Daniel: 0:12

Hello everybody. And welcome to another episode of four, two dad sake podcasts. I'm Daniel Aguilar. And here with me, it's Jonathan Aguilar. Before we get into it, John, just want to say happy birthday, happy, but later birthday. how was it? How old are you?

Jon: 0:30

Awesome. Uh, well thank you very much. Uh, so I am now the big three, five, Getting up there crazy to think about that. Yeah. I mean, I honestly, even when I think about, you know, your age and everything, I just remember as kids and now where they're older people, so trying to let that marinate, but, um, birthday day was awesome. Um, was a little, little interesting. I got, uh, thrown a gift out of that field, which I was wasn't expecting, and I got to go to the Rams game. They got, they played, uh, Atlanta. which was a, it was a pretty good game. And at the end got very interesting, uh, any of those that watched the game, they saw that, uh, did you stay for the whole game? Yeah. Yeah. I took my, uh, took my father-in-law. He's a huge Ram. Fan's been ranch fan got his whole life. He loved it, never been a SoFi stadium, just like myself. So it was my first NFL game ever, which was awesome. Um, only took me 35 years to get there, but, uh, it was so cool. The stadium was awesome. Um, so yeah, it, it was, it was crazy.

Daniel: 1:38

Yeah. I think first of all, I think we should make a special shout out to Ricky, Andre for giving you the tickets.

Jon: 1:45

Yes. Ricky big, thank you to, I didn't know if you watched this or he listens to the podcast, but if you do

Daniel: 1:51

thank you, Rick. Big shout. I'll let him know. But, yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a great stadium. I mean, there's so much going on when you, when you first just walking into the stadium and when you get into it, you got the big scoreboard. The place is packed. I mean, it's, I, I went last year, I went to go see the Detroit Alliance and the, the Rams and I didn't think it was gonna be a lot of people and it was packed, sell out.

Jon: 2:20

Yeah. Yeah. You could just parking, just get, get into a parking spot. It was crazy.

Daniel: 2:25

How long did it take you to get out? So,

Jon: 2:30

I mean, to get out of the parking lot, actually didn't take us long cuz where we parked was right near an exit. So we were out in about like five, 10 minutes. So we got lucky. Now did you

Daniel: 2:40

get to the game on time? Because I mean, this all happened

Jon: 2:42

pretty fast. No. Yeah. So we. We got there. I think about like five minutes. Well, we got to our seat about, uh, like six minutes into the game. So as we were walking, trying to find where our seats were, uh, we were, you know, pausing to look at the, the game on the field and kind of trying to take it all in, um, got some pictures in and whatnot. So it was, uh, it was cool. But about six minutes in,

Daniel: 3:08

what did he, what did your father-in-law think of it?

Jon: 3:11

Oh, he thought it was awesome. Uh, he went to a couple Rams game. When, uh, what did they used to play at in LA? Was it the Coliseum? No. Oh, the Coliseum, um, the Coliseum. And, uh, he was telling me a bit about those games and how like he enjoyed it. He went with, you know, one of his buddies, a couple of them. So he was, uh, yeah, he was taking back by it. He was taking pictures left and right. Um, so he, he was super stoked.

Daniel: 3:35

Well, we still have to go to a game together. I saw when Ricky posted the. The Facebook message. And at first I was like, oh, can I go? But then we were at the house with the kids and to leave Sherry alone with the two kids the last minute I'm like, there has to be a really good reason. And usually two free tickets to at Rams games is a good reason. However, I just went last week. And so I was like, well, maybe I texted him. I was like, today's John's birthday. He might want'em hope. Hopefully that might give you might pitch you up on the list for priority, like on the waiver wire. Right. And it's, I thought it would be a better idea to have, and I was hoping years ago, last minute, I was hoping you get tickets and invite me and be like, oh, what's John's birthday can invited me. And that didn't happen, but it's okay. No, I'm kind of glad it didn't because, Well, just as well. Okay. I'll get you in a minute when we get to, how was your weekend, but, so what happened after the game?

Jon: 4:46

I do apologize that your planned for you to try to get did not work out. Um, but no, I, so part of the reason though, uh, the way I got to go was, you know, take my father-in-law. Um, my wife with three kids, uh, she was able to go to her mom's house and kind of get help there. So it, it worked out. It was awesome.

Daniel: 5:08

You don't think, Sherry, could you don't think Sherry could have helped her with the, with the kids? Well, our

Jon: 5:13

kids that's part of what I was gonna get to, but our kids were sick this weekend. So, so you met didn't think you

Daniel: 5:18

wanna get you guys as sick, you match up, you go man to man, right? So you got man, you man up, your oldest with my oldest, right? And then you got Sherry can handle either the baby. Or the, the middle I'm trying not to use their name. Cause I know you don't want their names out there. All right. And, or, and then you can even flip flop on that. So if one gets tired of the baby and boom. So the thing about during the future, you know what I'm saying, if you wanna hang out, you know, there's a, well, again, yeah.

Jon: 5:50

Our kids were sick, so they wanna get your

Daniel: 5:51

kids sick. So I appreciate that. That's nice. And, and what else did you do for your birthday?

Jon: 5:58

Uh, so after that, um, we just got back, uh, had, uh, let's see, had some dinner with my, with the kids. They made me a delicious, wonderful looking cake, the boys, uh, they saw that cake and it it's cute. Make it, yeah, it was awesome. So they had a blast, uh, son happy birthday. And, um, honestly I was just so tired from the game. Uh, And then just too, with the kids being sick, just trying to help them get, to get to bed on time with

Daniel: 6:30

school the next day and stuff. Did you text Moses that you were going to the game? I did. I

Jon: 6:35

texted him while I was there, asked him if he was there and he told me, yeah, so nice. Uh, which we were, we were texting him through there for a little bit. And, um, yeah, it was good to, I was, I was gonna see if he wanted to meet up, but he is, his seats were much lower than, than where we were. So, uh, would've

Daniel: 6:53

been a little bit of a challenge. I know I've been there before yeah. Yeah. So, uh, actually, I don't know. Haven't heard too much from him one because I'm not sure if you listen to last week's episode about me becoming a bills fan. And then, we did go head ahead and our fantasy football match and, it was, it was an epic comeback. I don't know if you saw, going in tonight, going into tonight. I think the score was. I think it was like one 10 to like 65. And, he had his quarterback, he had, her cousins, Justin, Justin Jefferson, and, his tight end. Gotter from, yeah, from Philly. From Philly. Yeah. All I had was Josh Allen and Steon dicks and I came back and won one 50 something to one 30. So it was, yeah. So I'm a little happy. I don't, I don't think you can get invited any, any, anything. Yeah. So let's see. So Moses, I love you. We'll talk soon, but I mean, look, I, I'm excited though. Looking forward to next week Bill's and dolphins as a, a shootout. That should be a good game. Yeah. That should be a good game. Plus who's to the dolphins fan that we know. my mama. Yeah. Oh, you call her mom. You don't call her mama. No mother would be just fine. You call her Anna, be fine. Call her whatever. So it was a good birthday.

