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🧾 Dead Sea Scrolls & the Ancient Files: UFOs, Time Travel, and the Truth They Hid 🛸⏳📜
What if the Dead Sea Scrolls weren’t just religious relics… but a truth capsule from a forgotten world? 🧾🛸⚔️
In this explosive episode of the Cottman Crawford and the Jersey Guy Podcast, we dive deep into Dead Sea Scrolls & The Ancient Files — exploring the 900 ancient scrolls that have been rocking historians, conspiracy theorists, and spiritual rebels alike. From hidden treasures and war prophecies, to AI-powered translations, ancient alien theories, and mistranslated timelines, this one goes way beyond Sunday school.
We’re asking the big questions:
Were the scrolls buried to protect humanity—or from it?
Did religion evolve from cosmic visitors, secret sects, or pure human curiosity?
Is the “end of the world” just a bad translation of Aeon—aka a 22,000-year cycle?
Could Stargates, Easter Island, and the Vatican all be connected? 👀
Oh—and if you’ve ever wondered why saints’ body parts are scattered in medieval churches like Pokémon cards... yeah, we cover that too. 😳
💬 Geek out with us on ancient mysteries, spirituality, time travel, and the real meaning of history—served with laughs, wild theories, and raw curiosity.
👉 Hit play, follow, and let us know what YOU think the scrolls were really hiding.
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Hello and welcome to Cartman Crawford and the Jersey Guy podcast. How is everyone tonight? Alright, we're good.
Speaker 2:Yes, man Chill, great that's funny.
Speaker 1:Yo, I'm just going to jump right into it. I know all of us we're geeks when it comes to certain things, yeah, but I know, for me, if I'm sitting around watching TV and I see the Discovery Channel or Science, whatever it is, and something pops up about the sea scrolls, I'm immediately zoned in. You know I want to. They definitely caught my interest Because. I want to know how far back does that go and what does it mean and where did you start and who started it?
Speaker 3:And why it is where it is now. So you like learning biblical history, right?
Speaker 2:Biblical history is history.
Speaker 3:Or, even better, I would say, the truth finding, because it's supposed to be the most accurate. That's what we could talk. We're going to get into that Now.
Speaker 1:I know that we don't talk about and I know this came up and we'll just say it briefly yes, we don't talk about certain things, certain religions power to speak.
Speaker 3:This pertains to an episode.
Speaker 1:This pertains to a totally different subject. This is the birth of it, how it started, who the people, things like that, and what they saw and how they saw it. And then you could go, we could always go yeah, we're gonna end up so that being said it's gonna be this is about.
Speaker 3:This is about yeah, kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like yeah, because this is a good subject, man, so the dead sea scrolls, like you said, that's supposed to be what the original writings you know and most accurate, most accurate, so that now that's where we, you know, of course I go that way to ufos if it was the real, you know, really aliens that wrote that stuff, because a lot of the like you were telling us before lou, that we'll get to later on, I mean like angels coming down, you know to, to make the for the war part, you were telling me.
Speaker 1:Well, they the netherlands, right? So then, yeah, we'll get to that later, right? You know I'm what I'm saying. Yeah, we're going to get to that later, you see, that's the list.
Speaker 2:All those things are things that we've heard, what people said there were some things in this that I never heard. No, no, no. I'm saying things like that, about having when people talk and a lot of the old, I say everybody that wherever it was, there's a pyramid that they said it was aliens that had come down and bred with the women and you know like giants and stuff like that yeah. So we'll start from the beginning.
Speaker 1:Lou yeah, no, listen.
Speaker 2:And then and and and. Well, I mean start from the beginning, because I want to get to that other stuff too. Yeah, yeah, that stuff is interesting. I love that stuff.
Speaker 1:They were discovered in 1947 and 1956 near a dead sea, of course I think it's Qumran Coves. Over 900 scrolls were found. That's insane. Biblical and I'm sorry. Yeah, bible texts, bible texts and I don't know. You wrote that.
Speaker 2:I know I'm sorry, my bad.
Speaker 1:But the cord was in the way. Yeah, Excuse me guys Sect rules, so this is where you start to see different things that happen in religions, right, okay, apocryphal, that's another one, so each one.
Speaker 1:So Discovery, 1947. What was the scrolls? Biblical manuscripts, but not included book enoch, jubilee tobit. There were other bibles that weren't included, right? So you know, back then these were also held for a while because people didn't want to talk about them, right, like they would find certain things in there, and people were like, well, no, well, that's not that, because this is what we've been talking about, well, you know, yeah, well, just all the things as a whole, because so many things.
Speaker 2:So, if we are going to say that this is Look, it validates accuracy of the Hebrew Bible, right?
Speaker 1:So the people who wrote this kept records of all this stuff, right?
