{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":1.11,"endTime":4.391,"body":"What's up guys and welcome"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":1.11,"endTime":4.391,"body":"back to Talk Nutrition. Today's episode 59,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":5.072,"endTime":9.434,"body":"I want to talk about hard work"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":5.072,"endTime":9.434,"body":"and what it takes to be successful. And I've"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":9.454,"endTime":13.356,"body":"been talking about this with"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":9.454,"endTime":13.356,"body":"a lot of people recently, that a lot of stuff"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":13.456,"endTime":16.198,"body":"online is kind of like, just"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":13.456,"endTime":16.198,"body":"go hard, you know, you just gotta work hard,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":16.558,"endTime":19.28,"body":"you just gotta be disciplined,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":16.558,"endTime":19.28,"body":"you know, just, you know, fuck motivation,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":19.32,"endTime":23.602,"body":"you just gotta do it. Like,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":19.32,"endTime":23.602,"body":"yeah, you gotta work hard. But just a little"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":23.622,"endTime":28.645,"body":"bit more to that, you know?"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":23.622,"endTime":28.645,"body":"So I figured, let's try to get this guest on"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":29.085,"endTime":33.769,"body":"we have today with us. because"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":29.085,"endTime":33.769,"body":"next time, first of all, welcome."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":35.473,"endTime":38.056,"body":"Hey man, thanks so much for having me"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":35.473,"endTime":38.056,"body":"on. Really appreciate it. Happy to be here."},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":39.274,"endTime":44.875,"body":"Because you wrote a book on"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":39.274,"endTime":44.875,"body":"how to be successful. 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It's the whole thing of you"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1888.595,"endTime":1891.6970000000001,"body":"have ideas, but you never do anything"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1888.595,"endTime":1891.6970000000001,"body":"with them. Well, you're just never going to"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1891.737,"endTime":1895.439,"body":"become successful if all you have is"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1891.737,"endTime":1895.439,"body":"ideas. You actually have to put things into"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1895.719,"endTime":1900.522,"body":"work, into practice. You actually have"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1895.719,"endTime":1900.522,"body":"to do something to create an outcome. That"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1900.5420000000001,"endTime":1904.0040000000001,"body":"kind of forms the foundation of the"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":1900.5420000000001,"endTime":1904.0040000000001,"body":"pyramid. You can't get around that. 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Like you just have to focus on the present."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2009.468,"endTime":2013.77,"body":"And if I talk to them again, I'm gonna"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2009.468,"endTime":2013.77,"body":"be exact. Put one foot in front of the other."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2014.3310000000001,"endTime":2017.452,"body":"What's the very next thing that you"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2014.3310000000001,"endTime":2017.452,"body":"can do? Now put your other foot in front of"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2017.472,"endTime":2021.883,"body":"the other. That's what you have control"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2017.472,"endTime":2021.883,"body":"over. No matter what happens to us, we always"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2021.903,"endTime":2025.726,"body":"have control over how we respond to"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2021.903,"endTime":2025.726,"body":"things. 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So please continue."},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2160.106,"endTime":2165.19,"body":"Because I feel like these days"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2160.106,"endTime":2165.19,"body":"people are very quick to kind of like start"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2165.23,"endTime":2171.655,"body":"blaming shit Also a point where"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2165.23,"endTime":2171.655,"body":"it's kind of like kind of going back into the"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2171.695,"endTime":2176.939,"body":"hard work too is like, you"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2171.695,"endTime":2176.939,"body":"know Everything needs to be easy and this needs"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2176.959,"endTime":2181.223,"body":"to be convenient and Like there's"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2176.959,"endTime":2181.223,"body":"all these other factors that you know make"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2181.563,"endTime":2184.725,"body":"too much of an impact for us"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2181.563,"endTime":2184.725,"body":"to actually be able to do something about it,"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2184.745,"endTime":2184.945,"body":"you know"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2186.093,"endTime":2188.514,"body":"Yeah, it's funny that he mentioned the"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2186.093,"endTime":2188.514,"body":"blaming other people because one of the books"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2188.534,"endTime":2193.956,"body":"that really kind of, was like, oh, this"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2188.534,"endTime":2193.956,"body":"is really eye-opener, was Jocko Willink's Extreme"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2193.996,"endTime":2198.338,"body":"Ownership. 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And man, this is so fresh"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2344.681,"endTime":2349.044,"body":"on my mind, I'm gonna say this, because it"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2349.064,"endTime":2356.348,"body":"goes back to my son. And listen, my"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2349.064,"endTime":2356.348,"body":"wife was very beaten up over this. Her baby"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2356.448,"endTime":2362.405,"body":"is away. and is struggling and is crying"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2356.448,"endTime":2362.405,"body":"and oh my god it's hard. 