Jon: 8:27

Yeah. Yeah. It was awesome. Birthday. Can't can't complain anything about it. Okay. Um, yeah, you only turned 35 once. good. I think I did it right.

8:35

Good.

Daniel: 8:36

Oh, real quick. Went back on the bills thing. Melissa, our sister. Texting me about after last week's episode and was like, you can't be a bills down year, you live on the west coast and all this stuff. And so now every time I send her a text, I have to say, either go bills or bills mafia. And now she's getting all kinds of, popups of Bill's merchandise when she's on Instagram or online. And

Jon: 9:06

so, so wait, is this the same sister? That's favorite team is in the Midwest. Yeah. The package

Daniel: 9:11

where she's born and raised from, you know, that one. Yes, I see. I see. Yeah, I know. So it makes sense. Yeah. If you go to the bills store, cuz the green big Packers and bills will play each other, I believe the day before H. And they have a shirt and it was like, I can get us each one. We can wear it and watch the game together. And she said, no, thank you. Or no, she did. She did gave you the thumbs down on the, on the reply. So, yeah. But, uh, how is, so everything's good with you?

Jon: 9:45

Uh, so yeah, I mean, I can't complain, um, weekend was busy. Uh, uh, I mean, part of the weekend is, uh, a little bit later to get into something I'm saving forward, but, um, but overall pretty good. Pretty good. Exhausting, but good. How was your weekend?

Daniel: 10:04

It was simple. It was simple. No tennis this weekend woke up on Saturday, spent some time with the kids, got them ready. We went to a, a birthday party. Kids loved it. They got to go down the water slide and. eat a bunch of sugar and I loved it and came back home and just basically spent time with them, chased'em around and did some work. And then on Sunday we, came back to our house. It's getting a lot better. So a lot of work needs to be done, but, I was able to watch the, the football games and nice the kids. Yeah. So, and wanna bring you to the first thing I brought up on the first episode is guys Mont, just show up, just be present for your kids. I was watching the games, the red zone channel in the living room and. Our daughter just wanted attention, nothing special. And she's like, dad, can we do something while you're watching your football? I was like, sure. So everything's like packed away. Everything's like wrapped up. So there's, we don't have access to a lot of things. And we found, an unopened deck of cards. And so she was memorized on how well I can shuffle. Some might come in the best shuffle, learn the family. I agree. That's and you know, we just sat and we played the, our version of like goldfish and crazy eights and loved every minute of it. I was able to keep an eye on what was going on, but I was also able to spend one on one time with her. And you know, when I look back on, when I think of Sunday, that's the thing. I that's the first thing that pops in my head was. Our interaction for a couple hours playing with the Decker cards. And so just proves, just have to be present for your kids. You don't have to go crazy. And so, yeah, but that was my Sunday. It was nice. Yeah. It's

Jon: 12:18

nice. Yeah. I mean, honestly, I, I kind of the same, a similar situation set up here on Sunday mornings. I have the games on, of the red zone channel on the TV, but I'm still, you know, playing with the boys, changing diapers, game snacks or doing stuff. And I mean, as long as I hear the, you know, the, the football in the background, that I'm good, but yeah, like you said, if the boys wanted to play a game where it's them jumping over me or something then yeah. All right. All for

Daniel: 12:49

that. Awesome. Okay. So I guess we can move on, Actually, I forgot to ask you before signing on, do you have a, what's not, what's

Jon: 13:00

not topic. I do. I do have both actually.

Daniel: 13:04

Okay. So do I, do you want me to go first or do you wanna go first actually time out, time out, time out real quick. Sorry. I meant to bring this up before we gone until how much we can last week I caught you out on dad draft right. Voting for yourself twice, right? Correct. Okay. So I would like to go on the record and have one vote remove from last week's poll because I accidentally voted for myself now. No surprise. Now you're talking

Jon: 13:32

about dad draft. Yes. Oh. Are you talking about the, uh, for two dad's sake?

Daniel: 13:36

Oh yeah. What do you think? This is? No, right. This is dad draft. This dad draft you didn't yes.

Jon: 13:41

You didn't vote for yourself. This is what I'm saying.

Daniel: 13:43

I, I think you voted for yourself this week. No, no. I voted for you. No, but I'm saying no, but I'm saying I voted for myself this week. by accident. And I would like one vote stricken from the record. Now you still lost, you still lost.

Jon: 14:01

Are you talking about, okay, you're talking about through the, our

Daniel: 14:06

yes, yes. Okay. Yes, yes. Yes, because what happened was I got off to a big leap, but then he started chipping away. And then when I was checking it on my lunch break, I'm like, that's weird. I thought I voted for myself already under my account, my personal da, R 24. And then, so I hit Daniel to see the results. Cause once you vote, you see the results, right. And. Then when I realized what I did, I'm like, oh, I'm great. So, uh, instead of texting you on the side, I thought I would be mad enough and go on this public form. Toit my mistake. And I'm, couldn't take away one vote from last week's episode against me. However, you still lost. It's it's not a presidential jewel can, like, it's not that big, but the integrity is the integrity of dad draft that's on the line. Okay. Relax. So,

Jon: 15:09

so let you vote twice from your personal

Daniel: 15:11

account. No, no. I voted once on da Glar 24, my personal Instagram account, and I voted under the four, two debt S Instagram account.

