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Josh Hall on Working From Home / Life Balance - Summit Speaker Series
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Hi, everyone, I'm more than a little excited to be joined today by a very special guest who also happens to be one of the incredible experts speaking at our upcoming Designer Boss Summit. I've been a fan of Mr. Josh Hall for a few years now. But it was only last year that I discovered we actually have more in common than I first realised, like me, he's a graphic designer term web designer. We've both been working for ourselves for about 10 years now. And we also started out in our 20s while working from home at our parent's place. And of course we both recently made the switch to sharing what we know and teaching other designers the ins and outs of running a successful web design business. Josh is a web mentor, Divi expert ecourse boss, podcast host, and recently launched the Josh Hall web design club membership that I'm lucky enough to be a member of. And it's freaking awesome. So Josh, say hi, and let everyone know what we're going to be chatting about today.
1:48
Well, hey, everybody. It's good to be here. And Emma, thanks so much for having me on. I feel honoured to be an early interviewee for your podcast. Because I remember last year we were talking and I was like, Emma, you need a podcast. So super cool. For me to see you launch this thing. And I've caught several episodes. So I'm pumped for you. And I'm excited to be on.
2:08
Thank you. Thank you. No, yeah, you're definitely were a huge inspiration behind me getting this off the ground. Well, Josh and I today we're going to talk about working from home and that whole elusive home work-life balance, and the tips that sort of with tips and also mistakes, I guess, that we've had over the years of working from home because like I said, we've been working both working from home for about 10 years now. And Josh especially has gone through a lot of different phases of life while working from home. Being I think, a single bachelor initially, and then being in a couple and then having children and all that. So there's lots of different phases of life that make working from home a little bit more challenging at times. So we're just going to run through the sort of tips and advice that we have for those of you that are working from home or looking at working from home in the future.
3:05
It's interesting that you mentioned Emma, because as I was thinking about doing this interview with you, I did realise I've been. Let's see coming up March 2021. I'll have been a freelancer for 12 years. So technically, I've been working from home for almost that time. So for well over a decade. And it has been like you said through all those seasons of life. So I started, I was living in my dad's basement, working from home. And then eventually I met my wife, and then she was my girlfriend and then eventually engaged, got an apartment. And then she moved in when we got married. And so you know, I was used to working from home with her as we were newly married, and then we got a house. And then we started having kids. So it's been interesting to see the progression of how to work from home in these different seasons of life. So I think definitely what we'll talk about will apply to any one of those, it just might depend on your situation. Like it's a lot easier to work from home in some ways. When you don't have kids and distractions. However, it can be more lonely when you work from home without family around, because it's just you and your aching to get some interaction.
4:10
So yeah, I'll just mean, I've got some points. If you want me to start through a minimum, as far as some things that have really helped me, I'm happy to dive into. Yes. I think one thing that I have found to be really helpful through all of the seasons is to have some sort of schedule for work hours. And this can fluctuate like it definitely depends on the season of life or what your week looks like or what your month looks like. And it also depends on your projects. If you have a lot of projects that you need to get done, you might work a little more but if you're in a season or a phase where you can back off a little bit. That's cool, too. That's one reason I love working from home. It's not about more hours, it's about better hours. So but setting some sort of schedule that you can stick to fairly regularly is huge. So when I was single and when I didn't have a family it was a little easier, like I said because I could work at night for hours, or even like an eight to three, or whatever it would be. But more recently, I've learned the power of work segments and time blocks. So having these blocks where like, I'm going to take two hours, and I'm just going to work, I'm going to turn off my notifications, I'm going to be distraction free, I'm just going to do this task, particularly for somebody like myself, who does a lot of different type of work, whether it's podcast or tutorials, or course, or getting my membership or email, whatever, I need to make sure that I have a goal. So having that segment has been really huge. And I can't just call them like work blocks or time blocks.
5:42
Now, that's a great point. That's something that I've only recently started doing probably in the last couple of years to sort of setting blocks of time to work on different projects or different types of things in my business, whether that's going in my Facebook group, or working on my newsletter, or blog posts or whatever, like having set times during the day or during the week to put them in. And I find it's really helped me. I think as I get older, a lot of women say baby brain just makes your brain turn to mush. I feel like it's a 30 year old brain, I swear, the second I turned 30, like my brain just doesn't function as sharply as it used to. And having those time blocks really just helps me like laser focus on a specific task and get that done, rather than dividing my time between a whole bunch of different things.
