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From Pennsylvania Crime To Stranger Things And Saying Farewell To A Beloved Pet
A Sunday-brunch start quickly turns intense as we unpack a Pennsylvania case where police found more than 100 human skulls, torsos, and mummified remains in a home and storage unit. We trace the investigation from tips to Instagram follows, then wrestle with motive: is the oddities trade a cover for crime, a magnet for the unwell, or both? The conversation pulls in true‑crime mythmaking, Ed Gein lore, and how the internet’s back alleys make it easier to cross lines that used to feel unthinkable.
From real‑world horror we slide into Hawkins, revisiting the Stranger Things finale with fresh eyes. We celebrate the show’s secret sauce—kids who act like kids, adults who bend but don’t break, and 80s details that feel lived‑in instead of kitschy. Murray’s deadpan heroism, Hopper’s bruised heart, the Wheelers’ quiet backbone, and needle‑drops from Master of Puppets to synth‑soaked pop remind us why this story stuck. Could there be prequels or spin‑offs? Maybe. But sometimes closing the gate is the most satisfying ending of all.
We close with our most personal segment: a heartfelt, at‑home goodbye to a beloved dog, and a candid look at euthanasia and assisted dying. We talk signs of late‑stage decline, how in‑home services protect comfort and pack closure, and why compassion can be an action, not just a feeling. Then we widen the lens to policy and ethics: hospice, autonomy, dignity, and the case for giving terminal patients a humane choice when suffering overwhelms treatment.
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Live from Crawford Studios, it's CC and NJ Guy. Woohoo! Welcome back. What's everybody doing? How's everything going? Examplente this weekend, bro. How's the weekend going? So far, so good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Had a little bit yesterday.
SPEAKER_02:We're uh usually recording Friday night. We're here Sunday. We're doing Sunday brunch. Easy knock the Sunday morning. We're gonna have some bloody berries, mimosas, having some coffee and donuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Coffee and doughnuts. Yeah, I just think.
SPEAKER_02:You know, we're gonna have some weird things like you know, like pesto in our toast or some weird stuff that brunch places.
SPEAKER_01:This guy, yo, we should have you cook on this one day. We have a hot plate over here.
SPEAKER_03:Nice, nice. Oh, you know it'll be fun. A cooking episode. Do you have any uh grape coupon?
SPEAKER_02:We'll have to move the studio into the kitchen or something. We gotta do that. Yeah, bro. Anyway, yes, what's going on for our topics today? So, what we're doing today is we got we it's not one topic. We got three topics we're covering, right? So, first we're going locally in Pennsylvania. There's a story that developed at the end of last year into this year about a grave robber. But this grave robber wasn't just robbing for goods, he was robbing for some loving. Yeah, man. For selling money. Yeah, selling some money. Yeah, so uh in season. So, yeah, we'll talk about that. It's a little bizarre story. So you can kind of guess where that's gonna be going. Yeah. And uh, you know, we we mentioned in our previous episode, we kind of mentioned Stranger Things. Uh, it's a show we love. You know, we love to talk about pop culture, we love to talk about TV, sci-fi, horror. So this is right up our alley, and we're just gonna recap the series, you know, our favorite things, you know, you know, like maybe some fam reactions, stuff like that. And then we are gonna get change gears a little bit. We're gonna get into a little more serious topic, which is euthanasia, pet loss, stuff like that. So we're gonna talk about that. Anyway, so let's dive into this wild story about the grave robber. Um has the uh article right here now. He's gonna give you a little recap for those who don't know what's happening, but uh you will find out. Yeah, for those who didn't hear about this. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Would you get that from, Lou? Or was the uh it's Channel 2. It was CBS. CBS. CBS.
SPEAKER_00:CBS CBS News according to CBS FM. Okay.
SPEAKER_03:So the local man arrested for allegedly stealing human remains from Philadelphia Area Cemetery and storing them in his Afroda home. So he's from Afrata. Afrata home. Also in Philly? It must be, yeah. Okay. Selling some of the remains according to search warrants. Uh Jonathan Gerlik, 34, now behind bars, facing more than 500 charges if the detectives discovered the remains, including more than 100 skulls, inside the home of the 100 block of Washington Avenue in F. Afrata, Pennsylvania, on Wednesday. Jesus. Obtained search warrants, search Friday reveal more about how authorities were able to identify Gerlic as a suspect along with what was found inside his home and a storage facility. Dude, he ran out of room, bro. Yo, seriously. During searches earlier this week, what he was doing with the stolen remains. Detectives have already been investigating supports of burglary uh reports of burglaries. Burglary, I'm not gonna even try again. From Pennsylvania Cemeteries when on December 23rd, 2025, a tip was submitted in the Lancaster City Police Department. Crime suggesting detectives look into Gerlich as a suspect in connection to the mausoleum uh robbery in Luzerne County. Tips has told police they uh know someone who recently had been in his house and found a partially decomposed corpse and hanging in his basement.
SPEAKER_01:Hanging in the basement. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:That's bro. You see what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_01:And it's also understood that I think he was also trying to sell some of this. Yeah, as you said in the beginning, yeah. So he's trying to so like you said, Tom, that's probably how he got busted.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, that's how he got caught trying to sell them and somebody, you know, went to the house. Because you but you're not letting nobody in your house if you're doing that kind of crazy shit, you know?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but then that shows how fucking crazy you are. Because if you think what you're doing is normal and you're just letting people walk into your house nonchalant and take him in the basement where you have corpses hanging, you're feeling like, hey, it was kind of like with the Ed Gaines story. He felt like he did nothing wrong. Right. So you know what? Yeah, this was normal. Right.
SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna say that this guy is probably doing this for a very long time. I would imagine very long time because he got so comfortable to the point where, like, oh yeah, come down a basement, check out I got some bodies down here.
SPEAKER_01:He's so but see, I don't know, man, because again, so this is what like you know, uh before we started the show, like we said, we were talking about you know, just like how long was he really doing it? Because not for nothing, you go to almost any given cemetery, you know, uh a newer cemetery, right, and you're you're looking at what a hundred you still got a hundred bodies there, you know, however old they would be or whatever would be another story, but you know, because of depending depending on what it was he was doing with the bodies, you know what I'm saying, setting the bones or whatever, you know, newly deceased digging up the bodies to do dirty things to, because we talk about he said he said everything necrophilia. Well check this out.
SPEAKER_03:This was so check this out real quick. The search warrant also reveals Gerlich had allegedly stolen items like headlamps, gloves, a metal cutting wheel, along with other items detectives said were commonly used in burglaries from local hardware stores. The tips are direct detective Gerlich's Instagram account, which follows other accounts and taxidermy, skeleton collecting, and sales. And sales. And the sale of other oddities. The tips set also claimed Gerlich had disappeared for a few days in November and said he had been in Chicago selling human skulls. Well, there it is. So then he was So then wait, maybe he wasn't.
SPEAKER_01:But then so he wasn't sexing them. He was just cutting them up to sell oddities. But why were they why were they?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm sure more's gonna come out.
SPEAKER_01:We don't know that for sure. Oh man.