Jon: 15:26

Okay. That's what I'm saying is I voted, I voted for you through the four, two debts podcast.

Daniel: 15:33

Oh, the Navy. I didn't do it. So you, I mean, that's, I did,

Jon: 15:36

I did it

Daniel: 15:37

as a peace offer as a peace offering. Right. I did it last week.

Jon: 15:41

Oh, I'll give you one this week. Okay. So,

Daniel: 15:44

well, you still lost, you still lost. I mean, either if we add it or we subtracted, you still lost. So, but you had me, you had, you had me scared. You had me scared. I'm not gonna lie.

Jon: 15:58

I'm not, I'm gonna go over this a little bit. Cuz I feel like for the dad drafts, we're both a little, we're under two different ideas. What it's, what it is. Mm-hmm so are you, when you pick your answers, are you going off of your personal preference or you going off of what you think is gonna get the most votes? What people

Daniel: 16:18

are it's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both. No it's okay. Yes it is this supposed to be us and then people just decide, because again, when you, you for last week was the first time you shook me when he took Casper. You threw me off. I was like, oh crap. Because I actually had two other movies I was going to end with. But since you took Casper, my sleeper, you kind of shook me. And so I believe I took,, toy story, which I wasn't gonna pick. And then, uh, I forgot what the, my other one was gonna pick. Cause I really wanted now and then to be on my list, but I didn't think it was strong enough to, to carry of me over. But it's, it's actually,

Jon: 17:03

I think that's the underrated. I think a lot of people do like it, but it does. Doesn't get

Daniel: 17:07

talked about, I love the soundtrack. I mean, love the sound. It's great soundtrack, but, yeah, so I usually play both sides of it. I'm like, these are the ones I like and I kind of circle those ones, but then there's usually like so far there's been like at least one where I'm like, eh, but I can see it being like a. swaying people to vote. Like I think you lost everyone last week. I think you lost everyone last week under Jumanji. Okay.

Jon: 17:37

Well, so here's, I guess the difference between ours, what we're approaching with mm-hmm I'm going just purely off of what I like and what me. I, this is me here. I am you tell me if you like this? Not you're trying to

Daniel: 17:51

put, make no one likes you trying to get no one likes you. He you're your own infinity for

Jon: 17:56

this. Well, because you're the one dressing up your answers to appeal to everybody.

Daniel: 18:03

You had my wife vote for you last week. Wasn't the first time she voted my wife. my sister-in-law's. Yeah, Melissa, her sister. Every every

Jon: 18:13

mean, I do appreciate

Daniel: 18:15

that ladies, by the way. Yeah. And you still got your butt kicked So,

Jon: 18:21

okay, well, now that I have, the way you're approaching it. I can, I can play to a favorite to, to the bands also.

Daniel: 18:28

Okay. So now we know we're on under, I played a win and so far it's been easy, so yeah. All right. We'll move on. We'll move on. All right. What's hot. What's not John. What's your, uh, what's your first hot topic.

Jon: 18:46

Well, did you want to go first or I normally go first, so I figured

Daniel: 18:50

let you know first. Oh yeah. I was gonna say, congratulations to Kelly Clarkson getting her Hollywood walk of theme star. Oh yeah. She's had a, she's had a, a good career, a lot of good songs., is it me? I just think the Hollywood walk of fame's a little overrated overrated him, maybe, cuz I know, I just never bent like, oh I have to go. See the stars on the, on, on the sidewalk. I've never really, I think it's kind of cool. Like when we're there and I'm like, I'm looking on the floor, I'm like, oh, okay. Dunno who that person is or, oh, that person looks familiar, but I forget about it. Five minutes later. I don't know. I just,

Jon: 19:32

uh, I mean, I, I see where you're coming from. I think it's just more kinda like attraction type thing for people visiting, like tourists. Yeah. Tourists. So it is just more like, oh, like, cool. Like look at this. And for us can see anytime going like, uh, it's no big deal. It's like, who's

Daniel: 19:48

like the most famous star you've seen in person. Yeah.

Jon: 19:55

um, let's see. I would have to say, uh, the only one coming to mind right now is, um, what she's. Okay. I shouldn't say she's not famous, but, um, she, you remember the movie pretty woman mm-hmm So remember when she goes into the store and says big mistake, huge mm-hmm one of those actresses that worked as, uh, as a worker of the store. Mm-hmm um, my wife, she stayed, uh, she, uh, rented a room while she was in college at UCLA and I met her. Uh, her name was day, uh, super sweet lady. She was awesome. But, uh, yeah, so that's one that I met though. She

Daniel: 20:43

has a, she has a star on the walk of fame. Oh, my question was like, what's the most famous star you've seen on the walk of fame. Oh, okay. I

Jon: 20:52

thought you just went star in general. I didn't know. Walk of fame.

Daniel: 20:57

mine is Mac Perry, by the way, I've actually met Mac Perry. And there's a picture of him around my shoulder. Like, you know, for buds, cuz we are BFX for life. This question just so well, you're the one who brought up like the most famous person you met. So I just thought, I thought that was your question. I said what we were talking about, we were talking about the walk of fame. What's the most famous star. What's the what's the most famous star you've seen.

Jon: 21:31

You. Don't see how that's confusing. Okay. Star you've seen. And have you seen a okay. Uh, celebrity, you

Daniel: 21:37

don't called celebrity stars. Have you seen like any star of a walk of fame?

