Evolution or Revolution?

This week we welcome Johnnie and Iris, Executive producers of FetEvolution, a Dallas based fetish group and event planners to talk all about the importance of creating and maintaining community within the fetish lifestyle.

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CASEY 0:00

Well, welcome back to yet another episode of come with Casey. We are your hosts. I'm Dr. Casey Sanders

KARI 0:05

and I'm Carrie Sanders,

CASEY 0:06

and we've got a great episode in store for today. Look, one thing that we talk about. On almost every single episode we've ever done has been community. It's been about finding the people that, that vibe with you. It's about finding those spaces where you feel comfortable, where it's consensual, where you have good, trustworthy people that can really provide a good time for you. Right?

KARI 0:27

Yeah, absolutely.

CASEY 0:28

Awesome. Well, in, in doing that, we came across our two guests that we have today. Um, FET evolution that just had their inaugural event, what last month on, on four 20, right?

0:40

Yep.

CASEY 0:40

And Dallas. And so we want to welcome to the show, Johnny and iRIS, how are y'all doing today?

JOHNNIE 0:46

Good. How are you doing?

CASEY 0:49

Oh, we're doing great. Well, uh, first off, thanks for coming on the show and providing us with this, this information we're about to get out of you. Um, so I guess really happy to, obviously happy to, um, I guess, so let's go ahead and start diving right in now. You guys are not mature to, to the kink scene, correct?

OLIVIA 1:10

That's correct. Um, we initially started in to the kink scene back in our twenties, actually.

JOHNNIE 1:18

Um, back, I used to be a DJ in Memphis and, uh, her and I was both kind of involved with a couple of the clubs that we, you know, that I was DJing out of. And they was wanting to do something a little bit different or, you know, kind of change things up or whatever than the standard normal club scene at that time in Memphis and, uh, there was like, Hey, let's, let's do an event and it kind of. Brainstorm to what type of event and. Then it, through that brainstorming, it evolved into like, you know, kind of a kink type thing, and we had the opportunity with that particular club to, you know, kind of be part of the ground, ground floor of the initial events that they were doing. And over the course of the next like four years, they. Actually did like another half a dozen events and we were each time and another event came or that they did another event, we got different roles and positions and different parts of organizing and structuring and setting up the events and everything else. And it kind of, you know, evolved into, we was not necessarily executive producers at that time, but we was. Very well in the forefront of setting up and running the events and then doing the

CASEY 2:39

job without the title, right?

JOHNNIE 2:43

And then, um, you know, kids and nine to fives and dog and, you know, fast forward, uh, we decided that, you know, our kids are older now and the dog is self sufficient too. We're like, Hey, look, you know, why don't we get back into doing this again? And this was like last October and one thing led to another. It was like, fuck, let's do it. And we started putting things together and doing the things that we know to do as far as, you know, getting an event going and what it takes to do one. And one thing led to another, and it almost seems like a blur that five months. And it was. April 20th and like, shit, we got a show tonight. Here we go. So that's kind of how things come around.

KARI 3:35

Um, so I have a question then. So you,

CASEY 3:38

that's a lot to cover. It

KARI 3:39

is. And so we're first getting into the kinks, uh, or I'm sorry, into, into that lifestyle, may I ask what were, what were some of the ones that y'all were drawn to?

JOHNNIE 3:51

Uh, one of the, one of the kinks, one of the, as far as, um, that kind of drew us in. Yeah. Okay. Um, the, the BDSM side of kind of things where the exploring and experimenting with different types of, uh, stimulations, um, as far as like, you know, impact play that type of thing. It's a

CASEY 4:18

great one to get involved in.

JOHNNIE 4:19

Oh yeah, definitely. Um, we also. You know, some temperature plagues, some cold, some hot, that type of stuff. Um, also kind of incorporating that a little bit with the impact kind of exploring around with things. Um, and then I kind of got into some, what's, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, experimental and no, not, uh, any kind of master or anything like that, but kind of a novice side of doing. Um, Shabari to where I got to the point where I can do like, you know, some, some Karate's some, uh, some restraint, you know, like arm, uh, arm restraint, or like a knee, a knee restraint type tie, that type of stuff. Um, so between the, the BDSM and the Shabari is kind of what, you know, Peaked our interest and kind of took us down that road.

