you know, whatever modality you're working with, it seems to be pretty ubiquitous. It's just, you know, different people calling the same thing, kind of different things, to be honest. But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is like, dude, I'm not doing shit. And that's the whole point of meditation. It's like I'm trying to get my own shit out of the way. The noise, if you will, the static. I'm trying to get all of that out of the way so that way when I am connected to the signal, when I am receiving information, I'm able to receive it clearly and have to interpret as little as possible, which I think does go back to the like hearing versus seeing, because if I'm directly hearing something, I'm not interpreting that at all. It is being said to me literally. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:53

So what do you mean? You're saying if you're hearing something literally in the sense that if I were in the same room, I could hear it too?

SPEAKER_01 45:59

No, it's in my head.

SPEAKER_02 46:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 46:01

Because I'm insane. Yeah. But uh, yes, if I'm hearing something in my head, like if I'm hearing a voice that's saying, like, okay, for example, we're doing the br the BRV one asleep, yeah. Um, fucking around with the first iteration of that, and I was writing the notes of like the downloads that I got, like, I heard those in my head. It was not me just being shown like, oh, hook this up to the like if I'm seeing images of that, I'm probably not gonna know what the fuck it's showing me anyway.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Well, that's actually interesting you brought that up because do you think that a lot of people in today's um mediumship communities would consider that mediumship? Which was we've been working on a new device. Uh, as you mentioned, it was the BRV one. Um, probably not, because you got these downloads, and you were like, hey, I just felt compelled to write these hertz and frequencies down and trying these with this. We we would call that a download, much in the way that Jack Parsons was getting downloads uh for how to create rockets. So would you consider that, or would people these days do you think consider that mediumship, uh, which I very much do, or would it be considered something else?

SPEAKER_01 47:00

Well, I mean, here's the thing it's everybody's gonna say something different. You could put 10 mediums in a room and ask them all what mediumship is, and they're probably all gonna say something different. But the vast majority, they consider uh you having communication with a spirit, aka a deceased person. Okay, that is mediumship. So something like that they would just call like a download.

SPEAKER_02 47:20

Okay, but it it but typically then that question would it would stop at that point and it wouldn't say, Oh, is the download the same thing as when I think I'm talking to a dead person? Is that also a download?

SPEAKER_01 47:31

So for right? Yeah, and so that I guess perhaps is another way that this is differentiated because to us that would all be mediumship. So going back to the like it is more accessing information is signal mediumship, I would say.

SPEAKER_02 47:46

Yeah, definitely, definitely. And for anyone, and you've got this list you're looking at, but for anyone that's listening, and if right now they're thinking, okay, get to the point.

SPEAKER_01 47:54

All of this is the point.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

Yeah, so because it seems like we're not this isn't like some new groundbreaking thing that we're saying. We're just saying we're changing the name and we're thinking about it deeper.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

I mean, maybe not to you, but if there was, I can guarantee you, if I were to go pluck somebody, like even like me, if I were to go somebody, if I were to go pluck me out of my mediumship development circle, you know, when I was like two weeks into this journey and pop me, you know, right here listening to this conversation, it would be groundbreaking. Because when you are, you know, granted, I I think all of our listeners, they're pro they're probably a bit more weird. Uh, they're on the they're higher up on the spectrum of weird as we are. Uh that's why they're here. But yeah, any of y'all listening, if you have friends who are like just in the mediumship world or in the paranormal ship world, they don't listen to our shit right now, like, yeah, I would be really curious to know what the feedback would be from outside sources, people who've never been exposed to this, these ideas before, because some of them, like, yeah, traditional mediumship. Have I ever heard anybody refer to any sort of scientific study in any mediumship, anything that I've ever done? Fuck no.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Well, I mean, no, because at that point you've got to be able to go past the ego, go past the idea that you are a medium and go past the idea that uh everything that you're receiving is right and everything that tells you what it is is not lying or that it's right. I mean, I I think that's that's all very different. I yeah, and I guess you're right. It for me, it is it it's um it's hard to see uh what our point even is right now because for the last couple of years, we've really been developing this this theory and idea, and it's how we approach it.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Well, yeah, I mean, we're essentially just going through kind of the bullet points, if you will, of like these are the differentiating factors, you know, and so to something you just said of like, you know, just blindly kind of accepting that, oh, this message is from my spirit guides. Uh perfect segue into the next bullet point here, which is um prioritizing seeking actual receipts and getting validation for things, right? Versus just blindly accepting this is a message from my guide.