Jon: 21:44

Uh, I mean, I'm sure I did when I was younger, but honestly I don't remember. Yeah,

Daniel: 21:49

exactly. So I've never walked

Jon: 21:50

it, like saw

Daniel: 21:51

all the, anything like that. I know it's a big achievement, but. You know, congratulations to her. Kudos. No, that is awesome. Yeah. And the other one is, this is not really, it's, it's a hot topic right now, but it's more like hot water for the way you look at it. It's Tom Brady and Giselle, it's been, reported that now they're living separately. Did you hear about him following the story? No. Okay. So, you know, Brady retired correct. A few months ago that he came back out of retirement. Right? While it turns out that Jaelle, wasn't too happy about Tom coming back to play football. And so there's been a lot of, It's a big mess, their marriage. And so it came out today that he's taking Wednesdays off. He would not be present for any team practices, every Wednesday from here on for the rest of the season. And now, CNN, I read an article that they are living separately, so their marriage might be in trouble. So hopefully, they can work things out. Sure. Yeah. I hope so. Yeah. And go ahead. You're hot. So

23:05

my

Jon: 23:05

hot is, uh, both my hot and not is, uh, more personal. Um, so my, um, second son he's actually body trained, which is awesome. Good for so many reasons. but I know we're buying diapers for him no more. Pullups mm-hmm um, he's, we've been working at this with him for, you know, I would say probably like. Gosh over a month now, but, um, haven't had any accidents in a while. Um, he's been in underwear for, uh, couple weeks actually. So, um, he's been telling us when he has to go. So it's awesome. I love it. Um, parents that are potty trained, just be patient and it's worth

Daniel: 23:51

it.

Jon: 23:53

so that's a, that's a huge hot right there. Um, were you gonna say something?

Daniel: 23:59

Oh yeah, I forgot something else. But go ahead. I'll wait till you're done. I be gentlemen, gentlemen, until you're done. No

Jon: 24:05

worries. Uh, so what's not was this past weekend. Uh, so two weeks, two weekends ago, technically now we went to the carnival, which, uh, we talked about, um, the Thursday after that my two youngest got sick and then, uh, shortly on that next Friday, my oldest got sick. So this past weekend. All three kids, coughing red nose congested. Um, yeah, it's a, it's a bummer when one gets sick because he know it's just gonna go through all. And the, the trick is trying not to get, you know, the parents trying not to get sick, which is, yeah, you're gonna get sneeze on. You gotta get coughed on.

Daniel: 24:45

And yeah, it's no fun when you see your kids suffer. No one wants to see their kids, you know, suffer. And so whether it's like an injury or sickness and you know, best thing you can do is, you know, just be patient and, uh, comfort them. It's all we can do. Yeah. Cause at that hands it's, it's a little powerless, you know, you felt like it's outta your control. And so there's really no, not a whole lot you can do so. Yeah. I did have one hunt, and I forgot to mention, bills winning tonight. 41 to seven. They are now two and oh, So congratulations go bills for like three days. It's easy week, easy week I bought, so I bought a shirt for myself, a shirt and a hat and, a little shirt for Alex. So come every Sunday will be rocking our shirts. Awesome. Yeah. And, I just wanna say, tonight there was a big injury, scary injury, Dane Jackson corner back of the bills, was taken to the hospital in a stretcher, possibly being treated for, neck injury and a concussion. So thoughts and prayers are with them, hopefully when you, yeah. When you see that it's just like football out of the question and you just hope that the, that the human being it's okay. Yeah. To have something. Not for me is, I dunno if you saw this, the Queen's funeral today and, Harry and Megan were snub sitting second row, not in the first row with the, immediate family. And so, you know, they're, they've had their, their family issues for a while. And so, you know, death's interesting. I mean, it is, I've seen from other families and other friends when someone passes away, a lot of fights tend to break, break out, and now this family had their problems before all this, but, you know, I, I would just like to. Usually when something like this happens, I just hope everyone can come together instead of fighting, you know, when, you know, when dad passed, you know, I think the only thing on your mind of my mind is what Ann, Melissa is, was mom, you know, maybe for mom and, and, you know, even when she got her, you know, her insurance, you know, we didn't try to go after it. We didn't try to like nitpick, you know, we just wanted to make sure mom was taking care of period. And so,

Jon: 27:24

I mean, as far as I know, don't think any one of us even mentioned anything about like yeah.

Daniel: 27:29

Or items or anything, possessions. Yeah. And so, so yeah, it's disappointing, you know, you just hope that, you know, again, I know they've had their problems before all this and hopefully they can like work it out, but, you know, I. Again, too. I just found out last week, a messy situation. Dad had to deal with like a death in the family and that family is going through a lot and it's really messy and ugly and I just wouldn't wish down on anybody. Yeah. That's a shame that happens. And then my last knot is then on the opera. It's going by it's after, in January, it'll be 35 years that it was playing on Broadway, but it's gonna be ending on Broadway on February 18th. So that's a classic. I, I saw the show, not in person. It's a great show. I did see the, the sequel love,, love never dies. That was a fantastic show. I read a highly recommended show, but, yeah, it's, You're not a theater guy. Are

Jon: 28:37

you? Um, I wouldn't say I'm not a theater guy. I just, I don't think I've ever been around people that are so, um, yeah,

Daniel: 28:46

this guy.

Jon: 28:48

Yeah, exactly. I've never been around. some people that are so, um, I mean, I, I mean, I love the Nutcracker, um, seen that, uh, different forms of plays of it, different theaters. Um, also just watched it on TV. That's always a good one that I just enjoy, but, um, yeah, I do like some, uh, some musicals actually. I had quite a bit, sweetie. Todd lay, miss.

Daniel: 29:10

So lay, miss is a great one, yeah, you have to see book of Mormon. Hilarious, hilarious. I seen, I seen

Jon: 29:19

little bits of piece of it and yeah, I got

Daniel: 29:22

it watched. Yeah. Just if you're gonna go see,, the book of Mormon, you gotta know what you're signing up for. I mean, there's. Yeah, there's no kind of humor that, involves religion. That's all, I'll say don't wanna spoil it. Don't want to get into debate, but if you're gonna go see it, know it yourself, know what you're getting yourself into. It does

Jon: 29:43

help if you're open minded.

Daniel: 29:45

Yeah. Oh yeah. And then, uh, any, what's not,

Jon: 29:50

um, I, I already gave what's not, oh, that's it kids being sick. Um, that's it. Yeah. I mean, from my understanding, it was just one of each I, we were supposed to okay.

Daniel: 30:01

Get a whole book report. So last week last week, John and I don't know, try to, or at least I'm, I try to implement a new session called back on the date. And the goal is just to give a little tidbit of something interesting that happened back on the state. And I thought it was a disaster. It was about the, the show, the monkeys and the sixties premiering. And I don't know, there just wasn't any fun, really fun facts about it. And it just was messy. And so I deleted it from the whole episode. Were you shocked not to hear it? I was. But, or did you forget about it? Did you forget about it? A little bit of both.