CASEY 5:13

Yeah, I know. Those are two things that we've seen such a rise in, um, especially in the last few years is Shabari is becoming a very popular one. In fact, like we, we teach a class on Shabari for, uh, for people to get an introduction to it. So I can get right on board with you. It's just something about the aesthetics as well as some of the power play that you can get into. Whenever it comes to something like Shabari or, and then a lot of the stuff, whatever it comes like the impact play, that's something that, that we participate in as well. And so in fact, some of our most fun times that we've had has been at parties where they'll have like, or they'll have, uh, something going on. Her first experience with impact play. Was

KARI 5:50

it was our, the, it was my, not only was it my first experience with impact play, but it was our first experience at a sex party.

JOHNNIE 5:56

Yes.

KARI 5:57

That was just a whole, whole new doors were open for us.

JOHNNIE 6:03

That's a lot. If you combine those two things at the same time for a first time, that's, that's definitely a lot. There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on there.

CASEY 6:14

We can say it's like kink journalism for us. So tell me a little bit more. You said that in the early days there were, y'all started setting up these, these kink events, uh, in the clubs and all that. What was the experience like of navigating those roads?

JOHNNIE 6:28

Um, well, we, uh, we worked with the club owners. Uh, it was actually the club owners that was doing the setups and that type of stuff. And, I would go in and, you know, to set up, do my DJ set up, do my gig that night or whatever, and I'll be sitting around talking with the owners, you know, as we kind of decided what type of event we was going to do, and then we started going through the dynamics and the actual logistics of, you know, putting that together and be like, Hey, do you know somebody that's a dom or a female? That's a dominatrix. Cause. We want to get one. Um, do you know anybody, you know, do you know somebody that knows somebody and it was kind of, which at that time it was really difficult. It was a lot of word of mouth because you didn't have Instagram. You didn't, I don't even think Facebook was on.

OLIVIA 7:18

It was very, it was a very much. underground scene. It wasn't all about getting

KARI 7:23

on Craig's list. Yeah.

JOHNNIE 7:26

I mean, you're going, you're going on my space one. Is anybody know a dominatrix? I mean, checking

CASEY 7:31

out people's top eight to see if you can see any details.

OLIVIA 7:35

And you had to know somebody who knew somebody.

JOHNNIE 7:37

So with, with working through those types of logistics and stuff, especially for the first It was, it took us almost like eight months. Well, that, and then you to, to put it on.

OLIVIA 7:49

Yeah. And then somebody had to like vouch for you to get you into the scene. Yes. It wasn't, you couldn't just walk into a scene. Like you had to have somebody that you to get you in.

JOHNNIE 8:00

Right. Um, where we kinda helped us out a lot was the fact that I did have, you know, a following as far as with my DJing and that type of stuff. There was actually folks that come to the club. Just because I was DJ, I mean, not a brag or anything like that, but, um, so I started relying on those types of resources going, Hey, look, uh, this might seem kind of weird, but you wouldn't happen to know anybody that likes to spank people. Okay. What's that really? It sounds kind of funny, but it was very, very beneficial to. You know, myself and to the club owners utilizing that, uh, audience or that club, regular base that we had, um, there was a ton of resources there and we found out, you know, somebody happened to have a cross and we're like, Okay, maybe we'll get one of those and throw it in the corner over here. And then, you know, somebody else knew somebody that liked to be tied up and you know, it was just kind of gradually one person at a time, one. Thought at a time or what I did at a time and working through it, um, and then bringing it all together for that, for that night, for the actual show. It

OLIVIA 9:21

was very much about pushing boundaries.

JOHNNIE 9:24

Definitely.

OLIVIA 9:24

Um, more so now because I think that fit and kink is more accessible. That's good now than it was back then. Yeah.

CASEY 9:33

That's something that we've, we've had discussion on before is the fact that you're, you're talking about a time whenever it was all still very much underground where it wasn't okay to come out and do it in the, in the regular public and being like, Hey, guess what? Everybody, I love leather wear and I love getting beat with

JOHNNIE 9:49

I'll be real honest with you. I mean, compared to our very first one that we was involved in and compared to the one that, uh, We, we just finished. Instagram was, oh wow. That was a lifesaver because I'll be honest with you. I don't know if we could go back to Myspace and try and put it together now. Yeah. Facebook was very, very helpful. Um, Instagram, those different types of platforms. People, deep

OLIVIA 10:21

alum, people on Fitlife. That just the community was so welcoming. And, you know, I really appreciate them and everything that they did for us.