Speaker 2:right. I'm saying that now people and like you said, how things have changed, you know how certain, how people. I guess we'll say interpret them Right. You know what I mean. That that's why there's now so many different sets.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So there would definitely be some controversy and who thinks it's right or what they actually meant, and all that. I'm sure that's going on as we speak? Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2:But that's why we haven't heard about all of them. You know what I mean right, just in what has been found. You know and this is me watching tv you know not what you had found here for us, but that is just so many people, you know they're like wait, no, like glue just said, you know, is that, could that? Is that really?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean yeah, it's, it's, it's yeah I would think that probably, if it was what we think it was right, possibly could have been Sure, we're going to get to that subject. But, you have to remember that man in its time probably wasn't. They weren't that. I mean, they were definitely good carpenters and things like that, but they didn't have the technology than what we have now. And I'm sure they did things that amaze us now that they did that we had no clue, you can do Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now that they did that, we had no clue, you can do right. Yeah, because the carbon fiber, like you said in the, in the paper and things like that.
Speaker 3:Now it's more accurate. Oh, the the carbon, carbon dating or carbon dating stuff. Yeah, the carbon dating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now they have ai involved now so they they think that ai thinks that it's older than what they originally thought yeah so twice what it?
Speaker 2:was. Yeah because right now. So that's how all twice what it was. Yeah because right now.
Speaker 1:So that's how old.
Speaker 2:The parchment, the paper was from that time, because every time they find something new and they're matter of fact like I watched this TV show, or I haven't watched it in a while. Oak Island and on. Oak Island they keep finding things as they're digging around in there, but as they're digging around in there, but they can't find the treasure, though, bro.
Speaker 2:Well, no, no, I'm not even talking about in the money pit, I'm talking like just on the island and different things that happen on the island. They're discovering the people that were there before, who we thought was there, right, you know? Like it was official, like the Vikings were there, first, the Knights Templar, where there's proof that they were there, and they dating what has already been written.
Speaker 1:So, instead of them being there in, you know, 1701 they were really there in 1501 right, they were earlier, right.
Speaker 2:So then now, based on what they found, and, yeah, so doing like said these, that's why I love watching that stuff yeah I'm geek when it comes to oh they're definitely doing the carmen dating yeah and for what it is now. Was it? It's still? I've never heard, until we started doing some other stuff.
Speaker 1:The when they do dating is bcc, cbc, something like that, cbc bc right we have before christ and and after death a day, and it was one that was before that. It was another one that's before that.
Speaker 2:I think it was c, bce or ec, right, and I didn't even and dude, if these go back further than what we've all thought Think of how man was back then.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that they were stupid, no that there was man.
Speaker 2:They didn't think that there was man. It was like you know. Now they're starting to say that dinosaurs people walked with dinosaurs of years.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean only talking like three, four thousand. Well, you know, it might double like, let's say, they were two thousand so now they're originally four thousand. We're not talking like and the centuries onto it or anything like that. I know, but still that they went that far back and they were able to find that itself and I know the theory is like that homo sapien is like 25 000 years old, right.
Speaker 3:And then there's, then you start going back towards the you know earlier like man, right and that's the thing.
Speaker 2:So then that timeline might be wrong too, neanderthal right, yeah, that's a timeline we could be way off on that yeah
Speaker 1:we could be but at the same time we probably could be right on shit too at the same time, when you think about it, definitely and you know.
Speaker 2:What's wild is how the scrolls survived that long in the caves out by the dead sea, the what the scrolls oh, yeah, yeah, like how they.
Speaker 3:They're found by accident, no, no, but how did they not?
Speaker 2:like the paper didn't just disintegrate. You know what?
Speaker 3:I mean I know some of them is. They had a lot of those that were like that.
Speaker 1:They were like that, but they had a lot that they were able to piece back together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I'm saying so you know, imagine doing that kind of work, tedious little bro brushes and my magnifying glass, right? Yeah, no, that's that person that really loves doing. That's super geekish, right there, man man.
Speaker 1:No doubt I can't do that. I like those people because you know what they're good, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:They give me all the information that.
Speaker 1:I'm interested in knowing about you. Know I'm like yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3:That is great and I think they can probably. I mean people might not trust it but like AI to fill in the blanks on some of them now they could probably get because a lot. Some of them have like holes in them and they can't piece them together, like there's missing, like it's like you know something like you'd see in like a movie so there was one in the movie.
Speaker 2:Wait, what was it? Blade, oh yeah, blade frost wanted to bring back the moogle. Oh, whatever, that, yeah, and so that. Then he turned around and they had put these texts up there, and he's looking at them together and then he knew how to what to do and yeah, he was freaking bugged out. But yeah, I was with you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but no but but that seriously that they have issues with those, because there's, you know, there's because of damage, that there's like not full.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's why I bug out, because it's now them putting it together that a lot of the stuff that people believe is not true. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's just all changed up. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:No, I want to apologize because I was wrong when I said earlier. Several fragments previously believed from the 2nd and 1st century BCE are now dated earlier. Dated earlier, sometimes by several decades or even a century.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so I take it back. Yeah, so it was more than I thought too though I don't know why. I thought that Well, because I mean again for what we know, what we believed what the timeline was yeah, no, it's all right, it's going way back and whatnot it's a given.
Speaker 1:We fixed it. We got the information out yes. Yes, you know, and I know there are people that love this stuff, man. Yeah, yeah of course, yeah, definitely, we loved it. Just to go back, and I think in my past life I might have been.