6:27
So then you find out it's way more effective than an eight hour work day. Like, if you tell anybody in the corporate world, if you ask them how many hours they're actually working in a day, it's probably like three hours. So that's the beauty about freelancing. It's like, I never work eight hours a day. But I do do these works, work segments and time blocks to where I work for two, two and a half hours one block, and then I'll hang out, have lunch with my family and take my dog for a walk and then have another hour block or hour and a half block and take another break in the afternoon, evening, and maybe I'll hop on in the evening, after the girls go to bed for a half an hour just to check on some messages, you know, I'm a little more lacks like that now, as opposed to sticking to an exact, you know, 8am to 3am or whatever. And again, it just depends on seasons of life, my girls right now are two and one. So they're not in school yet. So they're home. So it's hard for me to, there's no way I could do an eight hour day, right? Now, it has to kind of be this situation. But when they go to school, eventually it might be a little different. But either way, that idea of the work blocks, I just feel it really lends itself to living a lifestyle you love because you can play in your tasks around that. And you talked about the baby brain kind of thing. I mean, it's interesting with kids, some days, I feel like that's where I just I'd like I'm just completely jumbled because there's just so much going on. But then there's other times where I just love kind of getting a break and going into my office and working on something for an hour or I'm like insanely productive.
7:52
Well, I think that's a good segway to the next point that I have, which was figuring out what really works for you. A lot of the stuff that we will talk about today or that you'll I guess read about in anything, blog posts, or whatever about work life balance, everyone's a little bit different. And also you have these different phases of life. So you've got to work out what works for you and your situation. And also, I think, always keep in mind, you know, there's pros and cons from working from home. So don't sacrifice on those pros. I know, a lot of the time, like when I was sort of first starting out, I would think No, I have to work like nine to five, I have to be like at my desk, at least by nine so that I can like answer the phone or get back to emails right away or whatever. Otherwise I felt unprofessional. And I think like that's just completely unnecessary. I think that the clients unless you know, it depends on your job and your clients and what your contracts involve or whatever. But I find for most of my clients, as long as they get the work done, they don't care doesn't matter if I work, you know, start work at midday and finish work at midnight really, like as long as I get jobs done when I say I'm gonna get them done. So I think .Really don't sacrifice on those flexible work hours that you can have working from home. And you know, if a friend is in town and invites you out to lunch or you know your partner wants to take you out for brekkie or something like that, like don't sacrifice on being asked to do that and that flexibility because they're like Josh said, there are some cons from working from home like we've potentially the distractions or not having that social outlet if you sort of are living at home by yourself.
9:38
No, it's so true. That's the beauty about what we do as freelance web designers and graphic designers is that you set it and then as long as you get your work done, no one no one cares like if you don't have a boss like in a corporate setting where you have to clock in and clock out. If you can get your crap done in three hours get it done in three hours and then go enjoy yourself. That is absolutely okay and I I worked through a lot of guilt In my early years as a freelancer because I'm a blue collar dude through and through, like I was a cabinet maker for seven years. It kind of runs in my blood to work Monday through Friday at certain, you know, certain hours. And I remember when I first got started, if I wasn't behind my computer screen working between 8am and like, 4pm, I felt weird. I just felt like I was being lazy. And I felt really weird. And, and I've learned to just get over that, like, there are times where, you know, I do work full days, or somewhat full days, depending on the segments. But then there are times where there we just have a lot going on with the girls or like every Friday, as an example, every Friday now we have swim lessons for the girls, that's at 11;30. So I only work half days, on Fridays, I don't start working until about one on Friday, and then I usually stop about four. So I didn't really work a few hours to end the week. That was kind of weird to get used to. But there as long as I get the work done, it's fine. And again, there are some times where instead of working from eight to three, or eight to four, I might log in in the evening, if I get a little bit of downtime to do some stuff. And I just make sure that doesn't conflict with family time. But that's the beauty of this kind of schedule and the freedom that we have. But you definitely have to, you have to embrace the responsibility, because on the opposite side of freedom is responsibility. So that gets into a lot of other things with this because you do have a lot of power. And I think, I don't know if we have this in the list coming up. But setting like days for certain tasks are big, too. That's one thing that's really helped me is with this freedom, you don't have to be open 24/7 for your clients, you can schedule call days, or like, I do that with my podcast, I only do calls on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Thursdays only, I only do calls like live q&a with my audience or anything like that, unless there's a rare situation where somebody requests an odd day or something that's very rare. So I have my call days and web designers can do that, too. I learned to do that. As a web designer, before I sold my agency, I would have certain times and then have a client call me at 530 at night. I wouldn't get back to them until the next day, because I wasn't I wasn't on that. And so you can set those parameters and set your tasks and the things you do around your schedule for what works for you. It's gonna encourage everybody, that's okay. If you're watching Star Wars on a Tuesday afternoon with your daughter or something, it's feels a little weird, but it's probably right there with you.