KARI 10:33

Yeah. And we're begging for events like this to happen. So really, thank you.

JOHNNIE 10:37

Yeah, for real.

KARI 10:38

There needs to be more. And

JOHNNIE 10:41

It's not a one off there. We're already in the process of which maybe we can, you know, test based on this a little bit later, but we're definitely on in the process already of getting the next one together.

CASEY 10:53

Good. Well, send that and hang out with you guys in person. Um, I know that one of the things that you had just said ours was that, um. You're talking about the community, right? And this is a, this is a question we get all the time. People that are, um, I mean, if he, if you're a first time listener, then you need to hear that this show that we primarily do is about introducing people into, into the kink community, introducing people into, into new experiences. And one of the most important things that we can tell people all the time is how. How paramount it is to start to build some sort of circle, start to introduce yourself to people and everyone's start sitting back going, well, I don't even know how to start doing that. What am I supposed to do? And, you know, they'll sit back and say, well, I heard you're, I'm supposed to go on fat life. And we always say like, have a little disclaimer, whatever it comes to things like that life to make sure that you you're checking the people out who are talking with you, make sure you're looking for green flags. And so I would love to hear from you guys about what y'all's advice would be to people who are trying to get inserted into a community. Um, maybe some things that they should look for and the people that they're interacting with, and maybe some things that might be a little bit of a red flag, like, Hey, um, if somebody is interacting in a certain way, uh, that you might look for a different community.

OLIVIA 12:07

Well, I think that, um, it's more, I mean, if you're starting out, I would think to, um, definitely go to events and, um, start kind of Experiencing some of these events and what they're about. Um, I think three of the main things that you have to have in the community is going to be trust, safety, and mutual respect. Yes. And as long as you have those three, I think you're going to be able to navigate fine, just fine within the community. Um,

JOHNNIE 12:43

my, my best advice was she's 100 percent correct, but I think. From my experiences, everything starts with communication. Okay. You have to have these clear lines of what your boundaries are and you have to be able to express or convey to that person that you're looking at to be a potential. Um, to potential potential dog, to a potential rigger, uh, some of that nature there to have these conversations with these individuals and see what they're about, see what makes them tick, see, you know, where they are and how they've grown and then sit back and evaluate that. Is that, is if that is somebody that you could, Move forward with, or if you need to step back and evaluate the next individual. It's forgive the expressions, kind of like a job interview. Um, you gotta know what that person is bringing to the table and whether it kind of gels with you and where you are at in your mentality, in your space. And once you start identifying those things, then you turn around and you start asking those individuals, those more specific, more key or BDSM or more voyeur type, uh, space questions to further, you know, extend that communication, extend those and get past some of those barriers. Um, and then like she said, go to events and stuff like that. So have these questions, kind of have these different mentalities and thoughts in mind. Whenever you go to these events and take things slow, don't rush into anything.

14:44

Okay.

JOHNNIE 14:45

Make sure you feel safe, make sure you feel comfortable. Make sure you have the answers to those questions that you have. And if you have any doubts, you always have time. Okay, you can't go fast enough to crash. Okay, so take things one step at a time. Go on your pace, your mentality. And where you're comfortable. And like I said, forget the expression, check your boxes. Okay. And if a box is not being checked, then maybe we need, you know, kind of look at what's going on and why, or what process we need to do or questions we need to ask. In order to get that box check to move forward comfortably.

KARI 15:30

Yeah, I mean, I totally agree. And one of the things that I already said that really stuck out too, uh, is going to an events. So if someone has never been to a kink event and let's talk about yours, what could someone expect to see at this type of event?

OLIVIA 15:47

Um, I think it depends on the type of event, because we're plotting and planning constantly on, you know, the different types of events that we can bring our 1st event was very. I don't want to use the word mild, but it was definitely like the inaugural event, like, you know,

CASEY 16:09

testing the waters. And that was the evolution event that happened on April 20th, right?