SPEAKER_03:I thought I heard that in the news that he was uh silent, I thought I heard the same thing as well. Okay, I didn't hear pay attention to the body. But you are right, until we actually officially hear it and we have everything out. Yeah, it's speculative, right? Right. Just the fact that he didn't even have to do that. You know what I'm saying? Yes, you know, uh sick people could say bonus. Yeah, bonus bonus, bonus. In a sick way. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well let's say he had a bonus to her right now. He was on the Hey baby, how you doing?
SPEAKER_02:But like the thing is, is like, you know, the the like what what would drive someone to do that? Like what what is it? Like like, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:Like, I don't understand. Well, but again, so let's just say for for this conversation that he it was sub like it was a thing that he did. I don't want to say subconscious, but you know, he never had the real oomph to do it, like he was like nervous and whatnot. Then, like we said, and I'm not blaming the show for it or any other show for it, but now he sees that show, the Ed Gain story, monster, the Ed Gang story, right?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now he's like, What? Because on the show, they showed because he was in what was it, Ed Gang? Was it the 1930s, something like that? So that then now you're looking at all the the serial killers that came after him, that they all were like, Ed Gain, he's the man, like because of him and the stories of this or whatever. So that then they did it. So now every serial killer after that has now used every serial killer before them. You know what I mean? As like the example. And, you know, we all have sat and you know, we sit thinking about something that somebody else did that we want to do. You know, not saying that we're all sitting here thinking about how to bury a body or whatever, but what it is that we're gonna do not to get caught or to just make it run smooth or to make sure that, you know, the machine doesn't stop working, whatever it is because of stuff that we've done in the past. So then if he watched this show, because he had, you know, he was a little bit off, then now he's like, yo, I can do it, and I'm gonna do it like this and not get caught because I'm not gonna do what they did before me.
SPEAKER_03:But he he already blew that out of the water when he was going to places and selling them and then selling them online. So right, that's where it got bored.
SPEAKER_01:That's what I'm saying. But him, he because it's oddities. You know, remember back in the day in Coney Island, you know, or or Ripley's believe it or not, yeah, you would see, you know, these oddities. This is the hand.
SPEAKER_03:But they weren't stealing from fucking waves, bro. They were getting them from museums and other places where they could use it.
SPEAKER_01:But this guy was probably saying, I need that money, I don't mind digging up a body and making it look like a mummy, and I'm just gonna do it this way instead of going to the, you know, robbing shit at the museum. You feel me?
SPEAKER_03:But still, and and the whole idea of the fact too is like probably like a gain, his mind, he's thinking, this is a normal thing because to him, it's there's nothing what he's doing, because the way they did portrayed it in the story of Gaines, it was kind of like he well, even when the cops showed up at his house and shit happened, obviously it was on a movie and they had it dramatize, I'm sure. But like, what's the problem?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're talking about it. I didn't do anything wrong, I didn't hurt anybody. You know, the bodies were already in the grave.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, all I did was it's just a sub a hobby.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's a hobby. Yeah, meanwhile, he was drinking out of the fucking skull. You know what I mean? Right. He was eating his cereal. Yeah, his fucking cereal.
SPEAKER_02:There was cereal out of that guy. You said you didn't see it, right?
SPEAKER_01:No, no, no.
SPEAKER_02:Bro, so you're oh, because you're talking about Ed Gate, you're not gonna get it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, we're talking about Ed Gate, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:There's a lot of similarities to this because I'm sure he saw that. That's what I'm saying. I'm sure he saw that. Yeah, and he was a fan of it. And he said he's been on several different sites selling stuff and groups that are into this kind of thing. Yeah. Right? And also, hold on a second. I'm sure there's big money in human remains. There are, bro. This is what they found. Check out. Here's what they found. Over a hundred human skulls, numerous human long bones, mummified human feet and hands. Yep. Two decomposing human torsos, right? Other sort of skeleton items on Wednesday detected. So garlic Ripoli told them that garlic had storage locker, a chaos storage local. Oh my god. So he was storing them. So he obviously he didn't have room in his house, so he's uh putting them somewhere else. There's a problem. Yeah, yeah, when you start Oh yeah. Well, I say, listen, if you're starting to run out of room at your house when you're stealing human remains, like this idea.
SPEAKER_02:What's he doing as like like a collector though? Like, oh, this is money. I'm banking this shit. I'm just gonna do it. Yeah, but why not? But it's fucking morbid altogether like that. Oh, yeah, definitely, all fucking. But there is there is people who actually I remember watching one of those shows that like of odd things that people do. And there was a guy who would like he would buy them online legally, but you could buy like, you know, like a skull, like a real human skull that was like found. Or I don't know how they get them. They're probably they're probably cadaver. But if a gasage probably the legal way they get probably like a medical. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:People donate their bodies to science all the time. Yeah, right. You can't you can't just buy a body, though.
SPEAKER_02:No, you can't, I'm sure you can't just buy the body, but you know, you might be able to get it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you can buy one for you sell the personal sellers and just get that shit. Fucking insane, bro. Insane, my God. But you're right, you know, he could, however way that he that somebody else would be able to get it, you know what I mean? You can make a fucking lamp out of the bone, you know, out of the hand, out of a you know what I mean? That's how head gains was.
SPEAKER_03:He was reading those crazy books. Right. That girl was bringing them, his girlfriend, whatever you want to call it. She was just as demented as he was. She was getting fucking turned on by it. Yeah, I know. But this he was all he was all about what's her name in Germany, who was making lampshades and stuff like that. Oh, yeah, right, out of people's skin and whatnot. So he was doing it in his house. He had it on his chairs, he was doing it like, you know, and he was leaving the nipples on. Yes, yes. That was the trademark. What I want to see is happening, because now that this the story is new, it's fresh, and more and more information is going to be coming out. Right. I like to see where when they get everything, what's behind his psychological profile. Right. That's what's going on. Maybe we'll do we'll come back to this again and hit it again. And and we'll we'll go down that road and see, hey, let's recap what's going on.
SPEAKER_02:Hey, I'm down to revisit stuff anytime. Absolutely. You know what though? I'm thinking though, if if so if if that whole like necrophilia thing ends up not being true and he's doing it purely for money, now he might not be a sick person. He might just be highly immoral person. You know what I mean? He might be like, yeah, I don't care I'm digging up bodies, this is money. Hell yeah, you know what I mean? So it could go either way. It could be psychologically or it just like just someone who's just a whatever, I'm gonna make money off of this shit. Yeah, yeah. Money is found an easy way to make money.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:A little bit of sickness, you know, I don't have to dig it up, but they have to.
SPEAKER_03:Just push back a little bit, only say because even if you you're sick enough to just to think, hey, you know, I can rob grades and make money. Who does that?
SPEAKER_01:That's but again, you know what I'm saying, bro? But what did he see?
SPEAKER_03:That that's not normal to begin with. You follow him saying just the fact that you're already at that level where you're like, hey, who's gonna care? They're dead already.
SPEAKER_01:It's not like they're gonna mess with it. See, now we're gonna go back to, you know, a couple of episodes back when we said different cultures believe and are okay with certain things. So that then if it, you know, I'm not saying it was his family, but it was like, you know, it's whatever, you know, we're gonna, like I said, make a lamp out of that. Yeah, we're gonna have to we'll dig into this a little bit more.