Speaker 2:Indiana Jones yeah, yeah, you want to be the librarian.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like the librarian. That's a good one.
Speaker 2:I. So now they're saying too, who wrote the scrolls. So most scholars believe they were written by or belong to the essence of apocalyptic Jewish sect that live commonly in Qumran. Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and Zodiacite exiles. You know, so, again, that's what these you know.
Speaker 2:Yet the rest of us who thinks that you know it could have been, I said I'll go to the aliens, you know, I mean extraterrestrials that came down and were trying to teach people here, the humans that were here, how to live, how to exist, how to grow their own stuff. You know, and I only say that because think of all these things that they found, you know, out there, by, you know by the Dead Sea, or just you know other places we talk about, even like the pyramids and stuff. There's pyramids around the whole world and the whole planet. There are pyramids in like every continent, just about. And who taught those people to build them? They basically built identical. You know little differences because of where they are, but you know.
Speaker 2:So again, you know I said the dead sea scrolls, something else that I just just came to my head, sorry, guys. So they're saying that there was civilization and around the time where Krakatoa blew. That that's when everything changed, Like civilization. Civilization had basically stopped because they were stuck in the dark and then they came back around. You know what I mean. So I wonder if, going with that thing, because it says sorry, it just popped up. That was my history geek moment, but you know if that's what it was, that then the dead sea scrolls predate krakatoa, right, you? You know what I'm saying. Blowing up, or you know whatever? Yeah, and civilization started all over it, you know, which is maybe why, like you then said, you know it was only a thousand years or two thousand years.
Speaker 1:Well, I thought it was like three, four thousand, but now, when I think about it, yeah, but still that long. I mean bro that's a lot of time for people to come back around I think still, you know, it's a lot of, it's a long time, man. Yeah, yeah, go that far back to history. You know, and this is what they were doing. Yeah, they find their teeth and they keep, they bury them with all this. You know everything is different. You know, when they find certain things and how they were buried and right yep how they were wrapped.
Speaker 2:it's crazy. Just the beliefs as a whole, I think is wild. Yes, yeah, but I mean I don't know. I think for me personally, you know, I like to think about what life, how life would be different for us.
Speaker 1:It would be so harder then you wouldn't want to live then Well yeah, we didn't want to live when there's still cowboys and Indians. Yeah, I'm saying right but that was, that was hard, that had to be harsh times, hard times, times, living like that back in that day and I'm sure, but for them it was every day, so it didn't matter.
Speaker 2:right, yes, same for us, yeah, oh yeah, definitely that was their thing but still, I, I don't think we would want to go oh, no way, no, no and find out. Yeah, I'm all right, thank you, if I can go in like invisible, just to watch and see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm good, yeah, I'll go do that, but I'm not, I'm not gonna actually exactly no way, man no way.
Speaker 2:How so the copper scroll?
Speaker 1:That's one that they say there's all this treasure, that it lists all the treasure there is, but they still haven't found it. And they've looked for it, they still haven't found it and they looked for it.
Speaker 2:where they found the scroll no in that scroll, oh, in that scroll, that's a copper scroll.
Speaker 1:It was carved in copper, ooh Wow Onto that. So the copper was the pages oh, that's groovy, yeah, and that's what was on there, you know. And it lists all this treasure that they no luck they have not found any.
Speaker 2:I'll bet money that they're. They're looking in the wrong spot probably. Yeah, well, and that's the other thing too. So, where the dead seas? Well, see, I didn't. I mean I wish we, I would have paid attention or looked to where it was. Because now you think about way back when, how the land masses were, earthquakes, picked. You know the plates moving on the planet and whatnot if the dead seas goes was part of something else. You know the plates moving on the planet and whatnot if the dead sea skulls was part of something else. You know another body of water, another valley or something that then that's why they can't find it, because it's things have moved around. Make sense? No, they were in caves, they were. No, no, no, they're talking about, you said, looking for the treasure that they can't find oh, the treasure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. And with the treasure it'll probably be the same thing, right, they just stumble across it. Somebody who wasn't looking for it would find it. Yep, that's probably what would happen. Yeah, because or they may find it too, because they found a lot of stuff just by yeah because I mean like, look Now what they have.
Speaker 2:So in 1947 is when from 47 to 56.
Speaker 1:And all that time they were studying. They were studying and looking and finding.
Speaker 2:But my question is but it's taken them a while to put them together.
Speaker 3:Well, they were held.
Speaker 1:A lot of stuff was held back too.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, of course they were just starting and released more in the 90s.
Speaker 1:Right because it was changing what religion was in a sense Because everybody thinks one thing and then when you look at that, you go okay.
Speaker 3:But, then of course you know it wasn't really that we can talk about this Isn't there one that says like turn a stone, there I am, or something?
Speaker 1:Right, just put a piece of wood and you'll find me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a quote from John. I think, john, I think.
Speaker 3:I could be wrong, but was it in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Wasn't that in the Dead Sea Scrolls? It may have been.
Speaker 1:They also mention Jesus in it, but they don't mention him by name, right? So that was a as being persecuted.
