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Remembering Catherine O’Hara
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Three studios, one tribute, and a torrent of nostalgia. We kick off with the chaos of a first‑ever multi‑studio setup and land on what brought us together: celebrating Catherine O’Hara’s fearless range, from Second City roots and Beetlejuice to the singular brilliance of Moira Rose. We trade favorite moments, highlight her voice work in The Nightmare Before Christmas, and break down why great voice acting feels like sleight of hand—pure timing, breath, and intention without sets or makeup to hide behind.
From there, we zoom out to the wider map of pop culture. We revisit SNL hot streaks and off years, then argue which reboots actually earn their keep—Top Gun: Maverick gets the nod—while Westerns slip from the spotlight. The conversation turns to shows that found a second life through streaming and companion podcasts, like The Sopranos, and why strong worldbuilding keeps stories alive long after the credits roll. It’s less about nostalgia and more about narrative scaffolding; when the bones are solid, revisits and spinoffs feel like discovery, not repetition.
We also wade into the Star Wars galaxy: retcons, Expanded Universe gold, and how The Clone Wars, Ahsoka, and The Mandalorian add texture between tentpoles. Then it’s DC time—why animated films so often beat live action, what art styles invite or repel, and the case for anthology storytelling in the spirit of Heavy Metal. We wrap with practical viewing tips—trailers as filters, subs vs dubs—and a final salute to O’Hara’s legacy. Precision, range, and risk made her work timeless; those same traits keep fandoms thriving. If this mix of tribute, debate, and deep‑cut recommendations hits your feed right, tap follow, share it with a friend, and drop your favorite Catherine O’Hara role in a review.
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First Time In Multi‑Studio Setup
SPEAKER_02Live from Crawford Studios. It's CC and NJ Guy. So Lou is in the Crawford Studios. Kenny is in the Cottman Studios. And I am in the Jersey guy.
SPEAKER_00I am in the Crawford Studios by myself. I am the solo master of all devices right now. The Han solo.
SPEAKER_03I just I just saw the Tom that you have the Manhattan bridge in your back. Is that Manhattan or the Queensboro?
SPEAKER_01Is that Queensboro or Manhattan?
SPEAKER_02No, I think it's the thing on top, but that's yeah, that's how you know which one has the the it's like that. I call them the pawn pieces. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then I got the subway. New York City.
SPEAKER_01New Jersey. Yeah. There you go. It's crazy. Very good. This is pretty cool. This is the first time we're doing this. This is awesome. I like it. I like it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's fun. I like it. I think it's a good one. We'll do it, Lord!
unknownYeah.
Nostalgia Ads And Memorex Memories
SPEAKER_04We are too. Memorex. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's a throwback right there.
SPEAKER_02What was the the commercial where they were the the guy was getting blown up? Memorex.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Is it live? Or is it memorized? Yeah, that's one that's right. He's got the scarf on and the speaker in front of him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Yeah, that was me with the one-bit speaker right there. And he catches the drink from the slide of the front.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he catches the beer.
SPEAKER_02Same same same type of up from Jurassic Park with the Oh yeah.
Tribute To Catherine O’Hara Begins
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Exactly. That's we've been great. We lost a celebrity this week, Renault Hara. She was known for a lot of different things. You know, she was in Beetlejuice. Yeah. She was in uh she was uh Second City TV, I think 71 she was. So, but she was so funny. She was in a lot of a lot of different things, you know. And I think I thought it would be good just to pay her trial tribute and just kind of go over what all the things she's done and accomplished.
SPEAKER_02And you know, she was uh in a lot of the Tim Burton stuff, but she was also in Nightmare Before Christmas. Yes. She was one of the voices of well That's right.
SPEAKER_01One of the three because they she did a live performance once with because I think Pee Wee Herman Paul Ruman, same guy. It was the third one, I can't remember his name. They did a live performance of it. I watched it, it was pretty cool. And they sounded yeah, it sounded just like they were in the movie. It was scary, and I was like, oh shit, I didn't know that was them. Yeah. Well, I saw the stage.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was really good. I didn't see that. Yeah, it was good. I'll have to send it to you, but you'll like that. It's definitely worth watching. It's so cool. I wish they would do that all the time. Well, people keep passing away though. Yeah. Even like the mayor, he died years ago. The one because he was in Beetlejuice. He was the Orthone. Right, but that's right. He was the first one.
SPEAKER_01That's what it was.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, right, right, right. I forgot about that. I didn't even know he passed, though. I'm not gonna lie. I didn't even know he passed.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, still, I didn't even know.
SPEAKER_01I remember when that movie first came out. Also, I remember before Christmas, I think it was like 91. Crazy movie, right?