SPEAKER_03:Because you know more information is gonna come out.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_02:So here's a question. Uh-huh. If you could write in the comments, anybody listen watching this video, tell me if you think that if someone's doing this just for money, are they immoral and sick or yeah, just or just one or the other? Are they or are they just demoral and they just demented? Yeah. So let's I want to I want I'm curious. I'm curious what people think. I want to know how people think you gotta believe what Lou says now.
SPEAKER_01:He's like, or they just demented. Like he's over, bro. It's it's gone. It's over. There's no line for you. There's no line.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, no, I feel you, I hear you. But no, but I get it, but you're right, because a lot everybody thinks differently. Uh and I'm curious to see what other people say. So please do go to the comments on YouTube and you'll see it, and we want to know for sure.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because that's freaking funny as hell, bro. Well, it's not funny that he was doing it. It's just funny, like, you know, how it's not funny how.
SPEAKER_03:Right. It's gonna be curious to see what other people think. Exactly. Everybody has a different way of looking at things. Yeah. So I uh I'm curious to see what happens.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, because I would I I I would love to hear what his psyche is. I'm not gonna lie.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, yeah, no, me too.
SPEAKER_01:I would love to do that. I want to know what's going on there.
SPEAKER_03:Because this looks like another TV movie on Netflix. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, it might be just a half-hour show because, you know. Well, they could break it down into episodes, yeah. Yeah. That's that crazy shit, bro. Like, hello 2026. Hey.
SPEAKER_02:You know what though? I will say this, not to digress too far, but I think if the year starts out crazy, then maybe the rest of the year will be good. Get the craziness out. Yeah, get it away. If there's a little bit of chaos, maybe there's just uh it's like a it's there's a they give you a certain amount of chaos points a year. So if you get the chaos points out in the beginning of the year, then the end of the year is gonna be good. But if the year starts out good or or non-eventful, you might get the chaos points are getting used later in the day.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, definitely a roller coaster.
SPEAKER_01:It's gonna be a roller coaster. Yeah, you might be right though, Tom. I'm with you about it. I'm hearing early. Get it out early, get it done. You have until February uh 28th, and uh after that we want peace and quiet and calm for the most part for the rest of the year.
SPEAKER_03:I think that would be nice most of the time, but yeah, hell yeah, we'll see what happens. It's crazy. That is great. But you know, just the fact that you eventually somebody's gonna catch you. You know what I mean? I mean, because he was getting brazen to the point where he was actually going and selling this shit and then doing it online, and then he's on these groups. So they said his whole internet account, uh all his uh online stuff was was flooded with all that stuff. Yeah. Pretty much. I mean, he was just uh groups and whatever he was following and selling them, and you know, like, and I'm thinking, what how the fuck could you even sell these things online? I mean, that's the thing I'm curious about because wouldn't that be flagged? You know how like you can't do certain things on social media, you can't say certain words, right? Or mention certain things, you have to say it in a way where it's not gonna get you kicked off, right? Social media. Wouldn't it be the same thing for the groups that you're doing it on and everything like that, where a red flag comes up and they'll say, Hey, by the way, somebody said so and so because usually the groups that say, Oh, you can't say this, you can't say that, or you'll get kicked out.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna look at this two ways, okay? So one, you're looking at it, and you know what I'm saying, that you have where you would use the code words, you know what I'm saying? So then you're not gonna say, you know, official human skull. You know what I'm saying? Right, right. Just human skull replica is what you would really say. Oh, you know what I'm saying? Cut it like that. You know what I mean? Or you'd be on the dark web.
unknown:Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Because on the dark web is like, you know, there you could put like pretty much whatever, and now it's a matter of, you know, the proper authorities to turn around and flag, you know, and catch those things that pop up because on the dark web, there is you can't they don't they can't track like that. Right. You know what I mean? So they're they're just looking and then tapping into your, you know, into whatever it was that you were tagged, you know, tagged in or wherever they saw those words come up and get in. Because there's all type of everything going on in the dark web. You know what I mean? So it it's just one of those things. Him getting caught that way.
SPEAKER_03:Well, somebody saw him and then they found the stuff in the house, too. Yeah. And then it was reported already because there were burgers, you know. So they so it was just a little bit at a time, they chipped away at it, and they found this guy and then and they said he admitted to everything. Yeah. Like he didn't like, you know, yeah, he didn't. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:He wasn't like, no, that wasn't what he's yeah, it wasn't what you talking about. No. It was my roommate. It was my roommate, he did it. Yeah. My roommate did it. I I have nothing to do with it. Yeah. Mom, was this you, Mom? You found what in my house? Yeah. What?
SPEAKER_03:Well, I was just there five minutes ago.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, exactly. Exactly, bro. Freaking hilarious. He just left.
SPEAKER_03:I was going to get some milk. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I left to go get left to go get some milk. I came back and shit was all over here. I thought it was fake. Yeah. My friend Billy did it. Tom, you were off, Tom. Is the timer going on there? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Okay. All right, all right. Just double checking, sorry. Oh, my screen.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So that's right. Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_02:Back to reality.
SPEAKER_00:Yes. Back to reality MM. Yeah, I was thinking back to life. Ah, so to so. Yeah. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:So what else have we got going on then?
SPEAKER_02:So, you know, from uh real life horror to fictional horror, there are stranger things happening than this uh event. Strange things is the segue. We're gonna talk about stranger things. Yes. So, yeah, so the show had just uh finished. And, you know, we're we're all fans of horror and you know, sci-fi. So this kind of lands right in our, you know, our favorite stuff. Yeah, we love to talk about it. Geek moment. The show finished, and I think overall, it was a great show. Uh the only downside to the show, I think, is because it takes so long to make, is the the seasons were so far apart. Oh, they were. They were. Yeah, yeah. And they had to purposely do timeline jumps because the kids kept getting older. Yeah, right. They started out as kids, right? They finished graduating high school. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah, preteens and fair and had and a couple of them had already graduated. Yeah, you're right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:So So what is everybody's overall thoughts on the uh ending anyway? So I and by the way, spoiler alerts, if you're haven't watched it yet, uh I had like ten, fifteen minutes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Or you know, there'll be chapter mark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine. But so for me, I binged it so I didn't have to have I didn't have the gaps. Gotcha. You know what I mean? So I I just it w for me, it was just a matter of after Thanksgiving to then, you know, wait for the Christmas episodes and then for the New Year's episodes. Same thing.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right. It was like bum bung bunk.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I I I dug the ending. But now there's so many things that are popping up on social media, you know, with what people believe how the ending should be, that there's gonna be, you know, sequel, prequel kind of stuff and you know, independent stories and whatnot. Right. Or they could branch off in different directions. Right, stuff like that.
SPEAKER_03:I said the same thing at the young one, I wasn't.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, see, I for me I don't think so. I think it was a good ending. They tightened everything up. I I believe that they did.
SPEAKER_03:Except for when they talked about what's her name? Al. Right. Supposedly getting going through that trapdoor, getting out of there, and then leaving and just disappearing and living somewhere else on the planet. Right. Well, that's what she wanted to do.
SPEAKER_02:Right. She was like, was to give her the uh illusion.