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I find as long as I'm just like, let my clients know, like I have an auto responder. And since I've had this autoresponder that sort of lets them know my work hours, or at least tells them like, Hey, I've got your email, this is my typical response time. And he's some other information that can help you that's really helped because I even have on there, I might not get back to them for two business days. Like that's just where I am at the moment. And people don't care as long as they know that. You can't, you can't be distracted when you're trying to be creative, or you're doing sort of some really heavy rain work, you know, so limiting those distractions, which is, I'm saying that because I'm looking at the next point, which is actually about limiting distractions. So this is when you're, when you're when you're at home, there's a lot of distractions around just you know, looking at the house and thinking I need to clean that or something. But then there's also notifications, and just other noises and things going on, like my dogs can be a real distraction when I hear them barking or playing in the background or things like that. So ways to sort of limit distractions, first and foremost is trying to remove as many notifications as you can.
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So one thing I do is I turn off notifications on my emails. And I only check my emails a couple of times a day. I also have like a pause function on my email. So new emails won't come into my inbox except for designated times of the day. So if I have to go to my inbox to like refer to an email that a client sent or something for a project I'm working on, I'm not going to get distracted by all these new emails coming through.
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Yeah, I totally agree that notifications are huge. Just turn off all your notifications there. At this point, it's freaking 2021. There's no reason you should need to be notified for anything in real time. Generally, you can check your email when you want to check your email, you can check your Facebook and your Instagram when you want to check it like there's no reason to get dinged. When somebody likes a photo. It's just it's that's such a dated approach to just living life. That's just gonna stress you out if that's already you. So, like, that was game-changing for me. Same thing with email, you know, everything from a business perspective and a personal perspective and limiting those notifications, turning those off. And then like you said, the distraction. So what's been interesting is, as you mentioned, I've launched my web design club. My web design club is what a platform called circle. And it's very you've seen me it's very much like a Facebook route meets Slack kind of because it's like in channels and stuff, but it's very clean, very minimalistic. And what's been really cool is it has all the functions of an online community without any of the fluff or distractions. So I'm really considering moving all of my course groups into different circles, kind of threads are setting something up that's off of Facebook. And actually, more and more of my students are signing up for Facebook accounts, just to join the club just to join the group. I mean, these Facebook groups that their students in my courses, so I'm definitely I'm looking, I'm really looking into that hard this year to just really take the whole distraction thing, you know, to a whole another level with combating that because it is it's I was gonna say stateside, but it's worldwide, everyone's so polarised right now. And it's just so easy to get into this trap of getting on Facebook, and not even that, but then there's ads, and then there's stuff that's cool that you want to look at. But I'm not against Facebook, but it definitely there needs to be a line between business and personal when it comes to social media, because it's really dangerous. So I'm definitely much more interested in forums and things that are outside of social media networks to limit the distractions. And as you were talking about, there's physical distractions. So having a place like, I know not everyone has an opportunity to have a home office, if you do, make a home office, make it your own. But I remember, like, even now, a lot of times I'm doing work elsewhere in the house, I'm still recovering from my knee surgery, as I mentioned to you right now. So I'm in my office doing this interview with you. But throughout the day, I've been on the couch with headphones in and been on the bed for a little bit with my leg up with headphones in like, there are ways to kind of centre yourself in your own little workspaces without being too terribly distracted, although it's difficult with a big family. But yeah, do what you can to limit those distractions. It's absolutely key.