Voice Roles And Live Performances
SPEAKER_03And he knew what's crazy is that she was the shrink on The Last of Us. She was. So I don't even know if that show's gonna come back. She started to become a pretty a pretty big part. So Pedro Pascal, he would see her. So in the little town that they went to where Pedro Pascal's uh brother lived in, she was the shrink in that town and she couldn't stand him. She was upset with him because of I think she killed his bro her husband.
SPEAKER_01That's why.
SPEAKER_03He he killed her husband, but it was you had to see the circumstances. You know, as far as she's concerned, she didn't want to hear any of it. But because, you know, she took the oath and had to be the good doctor and stuff, she had to sit there and listen to all his stuff. She was good on that, but it was a it was a good one. I was like, dang, she mean, she didn't want to hear anything.
SPEAKER_02You know, my favorite character, hers, was definitely on shit's creek. She was so good in that, as Moira Rose.
SPEAKER_03I didn't see all of the Shits Creek, man. I didn't see all of them.
SPEAKER_01Well, she's only well, how many seasons have that been out already so far?
SPEAKER_02From five, from uh 2015 to 2020. And you know, Chris Elliott was in that too. He was funny in that too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Roland shit. 2015 to 2020. She was Moria. Moire Rose. Complex, unpredictable, and hilarious. Earned massive acclaim, including an Emmy. Oh, she won an Emmy for that. All right.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01He introduced her to global audience, Arc Dom for the wigs, and oddball elegance. Yeah, she she played all the weird oddball parts and she was really good at it, you know? She was.
SPEAKER_02Well, she I think she had like a lapse for a while in like movie stuff. Right. Yeah, I think she took a time. That step and that took that kind of put her back on.
SPEAKER_03Were we saying she took a what? A sabbatical? I think she just took, yeah, you know, just took a time out because I think she was trying to be with the with the family and stuff. You know what I mean? So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Rick Moran.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, now he's coming back for uh he's coming back for Space Balls now. Funny, we're talking about I I feel like we're just talking about Canadian actors. Why not? Maybe we should just do a podcast on that. There's so many of them. John Candy, you know, Jim Carrie. Isn't Dan Acker also, if I'm not mistaken? Yes, he is.
Schitt’s Creek And Awards Recognition
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fucking hilarious. It's funny. You don't do, but they're hilarious. They're fucking funny as hell, you know? Yeah. I think because they're so um they are a lot of actors from different countries, they watched the American stuff. And they kind of sort of copied, you know what I mean? Whether it's the win at the speed, you know, just uh a little stick that they might pick up from somebody and whatnot, you know what I mean? And you know, even like with the singers, they talk about how many sing, like with the Beatles, you know, they used to listen to American rock and roll, and they copied it and took it to the next level, you know. So same thing with the internet.
SPEAKER_01How who else came from Canada?
SPEAKER_03Similar culture, you know, or at least lived in Canada? In some way.
SPEAKER_02Cheech and Chong.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Cool. Cheech and Chong, really. They met each other in Canada. Canada. And that's where they started. They started in Canada. And Chich Marin was supposedly. And he was trying to get away from not going to the Vietnam War, is for what I understand. No sh at least that's what he says. Of course, he's joking. That might be the reason, but he says it so seriously, like you're like, oh, really? Did he really do that? That's why he was in Canada. So but yeah, but you never know. Back then that was a big thing, you know. People didn't want to go. So Yeah. The draft dodge. Yeah, that's what he said. Oh, the picture fell. The bridge is attacking me. Studio's falling apart over at the Jersey man's house. Crazy. That's it. Yeah, it's crazy. The facade has fallen. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03We gotta get the gatos bridge for you, Tom.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Get the gatos bridge and put it up there. Or the GW, you know? Oh, yeah, the GW, that would work.
SPEAKER_02The GW is alright.
SPEAKER_01It's all right, bridge.
SPEAKER_02That's always the bridge that I always think of whenever going to the city, you know, because that's the only bridge from New Jersey to Manhattan. From where you are. Oh, yeah, we're going for Canadian actors to bridge. The rest of them are New York to New York, like Verizano and uh Verizano. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Verizano. Verizano. Oh shit. That was insanity. Well, let's let's just go over real quick. I thought Harrow Bunt uh March 4th, 1954. Toronto, Canada became performing in Second City City, Toronto.
SPEAKER_02The second city for comedy talent. Known for Yeah, Second City was a very good thing. I used to watch it when I was a kid. They were around before.
SPEAKER_01And I used to watch both because Second City would be on a little later here in the States, at least on the East Coast when I saw it when I was watching it.
SPEAKER_02Also, fun fact about Catherine Mahara is she was technically a cast member on SNL but never aired. Like she she went in to be like she was there and then left. Okay. Well no shit. Just didn't work out like that. She never got to be on an episode. Yeah, yeah. She went to Sound uh Second City instead.
SPEAKER_03I thought she was like uh like the guest host and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. SNL. I didn't know that she was uh trying to be on there like steady or whatever. That's what I'm saying.
