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Knotty Bi Nature
Satirical Erotica with Author Jade Greene
This week we sat down with the author of the Disorderly Conduct series: Jade Greene. Jade has published 2 books in the series with a third on the way.
We wanted to get an inside look on her process and how she can draw inspiration from steamy personal stories to aid in her writing. You DO NOT want to miss this!
Jade Greene's Socials
Well, good afternoon, Kummy Bears.
Kari:Oh, we haven't used that in forever.
Casey:We have not, and we want to try to bring it back.
Kari:I think we want to, but it also doesn't go with our branding anymore. How we have to take come out.
Casey:Does it?
Kari:You say you start with gummy bears. I don't know. It just got me feeling a certain way, but you know, good news. We are still working on a rebranding, but it's not taking us away from the show. Um, if you've. Been following us online. You'll notice we've been kind of like building back our activity up really working to just deal with the censorship that we have at hand and working to Get in the ass with something different
Casey:Kind
Kari:of kind of well because I didn't realize I was gonna end up saying that but anyways, how are you?
Casey:I'm good How's your
Kari:mouth?
Casey:Why do I sound funny?
Kari:A little bit.
Casey:I need like, I need a pop filter in front of my, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And why do
Kari:you sound silly?
Casey:I currently have a set of Invisalign in that I just started yesterday. Yeah.
Kari:Welcome
Casey:to the club. Mouth is feeling toasty.
Kari:So, um, I'm sure I've talked about it. Get or give. Oh, you keep saying that you're gonna, but yes, he's not They're very soft, they're very soft. Um, so I actually went through a round of braces about a year ago and Huge, huge changes, but I had to give up on it for a minute. It was a lot. I was getting fricking sick of it. And so we had kind of had this like discussion that, you know what? I'm going to restart because you also wanted to go ahead and get yours worked on. So we, uh, went before our trip to Mexico, which we're going to get to. Um, we went before, got everything set up and lit it was literally like two days after we got back,
Casey:we got them in.
Kari:It's cute though. We we're doing it together.
Casey:Yeah. See my nice smile right now.
Kari:I mean they're Invisalign. You don't really see much.
Casey:I feel like mine can be seen. My teeth look wider right now than they have yours.
Kari:Yeah, they do. They do do that. And I cheated. Mine are only on the bottom. They were trying to have me on top and bottom and I was like, absolutely not. I am drawing finger top because stay on the
Casey:subject of giving and getting head with, oh you do
Kari:Invisalign, you do like it when I gave you head with Invisalign in, I mean,
Casey:anybody that's ever received a below your partner has Invisalign in knows. It's actually quite nice.
Kari:It's soft.
Casey:It's a lot softer.
Kari:It's really soft. And then for me, like as the one like giving, it does alter how I give head too. Like, I don't know, it's like this nice little barrier that you kind of have. Your
Casey:teeth aren't sharp anymore.
Kari:I know and my teeth can be pretty fucking sharp.
Casey:So I'll be curious to see what it's like to give you head.
Kari:Yeah. Have
Casey:you ever given head? To a woman with Invisalign in
Kari:Mm, I don't think so. They're always out. I would always take'em out. Yeah, I would always take'em out. Wasn't for me, but hey, you know what, with you totally different situation. Oh God,
Casey:Find out how that works. I'm just gonna
Kari:have to keep these afterwards just to like, it fulfilled the kink that's created, baby.
Casey:Go get the Invisalign.
Kari:Go get those Invisalign for me. Oh my God. Anyways. What else happened in our lives lately? I
Casey:feel like you're leading me on here.
Kari:I'm always leading you on. It's a tease. Life is a tease. Uh, we went to Mexico. We went to Mexico. It was so much fun. Oh, we had a fucking blast. Where are we at? Uh, elegance, majestic.
Casey:Majestic
Kari:elegance. How long do you think it'd throw all these S's out there? Why do you think I'm having you say it? You're doing much better. You're doing much better. Until you do that. I
Casey:feel like if I just put on an act, it'll, it'll maybe help out.
Kari:We'll go back and listen to this first time or first episode with you having men, and then we'll listen like, you know, months from now and you're going to sound a lot better. You do get adjusted to it. I promise. Um, but anyways, yeah, we went to a majestic elegance in, in Cancun. Um, We were there for what? Four days. Yeah. Four days. And we didn't, we didn't do shit.
Casey:No, this is the first vacation we've been on in years that didn't revolve around some sort of business training, marketing training, or seminars or kids, kids. This is the first one gone in a while.
Kari:I mean, technically. You just took all those out, right? This is only our second trip together. Then honestly, like, yes, it is. This is only our second time being together alone. That did not have to do with business or children or family, right? So this was our second time. And the first time that we went, it really was for our, obviously our honeymoon, um, and, and it was an okay time. It was just, uh, It was, that's why I kind of hesitated on saying it because that is technically what we did it for, but it just happened to be five years later. And then it happened to be during like COVID.
