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Serial Killers, Cinema, And The Chills They Leave Behind
The mask isn’t the scariest part of horror. It’s learning where the mask came from. We dive into the real story of Ed Gein and the way his crimes shaped Psycho, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and Silence of the Lambs—then pull apart why Monster hits like a gut punch. Not because it’s gory, but because the performances, the voice, and the mundane details make the nightmare feel ordinary. When a quiet house creaks or a chair rocks for too long, your brain fills in the rest.
We walk through the references you’ll spot the moment they appear—rocking chairs, graves, “mother” in the walls—and talk about the line between faithful depiction and artistic choice. From there, we widen the frame: the Night Stalker’s ritual chaos, BTK’s methodical cruelty, John Wayne Gacy’s double life, and how women who kill often get misfiled and overlooked. We also break down the labels that matter: serial killer versus mass murderer versus hitman, and what those distinctions reveal about patterns, motives, and risk. The goal isn’t to sensationalize; it’s to understand why certain stories cling to culture and how to trust your instincts when something feels off.
Then we pivot to the crafted nightmares that borrow our real fears. Welcome to Derry pushes Stephen King’s mythology into new, grotesque territory, with images that linger long after the credits: spawning cycles, infant terrors with impossible wings, and set pieces that work like waking dreams. It’s the same psychology, different engine—suggestion over spectacle, uncertainty over certainty. By the end, you’ll have a sharper lens for both true crime and horror, and a fresh watchlist to keep the lights on a little longer.
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Hello and welcome to CC and NJ Guy. Ah bro, that sounded really professional. That was good shit. Very professional. Yeah, super professional. That was awesome. I know. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it again. Do it right. Stop you in the face with a walking. Do it again. Yeah. So we're going to be. What's up, peoples? Welcome back. Yeah. Welcome back. How are you doing, gentlemen? I'm good. Cool, cool. Excellent. So again, Lou, tell us, tell us, tell us.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, next, well, we're still doing the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Still on the Halloween.
SPEAKER_02:We're extending it. We did five parts and now we're bonus. We like Halloween so much we're we're extending it. Yeah. Bonus, bonus. Well, today is the day of the dead, isn't it? Yes. Today. November 1st is we're recording today. We normally record on Fridays because yesterday was Halloween. Halloween.
SPEAKER_00:So, you know, we Kenny, could you please tell us it is Dia de los Muertos. Muertos. Muertos. Muertos. Muertos. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Muertos. Yeah, like yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So that was like Spaniard almost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_00:No shit. No shit.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, go ahead, Luke. So now we continue on with serial kills. Yes. Right. So we're in the process of watching. If you haven't seen it, I know you two guys are still in the middle of it. Or must. I watched the whole thing. And yeah. It was really bad.
SPEAKER_00:Well, wait, tell me a show.
SPEAKER_01:Disturbing.
SPEAKER_00:Monster. Monster. Monster Game Sorry. Yes. Oh man, listen. Oh, real person. Yeah, yeah. Real you know. Yeah. The whole thing was real. Everything that they talked about. Well, he was a real serial killer and whatnot. And it was just showing, it's showing how it started.
SPEAKER_02:Right. And isn't that who Leatherface is supposed to be modern? That's what Lou was telling us. Yeah. So that's Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Yep. And then Lou said, what was it? Was Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Then it was Silence of the Land. Well, in order it would be Psycho. Psycho, I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01:And then it would be Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and then it would be Silence of the Land.
SPEAKER_00:Got it. Right. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:Because all three of those films took something from that story and used it to make their own.
SPEAKER_02:A lot of it was wearing skim.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, really. Freaking insane. It was insane. When you watch the movie, the series, it was done really done well. And the reason I say it was done well because I wouldn't feel the way I do if it wasn't. Because I'm disturbed by watching this freaking thing. It was good, but at the same time, you're like, no. Yeah. It's so real. It's like they the acting is incredible, I think, as far as to do that kind of part alone is gotta be mental. Mm-hmm. Somewhere, yeah. Some way. Like I want to see.
SPEAKER_00:To me, just watching it was Well, I want to see the chart the interview because it's Charlie Hunan. Charlie. Oh, from Sons of Sons Anarchic. Yeah, he was Jackson's Sons of Anarch. Right, yeah. And um, he's the one that does it. So he's from was he Australian? Something like that. I think he's Australian. Something like that. So that then he doesn't have that voice, like, you know, he doesn't have that the accent, of course. Yeah. And he's got a super, he does his voice, kind of almost like, oh, well, thank you, sir. It's like that crazy. Right, yeah. He came up with it himself. Super fucking creepy, bro. He's he is creepy.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. He is creepy. I'm like, wow, this guy is like it's a cool show.
SPEAKER_00:That like I was saying to you guys earlier, the wife, she says, yeah, no. She says, I want to watch, I want to watch it. So I'm like, I will put it back on. And we watched the whole the first two episodes. I was already on episode three. And which after she saw, she said, No, I I I don't I don't think so. I I that's a lot for me. I'm like, they didn't show nothing gory yet, though. Like nothing even crazy, not even gory, like no kind of just the whole mental just how he speaks, you know, how he is as uh yeah, you got it. The show is it's it's pretty wild.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so of course it all stems from his childhood. Right. You know, the shit that's going on, how his mother's treating him, and how you know she makes him feel, and she it's total violation. And it's just when you watch it and it's the woman, uh what's the actress's name from Roseanne's Roseanne's sister.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, who's Roseanne's sister Connors?