Canadian Comedy Roots And Influences
SPEAKER_01Yeah, she started with um it says that she started with Martin Short and Eugene Levy. That's when she started with those guys back in the day, you know. And then of course John Candy and all the rest of it. Second City TV was it was so hysterical, you know, because the comedy was just off the fucking wall. You know, like Saturday Night Live. But it was more but they didn't do live, they did their own little skits, like little, you know, recorded things that, you know, whatever it was, you know, that so I didn't I didn't really watch Second City, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it was on. I re I remember seeing it. I didn't really watch it. I would watch SNL, but that was a long stick and a long part of SNL that I didn't watch that either. I'm like, this isn't as funny anymore. Uh well it had its moments.
SPEAKER_01Right, because Saturday Live at some point it was good for a little while, and then it got new cast members and it didn't really it worked and it didn't work, and then you got some new ones and then it did. You know, there were certain periods that was real were a lot better than others when when um Saturday Live was on. It was I remember watching it all the time I was kids, and I always remember remember as a being young and watching it and being up late. I always was like, these music guests suck. Like half the music guests were like horrible. You know, and at that time I didn't know who half of them were, you know, because they were around longer than I was born. You know what I mean? Like I was the early days.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So then later on, I feel like the 70s is when they really got it good. When they had 70s was the beginning. Gigi Smith and the Saturday Night Live Band.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The 70s was the original crew. Bill Murray, Dan Aykroyd, John Belushi. What was her name? Gene Walter Gilda Runner. Thank you. Jane, you ignorant slut. Remember that one when they would do the when they did the news? That would Dan Aykroyd called her that. You know, they were they were always ranking on one another. That's what he would call her. Yeah, but then they would always see the beat later that night it would come on. Second City TV would come on. So but she was a funny lady, man, especially she was at home alone, right? We can't forget that, that's for sure. Because that's Kevin. Both.
SPEAKER_04We forgot Kevin.
SPEAKER_03Well, she was just in so many different flicks, you know, that there was things I didn't even pay no mind that she was in. Like, I mean, I've watched uh Lemony Snickets, yeah, that one, and I forgot that she was in that. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_04I never saw that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's a it's a pretty cool flick. It's a pretty cool movie, bro. I said I forgot she was in that. But a lot of the movies though, like I mean, those she was the voice, you know, behind the character. Like it was uh the um clay nation that's like a lot of voiceover work, like we mentioned before with nightmare. Yeah, she did a lot of that stuff. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, I mean, and I mean for me personally, she's just she's iconic. You know what I mean? Like you just you see her something, she's like, oh my god, she's done this too. Oh my god. And it goes.
Bridges, Studios, And Banter
SPEAKER_02Yeah, when you find out the amount of work that she did, like, whoa. Like that out, especially with the voiceover work, because you don't re you don't realize, oh my god, she was a voice voice actor. Like that's a good that's that's good talent. If you could be like an actor and a voice actor, like that's that's because you know what? That's gotta be like it's gotta be nice, like a nice, like easier day. Like if you if you're like an actor, you gotta get on set, you gotta get makeup, but if you're voice actor, you can show up in a hoodie and coffee in your hand and pajamas. You can go in the recording studio and record. No one knows what you look like. Yeah, pretty much. You don't have a whole crew waiting on you. You got a sound crew, obviously, but there's no like you know, you don't have to worry about all these people and all this working stuff. Everything's gonna work, and it's you know, you go in, you record. That's what at least I I could be totally wrong, but that's that's actually not how it is. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Well, because then too, you don't have to memorize your lines because you get to read. That's true. Well, you kind of, yeah, legit.
SPEAKER_01You gotta hope you're reading it alright right off the bat, and not, you know, tripping over your words.
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean, you you read it and then you you you can read a page and then have that kind of memorized. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03Like you don't have to memorize because I know I think that what they do, they get to watch the movie as it's happening, kind of thing. You know, as it's happening when they get to watch it. But then they know, like, oh no, look out.
O’Hara’s Second City And SNL Backstory
SPEAKER_01Because they know that they're running and they're gonna slip and they're gonna fall or do whatever and uh it also says it on the script, too, I believe, you know, that they're gonna be running or falling or making a noise. You know, so you gotta That's gotta be hard to do. I mean, I mean, think about it. Just sitting there reading that and reading. I mean, it's a lot easier, like you said, Tom, because you're not on a movie studio stage and you're not having to worry about all right, we're ready, and then you're sitting for three hours because they're not done ready to do anything yet, or whatever, you know, kind of that shit. Right, right, right. So, um They did a tribute for her, by the way, what I'm saying here. Hollywood response tributes from colleagues like Eugene Levy, Seth Rogan, and others, fans and co-stars remembering her warmth, humor, and generosity. Social media filled with stories of kindness and inspiration, cultural reflection, discuss. There are parents who grew up with her character, so a lot of parents, of course, are tributing it because home alone and all that as well, too. So she's gonna have a good legacy. She was a comic uh I'm sorry, what does that say? Yeah, no, I won't read that. Paving the way for women in comedy, so she was because that was early too. So remember, don't forget, back then, you know, you didn't have that many women comics. You did. I mean, I mean the actors and stuff, but these women help for all that as well. So that's actually good. You know, you notice when one person passes away, there's always somebody else. So it's crazy. It's always three. It's always three. How many people uh but then it winds up going to like four or five, you know what I'm saying? There was another actor, I forget who we said it was. Well, the guy from Three Dog Night. He was from the band Three Dog Night.
