As we raise a toast to milestones like my sister Roxanne Ruby's retirement and my daughter's return, we grapple with the icy enigmas of cryogenics. Imagine pausing life's clock – what would it mean to awaken in a future where time has left you behind? This episode isn't just about the science of sub-zero slumber; it's a tapestry of personal joy, comic book nods, and the profound questions that come with the territory of indefinitely extending one's existence.
Have you ever chuckled over a mix-up between Marvel and DC, only to spiral into a debate over ethics and animal testing? That's the rollercoaster we're on, moving from the lighthearted to the serious, as we connect artificial gravity's role in space travel to the ethical implications of medical research. And, as if that's not enough, we ponder whether we'll be clocking in for a job in the afterlife or crafting emails with our minds thanks to Elon Musk's brain-computer interfaces.
The finale of our journey is as deep as it gets – we contemplate immortality through the lens of cryopreservation. What if the essence of who we are could outlast our physical form, or if our digital selves could forge across the cosmos? We wrap up the discussion with musings on the cycle of life, reincarnation, and the eternal human narrative. Prepare to be intrigued, amused, and maybe even a bit bewildered, as we explore the vast implications of life extended by ice.
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As we raise a toast to milestones like my sister Roxanne Ruby's retirement and my daughter's return, we grapple with the icy enigmas of cryogenics. Imagine pausing life's clock – what would it mean to awaken in a future where time has left you behind? This episode isn't just about the science of sub-zero slumber; it's a tapestry of personal joy, comic book nods, and the profound questions that come with the territory of indefinitely extending one's existence.
Have you ever chuckled over a mix-up between Marvel and DC, only to spiral into a debate over ethics and animal testing? That's the rollercoaster we're on, moving from the lighthearted to the serious, as we connect artificial gravity's role in space travel to the ethical implications of medical research. And, as if that's not enough, we ponder whether we'll be clocking in for a job in the afterlife or crafting emails with our minds thanks to Elon Musk's brain-computer interfaces.
The finale of our journey is as deep as it gets – we contemplate immortality through the lens of cryopreservation. What if the essence of who we are could outlast our physical form, or if our digital selves could forge across the cosmos? We wrap up the discussion with musings on the cycle of life, reincarnation, and the eternal human narrative. Prepare to be intrigued, amused, and maybe even a bit bewildered, as we explore the vast implications of life extended by ice.
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Cotman, crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast. Hey everybody, kenny Cotman, lewis Crawford and I'm Tom Remmage, the Jersey Guy.
Speaker 2:Yo, what is going on? My peoples Not much, man, I'm more than good today. How you doing, sir Lou. Good you. Yeah, I'm chilling like a mother fucker like always, Nice. Enjoying myself chilling enjoying life, whatever, whatever. Yeah, what did I do? What have I done lately? Where did I go Shout out to my other little sister, ms Roxanne? She retired, bro, she was a sergeant detective. Yeah, so that's my honey, and proud of her Shout out, she's chilling, yes, nice. So Ms Roxanne Ruby, good stuff, baby, congratulations, enjoy retirement man Earned it yes definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she was a cop for a long time City of Newburgh, then down to Rockland County and she ran up to the ranks and you know she's the shit. Yeah man, but she is man, yeah, so big shout out nothing but love, yes, congrats. Yeah, and everything else is peace with everybody. Yeah, yeah. Oh no, my daughter. She's moving down back down here. She's stationed in Buffalo. Now she's coming back down to this part of town.
Speaker 3:They moved her back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so she's getting you know just stationed, relocated, whatever. So she'll be home. Yeah, I was fucking excited for that one, that's cool, so yeah yeah, yeah. So I guess for me it's been just tight busy bro. Yeah, it's been a crazy beginning of the year, January. Well, February into March has been running back and forth and stuff. So, yeah, we're chilling, so I'm happy.
Speaker 1:Very good man.
Speaker 2:Yes, all right, that's enough about me, yeah well, technically this podcast is about Kenny, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying there's many of you guys who want to live forever.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes. He wants to find a way where he can have to die and just be able to live, whether that means being downloaded into a computer or freeze his body or something.
Speaker 2:You know, so we do it. On cryogenics yes, that's our topic today.
Speaker 1:Cryogenics. Cryogenics.
Speaker 3:That's where they actually freeze you right, right, extreme temperatures and keep you in preservation for until the time comes, with whatever it's you passed away of or Right if there's a cure or something.
Speaker 2:They can bring you back, so then they can download you into the idea, or is it more to that too? Well, people that just wanted to live forever. So you're looking at all the super rich people that were like I don't want to die what? Can we do so? You know they.
Speaker 1:Or is it going to be like in demolition man, when we freeze the criminals and cops?
Speaker 2:Well, that was the initial idea, right, but none of the rehab, the way that they did it in the movie. So it was supposed to be just you are frozen. And then, when time comes that if you were frozen because you were, you were sick that then they would revive you when there was a cure for a year, sick Right, they would treat you Right, and then you'd be, you know, cured, and whatever the problem I believe was, they couldn't figure out how to revive you. Yeah, because everything's frozen.
Speaker 3:So they have to let you thought technically Right.
Speaker 2:So then it's hard to throw you out, right? And that's what we're going to be, that's what our research is telling us now, right? So then, what did you read about that?
Speaker 3:Did you get?
Speaker 2:to that far down the thing yeah this thing is great, you know.