Jon: 30:44

I to it a little. I listen to it. I didn't notice. And then afterwards I remember think like, wait, there was a part I was missing and yeah.

Daniel: 30:54

So I'm gonna try again, this, today. So hopefully cutting until I get it something today. Exactly. at first, you don't succeed. You get up and try again. You edit and then try it again. yeah. So back on this date on September 21st, 1780 guy named Benedick Arnold for heard of him who. Benedict Arnold. I I'm familiar. Yeah. He's a us version of, Judas pretty much. And, going into the American revolution, he was pretty much, George Washington's best commander. And after getting snub of a few promotions and raises, he decided to take things into his own own hands. So on September 21st, 1780, he met with the British major John Andre and joined the British army by basically handing over west point. Unfortunately, that plant kind of backfired cuz it got out of what happened and not long after that, John Andre was captured and. Forcing Ben MC Arnold to join forces with the British army. And he did have some success being shows, British soldiers and to Connecticut and Virginia. But after the, the war was over, which spoiler we won. Hooray go USA. Yes. Do it, he moved he moved to England however, he was not promised all his, money he was supposed to get from England. He later died in, June 14th, 1801. So that happened back on this date, Benedict Arnold. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I've always heard, oh, you're being a real Ben Arnold, but, I never really. Heard the story. So it was fun to like go back and like deep dive a little bit

Jon: 32:54

on, I didn't know the specifics, but I knew it was about flip flopping. Yeah. Like one side to the other. Yeah.

Daniel: 33:01

Okay. So I like that nice sense of history. Thank you much better than, uh, last week's trust me. I did everyone in favor.

Jon: 33:08

Of our monkeys fans are pissed right now.

Daniel: 33:10

S that don't want to eat. John, you have a, a taller don't you?

Jon: 33:17

Uh, yeah. Somewhere in this house. Yeah.

Daniel: 33:19

Okay. Any issues with like picky eating?

Jon: 33:24

So with my second son, he sometimes, sometimes, sometimes he'd be pretty picky as far as, um, not want to eat whether it's vegetables or just what, you know, we have prepared. Um, one thing that I will say that. helps out is figuring a fun way to eat with them or like to have them eat. Like for example. Yeah. Uh, one of the things that he will do is, oh, I don't want this and I just, him, okay. Just leave it on the plate. You don't you to just leave it there. And I've noticed when I've done that, he'll start eating the other food and then eventually he's not even really paying attention. He starts eating, you know, the carrots or whatever it is mm-hmm Um, but another way I've, I've tried is, um, again, I'll stick with carrots, but, uh, bugs bunny. I, I took a bite at one, uh, what's that back and they start laughing and then of course they mimic it and I laugh. Like it's the most funniest thing ever. And of course with any kids, they're gonna keep doing it. And so before, you know, they eat

Daniel: 34:27

their carrots. Yeah. So I have a, a few basic strategies I recommend to, my families that I work with at work and. one of them is you want to try to change the textures, the colors, the shapes, and be creative with, with your presentation. And so that's actually good, good job on, on that part. But it should be also noted real quick that it's normal for a two. Yearold not to want the casserole you make for him, or maybe the vegetables, the green beans, you know, you might not, that's perfectly normal. What I'm talking about. What we're talking about here today is basically, strategies on how to help you stay calm first of all, but then also help make it easier for your, your child to, to, to eat. So, yeah, you know, with,, you know, Danny was a really good eater, up until the pandemic. Cause I was thinking about this, you know, when we would give her her vegetables, she had no problem with it. She liked trying different types of foods and we actually had it pretty easy. And then during the pandemic, as you know, we got sick for early and we were fine, nothing major. We just got positive for, with COVID and I think everyone kind of panicked. And so every day people were shipping food to the house and we're talking like family dinners from like actual restaurants. And so we have so much food and when you're home all day, it just makes it it's normal to snack. also too, we're trying to keep her entertained. And one of the ways is we decided her to, you know, show her how to cook, how to bake. And so now we have like all these baked goods around. And so, yeah. So that's where we ran into it. And now we're trying to, like, we're, she's gotten a lot better back on track, but it was a battle of getting her to eat her, you know, like her vegetables or her Castro, cuz she's like, oh, I want to eat out. Or I want, you know, she wanted something from the freezer and it's like, well that's not healthy. You know, you know, we, you wanna limit, you know, processed food obviously.

Jon: 36:55

That I did read upon is, um, sometimes, I mean, kids just aren't hungry. We, I know us, you know, the parents and everyone else who were on a pattern. Okay. It's lunchtime. It's dinner time, you know, we eat, um, I mean, if they had a big lunch, they may not be hungry for dinner, so it may not be them just being a picky eater just could be, they're not, you know, they're not ready to eat yet. Um, the article I read was saying that it's a parent's food to, or it's a parents' job to, you know, produce the food and it's important to let the kids, you know, they're let their body decide on, you know, if they're hungry or not, and kind of let them guide them and fold their, their bodies instinct. Um, so that's something that always, you know, to mind, it's not them just going against what you're saying or not wanting to eat. That could be,

Daniel: 37:46

they're just not hungry. Yeah. So kind of reminds me of, of this kid. I was seeing about like a year ago, mom was stressed out that the kid was, she was not eating her meals. And when I, when I took over this, this case, She was already being saved by another OT who left the company. So that's why she was placed on my caseload and from what I was reading from the notes and everything, it seemed like it was like a sensory thing. So we were working on different types of sensory, um, components as well as, getting her used to like different textures and playing with her like different types of food. And after a few weeks I was mom was like, it's helping, but it's not really where I wanted to be. So what we did is mom and I sat down and I'm like, okay, tell me her schedule. Okay. She wakes up back at nine and she'll have breakfast around nine 30. Okay, perfect. What time does she eat lunch? Oh, she goes to take a nap at this time and she'll wake up around this time. So. So eat lunch at this time, which is like around three o'clock, 2 33 o'clock. Okay. What time does she eat dinner? Well, we eat dinner at around six and I'm like, well, there's your problem? You know, she eats this big breakfast at, in the morning, humongous breakfast, and then she kind of snacks all day. So she eats lunch cuz she just woke up and then she's not hungry for dinner. And so we kind of rearranged the schedule and that helped humongous. So, I'm gonna give you a list of, so I have like a couple of don'ts. This is where I tell parents, this is what we don't want to do. And let me know what you think do not make separate meals. Okay. Cause kids will just depend on you to like basically make a, make a separate meal. They'll get what they, what they want. And. If you decide to give them peanut butter and jelly sandwiches all the time, then they're not really getting their vegetables. They're not getting all their, nutrients. So also don't Bri, you don't want to be, oh, I'll if you eat all your, your food or you eat your vegetables, this is what you will get, because they're gonna expect that every time. So you want to stay away from, from that. Especially on the

Jon: 40:23

bribe. What I read was, um, if you're bribe with them with like a dessert or something sweet or something, then that's what more they fixate on and they want, and yeah.