SPEAKER_03Um, that's a musician. Sorry. Okay, yeah. No, um, yeah, there was a few of them, Tom, that uh that uh that had passed away in these past couple of weeks. January was a busy month.
SPEAKER_02I feel like it was that last year for in 2025, like, oh my god, all these deaths happened. I remember it was like beginning of 2025 last year. It was like boom, boom, boom. I was like, oh my god. Right. It's the rapture. We were making jokes like that. It's the rapture. That's who we were talking about.
SPEAKER_03Lamont. Yes. Boom. Lamont. Yeah. And he was seeing, yeah, I just remember like, oh shit, Lamont passed away too. Yeah. That's each other. Come here, get big, come here.
SPEAKER_01Right.
SPEAKER_03Pop, come on, Pop. It's it's insane, but because you just happen like you know one.
SPEAKER_01And he wasn't the old one when that show was. You know, when one happens, you know another one's gonna follow. A red box was.
SPEAKER_02He was holding his shit when that was.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and and I think that was the only thing he really was in. I mean, I'm sure he did other things, but we don't remember him for anything else when except for that show. Oh, yeah, no, no.
SPEAKER_03He was in a bun, he was in a bunch of stuff. You know what I mean? It's just like, geez, bro, like, what the hell? Because that's our childhood, I guess, our young adult stuff. And we're like, dang on, what the hell's going on here right now?
SPEAKER_01Yes, that's the part that's gonna be. So Chuck was the singer for the founding member of Three Dog Night. He died February 2nd, 2026. He was 83.
SPEAKER_03All right.
SPEAKER_01So he was the one. Hey, what happened? Everything all right?
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no, I'm looking at some of the other deaths, I'm like, whoa, them too.
SNL Highs, Lows, And Music Guests
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Sla Sly Dunbar passed away. Influential Reggae drummer died January 26, 2026, age 73. Yeah, Yama. Yes. Yeah. Bum black. Flame jazz, a clarinarist, saxophonist, found dead February 1st, 2026, 66. That's young. That's young. I get scared when I see the young 60s. When you see people dying their 60s, hell yeah.
SPEAKER_03Valentino Garvani, Garavani.
SPEAKER_02I don't know.
SPEAKER_03Who's uh with Metal Streep in the Devil Wars Prada? Okay.
SPEAKER_01He looks like that. They're gonna be doing another one, by the way. They're gonna be doing another one of those. Devil Loves Prada. They're gonna be doing another one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02She is she gonna be in the the new Devil Wars Prada movie, or is it about a different, like a different fashion per like it's another story of a different fashion person or something? Or is it a continuation of the original story? I wonder if it's gonna I don't know if it's gonna be a continuation.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I didn't even know that we're gonna really actually.
SPEAKER_02Is it an anthology series? Everybody has a dickhead boss who who works in the fashion industry. They're all like that. I wouldn't be fucking surprised. Vogue. Wasn't it Vogue? Vogue. That's right, Vogue, yeah. So maybe like I have a male version where like the guy's like an asshole and he's GQ, you know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Then does it a devil wear Gucci?
SPEAKER_01The devil bears Gucci.
SPEAKER_03Coming to a theater New York.
SPEAKER_01That's what it sounded like. He's bougie like that.
SPEAKER_03He Carter, I didn't know he passed away. Remember this guy?
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yes, I that was recent, actually. When uh when did he pass?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03He passed away on June 9th. He was funny as hell, too. He was funny. Really? Guy Moon, yeah. Yeah, I can't believe I said how many people. This is just the beginning. Uh the one you're talking about, Lou before, um, from the Little Rascals was uh Sidney Kimbrick. Okay. He was like 97.
SPEAKER_0197 lived a long time, man. That's yeah, that's a long time to live. You know? Think about it.
SPEAKER_03Tommy Lee's daughter, I didn't even know. That's right. Tommy Lee was in January, I think. Yeah, January 1st, 34, bro. Didn't say how she passed, but telling you, bro, it's just wild. Tommy Lee Jones? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He is. He's up there.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna he's gonna be on that list soon. No, shut up, bro. No, he can't. He can't. I'm so fucked out, fucked out. Like he's gonna be on the list soon. It's not all.