SPEAKER_01:Right, because she didn't die while it was sitting there with her. Because she said, go. She said, I'm gonna die. Yeah, she said I'm gonna die, just go kind of shit. And then that's when Elle left. And then you could see, because I'm not gonna when I was watching it, you could see Elle, like her body was like kind of like I was like, yeah, and that the the sound things that were there, those big ass speakers, the sonic things, that she wasn't affected by it.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, you're right. That's right. Yeah, but I thought maybe because she was in the upside down, it didn't drive.
SPEAKER_01:But it did do, it did because when they were in the upside down and they turned them things on, it was messing her up. Right. So that is the dead.
SPEAKER_02:That is the dead giveaway.
SPEAKER_01:That was the one. So I knew she wasn't dead. So I just sat back and I watched while wifey and daughter were like, you know, they were all in it, and I'm sitting back and I was like, yeah, I knew she wasn't dead.
SPEAKER_03:It's like a sound cannon, right? It was because they did the same thing in Hulk. Right.
SPEAKER_01:The slowdown and shoot that out. Yeah. That was the one with the Ed Norton as The Incredible Hope.
SPEAKER_02:I think they could, if they really wanted to, they could do like they could revisit the show like 10 years later. Oh, yeah, yeah. They could actually physically wait ten years later and say, you know what? It's 2035. Let's let's let's let's do a spin-off series that takes place in the 90s or late 90s now. And then fast forward them to like fast forward like 1999, 2000. Where they are now, kind of L finds them and well, because look at what happened.
SPEAKER_01:When L was it the I forgot what season it was, second when I guess guess what it is, that L, that Hopper, he was the only one that knew she was alive. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So for me, maybe she does know.
SPEAKER_02:And they destroyed the upside down, right? But they didn't destroy the the the the dimension that that that Vecna and the spider creature were. Right. They don't know what they're the right side of the bigger.
SPEAKER_01:The wormhole is what they broke.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. So there's no connection.
SPEAKER_01:They didn't destroy, right. So there's no connection. So they didn't destroy the dimension or that area, that space, that part of space, whatever you want to call it. They just cut out the bridge to go from there to here.
SPEAKER_02:They could spin it off and be like, well, Vecna wasn't dead, he was just very wounded.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I don't know.
SPEAKER_02:No, because no Because Joyce cut his head.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was just, you know.
SPEAKER_02:We don't know what how the powers of Beckner's powers were. We don't know what the regenerate years later.
SPEAKER_01:Right. You know, was it really his bod that they did? Or was it spider? Yeah, like you know what I mean? Like, was it really his head they cut off, or she just cut off like what she presumed was his head because of how his body had turned into the channel. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We could. That's yeah. I'm just saying, though, you know, I just feel that it was a great ending. I don't know. There's no need to revisit it. You know, I think it was that, you know, boom. It it finished. It finished. I think it's done. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it was a good series. I like the way they went about it and everything. Yeah. I didn't do what you did. I didn't finish that one. That was one of the series. We did it. We watched it kind of we watched a couple the first couple of seasons because we weren't watching it, and then we were caught up, and then we just kept following it as each season come out came out. Got it. Okay. So yeah, so we did have to wait until it came out for the side. Right. So now you'd like to.
SPEAKER_02:Let's let's talk about who's who let's let's go.
SPEAKER_01:Who's who's your favorite character, Kenny? Well Marty. Marty? What the guy, the the dude that kept coming in, bringing the stuff. Oh the guy with the guy with the glasses. Yeah, Snooky, that guy, yeah. He is Murray, Murray, Murray. Murray. Murray. Murray was my first from when he came in. From the beginning. From the beginning.
SPEAKER_03:What about when he was with the karate when he was on? Because he was learning all that shit because I'm just gonna do it. I really just only did it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, he learned it like off of a book and shit.
SPEAKER_03:No, he was in class with little kids.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I'm saying, like, you know, it was like if he learned it off of a book. Like it was like that kind of like, you know, like you said, he was with little kids, so it was more like but he knew it. He knew how to do it, bro. Freaking great, yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, I loved it when he was like, hey, come here, Schnickums. Come here, get over here and get this done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my favorite. Why? Who was yours?
SPEAKER_02:Me, I'm gonna say, after watching that series, I fucking love the entire Wheeler family. They are all fucking badasses. Every single one of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That is true. We don't really get to see the dad be too much of a badass. No, he punked out a little bit, a lot of his stuff. You know what I mean? In all honesty. Dad was the only one that was. He comes from the mom's side of the stuff. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, because she is. You had Nancy. She was she was stabbing the demogorgan with the broken. Hell yeah, she was, but she went at it too. I thought she was dead. Yeah, me too. See, I like the dad.
SPEAKER_03:And then she was Yeah, yeah. Because he, well, one, he was, he was, he had some traumatic stuff in his life already. And that's why he was so close to Elle and he didn't want to lose her. And that's what I'm saying. Oh, you mean Hopper? No, no, we're talking about.
SPEAKER_02:I'm talking about the Wheeler family. Oh, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's why you said the dad. I was like, for Hopper.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, Hopper was your favorite. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like what he was trying to do, but he, you know, it was just more out of being because he cared for her and you didn't want to lose her. Yep.
SPEAKER_04:Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_02:What are my favorite So the Wheelers, one of the one of my favorite scene is when what's her name? Uh, who's the Redhead? I uh their name's The Redhead. Oh, tip of my tongue, the one that was the one that was the radio station host. Oh, she was in the oh my god, it's on the tip of my tongue. Anyway, I know we would do it. But go ahead. Anyway, when like her and Holly Wheeler are like trying to, you know, Holly Wheeler's investing. Max. Max, yeah. Max and and and and Holly are trying to find, you know, what's what what's going on in this desert. Right. And she's like, she's like, never mind. She goes, you aren't like Mike. You are Mike. Yeah. And yes, I couldn't stop laughing at that scene because you know what? It's true. She is the same way.
SPEAKER_01:She's like, no, we're doing this. I don't care what you say. Yeah, yeah. Mike started to annoy me every once in a while, you know. I mean, maybe because of, and I'm I I bugged out because of how I get hard-headed. I don't want to say disobedient, you know, but just like these kids just kept questioning everything that the parents or the adults were saying.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not saying, you know, but it's like at least give them a yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Right. You know, and then sneak out the thing. Yeah, you know, they're sitting there officially yelling back, no, it can't happen. I'm like, you little motherfucking daddy. It's gonna be so much easier if you just lied. Yeah, shut up and then go sneak out and go and do anything. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yup. That was the only thing that was like the hard way. Yeah. That was the only thing I was like, yo, you little sons of bitches, like I would have just, I would've, I, yeah, you would have been punished, like real talk. Oh, forget it. My parents would have killed me. Yeah, you know? Now, I will say though, it was crazy for me how fast they had to let other people in. You know what I mean? So they didn't let any adults in, but it was the whole gang of kids. The whole fourth grade. Yeah, it was like the whole fourth grade class. And they had to let them in. They had to let them know what was going on because of all the sneaking, because not for nothing, all these little fucking kids were nosy as hell. Well, what do you mean you weren't over there? Like Max. When Max, when they first like hanging out with Max, well, I want to know. Well, I want to know. Mind your damn business. Like, you just got to think about it.
SPEAKER_00:That's how she worked in school anyway. It would have been in.