Casey:It was, it was like fall of 2020. And so the, even the trip, everything was mask on the plane, mask at the resort, like COVID tests. Nothing was hardly open. Yeah. Each was closed cause there was some fucking, oh my God.
Kari:Of all the times for us to fricking go, it was the one time that you couldn't even go on the water. So we were really stuck to just. The pool and, and, and we, it was a very, very nice resort. Don't get me wrong.
Casey:Yes.
Kari:It was absolutely amazing. Um, but yeah, we just didn't get to like experience that much, but we did go on like an excursion. And I think that's why I think that's why we decided this time that we didn't want to do any of that.
Casey:This time was, I'm going to last on the beach and 30 margaritas
Kari:and do, and just do nothing. Like it was such a good time. Um, meet
Casey:people and hang out. We met some people.
Kari:We did we met we met some really cool people. Um, we met shots, which fuck that guy. Fuck that guy. Constant.
Casey:I think they have the podcast now. So maybe that was the episode. Yeah.
Kari:And they'll know I'm talking. I
Casey:was the one that was giving everybody shots over and over and over again. Look,
Kari:I only lost four hours of one day. And a phone on my charger, plugged into
Casey:the wall,
Kari:lost it, dude. I, I, we had a great time though. We did stuff in our plunge pool that we
Casey:fucked
Kari:everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, including on the beach. Oh my God. We got to fuck on the beach. It was amazing. Yeah, because when you go out there, like all of the like canopies and the different like beds and stuff, they remain. And I was like, okay, sold, but you walk out there and like, there's no guards, there's no, like, so it is kind of like enter at your own risk, but whatever, I don't give a shit. We were fine. And we went into like one at first and then. Like moved over to like this more like secluded one and it took us like five seconds of being at that one and we were fucking and I don't think that we even established that we were going on the beach to have sex. That was not, we were just going out there to the beach. And as soon as we saw the other one and we laid down, it was like instantly, we
Casey:were going, this is, yeah, but still is that there's that air of anyone can walk by, which is clearly a turn.
Kari:Yeah, I did not mind that at all. And then it was like there was probably going on at the resort there. There was, yeah. There's a big, so we hear like music in the background where we have like these waves going and then the sky, I mean it was just black. And so there's all these stars. I saw a shooting. Shooting. Ooh, that's not good. That's not good to say. I saw a shooting star That one was difficult. You got it out this way. I did. Uh, which is rare for me. Uh, I, you know, never get to fucking see those. So it was just a really magical, like night, but it was a great fuck. And I don't know, actually, what did I say? I don't get to fucking see them. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know, but we, we had a really good time and it was just a good escape for us to be able to like recharge. And we were also like, so oddly. Yeah. Connected and on the same page. It was so weird. It was so weird.
Casey:It was like, because of how on the same page we were about everything we were, there was no, no arguing. There was no like pushback. It was all just go with the flow. Everything we did, we even, I think the most time we spent apart was maybe 30 minutes.
Kari:That was literally 30 minutes
Casey:and then you were like, I'm gonna go back to the group that we were hanging out with. I was like, cool. Um, I'm going to take a little social battery recharge. Like my introvert self was not there yet.
Kari:Yeah. But I was also gone for like five minutes and you're like, I miss you. Like, I, I, okay. Cute. I actually five minutes. Fuck off. I will go back through my messages. Exactly.
Casey:Eventually made my way back out there. We want a music trivia contest. Oh yeah,
Kari:we did. With the captain. Everyone has nicknames. If you haven't noticed, right. There's like shots. There's captain there. There was a few other, well, we had the, this was, Not at the resort, but we had Fort Lauderdale Um, Big cock and Fort Lauderdale, very, very, you
Casey:know, pleasant. Um, what are they, what are they called? Not flight, not flight attendants, but the person that's at the desk, you know, calling. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people who has kept pronouncing Fort Lauderdale as Fort Lauderdale.
Kari:And so we're all, we're just cracking up, which that's kind of how it started, honestly. And so it was just, it was great for us to be able to go and have a really good time and come up with all these different like memories and like fun, little, like. Nicknames to the people that we hung out with. And we just, we really had a good time. I mean, there was one point that you like went up to the bar and I text you like, you're so handsome. The exact minute that you text me something along those lines, like in the exact minute we were texting each other, the same thing. It was cool.
Casey:I was
Kari:about to say, do you think that we were so spicy during our, uh, Like trip because we went there listening to spicy books beforehand.
Casey:I
Kari:told him not to say spicy earlier. Well, that's not because of the word it's because of your speech. Yes, it was the S and the C in it. That's kind of funny to hear you say.