SPEAKER_02 49:55

Well, let's be very, very apparent as well. So when we say validating receipts, like does that mean that if you get information and that information is wrong, that that is not a receipt? I don't believe so. What do we mean by validating receipts? It doesn't mean, oh, look at all my correct information I got, but validating receipts is like showing or knowing when you uh have interacted with this what it meant, what it said, um, just to be able to show the receipt that the phenomena itself is happening or has happened, versus like, because here's the deal you could get something from what people call a trickster, right? That's like bad information.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

And then some people have experience quite a lot.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

And some people might look at that and be like, oh well, that's not mediumship. You got the wrong information, you didn't get a hit. So now in their eyes, you're not a medium, but in reality, it's the same component that gave you that information as someone who maybe would have got the right information. Um, I hope that I'm articulating that correctly.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Uh I'm very bad at articulation. Maybe, yeah, concisely, yes. Um, it's essentially just like validating and verifying the information that you're receiving versus just blindly accepting it because I know here's another thing that will get me fucking going is the mediums that say there's nothing bad out there. Oh, okay. There's you don't need to do protections, you don't need to learn any of these. There's nothing, there's nothing negative.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

Like I've been to one of these people that that says, you know, you don't need to worry about protection, and I don't in a lot of ways, because I don't uh to me, a lot of it will be kind of culturally appropriating. If it doesn't line up with me, then I don't use it. However, uh, anyone that tells you, yeah, that it's like, oh, this is all dude, they are trying to sell you things and that's it. Period, hands down. I don't give a fuck who they are. Like that they're trying to sell you things.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

So, and I would say this to their faces, I think they're just stupid. I'm like, I'm so sorry. Well, it's ego, isn't it? For whatever like rock that you have been living under your entire life. But all that tells me is you have never actually been out there experiencing things. You've probably sat up, set, set up your little table at the craft fair and said, Oh, I'll talk to your, you know, past loved one. But like you're not doing anything.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

They have been experiencing things, and the thing is, I think they're so weak-minded enough oftentimes that whatever it is they're interacting with has got them at this level of like, you don't need to don't ask questions.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

They're just getting bamboos.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

They're getting munchhousened by proxy domos, right? Like, don't ask questions. You're sick, don't worry about it. Take these pills, I love you so much. Like, it's it's um, it's it's an it's it's a plainted ego, plainted ego because the ego says, I don't want my information to be wrong. The ego says, I don't want uh to think that there's something that could be telling me things that that are wrong or that I'm not uh 100% in control of. That's ego, baby. And I think getting rid of that opens this world up in a in a way that uh has not really been tapped into yet because this is so uh ego-driven at this point.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

So on this note, just to provide some tangible examples for people, can you please share uh the you know kind of condensed version of the the siren song of hungry souls or whatever, like the story about that guy, but also I mean, we personally have experienced various times where we've had these kind of trickster-like entities that have given us information. We received the information, both correct and wrong, and uh, some of it was wrong and very intentionally, you know, trying to lead us to like uh I don't know, basically on just a wild goose chase. They're bellwitching us, they be bellwitching us, they be bell-witching us.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Yeah, I can talk a little bit about the book. I think if if you're a listener and you and you haven't uh heard that yet, we talk about it in the Watsika episode, and I think uh even one prior, but it is the Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts. It was a book, and I think everyone in the paranormal, it's one of those books that should be in everyone's uh paralibrary. You know, there are certain books and certain theories and things that I think if you're into this, yeah, it's something you should at least look at. Um I won't go too much on to it because I've done it on other episodes. Go Google the book, The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 53:49

That's too long, didn't read.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

Yep. And it's a journalist who was looking into channelers. He spent five years, I believe it is, uh, working with these different channelers and um uh basically talking to these guides that were coming through. Long story short, it turns out these guides were, in his apparent uh in his mind, very real entities coming through, but giving him and others around him information that was a negative on their life if they followed it to a T. When he called these entities out, they became very mad and they did not leave him alone until one day he throws himself off of a cliff and dies. So I I think um it's it's an interesting book to read. I I don't ever want to be the type of person that's like uh uh firing brimstone or being alarmist by any means.