OLIVIA 16:14

That's correct. Um, so we had, you know, a lot of latex, like the, the, The attendees were absolutely stunning. Um, the performers were, I mean, above, went above and beyond. And so, but I think we didn't have, um, there was no intercourse. No, there was, um, I mean, I don't want, we had a mobile dungeon, so there was some impact play. Um, but yeah, like I said, it just depends on the type of event because we are definitely. Like planning more and

CASEY 16:52

more. And there's that big separation that we have of people in the, in the world of kink, where it's like, there's a difference between having a play party versus having like an expo event with filled with vendors and performances and those, Those are for the, for a most an everyday day to be able to attend some of these events where it is, if you want to, you can enter into a mobile dungeon where there's going to be a St. Andrew's cross and some spanking benches and various tools to try out as well as instructors to maybe be like, here's how you would do this or even introduce people. And at the same time, you can go out and into the event floor and see, you know, a Shabari performance, or you can see maybe a pole dancing performance. What are some of the performances? Who are some of the performers that you guys had at y'all's first event?

JOHNNIE 17:37

Um, well, we had, uh, we had Brianna. She was our, uh, artistic director. Yeah. Um, and she, she also did a performance. We had Iliad who'd come up from Austin, Texas. And he did a led pole performance.

OLIVIA 17:58

Oh, cool. Um,

JOHNNIE 17:59

we had Carissia.

OLIVIA 18:01

Yes. She was, um, a pole performer.

JOHNNIE 18:04

She was our, one of our ambiance pole performers. Um, then we had Mr. Juggles. He did an led pole. juggling, strip juggling, striptease.

KARI 18:17

Oh, fun.

JOHNNIE 18:19

That was, it was, it was amazing. That sounds

CASEY 18:24

like a good show to see.

JOHNNIE 18:26

Oh yeah, most definitely. Uh, we had, you know, certain expectations and that type of stuff in my mind and his performance, we were. Yeah, it far surpasses the case.

OLIVIA 18:38

I'm so sorry. I know we're going to miss somebody. I just apologize in advance. We had a contortionist.

JOHNNIE 18:45

Yes, we had, um, fire tire,

OLIVIA 18:47

fire tiger.

JOHNNIE 18:48

She was a contortionist. Um, and then we had,

OLIVIA 18:53

uh, I mean, it was so many. It was so,

CASEY 19:01

I mean, I would probably say that if, if anybody needs to, like, wants to look at the whole list, is there a place where they could go to you?

JOHNNIE 19:07

Yes. You can go to, uh, and it has all the performers. It also has all the vendors that we had. Also on Instagram, DJs that was there. Um, and then also, as you said, uh, was it bad

OLIVIA 19:24

evolution on Instagram?

KARI 19:28

Oh yeah. We will be tagging all of this stuff for, for everyone listening to this. So don't worry. Yeah, we will be tagging your website, your Instagram page, everything that you give us, we will tag within this. So everyone hearing can head over to y'all's page to see y'all stuff.

JOHNNIE 19:43

Absolutely. Always. Yeah, that would be great. Thank you so much.

CASEY 19:46

So, then, in terms of, of Fed Evolution and the, the trajectory that it has, where do you guys hope to see this?

JOHNNIE 19:56

Where do we hope to see it headed? We hope to see it headed to doing a minimum of at least three productions a year with one of them being a major production, which tentatively we're looking at scheduling our next major production for on or around. April 19th, 20th around there to kind of make it a yearly thing about the same time every year. And then we're looking at doing a couple of like the rest of this year, we're looking at doing a couple of more intimate, uh, 100, 150 attendee. Uh, a little bit different, not say thing, but a little bit different approach to the fetish thing. Um, maybe touching on a voyeur kink or touching on a, uh, what? Um, foot fetish, foot fetish kink or a temperature, kind

CASEY 21:04

of being just

JOHNNIE 21:06

as inclusive as we are as in the, with our events in our productions, also be inclusive with the different types of productions that we do and give, try and give each aspect of the, of the kink. King nation per se, you know, a little, a nod to the foot fetish, a nod to the temperature play, so on and so forth.

OLIVIA 21:34

Yeah. As producers, we, we definitely saw that there is a need for a need for a platform for artists as well. I mean, not only for the community, but a lot of the artists don't have the platform to create, um, these new types of talent or express their talent. So that's the other thing is we wanted to provide that for local artists as well.

JOHNNIE 22:03

Yeah. Give them an opportunity to display. I mean, these artists, these performers work so hard. Okay. Um, putting these acts together and presently right now, there's a very, very limited, you know, outlet for them to turn around and display those acts. And you know, we want to

OLIVIA 22:23

so many of the artists for like, thank you so much for allowing me to do this performance. I've had this performance in my head for a while.

