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Cottman,Crawford and the Jersey guy.
From Dorm Room Whispers To America’s Most Haunted Sites
The room goes quiet when your name echoes from a hallway that should be empty. We wanted to know why some places feel charged and why certain people become targets, so we unpack a layered haunting that begins with a college runner hearing his name in the woods and escalates to typed messages, sleepless nights, and a boundary even Lorraine Warren wouldn’t cross. The story isn’t just scares; it’s a blueprint for how hauntings unfold, how interventions help or shift activity, and why the energy you bring matters.
We open with personal accounts—from a heavy trunk that moved in a Boston attic to a basement bike shop that felt safe only in sunlight—before stepping into the Erie Hall case now featured on Netflix. Along the way, we break down the difference between residual and intelligent hauntings, the Estes Method’s eerie alignments, and the ethics of not provoking what you don’t understand. We also look at high-charge locations like Eastern State Penitentiary and old asylums, where sorrow imprints on stone, and we revisit folklore touchstones like Amityville and the Bell Witch to show how myth and memory braid together.
Haunted objects, follow-home risks, and houses that seem to “call” round out the conversation. Whether you’re a believer or a skeptic, you’ll leave with practical guardrails: how to set boundaries, when to seek help, and why closing a session matters. This is a grounded, human take on the paranormal—more about empathy and method than jump scares—told with curiosity and hard-won caution from years of stories and a few too-close encounters.
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Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Podcast.
SPEAKER_02:Hello.
SPEAKER_00:Or should I say NJ Guy. NJ Guy guest. I apologize. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's all good. My bad. So they know what it I think by now they know what we're talking about. Yes, of course. We're ahead of the game.
SPEAKER_00:Tom's not here. He's he's got stuff to take care of. So we're we had his uh protege filling for him. Yeah. So he's hanging out with us right now.
SPEAKER_01:I was gonna say that wasn't gonna be our special guest, but all right, cool, that works too. And he is a special guest because he's the first on the first time on the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He doesn't have much to say, but you know, maybe I yeah, his eyes seem to still work anyway. Yeah, yeah. That's good, bro. Ace's both, I like it. That's crazy. So fucking sick. But is it you know it's good for uh Tom and Chase because it's the eyes, so animatronics almost. Right, almost. Almost almost. Yeah, put them like this.
SPEAKER_00:So before we get started, real quick, I want to just to sh say a shout out and our condolences to Ace's family, Kiss. Passed away yesterday '74. Yeah. Long time KISS fan. I have been in my life. He was one of the best guitarists I ever thought that was on the planet, in my opinion, anyway.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, definitely. I get you. So it's to you, Ace. Yeah, man. Rest in peace, brother. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So that being said, yeah, we're doing today's podcast on hauntings.
SPEAKER_02:Oh.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, the hauntings.
SPEAKER_00:So we got paperwork and everything. Yeah. So now, before we get into the haunting stuff, t Tom kind of gave us a little bit of uh someone to do. Yeah. So I wound up doing it and it was on uh Netflix.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. There's a new show called uh Cheerie Hall. No, no, but what's the name of the show? It's True Hauntings or Haunting. True Hauntings or something like that. Yeah, really good stuff. I didn't get a chance to watch it, so I apologize, but you know, I know a whole bunch of things. So hold on one second. Uh oh no, no, no, he got it. Well, listen, I will tell you, I know a bunch of the uh haunting stuff. Not a bunch, not everything. I'm not saying in all of them, but there's a handful that I'm like, I've heard that one, I know that one. Right, you know, so listen, let me tell you, Linda, there's a bunch of crazy stuff. Linda that so there's a bunch of crazy things that uh hauntings. Uh uh I've had personal experiences. We had we talked about them on the last episode. Yeah. Talk about a few times, I think, in different occasions. We've had different occasions. Because yeah, we do this our stuff, you know. And if you don't believe, it's one of those things where until it happens to you, you know what I'm saying, that there's a first hand experience, that's when you're like, oh shit, this is for serious. Like, this is real.
SPEAKER_00:This is no joke.
SPEAKER_01:So it's happening. Yes. Because I I think I don't know if I ever told you. So sorry, real quickie. No, no, no. You're good, you're good. My uh so my grandparents' house, they lived in Massachusetts. Right. Right, in Boston. And it's a haunting, right? Yes. Yeah, okay, so I'm all day. All day, yeah. All day. Oh yeah. So my cousins and I, we were little, me, Kareem, uh, I'm gonna tell you Abduce was there, and we're running around the house like you know, we do. Yeah, Abduce. Right? So we called him Deuce. Deuce. Deuce, D U C E. Awesome. So with children and I were hanging around the house, and you know, we did, we were running up into the attic, and you know, we were running into our dad's old rooms. It was a big house. It was not a huge house, it was a nice size house. We are in the attic. We're messing around in the attic, we come downstairs. Later on, we hear a trunk that we were messing with moving. Like we hear the like sliding? Like sliding.
unknown:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:So now we're like, ah, whatever. We weren't thinking nothing of it. Like, you know, we were just ignoring it. We go up there the next day in the daylight, because you know, we were little punks and we wasn't trying to run up into the attic in the middle of the night, kind of thing. The trunk had moved. The trunk moved, bro. Like it wasn't where it was. Right. Grandparents weren't there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Was there any holes or anything for animals to get in?