Speaker 3:Meaning. Like you know, you don't need church.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no wonder why that's not in there I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can get a little. Yeah, no, we could. Yeah, no, but there's a lot of stuff that comes from because that was mainly jewish, and then, of course, it broke off and then it went its own directions and, like everything else, right, right. And then that's what they're finding out when they look at this stuff, how it grew and branched off and well, that's why I think catholicism came.
Speaker 3:That's why I was always. I think Catholicism came. That's why I always. What did you say?
Speaker 1:Christian, not Catholicism.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why I always thought the religion was it Masonic Jews.
Speaker 1:Yes, the ones that Jews for Jesus, as they called them. Jews for Jesus, right, right.
Speaker 3:But like that's always an interesting religion because they follow all the traditional Jewish practices practices but in a sense they're christian, but not right. Yeah, what people think, like they're jewish but they're technically the most christian of christians because they follow right the same. Yeah like it is kind of weird how it just like branched off into like exactly, that's just like oh, we'll get rid of all the jewish traditions and we're gonna have this I wonder what made them say we're gonna stop these ones and continue these ones but they saw the masonic jews do it all I don't think they do any of the christian.
Speaker 3:Maybe they do celebrate some of the christians I don't know.
Speaker 1:They probably celebrate christmas, do?
Speaker 3:they get both, that's double holidays.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, double whammy right there. Yeah, yeah, they probably say only one of the others's like having divorced parents.
Speaker 2:It's like oh we believe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, that's messed up. Double holidays yeah, get two birthdays. It's all about Passover and Easter if they don't fall across Well sometimes they crisscross, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Sometimes they're like a week apart.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of feasting, but that's you're going to say dinner and then Easter dinner, right?
Speaker 2:That's great, that is freaking hilarious. But you know, you said dinner and you made me think oh, chicken.
Speaker 1:I'll go ahead. I just found this by the copper scroll, Unlike any other scroll, the engraved on copper Treasure 64 underground hiding places with vast amounts of gold and silver and scrolls. Despite many efforts, no treasure has ever been found, Fueling conspiracy theories and Indiana Jones style hunts. So people are like we're going to find this shit Right.
Speaker 2:Well, like I said, that goes back to what I was saying about Oak Island.
Speaker 3:That's where you had to have that. One Put the hat on.
Speaker 1:We can do it, but that's what happened on Oak Island.
Speaker 2:That's what we had to have that one Put the hat on. We can do it, but that's what happened on Oak Island. They're there looking for treasure that they read in a book and when they get there to find it, they're finding all kind of different we'll say different kind of treasure. It's not about the money. It's about now changing history.
Speaker 1:Well, basically, you're finding out what they believed and how they lived right and now so finding these Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2:I think that's why they don't release everything in one shot they've released a lot so far but I think they're just giving it out slowly because, do you know, bro, the shock that's like, that's a culture shock.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I would guess, not really. I mean for those who are super religious and into it that much, and you know what I mean. I would guess, but I think at the same time they probably push back on it anyway. But that's a whole other story.
Speaker 2:Right people will push back on it, because I don't believe that that's not what it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course, of course they go into it, and that's fine, that's reading it right.
Speaker 2:You know how do I believe that? Well, these are people who actually just wrote what they were recording history. Right, they weren't the people that are translating it right now. Oh, you know what I mean. You're hoping that they're reading correctly, that they can decipher it, not because they're trying to change how people are, whatever no but because they mistook a, a symbol for another symbol. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:That makes sense. Hey, listen, I'm sure they found those mistakes and done that before.
Speaker 2:I hope so. Maybe it was this one, maybe it's not. Maybe it's not the end of the world in 1925.
Speaker 1:The writing was totally different then I mean, think about how they wrote in the ink and how they had to do it. Yeah, yeah, parchment, they did that that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was wild.
Speaker 1:That was wild. Was it papyrus? Yeah, papyrus, yes just like the storm. That's a big word. Papyrus.
Speaker 3:Papyrus, hey, papyrus, hey, how you doing Yo how you doing.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's it. Sorry, we didn't mean to offend anybody.
Speaker 1:This is so lame.
Speaker 2:But you know what, and that's when I was asking how did they know to write on this stuff that it was going to last, you know, a hundred, gazillion years? They hid it.
Speaker 1:They hid it, Hoping that maybe they were hiding it so nobody would find it. So what was around it? Because I didn't even see it too.
Speaker 2:A kid went in there find him look for his goat, Right right, I'm saying no, but they haven't. I wonder if they've excavated around the cave?
Speaker 1:No, it's hard to get to. They're caves. You can't just walk right over and walk in them.
Speaker 2:What if there was a building?
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying no, no, you have to climb up into it. It looks like there was water there. It was part of that Right. So then now-.
Speaker 2:They have to climb down from over, and then get in, so the scroll.
Speaker 1:That's where they stored stuff.
Speaker 2:Somebody hid them in there. I think that's what they did. There was actually land there and that was the basement of a church. No, I think they were looking to hide them and hold these up Like the treasure, obviously. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they put them and they. That's interesting stuff, man.