SPEAKER_01:Anyway, yeah. So when you watch it and how see how it progresses, you know, his mother gets a stroke, he takes care of his mother, he's washing his mother, yeah, you know, and then he's clothing her, and then eventually she starts to get better, and then eventually she has a heart attack and dies, and then he just starts hearing her voice, yeah, and she's telling him what to do. So he goes and digs her up, but he can't get to it because there's a it's a metal.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was a metal.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's not metal, it's it's concrete, I think. Oh, that's what they use now to cover it. But it could have been.
SPEAKER_00:I don't know, but I thought it was 245, so I was like, oh, it would do better.
SPEAKER_01:So he couldn't get to her. So she's like, well, dig up the one next to me, she tells him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. So get the hut. So he does that. That was great.
SPEAKER_01:And he puts her in the rocking chair. Yeah. And where does that come from? What movie does that remind you of? That's a psycho. Psycho, right. Right. Exactly. So you see the references through the series right away. And I'm sit I'm naming them off while I'm sitting there watching it with Tanya. Yeah. And she's, how do you know this? I'm like, it's this movie, it's that movie, it's this movie. I've seen all these movies. I know. And I understand what they're going, what the the the the progression of the series. So it's really cool, you know.
SPEAKER_02:It's creepy when you think about it, though. When you think about that, they that that was a real person that did all that shit, and the fact that they pulled made movies from stuff that actually happened. It's not like someone imagined, like, you'll be really messed up and be like, no, that actually happened. I think we should put that in the middle of the movie. And this guy got a manual movie.
SPEAKER_01:He got a crazy following. Yeah. People loved him.
SPEAKER_00:That's insane, bro.
SPEAKER_01:You know, at some point, and I don't want to jump ahead yet, so we'll, you know, they do check with him, have him help the police out to find somebody who is also doing similar to what he was doing. Right. Well, you know, but I mean And he was able to, you know, I'm not I don't want to say what it was or whatever. Right, right, right. But you eyes all understand when you watch it. So I'm trying to be polite by not giving it to the stuff. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. Not a spoiler, so if you've seen it on the other people who are watching this or listening to it, you guys seen it already. You know exactly what I'm talking about, so you are a definite. And those who haven't, right, you'll understand as soon as you're done. Dude. Yeah, it's just so cool. Yeah, and then he gets involved with this girl. There's also kind of demented.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, and that's the part I gotta catch up with.
SPEAKER_01:She's showing him crazy pictures from Auschwitz and all the people from the Holocaust, and he's digging this. He's like, this is great. Yeah. He's loving it. Yeah. So his first victim, though, you guys already saw it, was his brother. Right. Right? Kills him in Barney, knocks him in the head with that piece of wood. But that was an accident.
SPEAKER_00:I don't think that that that wasn't, I don't think that that was like his first victim to say, like, Well, he still kills somebody, right? Well, no, no, I know I'm saying I I'm I'm going by what we say what would be the serial killer scene.
SPEAKER_01:He felt bad about it when he did it. Yeah. And then he and then he fantasized that his brother actually was okay. Yeah. And then went back later and he wasn't. Right. Found him dead. And then he came up with this idea of how to do the fire. Right.
SPEAKER_00:To say he got uh you know smoke inlation. Yeah. And even the cops were were were bugging out with that too. You saw that part, right, Tom?
SPEAKER_02:No, I didn't see that part.
SPEAKER_00:Oh no, but they didn't. They let him go. No, no, no, I know, I know. But that he was that the cops came and spoke to him. Uh because so it's not really a spoiler. So in the in when his like Blue said, he they he and his brother used to play this game. He says, Gotcha. So he thought that he may believe like the mom was behind the brother. And when the brother turned around, he did it. Whacked him with uh with a log. And you know, he he hit him harder than he hit the card. He hit him hard. He hit him hard. But because I think he just didn't know his own strength kind of thing. Yeah, because he was pissed off. Yeah. And when he hit him, he killed him. But then when he's like, Oh, he grabbed the cart, he's the wheelbarrow, he starts to run out of the barn, and his brother jumps up, looks, you know, and he's like, Oh, you got me good there, Eddie. Right. When he's walking out of the barn. When he's walking out of the barn. He's like, okay. He's like, I'll make it right with mama, and he closes the barn door. Yeah, yeah. The brother closes the barn door, but the brother's already dead, so it's what Ed saw in his head. You gotta see it, dude. It's I'm telling you, it's bugged out, and you gotta pay attention because it switches you back and forth to different stories. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's the same story, just different, you know, like things that are going on that they suspect were going on in his head. So yeah, it was it's bananas, man. It's it's really he winds up going in a direction.
SPEAKER_01:And it you see it happening. You're like, he's probably gonna wind up doing this if he hasn't done it already. Just you're gonna it's it's gonna take you for a ride as far as what's going on and what he winds up doing. Yeah. You know, it is so demented on every every level. That's how good it was, because it fucked me up just watching it. I'm thinking this movie messed me up. And I've seen horror movies. Right. This is about a guy who's actually done it, and maybe that's why it makes it different. Because when you're doing a it's fantasy, right? But then when somebody you realize it was actually somebody who already did this, has gone there.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because like like I was I was saying earlier, like when you watch like a horror movie, like, oh, that's plausible, but not really. That's that wouldn't happen. You know what I mean? But then when you left and you're like that, that should be. That should really happen. For real, for real. Yeah, somebody did that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Like, wow. Yeah, man. Yeah. It's insane. But I guess too. But they think it's normal. Well, yeah. They think that it's something so like they well, no, because they know that it's not okay to do because they do it in secret. Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but remember, and you're gonna find out. He plays this thing where he doesn't remember ever doing it. Right, right. So supposedly he had he's saying he has these lapses where he doesn't realize or whatever it is he's doing. Right. But that doesn't really you know what I mean? Like you you watch it, you guys are gonna love it, man.