SPEAKER_01:There was nothing up there that could move that particular. It was an old school, yeah. No, no. That's funny. Yeah. No, no, no. This is an old school, like that steam trunk. Right. Like that big jammy. Oh. Yeah. Yes. Like, you know, the rounded top. Even heavy, yeah, man. Listen, so I've had a handful of, you know, ghost story things that have happened to me. So, yeah. So go ahead. Tell me about the, well, tell us about the episode you see. You know, we I think we all have had something.
SPEAKER_00:I remember like I I mentioned this before, but when I was a kid, I was in an apartment building. I used to work on my bike, my father's shop. I always had the door open. I was young. I was always fixing my bike, tightening up my wheels, do whatever. Right, right. I would get this feeling like something was there. Oh, dude, I hate that shit. And I would run out into the sun. Really? Yeah. Because it was sunny. I was at uh and I'd just run out to the sun. Because it was the basement. So I would run out the laundry room and out to the back where there was like a ramp stairs. Yeah. And then I would run into the sun. Because then when I was in the sun, I felt I felt safe. No shit. Yeah. At least for that time, that's how I thought.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. I'm with you. I'm with you. I I never would have, I would have never thought of that. Like I'm telling you right now.
SPEAKER_00:And nobody ever told me that either. It's just something I instinctively did. No shit. Just ran it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, no lie. I never would have thought, like, even right now sitting here, I would have never thought to run like into the sun or, you know, like that. I I mean, I I maybe I maybe run into the light as far as like not going to the light. But you know, just moving into a lighted area and then kind of like looking back or whatever. Right. You know what I'm saying? Matter of fact, you know, sidebar, sorry. I'm gonna tell you the funny. I'm I'm having a Tom moment. So the other night. Shush, he's talking. Yes, uh, yes, cut it out. So I'm I'm in the house, I get up, and I had to do an early run to work. So I go, I take a shower, and all the lights are off. Wife's alarm clock is going off, and it's this eerie, freaking like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Like some crazy eerie shit. Right. And it just keeps it just, yeah, it keeps doing that shit. So as I opened the bedroom door, I didn't the light was off. I didn't fucking realize, bro, that she was out of the bed. So all I see is from the waist up hanging over like her work desk. Man, can I tell you? Butt cheeks clinched. My butt cheeks was like, I'm like, what the hell? And she starts, she looks at me, she's like, I'm like, oh yo, you just scared that shit out of me. Like, yeah, man. So, you know, it's it's that time of year.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, it's that that the fear fest right now that's happening, bro. All that stuff that's going on. And then, and I haven't even had a chance to really watch, like, I'm all like I love watching the uh the Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures and the Ghost Brothers. I love watching all that stuff. And that's why, so like I said, so the TV show that we were supposed that time for homework, I didn't have a chance to watch. But I did. But so now which one was it you saw?
SPEAKER_00:I saw the one that was Erie Hall about this kid who went to college. His dad dropped him off, went to college. He was a runner. He went from scholarship. Uh-huh. So, you know, he had to keep certain grades up and things like that. You know, when you go there. Yeah, yeah, right. Scholarship yeah. Yeah, and all that stuff. Right. Anyway, he started having uh problems where he was hearing his name being called.
SPEAKER_01:C bro.
SPEAKER_00:He when he s went there, he started running and he would take the same path all the time. What I noticed is through the woods. See. So and they kept showing how the woods looked eerie and all that stuff. Right, right, right. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So as time goes on, he's doing this, and what do you call it? Uh uh, I'm sorry. No good. Name being called right in in the woods. When he was running in the woods, by the way, he heard his name. See, no. And he stopped him looking around. I remember when I was st watching the show.
SPEAKER_01:Now, did he have headphones on as such, like like a workman or whatever? Or he did. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:Did he? Yeah. I believe he did. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Talk to his friend about it, right? Window during a yoga party, typing a paper of his in his room, hears it, his name in the hallway. Bro. Goes to check on it.
SPEAKER_01:No, you see, you don't do that. Sees nothing.
SPEAKER_00:No, people sit back to the desk and sees his name typed on the paper. And his name is Chris, by the way. So Chris, you're kidding me, Chris. So his friend finds out there's gonna be the paranormal investigators for that time because this is happening like in the 80s. Oh, okay. All right. So actually 1984. 3rd of September. Okay. Okay, I wrote that down. Erie Hall. Ed and Elaine Warren, the husband and wife, and they make all those movies, Conjure. Oh, the Conjurer. Yeah, yeah. Those people are real. Yeah. They referenced them in there. Of course, is the movie so they make it more. They were there? They went to see him? They were at the college. They spoke with the college. The front door. So he went with his friend. So it was real, real. Huh? Yeah, yeah. So they were at his college, and then he wound up sitting and watching and listening to them talk. And then they were explaining how you gotta be careful about what doors you open. How many people here played with Ouija boards, blah, blah, blah. No. And then be like, listen, you really shouldn't be playing around with that stuff because you do not know who you're letting in. Right. So it's scary stuff. So they're considered the original Ghostbusters for that time. Right? That's what they're saying. They believe ghosts draw energy from living or some kind of door that they can get through. Okay. You know? Like almost like you're giving them an invitation. Right, yeah, yeah. But you don't realize you're doing it.