JOHNNIE 22:32

So, so giving that next or giving that additional outlet and, um, It's definitely valuable to the community and to the performers themselves, but also giving them the opportunity or putting it in the mindset to sit there and go, you know what, I haven't ever done a foot fetish act. I wonder if I could. Okay. Cause now I have a place and opportunity or somebody that I could go to that does events and goes, Hey, look, are y'all looking at doing some type of event here where I might be able to work on this performance. And have some place to perform it. Okay.

CASEY 23:12

So if I'm, if I hear that correctly, it sounds like y'all are trying to give a, an open platform for people to experiment with their performances. Yeah. If they're limited to certain type of performance that they can come to you and say, listen, I know that I've done performance a, I'd really like to try out, like you're saying, maybe a foot performance or something different. And you're able to go great. Bring it on. Let's see what you have and clear it for, for the show.

KARI 23:34

I mean, I like the idea of what you're saying though, and having these like many events that are like aimed event, almost like this event, we're going to be honoring, you know, temperature played exclusively and then having performers come out that do heat play performances and education on it. I mean, honestly, that's. That could be pretty darn cool to do something like that, because I feel like a lot of these events that we've heard of, it's this big production, which is great, but I've not heard of little like micro productions before. That would be really cool.

JOHNNIE 24:08

One of the things that we're working on right now is an individual that has a hot wax performance. And we're also toying with another idea that, um, we actually have somebody. That we have communicated with that does this type of thing. And that's going to be the, uh, what is it? The hook fetish where you, um, you hook do hooks into, uh, into your skin and you suspend from the hooks. Yeah. Yeah. Skin suspension. Uh, I just drew a blank. Um, so yeah, we're actually looking at incorporating, um, a couple of those performances into. So many events that we're in discussion on.

CASEY 24:58

Well, that's really cool. You know, I mean, some of the events that we've seen around, it's funny that you mentioned wax play. That's what we, uh, a big one that we went to in Dallas in fall of last year where they had a stage set up and a big wheel that you spun and pure got wax play. And so there was a couple of, a couple of people that just sat her down and just started pouring wax for about 10 minutes in front of a crowd of about 150, 200 people.

KARI 25:23

I had wax in places for a few days after that, I was like, how am I still finding wax on me? Like, that's a whole different aftercare right there. That was so, yeah, I was at the event too. Afterward, I learned, I just had wax all over me. It was fun though. It was, it

25:42

was really

CASEY 25:42

fun. But it's great for those people listening that are like, you know, what are you. It was like wax play or something. It can be such a really cool spectacle to see and can be a really, uh, erotic thing to participate in

KARI 25:52

because I had no idea I was interested in wax play until I got to experience it. Absolutely.

CASEY 25:57

Absolutely. Let's see what about exhibitionism?

JOHNNIE 26:00

As event producers. Okay. We want, we want to do these types of productions or these little micro events or whatever to give the community the opportunity to not only. see what else is out there, but also give them the opportunity in a safe environment where they could learn more about it, where they could possibly even experience it. Um, and, uh, grow not only with themselves, okay, but with other people in the event, okay. Cause there's a lot of folks that don't even know, or ever even been exposed to, you know, a type of wax play or a type of foot fetish and bringing awareness to this and including in some of our more smaller event, more intimate events.

OLIVIA 26:51

Facilitates opportunities for individuals to connect and explore.

JOHNNIE 26:55

Absolutely.

CASEY 26:57

Okay. Well, I love that. I want to see somebody like dipped in their whole body, dipped in wax. Let them just like dry over the course of two hours,

KARI 27:06

you know,

JOHNNIE 27:09

We might put that on the agenda for later this year. If you'd be the one to get it,

CASEY 27:14

my claustrophobia would not handle can

KARI 27:20

barely be in a sleeping bag. Much less

JOHNNIE 27:23

we're different here today,

CASEY 27:26

but people in positions just dip them in a whole vat of. I actually just let them dry like that.

JOHNNIE 27:31

Oh yeah. That'll be awesome.

KARI 27:32

We're creating events whenever y'all looking for a place to have a host an event like this, what are some of the things that you look for? Cause you can't just do this anywhere

JOHNNIE 27:43

anchor point.

KARI 27:45

Oh my God. Right. Yeah, that's a good point.