SPEAKER_01:But she wasn't, but I guess for me that she wasn't even trying to be their friend.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I mean? And she just wanted to know everything. Right. Hold up. I just let you in here. I can't let you know where I buried the bodies. Like, I don't even know you like that. Like, are you a narc? Like, why are you asking so many fucking questions? So that's me. That's it.
SPEAKER_02:There's one thing that I do like to say that I love about the show, and they were super clever in doing it because, again, they really worked hard at trying to make the 80s authentic. And one of the things they did that was very smart was they took actors who were in famous from the 80s and put them in that show. Yes. When Noah Ryder, you got uh what's his name from the Goonies? He died the second or third season. He was he was their boyfriend. Remember what's his name? Oh, yeah. I can't think of his name.
SPEAKER_01:The actor He was the main character in the Goonies with the Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ha chunk, but I can't. Not chunk. Not chunk. Hey, you guys. No, no, no, no. That would be a good one.
SPEAKER_02:Josh Brolin played his older friends.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. I can't think of his name. Jesus Christ. Anyway, his name. Yeah. Anyway. We got him and this season you got Linda Hamilton. Yes, yes. That was, and that would bug me out because when she was like, I didn't realize it was her at first. Wait a second.
SPEAKER_02:As soon as I heard her voice, I was like, wait. That was Linda Hamilton.
SPEAKER_01:Because I didn't recognize her with the hair, you know. Right. Well, you know what was so cool is because her being that military person, that's her terminator role. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And she kept finding them and walking in up on them. And she was no coincidence. Yeah, no, no. They did it on purpose.
SPEAKER_02:On purpose to enter people into the time, into the era. Right. And for me, the thing I love about it is that whole fourth grade class, that's how that that was my age when that was happening in that year. So I'm like, I'm watching the show from that lens. Like, imagine if those kids were my classmates.
SPEAKER_01:You know, that's funny because we're watching it. I don't know about you, but I'm thinking it's already a TV. Yeah, we were already in the we were we were the actual, like we were Lucas and Will and Mike, growing up that looked just like Derek Turnbow without glasses.
SPEAKER_02:He didn't have glasses. That was the only difference. Looked just like him. So it just like that whole error, just like it just puts me into the sh like I put myself into the show in a way that really makes it feel like a different kind of experience. I don't know how to describe because I'm like, oh, I was I I was around. And you know it's funny because I'd never been able to do that with shows before because I feel like a lot of shows didn't take place because I now they are. But when I was younger, it was like Back to the Future takes place in present day. Right. Right. And and when they go back in time, it's the 50s, you know. I wasn't around that. I have no but like with Stranger Things, I watched it and I go, oh, I was I was around her in that time. I myself in it. I feel like I can and I can go, wow, that they're so accurate in that. Like they're like they're they're eating a bag of Doritos and it's an old school with the with the white label. Yes.
SPEAKER_03:Right, but yeah, I mean I thought the I thought the soundtrack was good though, too.
SPEAKER_01:The soundtrack was bananas, bro. I'm sitting there singing all the songs. They had all singing all the time.
SPEAKER_02:Even Master of Puppets from the previous season.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Bro, listen, that show was super nostalgic. I will say with what you're saying now, I'm surprised that the younger kids dug it because it wasn't just like Gen Z, Gen Xers, Retro Zan. Well, look at it that way. Well, I'm just saying that the millennials, you know, the Gen Z, they were like, oh my god, we gotta see this.
SPEAKER_03:Look at it this way. It was like us when Greece and Happy Days came out when we were growing up. Yeah. Right? Okay. Towards the 50s, everything was geared towards that. But we loved that shit. We went to the movie to see Greece. We watched Happy Days All Alive, Lavar and Shirley. Yeah. All of that. And we were attracted to that. So we were in the same age range when all that was happening. Yes. And we walked through that, right? So I didn't think about that. The same thing is happening. That's how I associate it. You know what I mean? Like each generation.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. And I'm, and you know, now that you're saying it out loud, that's when I get into my duh moment. Because, like I said, the youngest child, my daughter, she's like all about thrifting and the retro look and all that other stuff. And I'm like, we wore that shit in the 70s, the bell bottoms, you know what I'm saying? Hip huggers and you know, the the what they call the um tube tops, halter tops, like all you see that the girls are wearing. Right, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it just creeps its way back in somehow, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yep. Because even like uh certain shows, the business, like people dressed up in suits, the guys are wearing sharkskin suits and like the shiny and whatnot, you know, the pinch stripe. Now it's different kind of pinch stripes. Yeah, so I get yeah, I I guess that makes sense that these, you know, the youngins would think find it interesting to dig into the archives of the ancient wear gear outfits of you know the elderly. And for us it was the 50s and the and the 60s. Yeah, because even the sneakers, bro, the sneakers, all those retro looks are coming back, you know. The Adidas, the the the sambas, yep, the Pumas, the Pumas are fucking coming back. Yep, I got we got some four kids. So you know, the Converse, you know, got the Chucks and just, you know, different colors or whatever now, you know, a little bit more comfortable than they used to be, but you know, whatever. The Nikes, Nikes got the Cortezes that they've been coming back, those are like the you know, like the skater-looking sneakers now, and that yo, listen, I'm digging it because it was the shit that you know I wore when I was a kid.
SPEAKER_03:Because we should we grew up then, right? So and now these kids are jumping on the bandwagon kind of like we did.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I want to have a question for you guys so do you think that they captured the whole Gen X fuck around and find out generation with the the the you know the latch key kids? I see I I relate to that too because like I said, I I always explain to people like I am a millennial because I was born in '81, but I'm also in the Xennial generation, which is that micro generation, which is like right in between. So like my first half of my life, my childhood was completely analog, very similar to Gen X, latch key kid. I had the fucking key on my on my, you know, around my neck. They did that in the show. Remember the people had the keys around their neck, you know. Yeah. I I had that, you know, but then you know, my teenage years was more digital because that's when the internet kind of spawned, and that's the difference. But so like I relate to it a lot too. Like, definitely from my childhood, especially the like again, like those kids in the fourth grade or whatever, that's around the time.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Well, see, that's the other thing too, though. We watch it and we're like, yeah, and say that fuck around and find out. Right. These kids don't believe that happened. You know what I'm saying? Like they're still like, no, that was exaggerated, it wasn't really like that. You know, we're giving those Gen Xers on the rules. Schools didn't get involved with bullying. Like you were bullies at school.
SPEAKER_02:The teachers, if they had hair, they go, Oh, stop it. But they wouldn't like put you in the pencil's office unless shit really went down.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, unless there was blood involved. Yeah, yeah. Half the shit. Kids today, parents today did what our parents did with us as far as leaving us home, we were about to cook, we were watching our brothers. Yeah, don't open the door for nobody, the whole thing. You couldn't do that today. Yeah. Parents would get arrested. Yeah. They really I'm and I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's yeah, because you just bring them up. Yeah. Really? Really? Shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_01:Bro, so you know, kind of a sidebar. So you and I are like Yeah, like whatever. But so remember when you used to be able to, so before caller ID, before having the cell phones or whatever, you would turn around and you would get the obscene phone calls. Remember those? Prank calls. Right, the prank calls. Well, no, no. So you turn it around and it's like, hello, and be like, oh, I see you right now. Right, yeah. Now, if you're a kid in your house, you're like, who are you? Where are you? Who's this? Yeah, I can hear you screaming from the door. You're like, ah! You're fucking having a panic attack because you can't see who the fuck called you. You know, so you don't even know if it's your friend.