Daniel: 40:33

Yeah. you don't wanna force'em to eat because then what's gonna happen is let's say like you, you get in a fight with your kid and about eating all their food and it turns into the shouting match and the kid's crying. Well, I guess what's gonna happen the next day. They're gonna remember what happened. The previous. And you're probably gonna be back where you're, you know, the kid's not gonna want to fight with you, so he's not gonna want to sit down. He's not gonna want to, to go down that road. So don't force him to eat. Cause like John said, you know, maybe they're not hungry and so you don't want to punish your child. Go ahead. I was

Jon: 41:16

gonna say that another thing that I read on that article was, um, forcing them to eat. Mm-hmm if they're not hungry or if they're full or anything like that, if it's even if it's a food, they like, you might traumatize them into not wanting it next time. Yeah. Because like Daniel said, they're gonna, they're gonna have that memory in the back of their head.

Daniel: 41:32

Yeah. Obviously don't punish your child. So again, you don't want to go to your room because again, too, it kind of goes back to what I just said. If the child's getting punished for not eating their food, then. you know, now you're gonna, they're gonna be dreading the next meal because they might not want to eat. And so now that could lead up to some other health issues and then, you don't want to, don't make them finish all their food, cuz it's a waste of their time and waste of your time and you don't want to have to deal with the stress anxiety of it. So yeah. So basically sounds like you would agree with like those don'ts

Jon: 42:12

yeah, yeah. I would definitely agree with them. I mean, forcing them to finish their food. I mean also if they're over eating, that's not healthy for them. So, um, so yeah, I would say, I definitely agree with. Okay. Um, what are, uh, what are some of the techniques that you guys tried with, uh, with your kids? Okay.

Daniel: 42:32

Well, I do have a couple of dues that I do recommend cuz again, one of the things that I work on with kids every day is. Feeding. So this is something, you know, we address as occupational therapists. So the first thing I, I recommend is choices. You want to give your kid choices? Now? I just, this might sound confusing, cuz I just said don't make separate meals. Correct, but correct. But let's say like you make pasta, right? You could tell'em would you like some red sauce with it or would you like some butter sauce on, on your noodles? So with Danny she prefers butter and she won't touch the red sauce. Not that she won't touch it, but she prefer butter sauce over the red sauce. Not a problem. She still eats the noodles

Jon: 43:24

real quick on a side note mm-hmm When did you discover butter with noodles?

Daniel: 43:30

Probably when I met Sherry, to be honest, I mean we never really had it when it was little kids. No,

Jon: 43:35

neither do I recall, like any cousins or friends or anything? Yeah. Having it. I, I didn't discover until I was older. Um, so for parents out there that never heard of that, if you just, you know, make possible how you normally would you throw some butter in there instead of the sauce, it, it melts and kind of gives it kind of like a little bit of a Coke. Um, it's delicious. You still throw a little pros on cheese on there, but that's something that, you know, some kids really enjoy.

Daniel: 44:00

Yeah. Yeah. I never, never had it, although I don't really like, I don't like can sauce. So like the jars you buy at the market, I don't like any of them. So I tend to go very, very, very light on my sauce. And so like, it's pretty much like butter, if you think about it, the butter. So, like John said, you want to change the textures, colors and shapes. This is where you have to be creative. Try to make it fun for your kids. And John said something about you. What did you said you cut the, the carrots a certain way?

Jon: 44:35

Uh, so I did not cut the carrots a certain way, but I did a whole bunch of bunny bit. Yeah. Just like took a bite of it and add up doc and, you know, had fun with it that way. Exactly. But yeah. Getting the, can the food into, yeah, like you said, different shapes and stuff. That's, that's very helpful. Yeah. There's

Daniel: 44:52

cookie cutters. You can maybe like maybe blend or mesh the vegetables, see if they might prefer that. So that's another option. Um, another option, another suggestion you wanna offer small amounts, right? So like mm-hmm, it's always better to give'em small and ask'em. If they want more, then rather give them all this food and they're not finishing it. You'd be. and so,, smaller portions definitely recommend that. And plus too, like I noticed, especially at this age, they're still figuring out like some sensory that's going on their body. So like, if you could say, give'em, let's say we're talking about posture, right? So like you give'em a, a bowl of pasta and they're, they're like, oh, this is good. And they're like, they like it and it's good. And they like that sensation. So they're just getting to want more and more and more, and they're gonna tend to overeat. And that's, and that's kind of normal because again, they're, they're figuring out like their sensory needs, but again, just play it safe, smaller portions, and then work your way up. One

Jon: 46:07

thing I've learned with, uh, with my kids is like, use that example. Um, if they have pasta and they finish the bowl, we ask them, no. Are you full or do you want more? And

Daniel: 46:19

They'll tell us, yeah.

Jon: 46:20

More please. We're like, no, I'm done. And so it's, I mean, that's just a good practice for them to look like GA said, listen to their body and go off their instincts.

Daniel: 46:30

Let's see. Okay. So this one is so it's so frustrating. Uh, back at my other job, I would tell parents, alright, let me ask you a question real quick. First. Go for it. How many times do you think a kid will have to be presented with something before they actually try it? And this is a to, again, this is not like Danny's age, right?