SPEAKER_01You're a douchebag.
SPEAKER_03It's not like you're gonna go pick him up.
SPEAKER_01There's people that should be on the list already.
SPEAKER_03And nothing's happening. But that's a different podcast. So many, so many celebrities that have passed in the last couple of years. You mean like I said, movies that we grew up on that they can't make the you know, a remake, can't, you know, when people aren't gonna know the young kids now, the next generation's like what? Burt who? And it's like, oh, that is gone.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but some movies. Right, you're right. Some movies can't or TV shows can't be done over. It just you can't touch them. It's not gonna be all right. But then some you can get away with it. You know what I mean, depending on the the genre where they could continue it on and you know, like somebody I I think they already found somebody who's gonna actually play like Indiana Jones or something for some point. Go ahead, Tom. What are you saying?
O’Hara’s Filmography And Voice Acting Craft
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I was saying I love when TV shows get a second life. Like a perfect example is the Sopranos. During 2020, during the COVID, like everybody started watching the Sopranos again. It got like revitalized. Like it was crazy, like the younger generation who was like too little when the show was on to like it, like started watching, and people were like, wow, this is good. And they it was so it got a second life that they actually ended up doing they were like one of the first shows to do a pot uh an episode by episode podcast. Because you know, that's like the thing now, is like people, you know, they'll the the actors and the directors, like they they'll discuss the show episode for episode, so you can watch the episode and then listen to the podcast, and then watch some listen to podcasts.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Well, because I mean, you know, it it's it it's one of those stairs. Yeah, yeah. But is that you can't even make a lot of those movies anymore. You know what I'm saying? So then seeing the people that made them, you know. Especially if it was already a good movie. Right. If the movie was already a good one. I'm gonna tell you, bro, nobody in this in this particular movie I'm gonna say now, they didn't pass away. But uh Top Gun, when they did the part two, bro, it was as good or better than the first one. You know what I mean? And Val Kimmer, but he was in it, yeah. And he oh, that's right. He did pass.
SPEAKER_02Did he pass away last year?
SPEAKER_03Yeah. That was the top gun one. But he was able to be in that in the last one. Yes, he passed up. He was able to be in part two in Maverick. It was freaking, it was great. And it was cool seeing the minute. You know what I mean? Because now he was like an admiral or whatever it was, you know, but he was sick. He played.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, he was tired.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he played in the movie too. Yeah, yes, sad. He was sick in the movie too. Like in the movie, he was actually uh cancer.
SPEAKER_01Johnny Ringo, you look like someone just walked over your grave. Yeah, Tombstone. A great movie, man. He was the best at that. He was so good at that. Tom, you never seen that movie? Yeah, that was Tombstone? Which movie? Tombstone.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh not a long, long time. I think I saw it like once, but I was it was when I was, you know.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, that was a great flick. That was a good ass.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, you know what? They really haven't made a lot of good cowboy movies lately. That used to that I feel like that kind of you don't really see any much. I mean, I remember the last big thing was that what was that series on um HBO that was on for a while? Deadwood. Okay. Deadwood.
SPEAKER_03I didn't get to see.
SPEAKER_02That was like I feel like that was like the last Deadwood was like the last like big like cowboy thing. Like you don't really see a lot of Western stuff anymore, I feel like. Maybe I'm wrong, but I I have I don't I don't remember any big Western movie. I think I feel like that genre is kind of like kind of the game was good. Red Dead Revolver, that was that was the shit. That was a good game. Yeah, it was by Rockstar Games. It was they basically made a GTA in the Wild West.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I saw it. I never played it. I saw the game. I knew somebody. It was really good.
SPEAKER_01It was really good. I'll tell you, if you guys go ahead, I'm sorry. No, no, no, you're first. I wasn't saying nothing. A good show that I just started watching, I gotta get caught up on because the season two is coming out, is Fallout. That's the new one that's on. Did you guys see that? Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01It is so well doodle, it is so crazy off the wall, the whole idea, you know, when it takes place and all that. Yes.
SPEAKER_02I played the game, but I I don't know. I didn't like the game. I played it and I got bored with it.
SPEAKER_03I turned it off too. Like deleted it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Uh it was real it's it's so slow paced and you gotta go. But the show is funny as all out. It's ridiculous crazy. But you like the show, though. I didn't like the game. So I was like, eh, I never give the show a chance.
SPEAKER_03But uh if it's good, maybe nothing like the game, bro. Because like I said, I played two. It is nothing like the game. Nothing like the game. Yeah, no, no. This is way cooler.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, because it gets into the story and everything. It's just so weird and wacky the way these people think, you know. You gotta watch that. That's a good one for sure. No doubt. You will like it, Tom. I promise you. You'll like it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You'll like it. You'll be like, oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_02See, because you changed my mind about the pet. So I watched it with season one.