SPEAKER_00:Just watch the whole thing. Oh, I'm gonna, yeah, I just watch bananas.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, definitely. So it it made a story about when Anthony Hopkins, right? I believe. Yes, in Silence of the Lambs. He took that to a whole different level. They took that story, he was somebody who ate meat, right? Right. Skinned somebody in the movie. Yeah. Remember? He put the face on him to get out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Right. Remember that shit. But other than the chair.
SPEAKER_02:Uh Buffalo Bill who was like wearing women's uh skin on his body.
SPEAKER_01:And you will Yes. Yes. So that too. That will be mentioned as well, by the way. Yeah. Just so you know. I'm not gonna say why. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. But you guys are gonna be like, oh shit. Yeah. It's I'm telling you this story, whoever did this, and I should have paid attention, obviously, to the credits. But I was so like, after the movie was over, I'm like, all right, we need to watch something else because I'm my mind is fought.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, man. You know what does that? Black Mirror does that to me. I can't watch too many episodes of Black Mirror. I didn't see the second one. Psychological. We mean it's a psychological. Oh no, what's the second one? Black phone. Black phone came out of the city. On the Black Mirror the Sunday. Oh no, no, I didn't see the it's black Black Mirror is like Twilight Zone on steroids. But more more psychological horror. If like if it's an anthology series, so every episode's not linked together. Okay, okay. Like American Horror Story. Yeah. Like that's an anthology series, but every season is is different. Wasn't Gaga in the very horror story? Yeah. But with Black Mirror, it's like Twilight Zone. Every episode every story is completely different. But like you you watch it afterwards, you get like messed up. You're like, oh my God. Like I I can't watch, like you can't binge it. I I I don't know people someone. Dude, it's disturbing.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, these things that you're like, and but when you see stuff like that, you can't binge it. The sick part is there's people like that out there. And unfortunately for them, because they finally they they schizophrenia, I have to tell you, right? So the way the guy, the doctor described it, I don't think I'm ruining anything for you here. You guys probably already figured that out, but he does. He said your mind is like a shattered mirror and the shards all over the place. Okay. But you don't can't decipher which ones are real and which ones are not.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Got it.
SPEAKER_01:So and his mind is as real as it can be as if it was fake. You know, when it was fake, like, okay, you get that. But still it doesn't make it right, obviously. We can't have this guy going around fucking Yeah, yeah, just doing whatever.
SPEAKER_00:You know, kill somebody, dig up a grave, la, yeah. You know, by the way, Vulva. Just remember that I saw that. I saw that. Yeah, yeah. Just remember that.
SPEAKER_01:I saw that.
SPEAKER_00:And then you will be like, Yeah, because wait, what movie was was that when it with Alfred Hitchcock was walking through and uh they were talking about the thing. Yeah, he was showing the show, the movie to Anthony Perkins, I believe it was. No, no, yeah. The second one.
SPEAKER_01:Who was the guy who played who was the guy who played Second? It wasn't Anthony Perkins. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:So he shows him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was in the world.
SPEAKER_01:Because I picked you for this movie. Yeah. Yeah. And I guess that the you guys seen that part then already. I saw that part. I see. He didn't see that all. He didn't see it all. Oh shit. So we gotta.
SPEAKER_02:It's all right, it's all right.
SPEAKER_01:You won't ruin it for you? No. Yeah, no. So we're sorry, we're not ruining it for you guys.
SPEAKER_02:Something's really good.
SPEAKER_01:No, I think a lot of people be honestly, I think I'm already people have seen the damn thing already, and I'm like put far behind already.
SPEAKER_02:I think, you know, but either way, if I'm not that show, I I don't feel is like a spoiler because it's a real life yeah, like you know what I mean.
SPEAKER_01:Now listen, of course they Hollywood it and do whatever they do, right? Yeah. So but but when you watch when you swatch the scenes when it's him and what he's doing and how it happens, you're like you you're like, wow. Yeah. Wow. People know what's going on? Like, you can't it doesn't, you know, you can never, of course, find any reason to make that seem like that's okay. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:Like and like I said, that's why like that.
SPEAKER_01:And then you got that chick who's with him too. Yeah, that's why I gotta catch up. She's super demented.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, see, that's right.
SPEAKER_01:So she's starting to show her true colors. Yeah, nice. So they were tag teams. Well, no, no, no, not like that. Okay. Not like that.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:She's I don't want to ruin it, but alright. She's more someone who likes to look at it after it's done. That's where her mind is at. You know, and don't forget in this, she also fantasizes about that woman in in Germany who actually took skin from shoes and used it for lamps and things of that nature. Yeah. All right.
SPEAKER_00:You gotta see this shit, man. So you're gonna see that. I'm sorry. I yeah, you gotta see. Yo, wait till you see the case. You'll be fine, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gonna bug you the fuck out, man. This is it's and the episodes are are just right long enough. You know what I mean? Like the episodes aren't too long, like, oh, this is just some are long and then some are a little bit shorter.
SPEAKER_02:All right, they're just giving you those stories. You know what is I I got caught up with with the it series. So maybe I'll talk about that a little bit later in twice. No, we should. We can.
SPEAKER_00:When we're done talking about this, we'll see. I mean, because we're talking, I mean, because there's a there's a couple of you said there was a couple. I hadn't even really looked. There was a couple of um of shows now, documentaries where they're talking about serial killers. Yeah, yeah. You got that one woman, the one we were talking about earlier. That's what I gotta see, bro. I want to see the one with the chick that she's the killer.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Like I want to see that has uh what's it called? I don't have no. We just talked about it.