Jon: 47:01

Um, how many times would I have to present it before they're willing to try it. Mm-hmm um, I wanna say like two, three times

Daniel: 47:13

15 to 30 times on average. Yeah. That's my next guess. 15 on average. And I guess just always see the look on the parent's face is like, really like you gonna make me do this over and over and over again. And that's one of the things that's been an OT is that I'll present a different strategy for whatever reason could be feeding. It could be nighttime routine could be anything. And this is the strategy we're gonna use this week. Let me know how it goes when you come back next week. Okay. And then they come back. How did it go? Did you try the strategy? Well, we tried it one time and didn't work, so we never went back to it and it's like, doesn't work like that need to keep trying. So don't give up, just keep trying over and over again. And you know, eventually you see is key. Exactly. And then, also you want to bring your toddler into the kitchen with you. And I mean that literally let them, uh, get involved, let'em, with the cooking that they can pour something, let'em pour, let them see you cook with the food, let them get use of the textures and the smells, because if they see you prepare the food, then they know what they're getting themselves into. And then if they see, oh, mommy's eating that thing, she was cooking earlier. They might want to try it. So,, I highly bring the, the kid into the kitchen with you. Did you ever let your kids cook with you

Jon: 48:45

guys? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We've done cooking, baking. Um, they did a lot with

Daniel: 48:50

us. Yeah. They baked you a cake. Hope birthday cake. They did. And

Jon: 48:54

that was frosted you perfection. It was, uh, it was awesome, but, uh, It does really help when they get to go in the kitchen and actually help prepare it. They pay so much more attention to their plate when they know they worked on it. So, yeah,

Daniel: 49:10

absolutely. It's great to, and then I know a lot of old school parents won't agree with this, but let's the kids play with their food, let them get used to it, let them get familiar with it. And the sooner they get comfortable with something new, the sooner they'll try it. So I always encourage let them play with their food. Um, and if they're on the fence about, let's say you give'em Mac potatoes, okay. I'm just using the example, the give them mash potatoes and they don't really want to touch it, but then you're eating and you see them acknowledge it. And by touching it, make a big deal out of it like, oh, that's great. You're touching the potatoes. That's awesome. Kids love positive feedback. If they figure out like, oh, wait a minute. Everyone's sharing. When I touch this, let me grab a handful. Okay. Well, let me put this in my mouth and one step will lead to the other. So, um, yeah. Let your kids play with the food. No harm, no foul, right?

Jon: 50:19

Besides if clean up, but yeah. Yeah.

Daniel: 50:22

It's okay. I mean, kids are supposed to get messy. I mean, that's what they do.

Jon: 50:28

Yeah. That's who they are. Are

Daniel: 50:29

you guys, you guys freak out when they get dirty?

Jon: 50:34

I do not. No. Um, as far as like food and stuff? No, but, uh, outside, uh, my wife can a little bit.

Daniel: 50:46

Is that what

Jon: 50:47

my wife can a little bit, what do you mean? Like dirt

Daniel: 50:50

outside. Oh, okay. She's yeah, like, yeah. Okay. Now I actually encourage parents to. Sensory play. And we usually have like a big box, a big tote at work, which is like soil and dirt and they get the kids comfortable, put that texture. So, yeah. All right. So anything else you wanna add as far as pick eating?, one

Jon: 51:15

thing that I did implement with, uh, my oldest and then we're doing it with, uh, my second oldest and we'll do it with our third. Um, I do always let them know, try this. If you don't like it, then you can spit it out and you can say you don't like it, but if you don't try it, you cannot say you don't like it. And so, um, I've never really had a big battle where it was like, no, no, no, try this, try this. It's just, just, and I, I, I don't make a big deal of it. It's like, no, you gotta try this now. It's just like, all right, just put in your mouth. But if you don't like it spit out. It's no big deal. You'll have your couple waters right there. You can drink water right after. And, um, honestly I would say that it's been really positive where, uh, with my oldest now who's five. Um, if we him something new, he's like, I don't like this. I'll like, but you gotta try it. And that's literally pretty much all I have to say and he'll try it. And it's so funny to, oh, it's not that bad. I was like, right. It's not. Or sometimes he spits it out. I was like, I don't like that. I was like, okay. But you don't see anymore though. That's fine. But as long as you tried it, that's good. Good job. Yeah. Got off for him to try different things.

Daniel: 52:22

Yeah. Sounds like you got off flight. Yeah. all right. So that wraps up, picky eating. If, uh, we forgot something or if you have your own special tip, please message us at for two dash six podcasts. Um, okay. So before real quick,

Jon: 52:40

mm-hmm one last tip is if you're obviously not certain, if your child's eating up, call your, your.

Daniel: 52:49

Yeah., if any, any concerns, uh, please consult with your doctor? Cause they might benefit from speech therapy or occupational therapy. You come, I can come work with them. So plug in there. Yeah., okay. So before we get into dad draft real quick, John will be, posting something on Instagram. We see this will drop Wednesday, so let's do Friday and basically we're gonna have a, we're gonna try to recognize the best mom and best dad out there. So basically John's gonna have a post. that will describe the roles and what's at stake and what you can win on, um, from, from us. So, did you design, is it design complete? Yes. Okay,

Jon: 53:56

good. We're it's complete. It's awesome. Um, I'm, I'm definitely want to get one for my own. So there you

54:04

go

Daniel: 54:04

into the contest under a different name. I dunno. He, he would, he votes for himself. So I wanna keep an eye on that.

Jon: 54:12

voted for you too.

Daniel: 54:15

okay. So tonight dad draft the category is catchiest song. And since

Jon: 54:24

John's we go on record real quick, this is an extremely hard category for me, cuz pretty much any song gets stuck in my head. Okay.

Daniel: 54:34

Okay. Are you not making excuses already? I'm just saying

Jon: 54:38

this is not my, uh, expertise.

Daniel: 54:43

Okay. So would you prefer to go first or second? I will make that you pick

Jon: 54:49

no, no, you won last week. So you get to pick, we're not gonna break rules. I'm

Daniel: 54:53

gonna give you, I'm gonna defer. You can pick first.

Jon: 54:57

Okay. So I jot down a couple ones that I

Daniel: 55:02

thought people there's one song. There's one song. I think that if you get this right, it's it's over you win. No, I have

Jon: 55:11

no idea what that is. Okay. You can literally say one song right now and I'll say, yeah, that gets stuck my head.