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But the hard choice now leads"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2390.73,"endTime":2397.892,"body":"to easier things later on in life. Because"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2397.972,"endTime":2403.074,"body":"if we're there to be his comfort, right?"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2397.972,"endTime":2403.074,"body":"And just like he can always fall back on that."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2403.434,"endTime":2407.895,"body":"It's like this, I can't do it. I can't"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2403.434,"endTime":2407.895,"body":"do hard things. Oh, you know, mommy had to"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2407.915,"endTime":2412.109,"body":"come rescue me, something like that."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2407.915,"endTime":2412.109,"body":"But like if he can do it. And he can do it"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2412.129,"endTime":2414.73,"body":"because he had already went on like"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2412.129,"endTime":2414.73,"body":"a two day camping trip, you know, like a couple"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2414.77,"endTime":2417.431,"body":"months ago and that's how he was like,"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2414.77,"endTime":2417.431,"body":"Oh, this is going to be fun. I really want"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2417.451,"endTime":2421.733,"body":"to do this. But like, it's that hard"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2417.451,"endTime":2421.733,"body":"choice now that leads to slightly easier outcomes"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2421.773,"endTime":2425.515,"body":"later on. It's the same idea. You can"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2421.773,"endTime":2425.515,"body":"apply it to parenting, to personal finances,"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2425.555,"endTime":2429.777,"body":"to fitness, obviously. Right? Like,"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2425.555,"endTime":2429.777,"body":"of course you want to go eat the cookies and"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2429.817,"endTime":2433.759,"body":"all that, but if you don't do that and,"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2429.817,"endTime":2433.759,"body":"you know, maybe there's something better, like,"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2433.839,"endTime":2439.333,"body":"well, the long-term outcome again, if"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2433.839,"endTime":2439.333,"body":"you can. you keep doing this and you're stacking"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2439.393,"endTime":2443.334,"body":"all that together, you're gonna have"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2439.393,"endTime":2443.334,"body":"better health outcomes later on. So that's"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2443.3740000000003,"endTime":2446.956,"body":"how I view discipline. And you can do"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2443.3740000000003,"endTime":2446.956,"body":"things about it. You can make your environment"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2447.016,"endTime":2451.137,"body":"easier so you don't have to exert as"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2447.016,"endTime":2451.137,"body":"much willpower. Like, you know, I'm sure you"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2451.157,"endTime":2454.178,"body":"know all that stuff too. I'm sure you've"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2451.157,"endTime":2454.178,"body":"probably talked about it. Like you can make"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2454.198,"endTime":2459.38,"body":"things a little bit easier on yourself."},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2454.198,"endTime":2459.38,"body":"So that's number four. Number five, you start"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2459.4,"endTime":2463.597,"body":"to get up into like your purpose and"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2459.4,"endTime":2463.597,"body":"meaning. 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Minus"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2475.264,"endTime":2480.107,"body":"my wife, of course, but never met anyone that's"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2480.167,"endTime":2484.889,"body":"perfect. Slightly joking there. And"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2480.167,"endTime":2484.889,"body":"again, like when you have this greater purpose"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2484.909,"endTime":2488.591,"body":"and meaning, when you do hit these stumbling"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2484.909,"endTime":2488.591,"body":"blocks, when you do fail, it's much easier"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2488.611,"endTime":2493.442,"body":"to pick yourself back up and just keep"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2488.611,"endTime":2493.442,"body":"going. because you're like, okay, this is just"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2493.482,"endTime":2496.445,"body":"part of it. 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But once you do, I feel like"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2654.8360000000002,"endTime":2657.221,"body":"that's gonna allow you to really"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":2654.8360000000002,"endTime":2657.221,"body":"like move forward, you know?"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2658.5570000000002,"endTime":2663.958,"body":"Oh yeah, and ego is a really interesting"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2658.5570000000002,"endTime":2663.958,"body":"one because I think sometimes it's viewed really"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2663.998,"endTime":2667.699,"body":"negatively and for a lot of times it"},{"speaker":"[nick]","startTime":2663.998,"endTime":2667.699,"body":"is, right? 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Make sure to share this episode."},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3308.497,"endTime":3312.54,"body":"I was going to say share this"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3308.497,"endTime":3312.54,"body":"episode in your stories if you enjoyed the"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3312.58,"endTime":3316.683,"body":"episode. And of course, feel"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3312.58,"endTime":3316.683,"body":"free to drop us a rating and or review on Apple"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3316.703,"endTime":3319.8450000000003,"body":"or Spotify. And then we will"},{"speaker":"[Johan Vesters]","startTime":3316.703,"endTime":3319.8450000000003,"body":"be back next week. Talk to you then."}]}