SPEAKER_03:But you're talking about kids today, though.
SPEAKER_01:Kids today wouldn't be able to survive that. Yo, right, yeah, listen. Oh, yeah. I'm sitting here with your mom. That's what I'm fucking doing right now. You know what I mean? Yeah, you know, smashing her back right now, you sing your sons of bitch. Get the fuck out of here and hang up the phone, kids, and now I'm like, oh my God. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_02:You know what was the thing too that happened before caller ID is you'd have like the people, the stalkers who would call and they'd hear your voice and hang up.
SPEAKER_01:Right, yeah, like that kind of shit. Yeah. You want to make sure you were home. No, you would just be like, hello, click. Yeah, and they could hang out the phone, or they would just sit there and be quiet. They wouldn't say shit. Right. You know? Right. Or doing the fucking thing. That's what I'm saying. Right. You just you know, click, hang it up. Yeah. Yeah. I had a few of those, and I remember one time, the fuck out. I remember one time my mom, we just left. Yeah. My mom calls up and I answered the phone. And I'm like, Mom, there's some guy. He's breathing hard on the phone and he's talking about, he sees us. My mom's like, What? She grabs the phone and she was like, get the fuck off my phone. I yelled at the guy and slams the phone down. And I was like, what was that? And she's like, somebody being an asshole. If anybody calls like that, you just say fuck you and hang up the phone. Quick story.
SPEAKER_03:This is not even a phone story, but it's that timeline. My mother used to go bowling. Right. Right? And she was on a woman's league, right? Right. There was a guy going around in the neighborhood, flashing people. Ha! I remember them too. This guy came into the bowling alley. It happened. And he was, I mean, because they said they was coming into bowling alley and he would run out. Yeah. My mother started to transcribe at it. She pointed at him and started laughing, and the guy fucking ran out. Yeah, right now.
SPEAKER_02:So that's how you, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dude, yeah. Did you even hear about that anymore? No, you didn't even hear about anybody flashing.
SPEAKER_03:That's not the big news then.
SPEAKER_01:No, you're right.
SPEAKER_02:Well, well, fair enough. Remember that was like a especially in the city. That was always a joke. Like you, like how many cartoon strips had like a guy in a scroll roll?
SPEAKER_01:Dude, yeah, you don't even hear about that shit anymore. You don't, I mean, you might hear about a guy or, you know, well, mostly the guys, because dudes are just fucking perverts. Right. But if you hear about them, it really was. Well, no, even like today, like you would hear about them, you know, they're turning around, they're masturbating in the train or, you know, on the bus or whatever, and you know, and like, you know, in front of a chick and whatnot, you know, saying that kind of stuff. Like you hear about that, but you don't hear about the flashers like that anymore. I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:But, you know, we're gonna have to look into that and see if it's the one. That was such a I I think it is.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Sexual harassment is really about that a lot. You're right. That was a weird thing. It was a weird time. It really was. Yeah. When it came to like shit like that, there was a lot of straight.
SPEAKER_01:I wonder then bec I wonder if it was think about it, the boomers, everything for them was like, this is what it's gotta be, this is where we're at, these are the way things have to, this is how life moves, you know, you do these things. So then now when you're looking at the 60s and 70s when people getting a little bit finding themselves in who they really are, you know, guys and girls.
SPEAKER_02:I think the show really captured that essence. Yeah. In in in the just the crazy times. I mean you said the wheelers though, they were fucking.
SPEAKER_01:They did a good job on it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:They did. They did the very cars, the music, like you said, the Gen X. Yeah. Just the whole vibe the way they did it. It was great, you know. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was great. So I think that was a show that like again, this is it it it really captured the 80s well. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:And you never know, there might be other shows that like spin-offs. Spin-offs from it that come out. Or they could be interesting to see.
SPEAKER_02:They could show a spin-off on how they started the whole program. Because they they could do a backtrack story and maybe take place in the 70s, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Or they could make it where these kids they're later in the future they wind up going into a certain area where they're investigating weird phenomenon and helping people out who are going kind of through the things they went through because now they have that experience. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:But they could now remember they were trying to restart the program. They were using the blood and they were trying to restart. Now, those all those pregnant women, what happened, they were on they were in the upside down, so they died with the upside down, right? Right. Would that be a loose end too that like the pregnant women got out? Because here's the thing like they were given Callie's blood. They were given Callie's blood to the pregnant women, right? Yes. But like those women were very much in their ninth trimester. They don't need her blood anymore. You can have a you can have a pre-mature baby at like six months.
SPEAKER_01:Well, so right. Well, so again, but like you said, depending on where, like technically, like you're saying, depending on where.
SPEAKER_02:I'm pretty sure that was in the upside down, so I'm pretty sure they deleted.
SPEAKER_01:But no, because the upside down wasn't destroyed. The upside down mate, I don't I think it wrong. It was the tunnel. Like I said, the the that the tunnel was the upside down. That was right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That's why I remember where they were trying to get over the edge wall coming through that. They thought there was something on the other side of the wall, but no, that was the edge of the street. That's right. That was the edge of reality. That was the edge of the thing.
SPEAKER_03:It could look like glass arm building and everything like that.
SPEAKER_02:So then, yeah, yeah. Yes. But it's the same reference, technically, it's the edge of the edge of the beach.
SPEAKER_01:So that then, yeah, they could if they decided they want to do that. I hope they don't. You know, because I think it would just take away from all that we've already seen, you know, so many times that they've been. They could do a prequel.
SPEAKER_02:They could do a prequel. They could show Henry's story. Because they really well, where did that fucking stone come from? They didn't explain anything. It was just this weird stone that was in the city. He got from that guy in that briefcase. But they don't what the hell is that thing? Where'd that come from? Right.
SPEAKER_01:But then that would be the the way of a Star Wars thing, and that would be the animated series.
SPEAKER_02:I'm down for that. Did you just tell the story? Because like there's a lot missing. Like he got this stone and then he got this power, and then the thing called to him, Come to me, you know, which was the Vecna's voice. And then he sucks to the city. So it really was the voice of that spider, the giant spider thing. Right. So, you know. Yeah, that's crazy. But yes, so go ahead. Next. So, yeah, so you know, from fictional loss to real loss. Yes, yes. You know, we're gonna talk about more serious topics. So this is less humorous, you know. This is gonna be about serious stuff. Um this is about, you know, euthanasia and pet loss. And maybe Lou can talk a little bit if he wants to. Yeah, I know this uh topic that is close.
SPEAKER_03:Well, like you guys know already, this past Friday we had to let our Jeter go because he was suffering from lymphoma and he was it was just getting to the point where we just didn't want him to suffer anymore. And and that's as far as euthanasia was concerned, we had someone come to the house. It was a service, and we did it not only because we wanted it to be comfortable for us, but it was really more so for the other dogs. Right, right. Because it helps them because it's a kind of a shock when you take a dog, then you know you gotta help out, cross to the other side, rainbow bridge, all that stuff. But then when you come back and you don't have them with you anymore, it messes up the animals for quite a while, you know, they till they they feel in their own way they work it out. Right. But like them, they're like like us as far as being able to have some kind of closure. Right. You know what I mean? You know what's going on, and then they they scroll through the motions the same way. And the service that came was fantastic. It was probably I would probably will never do it in a I will never do it in a vet's office ever again. Doing it at home was the best thing.