Casey:One of the things that we like to do is that we are both. Into erotica, you know, you usually see the basics online, right? Where it's always like the wife is into the erotica and then she's the one reading the spicy. Yeah, I read them too. And Carrie actually got me into more of them. Whenever she started reading the oh, so popular ACOTAR series, I went, you know what? I'm going to read that one too. And so it was like book for book with us going through the same exact ones. And we finished the Well, the series so far on that one. And so then we started dipping into the other ones and now we've kind of diverged a little bit, a little bit, but you're now reading the fourth wing, the fourth wing.
Kari:Yes. I just finished the first one.
Casey:And then I'm going through the latest one that I've just, I'm about to finish is a dowry of blood
Kari:and you heard from that, from, uh, from our friend, right? Yeah.
Casey:Yes. Our friend Moose,
Kari:lazy Moose.
Casey:We, I heard about that one. That one is insanely good because it's, it is kind of poetic. It's very, it's very. Literary and it's the story of Dracula, but told through the eyes of his brides. But one of his brides in particular, but it tells a story about like how each of them came to be. And so my suggestion is that if you're, if you're a poly positive, then read that one. Yeah. Go to that one because it's interesting. It is interesting. Um,
Kari:And the way, even the way that you're describing it was funny. Cause I had sent a message and I, and I always said, that's a question. When you're reading one of those books is like, how spicy is it? How far are they going? And it was literally a minute. He was like, nah, it's not that bad. And then he was like, Oh shit. It's
Casey:not really sexual about it now. Within a couple minutes on, okay, nevermind, scratch that.
Kari:But you're also describing like a scene. Earlier. Um, and I think it's kind of what like brought up, like us talking about some of this on the show, but it was even them like talking about like their relationship between the, the other women and the type of bond that's created. And it's just so nice to see that like in a book that's also so heavily sexually charged.
Casey:Yes. With it being so sexually charged, it was, I don't know why I'm drawing blinks on character names right now. I was Matt Madeline Magdalena. Okay, but it's it's Dracula's first bride. She's talking about Dracula introducing her to Magdalena how much jealousy she felt towards her because He kept telling her that she was just a friend, that it was nothing there. And then eventually he very clearly starts manipulating her into accepting Magdalena as a sister and as in, as the next bride. But then her and Magdalena's relationship starts to evolve. And so. She puts it in a way essentially saying that she realized that her love for Dracula ran as deep as it did for Magdalena. And if she can do that, then it was able to get her to realize that so could he. So it was, it was like this interesting little, like.
Kari:Snip bit into Polly, right?
Casey:Yeah. This little look into Polly being like, cool. Anybody that's like, kind of curious that. Here's, here's something to look into. Here's something to read about.
Kari:Minus the minute, the Dracula manipulation, obviously. But it's not something
Casey:that they like veiled. No, I know. The author of S. T. Gibson, who wrote it, really, really kind of shows you. It's not something that's hidden. It's not something that later you realize, Oh shit, he manipulated her. It's like, it's very clear that that's. So, but that, I mean, that's kind of what our topic is going on today. Um, in fact, we're about to turn you over here in just a couple of minutes to our interview for the day.
Kari:Yep. We have, uh, another author. Um, very excited to have her on. Her name is Jade Green. And if you were familiar with one of our episodes in the past where we had the other author on that was, uh, Shay, Shay Kuhn. Um, she was the one that ended up referring us over to, to Jade Green. Yeah,
Casey:Shay had been like, Hey, I have somebody else. We've been trying to get Jade on the podcast. Yeah, it's been a minute. As you said earlier, life has life.
Kari:Life is lifing, man. It has been difficult, but we ended up getting her on and, uh, we're going to have an interview with her coming up right after this.
Casey:So stay tuned. You want to go ahead and turn it over? Yep. Let's do it. All right. So check this out. This is our interview with author Jade Green, who is the author of the disorderly conduct series. So enjoy it.
casey (2):All righT. Well, thank you for joining us this afternoon with, with myself, Dr. Casey Sanders. And I'm Carrie Sanders. And we are, we have a pleasure today to bring us back into the real world. of erotic fiction, mostly fiction, with our new friend and author Jade Green. Jade, welcome to the show.
Jade:Hello. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah.
casey (2):We're happy to have you here and we're happy to hear more about what's going on. So, we have two of your books here. Um, if I'm correct, the first one, this is the Disorderly Conduct series. With the first one being the college edition and the second one being the deployment edition And then you have a forthcoming book, which is the mission edition. Is that right?
Jade:Yeah Um, so that one is coming out really soon. It took me a bit to like finalize but it's It'll probably be out before the end of the year. It's that close to being Done, so i'm so excited
Kari (2):how perfect to be on the show then right now like plug that away, baby Exactly so you start with us and then you'll finish with us right like you'll come back on after the the right it'll be perfect
Jade:Well, yeah, that sounds awesome.