Speaker 3:I went on and checked it out you know at his call. Cryogenics is the study of how materials behave in extreme low temperatures, typically below a negative 150 degrees Celsius, negative 238 degrees Fahrenheit. It's a field that encompasses various disciplines, including psych, Like physics, chemistry, engineering. One of the most well known application of cryogenics is the preservation of biological tissue through a process called cryopreservation Right Cryopreservation.
Speaker 2:Because I want us to be here forever. So then, now right, and preserve.
Speaker 3:That's the whole idea. Right, so they got to be able to preserve it. My concern is how does the tissue don't, how doesn't it break down? You know what I mean. I guess because it has to be at that extreme temperature that stops it from breaking down at some point. Or can it still break down even though it's under that particular? How long can they keep it?
Speaker 2:That's what the issues are now Right, because we don't, we don't, we still don't know, without throwing somebody out, how well it is, so like so example, somebody that's now been frozen for the last 20 years, we don't know what it's going to look like when we bring them back.
Speaker 2:So now, even if they come back, or if they well, yeah, well, even if we just thought out, you know what the room, the body back to room temperature, you know, we don't even know what the people's mind is Like. We don't know all that stuff, you know, and that's what it is. So so now we don't know about the tissue breakdown because they don't even, I don't think they've ever thought anybody out to find out.
Speaker 1:Also, like that's the thing too, like maybe how they're frozen needs to be a certain way.
Speaker 2:Right, you know it's like maybe they got freezing up is bad.
Speaker 1:Maybe slowly freezing is better. I don't know. They probably. I think it is a slow freeze.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but let's not put that down to the side. I definitely think it is at its core. We already read that Cryopreservation involves cooling living tissue by very low temperatures to halt all biological activity, essential putting calls into a state of suspended animation. This has profound implications for organ transplantation, as it could potentially extend the viability of organs tissues, saving countless lives. So I guess from what I'm reading here is basically, they could still be able to use what they froze to help other people, right?
Speaker 2:to do other things, so if I would have to do like the cloning and all that other stuff. So now that's actually not a bad idea actually.
Speaker 3:That would be kind of groovy. Well, the person volunteers for that and says, hey, I want my body to be used to help other people Right donate it to science. Yeah, or use my heart, use my liver, it's all good, take it, use it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you want to be an organ donor and such.
Speaker 2:So now there was a middle aged woman in LA that was stored out and then was buried because her body didn't have whatever it was and she just didn't bring her back. So now the first person was back. In April 66, the first human body was frozen. It had been involved for two months by being placed in a liquid nitrogen and stored by being placed in liquid nitrogen and stored at just above freezing. So I guess the liquid nitrogen is what it is and if they're involved, that means that they've got the liquid nitrogen running through the veins, or you know that. That's what froze them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know if this is actually in the actual. I think everything is still in there, but I don't think they empty you out. Yeah, that's, I think you're definitely, you're all put into it, or somehow it just encases you in like a. Yeah you know, I can't, I can't imagine the process on how they would do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see so, no human being. But it's gotta be precise, right, exactly. So. No human being has ever been deliberately cryogenically frozen, thawed and brought back to life so I had, I knew a kid that was frozen.
Speaker 3:She took these, froze them right, put them in the freezer, like put them in the thing, freeze them and then form out for some reason, and then they would come back and they would live for some reason and they would fly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for some reason.
Speaker 1:Well, that's actually, I think, in nature that happens. That's how, when they're hibernating, they freeze.
Speaker 2:That's when they hibernate.
Speaker 1:They actually go to hibernate.
Speaker 3:Very good point. So they very good point. Is it the same with insects? Because usually insects do die off at the end of the year, but the ones that like are you know, that's where they come from you know, for the whole winter they hibernate, Right right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's in that, but I think Something that frogs too.
Speaker 1:Frogs can actually freeze.
Speaker 3:Yeah and they come back. Let's just have a capability to do that down in Florida, Like if it gets too cold down they fall out of the trees. And then, when it does warm up, they come back.
Speaker 1:It's weird, so I'm sure they're using insects and dead hives.
Speaker 3:That as well as to research the technology. Look, why do the animals keep on doing it? Why can an insect do it? Right? They're definitely looking into that, to show, to figure that out and get us, or a human being, to do the same thing Right.
Speaker 2:That's like in Spider-Man. Spider-man, that's where the yeah shit's come up.
Speaker 1:I was going to say Dr Octopus, but not him.
Speaker 2:It was a croc killer croc he was. The scientist lost his arm.
Speaker 3:Right and he wanted to get it back and then it turned him into a croc Right and the only time he had a appendage. No, killer croc was Batman. It was a killer croc.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was Batman. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry for the fans, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:No, that's right, that was Batman. Yeah, dr Croc yeah.
Speaker 2:Dr Croc. Yeah, no, but that's you know. But the point is just that you know that's that's what made people, the humans, try to do it, that's what made the scientists do it, because if the animals could do this, if insects could do this, then you know why can't we the death of it you're going to be doing?
Speaker 2:research on that as well. Yeah, so you know you have to. Everybody wants to live forever. Well, people just want to live longer, and you know how better to live longer than to turn around and freeze yourself be frozen. You know what I mean? Right, exactly, you know. I still say I'd rather be downloaded into a cyborg. So, it's called the Lizard.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the Lizard, Okay the Lizard. There you go, people yes. There you go.
Speaker 1:To Lizard.
Speaker 3:To all our fans. Sorry, correct it, I'm Stanley.
Speaker 2:Yep, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:That's all right, you know listen, you watch both. You know, yeah, you know, jumping from right. Hey, you know what?