SPEAKER_01:Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_00:Like you like them in. And they say the personality, your persona, also is a factor as well, meaning he was a nice guy, he was doing his grades, he studied, he was very vigilant about what he did, right? All that stuff. They say that those kinds of people that sometimes they go after because of that. Really? Yeah. So that's true. For some reason, you know, like they just well, not necessarily go after I should change that. That it depends on who, you know, that's how they figure out who's I guess it's a weakness. They can feel something in a sense. So let me rephrase that. Okay, I got you. I got you. So, you know, so certain people maybe give off certain vibes.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Without even knowing it. Gotcha. Like with the invitation part. Yeah. Right. So you're giving that invitation, you don't even realize you're doing it, but you're giving this guy, you know, crazy shit.
SPEAKER_01:Right, right, right, right, right. No way. So now who was the ghost? Well, now who was the ghost? So the the the couple come, the the married couple, the conjuring couple. What's the name again? I'm sorry. Oh yeah, Ed and Elaine. Ed and Elaine. I don't know why I can't remember Ed and Elaine. So Ed and Elaine, they come through. Now did they investigate? No, no, so check it out.
SPEAKER_00:Hang out.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, okay, okay. You're right.
SPEAKER_00:I I thought the same thing too when I was watching Okay, I'll watch the Okay. I'm ready. Okay. Oh, don't rush me. Oh my God. Elaine. So they went down this. His friend said, let's go down there and talk to them. And to the stage, Elaine and uh and Ed. Right, right, right, right. When he went up to her, she wouldn't shake his hand. See? She was like, she pulled back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, bro.
SPEAKER_00:He goes, I can't shake your hand. Oh. So she felt something. Yeah, that's not cool, bro. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Especially with them. So people that don't know, those are the two people that they've done, like neutral. They would have like they would like the conjurer and the. Abigail. Abigail. So now these were the I won't say they were the original. And that's a real doll, by the way.
SPEAKER_00:But by the way, it's a Raggedy and doll.
SPEAKER_01:It's not the doll that's in the movie. So sidebar. So we're gonna do the sidebar. Yeah. It is so the TV show Ghost Hunters, the guy Zach, he has a uh haunted museum in Vegas, and he has a handful of the different dolls that are possessed or supposed to be possessed over by him, locked up in his bottom or something like that. So he keeps them there because he was in touch with them.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And so anyway, so but then so now again, this couple, they've investigated Amityville Horror House. Oh, yeah, that was like their number one thing for that. They had gone back and whatnot because they were checking to see. Because Amityville Horror, it's only part true. Like the house is haunted, right? But the kid that did the murders was not crazy andor possessed when he did it, is what the real story is supposed to be. That's it's supposedly in other words, he was he was saying he felt the uneasy, but he didn't that's not why he murdered. He was or he wasn't possessed? He wasn't. Okay. That's how I heard the story because I was watching another documentary. I watched another documentary when they did.
SPEAKER_00:But in the movies it's portrayed as if he because that made a good story. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So same with Abigail. Right. So part one of Amityville Horror is part based on a true story. Part two is more close, it's closer, not more uh that's totally illiterate sounding, but it was closer to the truth of what happened, of what the kid had said. But anyway, so go ahead, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00:No problem, no problem. Okay. So she wouldn't even shake his hand. So that night, he went, he was sleeping one night in his dorm room, and they hear a noise. The tape recorder kept going on. Was his friend in the room? Did he have a roommate? And they both heard the noise. Yeah, he's like, yo, the pr the the the tape recorder kept going on. You see. So then he took it, I'm like, just take the batteries out, man. Up unplug it. Yeah, you know, right? Just and take and open the thing and take the tape out. No, take the tape out. Don't leave it in. Because what happens if he still does it again? Now you take it out, you're like, no, fuck you, I'm taking it out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, you can't play nothing.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Oh. Right, right, right, right. Have you ever seen that happen? Yeah, no. Oh no, I've never seen it in person. I've heard it happen. Yeah, I've heard of it, but yeah, they never did it. So go ahead. They heard the case.
SPEAKER_00:So because all this stuff, everything started going south for this kid. You know, he wasn't running, he was going bad in his grades, so he had to get his act together. So he wound up, wind up going to s visit a a priest. You know? Did the priest shake his hand? Did the priest shake his hand?
SPEAKER_01:He said Abigail didn't. Not Abigail, you hear me? Elaine didn't, so did the priest shake his hand. If she didn't shake his hand, I wanna know if the priest shook his hand.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. The priest, as that as a matter of fact, I apologize. I was looking at the notes at the same time. The priest at first thought he he gave him his book. Like he was keeping notes and stuff. So he brought his journal or whatever you want to call it. Oh, he gave it to the priest. He put it on the table to show the priest could be in the priest thought he was being an ass. Right. Was this funny? Did you come here to be da da da? Like he was getting really like offended. Right. You come to my head. He started crying. The kids started crying. Of course he's in college. I mean, you know. But he's like, I need help. Yeah, something's going on. So the priest winds up going and helping him, you know, talks to him and then winds up going to his dorm room and helping him out.
SPEAKER_01:No shit.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm surprised that the couple didn't. Elaine and what's his name didn't go and and check it out. Because if she had a funky feeling about him and she was getting bad vibes, that how come she didn't go and investigate? Right. Ooh. You know what? We need to have her on. I wish they could. Elaine.