SPEAKER_00:No, not this week. Maybe we talked about Netflix. No, we're talking about no, we just we didn't bring that up last week, did we? Yeah, we did. Yeah, you and I brought it up last week. I didn't see this again. We didn't talk about this week, but there's a chick too that's that's the cereal color. That's what I want to see. Oh, I see what you're saying. Like they they we you don't hear too much about women civil cutters. Like, you know, you hear like the the black, but there were a lot of them. And that's what I'm saying, man.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but usually it's men, but women, it's once in a while you find out, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because I think they categorize women differently from cereal cutters. You know what I'm saying? Like the women's like, you know, like the nurse, like there was a nurse that had turned around and was, you know, killing people, you know, elderly or whatever, giving them the extra shots and stuff like that, you know. Another one where she had people that were coming and staying at her boarding house kind of shit. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like little things like that. Right. But you don't think of them as like the serial killers. You think like, you know, the guys are fucking with them, and that's why they turned around and killed that guy or whatever, you know what I mean? That momentary shit. You know, the guys, you know, you hear about like what's going on, the Gilgo Beach down in uh Long Island. Yeah, they they know they have all those bodies that they're finding out in the beach. That's fucked up. And it's crazy because they were looking at one guy and they turned around and now they're finding a whole bunch of bodies because that seems to be the Was that recently? Right. Yeah, yeah. This is in the past two years. Because I r I remember they did an episode of Law and Order with that. Because there was other bodies, but it was somewhere else. It wasn't the same beach. Okay, yeah. Yeah. So I'm telling you, man, there's just so many. You half the time when it's, you know, when you look at these missing persons posters and stuff like that, when you see, you don't think that they probably got caught up by, you know, a serial killer that the that the police or well, yeah, I'll say the police don't want to say he's a serial killer. Because then that's when you put everybody in the panic. You know what I'm saying? We we'd all be going crazy looking around. Is that you? Is it Tom, where were you last night? You know? Lou, Lou, what do you mean? You you you're why is your bumper fucked up, Lou? You know what I mean? What's on your bumper, man?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so did you guys ever hear Angela Simpson? No. No. She tortured and murdered 46-year-old Terry Neely in Phoenix in August 2009 and admitted to hammering three-inch nails or nail into his head during the attack. Over the course of a three-day three days, she beat, stabbed, uh reports she uh say fifty fifty times, strangled, dismembered, and convicted. Oh, she was convicted for life in prison. Just on the one dude? On the one dude.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, you believed it?
SPEAKER_01:That's crazy. I'm sorry, guys. No sorry. I'm sorry. For three days she beat him. Stabbed him. Fifty times she stabbed him. Strangled and dismembered him. Was later convicted and given life in prison. You see, bro? If you want, I can pull up an original news coverage.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I didn't want to know if she knew him.
SPEAKER_01:You know, because then it's like what did she say? I don't know what that is, but that is scary shit, man, because you never know who you're bumping into. So you gotta be careful. That's why I'm just let your instincts, if you feel funny about something, don't ignore that feeling and go with it and get the fuck out of there. Yeah, bro. And hopefully you have intuition on it. Right. Yeah, yeah, for real. I think you do, though. I think something, you know why? Because we second guess ourselves, right? Right. Fair enough. But at that moment, if God forbid you ever find yourself in that moment, I hope you never do, you don't second guess yourself. You just go with knee-jerk reaction.
SPEAKER_00:As soon as it comes into your head, yep, I'm out. Yeah, gone. I think you just go. And understand me, I think that now, as funny as it may sound, I think we're too old for a serial killer to come after us. Okay, dude. Because I think Why are you touching the money for?
SPEAKER_01:Don't touch the money. You can't do that. You're gonna speak it to yourself, right? No, no, no. Don't put me involved in it.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna look at what it is that that they look for. They're always like younger people or the elderly. Oh, you know.
SPEAKER_01:So now you're gonna start a trend by just throwing that shit out there on the internet. There we go.
SPEAKER_02:Now we're just elderly serial killer attack and see stalking senior citizen albums and shit.
SPEAKER_00:No, that's what I saw on television. That's what they said. I go. Oh, I see. No, no, they said that, you know, I mean, it's too easy for them. It would be too easy. Well, that's what it is. Serial killers, they want a challenge. They want a challenge. So that's when they get the younger people. So that's like the son of Sam and things like that. And what was the other one that he used to um put him in the what is his name too? Uh Bundy. Bundy, right. Bundy. You see what I'm saying? So like it's all those, you know, that they were the youngers. It was the girls. Yeah, stalking women. Exactly. So, you know, it was that.
SPEAKER_02:Actually, what's his name killed a few young older people? The Night Stalker Ramirez. He killed some old people, pictures of Ramirez. Yeah. Like he killed. Okay, right, right. You never watched the documentary on him. That is. I'm telling you, if you want to watch a good serial documentary, he's he's his is wild. And he was getting away with it for so long, they couldn't catch him. And like eventually they did the whole town manhunt, and like he couldn't, like, they people were literally on the lookout for this guy. They had his picture, they figured out who he was, and like he was like on the run. People were like spotting him and shit, and calling the police. He's over here, he's over here. Like, they yeah, it was crazy. It's that's a good one. Yeah, but he was he was out of his mind too. He was he was killed and he went to San Francisco. He killed people in San Francisco, went back to LA, killed people in LA again.
unknown:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Remires.
SPEAKER_00:Uh I'm gonna check that out.
SPEAKER_02:He used to dance around their bodies like and like drew draw like pentagrams, like upside-down pentagrams, like satanic stuff, and he would like listen to ACDC and shit.