Speaker 1:I do have to say, as someone who's a big fan into something now especially, I have to put it about like super into.
Speaker 3:Star Wars. It's just funny how we.
Speaker 1:If I hear someone say something wrong in Star Wars, I'm like my god, that's not right.
Speaker 2:So you know what. That's why we apologize. I apologize. You might be a hardcore Spider-Man fan. We know everything. You listen and be like. He got that wrong. I'm sorry, I'm admitting so, lizard.
Speaker 3:I beg your pardon and I'd say listen, you do Marvel, you do DC. Then you watch some of the things and you mix things up. Sometimes you mix it up.
Speaker 2:Again apologies, but anyway.
Speaker 1:so the point was that in that it's funny how we're bringing comics up In the cryogenesis Right because it's in the comics.
Speaker 2:So the way that In the Spider-Man comic the origin is that the doctor lost his arm, was trying to bring it back, help people get their limbs back, and that's how he became Lizard.
Speaker 3:And he tested it on himself.
Speaker 2:And he tested it on himself and it went backwards. Yeah, just Well it didn't go backwards, because he got his arm back.
Speaker 3:But it changed his.
Speaker 2:But it changed his.
Speaker 3:Only when he was the Lizard, though.
Speaker 2:Right, because so, yeah, so when he turned back, he didn't have his arm. He didn't have his arm. Yeah, but I'm saying that what the problem was, and that might be something I can't even say, it's like that. But mixing the Find out whatever gene or.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that was just something they used for the story. Yeah, for the show.
Speaker 2:But I mean, even if it came out to be true, so that then now you're going to turn around and do these things, you know there might be some side effects. Yeah right, so again. So now we said that the insects they hibernate, and such, when they hibernate their bodies, their chemical in their bodies makes it so that they can. They'll be frozen through the winter and then come back in the spring. Certain animals and stuff that you can, I said that. But so bears hibernate, raccoons don't right, they just not turn over the but you know, but still, like I said, like, frogs hibernate insects, so that then when they come back in springtime, that's the whole thing is.
Speaker 2:So then people just wanted to try that, people wanted to see it and I said I personally wouldn't have done that. That's a little bit extra. But you know, yeah, I mean, would you do it, tom what Be frozen?
Speaker 1:No, no, not for me. I don't. I don't know. I just think it's a weird thing to want to live forever and like it just seems like so much work to prolong my life. How much longer? You know what I mean. Like are they gonna?
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm having a little technical difficulties here. Oh, like a gangsta, what's up bitches? So Mike's, Hold the mic. All right, I'm out.
Speaker 2:Lose mic stand.
Speaker 3:At least you can do that with it. They had some technical difficulties, yeah.
Speaker 2:But now, yeah, so we're good, though, so we're good.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I just feel like it just seems like a lot of work to freeze someone. It's like, oh my God.
Speaker 2:I'm dying.
Speaker 1:I'm dying of cancer. I'm 70 years old right it's like you're frozen in time for 50 or 60 years or 100 years or 200 years, and then they throw you out to live another 10 years.
Speaker 2:It's kind of weird.
Speaker 1:And then you don't have. And then like is anybody you know gonna be around? You're gonna be alone. No, buddy, you're gonna be by yourself. It's so weird, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Right, you won't know what kind of future you'll be waking up in. Right, it'll be totally different than what you knew, so you would have to learn everything over again just to be able to adapt to whatever it's going on around you. I mean not that you couldn't do it, but it would have its challenges. I mean it would be.
Speaker 1:Obviously I don't think it's something I'd be able to afford anyway. Yeah, I wouldn't do it, but if it was like affordable for everybody to be frozen, I think like, and it was just like the thing to do, I would put constituents in it. I would be like, all right, if you're gonna freeze me, you can like unplug me or whatever. Or just you know, euthanize me if none everyone I know is dead. You know, like if everybody.
Speaker 3:I know or after 100 years.
Speaker 1:Everybody in my family has passed on on their own, then don't break.
Speaker 3:Just you can turn it off. How long do they give you an option? So wait 100 years. After 100 years. If you get nothing, unplug me and let me go that's it.
Speaker 1:Hundreds to be done.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm just saying, I'm giving up.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah, that is a long time, so people might do 100.
Speaker 1:Fucking that's way too long.
Speaker 3:So people might do 100.
Speaker 1:I don't wanna come and wake up 100. That's the thing, like that's like saying you have to be teleported 100 years into the future.
Speaker 3:And who knows what you're waking up into.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 3:If you're totally freaking, a fight man.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and you're. But yeah, I said maybe that's why I said I wouldn't wanna be frozen, but see for now.
Speaker 1:So here's the other part we all live underground now because Atlanta isn't inhabitable.
Speaker 3:Like there's a fucking radiation Like the 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, I love that show too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the 100.
Speaker 2:Yeah for the new one, the Chris Pratt Tomorrow War. Did you see that one? Tomorrow War? Yeah, people from the future came in to recruit people from the past to help fight a war.
Speaker 1:I guess there's eight-like-y shit, like if you're gonna freeze me, if you can't figure it out in like 15, 20 years, yeah, you know, I say 25. You could do 25. Yeah, 20, 25, yeah, come out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because I'm done, chop me up, throw me in with the hard feet.
Speaker 1:You wanna be chum.
Speaker 3:Give it to the horses and whoever.
Speaker 2:Right. So, now here's where, like I said, so, we've all been talking.