Kari (2):No, we're so excited to have you on. And we've been wanting to have you on for a while, but then life has gotten like life, life, you know, life, life, right? Like
Jade:we worked hard to make today happen. That's that's what I told Gary. I'm like, this was a group effort to make sure we can
casey (2):do this. And we did this through like trying to schedule. And then we went through a move and all sorts of just mishaps that delayed us. And then all sorts of stuff. So, but we are here today. Jade, we've got you on the show. We're super excited to do this interview, uh, because we've been able to be introduced to these books, but I want you to take a minute. To introduce readers and listeners to your books.
Jade:Oh yeah. So first and foremost, um, before I'm anything, I like to say that I'm Jade Green, Green, I am a erotica author, specifically a humorous erotica author. Um, I take pride in not only turning on people, but I want to make them laugh as well. And it just brings me so much joy to do both of those things. Uh, I got started five years ago, or six years ago, I got started on my first manuscript. And, um, I wasn't sure which genre I wanted to write. It actually started as a memoir and then I pivoted and it turned into a humorous erotica and I'm so glad I did that because I was really able to reach in and like, see where I, my creativity could take me both in an arousing way and a comedic way and I love that balance that I, I try to maintain in the book. In the second series, uh, or in the second book of the series. So I have two books so far, Disorderly Conduct College Edition, as Casey said, and then Disorderly Conduct Deployment Edition out. Um, the first one is a much funnier read. The second one still has a lot of comedy in it, but it's more like, it reads more of a dramedy. A satirical dramedy, so ups and downs.
casey (2):Yeah, because the second one is about, I mean, it's about humanitarianism on some level. It's like going into a hurricane zone with a bunch of people and like helping out while also exploring the sexual side of things.
Jade:Yeah, um, and what made me write that, like, and what I love about fiction, this is a perfect example of it. Um, so my books are loosely inspired by my life and I say loosely because I had to add and change and really make the story for, uh, my protagonist, Ari. I always tease with people. I'm like, Ari is, in the fictional universe, my daughter. So, we share so many qualities. Like, she's literally my size, she's my height, and she's my stature, black hair, um, but she's also different. Um, I tried to make her more extreme. I try to make her more, um, like, even more intense when she goes through her feelings. So when she's in a state where she's being immature and she's being cocky, I try to make her as egotistical, cocky, like, the biggest bully in her life you could think of, both to herself and to other people. And then on the flip side of that, when she goes, uh, it's funny, in the first book, um, I make a few things happen to her that kind of humble her and make her step back from herself to realize, like, Oh, there's more to life than titles. There's more to life than being the cool girl or being the hot girl or being Whatever being the most sexually desirable person in the room And so it leads her on a journey to be like well What can go alongside that like I can still have that part of me But what can I do to go along with that? So I traumatized my child like any good author parent right You know, that's why it's fiction it's Gotta put them through the ringer and the second book is really Like the first book, she's 21. Her mindset is all about partying. She just wants to have fun. She wants to be cool. She wants to be deemed worthy. Like a lot of us at that age, whether or not, right. I mean, I don't know if you remember, I hated that age. Like, to me, I think everyone saw what I had, like, even me as a beauty queen, like, going through that. In real life, I hated being, like, 18 to 22. I just felt so Pure pressured and so impressionable and very, um, socially anxious to boot.
Kari (2):Yeah, I say I will never go back to that age in my life. Like that stage, I'm good. I don't, I don't pity anyone in it. I would never go back. The closer now I get to 40 is actually the more excited I get. Cause like that phase is hard and, and like, it really shaped. It's kind of your neck, that next phase, right? It is really important to go through it, but I'm done on that.
Jade:And we're all prone to it, you know, whether it's like peer pressure for sex or drugs or just being at a party, you don't want to be at all that
casey (2):stuff. Any idea growing up, how many parties I went to where I was like, Fucking be here. Are those the
Kari (2):same ones that you threw or? Oh, okay.
casey (2):He's like, I'd rather them come to me, right? True. And I felt like I just wanted to leave the entire time.