SPEAKER_01That's a great show. I think there was a new one.
SPEAKER_02I'm on like episode 11. Yeah. I'm on episode 11 of season one. So I'm still I'm still getting caught up.
Recent Celebrity Losses And Legacy
SPEAKER_03Yeah, you're right there. So we are waiting for this season to pretty much be done, and then we're just gonna go pop pop and watch them all out. We've been watching one after the other because we already we already No, I I won't be able to do it, but I thought about doing it like that, Lou. And the problem like the cliffhangers, right? You know, like all the cliffhangers. It's that I got I was so we were so like vested in everybody and everything that's on there that wait in a week I was gonna have like anxiety issues. So okay.
SPEAKER_02Really? You know what the show was really bad in that aspect? Remember Lost?
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because it started off good and then it just went to fucking died off.
SPEAKER_02But the cliffhangers were like the worst on that show. Because you're like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_01Like what what what what the like at the end of the at the end of the episode it'd be stop where something's gonna happen, you know? And I can usually call that every time I'm watching a show and going, and that's the end. Okay, well next episode.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, no shit. Speaking of the same part.
SPEAKER_01I can't wait for him to come out the new season of Alien Earth, okay? I gotta freaking get caught up on that. I gotta watch it. You're gonna like it. You like it, Tom. Trust me, I'm gonna tell you. Kenny, you'll like it because where does it stream? Uh Hulu, I think. Hulu. Hulu or was it Hulu and HBO or Disney? Hulu's part of Disney now. I think you can get it on Disney, if I'm not mistaken. That was a good one. And in that m in that show, it shows how they are able to take sick children and transfer their body into an Android. So they're they're um they're uh what do they call them? Synthetic. They're not a total because they're they're being their soul, they're is part of the machine. But they're children in a grown person's body, and they're super strong. I mean, they could rip your arms off of you if they want, they can jump off of anything, like they got like almost superhuman strength in a sense. You know it was good. I liked it. It was cool. Like vocal colour. You gotta watch it, you like that. It was good. Yeah, I got it. That's a good one. That's another one, man, for sure, no doubt about it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like right now, I'm on the regular stuff. So I gotta I haven't even been watching all my animes. I'm upset that I get caught up on all them shit too. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Stuff that's coming out this season this actual uh year, you know. Nobody watches Bridgeton here. You bastard.
SPEAKER_03Well, I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of Star Wars stuff coming out. Star Wars.
SPEAKER_02Oh man, I can't wait. And they're retconning uh Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, sir. Excuse me. What are they retconning it where they're just that's where it they del it doesn't exist, they're removing it from canon. It's does it never happen.
SPEAKER_03Who's this? Oh really? The Rise of Skywalker, because they're gonna change it how it came out. Because nobody liked the freaking series. Yeah, because all three of those movies sucked.
SPEAKER_01That's why.
SPEAKER_03Well, no, no, no. Just the Rise of Skywalker Walker part because of how they kept what's the name? Luke.
SPEAKER_02They should get rid of The Last Jedi, too. Just I think The Force Awakens was a good movie. The first one I I mean the first you're right. Energy. The first one was good. I liked the direction they were going in. Yeah. But the direction they went in after that was like what Luke Skywalker throwing the thing. Yeah, like give me a break. Really?
SPEAKER_01He's never gonna do that. You know what I mean? Like, come on. The whole story thing, it just it just it didn't uh it didn't jive for me. I didn't I wasn't happy with it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it didn't vibe, man. It really didn't. So I'm glad they're redoing it. But I don't know how much of it they're gonna be doing. Are they gonna be do like the whole thing, or are they just gonna like, you know, take some of the stuff that fell on the on the cutting room floor and put that in and take some other shit out. Oh, you mean like they're gonna be able to do that? I don't know, but what's the name? What's that?
SPEAKER_01Who's the guy's uh Finn, right? In Star Wars, the last three. He's gonna suppose he now he's gonna be now he's gonna be a Jedi now, from what I understand. Right, yeah, right. I heard that too. I'm like Yeah, no, I think that's I think that's fine, though, because he should have been one from the first movie. When he got hurt and he was already swinging that thing around, he you would have thought I want to get I want to become a Jedi because you know I want to learn how to use this thing, you know what I mean? But then everybody's got the force.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, but you Right, that's the that's the whole shit. If he doesn't have the force, anybody can't. The meta chlorine count that matters. Everybody has a piece of the force.