Speaker 3:You're not there anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, no, but you know now. So we've been talking about you know, just get frozen and be brought back and throw it out and whatnot. But you ready? Dun, dun, dun, dun. You have to already be dead, you have to be like, you have to die and within like 10 minutes after you die, it has to be right away.
Speaker 2:It has to be right away, so that then those that believe in having a soul and going to heaven and such, if carry it, you're already dead. So you're, you're assed out, you're fucked. So there is no coming back if you don't have a soul. If you know, for those who are that kind of religious, unless you're able to time on how long they had before that happened. Say again you lost me. Say again.
Speaker 3:Like how long does it actually take you to get from here wherever you're going?
Speaker 2:next? Well, right, but then, well, when you? So you're going to have to just roam, so your soul is going to roam the earth until no no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying, like you know, going by what you just said, right quick, that then that's what it'll be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I'm going extreme, I'm just saying yeah, Okay, fair enough, right.
Speaker 2:So that then my thought process, though, or how I'm thinking about it, is you, now your brain. So your brain's not functioning Right.
Speaker 3:So everything has to be, it has to, everything has to be. I would imagine that they have the brain in in focus with as far as the freezing thing goes.
Speaker 2:Right, so then how would you die? So then how would you die, I guess, it depends on how you die. Right, Right. So then now I'm dying of cancer. I have to kill myself, or you know how does the can see work?
Speaker 3:That's how you become a candidate for that. Is that something you can just do for anything? Or you can get a new organ when you come back right, or we can give them a new liver, so now we can get them back, or new, new kidneys, right, or whatever it is Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I'm going to look at it right now.
Speaker 3:How do we have the cure Cancer so we can bring them back?
Speaker 1:You know what would be the ultimate thing, though, if they can figure out how to, kind of like you know, the show upload. Yeah, I love, that's what I'm talking about. But if they could do that and, like you, upload your brain onto like a hard drive.
Speaker 3:And then you can.
Speaker 1:So he talks about this friggin nut and then right, you can like move your hard drive into any like device. It's like you know what you should do. You could be any robot.
Speaker 2:And just like a crazy. That's what I'm saying. I'll tell you Go ahead, no say that one.
Speaker 3:No that you would upload yourself onto a computer.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're able to do it. Let's say you can do it, right, right, you can give it to anybody, and you give it to the one person that busted your balls all your life that you can get. You know like they? Just like nagging.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Nagging every day, so see.
Speaker 3:So you send that to one bro. Now they got it.
Speaker 2:They can't get you off their computer as soon as they download that's it, your virus, you're in there. You're in there. You're like you're fucking whole life. You're funny as hell. Fucking methods.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You see, that's why, that's probably why they're not going to upload people straight into a fucking computer, right, because you know what I mean. You motherfuckers, those people like you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so for, like, coro genics, I guess, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I feel like that would be like a good alternative. They couldn't, if they couldn't figure out, to like bring you back maybe they can take your like brain and scan it and like get all your memories, or I don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, they say, here is challenges. The extreme temperatures involved can cause materials to become brittle, leading to potential safety hazards. Additionally, the cause of maintaining cryogenic systems and storing materials at such a low temperatures can be prohibitive.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like your skin's gonna break down.
Speaker 3:Like freezer burn.
Speaker 1:Well, no, but that's why you say on the like that Well no, so it's not like freezer burn.
Speaker 2:That's why they freeze you with the liquid nitrogen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what the liquid nitrogen is.
Speaker 2:You know this way you don't get freezer burn in here. Then your organs and stuff are frozen like that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what that is.
Speaker 3:But they say here, research has continued to push the boundaries of cryogenic exploring new applications and pushing the limits of what possible For medical breakthroughs to space exploration. The future of cryogenics is a vast and cold as the depths of space itself. Right, you see?
Speaker 2:So what do?
Speaker 1:they mean for space exploration. It's like, oh, we'll freeze you on your way because it'll take 50 years to travel.
Speaker 2:I guess there was a plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the whole idea, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't like that. You know why? Because like what happens if you wake up 50 years later and the earth is gone.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's what we were saying earlier, but if you're doing, space exploration. You're gonna have to somehow be put in some sleep stasis.
Speaker 2:Right, so that then you would have everything that you need as far as IVs and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they would have to be able to. You would be constantly observed.
Speaker 2:Right. So then now the people. So they would have two sets of people.
Speaker 3:You may like what bears do hibernation.
Speaker 2:Right, right, so like say, you go on a 50 year track through space. That then you are. Now you have people, doctors, that aren't going to be frozen, right?
Speaker 3:well, I think right now, so they can maintain and take care of everybody that is frozen. I think the farthest to doing right now is, but I don't think they'll be sleeping for it, so it takes about. I'm not sure if we can look it up three years to get to Mars Dude, was it more? No, months.
Speaker 2:Is it months? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's months. Was it like six months or something?
Speaker 1:like that, yeah something like that, yeah, it's not years to get to.
Speaker 2:Mars anyways. Yeah, so that then right, so you wouldn't need that you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Right, you would somehow be able to kind of like what they did when they. What was the movie with the Red Planet? I think it was with what's his name.
Speaker 2:Mars, there's the Martian, with Matt Damon Right that one Martian.
Speaker 3:Right and they had to go back.
Speaker 2:To go pick, to go, go, go, go, go, go, go go.
Speaker 3:They had to ship everything turned, so they had gravity by doing that.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so they were able to walk normally and everything. Yeah, so they could keep their muscles up. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1:That's how anti-gravity would work. Right, right yeah well, like I said, this is Artificial gravity.