SPEAKER_00:It's crazy. Yeah, yeah, you see, bro?
SPEAKER_01:There are those there's those who would do things to this nation where they would trap you, catch you, knock you out, take you, right, lore you in somehow, and then make you a prisoner and torture you. And then tell you I'm gonna pretty much rape you, and then I'm gonna kill you, and then I'm gonna rape you again.
SPEAKER_02:Well, what's that one? Is it BTK by torture kill or something? The the killer? So he does that to people. He ties them up and tortures them and kills them. Yeah. See? That's what I'm telling you, bro. Like, like what was that movie? Hostile, like hostile. That's scary stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Scary stuff. You know, you I tend to think that if you're in touch with Tardy Fell. Sorry, dude. It's all good. Don't worry about it. We'll get it later. My bad.
SPEAKER_02:Watch your don't step on your glasses now. You got it.
SPEAKER_01:It's right under your glasses. Thanks, Cons. Woo! We had an accident here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I should say. All right, we'll we'll clean up a little bit. No problem. It's all good. Shit that happens. Anyway, what were we saying?
SPEAKER_00:You were talking about um talking about cerviciller and uh what some of them do and Well, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So they'll kill them. Or even make them they'll have more than one and have one watch while he's doing that to the first one, telling them they're gonna they're gonna go ahead and do that to you next. Or what about the people that don't kill?
SPEAKER_02:They just they they or they they keep you for like 10 or 15 years and then kill you. Oh, that's like those people have you locked in their basement.
SPEAKER_01:Well, just the fact that they would trap you and prison you like that is pretty fucked up.
SPEAKER_02:A lot of them are usually sex off for offender reasons. But I don't know. But some of them I think do both, or you know, like real twisted shit.
SPEAKER_00:I remember a bunch of years ago, like you're saying, that there was the one that the guy, he was a truck driver, I think it was him and his wife, and they had somebody, they had they would kidnap girls every so often and would keep them in a bin underneath the bed in the because they were over the road truckers. So you know how it has that cab and it has the bedway on the back. And they kept the girls underneath the thing in there. There was another one where another couple had the girl under the bed. Like they had the the bed frame, if you will, was a cage for the girl that they would kidnap and had her chained up in there. Yeah. In the bed. Yeah, dude, I'm telling you, bro.
SPEAKER_02:That shit's way scarier than any.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's the real thing. And that's the point I was trying to make earlier in reference to. It makes the horror movies fun to watch because you're like, oh, this is the same. Because they make it funny, you know, and they have the suspense, there's music. But in real life, there's no fucking music. Yeah, no. This shit's happening, it's you know, and it's terrifying. And I would hate for anybody to fucking ever do that. But when you watch it and you realize, okay, this is not based, but it is a true, you know. Right. And of course they they do their thing to it, but you know, which makes it even worse, I think. They probably add more to it that they should have. Yeah. But that being said, it's still yeah, but it's just the fact that you feel like you automatically realize, okay, this is not this is not fake, this is real. Yeah. Where versus when we watch other four movies. But now that when you look when you hear about Chainsaw Massacre and Silence of the Lands and Psycho, you're like, you're always gonna remember, oh shit, those came because of that movie. From this guy, right? Everybody got it.
SPEAKER_00:Or influenced by whatever happened in this. Yes. It's crazy. I'm telling you, man, you well, I mean, think about it. It can't be that every so I always said, you know, like Twilight Zone, when we look at the old, the black and white Twilight Zones, I always see newer movies that came off of some of those things. Like I said, like the the Annabelle and the Chuckies are an episode of But that's paranormal. We're not talking about that. Well, I'm just saying, like, just all of those ideas. You know, it's like it's like my point was. Oh, right. Oh, I see what you're saying. But then, like I said, and they were like, ooh, like you said, it was paranormal. Like, oh shit. The movies are based on those two, the couple. Right, yeah. But it's it's you still don't take it as, I guess I don't want to say as it doesn't have the same impact as watching those serial killer movies. No, no, no, no. You know what you get me? Like it's still like you guys. You would say I take that any day over the yeah, twice on fucking Sunday. Because you know what I'm saying, bro? You'd be like, Am I really gonna run into the side? I'm gonna go with this side. I'm all right. Like, you know, how am I really gonna see that crazy killer doll? You know what I'm saying? Like, am I gonna really have to like am I gonna go to a yard sale and buy that, you know, crazy looking doll and have him in my attic or whatever? You know, or is it?
SPEAKER_02:Pennywise in the sewer.
SPEAKER_00:But then, you know, you turn around and you're at this your grocery store and you're looking at a guy, and the guy just happens to look at you just a little bit, like he just stared at you just a little bit. But sometimes most of the times these people don't even know what's happening. Right. But I'm just talking about how the like our psyche, like it's just that one, like, why is he looking at me? Don't look at me, why is you look at me? You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I don't think most people know if those perspective because I think the people who do that kind of crime are so sophisticated in their the way they they the the way they they have certain things, they do it a certain way. You know, whether it's thought out or just part of their personality or whatever, you know, that's how they're driven. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Oh jeez. What's his name? The one that dressed like the clown.
SPEAKER_01:Uh John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy. John Wayne Gacy. That guy was wow.