Speaker 3:I love it, because as soon as that comes on, I'm watching it, yeah yeah it's insane yeah, but here's the question oh, why were they put where they were put? That's what I'm to say so, hopefully.
Speaker 1:maybe they weren't. Maybe somebody would find them and know hey, this is what the real deal is and not what you thought it was, or this is where it came from, yep.
Speaker 2:Or or it was that somebody was coming in to stop them from preaching, from saying that stuff or letting it be out. That's the truth. What do you mean? I don't understand. So he's talking about how did the Dead Sea Scrolls get into that cave? It was people recording that history, right? So then why did they put it there? Kind of quote, unquote, hidden.
Speaker 1:I guess that was their way of keeping it safe Right Like a time capsule. Yeah, almost, I guess. Or maybe the person who knew where it was died, or and when there was more than one cave. If they found that one, obviously they found more.
Speaker 3:But like maybe there was a keeper of the secret, yeah, a scroll keeper.
Speaker 2:Scroll keeper.
Speaker 1:Who knows, that's just so interesting about it.
Speaker 3:You know it could be anything really when you think of that time and maybe something happened. You had no hot water, you had no toilet, you didn't have any of that there might have been like a whole organization that was like keeping that stuff safe and preserved.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 3:that's interesting and then something happened, maybe some kind of catastrophe, like it could be just an environmental catastrophe, like some crazy library or like a volcano, or maybe it was the people on Pompeii all knew where it was that was like a secret keeping. That's one thing I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying, bro, oh wait, wait, or was that before? No, this is supposed to be before. So that's what I'm saying. This is before, right, so the dead sea skulls and when they were written was before, I believe, because if I read it right, then it's before krakatoa blue. I'm saying before pompeii was gone that's what I'm saying said then, and now they're starting to find. Well, not now, I'm talking about the last 10 years or so they they've been finding the bodies on.
Speaker 3:Pompeii. How messed up would that be Like, were they the keeper of the Dead Sea Scrolls?
Speaker 1:Well, they've been around, or, like Kenny, they've been dug out for a long time, but they've been digging out like more.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1:I didn't mean just the people now. Yeah, yeah, that's been around for a long time you can go there and see that and go see that now.
Speaker 2:So now, in that same thought. That's what how the dead sea squirrels ended up in the cave, like out of the way. They heard the big boom. I don't think they were near with these guys. Well, maybe they were, I don't know. Supposedly that when Krakatoa blew, it covered the earth right in cloud you, right In cloud, you know, because it hit so hard, it blew up the way that it blew up, at midnight, so it blew up like that. So about the volcano? Yeah, the volcano, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then that could be True, true.
Speaker 3:You know who knows who heard that in. You know.
Speaker 1:But they didn't record it in the book.
Speaker 2:Because they ran inside.
Speaker 1:No, I think those were just. They're just caves where they kept the scrolls. That's where they hid them.
Speaker 2:Oh I thought you said they didn't write about it.
Speaker 1:I was like, yeah, because they were hiding no, they were hiding they were hiding from the volcano but I'm saying, if they did, I'm sure that would have been in there.
Speaker 2:I mean, I would imagine, oh, yeah, I'm sure too maybe not, not to say so, but again, now we gotta wait, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Well, what about the war scroll that they talk about Now, that one you started to tell me about, right? The war scroll details an apocalyptic battle between forces of good and evil, sons of light and evil, sons of darkness, the militaristic visionary, some see it. The ancient version of Revelation Sounds so mystical.
Speaker 2:Because that's why Sounds like I see knights in fight in armor. Well, I mean think of. So I mean there was a couple of movies like that and you know you think about if that's going to be the epic fight when they show old paintings. You know of when they were talking about that. They see. You know people, people in the sky. You know the gods fighting that they think it might have been aliens. You know. You look at all that stuff, the top of the Sistine Chapel. That's 1650. The Sistine.
Speaker 1:Yes, the Sistine.
Speaker 2:Yes, that you know. It's all the angels up there and you know that they're in and around the clouds and such. What a lot of these people saw and what they had in their drawings. Right, somebody may have seen it. This again, this is me on my UFO stuff. You know that these things could have been written.
Speaker 1:But it would be around the same time of Egyptians, of course.
Speaker 3:I'm with you. Yeah, it's the same time period.
Speaker 1:All that's happening with around Egyptians, romans, people, whatever period they were in that time they were around those, you know. So yeah, I mean that makes sense. You know you have the pyramids being built. The Jews were building it, moses. Yeah, that's all in there too, and that's the.
Speaker 2:and that's why I'm saying, man, I wonder, it's just, I think I just I don't, I can't believe how it was that, you know, these things were hidden for so long. Yeah, they pop up now, and it's Well they haven't popped up now. 1947. Well, not literally, I mean, you know figuratively, you know Right, it says 47. So in the last what 80 years? Yeah, you know what I mean, kind of thing, yeah.
Speaker 2:That you, you know what I mean. So many things that are like whoa okay, now that makes sense. Whoa, now I see what it meant. What they may have said in the Egyptian or the Aztec carvings and stuff like that, you know, but what else you said, you saw it.