Speaker 2:Right, so that then that's what it would be if we were gonna go traveling through space. Yeah, so then that would be us going through space. You know that they would again like you would have the people that would be frozen, and then you have the people that would stay awake to make sure that you know, and then you would have, I don't wanna say two generations, but you know whatever, just a pilot's and everybody there, and then maybe a younger crew, but that's what they would throw out first.
Speaker 2:That's what it can help revive everybody else, and you know all that kind of stuff. That's the idea for the space exploration, like you said, for here on Earth it was just a matter of, oh, I just wanna bring back when there's a cure for this, because I don't wanna live in this kind of pain and all that kind of shit. You know what I mean. And I said, yeah, I wouldn't want to. But now we know Sir Elon Musk Musk, sir Elon Musk he is now. He set up that little trip thing that somebody put in their head and they hooked it up to their brain and now they can make a mouse move on a-.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I saw that. That's amazing. Yeah, so this one one we can talk to our husband now because she's looking up to him on computer. She's handicapped, she's in a wheelchair, and they're reading it, oh yeah. She's able to communicate and laugh now at the things he's saying to her.
Speaker 2:Right. But for so she actually can communicate with him even if she's not physically able to do it, how was it that? What's his name? Oh, shoot that's crazy.
Speaker 1:He was in our length, though the guy. They don't like animal testing for that shit. It's kinda fucked up.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I guess you know, but we live in the most.
Speaker 3:It's hard sometimes to go through it a day just to know what when you look around you and see what's going on and just certain things.
Speaker 2:You're like, oh my God, you know.
Speaker 3:it's like what is the deal? But that's a whole other podcast.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right. What is the deal with that? Yeah, so yeah, don't be totally good at saying it.
Speaker 3:So yeah, they definitely are doing that. So, but they do fight against it and hopefully they won't do it anymore. You know we can get that done.
Speaker 2:Well, not it, because now it's to where they're going to just start doing it on people.
Speaker 3:Right. People would have to volunteer and give Right right, right. Yeah, think about it.
Speaker 2:Who's not going to try to volunteer, like how many people are already lined up that they're going to try to do it Because they know they have to live a certain way. The company is helping pay for them to live a certain way. He said this way you know they can chest they. You have to make sure that this is working right. So you have to be where I can see you catch you. So you're living in a right, you know cool little house and you come in and do experiments and shit all day long, you know whatever, check it out.
Speaker 3:So we were talking about space before space exploration.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 3:And is the use of liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen as a rocket propellant. Propellants the cryogenic fuels are stored at ultra low temperatures to maintain them in a liquid state until they are needed for propulsion, providing high energy needed to launch spacecraft into orbit and beyond. Right. There you go, so it's used for that as well, and so that's cold Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's super cold, yeah, and I don't know. Man, I don't. Like I said I'm all for. Like you know, I said I want to live for a long time. I would like to, you know, be downloaded into a robot or whatever, or like you were saying, you know, like upload that to the show.
Speaker 3:I would want it to happen if it happened by accident. In other words, you didn't plan for it, you didn't think it was going to happen, you died, you thought you were dead, whatever, and then the next thing you know, somebody brings your ass back.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And you know, like you know it happened. Somehow your body was donated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Something you know you could come a story up with it.
Speaker 3:We could probably put something on there and come up with some frig story, right?
Speaker 2:But I'm saying like that kind of shit would happen, Like really, yeah, Of course I can't win the lot.
Speaker 3:Oh, I can't get anything. They bring me back yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, pulling me back.
Speaker 2:But I think that that's what for me, that's what I think would be the cool thing of being uploaded like that that you can like now you know, I know, I would know, you know. Think of how many movies that we've seen where somebody's living for a super long time, for years. You know what I mean and but they've become rich.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what I mean. Yeah, the downside, you know. Depending on the person you are, though, too, you know I could say and talk shit now Like, yeah, no, I would probably be OK. You know, the family passes or they're so old and all that other good stuff. Right, you know it would probably mess with me for a little bit, but you know it's. Could I do it? You know what I'm saying. You know, would I want to?
Speaker 3:do it, but by the time you get older, you'll be in a different place in your life and you'll be like yeah, no, I'm not coming back. Screw these guys.
Speaker 2:Well, no, as far as cryo is concerned, yes, Like I said, but I really think that I would want to live in a grown up.
Speaker 1:Like I said, I don't think the tech would be available then by that time if I were to do it like I said, it would be a very short time limit. I don't like. I don't want to come back and like everyone's fucking dead.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, but see, all right, so boom. So I'm thinking, you know we'll go back with the, with the space exploration, right. So now, if you're going to turn around and you can download me into a robot or you know whatever that, then I would be able to go and travel to wherever, so that it wouldn't be here with the family. You know I wouldn't be here seeing everybody die, but I'm also helping spread us, you know well, just that's not a kind of crazy?
Speaker 2:But you know that I said, but that's you know, that's what I would see, that's what my head would be, that now we're able to thrive on another planet.
Speaker 3:And you know just see what the other side of the would have a machinery they threw out on Mars somewhere and you'd be riding around the rover.
Speaker 2:But it would be well, it would be me, but I would be digging out. You know I would be digging, doing the order, scientific stuff. You know you're a machine.
Speaker 3:You still be listening to you, you know yeah, my freestyle or school hip hop.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you know just the way the part is.
Speaker 1:If you're like, if, you're like a machine, right you're, you can multitask.