SPEAKER_00:No, they she didn't even the way they left it was is that she didn't want anything to do with it. Like she's like, yeah, no, I can't. Wow. Like she was like, whatever it is. Which is funny because you would think she would. But she felt something that was so whatever it was, she was like, I don't want nothing to do with that. I don't even want to open that door. Wow. That's crazy, man.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, that's serious. Because that's what they did, bro. Like, they would actually go and try to help people. You know what I'm saying? And wow. That's like that must have been a super sinister feeling, vibe that she was getting off of this kid. And or whatever it was that she may have seen over his shoulder. Like that's bananas. Jesus Christmas. You know what, bro? Right. I'm good with that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's the show was good. I'm trying to just look at some stuff here. So the priest goes to the room, does a prayer for the sick. It seemed to help for a while. He was sleeping better, he was running, he was doing things he wasn't before. Right. You know. But other people started getting experiences now. In the dorms? Yeah. See? Yeah. One guy left because of the experience he had. No. Because they shared one night they they hung out in a room together. You know, they're like, just come sleep with us, whatever. And then well, he was there, and the experience happened, and he saw this figure, and he was like, I'm out. Yeah, you see. I went home. He then went home. Yeah. He went home. So it was bouncing from person to person. Right. Well, now s either somehow he opened something where when the priest went in there, the priest kind of maybe protected him in a sense where he was like, All right, well then I'll just go after everybody. Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, that's the thing that they say that kind of sort of.
SPEAKER_00:You gotta be careful who you let in. You gotta be careful, bro. That's why I always say when they do those when they do those investigations, when I see like sometimes Zach does it and it drives me crazy. I'm like, don't do that, man. Don't Don't antagonize. Don't antagonize. Yeah. Try to get the information. And I know a lot of it showed. Yep. So I'm not, you know. But for for protections for yourself and other people around you, you know, get the information some other way. I'm not saying being submit to anything. Right. But just do it in a way where you don't Yeah, see. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. I mean, if you're in you know, and I'm not telling them how to do his shit, but I know that's how I would approach it.
SPEAKER_01:But you're right, though. You know, I mean, I believe that they do get, they have experiences. I do believe that they have, you know, things that happen and they see or whatever. But there's no need to to me, there's no need to to to to instigate a fight. You know what I'm saying? Or a possession or even if it's bad or good, you want to listen. What do I need to help you? Exactly. What can I do to help you? We need to decide this keep going on. Right. That's why ghost hunters is cool. Right. Because they're like, what can we do to help you? Like, talk to us, let us know. You know, what's the one with um Jack Osborne? I forgot the name of that one. Jeez mini crickets.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, you're talking about the young kids with the brother and sister? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:Jack Osborne. I haven't seen the Oh, the bullet said that's the other one. Yeah. They drive in the RV and they go to different ones. That one's kids are nuts. Dude, they are. They're fucking crazy. These guys, if you haven't seen this one, these guys, they go in, they they're traveling in an RV, and one of them will pick a different place to go and investigate. They've gone to jails, they've gone to insane asylums, they've gone to houses, they've gone to abandoned houses, and they actually spend the night separate throughout the you know, in whatever place that whatever building that they're in. Man, listen, I I wouldn't. There are things that I mean, I get it. Listen, they always say that they do things to make it look, you know, more exciting because you're sitting there and you're watching the TV show. Right. But there's nothing. So we've all heard our name being called. We've all heard something being moved in another room. Like, don't open the door. Like when they say, when you hear somebody knocking at the door, I always ask who it is. Say, who is it? Don't turn around and go and open the fucking door. Because you're letting whatever it is that's calling your name on the outside in. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, no, dude, I can't. I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't. I I can't. Only because, like I said, of my personal experiences, I'm not trying to do that kind of shit. You're you're crazy. There's no way on God's green earth that I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that shit, man. No way. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But this part guy he went through, like, so I'll give you some more stuff. He was having before he started feeling better, he was having bad dreams. You know, he said he wasn't asleep, he was sleeping where it wasn't in his room. So like he was sleep in the rec room or the s the the snack area or whatever it was, he would just crash on the couch or whatever it was. He didn't have a roommate? He he did. No, his roommate left. Oh. So now it was just him. So when he was just him, so now he was trying to just break, like, if I'm not there, maybe I'll be okay out here, kind of attitude. So Yeah, and attempted to communicate. And then then he tried to communicate. He wasn't about happy about it. Right. But his friend who happened to be a photographer said, maybe if we communicate, figure it out, and you know, see what's happening, right, you know, we could figure out, you know, like, but the way they went about it was kind of weird. I I wasn't crazy about the way they did it.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you said this is the 80s.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it wasn't like they knew enough and wasn't. They were going whatever they thought would be right. Yeah. Right, right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_00:I probably would have referenced Lane and the other guy a little bit more before I attempted to do anything. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, definitely.
SPEAKER_00:Because you know their stuff is out there, you could get it in the library or probably something. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Because I mean, even too, with the recordings, you know, uh photography and stuff. Right. And 80s computers were starting to come out then. Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So if you had one or you were working on what you can get information a little bit better, yeah, quicker.