Kari (2):So, so what, what would you say in that era is when you kind of decided that you wanted to write books or where were you at in that? Like, when did you come to being like, I want to write these like satirical, like sexy time books? Actually books
Jade:weirdly on deployment. Um, I came back from my first one Like, so my first deployment, this is where Ari, my protagonist, has a way better time than I do. I also give her some treats where in real life, I, I had it way worse than how it is in the book. So, so in the second book, while she's on deployment, um, it's interesting. She, first book, she's more of like crazy swinger. Second book, she meets, One guy who she's like very, well, a couple guys, but like in each phase where she's back at home, she has one boyfriend where she's on deployment. She meets one guy and she's more sticking to like what, what normally happens to, again, mid 20 year olds. You kind of gravitate to less people, but better quality people that more fit what you're looking for. Um, so second book, she's like 25 to 27 and, It's, it's interesting because it's like, I actually didn't hook up on the second deployment until the very end, until we were let go. And the reason why is because it wasn't even a, it wasn't even a morally righteous decision. It's, in real life, when you're sleeping in tents, Outside, without plumbing, um, you don't really want to have sex, and it's not because other people aren't sexy, it's because it's gross. Like, you know, I did not want to, I didn't want to fuck people, especially since we were all, all of us were just nasty, and there were actually They found ticks, they found flea, they found a ton of bugs, too, on base camp, which is natural, you know, we're staying outside in a hurricane zone, so they, there's nothing they could do to prevent stuff like that before it happened,
casey (2):so, in the book, causing a situation. Yeah. To And everything you're describing, it's not something you're like, man, I can not wait. I get that.
Jade:Yeah. Like, and that's why in the book, she's fucking like crazy in deployment. But it's funny because it's like, when people ask me about that, they're like, man, that must've been great. I'm like, actually, no, like I did not. Once we were let go and relieved, we were all staying in hotels the day after we were like released from duty. So in that setting, it's like, yeah, I did hook up with, With a handsome dude on deployment, but not during the period where I was like, did you at least get to
Kari (2):like flirt a lot? Cause that can be just as fun, you know, and then like building that anticipation, like you wait until I shower, you just wait, you know? Yeah.
Jade:That's definitely, we had, so it was us Red Crossers. Like I was with Red Cross for years, uh, volunteering and I helped with Irma. And then the third book, is based on Maria. I helped in Maria in Puerto Rico. So they had like security guards. who were like pretty much our age. They were like a lot of different like Marines and like former military dudes that were good looking and young. So it was very easy to just exchange numbers and yeah, end up hooking up in the end.
casey (2):I know. And then your second one, I think it's near the end of the book, you describe a foursome between a few, a few of the people that were, that were there, right?
Jade:Yeah, so um, that, that was a different experience in real life. I can say it was a group activity, but it was, it was a slightly different experience. Again, for storytelling, because it's like, I like to write her own story in a way, like I, at this point, I'm one of those authors that knows my ending and like, I, I'm pretty much set on like what I'm never going to tell anyone. So everybody has to read to the end of the book, but I know it. So. For me, I'm trying to lead it there in a way that makes sense. Um, and so yeah, in real life though, it was me and a bunch of security guards
Kari (2):at the hotel. You were so safe that night. Choo choo! You were very protected. Very proud of you. I was so safe. I was so safe
casey (2):in that train. I love that. So needless to say, you had a good time. So, how much of this, I did, how much of this, it sounds to me like you pull a lot of your scenes from personal experience, is that right?
Jade:I do, like a decent amount, but also from like, oh, I guess my Bluetooth is doing some weird stuff. Um, so yeah, like some of the things, but also from like other people's stories, like I've definitely taken inspiration from friend stories. To put in little moments in the book like maybe a smaller scene that's like stupid and funny wouldn't have been my story directly, but would have been a friend's story that like was similar to it. And I kind of, I like doing that because to me, don't get me wrong, memoirs are interesting, but like I'm very creative. So I actually, when I'm reading a book, I'm not a big nonfiction person. I'm very creative. Like, certain biographies I've read, I've read Claire Barton's biography, I've read Katherine Switzer's biography, like, people's like that, I'll read, but, I, I love fiction, I love, like, the drama, the comedy, the, like, ridiculous moments where you're like, that would never happen in real life, and that's the beauty of fiction writing, that you can, like, embellish and put things into your own stories and make it into, like, this crazy, Big fish story that like, maybe some of it happened, but like most of it didn't.
casey (2):Yeah. That's
Jade:really interesting.
Kari (2):Okay, sO I have my next question then. And we kind of went on these cute little tangents. But I guess I'm wondering, like, did you always know that you wanted to be an author? Or like, where did you kind of start out? And then when did you come to that, like, conclusion?