Speaker 2:So you can be like on Facebook and while you're working, right, yeah, exactly, multiple, multitask, multi-task, I think.
Speaker 3:I think I'm good. You know, listen, I'm not going to say I'm not afraid, Of course, I'm afraid of dying you know, but we don't know how we're going to die. We don't know that right so, but you know I'm ready to go to the wherever is supposed to go. Yes, yes, you know like you know what I'm done here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see how, about you? I'm out.
Speaker 1:Well, I see you, I'm out. I still have to raise my son. You know what I mean Well that's well, yeah, no, when it's okay now.
Speaker 3:He's going to die when you're alive, by the way.
Speaker 1:Just so you know that.
Speaker 2:You're going to be an old man.
Speaker 3:He's going to be in his mid old.
Speaker 1:No, I'm willing. I thought if I were to die now, if I was, I'm not saying.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to be like oh you mean like the cryogenic thing, right.
Speaker 2:Right, yes, Like you know, you're 75 years old, you know? Would you Done yeah?
Speaker 1:Done. Yeah, I don't know. I don't need to freeze myself Me you know, I think it's just.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I would say maybe I'm just a little bit nosy, I'm good. Yeah, I just want to see what else is next, like I always want to see that.
Speaker 1:Like I said most cultures right.
Speaker 3:Believe in what?
Speaker 2:Be incarnation. We should have a podcast on that, but you don't remember what you most 95, 80.
Speaker 3:But if you get, someone who is able to. Now they say, you can go to a hypnotist or someone who's able to, you know, get you into that place where you can tap into who you might have been or who you are back in the day. Hey, listen, they do have those people out there that supposedly can help you with that situation.
Speaker 2:Right, right, so now, there you go, people will help you.
Speaker 3:It's like Star Trek, star Wars.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Everybody's got to go somewhere, to get something to help them out, to fix something to make it work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I have a hard time with that part of me. Oh, my God, you know what I'm saying. Like I said, I'm trying to just you know. I said, you know, everybody knows I like to play devil's advocate, but it's just, it depends on your belief, because now, if you are, if we are reincarnated, okay, now I go and I bring it back. You know, I try to remember what it is.
Speaker 3:So you don't have any time. You can go right now and check out Well, no, well, no by the way can you die, or you've already lived three lives.
Speaker 2:We don't know what. There's any such thing as reincarnation? There's been no proof of son. Right. So that then, now is it? That there's not reincarnation is just my subconscious of the life that I wanted to live, would like to have, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right now. So do you believe that you're going to go somewhere when you die? You know we're not talking, we shouldn't be talking about this right now, but I'm trying to clear something up here. Right, you do file, you have a cross, you do all that when it comes to your religion.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Uh huh.
Speaker 3:But at the same time you're telling me you don't believe in what your religion is saying.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Not that I don't believe what it is, it's just about where no, so I'm not quite sure if that's really what's going to happen Right, if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2:So you're a little doubtful. Oh yeah, I'm a lot of doubtful. Okay, you know about a lot of shit. You know, I'm not going to say different, you know. That's why you don't know. Listen, that's going to be another conversation yeah, we're going to do another conversation. Yeah, yeah, that's going to be different.
Speaker 3:But the cryogenics, I think, for me, I personally think like I wouldn't do it, I wouldn't suggest it for anybody. It doesn't seem like the right thing. If you're supposed to come back, then it'll happen Right when it's supposed to happen, right, you know. Right. Um, they say we're connected to the universe Right. So, and when you know, when you look at what we're made of, what we made of all the elements that are in the universe, Right.
Speaker 3:You know. So that's just crazy. That's crazy. It means a lot. There's a connection there, you know, and I just think we're too ignorant right now or not open enough to really pay attention to that. So I think we're getting there, though. Now I think things have changed a little bit Because of because of social media and platforms that we have with people we don't normally hear from every day. Have that voice, you know, that can tell you or teach you something, whether it's medicine, science, politics, whatever it is what we're talking about, you know.
Speaker 2:Cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get it. I hear that you know that. And all that stuff that we're doing now as far as the medical field is concerned is just to keep us living longer, right, and we have Right, so that then in life.
Speaker 3:They've saved the expense, we've gone. But what were they dying at in revolutionary? Oh yeah, yeah, 40. Yeah, 45. Yeah 40.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, right, yeah, and you're a million percent right. So that then now here we are, where would it be even worthwhile to be? Frozen. Yeah, yeah, right. So if I can live to be 150, then you know what, fine, I'm cool with that. I would like to see that.
Speaker 3:So are they allowing people to to freeze themselves? But you have to be dead. What you were saying earlier, right, you have to be dead before they freeze.
Speaker 2:So then, Right, so then you use that and I said if we're going to believe in the souls and stuff, then you're already gone. Do you come back like a pet cemetery? You know what I'm saying? Like yeah, you know the, you know what's going to, what's your mental going to be when you come out.
Speaker 1:Right, I get it. No, I get it. That that's. I just look at it from the scientific approach, because I'm you know, I'm an atheist.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Like as it, the only way is if the brain is not damaged. If there's any damage to the brain, they're going to come back, Right?
Speaker 2:Right, exactly, yeah, so you're able to keep you preserved to the point.
Speaker 1:The brain needs to not have any. When, when, when water freezes, it crystallizes. Right the image is tissue.
Speaker 3:Exactly. That's probably why they freeze slowly, right For slow freezes Right Without, not in, regular ice. Super. Yeah, it's not like it's cold water Right, they do it.