SPEAKER_01:That was how we got it at the time. Right. I mean, until then, we saw Poltergeist and shit, so you know, you know that they had set up cameras around the house and stuff like that. You know what I mean? Right. But yeah, no, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:So anyway, they took pictures and stuff, they wound up finding something in the picture that just seemed off in one of the pictures. And he told his friend, he said, listen, he told his friend Jeff, let's don't say anything to anybody. He was really like uptight about it, was fucking with him emotional. Right, right. You know, about what other people were thinking. Well, he wound up doing the opposite and and did share it with the people. And he wound he caught him doing it. And then, you know, everybody started calling him Ghost Boy and busting his balls, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And uh, you know, but at some point he came back and he uh apologized to him. Mm-hmm. And, you know, said, Hey, you know, I was just trying to help you out. Right, right. You know, I didn't mean to do that. You know, I was, you know, and then he made him write. He said, Do you want me to write it down? And he actually wrote it down. Yeah. He had him write it down or sign something. Right. So he uh what do you call it? Jeff didn't keep uh well he didn't keep his word. Having uh his bedroom seemed very real, saw figures in the woods where he was running. So he would see it in the bedroom, he would feel it. If he went out, now he was seeing it, like one time he stopped. He had this thing that he did when he counted. Right. And he would if he can get to higher number, he was I think he would think he was things were getting better. Right. But when he got to four on this one scene, he this thing was standing right there and he saw it and he just jetted. Yeah. He took off.
SPEAKER_01:Why he was in the woods or in the woods. See, but now again, this is that shit. What are you doing in the freaking woods, man? Listen, I get tell people all the time I laugh about it. I'm born and raised in Brooklyn. I can basically walk through any hood, money hanging out of my pocket, and I feel safe. You put me in the woods, I'm like, no, no, I'm listening, I don't do the woods, bro. I have friends that laugh at me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you gotta get you gotta be on another level. Yeah, you gotta be smart about it when you're out there. You gotta think on your feet and make sure you you protect yourself. Yeah, nah. Because you're in, you're out of your, you know, you're out of your freaking um comfort zone, man.
SPEAKER_01:And if you don't know how to address a spirit or ghost, whatever you want to call it, you know, it kind of messes you up because you never know what you could be doing that is attracting it or having it follow you home, come with you home, you know. It'll get in the car and ride with you. Have anybody ever seen that show Ghosts this thing? You know, one of those things. But yeah, man, nah, I I I don't get it. So then what happened to the kid? So did so he lost his roommate.
SPEAKER_00:Right, so one roommate left, his other friend was helping him, they fixed that up, and then you know, once he got the priest involved, that seemed to help the best. But what was happening was after that, he would be he would be in the room or something would come, they were in his room once. Uh-huh. They were all hanging. This is why the kid left. So let me tell you a story why he left. I'm sorry, I apologize. So anyway, they were all sleeping one night in the same room. Right. And this is after he saw the priest and all this other shit. His friend wound up seeing this thing. And that's why he left. And once he saw that he was gone, he was out. I like you said earlier. I apologize. But then other people saw it happen to other people. Happened to one of the girls they were hanging out with. She went into her room, they show the door being shut. Of course they had the toy. Right, right. Right, right, right. Close or shut, right? And then she looks in the mirror, and then this thing is like behind her or whatever. And then she's like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then they find her on the floor, unconscious, like like all out of whack. Creepy shit, man. Yeah, you think? Like, you know. No. So they get her, she wakes up, and when they get her up, they finally get her up. Because they thought she was dead at first. Right. She's like, he kept saying your name. He kept saying your name. So once I got done with the the two episodes, that's all I got to. There's another one coming up where it's winter break, and they wind up it's just Oh, it's the same episode.
SPEAKER_01:I thought it was different stories. No, it's the same one.
SPEAKER_00:It's just continuation. Dude. So, you know, once we I'll get to the next one, even regardless if it's Halloween or not. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna have to bring it up. Yeah, shit. I'm not gonna be home this weekend and talk about it. But yeah, I'm gonna I wanna see that. I'm gonna I gotta I gotta watch it now. Yeah, it was good. I have to watch it. The stories were good. But we have some other stuff here too. Yeah. Well, you got here that you have the the well, you had the Amityville horror. We started talking about it. We just talked about that before, right? Yeah. Yeah, 1974, bro. So think about it. How old were we?
SPEAKER_00:We I was I was three. I was well, six seventy-six, I would have been ten.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Right? So eight. You were eight when this happened, and I was six when this happened. Yeah. Well, yeah, 74. I mean, you hear me, I was six. I'm a crackhead. I was freaking. I was born in 72, I was two years old. I was 71, I'm sorry, I was three years old. Holy shit. Maybe we shouldn't drink before this show starts. Uh no, but so but I don't remember the story. Like, I didn't see it, of course, live. I wouldn't remember watching it on TV or whatever. Amityville Horror. Oh, yeah, I've seen it in the murder and all that. Right, right. But I'm saying, like, I never saw the I never saw the original news thing or whatever. Because don't forget the news, like I said, it was a real murder. There was something that really happened and whatnot. So, you know, it they just made it into that it was a ghost story. But yeah, Amityville Horror, you think about, I mean, I'm not saying that the house wasn't possessed or whatever the case may be, or I mean, I'm sorry, haunted, and that the kid didn't get possessed. I don't even know. They're saying that, you know, like I said, a documentary thing that I had seen a bunch of years ago was that the house was haunted, but that's not what he got into a fight with his parents and ended up, you know, killing the whole family. It's just he just went on a rampage. Yeah, he just went on a rampage because he was pissed, is what you know I had heard, and you know, that's when they were going to accused that and then added things that have made it into whatever, you know what I'm saying? Gotcha. Um But this one, Eastern State Penitentiary. So once the most feared prison in America, its cold cells were designed for total isolation. Guards and visitors report seeing shadowy figures, hearing footsteps, and distant screams. One famous story tells of a locksmith who, while working in a cell, suddenly became paralyzed with fear, claiming he saw faces of tortured prisoners spurring around him in the walls. So now we were just talking about those kids that go to the to the to the different places that you were just talking about, that they go into RV and they travel. I believe they were here at the Eastern State Penitentiary. I know they went to a couple of jails. Right. And they they heard stuff. Like they heard cell doors closing. They had to be a good thing. Oh, yeah, when they do the when they do the ghost thing, they go to all kinds of things. They go to old mental institutions for the time, you know. So and then now here's the crazy. With the menstrual mental institutions, institutions, holy shit, go political, sorry. With the mental institutions, right, they say that because of what it was way back in the day of how they deal with the people that were mentally ill, right? It was more of a torture because they didn't treat them the way they would do right now. So they were pretty much like beat you, scare you. They would let you just lay your own treatment and all these other things, because that's what was gonna get. It was bad. It wasn't good. So then now you have people that died while going through all of these. Right. So yeah, that all that is hard at in there. Right. Again, this is if you believe in all of this stuff, you know, and it's it's funky stuff that's that's happening, and you know, well, it's it's bad feelings, bad aura that's still stuck in those buildings, right? You know, in the walls.