Speaker 1:No, no, I'm just saying it was, I think. For that time.
Speaker 3:I wonder what happened if this stuff was found like now in like the age of like social media where, like it's almost hide to heart it's, it's hard, it's hard to like hide, like news and stuff like, you know what I mean where people just record stuff on, yeah, yeah on TikTok or Instagram.
Speaker 2:So they've been a bunch of funnies on social media. I know where the AI is doing like, if they're you know, oh you know, moses just turned around yo look what he's doing. I've seen that, yeah, yeah whatever the people walking by, but what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying is like though, but like imagine if that stuff was found now, like yeah, I feel like it would be harder to hide oh definitely like. They'd be like oh, we're putting this together now you know what.
Speaker 2:I would say to you that the people that would find it and they would quote unquote, hide it. They wouldn't let them show the scroll open, like you could see a star to open, and then you know they won't let you see the rest, like now you got to pan up here and look at them, you know this way, you can't.
Speaker 1:The way they were wrapped and everything they really tried to make sure that they lasted.
Speaker 2:For that time they did pretty well. That's crazy, bro. That is probably the craziest thing I've seen here. But, it's so cool how that happened, yeah.
Speaker 1:Nobody was in the right place and then they found them, and then they found all these scrolls and everything, different information, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's good stuff. I'm still wondering, like, who are the keepers of these scrolls? Like it has to be like lost information that happened somehow, because it's just like, oh, we're going to bury and forget about them. Like who?
Speaker 2:Someone had to know about them, but that's why I'll bet.
Speaker 3:Or that the people who did know about them like something happened to them.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm saying I'll put money on that.
Speaker 1:The missing scrolls. That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:The missing scrolls. They got it here, so I'll bug out and say that where the scrolls were found in the cave was actually the basement of whatever building structure, whatever that was on top. There was no building there, bro, you're not listening, you're not listening, I'm saying that because of where it was, and Tom is saying that it hasn't, that nobody's found it like it just happened to be or whatever that I'm saying there was structure around it at one time, not when they found the scrolls at one time.
Speaker 1:Maybe at one time there was a big building. It was a building on top of it.
Speaker 2:I don't know. The building is now gone.
Speaker 3:Probably looked like something from Batman Begins. Yeah, some craziness. Yeah, I'll go with that.
Speaker 2:League of Shadows, just some kind of craziness that was there, some monument Right away, you know yeah.
Speaker 3:Aliens and comics Right away. Thank God, we're geeks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I love it. It's awesome, it's great man. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's a good idea. See is now. It is a big hole. So whether meteor hit it, whether there was that alien fight that, I like to just say that it was. You know that there was a super explosion said that if there were buildings that were there, there's already a town there. What was there before? You know, yeah, if something may had that, that building that was there, again, we didn't. You know, look what is up, right, but it's just I don't know. I said that's where my head goes. You know that kind of stuff. Only because of how many things that have been found that are as they dig, like all this sand has covered in Egypt. It has covered the you know all that all the housing that was there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everything.
Speaker 1:Villages there, yeah, villages, cities, you know everything.
Speaker 2:You go to easter island and the heads are buried, just the head up to their chin, and then, as they start to dig and look, it's a full body. Oh yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I love it it's like that's good stuff, yeah you know what I mean I mean, why do they make them and what's the reason? You know the meaning behind it and who do they? You know, are they to homage? You know somebody? Right, it was supposed to be paying homage, and homageage to someone saying, hey, this is, or to a god.
Speaker 2:But because of the way that they're standing, they're looking up to the sky Right.
Speaker 1:Because of the way that their faces are. So that's why I'm saying that these Dead Sea Scrolls.
Speaker 2:I want to say, because that's just me, that they are, you know, from another kind of a civilization.
Speaker 1:Well, of course they were. They were super early. Yeah, you know, all that stuff and all that belief was coming in and we're in the first kind of you're getting the roots of where it came and first started.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how it began, which is great, yeah, and then it just splinted off and went into those different directions through the years. Mm-hmm, you know, yeah, man, you know. So the missing scrolls some believe important sac uh scrolls, were hidden or suppressed by religious or governmental institutions like the vatican or israel authorities. Conspiracy theories surged due to the slow publication process. Many scrolls were made public until the 1990s, so it's when. That's when they kind of started letting them out. And, yeah, people see, and now they're in certain museums. I know, I, there are museums in Israel, for sure. I'm sure there may even be some here in New York or somewhere else in the United States where you could see them.
Speaker 2:Oh, really yeah absolutely. Might have to look into that.
Speaker 1:That would be cool to see. Yeah, definitely. It is cool when you see them with your own two eyes, when you see something like that, because it is cool when you see them with your own two eyes. When you see something like that and you're like, yeah, somebody wrote on this a long time ago.
Speaker 2:In a little galaxy.
Speaker 1:In a little galaxy. You know what I mean. That's literally what it is.
Speaker 3:But like when you say it, you're like oh, an artifact. But like when you see it, Nice.