Speaker 1:It's the way that the, the, the nitrogen freezes. Yeah, that's why you're not. You know it doesn't crystallize, right? Yeah, it's the way that you think, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I, bro, listen, I would like to just live straight. I don't think that I've, you know, not on our conversation. I don't think I'd like to be frozen and then bought back. I think I would be chilled with just just being able to live a long life. Yeah, you know what I mean. I would stay with that, you know, be able to do whatever medically possible right now, but also we're going to break down the certain point.
Speaker 1:If you're religious, then why would you want to live longer? I've always. If you're just going to the religion, is pass on to the next.
Speaker 2:You know, you know so why?
Speaker 1:why freeze yourself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're going to go, you're about to go see other people. Yeah, because you're going to see all the greatest musicians in the world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, fuck, yeah, you know who's to say we're not right, right and and we'll come back from the dead, and so they spoke to whoever they will win.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:And already you got to go back. We did a podcast on this.
Speaker 2:Yes, I know.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep. And they say you know the universe is a very vet. We barely made a dent on what we know. Right how, what it's about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, no dent, no dental.
Speaker 3:There's more stuff for us to do. Yeah, on the future podcast.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, but I think I would just want to live straight. Not that I'm saying it.
Speaker 3:I thought you were straight bro.
Speaker 2:Well, listen, see, now that's another podcast. I'm saying you know that was Sir Lewis Crawford who said that I didn't say nothing. Yeah, people knocking on the door whooping his ass.
Speaker 3:Hey, I don't have a problem. Yeah, yeah, no, how would I tell?
Speaker 2:you, yeah, no, I think I would rather live straight through and be downloaded, Like how he say. You know, I'm just digging just being that robot, being that cyborg you know met. There was a movie on Netflix and your consciousness was downloaded Like this little disk, and you would take it and you would be downloaded into a different body and do a robot Well, didn't?
Speaker 3:they have a movie with Bruce Willis. Wait, even when you're alive, you can download your mind into a better body where you just live it. You're laying in that capsule.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, no, but they were living at home.
Speaker 1:But everybody left that home and they just had a robot that went and walked around outside.
Speaker 3:But it was then, yeah, and then they operated the robot that was their consciousness, but they weren't physically there.
Speaker 2:They were more you know so Then, well, that's a different, that's a whole other idea right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:You never know. Listen man science fiction. It's crazy. Some crazy stuff has come true Hell, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it comes from somewhere. You know that thought process, the quote, unquote fiction in the movies. I don't believe that it's all 100%, just people thinking by themselves. I think there's a little bit of a subliminal somewhere that just came and dropped that knowledge that I did at thought process or that shit is coming to fruition, yeah man it really is. Like I said, if Elon Musk is already putting in the chip in somebody's head where they can control their phones, their desktop, their laptops, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3:I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1:Because, like the thing that was, I have to think like fucking, what is it? What is that Manchurian? Candy yeah Like you could just do that and just hack people's brains and hack them to whatever.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what? Because we're getting hacked now. So, yeah, hacking into your fucking body? No, thank you yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just like we're going to hack into people and like stop their hearts and shit, right, yeah, it's fucked up.
Speaker 3:What do I mean? Didn't they use the same concept in Terminator?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the terrorist guy. It was like a major terror attack and like everybody just fucking dropped them at the same time?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because they hacked into people's?
Speaker 2:yeah, fuck that. No, damn it. You just fucked me up. I guess I'm just going to die right here. Listen because you've got to be careful father, Because you have people who, who, who, who. I think a worst case scenario.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 1:I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking party killer.
Speaker 3:Yeah, listen, you're, you're speaking the truth because you have people out there that would do the opposite of the way we think. I am Not. Everybody thinks like that.
Speaker 2:They think about that now. So yeah, so you have to think the way you already made that work.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, the Debedowner yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I bummed out now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, that mean, like I said, those who did the cryo, and I mean no.
Speaker 3:So apologizing to our listeners, though how many people have done it so far I don't know. I didn't want to see how many they did.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of money. I know that it's a lot of money, yeah.
Speaker 2:But apologizing to our listeners because, you know, making it sound like we were going to, you know just super information. But you know someone like us talking about not wanting to do it.
Speaker 3:Well, no, not really. It's not that we don't want to do it. Obviously, there are people that have their reasons for doing it right. Maybe a lot of money, maybe they have a long lineage of something in their life, you know, and they don't want to, you know something Right. It could be some crazy thought process on why they want to do it. You know you.
Speaker 1:For me it's like yeah, no, I mean, I'm good. Yeah, you will want to do it. There's more important things that they think that they could take?
Speaker 3:Did the Egyptians think that they could take with the stuff that they were buried with when they died?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Whatever right, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I'm saying so. It's you know, the, it's the thought process.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know they would, but yeah yeah, everybody, everybody knows.
Speaker 2:Everybody feels every religion, I should say, and not everybody Every religion feels that they can, that they crossing over and they're going to be, you know, go to the next life and be with their particular God, whoever they believe that it is, and, you know, live an amazing life and see all the family that has passed on and, you know, living some kind of glory, you know. So I mean it's something to look forward to. You know, I make the joke that I'm. You know they're not going to let me in the proletary gate. Try to get back, yeah.
Speaker 3:We're not getting in right away. Yeah, no, no, no, no. We got to talk to you. You guys got to paint the fence. We got to paint the fence. We got to talk about that in another episode.
Speaker 1:You guys got to fucking do some work outside, yeah.
Speaker 2:What's the proletary game? So we're going to have to polish the motherfuckers.