SPEAKER_00:So now they say it leaves a like it imprints itself onto where it is. And then there's always a resid a residual. Right, right. That's it, residual haunting. Right. And it and you just it's coming back sometimes. So it'll repeat over and over again.
SPEAKER_01:So that's the residual haunting. And intelligent haunting is when it's that that poltergeist or something like that. But it actually speaks back to you. So when you ask questions, it's giving you the answer.
SPEAKER_00:I like when you use the hand monitor.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. And it says some crazy shit. Yeah. So that's the stuff that uh Elaine and what's and her and Ed, that's the kind of stuff that they were using way back in the day. Now we might primitive because they only had certain cameras and certain things. Certain recorders and stuff like that, and they were getting they were still getting recordings. Oh, they're still getting catching something, yeah. On the regular, you know, on the old school, you know, cassette. They would have loved to have what we have now. Dude, if they had what they had now, forget about it. They would have been able to probably solve a lot more, or not solve, but you know, fix a lot more stuff. Yeah. And so that then, you know, the Easter the all the penitentiaries, all the jails. You have the prisons that would be in, you know, ones that were confinement. Solitary confinement that they bugged out, you know, ones that killed themselves. And they would be in there for like forever, man. Yeah. Like it wasn't, I mean, not that jail is any better now, you know what I'm saying? But it is better than what it was back then, I guess is the really it's not that it's great to be in jail. You would hope so, right. Right. But that it's still a place where there's sorrow, there's miserable. It's not a very healthy uh environment at all. You know, overpopulation. So then now when you turn around and you look at what it was back in the day before they, you know, quote unquote, you know, made it the living conditions better, these are people that were upset. You know, these are people that were mad. They died there. I don't want to die here. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. They were they had no power at all. They were being exactly. So now their ghosts are there. And you hear about that stuff, like I said, all over the place. You know, when you hear about people that are that they go to certain jails or even to houses and, you know, somebody died a brutal death. You know what I'm saying? Or they just didn't know that it was their time to grow. Right. You know, and here they are, that they just they're still in that space. They're still there. They can't go anywhere. They don't even know how to leave where they are. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:Right. But if you can help them somehow, if they want it. Right. Maybe they don't want it. Maybe they want to be there and they don't want you there. Listen. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:That's probably the key. That's probably the key right there, bro. I will give you that 150 million percent. Because if it's something that they're now they're used to, now they're comfortable, now they don't, they don't trust you. Right. Whatever the case may be, they're gonna stay there. They're gonna be there. And listen. How are you gonna know that they're not there? I mean, I guess you could. Oh, but uh yeah. But it's like anything else. Uh think about it. You know, and almost anywhere you go, somebody has probably died in that space on that property. Maybe not so much like under your house, but they could have died a hundred yards from your house. So boom, you know what? I'll give you this one. They had ghost hunters, I believe it was, was at where the Manson murders with Sharon Tate and whatnot. Right. That house isn't whatnot, that space isn't there. So supposedly the spirits were at the houses in the neighbors of the neighbors' houses. Okay. So that then when the ghost hunters went over there and they were doing their investigations because people were reporting about, yo, I hear this in the house, I hear that, they are not in that same space. But to try to get across to the living, they went to the other houses on that same hundred yards. All right. You know what I'm saying? So that then my point is that if you almost anywhere that you go, there will probably be, if you want to put it like that, you know Someone's passed away. Somebody's passed away.
SPEAKER_00:Accident happened.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Shit happened. Fatality. Yeah, you never know. You know what I mean? I can't tell you how many times driving and you know, you hear stories like we were talking last episode. People driving roads where they're pushing kids, you know, I mean where kids are pushing the cars out of the way because a school bus got hit by a train, you know, just all these different things that we associate with, you know, paranormal activity. Right. You know, how much of it is true, how much of it isn't.
SPEAKER_00:I think a lot of it, I I think when they don't listen, there is stuff like when you watch the like the real deal kind of, you know, when you see the people, whatever, you know, they have the music and all that. Right, right. But I think you kind of know which one you can say, okay, this is fun to watch, yeah, imagine, you know. But then there are some that you watch and you're like, whoa, that's yeah, that's shit off the hook. Yeah, it's out there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now they also say that your energy.