Speaker 2:Well, that's like when you go to the museum. You know what I'm saying and you see all those things. You know that they dug up. You know they sat there with the paintbrush.
Speaker 1:I think it's instinctive, too, for us to want to know it, because we want to see where we came from, how we evolved at the same time, how we've grown and some areas we haven't, and we're still working on it, but we have come a long way in some things. What's creepy, though?
Speaker 3:is like in Italy. When you go to Italy, the old churches, like the ones that are like old churches, like the big, giant ones from like the medieval days, they have relics in them. They have like the one relic is they had like a head, a head of a virgin, not virgin, head of a virgin.
Speaker 1:I know I think we're on the wrong religion. Here I was thinking Virgin Mary saint, but no, no, no, I mean saint.
Speaker 3:I'm getting my words confused. It was a female saint, but they had her head preserved, mummified head. They're in this section of the church because the churches are shaped like crosses, so you walk in. So it's off to one of the side things.
Speaker 1:I've seen that where they build them like that, they were built like that, but like they have, relics, like it's so creepy, like just the head. There's so much Like they history you know there's so much, but it's amazing, it's so weird.
Speaker 3:They piece out the saints like in pieces, like another church got like the hand yeah.
Speaker 2:That's sad Okay.
Speaker 1:So we're giving out body parts now, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1:For our appreciation. We want to share our new saint, but you know what?
Speaker 3:That's kind of where like there's an overlap I think of like I'm getting a little off topic, but I just want to say here we go Like paganism, like overlaps with like big religions. They probably believe that the saint gives the church a special blessing has a mystical, has a protective power.
Speaker 1:I think what's interesting is that, each one of those things, whether it's people who live in Israel, in Egypt, in all those areas of the world, and you get this information. But you have all these other cultures too, that you get the same their history at the same time period. What was going on with them? What were they doing? You know, which is really to see what other civilizations you brought up. You know Vikings and all that. I mean that's all Paganism. Paganism.
Speaker 3:You know, that's just paganism paganism, yeah, yeah, you know, that's just yeah. Paganism was, uh, absolutely where a lot of this came from too, but I mean, like a lot of they believe in energies and you know, like they believe.
Speaker 1:They believe in the earth.
Speaker 3:So so if you, these relics are believed to have special energies, you know, to bless the church, you know and I mean so, but that's just so. They have they. They peace them out, which I don't you know, that's don't forget. When they did that, it was the medieval times.
Speaker 1:The mindset then was a lot way they were torturing people. Think of the mindset, then Think of us now.
Speaker 3:They had the Spanish Inquisition, the.
Speaker 1:Inquisition. You know the Inquisition. I knew you guys were going to go up to that.
Speaker 3:That was just like hook line and sinker, oh yeah. No, but like you know, they were doing a lot of. You know church was doing a lot of weird stuff with that.
Speaker 1:Listen, yeah, religion in general, you can't hide that I think the.
Speaker 1:thing that I'm fascinated about is not really. I mean, I'm fascinated by that stuff too. Having pieces of the birth where it came from, why fascinated by that stuff too. Having pieces of the birth where it came from, why it became the way it did, how the interesting part of how people found it on their own to yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it that got them going to do what they started and then continue it on? You know what I mean? That's interesting. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2:Well, get people to live the right live, you know, and it sucks to say it like that, but get people to live to be good to one another. That's a better way of putting it, you know, for there to be kindness, and you know this is the writings that they had originally. You know what I mean. This is how to be kind to somebody, this is how you should be and this is what they tried to. You know, preach or practice Right, and you know people believe that it should be a little bit different how we do it, and you know that's where the different sets come from, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, we definitely come a long way as far as that is concerned, when it comes to that, I mean, but sometimes I wonder that's a whole other podcast the who Conspiracy theories, yeah.
Speaker 2:Who wrote the scrolls?
Speaker 1:Most scholars believe they were written by or belong to the Essenes apocalyptic Jewish sect that lived communally at Qumran. Others suggest a mix of sources, including priests, scribes and zodiacites. Zodiacites.
Speaker 1:That's an interesting word, yeah, or two words, I should say, but yeah. So again, these are things I've never heard of before. You know, we're just used to what we know. And then when we find out this, oh wait a minute. Oh wait a minute, yeah, because it needed to come from somewhere else in order for it to be what it is now. Right, yeah, you know, like everything else in life, yeah, it matures and it takes off and it goes in its own direction, hopefully for the best. Yes, of course, but I find this stuff very interesting. I always do. When I see it on the telly, I want to watch it, because I'm a geek and I like that stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, I don't even know. I think this is.
Speaker 2:well, I don't know, we're going to call History Buff a geek, yeah why, not, I don't care, this guy, I'm just saying, because I'm kind of a history buff too A little bit of that stuff. I like all that, yeah, all to hear about them, to be able to read them and hear what they are. And you know, like I said again, I think they just they only let out a little at a time. So this way people don't you know the masses, but they're letting it out. So that's a good part. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:You know how everybody's thinking is yeah, it's, it just shows you. Okay, wait a minute, we got this. Yeah, Not that it was wrong, but it was made Because things changed.