SPEAKER_02:You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:Like stuff like that. Beyond belief because what he did to these people, most of them male, I think. Most of them. Yeah, people that worked for him. It wasn't good.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what I'm saying. This is not good. Just the idea. Scary. I mean, like I said, so right now it was Halloween. People are running around and they're wearing all the costumes and whatnot. Right, right. You know, we had that haunted walk. So now it's like, dude, like that could have been anybody. Snatch somebody up and pull them into the woods. Right. You know what I'm saying? At all the little haunted walks or whatever. You never just gave somebody a fucking idea. Sorry. You know, it's just no. You know what I mean? It's just it's little things like that. Remember a handful of years ago, bro, that everybody was dressing up as clowns and they were just like coming out like from behind a doorway, whatever. Oh, yeah. And it was scaring the shadow people and whatnot.
SPEAKER_02:They were doing those videos where the clown would like smash someone's head.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like it was a watermelon and uh yeah, and that kind of stuff. So I mean, you know, think about it. That that's those are things that were based on something real. You know what I'm saying? That that's what makes it even scarier.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And I guess I'm not saying the paranormal stuff isn't isn't real. That's not what I'm saying at all.
SPEAKER_01:It's just you I guess you should be thankful for the fact that the person doesn't necessarily need to reference anything, but be able to come out of out of his own mind. Yeah. You're like, okay. Yeah. I don't want to No, I don't want to be around this motherfucker. Uh-huh. No. Yeah. Because if he's doing it on his own, then you worry. But if he's borrowing it and he's making his own story, like the guy with the chainsaw massacre, you'll find out in the movie how he goes about what he does and why he makes the movie. Okay. So there's more behind him than the reason why he does it. So when he does it, he has it in his mind and he has a certain picture the way and now you understand why the movie was made the way it was. It'll be pretty cool when you guys watch it. It's gonna be a tongue. There's so much referenced through the movie and how it steps through his life, you know. And how many people he actually took out. Right. You're like, wow. Yeah. Wow.
SPEAKER_00:I think that's the manuscript. Because I mean, you know, you why I've watched, you know, a lot of the police shows and you hear the the you know, like the just what they profile a lot of these killers are, you know, to be. And, you know, it always starts off with something small. You know, I'm like, you know, whether it's like peeping tom stuff, or if it's uh uh uh you know that they killed the bird by accident and then they just got hooked and they're killing another animal or something like that. Right.
SPEAKER_02:And usually it's kids, like they like what's his name used to do that. He wasn't a serial killer, but he was a mass murderer. He but he was a hit. No, Iceman. Oh, Iceman.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, right. Yeah, yeah. That guy always when they did the interviews with him, watch those those interviews.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, so now let's go back a second. Nothing.
SPEAKER_01:Piss me off, I kill you. Yeah. But what's the difference? For him, it's it's no big deal.
SPEAKER_00:I you know, it's no sweat off my ass. But what's the mass murderer and serial killer? What would be the difference?
SPEAKER_01:No, well I think No, no, no. No, I th I well excuse me, I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm saying I was watching this the other night and they were saying, because they talk about this in the movie, where they like the person who's in jail says, Oh, now it's serial killer. So it seems, to at least the way the way the movie played it, or the series I should say, is that they came up with it later on. So it was one thing, then it was another thing, and then it just progressed during the generations, then it was called something different.
SPEAKER_02:So like the difference between a mass murder and someone that just kills a lot of people. Right, right. But a serial killer does the same thing. A serial killer has like they a type. Okay. Like they they d or they or they have a specific way they kill the person the same type or a specific victim that's a kid. They have like a serial, like it's a vi like like a like a like they have like a specific. And there's a lot of them. That's where like a mass murderer is like someone who like at that concert that with that guy that was in Vegas that was killing everybody. He's a mass murderer.
SPEAKER_00:Well you said the guy Iceman is is a mass murderer. Well, he was a hitman. So he was a hitman. Got it. Got it. It was work.
SPEAKER_01:It was the guy. He was the perfect guy of work. Yeah. Because the guy he was a psychopath. To him, it didn't face him.
SPEAKER_02:No emotion at all. That's psych that's psychopathy. That's that's psycho. That's what a psychoal real side is.
SPEAKER_01:And that's when I say I'm thankful for whatever little bit I have.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, but psychopath killer. Not all psychopaths are bad people. Some psychopaths go into things that high-risk jobs because they're they don't have fear. Right. Like like like someone who's not like a bad person, but as a psychopath might be like a test pilot, you know, because it's a dangerous job and they just don't have fear because they can just continue on as if nothing ever happened. Right. Yeah. And they get a lot of snow weight on their mind.
SPEAKER_01:They have other things, but they do have certain things. It's just a matter of finding what it is that sets them off. So then you can, you know, then yeah when that's a good thing. But you know what's great though is that at least they're smart. And so it is true that they actually silence other lambs. You'll find this out in the movie. I mean the series, that they actually do go talk to certain individuals to find out information or how they can help help them find that person that they look for who's actually out there doing some just randomly killing whoever we need to find out. Right. You know? And that's what's really cool about it because when they go and talk to the first one in the movie, because it's not him first, they go to him second, believe it or not. So but it's so funny. When you watch it, you guys are gonna die left. This guy had didn't even care, you know, he just talked about himself and everything where a game was uh informational, he would tell you exactly what he did, why he did how, you know. But it was off the hook bananas. You know what I mean? So and his temperament. Now of course he was the actor in the mo in the series, I keep saying movie. In the series, he uh said, I believe he came up with the idea of the voice, because I don't believe that was actually based on his voice. I think he came up with a different one. That would be creepy. I could be wrong. But that's what that's what I heard and actually read. But you know, if it's wrong, my mistake. But but that's interesting too, because it sounds like what an actor would do. Right. You know, they would come up with because listen, you gotta make the movie good. You want to make it interesting, you know. Yeah, make it your own. Right. And you want people to go, what the fuck's that about? Yeah, right, yeah. Like, you know what, take a take right, take a you're taking it back. Yeah, right. You're taking it back like what the Yeah, why the hell are you talking like that?