SPEAKER_00:Well, listen to uh our friends had you called Full Moon Paranormal, right? They they they invited us, by the way, if we wanted to go to any of their things. All again this year? Yeah, they have a bunch of them. Yeah they have a a you know, schedule, so but they do this stuff all the time. Yeah, they put it on, you know, they have it on On their page, their social media. Yeah, everything, yeah. So they they they do a great job of it. I see a lot of their stuff. So imagine them. I mean, I'm sure they have a lot of they've been to a lot of places.
SPEAKER_01:We gotta have them on, man. Right. We gotta have them on. But I mean it it but we need to go there. Well, that too, yeah. You know, you can go there and let me know how it is. I'll talk to you on the phone. We'll go there. But it's just but e even with that, these are people who now they do all the things to not have whatever spirits follow them home. You know what I'm saying? It stays wherever it is. But even with them, sometimes they follow you, like you said. Right. That's if a spirit follows you, bro, you don't even know. You need your serious help. Yeah. And even buying trinkets, you know what I'm saying? They say. So now here's the thing. Oh, right. Right, they say because it leaves a something like people go to the yard sales and stuff like that. Buy something, bring it to the house. You bring it to the house, you go to the You start getting crazy. Yeah, things start acting up, you know. Right. I mean, now listen, uh out of a st a hundred episod a hundred stories that you hear about that kind of stuff, there might be maybe two. You know what I'm saying? It's not that this is something that, like, oh my god, it's happening every time. You should have given him something. You put it in his hand. Oh, you can't grab it, he doesn't have a dumb. But, you know, it's just one of those things, man. I tell you what, I just can't I don't I wouldn't do it. You could do it. You will. I'm I I won't.
SPEAKER_00:Like I said, I didn't have a really when I went the first time, I was, you know, there were some things that happened, but it wasn't something that like, you know, like I got spooked or anything like that. It was interesting because I was I felt like all my senses were like like homed in on, okay, what's going on? Yeah. Taking my time, being, you know, very peaceful, not being destructive or bull in the china shop kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. So because you never know.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's the other thing too. Again, it depends on how you're going in the the vibe that you're giving, that whatever spirits, said spirits, will come to you, right, speak to you, you know, or or talking to, like, just answer you. Because we would think you and I were talking a couple of days ago that you put the that they have that thing now where they put the blindfold on you, put the headphones on. Right. Yeah. And that people from in another room will be asking questions, or another part of the building will be asking questions, and that that person that's sitting there um with just the headphones on will hear the answers. You know, I mean, yeah, you know, you gotta somebody else has to be there so they can write down with the words, right?
SPEAKER_00:I've seen that. Yeah. There's a couple shows that do it where, you know, she'll have the headphones on and he'll be in another room, or vice versa. Right. He'll say, ask it a crazy question, and then she'll go, Bob.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right, right, right, right. Meanwhile, he's asking, so what's your name? And then she's yelling out, Bob. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_00:It's like he doesn't know it until he talks to her later.
SPEAKER_01:But right. So then he doesn't even yeah, listen.
SPEAKER_00:Right? She's like, oh, well, this is what I wrote down. Oh my god, this is what he asked me. Yeah, no, bro. I'm telling you, man. Listen, yeah. Listen, I think, I think you can definitely tap into something. Of course, you know, like again, with TV and everything and Hollywood and whatever. And, you know, there are some legit you see some that are like, I don't know, man. Yeah, that doesn't sound too spiffy. Yeah, that's that's off. You know, like what you get creeped out about it, you know. I think the whole thing with the vibe, like you were saying, you feel something and you know. You're like, yeah, that doesn't like it. Do you ever get that? Like I was asking Tanya about this. If you drive by a house, and that's not to be broken down or to look you know, like shot or anything like that, but walk drive by a house and go. Yeah, no. So like you get a feeling about a house.
SPEAKER_01:Why do you say that? I drive, I guess I do that sometimes I do it at two o'clock in the morning run. And I go up into Bedford, Brewster, New York, go in that direction, and there is a building that when I drive past it, right, dude, I can't tell you why, what it is, or whatever. It's for sale now. Or for leave for sale. You like it? Or you don't like it. It's just like I go by it, it's like, it's like, it's almost like it's calling my name. Like it's almost like pay attention to me. Wow. I don't want to say saying my name. It's not like it's not yelling, Kenny. It's interesting, but you can't help to see it. But you stop like I don't I don't stop. Um because it's on, it's right, it's literally off the the the on ramp. Okay. So it's not like I could turn around and like come up on it and whatever. And it's freaking three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning, like as I'm as I'm driving past it. Got it. So I start my drive at two o'clock in the morning. I'm passing it around four, between four fifteen and four thirty. All right. I'd be passing this in the morning. And I look at it because it's always like, pay attention. Like, look at me. Like I feel that almost that oomph.