Jade:I loved writing, like, growing up. I really liked fictional like short story writing and stuff like that. And that was like in my twenties, like early twenties, I started writing, um, financial articles for like LinkedIn and like, you know, just like medium and stuff like that. Like not as an employee, of course, but like on LinkedIn, you know, people will post their own articles. And I love doing that kind of stuff, just like staying up to date with the news and also relaying my information, but that got really stale. And I think my second deployment coming back from it. Um, like I was really impacted, uh, just because I, I had never seen people in that state. Um, like, and that many people. So while like, I was so happy to serve, I would step up and serve again. And a heartbeat, I actually just tried for a lean, but they didn't need me. Fortunately, that's a good thing though. Um, But, you know, it did, it changed me so much. And I think like, at that point it wasn't, it's funny because it wasn't like being a beauty queen that made me want to write a book. I think like any author that writes a book off of their life, like there's definitely a moment where like, you're like, damn, like my life is crazy enough. I should write a book. And mine, mine was that like coming back from deployment. I'm like, Jesus. Like. People have no idea like, and these aren't, I'm not volunteering abroad. I'm not volunteering in a, um, you know, a place that's, that's not relatable. These are Americans. These are like, these are, are, are people. And so like, when I saw that and especially like the lack of response from the government, like I'm not political, but I'm very passionate about disaster response. Like that's one political thing I'm passionate about because. I don't really give a damn what legislators say if americans are suffering like especially with north carolina and like even in irma in irma's case exactly like get people on the ground get people there to help them get money in to help them because You know these people they don't even have water some of them lose their big ones losing their medications um And so that really drove me. I'm like, man, like I should write about my life and do it in a way like self, the selfish part for me was like, I found, I found therapy in it. Um, that's great actually.
Kari:For
Jade:me, it was like a really good coping mechanism because it was like, I needed a way to process it without making it such a dark cloud in my mind because I love humanitarian work, but part of humanitarian work, you know, you are exposed to crappy legislation and crappy response from local or even most of the time, federal local governments are great. Usually they're like on their shit, but you know, FEMA, unfortunately, They're the slowest to respond. So for me, that was a big motivation. I was like, you know what, I need a positive way to process all this and a way to like transmute it into something good for society and myself.
casey (2):So then, so then, what inspired blending erotica in with these very like real stories of, of like disaster? What, where, where is the, where's the source of that, that we can kind of unite the eroticism with like these humanitarian efforts?
Jade:Well, so in the first book, um, and in my own life when I was in college, I was, I don't know how my luck got me this, but like I had a literal group of swinger friends, partially poly. I didn't, we didn't know what we were. We did not label ourselves. It was like a group of like, 10 guys and girls that just fucked each other and like were friends and dated and like partied together and, Mm-Hmm. I kind of, yeah. Like it was, I'm
casey (2):here for it. A whole, a whole group of
Kari (2):go on, go on
Jade:And back then, like, this was like 2009 two, 2009 to 2011. So like there wasn't as much information Yeah. About polyamorous. So we just were like, we're just a bunch of sluts that like are friends. Like that's what. What we just like leave all ourselves at. I
Kari (2):love that for y'all. Maybe I should have gone to college. Jesus.
casey (2):I know. Where was this? This was
Kari (2):not at the community college. I swear it was not. Oh my
Jade:gosh. I went to school in Baltimore at an all women's college and we were surrounded. There's like. 30 colleges in Baltimore. So it's just like, got it dominated by 18 to 22 year olds. So on the bright side at age, I was constantly swinging, getting BBG threesomes. Like by the time it was 21, I already had my first like 4g with or 5g with guys. I had four guys.
casey (2):So you've had, like, you had the experience, like anything, any of those stuff where you see right here, they're like these crazy, wild stories and people are like, wow, that happens in the movies. You're going, no, no, it doesn't.
Kari (2):That's just my Tuesday. I am so proud of you. I think that's amazing.
Jade:And for me too, like, so going back to how deployment sex, all that, how it ties in. Um, you know, I had to re find, for me, like, finding, re finding my sexuality and myself after deployment was a challenge, so, like, I think, in the book, I try to make it where it's kind of a healing presence in the second book. In the first book, it's just her drug. She is OD'ing on sex with everybody and fucking everybody and having a good time. The second book though, she's approaching sex and using sex in her life more as like a healing and coping and connecting tool. So it's, that's where I like to kind of switch it up where it's like she's still enjoying it and she's still having a foursome, a swap. Um, but it's, it's with a more ethical and, you know, Chill mindset.
casey (2):Yes, coming in her own learning more about, you know, sex positivity and principles of healthy sex and Instead of just fucking everybody.
Jade:Yeah, I mean don't get me wrong like that's fun I'd like at 20 when you have nothing better to do than just like be studying or fucking somebody But yeah, like we,
casey (2):we maintain a heavy message on our show of sex positivity and we always have our biggest rules are as long as there's consent, comfort and communication, go for it. Are you being safe about it? Cool. Do you have fun?
Jade:It's easier with, with age for short. Cause I feel like at that age, people, people are more likely to lie in those circles and stuff. And I mean, there's always that in older circles as well, but I mean, at least There's more maturity among the 30s and 40s swingers than the 20s hookup crew.
casey (2):Yeah. Luckily we're starting to like kind of shift things. That's one of the, uh, one for us is like comprehensive sex education for younger generations to allow them to come up into being 18, 20, 22, and be able to still participate in these things. If you'd like doing it in a way where you can do it safely and not have to worry so much.