SPEAKER_00:And it is you gotta see it, because I'm telling you, you see that shit.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, when you guys progress into the series, just all I would ask you to do for me is you don't have to go into detail. Just whatever one word that or two that describes what is uh the night that you watched or two that you watched, whatever it is, and just say, just give it to me and I'll know exactly what you mean. Hello, don't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait until you get wait. It's like how can it get even worse? And it does. And you're like, what in God's name? Yeah, yeah. If there's even one. You know, and then you think about what happens to those people who do that kind of crime, that kind of life. You know, we talk about life after death, right? Not to bring that in, but think about it. So if we think about life after death, they say people who usually who will commit suicide, things of that nature, either they will have most of the time, I think they have a negative experience, but then a positive. Right. Like they go through a dark and then whatever it is. And then somehow a light appears and you know So it's not not all of them, but yeah, some go back even while they were still in the dark were broken.
SPEAKER_02:Dark time damnation. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But their dark is always different. Because they say most people whatever they were brought up on is from what they can tell, they're all having the same experience but in their own way, referencing whatever it was that they grew up with. So you say Roman Catholic. Right. Well, you guys Roman Catholic, both of you? Uh Catholic, whatever. Catholic, I I grew up. I guess I'm not now. I was brought up you know, Jewish, not ultra religious at all, you know, conservative. You know, we did the normal stuff, so yeah. But it's crazy, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Oh yeah, just a little bit. Yeah. I'm just saying. Listen, all that shit is scary. I mean, like we said before, you know, you you I I almost feel like for back then because we're talking, you know, mostly about Ed Gaines, you know, in the 1940s, that you know, a lot of us they would they will I'm I'm gonna say he was almost like fresh out of out of uh cowboy stuff. You know what I mean? Well he was wild west. Where was he again? What was the state? Oh, Minnesota?
SPEAKER_01:Minnesota. And he had that voice of a he made he made it like a Minnesota voice, but it was very subtle and no motion at all. Right. And it and it that was the creepy part. And even when he would look at you, yeah, the way he had his hair combed, the whole fucking thing was disturbing.
SPEAKER_00:But that's what I'm saying. Right?
SPEAKER_01:You're like, wow, this is good. Whoever did this movie, and even if they edit their own little flare just to get it to be recorded, it's awesome because it made you feel uneasy, bad.
SPEAKER_00:But that's what they looked like. I mean, even if you look like the Halloween costumes from back in the 30s and 40s, then they were fucking creepy looking, bro. Like a lot of that shit was scarier than what we see now as far as costumes are concerned. Like it was just like the the burlap sack, you know what I'm saying, with the eyes cut out a little bit or something like that, you know, just uh or or just having just that paint that plain, like super white face and and the pictures, the eyes are all dark and sunken looking and stuff. And these are the kids, you know, they were wearing those costumes. I think I think just the things that we see, what they found normal was was just so it was okay for them. You know what I'm saying? So like Ed Gaines, you know, like you said, he had his hair combed a certain way. They all wore the city. Well, he was ridiculous about certain things until his mother died, though. Right, until his mom died, but because she was the ultimate.
SPEAKER_01:Well, well, no, but I'm talking about as far as his I don't wanna well let's just say through the series you will find that it will incre wh whatever it is he's doing isn't gonna is gonna increase and it takes over the he's not very neat.
SPEAKER_00:Right, yeah, at all right. I saw that too in that.
SPEAKER_01:So it's gonna be Because now he doesn't have his mom there. But yeah, but his mom is there. He has the dead body in the rocking chair and he talks to her and he and he sees the light go on when he looks at the house.
SPEAKER_00:I know that's what movie is that reference. That cycle. Right. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Right. Yep. Yep. That's what I'm saying. It's just, you know, all that shit.
SPEAKER_02:I don't know, bro.
SPEAKER_00:You gotta see it. Wait till you see the movie, bro.
SPEAKER_01:It's Get, I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:I was saying No, I don't want to interrupt. Just when it references when you say I'm watching for me. Not so Tanya liked the lot, Tanya was like, this movie should be good. She was glad she's finished watching it. For me, same thing, absolutely. But I was able to reference almost everything in the movie when I saw it. I was like, okay, that would be this, that would be that, that would be this, that would be like I knew right away which movie it would go to.
SPEAKER_02:I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta continue watching. I like I said I got caught up with well uh It Welcome to Deary. So maybe we'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah, so next. So that that show is really good. Is it? It's uh it's it's like a because you know the whole it it it it's obviously from the new tour movies, the two newer ones. Right, yeah. But it's like a prequel. That's what I was gonna say. So it takes place in the 60s, and you know, because he comes every how many years? 27 years, is it something like that? So this is the previous time before the 80s or whatever one he came from. So they show him getting like birthed, which is really weird. So like what? I'm gonna tell a little bit. What was he getting? You are, but I want to know what I'm born. So birthed, yeah. So like listening. B-I-R-T-H-E-L-C-I-C-I-D-J.
SPEAKER_01:So getting there so like how old is he? Oh, when he was actually a baby.