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Yeah, definitely. And I'm, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit it took me up until probably about two years ago. So a good eight years into working from home before I was like, Oh, I'm gonna turn my spare room into an office, I used to just work at my dining table. Or then I'd sort of created my own stand up desk on top of like a hatch thing that I had. And then when I finally moved into this room, I have now my spare room and turning to my office and I could close the door. Oh my goodness, like It’s so much better. I just feel so much more productive when I'm in here. But on top of that, I can then close the door when I walk out of the work day and my work is done. And I don't get distracted by looking at my desk and thinking oh, yeah, I have to do that. So it's really created that physical separation, but also that sort of mental separation in my mind where that's work. And that's leisure time. So.
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Do you ever do any coffee shop work? Or do you ever go to coffee shops for work? Oh, not really. I find I get too distracted. Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, the only reason I say that is I, I do certain tasks at coffee shops, I love to get out to, particularly if I'm like writing or if I'm in my web design club, talking with students and stuff. That's those are the kinds of things I like doing there. But when it comes to anything art related or creative or design, I do that in my office and of course, use this stuff. So yeah, even for that, again, it just depends on what you like, and what you're into. And I think for people who like myself, who do enjoy getting out of the house to get some stuff done, definitely utilises opportunities if you're productive. And like I'd like to say, coffee shops, for me, are amazing for writing, I can get so much done in a couple of days. I hate writing in my office, I cannot write. For some reason in my office, it just doesn't generally go as well. I can write elsewhere, but my office is for like a productivity and stuff. But when it comes to a lot of high level writing, yeah, I don't like to do it in my office as much. But again, kind of whatever works for you.
18:57
For many years, like well over five years, I think I kind of treated my job a little bit. A little bit like a hobby like a little bit I was kind of just like not taking it too seriously. I sort of like plateaued on how much I was earning and it was comfortable and you know, as a single girl and I didn't need much money. So it's like fine, you know, no children or anything like that. And then as I was sort of starting to get older, I was like, oh, maybe like what I'm earning now isn't really reflective of what I have, you know, my skills and also my age. I guess as you get older, you know, you feel like you should be a little bit more than you were at 25 So yeah, investing in my setup and stuff really helped me think okay, yeah, like I'm, I'm legit now and I can charge I can feel confident charging what I'm charging.
19:49
Yeah, it's definitely a mindset. Like it helps you when you're in an office where like it looks legit and you feel legit. It just helps you and as the same can be said for a lot of other aspects too. Like you. No, I love working in a T-shirt and cosy pants. But I do try to not work and what I was like sleeping in because that's a whole nother, you know, it's like, it feels good just to even if you get dressed in other different cosy clothes, it's a mindset thing. So the same can be true with, with Office for sure is, or even a workspace like when I first started, I was in my dad's basement, I had the whole basement, I had my couch and my TV on one side, I had my bed on the other side, in the middle, I had my electric drum set and my desk with my computer, but my, my computer was like my workspace. So it was still, you know, very many work. And it definitely reflected what I was making compared to what I'm making now. So yeah, you, your office can make a big difference in your mentality, which that's I mean, the mind is where everything starts. So how you feel is how well your work is gonna go and how well your business is gonna do. So do whatever you need to do to to feel good for sure.
20:55
Another one point that I had that I think it's really important is to try to find a community.
Working from home is one of those things where you don't have obviously those office friendships or that camaraderie or that social outlet. As a lot of people obviously discovered last year it is now in 2020, when COVID hit and all of a sudden, so many people are working from home and feeling quite isolated. So making sure that you can find you have some kind of social outlet. So there's a whole bunch of things you can do. Obviously, if you have hobbies or you like to you know, exercise or whatever it might be having something that you like physically go to, on a regular basis can really help. I know I'm quite introverted, I don't like socialising too much. But just having like I like to go to Pilates. So just having that to go to a few times a week just gets me like out of the house and like talking to people and you know, finding out what's actually going on in the world, rather than just being in my little bubble. And but then also having, like, there's so many online communities as well. So like, Facebook groups, obviously, Josh and I both have Facebook groups. So there's heaps of Facebook groups out there. For designers or web designers, or pretty much anything you're interested in even like sausage dog groups, I'm part of them. So like you can be in any kind of group just to have that social outlet. But having one or a couple that focused on what you do can be really great for support and bouncing ideas off as well. Because you don't have the typical workmate situation that you would have in an office.