Reboots, Remakes, And Cultural Memory
SPEAKER_01One with the force, the force is one with me. I'm one with the force, the force is one with me. Come on, you know what I'm talking about. Which movie am I talking about? Yeah, right. Yeah. I'm sure anybody could tap into it if they were willing to train hard enough and get to be able to look, Luke didn't have the force when he first met Obi Long. I have the short. The short is bigger than mine. As big as mine. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what's else is coming out with uh forget about what the Star Wars right now. Uh I do hear rumors of a new Star Trek movie coming out. And they're gonna do one more Sherlock, Sherlock, Sherlock Holmes with uh Robert Donnie Jr. He's gonna be doing a third one. Because the first two were really good. I like the first two. Yeah? So they're gonna bring back uh help me out. Hellboy. Hellboy. What's his name is coming back to do a third one. The original Hellboy. But it's the original, the first guy? Bob Proman. He was where? Huh? He was in the Alien and Alien movie, too. Remember when he was on the ship? Yes. He was in Blade, one of the Blade movies. He was a van pipe. He was a bad guy. He always played like a bad guy, you know what I mean? Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Not to go back to uh I am going back to Star Wars, so not to. I uh I I think they should drop the whole like you know, the episode one, two, three, the whole Skywalker saga. Just go right into the expanded universe. They are because I think that's where the both they're gonna become They are, but I think they should just drop the the rest of the movies. Like I don't even know.
SPEAKER_01So in other words, don't reference them at all.
SPEAKER_02Just start off from expanded universe now. Yeah, like the Mandalorian, all that shit. I love the expanded universe. In fact, that's what really brought me back to Star Wars is my buddy Steve. He brought me back into it. He's like, Yeah, you gotta watch the Clone Wars, and I did all that. And I was like, I fucking loved it. I was like, this is so much better. Like they should do more movies in the in the expanded universe.
SPEAKER_03So I was happy with the Mandalorian movie, the Ahsoka, what all the fillers, it's all the fillers that you didn't see are what bring you back because it's like now it gives you that extra that the in-between stories because it adds more depth. Right, exactly. Because it's giving you what happened in between, you know. It wasn't like you went from episode six to episode seven, it was all the stuff that happened in between after they gave the the end after.
SPEAKER_02It adds so much more depth. And you know, it's funny because back in the day a lot of shows didn't want to, a lot of movies and TV shows didn't want to do that because they were worried that like all this additional stuff would like cheapen it. But uh to me, it does the opposite. It makes it better. It brings you in. It's done right. If it's if it's done shit, then of course it's gonna be cheapen it.
Westerns, Games, And Fallout Series
SPEAKER_03But you do it good. Well, all the anime are better than the you know, the animation is better than having to do the full movies and all that. But we'll switch over to DC. All the DC movies, Batman, Superman, Justice League, all of those things are like a hundred times better than the the live action movies. Yeah, period.
SPEAKER_01But some of the cover but some of the animated stuff was a little too far-fetched. Because you could tell the movies from Man of Steel and then uh Justice League, you could tell they they definitely borrowed from those cartoons. They just changed the story around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They used the definitely the same time the way they did it, but it it they changed it obviously to the Snyderverse version of it. So that's what they did.
SPEAKER_02So the only thing I don't like they did with the DC animation is is some of the stuff looked completely different. Like in um was it the Red Hood or was it the Return of the Dark Knight, where like the Joker was like he was like a bodybuilder. I was like, what the heck?
SPEAKER_03So what they did was in those movies is that they had um a bunch of anime uh creators from Japan and they made anime. They did their own version of it, right? Right. So they switched it up because they they were taking like basically one, like there's um the um Batman versus the Yakuza, you know, they had uh samurai Batman and they have all that stuff, right? So they turned around, they took, like I said, all these different directors, and then they said, make what you would make for it. So they weren't like it wasn't a you know a series or part of those are like one-offs and stuff like that. So you gotta know which ones you're talking about. So like like you have to know which ones are the the like I said are the animes and which ones are part of a series or sticking to the you know regular Batman because when you look at the Batman and then they got the um Team Titan or the Titans and stuff like that, you know, the original Team Titans before they did uh that little crazy bullshit that they have now, you know. I hate that shit. Yeah, but you have to watch all those fillers, man. I said same thing with the Star Wars. You watch all the matter of fact, even Star Trek, they have this one comedy one called Below Decks, below Decks? Oh, yeah. Lower Decks, Lower Decks, that one, Lower Decks, and bro, that's you see some of that, and it's like, oh, you know what I mean? I hear that's supposed to be really good. It is, it's supposed to be really good. It is because like I said, their backstory, like some of their, like some of their adventures are the backstory to the live action Star Trek stuff. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01You know what I like if they could do something like they did with like back in the day, remember the movie Heavy Metal? You remember that movie? Now in that movie, it was a different it wasn't a full movie of one thing, it was different animated shorts that were in the movie. Right. Yes. The uh each one was different and the animation was amazing. It was incredible, and the freaking soundtrack was off the freaking charts, man. It was great, it was a great album, too, by the way. So stuff like that. If they could do stuff like that where they can come back and do stuff with the rock and roll and make an animation out of it, or even incorporate, like Kenny was saying, maybe with the anime with the DC or any of the other comics to do that. That would be pretty cool to do that, you know, and get that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01But it's good for back then for our time. That was really a big thing for us.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh yeah. Was that about Kilmer back in the day? Cool World. Oh yeah, I forgot about that movie. Yeah. And Jessica Rabbi, otherwise that one uh who framed Roger Rabbit. So they had a lot of that.