SPEAKER_02:No, because he comes every 27 years. So this is him coming. This is spawning. Got you, gotcha. Uh so like so like there's like a kid and he's like, you know, he's like a troubled kid. He's in the movie theater and he gets kicked out of the movie theater, he's hiding, and then like he's like hitchhiking, and this family comes and picks him up, and they're all like your typical like 19 late 50s, 60s, like the the dad has the glasses with the horn rim, like hi, and it's got the kid in the backyard. And like they just seem like station wagon, yeah, station wagon. They seem like this nice family, but things start getting weird, and like the the kid's always spelling everything, right? And the girl, she like takes like liver, puts her hands in liver, puts it like puts it in the kids, everything's starting to get weird. And like the dad's like, Oh, can you spell kidnap K-I-D? And like the kid and they're like something shit's happening, and the kid tries to take the steering wheel and he bumps the mom and she's pregnant. She goes, Oh, someone looks like he's wanting out too. Oh, you t. Oh, you. And they're all chanting, oh, you t oh, and the the woman she just gives birth, and it's this fucking baby head with bat wings, and it's being spoiled. Wow, yeah, it's Pennyworth. Pennywise, yeah. Pennywise, I'm sorry. Pennyworth. Pennywise.
SPEAKER_00:That's that Pennyworth. That's uh that's uh what's the name? The Alfred Butler, Alfred, Alfred Pennyworth.
SPEAKER_02:No, yeah, yeah, it's real creepy. And and the and the the Hollow, the scenes, like so. Last night was. Yeah, because every 27 years or whatever, he he he gets spawned in Deary or whatever. So this time is in the 60s or whatever, but he uh there's a scene. He's he's like, because you know, Pennywise, I he's kind of like Freddie Krueger. He does the same shit, but not through dreams. Like, and like there's a girl, she like lost her mom, like died giving birth to her or whatever, and all of a sudden she sees her mother, and like there's like an umbilical cord attached to her, and the umbilical cord's trying to pull her in, and it's like a mouth on her stomach as it's like pulling it into the and then all of a sudden, like you see like its eyes, the yellow glowing eyes in the mouth. Wow, it's like some nightmare fuel type. So I it's real they're really good scenes.
SPEAKER_01:So let me ask you, so what do you it'd be interesting to find out where the hell they got that reference from? What movie or what series or whatever did they look at and go, that's just pure imagination. No, Stephen King. That's kind of Stephen Kingish. Yeah, it is. Oh, it is Stephen King. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Steven's out there. No, so he's he's already out there. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But I'm sure he's shining, and then that's like the old time, I think.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:We've talked about it a few episodes. Agreed.
SPEAKER_00:Agreed, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because a lot of those guys now that's the psychological kind of you know, crazy horror because you have M. Night Shyamalan, was it uh Peel is doing it now. He's good at it. His daughter's doing it too. Uh M. Night Shyamalan, I'm sorry. M. Night Shyamalan's daughter's doing the writing the movies too, and she's super young. I think she just I don't even think she's 21 yet. And her shit is crazy. You're like, what? So, yeah, man. But I gotta see that. Yeah, it's gotta see that.
SPEAKER_02:And like I said, that could so that thing comes out and it's like it's still attached to the umbilical cord, the the baby and the you know, the the it baby, and the thing's flying around, and eventually it fucking just bursts out of the glass and then it goes into the sewers. Wow. Okay. But then you see it again, and there and there's a scene when it's but it's now a giant baby head with wings, and it's just eat people in baby head guts. The little kids, he's killing the little kids in the movie theater. It's it's you you gotta see it. Yeah, I was like I said, this is a little spoiler alert, so I spoiler it, everybody. Yeah, whatever. People get nervous. So, but it's good. It's uh even if I spoil it, it's it you still want to see it. Yeah, I'm gonna watch all this week's. But the show itself is the story's a little slow, especially the first episode, because there's they gotta like it. Right, they just get it set up. Even the second episode. The scenes though are they're good. Yeah. All right, cool. Yeah, I'm gonna start watching. Veradass.
SPEAKER_00:That's a cosmetic. Yeah, that's very nice. That's it. Yeah, I'm gonna start I'm gonna finish watching Monster, the Ed Gang story. Yeah, and then I'm gonna start watching.
SPEAKER_01:That one starts off right off the bat. Even after the first episode. Yeah. You're already like watching.
SPEAKER_00:What the, what the? What the what the yeah? What am I watching right now? Dude, yeah, I can't wait. I gotta finish watching those. I'm not gonna be able to watch them tonight.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But I'll start watching them tomorrow. We'll continue watching them all tomorrow. Because I still have so much other stuff I had to get caught up on, you know, just to finish. But man, yeah, this has been a fun Halloween though, man. This is a good October month for for all the horror things that we've you know covered. Because, you know, we talk about it in random, like, you know, just in general, people talk about it in random, but for us to sit and like we did the whole thing, like the whole thing on that shit, bro. Yeah, we yeah, we were in it. Absolutely. We were in it, bro. We were I like it. Yeah, that was fun.
SPEAKER_02:Hope you guys are liking the uh cover photos I've been putting up.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, those things are great, man. I love them. Yeah, it's the funniest.
SPEAKER_02:It's like ghost adventures all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The adventures of uh C C and N J Guy. Yeah, bro. The adventures. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Because we got one more, right? We're doing one J Guy for Halloween stuff. Uh huh. We have one more episode to do of Halloween stuff.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, we're doing the day and we're done.
SPEAKER_02:But like we're just gonna be.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, all right, cool beans. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no. Yeah, this is this was fun.
SPEAKER_00:This was fun.
SPEAKER_01:It's on actual the day of the death.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. You ever see that? No. Yeah. I didn't even know that's a movie. Yeah, Saturday the 14th is a movie. I did not know that. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a funny horror flick. You know, well, it's like a spoof, but it's a spoof. Yeah, yeah. Cool. But so with that, thank you everybody for listening, watching. Like, follow, subscribe, all that other good stuff. Thank you for being here. Love, peace, and hair grease. Live long and prosper. Stay spooky.