SPEAKER_02:It's better for the dogs. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, it yeah. It's so much better. I mean, you know, and uh it was it's a good thing. You're at home, you're comfortable, you get to grieve. These people are so professional. This woman who came, she was fantastic. I'm just glad it happened. The reason I think we bring it up the euthanasia thing is because we now know that it's becoming more com common also not only with animals, but we're trying to start to do it more in this country with people with people. I know uh Governor Holkle just did something in reference to physicians being able to have permission to help someone cross. Now, it's a law. I'll look it up in a few minutes and I'll get the exact information. But that's really good. That's a good step forward. Yeah, I think so. Because, you know, when you think about it, right, we think, well, how why is it okay for our animals? But why is it so bad for human beings? Human beings suffer tremendously from disease and things that they get that they're going through life. Unfortunately, this happens. We get older, and if we can get through life with only with minor stuff happened, great, you know, but logically, something is gonna come up where, you know, you might get cancer, you might this might happen. Whatever it is, you're gonna be at a point where your family is gonna say, hey, we just want him to go peacefully. We don't want him to suffer anymore. We know there's no bringing them back. Let's just help them on their journey to get them to where they need to go so they're at peace. And then you go through your grieving process, you know. So that's where I'm at right now. I'm still in the grieving process. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So for me, it's gonna be a little while. And the dogs are too. I can see it when they're when I can see it in Liberty, I can see the patient they're kind of a little off. You can see certain things that they're doing that just don't are not their normal. So you can see them looking and wondering, hey, where is he? Where is he? Even though they were there with the whole thing. Right, right, right. They're still going through the motions. So I think I think it's important for for us to take care of ourselves, and I think death is not a bad thing, right? Think about it. As long as it obviously, you know, there's bad ways to die, don't get me wrong, obviously, I know. But I'm saying it's something that's part of life that we need to be able to be comfortable talking about the same as we talk about everything else. So I mean, how do you guys feel about that when it comes to that kind of stuff?
SPEAKER_02:Do you I mean you you comfortable with that kind of stuff, or is that big on I think if you're if someone is in pain and suffering and they are definitely going to die, euthanasia should be an option. I think instead of hospice. Like Yeah, I mean hospice is about making people comfortable on their last days. But what's if you could just end it earlier and not suffer? If you're in immense pain. Right. You know? It just to me it doesn't make sense to to want to stay alive and be in pain. Especially like, and I'll t I I'm going to real extremes here, but like I'll give the example, and there's nothing they could do for the pain is when people who have radiation poisoning. Right. Like we're talking about the true noble one. If you saw that true noble a few years ago, they're just oh my god, it's just falling apart on a certain level, just like literally just turning into goop. Yeah, right. And they can't even it miss or pain medication, it doesn't work. Just let the guy die.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:You know? Right. Just let him uh you know, let him move on. Like there's no reason to let someone suffer like that. It just makes no sense to me. That and that I think is a perfect example of someone who, you know, accidentally got into radiation and now they're just dying because their radiation is destroy like breaking down their cells and they're just melting away. Like that kind of like wh why would you want to keep someone why make someone suffer?
SPEAKER_03:It's the same with the cancers, too. Yes. Because what r what Jam had late stage cancer, yeah. Right. I told you guys I had that kind of um I was using ChatGPT from beginning to end with everything that was going on with him. And a lot of the stuff that the steps, well, you're gonna see this, he's gonna go through that. Like in one point you'll start once you start to see, like, for instance, he was starting to get uncomfortable where he couldn't get comfortable on anything, whether it was the couch, the bed, the floor, he just kept getting up. And then from the medications and all these the water and just the different things, and then you get to the point you're like, he's suffering. Yeah, right. Let him go. Yeah. Let him go. This is don't be selfish. And it's normal to feel that way because you don't want to lose him. You don't want to say, Hey, exactly, I wanna let you go. That's the hard part. But you're doing the right thing. You know, as much as it hurts, it's part of the process. You know what I mean? And you hope that someone able your family and you you do it, they'll do that for you or whoever else, if they have their own pets and things like that. I think it's a natural thing, I think it's right. And you know, it uh the grieving part is the hardest. I've gone through it a couple of times already with my other dogs. It's never easy. They're all different, you know. But I'm gonna miss them dearly, you know, and it sucked. And I I I want to just share something. So what I did for him, the day that he we let him go. Sorry.
SPEAKER_04:I took him for a walk. His last walk. He couldn't make it.
SPEAKER_03:The last three quarters of the walk all the way around the block. Sorry, guys. So I picked him up, I told him, I got you. I picked him up, he didn't growl, he wasn't uncomfortable, he's just looking around and I would walk him, I walked him the whole way around him. Because you want to make that last part for them. That's what they have in their head, not traumatic, nothing bad, right? For anybody, right? Even your family. You want it to be whatever memories you have, you want to give them that last moment, feeding them the same time as you always do. You don't change nothing, you keep going through the motions. Right. So that I apologize for getting emotional. No sorry but I wanted everything to we he was just not aware of anything, and he was just going through the normal day, like every day, and not to change it, but I and I was there for him. Right. And he needed to go up the stairs, I brought him up. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And you you just try to do all the right things and you hope that someone does the same for you and your your kids do the same for their f for their animals and things like that, you know, and so on. So but it w but it it's uh it's uh it's uh it's a lesson too in life, you know. It no matter how much we think we're good with something, right? And we're gonna do this and we're gonna do that, you're never gonna get past the emotional part when there's a connection with somebody or something that you have. A hundred percent. It's just gonna, it's gonna it's gonna fetch you, and that's okay. And you have to go through those those steps and those and those uh process. You know, it's just what it is, whether it's somebody in your family or an animal, whatever it is, you know what I'm saying? So I mean, I think Euston Asia is something that should be more available, like other countries. I think like this, other I don't know them off the top of my head, but there are other countries on on the globe that do this. So it's not a big one, you know. It's only here, you know, because we're also caught up in our own shit. Right, right. So everything's politicized. Right, exactly. It's just ridiculous, you know, it's a normal thing. But in other places, it's it's okay. If you decide you say, you know what, I'm paying, I don't want to do that, and you can make the decision. You see, you're still bodily able and you're able. And if they give you the okay, you go ahead and do it. Right, right, right. Which is fantastic, I think. Right. Oh, yeah, no, it is. I'm sure it has to there's a process, right? That they like, oh, you don't feel good today, all right. You feel like you want to just, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right, right, right.
SPEAKER_01:No, it's the physical and not the mental.