JOHNNIE 27:51

This is so funny. I mean, you know, a lot of folks go into like a restaurant or to a bar or something like that and like, Oh, this is a nice ambiance, you know, I love the colors and motif her and I are looking at the ceiling going for something we can tie on to. Yep. That, and there's so many,

OLIVIA 28:09

I mean, we got turned away how many times? It's unbelievable. Oh,

JOHNNIE 28:13

yes.

OLIVIA 28:14

Because people think like, we're literally just getting in a pile and just screwing each other. Like,

KARI 28:21

I don't Why is that always what they assume? It is, we rarely do that.

OLIVIA 28:26

Very rarely. It's like, there's no penetration going on. But for some reason everybody, you know, when you say fetish evolution, it's like, Oh, you're just going to have sex with each other all over my venue. It's like, no, that's

CASEY 28:38

not what we do. That's reserved for Friday. We don't

JOHNNIE 28:43

do that on Tuesday.

CASEY 28:46

Yeah, there's, there's

KARI 28:47

a lot. But y'all do have some venues. I'm sorry, but y'all know that do turn y'all away there. There'll be like, no, this isn't going to be a thing for us

JOHNNIE 28:55

a lot, a lot more than what

OLIVIA 28:58

you would think.

JOHNNIE 28:58

Definitely. Um, well, her and I like to call it. They try to make money with remorse and values. Um, and so which I get it, there has to, you know, there's going to have to be an opening or a place for, you know, all the different, um, types of events that go on and stuff, but there, and it is, it is Texas. So we

OLIVIA 29:19

talked about how, you know, it's more accepted now than it was, you know, back when we started, but it. Also, I mean, the other side of that coin is that it's not so much as you would think.

JOHNNIE 29:29

No, it's not because the ones that are going, Oh, no, we can't do this is family orientated. Are the same ones that, you know, you might see at one of our events, which that's perfectly fine. Okay. We, we include everybody.

CASEY 29:45

Well, so is there, whenever y'all do find a venue and you go to that, is there like special permitting that you have to go through, like special red tape? You have to try to get around to just to even have these events in the first place.

OLIVIA 29:57

Um, it depends, I think, on the city ordinances. Um, we have just recently came across another venue that, um, outside of city limits, the city that we're looking at is doesn't allow that within certain bounds. So we are going to have to be outside, but this event does include penetration. So I think that that's 1 of the biggest. I don't know taboos, I guess out there

JOHNNIE 30:27

as far as far as the city officials, the, the, the event, um, department C, Dallas has like a whole entire apartment that's dedicated specifically to special events. Um, a lot of people don't know that you technically in order to be legal, you actually have to be. A licensed, um, event promoter or producer with the city of Dallas in order to promote an event. So, uh, yeah, you have to, you've got to look at the ordinances. And I mean, I spent a lot of time looking at the city of Dallas is a book of especially events. Cause I mean, it covers everything from parking to, you know, alcohol, that type of stuff. So there, there's a lot involved. It's not just, Hey, look, that's a cool building in there. Call the DJ don't work like that.

CASEY 31:22

Yeah, absolutely. That's something that we have experienced with as well. And I know that, I mean, it would come down to it being that it would be a sexually oriented person. So a sexually oriented event, and then there's a whole nother special book centered around like anything to do with that and they come down hard. Yeah,

KARI 31:39

I mean, what do you tell your insurance company what you do? You know, well, so we, um, uh,

JOHNNIE 31:48

yeah, I mean, it can definitely be very, very challenging. I mean, just to ask Pornhub. I mean, Hey.

CASEY 31:56

Sorry to see them go from Texas. Yeah, no doubt.

JOHNNIE 31:59

Um, but it's, it can be done and you're right. Texas does have some challenging, um, rules and regulations or whatever, but it's, it's really not that difficult to navigate. You just have to be cognitive and aware of. And like my wife says, no, he's half the battle. So, uh, if you know what the problem is, the solution is just around.

OLIVIA 32:25

I know how to word it.

JOHNNIE 32:26

Yeah. Know how to verbalize it. That's what I was going to say. I

KARI 32:29

guarantee it has to be an all in just how you word things.

CASEY 32:33

And then once you learn it, once you get past that, I would imagine it kind of is just a lot of work to put in to get there. And then for them on events can become a little bit easier to plan.