SPEAKER_01 54:32

Yeah, we do not want to be paranormal, scared straight, but we also want you to be very aware of like reality.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

First, it's Ouija boards. You sit down, you play with your little Ouija board, and all of a sudden, next thing you know, you're reading books on the occult. You're reading books on how to be a witch, you're watching movies about how to be a witch, and then you know what? Satan's got you and he fucks you in the ass. Like that's literally paranormal scared straight.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Yeah, we're not we're not trying to do that, but also because I mean, and we had this conversation, you know, previously of like how do we convey these things without instilling fear in people? Because I know that that is a big thing, and like for me, I've experienced that a lot with people that are getting into like tapping into their abilities and whatever.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

How do you teach someone how to drive a car without instilling some level of fear? You have to be defensive driver. You have to drive it.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

It depends on what age you are. When I was 16, I was good to go.

SPEAKER_02 55:22

Yeah, but they they teach you things that can happen. I mean, used to be they would show you these wild videotapes in high school of car wrecks and no, I guess that's true.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

I think maybe a healthy, healthy amount of or a certain amount of fear can be healthy.

SPEAKER_02 55:35

Yeah, well, and it's done so artfully in a way that when every time that you're driving a car, you are not sitting there fucking fearful uh and shaking. Because if you were, you'd probably have a wreck. You have to be focused on what you're doing, but you also have to know that you have to respect this thing you're doing so much because it could eat you the fuck alive if something goes wrong.

SPEAKER_01 55:54

Yeah, I think that the having the uh respect for it, I think is a a key word there. Not to say that, you know, some of these people doing mediumship stuff, whatever. Like I'm sure that they they feel very much like respect for it, whatever. But I think having respect for a thing, but also knowing the reality of thing and like just the reality is like the experiences and the things that we have done. And I am saying this as a medium, um, it is just significantly more than what a lot of, you know, mediums would do. Like the vast majority of them are not going to the types of places that we are, they are not putting themselves in places that actively have, you know, demonic activity, and they're not collecting fucking haunted items and doing all like they're just not.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

What then will someone get that's different uh by going and running around with us and uh learning about and uh applying signal mediumship versus you know, every other garden variety sort of mediumship boot camp?

SPEAKER_01 56:54

Well, most likely an attachment.

SPEAKER_02 56:56

Oh yeah, it comes with a former attachment.

SPEAKER_01 56:59

They're gonna get the get fucked package.

SPEAKER_02 57:01

That's how you know, you know, uh when when when there's something there that you cannot shake anymore. You cannot get rid of it. But it moves in with you.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

No, I'm j I'm just kidding. But um, I think well, I mean, it depends on the person, you know, if that's what you want, then you can probably get it, that's for sure. But I think I think it's just a you know, kind of going back to the very beginning of the conversation with like traditional mediumship kind of having bounds around it versus this being more like let's color outside of the lines, and traditional mediumship being more like this is a very like defined belief system, of course, based on whoever it is that you are learning from at that time, um, versus this being more like, hey, this is actually more like an experimental laboratory type deal.

SPEAKER_02 57:48

The super kinky version of mediumship is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

I I guess, yeah, it's no longer vanilla. We're getting in there, we're getting getting hands on, we're trying different things, and we are finding what works for you. Yep. And we will not yuck your yum. Yuck your yum.

SPEAKER_02 58:04

So is that something that that again when people ask what is the whole point of this? Because I'm sure it's leading to a point where we're gonna say, hey, come to our Patreon and learn it from us. And I'm sure we are, but what is going to be different? Why would someone want to do that with us? Um I mean, there's a lot of reasons to do that with us, but over everyone else, but why why why would they want to if they're listening now?

SPEAKER_01 58:21

I mean, I feel like all of the bullet points that we just listed, like if any of those things resonate with you, uh, then this is your place. If you are somebody that you are you have questions about things and you don't want to feel ashamed or guilted for asking somebody about them, because that is something I've directly heard from multiple people, is feeling yes, feeling like they can't even like go to uh this person or this group or this community and bring these questions because again, it goes back to the belief system thing, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:51

Well, we've seen that directly, haven't we? There will be a lot of shaming and give uh we we we do uh events where we speak and we've seen it where if we ask a question that's you know out there or we say something that is like against what a lot of these people say, we get shame. People get very upset about it.