Daniel: 55:14

Okay, go ahead. Um,

Jon: 55:19

I thought I have no idea on what songs to go with, but let's see on the go. Uh, oh, where's that one that I wrote. Um, don't stop believing. Okay.

Daniel: 55:37

That's a good pick, but it's not the pick I was thinking of journey believe. Okay. I'm gonna hold off on this pick until the, by next turn up to see if you can get it right. Cause I really want you to win this one. Okay. but if you gotta come back to me, I'm gonna take it., I'm sorry. It's gonna come back to you. All right. So the first, uh, first one I'm going on is, we will rock you by queen, Any song by queen is awesome. But I think once you hear it, you kind of have to join in you and it kind of stays with you for a little bit. And then, um, Hmm. I'm gonna go gang men style.

Jon: 56:29

I thought of that, but I figured no one really knows like all the lyrics to that. So I figured like you just kind of know the rhythm of it. Mm-hmm so that's why it deterred from that one.

Daniel: 56:42

Okay, go ahead. Um,

Jon: 56:46

one, I wrote down that I figured it was pretty popular is, um, what is love, baby? Don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. It is.

Daniel: 56:57

Okay. Good song. Good song. My other raspberry that's right.

Jon: 57:05

May you, you may. um, another one that I'm gonna go with is, uh, let's go with, um, beat it. Okay. Apple

Daniel: 57:22

Jackson. Okay. Yeah. Pick the song. I'm not, I think you just, I think you just lost because I was trying to think of one kid song that kids love and that parents get sick of. Do you know where I'm going with this baby shark, baby shark. I know with baby shark, um, off the board, can't believe you found, I gave you too many chances. Strike one, strike two, strike three.

Jon: 57:51

You're out. Not looking at kids

Daniel: 57:53

songs. Yeah. And then, Ugh, I'm gonna go with, uh, pal happy, cuz I'm happy. I want this week's de draft cause you're happy. Yeah.

Jon: 58:13

All right. What number are we on? Around

Daniel: 58:15

four. So this is your last two picks. Okay.

Jon: 58:21

I'm gonna go with a,

Daniel: 58:22

Hey ya. Oh, come on test. Yeah. All

Jon: 58:30

right. And the last one,

Daniel: 58:39

how,

Jon: 58:40

oh, what's the name of that one? I could hear it in my head. Gimme one second. Oh my gosh. All right. Um, okay. I can't think of the name of it. Let's just go with, uh, Uh, it's called milkshake. let's try a diverse, uh, diverse portfolio

Daniel: 59:30

here. Okay. Don't I want you to think of the song you wanted to pick. Okay. Um, I'm gonna go with the, the karma Camilla, Leon. Mm. You

Jon: 59:58

know that one? That's a good one. That's a good one. Like it suck head. Come back on back. Come back,

Daniel: 1:00:03

come back. Come give me the yacht. Come and go. You come and go. Okay. Did you think about the song? Uh, let me look it up. Cause I can't the name. Why don't you like come in? Maybe I can guess it. Um, actually,

Jon: 1:00:28

no,

Daniel: 1:00:28

this is the first Okay. So I'll tell you some of the ones that, um, I was thinking of, but I left off, uh, I actually wanted to go with, um, if you would've took, we will rock you with your first pick. I was gonna go with, uh, we are the champions. We, I don't think I'm gonna get stuck in people's heads. And then, um, I'm gonna be, I will walk

Jon: 1:01:00

500 miles. Oh yeah. That, that one get stuck.

Daniel: 1:01:04

yeah, that's a um, the one I kind of wanted, but I didn't think people would know the name of, so therefore I would've lost votes was, um, the final countdown. It's the fine count. Yeah. Um,

Jon: 1:01:24

yeah, I would've read that. I would've,

Daniel: 1:01:27

wasn't confident what song that, um, living on a prayer.

Jon: 1:01:31

That's the song. Okay. So was that, that was the song you were looking. That was the song that I was thinking of. Yeah. Okay. Cause I, I thought, uh, it was, I thought I picked it already for the first

Daniel: 1:01:42

pick. I'm gonna add it to the list. All right. As a birthday gift to you, happy birthday. I'll put the thing on a prayer gives you a fighting chance. Now take off my last one. Yeah.

Jon: 1:01:56

I, one that I was thinking and it was gonna be kind of a kudos to mal our sister, um, was UMBA.

Daniel: 1:02:05

Oh, that would've been yeah. Like people. Yeah, probably quite a class. She like that. Would've got you all three votes. All three votes. Like you would've been up three, nothing, four, nothing. If you would've taught you and those three votes, I'm telling you had

Jon: 1:02:19

any song I, you like, oh yeah, that get stuck my head. So it was totally hard for me to pick which songs to go

Daniel: 1:02:24

with. Um, do you know the time wrap song from Rocky JIA? Oh, time war. It's the time of, I don't think people remember that. So, but again, that's one of my favorites. I love Rocky horror. Sherry hates

Jon: 1:02:42

it. My boys, our boys listen at some the time.

Daniel: 1:02:45

Yeah. And then, um, Ooh, monster mash. So good about the, about that base about that

Jon: 1:02:54

base? No, I love about that base. So

Daniel: 1:02:58

as a, as dad draft, so yeah, I think that was pretty good think was pretty good. And. Yeah, I got no complaints. We'll see may the best man, when I

Jon: 1:03:10

wish you the best of luck. Okay. I'm due. So I hope you're, you can't get any sleep this week.

Daniel: 1:03:17

Hopefully see. Um, alright. Uh, think that's it. Anything else you need to add?

Jon: 1:03:24

Yeah. Last fun fact of, uh, of, of the shit. I would say, um, the Philippines are made up of 7,641 islands. And apparently that's not all the islands that are there on low tide there's sand bars, which is what they're called that, you know, arise. But, um, those aren't even counted in the, in the islands. So that was pretty cool to find

Daniel: 1:03:50

out. Okay. And I don't know if you noticed, but like we do have some listeners in the Philippines and. That's been that's actually, that's actually been growing, so hopefully correct back. Good fun fact to end the show, uh, from John and I thank you. And don't go changing.