OLIVIA 32:43

Oh, yeah, you would think like, yeah, definitely, definitely.

JOHNNIE 32:49

Um, well, what are the challenges with the event or the approaches that we're taking? I mean, could we put another FedEx evolution together? Yeah, we can have one ready to go in probably 60 days. But where our challenge is, will we do another fetish evolution? Yeah, we will. But that's April of next year. Okay. So let's do a different event. So it's almost like starting all over again. Cause you need different performers. You're going to need different types of vendors. You're going to need. You know, a different type of DJ. Okay. Maybe even a different type of an MC or even what I haven't seen.

KARI 33:28

Are you telling me that you're not stripping DJing up there? H each time. That's just, we need to see it.

OLIVIA 33:36

I know

JOHNNIE 33:37

I'll see if I can find a DJ that, you know, um, doesn't have a problem with, you know, being at least in a banana catcher, you know,

KARI 33:48

Well, are you that dj?

JOHNNIE 33:50

Uh, not dj. When I DJ it was actually had like a chaos pad and actually had, you know, turntables, they do stuff with computers now though.

OLIVIA 34:00

And we were, I mean, we were just running around like mm-Hmm. crazy people. Um, I imagine four 20 mm-Hmm. So I could, I, I honestly don't remember half of the night, and it's not because I was intoxicated, because I didn't even drink. It was because I was just going like a hundred miles an hour.

JOHNNIE 34:19

Yeah. I mean, it was from the latex labs to the vendor up to the show, not to look at the show, but make sure everything's okay. And then turn right back down to, you know, over to the door to, yeah, it was. I think maybe her and I actually sat down together for like 25, maybe 30 minutes and watched a portion of one performance. And that was it. I waved at her a couple of times when I passed her in the hallway the entire night.

CASEY 34:55

Yeah, that's it. Look, I've been in the same place before with going and running behind the scenes of events where you don't really catch much of anything. You spend all your time making sure everyone's happy, making sure things are flowing, make sure that like any officials that are there are getting what they need and get the hell out.

JOHNNIE 35:11

Yes, definitely. And. Wow. We was actually wanting to incorporate a fire, a fire performance and that that's a whole nother

CASEY 35:23

say fire marshal on that one's got to be,

JOHNNIE 35:27

so, uh, yeah, I can only imagine how things would have been if we'd had the city of Dallas on set with the fire marshal and everything else, in addition to everything that we was having going. You know, fire

CASEY 35:40

marshal would be. Briefing of your event later, be like, okay, so here's what I

KARI 35:47

saw. Now, what would happen is the firefighters would just be there and saying that like, well, Oh no, we're here just in case it's just because we need to be here.

CASEY 35:57

Sign up sheet.

KARI 35:58

Exactly.

JOHNNIE 36:00

That, that was a little hint right there. Cause, uh, we are actually discussing a. Fire and ice temperature play event is kind of on the table top right now for particularly later on in the year.

KARI 36:14

That sounds like

CASEY 36:15

fun. That would be cool to see. Yeah, definitely. I mean, performances online of people doing fire play and some of the stuff they can do. Any things like actually using, uh, some of the, the foam or oils on skin that you can light all the way to like fire twirling and performances could be really, really cool to see.

OLIVIA 36:35

Butane bubbles is another aspect of it that we wanted to bring in.

CASEY 36:39

We have a few people we follow that do the butane bubbles.

JOHNNIE 36:43

Well, our, uh, artistic director actually has a shibari. Um, actor performance that she's really, really dying and wanting to do. And the person that she. Uh, her rope bottom towards the end of the performance. She actually uses the butane approach and sets them up.

CASEY 37:06

That's cool. That just sounds like a fun event. Sign us up for that one. We will

JOHNNIE 37:11

be there. It may,

CASEY 37:13

it

JOHNNIE 37:13

may not, you know, actually come about this year. It may be something that we have to. You know, push off to next year cause there's, there's a lot of working parts with that one.

37:26

Yeah. So,

JOHNNIE 37:27

uh, but it's definitely something on the tabletop we're discussing and bring on artistic director. She's not going to let that one die. She's she's going to good until she gets that.

CASEY 37:38

Well, Brianna, when you listen to this, keep it going, don't ever let it go and make it happen.