Speaker 3:Right, it was like a telephone.
Speaker 1:Right, Right. It started here and then it just went Right.
Speaker 2:Translation just changed up.
Speaker 1:Right, I'll go with that it took a life of its own and went in different directions.
Speaker 3:And then this is where we're at and then like this is where we're at, like in, so like in the bible, at the, in the, at the end. I forget what it is. Yeah, actually what you know, where it says like you know what, like the end of the times, and stuff, like so where it says I'll see you at the end of time or whatever, or he'll be back at the end of time, and that's supposed to be like the end of the world. But the scholars now believe that that was wrong, because if you translate it to aeon, which aeon is a specific set of times, so return. So the return will be in like two, twenty five hundred years or over two thousand years wow, it's a long time away.
Speaker 1:Not for nothing, right?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know why that's kind of like now though, yeah now, yeah, now would be a good time, but anyway, well, no, well, because again, but not the end of the world. Right, they would just come back Right In a specific set of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I mean, think about it. You know it's 2,000 years for us. Yeah, yeah, isn't the same as 2,000 years when people go off to, because remember that was that was one thing that we were talking about that when you go off planet and you're going into space, people here grow old, right you?
Speaker 1:don't when you're out in space. If you're going to travel, delete the speed of light. You will definitely be younger when you come back, right, so now be super old, though they already are so I'm going to throw it back into that ufo shit.
Speaker 2:that if this is, if it was like that, that when the that 2000 years for us, 2,500 years for us, isn't the same for somebody traveling through space, yeah, I went there again. Just singing Love that music, I love it. Yeah, well, yeah, listen and all day Twilight Zone. All day Twilight Zone. You know Absolutely. There was a movie that they had that portal and they were able to decipher it and they walked through it. They had a TV show on it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's right. My father loved that show, oh Sliders.
Speaker 3:Sliders 2. No, no, the other one with the military that they went back into.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Stargate, stargate, there you go, thank you, my father loved that show.
Speaker 2:So now you look at Stargate, and what if that's how they did transfer and jump from planet to planet throughout you know, whatever solar systems and whatnot.
Speaker 1:Well, because that theory makes a lot of sense. And if you go on the rabbit hole, they show a picture or a slide of different places on the planet where they have those circular things that may have been used for portals.
Speaker 2:Just saying, so that again, like I said, I understand that you know you know we always said we try to stay away from, from religion and politics. But you know, just for this, what if that, that religion that you know people are going by now is wrong and that these dead sea skulls are? Really well, I think you know what.
Speaker 1:I think what's happened, you know, I think I think people are getting to the point now where they're doing their own thing. They're doing their own thing, people getting to the point where they know what they want, what they want to be and yeah, people still go to church and everything, but I think it's not like it was. I think people are starting to believe and they know because there's so much information out there, like we're talking about right now.
Speaker 1:And they find out. Hey, well, I was told this, but now it's really that you know, like okay, well, that person needs to make that decision for themselves and hopefully they get through it, right, but that's what it's about. So I think it's in this time where actually get people pushing back and saying, no, I don't need to follow that anymore.
Speaker 1:This is what it means like that like right, like for me, for the pledge allegiance right, I leave the god out. Right, because I say the original version before it was put in. So I do that. But that's my but, that's for me right. That doesn't mean it's right or it's wrong, it just means there's something that you follow, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm using that example. Yeah, I don't mean to bring it up, but, but I'm saying that for a reason. I know what you mean. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because and I hear that I get it and for me that's important, because it means something, because and the same for that as well, right, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be wild when they finally are able to, you know, release. You know, I mean, I know 900 is a lot, but you know to just let us hear more.
Speaker 1:There may be some that can't even put together. It's so badly battered.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the thing, yeah that is so badly weathered and everything. They just fall apart if they even touch them, like I'm sure there's scrolls that they have where they can't even unroll and they're afraid to even touch it. Like we just got to leave it and then maybe to kind of x-ray it or view it, where they can break it down in pieces visually and then put it on a screen and maybe they could see it that way. I would imagine they have that kind of technology now. Right, what do you think?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I love about it, because you get in the information to find out the true history.
Speaker 1:What was going on there? Oh yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:Somebody's inventing that exact thing right now.
Speaker 3:Right now. If we just had a time machine, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, we could just go back and get the real one.
Speaker 3:We wouldn't even need that sea scroll. We'll just hang out and see what history hasn't happened, what, who, the motherfuckers?
Speaker 1:That's great. That was a good one. I like it, man. That was a good topic that.
Speaker 2:No no definitely not.
Speaker 1:I know I'm a geeky guy.
Speaker 3:I apologize, but I wish it wasn't copyrighted, because I would love to end this episode, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:With something else, dewey.
Speaker 3:Lewis and the News Back in Time.
Speaker 2:Back in time, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Going back in time. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't mind oh yeah, see, I'll be back in time you guys are hilarious, that's true. So with that, appreciate everybody for listening. Watching Love like follow all the other good stuff Love, peace and hair grease. Live long and prosper and go vegan.
Speaker 3:Holla.