SPEAKER_01That's right.
Binge Versus Weekly And Cliffhangers
SPEAKER_03Yeah. And they have Fire and Ice was another animated one back in the day that was like that, like the heavy metal kind of thing. So I know I'm with you, bro. I'm with you. It would be. But now, see, here's the thing. There's so many people that watch animation as a whole that now is to pick what kind of animation is going to get people to watch. So you have different kinds of drawing. Right. Yes. You have what's just like the computer stuff, you know, that computer look, you have like the cartoon look, you have so that would be the key, my friend. I like the animated stuff.
SPEAKER_01I just don't like when it's when it almost looks like it. I don't know. I guess some of the art sometimes, like some of the D sheet stuff that that they did was alright. I just didn't like the art to it. Like some of it was really good. Like they had good artists and good um series about it, you know, whatever it was. And then there's some I'm like, I didn't like that one, man. You know what like the one that uh Batman wore the metal suit and that animated one, and he fought Superman, remember? And and he had the robin, but it was the girl. Remember, he took her on, remember?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01So it was a whole different story. Like it was different. But you could tell, like I said, the movies borrowed from some of those things. Yeah. It wasn't the same. And he worked, remember the Superman was actually helping the president, remember, in that particular animation with DC? Batman would give him shit like, Well, did you talk to your boss today or something to that effect? Like he was giving Superman a hard time. It was just weird. It was like, what the hell is this? It was like it was just a different viewpoint. If they could do something like a bunch of different ones like that.
SPEAKER_03Well, did you see when uh what if Superman would have landed in Russia instead of?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I actually had that comic series, believe it or not. Oh, yeah? No shot. Like my cousin gave it to me. That's a good one too. That's crazy shit, man. That the Russian one. That's nuts. But then he winds up becoming a good guy anyway. Mm-hmm. Right. Yeah, because he actually saw what he was doing and everything like that. So, you know, he he winds up becoming a good guy, not uh doing all that over.
SPEAKER_03I told everybody watch the animations, watch the anime, watch the fillers, you know, on those kind of things. Because yeah, bro, once you just you're like, now it makes sense. Now you tell you, I love watching this shit. Love it.
SPEAKER_02If you saw a Soviet version of Superman, would you be like, Yeah, you'll get those capitalist pigs. Austin, we won.
SPEAKER_04Yay, capitalism.
SPEAKER_03Austin. That's Austin, we won! Watch the animations, watch those fillers, and you're gonna be like, What? You know, and Lou, for you, when you're flicking through the you know the DC animation stuff, just watch the trailer. And if you like the trailers, you know, like I always flip through the trailers.
SPEAKER_01I used to buy the CDs to watch the animation ones. I used to get them when the CDs were on. Just sometimes I liked some of them and some of them I didn't. I'm like, uh I wasn't curious about the art. I wasn't curious about the just didn't uh but that's a different viewpoint of whoever is writing the story at the time.
SPEAKER_03So many other animes, bro, that you could uh watch them uh dubbed, you know, where they're in English, but the subtitles, man, I watch them all in subtitles.
SPEAKER_02It's better with the subtitles because it's the the it's not the same. Uh and the voice act uh voice actors always suck. The the English dubbed voice actors. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. And that's why you gotta watch. Not even the the the middle track voices, but the way they talk, like like in Godzilla, too. Like it's terrible. I hate if I was if I'm gonna watch Godzilla, I'll put it in Japanese. Yeah, I don't want to watch the uh the American.
Star Wars Retcons And Expanded Universe
SPEAKER_03Nah, dude, listen, you have to watch them. There are so many that it's like just so it's Godzilla. But dude, the copyright issues, it's not Godzilla. But we can pretend like it is Godzilla, but it isn't. Isn't I keep quoting Austin Powers? Oh my god. Well I forgot about that too, bro. I forgot about that part. That was anyway. That's being sick.
SPEAKER_01My son that was the whole thing. He goes, but it is I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Well, gentlemen, we have come to the end of the podcast. Yeah. So again, thank you. Always a pleasure. Thank you for being. Yeah, thank you for hanging out with the crazy fellas.
SPEAKER_03Yes, indeed. Yes, appreciate you guys for being here, Lou. Yo, good job, bro. You was over down the aren't over there. Nice and band in the bar. Yes. So love piece of hair grease, love piece of hair grease, and what? And keep on going off the railway.