22:37
Yeah, there's, I feel like there's kind of three different levels of any sort of community. Like you mentioned, it could be something unrelated to work, whether it's just hobbies, or friends or whatever, or church or non, you know, any sort of nonprofit groups or something. But then there's an obviously it's harder now with COVID still going on. But anytime you can get out and actually see a real person is still amazing compared to anything virtual, we do what we can, but most of the world is what we're doing now, with Zoom calls are in these groups. But the other aspect is more business related. So yeah, like you said, there's a plethora of Facebook groups out there, I have one and you have one. And those are really good. My problem with those is, it's not like your tribe, necessarily, you'll get a lot of different people, particularly my group, I mean Divi group is almost 23,000 people.
23:24
Wow, like, I don't even honestly don't spend much time there anymore. Like I still manage it. But I'm much more focused on my tribe, like my students and my course groups. And then on my membership and my membership, that kind of a third level is like-minded people, these would be like mastermind groups, or people that you're, you're on the same trajectory with them, you might not be at the same place. Like my web design club has people who are really early on, and two really established web designers or any high six figures. So it's like, it's a mix of people. But the like-mindedness is there. So like, you can post a question in my membership, and you'll get the best answer. Whereas if you post that question in a 23,000, group.I don't know for sure what kind of answer you're gonna get, because that's a lot of people, there's gonna be some bad apples in there. So I think having a mix of the three is huge, doing something outside of, you know, work and actually in person, ideally, having, there's plenty of free versions with groups, because I'm part of several Facebook groups that will happen every once in a while, but then having some type of group that is more premium, because that will challenge you, if you're in a premium group that will challenge you to make the most of it, and you're gonna get so much more out of it. If it's something you are, you're paying to be there. So I do really encourage all web designers and graphic designers to look for something like that because it is such a worthwhile investment.
24:50
Sorry, I'm wanting to run through a few sort of quick questions with you just to see what
where we're both out with these things. So the first one is do you have lunch at your desk? Or do you sort of exit the office? I do not eat lunch at my desk. I do all my eating at the dinner table usually. Or on the couch, depending on what we're having. Yeah, we I've never eaten in my office. Yeah, I don't think I ever have. I've always been about getting out of my office for a little bit to eat. Yeah. Oh, good on you. I only probably again in the last couple of years of being intentional about not eating at my desk. And I really, I find that nice. I like to have a set sort of this is my lunch break. And then either you eat at the dinner table, or even go out in the veranda and have my lunch there. And I find that makes me sort of just keep things a little bit separate and actually take that time away from my computer. Because if I eat at my desk, I just keep working. And I don't even notice the delicious food that I'm eating.
25:50
So yeah, I also do I usually always walk my dog at lunch around the time usually. So it's usually take a break for lunch, walk my dog, and that's usually my podcast time to I might throw podcasts on for 15-20 minutes. That's a nice little break, and then I get back to it. Next question, do you get dressed for work or not? I think we kind of hit it a little bit. Yeah, it's changed over the years, particularly with the girls and stuff. Like I used to always wear jeans and a button up for a little while just to really, I was also working with a lot more corporate clients back then. So when I would do calls and stuff, I, I it just kind of seemed to suit where I was at. Whereas now I'm all about, you know, keeping it pretty cosy and pretty chill, the big thing is, like I said, I will always at least get changed, I never start working in the clothes that I just woke up in. And there's nothing worse than having undone hair and you know, Shaggy clothes and you're trying to get through email. So I at least get something on that I feel good. And it might fit into like in summer months here. Sometimes I like I'll take a run earlier in the afternoon. And then I'll follow up with maybe an hour worth of work. So I might just, you know, I might have gym shorts on a t shirt or, but it kind of depends on the task to have I'm doing calls with my students or if I'm doing like a live q&a, I might put on something it's a little nicer than just a regular t shirt. But these days I wouldn't count on it. It's much more. Comfort is more important than anything in our stage of life currently.