Jade:Yeah. I mean, and that's what I liked having a group because it really minimized risk of like STD or like it at least buffered the unplanned pregnancy thing, because none of those guys were strangers. Like they were friends and still are like, some of them still are my friends. Um, and some of the girls as well, like, we're all just a lot of us are still friends, so it negated the risk a little bit, but it is harder, like, I am finding it hard, especially being so new to a city. It's hard to find a new group like that because people are some people are totally careless and I've heard of people not testing at all or even worse faking. Results so that they can get into circles. Yeah.
casey (2):The vetting process is super important, but I'm, you know, it is, we've, we've done the episodes before about trying to find your social circle within a sex positive community and how difficult that can be like, and we get it. We have listeners all the time, right. Writing us in who are like, Hey, I'm interested in like forming a polycule or I'm interested in, in exploring this certain act of bondage. But I'm having trouble finding people that I feel comfortable with, or I don't even know where to begin outside of going to like a local dungeon or sex club. And so it's a difficult one to navigate for sure. But like, once you get in, like you said, you had that core group of people, which I'm sure would make for a great reunion 20 years later. I
Jade:am not going to lie. Two of the guys live in LA and every time I'm over, Hey guys, but they're, They're busy. They're both professors. I can't see the schools, but they're both professors over there.
casey (2):They're
Kari (2):professors. Holy shit. That's amazing. That sounds like another book. That sounds like another book.
Jade:I don't think those two ever like, oh man, the, the lore, the Jade sex lore goes, right. I don't think those two ever banged me together, but I'm pretty sure one of them was in the other room when the other. Five of them or other four of them were banging me. Yeah, he was they never like hooked up with me together But they both hooked up with other guys in the group with me That's how like
Kari:yeah
Jade:It's like a 10 person 11 person group. Yeah
casey (2):It sounds like a dream, doesn't it? I mean,
Kari (2):dream I had last night. Jesus. No. So, okay. I, I love how like sexually open you are and you seem to be someone that's been that way for a really long time. Um, that's not super common. And so that's what I'm saying. Like. I'm super proud of you. I think that's bad ass that you go out there and be who you are and you're very real to say it. And so that just kind of had me wondering earlier, how has your like friends and family kind of like understood your writings and who you are? Maybe they don't know.
casey (2):We know about the friends.
Kari (2):Yeah, true. Some of the friends, not all the friends that was just the 10 group, right? There's other friends, but I'm just curious how it's been like, you know, received.
Jade:Yeah. Um, it's interesting because. I'm not the first author in my family. Uh, there's another published author. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say her name because I know, like, with my stuff. I don't want to bombard her privacy, but she really inspired me like in the first place to just write. And so I did. And I was lucky cause I'm pretty close to my family. And once I wrote my book, like I did tell my family and I was just like, Hey, just letting you know, like this probably isn't going to go anywhere, but like in case somebody on Facebook in your friend group or whatever, like sees it, I was like, just so you know, like, I'm writing, you know, erotica, and it's just something that I can do on the side of my job. It's just something I like to do. I just enjoy doing it. And, um, they were really accepting of it. Actually. They were, they were pretty accepting. I know my, um, my mom was like, I want to buy your books, but I'm never going to read them. I'm like, that's fine. That is the
Kari (2):best supportive mother in the world. Then don't embarrass me by reading them, but buy them off the shelves, please.
Jade:She's like, and then, um, What was really flattering was she actually bought them for her friends and stuff. So that was really cool. And her friends did read it and they told her, they were like, it's amazing. And I'm like, that's adorable.
Kari (2):Here you go. My daughter's sex book.
Jade:Um, no, they liked it. They thought I did, did a good job in it. Uh, my cousins, they like are really proud of me, but I think when I was a teenager though, see, here's the thing, like, it was a struggle to. It was a struggle to get into like a healthy mindset with sex because for a while like especially my early 20s and like Late teenage. I, it was more like rebelling, more narcissistic backed. I mean, especially at that age when you're like ego is just the size of a room. And, um, it sucks because like, especially as a teenager, I was never into partying, um, and was never into, I didn't even smoke weed until college actually. Um, so I was a very straight edge, nervous, socially anxious, sexual, but socially anxious, nervous, um, studious person. And, I got so much shit. What's crazy is the kids that were breaking the laws and like maybe beating up their girlfriend, their girlfriend, like I went to a very small town school in the middle of nowhere, Pennsylvania, and it's like girls would walk in with like a big bruised eye and nobody would say anything about like her boyfriend beating on her, but it's like me giving a blow job. Like to my boyfriend or whatever, somewhere at a party was like, you know, sounds
casey (2):like we all went to, we were all in school around the same time. And so, yeah, we, we both went to a smaller town. And it was the same kind of situation. It was the same kind of situation. Rumors flying, but they were never about like the stupid shit that the guys were doing. It was always like, what the girls did. What? Look at this girl. She's a slut. She's a whore that because she had sex with her boyfriend. So it was, it's, it was definitely an interesting time to unfortunately experience, uh, a lot of
Kari (2):that. Yeah.