SPEAKER_01 59:09

And that is because it is looked at, I think, in uh the vast majority of these as more of a belief system versus like, hey, we are all in this together and nobody has the answers, like we are not some fucking gurus.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

We don't have the answers, but we have a lot of thoughts and we have a lot of crazy experiments that we like to do, and everyone that comes and hangs out with us, we bring y'all along with us. So while we will sit there and talk about our theories and our ideas and this and that, you're kind of hanging out with us, if that makes sense. And yeah, we do forming with us.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

I mean we do not want to be put on a pedestal. Like, do not ever put me on a fucking pedestal.

SPEAKER_02 59:44

Definitely put me on a pedestal. Uh but but but but no that's oh that sounds like ego. And that is a joke, and that is the thing. Like, we we anyone that that uh is a member of our Patreon or uh comes to our events or anything, they can tell you if they've been with us for a year or more, that um there's been loads of videos or theory we've done that is gonna be directly different than what we are saying now. And and that is because we are not afraid to to be wrong. We are not afraid to say, oh fuck, we didn't have that on the right mark.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

The thinking evolves as it should. And I think that's another big uh, you know, for anyone, no matter what industry you're in, because I think it's applicable to all of them, even outside of paranormal. Like anybody who sticks to the same story time and time again and is resistant to accepting new information or new ideas or feedback or anything's advocate.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:38

That's a red flag for those folks to play devil's advocate. If unless it's like math. Well, if you are constantly getting information from whatever the source is that you're getting it from, and if it is right, right, um it can be very hard to then ask questions. It can be very difficult to get rid of the ego and to go past that and to and to try to think deeper about this or experiment deeply because if you have something that's wanting to keep you contained and it's like you're doing everything right, don't don't worry about this, don't rock the boat.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

Correct. Then then that can be that's grooming you.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:08

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why when you say that, but uh it it it can be very difficult at that point, can't it, to to look at new ideas. And we see this in not just the paranormal community, but my god, like my god, the skeptic community, right? Like uh so that can be tricky to navigate, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

Well it's just the blind belief. It's just basically we want for all of you to think deeply and to exercise our brains, because the reality is more brains are better than you know, just my stupid one or Damien's, like more brains are better together, and the vast majority of people, especially in a um educational position or even somebody who just somebody who has a platform. Um, most people do not like that. They want it to be this is what I said, and this is how it should be. And sure, certainly Damien and I both individually have our opinions on things, but that's why I mean, at least for me, I try to always be mindful of presenting things as like, oh, well, in my experience, or for me personally, right? Because I also want to acknowledge that just because that's my experience, like you might connect in a different way that works better for you, right? And that is valid.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:21

But what's interesting is when you find two people or um various people in a group that that that are experiencing things different in their own way, like you say, but then finding the intersection there and finding what is similar, that is when things get very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:38

This basically, here I can sum this all up, okay? Basically, this is our fuck you to that math teacher in elementary school who said, Here's your test and here's the question and show your work. And even if you got the answer right, if the work wasn't done in the exact manner that they wanted it, you still got it marked wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:58

I think what we're doing here is the difference is you can go to the university where you've got some stuffy dude who is sitting up there uh talking at you, or you can go to the trade school where you get your hands dirty and you go under the hood and you learn how to do the trade.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

I don't know. I think that's subjective because as someone who spent way too many times in universities, I think that this is way more of like this is a higher level education. That's what I mean though, but like diving in and doing it because the most professors that I ever had would always say, like they would be the ones that were willing to admit, like, oh, you know what? I actually don't know. But let's get in there and find it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

There's that old adage of like those who teach can't do, or those that can't do teach. And I think that's interesting because yes, like if you come and hate that. Well, no, I I don't hate it because I'll tell you, like, it is funny, most uh professors or teachers are people that at some point wanted to be in that field doing this thing, and then their way of staying in it was by then teaching. And that's not all cases, but then you see this as well is like those are the bad teachers, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:56

FYI, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:57

Uh, and I think uh when we say that, those who can't do teach. Well, when you come to the parenthouse here and let's say you want to learn mediumship or you want to get into paranormal investigating, honestly, with the way that we do everything, we don't teach you, you just join the adventure. Like, so we are doing, and we're just inviting you to do as well. Come do us.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