SPEAKER_00:You should just try to drive by without out looking at it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I've done it. I have, you know what I'm saying? But it's still every once in a while that I just like look to see where it is. It's almost like I'm trying to set my bearings, where I am, where I'm driving, and you know, how far on my route that I am, you know? Right. Um that where I am on my route. I should say, I'm sorry. You know, that's okay. And it's just, yeah, dude, it's it's all I get it. And it's funny because there was a ghost adventures where this lady said that she had been driving back and forth and she was looking for a new house. And she was driving back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, and that this house kept calling her, this particular house kept calling her name. Kept calling her name, kept calling her name. So she turned around and ended up moving, like buying the freaking house, bro. Why would you do that? Because she thought that she took it as it was more like, oh my God, that's my dream house, blah, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, it was that it was the, you know, according to what the show was on, it was sucking you in. Right. So now she's in there and she's having all types of her marriage ended up breaking up because they would see a figure at the foot of the bed. The husband was like, I'm gonna say, you know, for lack of a better word, like getting possessed. You know, he was getting like these bad feelings, and he would start arguing with the wife and the kid. Oh, okay. You know, so she ends up staying there when he moves out. Now she's calm. You know, now she's calmer, the kids are chilling. I'm like, man, listen, I'd have got rid, I wouldn't, man. But again, I guess it I think it's your pr your personality. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I think it's the already to give off. You know, they know we're not to mess with you.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it's what you are and or aren't going to do. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I got a shitload of stories about ghost systems.
SPEAKER_00:Before we end this, the Whaley House, San Diego, California, once called the most haunted house in America. The Whaley House was built over former gallows site. You see, visitor staff reports smell of cigar smoke, cold spots, and ghostly laughter of a child people claim to see. You see, what the fuck? Thomas Whaley himself appearing black frock coat, still tending in his home, a house that history never quite let go. You see what I'm saying, bro? Those are the things, man. Yeah. No, before we end, I want to get these all out, man. So Bell Witch, Tennessee, 1800s. Yup. The Bell family was tormented for years for an unseen force that spoke, sang hymns, and physically assaulted them. The entity claimed to be a woman named Kata Bates. Kate. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it was an A, my bad. Kate Bat Bates or Bats, I should say, seeking revenge. She allegedly killed John Bell Sr., making the most I'm sorry, making it the only case in America of folklore where Spirit was said to have caused a person's death. Some say her whispers can still be heard in the woods today.
SPEAKER_01:Now here's the thing. Is it would it would it, could it be that it wasn't that the spirit didn't kill it, didn't kill him. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like it was just him that he drove himself baddie. That he just like got crazy because he thought he heard it or whatever, and you know, killed himself. I'm just saying, bro. You're talking about way back in the day. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you don't get your teeth fixed and you know, he didn't have a lot of security back then, bro. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I'm just so something wanted to harass you back then, and if it was worse than it is now, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:And and mental illness. Mental illness.
SPEAKER_00:You know, you don't, you know, we gotta take consider gotta consider your diet. Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:Do you have any exercise? Well, so we know now, if you don't get your teeth fixed, abscess, go to your brain and kill you. Oh, I'll go to your heart and kill you. Go to your heart and kill you. So now because you can get what's it called? I forgot. Not sepsis. Yes. Sepsis? Yes. Okay. So boom. So you get that. Now, the things that could happen in whatever happens, how you know, bad things, you know, people get sick and whatnot, if that's what made him fucking crazy, and he just ran into the fucking wall until he was dead. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just all those little things. I'm talking, and that's me just playing devil's advocate. Devil's advocate, right? You know what I'm saying? Well, on some of this shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, dude, it's serious. So, you know, I don't know. I think just for me, you know, I believe that there are spirits. Yeah, I believe there's some. I believe because of my own experiences. People who, like I said again, don't have it, never did have these experiences. I've had it with my cool beings, I get it. Right. But Bella. So that then now can't open by itself, bro. I'm I'm just saying, dude. I'm just saying. There are things there are things, I get I got a shitload of stories. My grandparents' house in Boston, bro. I'm telling you, I got three other fucking stories. Just leave it, yeah. Because it's serious. And you know, it and you always feel that person. I'm sorry. You always feel that thing behind you.
SPEAKER_00:Whatever presence it has to be.
SPEAKER_01:Whatever presence, yep, your hair stands up on end. Something's not right. You get that cold chill. Bro, today I was in the machine. I'm working on the machine, and the AC inside the machine wasn't on. It has its own air conditioning thing. It wasn't on. How is it that I felt a cold breath behind me? Whoa. That's serious. Now, there was there's also a thing about this gentleman that used to work for the company, he passed away. Okay. Every once in a while, we'll smell cigarettes. He was a smoker. I love that.
SPEAKER_00:That happened when Nyareen passed away. Yeah. Oh, that's right. You told me that. I came home to the map and I smelled cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like somebody was smoking in my living room. Yeah. She's like, Now I know cigarettes. Let me tell you, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I smoke them motherfuckers. So she's like, hey, no.
SPEAKER_00:Tony's like, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, it's crazy. Yeah, dude, because nobody in this house fucking smokes. That's right. Nobody. And I will bust your ass if you even try to light up a map. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So that then is and it's not like you have people over that smoke. No. And if you do, you're on outside. I don't care. No, no, no. But it's like not even on their clothes. On their clothes, like there's no residual in here. There's nothing. Yeah. No. I'm just saying, bro. I know. I'm just saying. Well, that's being said, my friend. So thank you all for joining us. Thank you so much. Yes. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. And we'll do a Tom, the old school Tom. Go weird. Oh, be weird. That's the new one. That's why I say old school. I'm going to say go vegan. All right. Yeah, old school. Let's go vegan. Thank y'all for watching. Have a good one.