SPEAKER_02:They're not gonna let you end your life for a mental breakdown or whatever I'm saying. Like you're not you're going to die. Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I feel like if I I didn't you know, I don't have any pets now, but if I if I had a pet that I was it was only last days, you know what I feel like I would do for them? I would I would give you know how like you know when you're eating dinner and they're always begging for whatever food that he was always or my or she was always begging for, I give them that food. I'd make it for that. Cheeseburger and fries the shit out of that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the fondue. Let them happen. Uh yeah. No, it's the last days. It's not gonna harm them. You know, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We took all the raw chicken, cut, cooked it up with whatever we had left over. Yeah. And we cooked it up, and then I had it, and I was putting it on all of their food. Yeah. Because I didn't want it, you know, of course. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Because we think the other dogs are gonna get upset. They don't think like us. Right. Whatever, that's a whole other fucking story. But I gave him majority because I wanted him as much protein as he possibly had. Right. And he was still eating it. That was the one thing I have to say. Yeah, he was He was still eating and wanting to eat. Right. So we were using pumpkin to help him with the medication because he loved pumpkin. He'd just take it. He wasn't even thinking about it, was on the spoon. Boom. Took it. Right. Like, boom.
SPEAKER_02:You know, you can you can let them enjoy a, for once, a piece of chocolate. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Be like, oh, here you can find it. Injective. Yeah, right. No, they'd probably be pissed off. Well, what the hell did the rest of it? You could give me the shit. Give me my shit. Give me that chocolate.
SPEAKER_02:I want to research. You know, you can give them certain things without worrying about them getting sick about it so they can enjoy it, you know, have that last like because that's they look, you know.
SPEAKER_03:And you would do that, you would do that. Like, I I my brother and I kidded around once, we would talk, so Lou, well, something came up, and I think he asked me, it might have been him, but let's just say it was my brother. Would you give dad if even though he didn't smoke for a long time and he was on his deathbed, and let's say he said, you know, I would give I I said I give him not only would I give him a fucking cigarette, it would be a camel's, yeah, and I give him a fucking beer and I drink one with him.
SPEAKER_00:Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Because what's gonna happen?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, you know what I'm saying? Yes. Yeah, he's going. Let him go fucking some dignity and fucking have him enjoy the thing, say, hey, listen, it's not gonna kill me about it. It's not gonna matter, yeah. It's already over, yeah. You know what I mean? So yeah, I think what you're seeing is absolutely true, and that's the right thing to do.
SPEAKER_02:And the other thing I was thinking now, and it's a it it this is the reason why euthanasia should be allowed, is because you're allowed to pull the plug on somebody. Why can't you let someone assist them in because they're dying?
SPEAKER_01:So what what you're saying now, just by what you're saying, right? Believe people subconsciously, you know, heartfelt. We all are hoping for that last minute Hail Mary that there's a police meet-up. That yeah, there's a cure. Like I can get this shot tomorrow morning and I'm gonna be cured of cancer by the end of the week. Like it's always that thing. You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because you got your head. You yeah, is always that. Right.
SPEAKER_01:So then you know, and and I get it and I understand, you know, but when you're not the one in the pain.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I'm saying? When you're not the one suffering, it's easy to come up with all that stuff. Right. You know what I mean? Like I said, I made the jokes, you know. Yeah, like for me personally, I made the jokes because having arthritis, then I'm like, oh my God, make me a cyborg. Right. Right. You know what I mean? So this way all I gotta do is that get some grease, some oil in that bitch, and like and I can go. But there's no pain. You know what I'm saying? The pain when it happens is fucking real. I'm not comparing my pain of arthritis to, you know, anybody with cancer and going through the chemo or whatever. I'm not comparing at all. I'm just saying just the thought process. Yeah, you know, for me right now, if I had that kind of money, would be me getting, you know, just admin admantium freaking, you know, bones and joints and shit. You know what I mean? I'm gonna be like Wolverine and just have metal, you know, metal skeleton. You know what I mean? I think that that's why people want to hold on, because you never know what could happen in 20 minutes. Yeah. What could happen tomorrow afternoon. You know what I'm saying? That I think that that's why, you know, just going by what you're you know, what you said, that that might be what it is. But yeah, we ran a little long today, bro.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, well hang out, real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, go ahead, go ahead, go. Real quick, just so you know, uh, what's wrong with something about Governor Holkle. So Governor Kathy Holkell signed several bills, late physician assistant PAs into New York law, primarily in late 2024, 2024. These laws have modernized PA practices standards and expanded their roles to improve health care and and access. Key bills signed, and so it just goes through some of the bills, but one of them was to be the physician to be able to help that person with you know crossing over.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah. Well, remember back, I mean, real quickly too, remember back when there was a movie with Eric Roberts, It's My Party? I don't know if you guys ever seen it or heard of it. So it was It's My Party, and he was dying. He knew he was. But before he got too sick to function, right, he was having it's his party, his goodbye party. So he had all his friends and family over, and he had that nifty big ass party in his house, and at the end of the night, he was going into the room, and then he was gonna be, you know, he was taking the meds or whatever to up and pass.
SPEAKER_03:Take his own life.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Before he got so bad where he was too frail to be able to function. And he didn't want anybody to see him be that kind of frail. Right. You know what I mean? To be that kind of like just lack of a better word, that kind of fucked up. Yeah. He wanted everybody to see him. Remember him, oh my God, the last party we had with him, he was bugging out, we drank, we had a ball.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I I remember I'm sorry, one second. Can you mind? No, no, yeah, yeah. So in Star Trek, I think it was Star Trek V, where McCoy, where Spock's brother, is able to make you see things, help you go through certain things. So McCoy was the one scene is where McCoy with his dad, and his dad was dying, and his father kept asking him, release me, release me. He's like, I can't do that, dad. Yeah. And then he kept intervening, Cybak to talking to him. Yeah. And he's like, Well, why'd you do it? But he was in pain. I had to let him go. But then that wasn't the worst. He's like, no, because later on they found a cure. Right. So now he's now he's twisted. Yes. Because I just let my father die. Yes. But then later on, like a couple months later, or whatever it was, they came out with a cure. Right. So that's the whole thing. You can't do that to yourself, you know, because if it's not present, you gotta do what you gotta do. You know what I mean? You just gotta help those people along. And it's some humane thing to do, right? Yeah. Think about it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:I'm with you.
SPEAKER_01:What were you gonna say, Tom?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you can say that. No, no, I it it wasn't important. I need that. No, it was it's okay. It's uh it wasn't. So but we're we're we're we're doing a wrap-up now, so yeah. Yeah, so we see, yeah. So yeah, so uh so we talked about some interesting stuff. We talked about some really wild stuff happening uh locally in uh grave robin. We recapped stranger things and we talked about some serious topic like you know, euthanasia. So yes, so very important is to uh please if you can hit that subscribe button. Yes.
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SPEAKER_03:That's yeah, we're gonna have Zoe on, all right. She's a young lady uh that I know who is a playwright, and she will be on Friday. She uh Zoe graduated with a Bachelor's of Fine Arts, Dramatic. She came out Dramatic Arts from New uh NYU Tisch School of the Arts. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:The summer. I'll read this again when we do the episode. Of course, of course. The play is called Dirk. And we will go over that play with her and how she got it and what it means and why she wrote it. And there was a couple other ones we're gonna share too, as well, that she sent me. Cool. So we'll go over that well. So it's gonna be interesting to mess up with her. She's good people down to earth, young lady. I think it's gonna be a good, good interview. Yeah, yeah, it definitely will be. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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