Jade:It, um, I don't miss it at all. And college was really the first time. That's why I think it was so especially transformative for me because it's like, not only was. Like especially as a beauty queen, not only was I happy with my appearance and where I wasn't like, like I'm so proud of myself. I mean, cause I never thought I would have been like, I really, if you went back to 20 year old me and we're like, do you really think you'll win a state beauty pageant? I would have been like, fuck no, but like, I'm going to try. And like, I was a very, I never, I was really hard on myself. And so I think that coupled with the fact that I was not used to having a healthy, Sex environment like that really helped me flourish as both like just a person a friend a girlfriend and I'm like an author. Yeah, totally Yeah, thank you college friends for banging me into health
Kari (2):Whipping you into shape
casey (2):You have the two books out. You have the, the next one coming. Uh, and then you mentioned early, you said that you have an end in mind. Like where's, like clearly without sharing any, any details with us, how, how far did you plan on taking this?
Jade:I am going to write at least two more books after the third. So I have a fourth book plan and then I think a fifth book plan. Um, but there's two topics. I know like people are curious If I was going to write, so it's interesting because I started in like the adult industry as like a dancer before I was an author and I never wrote about it. And I know people were like wondering like, am I going to write about that? Or am I going to write about like my current endeavor of like adult acting? And it's like, I don't think I should. And the reason why is because like, I am, I'm such a rare demographic and I don't feel like it's fair. And let me clarify it. Like, The family thing is a privilege that so many people, like, and even erotica authors, like, you know, I've lost at least one, I've lost a job three years ago or two years ago when I like first was publishing. My boss found out I was writing erotica and I got fired. Um, so, you know, it does happen where it's like people don't have support and I don't want to write about it from my frame point. Cause I just think it's very inappropriate and that it would not, it would not do a good job painting the life of someone normally on average. Someone in that community.
Kari (2):Okay. I can understand that honestly. I agree with that.
Jade:and I'm, I am not lost on the fact that, like, there are some people, like I've met so many dancers or adult actresses where it's like, they have nobody to like, go to like, They don't even have a spouse or boyfriend or anything like on holidays. And it's like, I, you know what, that's one rare thing I have. So I am not going to. use it for bad or like use it to prop myself up whenever people have different situations and you know sometimes friend groups can be just as good as bio family and yeah of course
casey (2):yeah absolutely absolutely and you know we we've talked to a number of people that have gone through various industries uh or various aspects of the adult industry we've heard we've heard it all we've heard people that were completely shunned by their families We've had people that were celebrated by their families. We've had people that like, I think that we had a previous guest on and she had said, she was like, my dad's one of my biggest supporters. I'm over here.
Jade:That's like my mom. She's like, I'm not looking at your book, but
Kari (2):I'm so supportive of it.
Jade:But yeah, the rest of them are awesome.
casey (2):Yeah, we're super excited to see where you go from here. It sounds like you've got a really good foundation here with your books and everything that you're working on outside of that. In fact, we like kind of are in many talks about continuing this discussion on a later date to look at your other endeavors. Uh, for now we definitely wanted to really focus on, on this book series and, and like kind of where it came about. So thank you so much for the information today. Anybody that's wanting to, to read these books, get a hold of you, or like take a look at any of what you do, how would they get in contact with you?
Jade:Yeah, so I have an ex, or Twitter, I like saying Twitter. Yeah,
Kari:I know.
Jade:You know, Jake Green books, um, J A D E, Green with an extra E at the end books, and then, um, Author jade green on Instagram. So both of those spots.
casey (2):Perfect. And if they wanted to purchase one of your books, how would they do that?
Jade:Ooh, you can check them out on Amazon and actually both the ebook. I think of the first and second and the audible book of the first are. Free with a trial of Kindle or Audible. So if you don't have one and you want one, get a free trial.
casey (2):Carrie, thank you for sharing.
Jade:I
Kari (2):love
Jade:that. For our
Kari (2):YouTube people, they can see it.
Jade:Vanna Whiting, very finely.
casey (2):Awesome. Jade, thank you so much for coming on today. We look forward to talking to you in the future for yet another episode. Here we are. I'm Dr. Casey Sanders, and I'm
Kari (2):Carrie Sanders. I'll
casey (2):see you all next time.