Oh, geez, now we're gonna get a bunch of fucking mm DMs with pineapple emojis. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:25

Pineapple emojis.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:27

Yeah, that's the fucking like symbol for swingers or whatever. Is it really?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:31

Yeah, pineapples?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

That's why they banned it in the village. That's why they have loofahs now.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:35

We've not talked about the loofah thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

If anybody's interested, just Google the villages, Orlando loofahs.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:43

A pineapple though.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:44

Yeah, you didn't know that? No. I mean, I guess maybe I know because Florida and a lot of people have pineapples and it got real unsavory real quick.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

I see.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:55

I see.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:55

Some some cruise lines even banned it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:58

The pineapple?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:59

Yeah. Because you know, people go and they decorate their doors and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:02

But I w I wonder what it is about the pineapple that says, like, hey, I'm I'm down to fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:07

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:08

Yeah. Now I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

I think I think specifically it's an upside down pineapple. I'm not sure. I would have to look it up, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:16

So what is happening? You know the green like leaves that are on there that are really pokey and they hurt really bad. Where are they going if it's upside down? Are they being Nicole, are they being inserted?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:25

I think it depends on that person's behavior for the day. You know?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:29

If they were bad, they you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:32

Would I have a bad pineapple? Oh yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:34

Absolutely. Yes. Shit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:36

Uh that derailed real quick. Um, but yeah, do your uh at this point, uh tell the people, like, why did we even do this episode for them?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Well, I mean, why we did this episode is just to talk about it and present different ideas and present different ways of thinking that hopefully, you know, will allow people to form their own questions and things. But also, if you want to go further down the rabbit hole. With us on this. We are going to be doing a single mediumship intensive on February 21st. It is a Saturday. Hold on, let me see.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:09

What does that mean, uh intensive?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:10

Let me double check that day. Um, so it is gonna be like most of that day. Okay, yes, it is Saturday, uh, February 21st. We are doing it. Um, we do have a meeting space for it. If you end up signing up for it, um, it'll email to you where it's at, but it'll be from 3:15 to 9 p.m. if we need to go that long. But intensive meaning, sure, we're gonna be like talking and sharing some ideas and whatever, but it is also going to be interactive. Okay, we're gonna have a an entire like altered states lab where we bring out a bunch of different equipment and tools and things where you're going to get to try all of these different things and document and know how things feel for you and what feels good. We are also going to bring some items and do some practicing for tapping in to the network.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

Which by the way, anyone that's getting information, anyone that's listening that's not local to us, like yes, while we are talking about a physical place where you can come do this with us, uh, the whole thing is going to be available for three.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:07

It is also going to be virtual, yes. Out of towners, yeah. We are going to stream it virtually, which shout out for any of our Patreon members. If you want to join virtually, you can do it. It is free.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:16

Yep. Um for our Patreon members.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:18

For our Patreon members. So um, yeah, but we'll put the link for everything below and it has the tentative schedule and everything on the web page. So we'll link that below this episode. But yeah, all of that to say, if you want to get in there with us and actually do some of these exercises, be able to ask us questions and like let's have the discussion. Let's get into it together. Let's talk about the things that you've tried that have not worked for you and the things that like try to come up with ways for things that might work better for you.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:46

Like, let's it's gonna be a lab. Be ready to think about questions, right? Such as could it be that we are not connecting with ghosts, but we are connecting with lizard people who inhabit the moon who are using us for their own nefarious reasons.

unknown 1:07:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:59

Damien, you need to chill out. Drink your takeos tonic. But you know what I mean though.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:03

Like, like, really, like that's that is my goal with all this. The same thing we do with the the people that come and join our Patreon to learn about paranormal stuff. Anyone can that's with us can tell you uh we are not going in saying, like, well, here's an EMF meter, kids, and this is going to detect ghosts because the ghost takes his little penis out of his little ghost pants and he touches the EMF field.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:20

Like no EMF meters in sight.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:22

No, there might be, but it's gonna be looked at in a very different way.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:25

But I think what people certainly won't be.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:27

What people know that come and they do with uh this paranormal stuff with this, they know that this is something that you're gonna dive in, you're gonna hear some weird stuff. So be prepared to Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:35

Well, it's a I mean it's a we're getting hands-on.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:37

Intensive, like Jane Fonda. Yeah, it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:41