KARI 37:44

Well, I mean, and we also know a gentleman that's opening up a facility in Norfolk worth, maybe it'd be something just to put y'all two in connection, but he is, it's a Shabari studio, but he is hoping to. Creative events, host events and doing stuff. And we actually went and saw him the other day and the space is amazing. It's absolutely amazing. There's so much, they're doing a stage. So there's going to be areas for on the stage. There's going to be areas for like seating and hanging out. He's creating a quiet space. So if individuals want to go and kind of like separate out and just talk and get away from everything. Um, and I, I believe it's also outside city limits. Yeah. So it could be something that I'm like, how

CASEY 38:28

much are we allowed to sit? I know, but it could

KARI 38:31

be just to maybe away from this, make that connection. And then maybe, you know, something can work out for y'all. But, and that was one of the reasons why I asked, cause we, we spoke with him about how difficult it was to get a space going and yeah, it's not easy. It is not easy. And, and again, if our episodes about community and trying to build that up. Like, maybe that'll be a great connection for, for y'all, you know,

JOHNNIE 38:55

we would definitely be able to, I mean, please, uh, strongly encourage shoot us an email, um,

KARI 39:01

or at least give that

JOHNNIE 39:03

individual our contact and say, Hey, look, get back with them. They're looking forward to talking with you. Um,

OLIVIA 39:09

yeah, we're always open to

JOHNNIE 39:10

class. Yeah. Most definitely collaborations.

OLIVIA 39:13

One of our goals is to eventually get a venue. Yes. Right now, because we're just starting, we're kind of having to look for more creative types of venues. Yeah. Um, but that is one of our goals as well. To actually have our own fricking one of that.

JOHNNIE 39:31

Yes. Um, I remember there is, we would like to, and we actually, even in the beginning, um, we decided, or we determined that we wanted to be able to utilize and produce our productions all over the Metroplex. We did not want to be limited to just, you know, deep L or to Dallas, which there's a strong community based on misunderstanding. Damn it. We'll always be doing productions and stuff in develop, um, in, in that Dallas area, but we also would like to come to Fort Worth. We would love to bring stuff to Fort Worth. Cause there is a lot of people over here. There is a large community base over here in Fort Worth. We would like to expose ourselves to them and give them the opportunity for that same inclusiveness for that same safe space. To be able to experience and explore their keys is what we provided to Dallas.

CASEY 40:35

I like it. Oh, shoot. I mean, this has been a great interview. We really appreciate you guys for coming on. So if people want to get in touch with you, they require about being a performer or attending one of your events. Um, how, how do they find you guys?

OLIVIA 40:50

Definitely, um, you can reach out to us. Our email is right on the website. Um, There's opportunities to volunteer, um, for performers. Like you can sign up right on the website.

JOHNNIE 41:04

Yeah. Also go to, uh, that evolution at Instagram and you can message us direct right there. And, uh, we actually communicated with some of the performers, a lot of the performers in preparation for the event. Um, they was. Promoting us and stuff on their instagrams and tagging us and we was communicating back and forth with those types of issues. Um, they actually sent some of their performances directly to our instagram and we kind of got an idea of what they was capable of doing, kind of what they was bringing to the table. So yeah, the website and the instagram bottle.

CASEY 41:43

Awesome. And I'm assuming same thing with vendors. If they are looking to a place to, to kind of push some of their products and things, they can sign up as vendors with you guys for your events and set up a table and do as they are

JOHNNIE 41:57

most definitely. Um, we are our baseline. Um, we actually, uh, When we got to Dallas and stuff, we actually started in the vendor base. We, uh, we do the outdoor market at, um, deep Ellen on a regular basis. We do Bishop art. So bending is definitely something we're no stranger to. And as being vendors and actually producing our own vendor events. I love to have the opportunity to get back to give back to other vendors and stuff and provide them the space and the platform to sell their products as long as it, you know, Fish and it goes in line with the fetish and kink. The fetish and kink and the type of event that we're doing at the time.

CASEY 42:44

Well, we, we appreciate you guys. Irish Johnny. Thank y'all so much. And thank you for, for creating this, this evolution. This thing that you guys have in mind, um, we encourage anybody that needs to like reach out to these guys, as they said, that evo. com we still find them on Instagram at evolution. You can find all of their links, um, in the, in the notes below. So for another episode of come with Casey, we're your hosts. I'm Dr. Casey Sanders

KARI 43:09

and I'm Carrie Sanders. We'll

CASEY 43:11

see y'all next time.