Speaker 1:We're going to have to polish them.
Speaker 2:leaf blowers Guys need to clean up the leaves out here. Yeah, make sure this is all right.
Speaker 1:This is heaven. Can't they just do it themselves? Can't it just, you know, just snap their fingers? No, no, you got to do it, yeah exactly yeah.
Speaker 3:The first cryopreservation, by the way, since we're talking about that was in 1966, seven James Bedford in 1967, about 250 bodies have. We're looking at this. Sure stuff can happen here in a couple minutes. All right, uncle is here. Had been cryopreserved in the United States and 1500 people had made arrangements for cryopreservation on their remains there you go Okay. So people do do it. Yeah, people have done it. What?
Speaker 2:about cost. Should look at it. Oh dude.
Speaker 1:How much is it cost?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's gotta be like a yearly cost. It's not like, obviously, a one time fee because it's expensive to keep you like in that cryogenic, I'm sure the refrigeration- or the keep kid. You use liquid nitrogen. I don't know how it works, so they keep you. Is it like all with liquid nitrogen, or is the nitrogen just a freezing process?
Speaker 2:That's a freezing process. They keep it frozen. They keep it frozen. Yeah, or they got to keep it in the freezer.
Speaker 1:They got to keep putting the nitrogen in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's gotta be that kind of cold. You know, just so you're not crystallizing, so that's why it's like, just above that, freezing like that. And yeah, it's insane bro, it's insane yeah 800 annually, the average of the.
Speaker 3:this is for what? Do you call it embryo freezing?
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm doing a freezing it's $11,000 to $15,000 for that. The embryo freezing. That's that I can say.
Speaker 3:Think about what you would do with your body. It's gonna be in hundreds of thousands of dollars, Right? Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:Millions. Yeah, probably yeah, because of the cost of inflation and yada, yada, blah, blah, blah, blah and all that other good shit. Yeah, I don't know, I think because you're already dead. If you're dead, then you know again. If we go by religion, then the spirits are really left to body and there's no bringing you back like that.
Speaker 3:Some people don't believe that. Right right, right right. They said the 80s. You know, yeah, they're like, they think they gotta come back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it's over, right, yeah, no, then, even with that, I'd be afraid that you know, as I'm throwing out something else, you know what I mean. Just something might just have gotten frostbite and it's over, might you know? Something falls off, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, nepali can only keep you on ice for so long anyway.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:What they were saying. So it's not like you can be that way for a long time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, download me, download me, it's over.
Speaker 3:Don't think about it. And they, you know. It shows you how people want to continue to live on and they have their reasons, obviously so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like I said, I just want it because I'm technology.
Speaker 3:I believe the other way. I just think that you know, but just part of something bigger than being on, that we can't eat that, oh yeah right.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean then, what so we're gonna go into the conspiracy thing is that these bodies are just a vessel.
Speaker 3:Right and we go to that's not a conspiracy there.
Speaker 2:Because we're part of an alien race that we're just here doing that.
Speaker 1:I was just saying I was trying to tell them the conspiracy party was oh, isn't that the Scientology? Yeah, they believe in it, Right? Yeah, that this is just a vessel.
Speaker 3:No that's not what I think. I don't think like that?
Speaker 2:No, I didn't say you did, but you've been here with-.
Speaker 3:Why do you jump right into the crowd, I swear to God.
Speaker 2:Well, what was that? Listen, we're saying you just said. We're saying that it's just different things that people believe in, for when you know they move on.
Speaker 3:But you jump right into the freaking Does UFOs, hell yeah. I'm going into the UFO.
Speaker 2:Aliens abducted your body. Hell yeah, I'm flying that fucking thing. Can I fly? Can I fly, can I fly?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry I didn't say anything Wow.
Speaker 1:That was disturbing on all levels.
Speaker 3:So what were we asking? How long we can do it, for what?
Speaker 2:was the question. Yeah, how long can we be frozen for? Is that what you asked, tom? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3:No, I said how much money it was. How much was it? It's going to be definitely a lot of money. As far as why people do it, they probably most likely, of course, they have money to do it. But, in order to do this, you're going to have to have money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, you understand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, I said I get it.
Speaker 3:I don't think this is one of I gotta say.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is more of I could just bullshit talking about.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I don't know, Because you always talk about how you want to live after life and not die and go on to the afterworld or whatever might be waiting for us it could be hell and brimstone and whofuck.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't want to let me in hell either. You know what I'm saying. They'd be really upset down there. So it's fucking die, yeah, you're saying, but it's all good. So I appreciate you know human being a little bit.
Speaker 1:That was the buzz kill on this. Sorry, I got he's like you know what? I don't think the order we have. I just talked to Matt. I'm like fuck, sorry, no, whatever, man, whatever that is too funny man, that's messed up man.
Speaker 2:But it's all good. But still with that, like I said, do the bullshit ass little talking, laughing, making funnies. But I appreciate everybody for listening yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, listen. Do you guys have any opinions on the whole cry over there Like shoot us here.
Speaker 2:Yeah they be like don't talk about it again. Instagram, facebook don't fuck about that again. Email let us know what you think I'm curious. We know that.
Speaker 3:Everybody thinks differently, for whatever reason. Yeah, hit us in the DMs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, or that other good stuff yeah.
Speaker 3:All right so everybody.
Speaker 2:Thank you for listening, thank you for being here. You guys appreciate. You guys Love peace and hair grease Long and prosper. Go vegan, hello, thank you.