It's gonna be your lab class.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:42

Yeah, yeah. Uh that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

Also, well, also for my anxiety girlies, yes, there is a dinner break. Okay. So really, and you are always welcome to bring snacks, please. Like, I will probably snack at various points.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:55

For those that are gonna be joining us in person, this is where it will be the location will be emailed to them. It'll be emailed to all the time. Yeah, when they sign up.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:03

Yeah, listen, I've do not want to be stalked.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:07

Yeah, I do. Kind of. Well, depending on who you are. I don't know. Depending on where your ideas are. Anyways. Uh so that's that. That's coming up when?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:17

On Saturday, February 21st.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:20

Wonderful. And you will have the link down below where people can hammer it and they can go to the sign up for the virtual. When can they sign up for that?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:27

Is that already Yeah, it's already open. So again, if you are looking for this, if you want to come hang out with us, if you want to get fucking weird, um, we will have the link in the show notes for this episode. So just click on that. It will take you to the webpage, it will give you kind of like an overview, a description. It has a tentative schedule in there. You can people have questions for you about it, where do they go? Just send me, uh just send me an Instagram DM.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:52

Slide into the DMs. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:55

On uh at Nicole Ricardo, yeah, because the I I'm gonna be honest with you, I do not check the real ghost of. So I'm so sorry to anybody who is like DM'd.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:03

We have ghosts do that for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:04

Which is why we're constantly ghosting you, which is why it's very inefficient, yes. Uh other news before we wrap up, uh, speaking of intensives and learning and fun and ghosts, uh, Strange and Extraordinary Fest is coming up. Now, I'm sure I think we had an ad play earlier in this episode for it, but I want to talk about it again because uh we are very excited for this, because we are putting together for people that come live and I think virtually as well, um a super cool experience with the items with the museum.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:32

This is gonna be our very first stop for the Haunted Road Show for 2026. So for anybody who has been wanting to check out the haunted museum, you've been wanting to interact with the items, please come to this because our whole kind of shtick is we want you to have an experience. So it is not like, yes, we'll have the items there, but it's not gonna be a whole like, you know, walk-in and you're not gonna pay a hundred dollars and go see an item for five minutes and then get blessed by a priest and leave. Yes. Um, although hurricane may or may not be there. So you can get blessed.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:03

Are we gonna put the priest outfit on him?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

Yes, you can get blessed by some of his kisses.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Pastor Pup.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:08

Yes, Pastor Pastor Parapup will be in attendance um for blessing kisses, shall you desire any. But it will be, we are going to have uh investigation station set up there um where we're gonna bring some of our equipment and the thing that you've been hearing us talk about, the BRV um that we've been experimenting with and like our custom equipment, things like that. So we will be in there, of course, not when we're on stage talking, we'll be on stage, but um, we'll be in there. You can investigate with us and also shout out to anybody who decides to get the VIP ticket. You are also going to get your own. Um, there will be a dedicated time just for the VIP guests who will be in there with Damien and I. We're gonna give you a tour, we're gonna investigate with you, and you also get uh, we're gonna do a seance with you too at at the end.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:55

Perfect. So that's strange and extraordinary fest for all of our listeners that are all across the the country.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

There are virtual tickets as well.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:01

But we've got a lot more uh places that you're gonna be able to catch us coming up already this year. Um you you have a list really quick. I just want to do a quick list for for everyone that's listening because look, uh we get the messages all the time that from people. We've had people that have flown down uh to come see us at events that we do down here, but we are all over the country. Um so if if we come to your city, your state, uh, we want to see you.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Yes. So uh quick recap of things that we will be doing. If it is somewhere near you or you want to come hang out at one of these fests, uh we are doing Dinner with the Dead, which is an event in Spring, Texas. It's just outside of Houston, March 6th and March 7th.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:38

With Adam Berry.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:39

With Adam Berry, we'll be there. Our friend Tammy from Hollyweird Paranormal and Tawny, uh Tawny Lewis is coming in for that as well. Um, and Houston Strange. So that'll be cool. We will have some different items with it. It's like a dinner first, and then it's like a little like tour of the town of like the haunted spots, and each person will be at a different spot for you to investigate with us. So that'll be super cool. Cool. Um, we are doing the Hill House spring tour.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:07

Oh, yeah. We are also investigating there in a couple of days, which is March 14th.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:11