27:15
Um, we kind of touched on this already is having a clearly defined having clearly defined working hours.
27:20
Yeah, so I, I don't as much now I used to, I used to be much more strict about that. But what's interesting is I make way more than I used to, and I do it with where I mean, I probably honestly work on average 30 to 35 hours a week, at most, some weeks, we were 25 there, okay, you know, if I'm like building a course, or there's something big going on, I might have longer days, but on average, it's it's 30 to 35. So, the big thing was that though it is just the blocks. And in some cases, I don't even work that much depending on what the work segments look like. SoI don't necessarily have the work hours, but I do have clearly defined goals for the week and for the day. And I have clearly defined days on when I when I do certain tasks, like I said when scheduling calls or stuff like that, because you have to have somewhat of a structure, whatever that looks like for you, you still have to have some of that structure. But I do have general times I generally work like usually after my family I practice. That's when I do my biggest segment of the day. And then it's usually lunch and then I'll usually do a segment you know after that and then depending on what's going on with the girls or whatever, I'll kind of work around that and then sometimes occasionally, a segment here or there in the evenings just a short segment depending on what the day looks like.
28:40
And last a quick question do I read this the other day and I don't have this yet but do you have a transitory team for when you go into work and when you leave work?
28:50
I would let I'm glad you clarified that because I wasn't exactly sure what this question thing umI think the biggest thing that has helped me transition from like work mode I guess this is in reference to like work mode and yeah, life mode there's a cool I'm gonna give this quote to you early. I'm going to talk about this in the designer boss Summit coming up here soon. This has been like one of the major keys for me in life. And it goes like this. Wherever you are, be there. So if you're working work if you're on social media, enjoy that for a little bit but then transition and be with your family, be with your family and I this is really hard.
30:00
who is working and constantly thinking about vacation and then you're on vacation and you can't stop thinking about work. Like I remember a couple of years ago, I was watching a hockey game and I was doing some email, my wife was telling me something and I was on the floor with my daughter and I realised I didn't catch what the heck was going on the game.It took me half an hour to get done something that would take 5 minutes normally . In my work segment, I didn't really get to spend time with my girl and I have no idea what my wife had just said. So I was a total failure because I was multitasking as actually. So I have a big beef with multi-tasking. I think People are finding out it’s a sham. And if you focus on one task at a time, that will pay off so much more in the long run. And you will have more balance going back to This whole talk. You will feel mentally clear and more balanced and you won't feel stress, you won't feel all over the place. And it all goes back to just being there, doing what you're doing. So probably a long waited answer to the transition but that has definitely helped because of these podcasts, I’m doing this. After this I’m done. I’m transitioning to family time. And this particular evening I’m not gonna log on at all. I am done. I won’t be on until tomorrow morning. Transitioning is just about mentally switching from one compartment to another .
31:25
So to everyone that's listening, you can probably see why I am this angle with Josh for years now. You are always so open and honest and happy to share not only your advice but your step ups, the things that you’ve done wrong in the past and save us from making those same mistakes ourselves. So thank you! And if anyone is keen to learn from Josh and for free then, definitely grab your free ticket to our upcoming Designer Boss Summit. There will be a link in the show notes. And I know Josh Presentation last year was one of the highlights. It was definitely one of my favourites. So you’ll definitely wanna check out this new one this year. So Josh if anyone is interested in working with you or finding more about you. Where can they find you online?
32:14
So Yeah my website is Joshhall.co All my stuff is there. You can check out my podcast, tutorial, anyone is interested any of my courses that are really keen in certain areas of design. You are welcome to scan those. Looks like a good fit. Anyone can contact me for any questions.particularly to those who are transitioning into web design and I definitely love helping people out. And yes, go to the website. And I am looking forward to the Summit and I will be talking about “Running a web design agency but keeping your sanity . Some of the points we talk about today will make their way in there. So there's a lot of people talk about growth and numbers but there are not too many people talking about doing it while staying balanced and healthy. So I'm really excited about that.
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I can't wait
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