That's in Mineral Walls, Texas. So for anybody who has heard us go on and on and on endlessly about Hill House. Um, but you do not want to stay overnight.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:19

Or if you're just curious to have questions about it and you want to see it yourself, is it all it's cracked up to be? This is a great way to find out.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:25

Yes. Um, so we'll be doing that. Then we have, of course, Strange and Extraordinary Fest. Then we are doing um Psychic and Spirit Fest in San Antonio, which is on May 16th, which that is the museum, is the headliner this year. Um, we will have the museum again with investigation stations and stuff inside. Uh, it's at the Victoria Black Victoria's Black Swan Inn.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

In San Antonio.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:51

Yes, so we will be inside of the house this year with all of our items, and we will be investigating with you. So that's gonna be super fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:58

And honestly, for anyone into the paranormal, the twins, uh, who is what puts that that that event on, they are amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:04

They do amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:05

Fucking kill it. Last year we did this event. Um, uh Annabelle headlined it. There's a lot of people there, but a lot of wonderful vendors, uh, psychics, mediums, readers, uh, ghost hunters, collectors, all there.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:18

And all of the talks were really great. They had really great people.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:22

So um shout out to the lady last year that uh at the end of it when I said, Okay, we have 30 seconds to go, and then she said, Do you believe in lizard people? And I said, You fucking bitch. Like I can't do it to me with 30 seconds to go.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:31

Yes. Um, so we will be doing that again. Then we are doing uh we are on the Austin Public Library Summer Series.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:37

I'm so excited for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

So we are doing four talks at different libraries around Austin over the summer. Um, then we are doing the Haunted America Conference with Troy Taylor, who we actually uh are interviewing him. So that will come to you, be coming to you soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:56

Soon.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:56

Um, I think our interview with him is next week.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:59

Troy Taylor is one of the guys in the paranormal that we look up to.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:03

I mean, yeah, he's pretty much like goals, honestly. He's just so like doing his own thing, like does not give a fuck.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

He's been doing it since like the 90s or 80s or since dinosaurs roamed the earth, but really cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

He, in my opinion, is probably like the best researcher in the paranormal. Like his history books out. Yeah, his history is just absolutely impeccable. So for anybody that enjoys the um the history portion of the RGO episodes, you will fucking love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:28

Go listen to his podcast, American Hauntings Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:31

He is an icon. So uh Haunted America conference that is June 25th through 28th in Alton, Illinois. So any of our Midwestern friends, come see us. Um, that'll be super fun. Then we are doing uh this one personally has been a bucketless one for me since literally like I started um Goblin Con. Yeah. We're doing Goblin Con.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:51

I'm excited for Goblin Con. So for all my horror movie fans that are listening right now, uh, you've seen Maximum Overdrive. If you haven't, well, sorry, if you've seen it and you don't like it, you're an idiot. Uh but if you remember the truck, the bad, the main truck in that movie with the big goblin face on the front. Uh the guy that owns the actual truck from the movie uh is there with it. Uh and it's gonna be next to our fucking booth. So I'm so excited for that because it's one of my greatest films of all time when I was a kid. I mean, an entire movie of nothing but ACDC for the soundtrack and semi-trucks running people over. It's fucking awesome. Uh it's gonna be there. So right next to us.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

Yes. Um, so you can come see us there. And that is especially if you are into like more of the weird side of things, because I know there they do a lot of like you uh UFO UAP.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

Well, Goblin Con himself is up there with uh Geraldine Sutton, who who would uh who had had the exper her family had the experience of the little goblin men from up there.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

And you do have an episode on Parapeculiar with her, if anybody wants to go listen, so she'll be there as well. Um, but yeah, that's in Hopkinsville, Kentucky, August 22nd, 23rd. Then we are uh back with the twins in San Antonio for San Antonio Paranormal Fest on September 19th. And then we have Rock Island Roadhouse Esoteric Expo October 2nd and 3rd in Rock Island, Illinois. So another one for our Midwestern friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:14

Very excited for that. And uh as the days go on uh moving into the year, we are just getting booked and booked and booked. So we'll have more updates for y'all. Yeah. If you're somewhere and we've not named uh anywhere close to your city, but you want to see us, you want us to come let us know, like or let events know by you that you want us there.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:29

Um yes, if there are events near you, like any paranormal fess or weirdo fess or anything like that, the best thing that you can do for us is email them and just let us know, or let them know that you would love to see us there speaking. Um, and then email me and I will email them and follow up.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:46

And we'll send you some shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:48

We'll send you stickers. Stickers, and I'll give you a little kiss on the forehead.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:52

Just like Annabelle.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:53

Just like Annabelle just like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:54

What happened to the last fellow that was with Annabelle after you did that?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:56

Maybe he died.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:58

Too soon, anyways. Um, yeah, that's our schedule. Look, and and in in between, there's lots of investigations, and we're going to Waverly Hills again this year with our bruvs. I'm very excited for that.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

Yeah, so we'll probably debrief that on here. And also just shout out for anyone who's like, you know, also listens to RGO, which apparently we also we got a review recently that was like it's basically parapeculiar. I'm like, yes, it is. Congratulations. Um you're so smart.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:22

Uh podcast back, aren't we?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:24

Well, yeah, and it'll be, I mean, we've talked about this out outside of, you know, in front of the microphones, but RGO will basically be like, you know, when we edit an episode, it'll go up. But parapeculiar, we really want to be like the primary and doing the weekly episodes. And so please, for any of y'all who are out there listening and you do enjoy it, please send it to your friends because also like low-key but high key, I think actually it is shadow banned.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:48

Oh, I think we got shadow banned for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:50

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:50

I think we did. Uh, there's lots of things I've said over the years.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:53

Uh, this will be in this July we don't we don't censor like bleep anything.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:57

I believe this July will be four years, uh, which is wild to think about. But I think it has been a bit shadow banned. Uh, and we have reasons for that, anyways. Uh yeah, tell your people about it, tell your parents about it, tell your friends about it, tell your uh PO officer about it, whatever. But leave us reviews, but most importantly, throw us ideas of shit you want to hear us talk about.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:15

Yeah, yeah, which actually is super helpful because like literally for Patreon for March, we're gonna do a whole cryptid month, which was requested by somebody and looking at like the the intersection of like how you know what's typically seen when like they're communicating and all these things, and like what's the crossover with what paranormal people typically see and all that. So, yeah, I'm actually excited about that. That'll be super fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:37

Yeah, let us know if you have any thoughts or feelings or anything else. Feelings, yeah. Um, and we will address those. We would love to talk to you, we'd love to answer your questions. We would love to come to your town. Um, other than that, that's all I've got. What do you got?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:51

I think that's all.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:52

You think that's all?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

I don't know. I mean, if there's something else, we'll record another episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:57

If somebody decides to learn this idea of signal mediumship from us, will they get haunted?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:05

Uh maybe.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:08

The way you say that is not reassuring to anybody that does not want to be haunted.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:12

I mean, well, here's the thing. If we're operating under the assumption that like the reality is, like, I we can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:19

You're obviously so sus right now. Look, here's the deal. We are gonna put a warning. You may or may not get a fucking attachment by doing some of these experiments. Uh so that's what you're looking for.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:27

Well, just just by doing the experiments, like trying to trying different devices to see, you know, altered state, whatever for meditation, like that in and of itself is not going to get you haunted per se. But like what you choose to do with things, that's proceed at your own risk, you know what I'm saying? But also, like, to be fair, um I mean the fucking academics talk about the hitchhiker effect, and we've definitely seen that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:53

Well, we've definitely not just seen it, we definitely live it. Yeah, so do our friends.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

I mean, uh here, how about I think the better way to address this is for me personally, I don't really experience a lot of fear around any of these things just in general. No, but we are aloof. But that is because I very much trust the people that we know. And I know that if we are ever experiencing anything that I feel is like out of out of you know, my realm of expertise or whatever, like I know I know and trust and love the people in our community and in our world and their expertise. And I also trust that if they were to not know that they're going to know somebody who would know. So that is how I will answer that question.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:41

Yeah. No, that's great. I think it's great. Yeah. Main thing there to end this episode is if you want the haunted road show in your town, let us know. Let other people know. And uh we'll come through.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:51

We'll come to you.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:51

We'll come haunter shit. Bitch. You said bitch, though. I said bitch, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

This is why we're shadow banned.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:59

Yeah. Anyways, see you guys. Uh, we'll talk to you next time.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:01

Okay, bye.