The Wake Up Call: Transforming People's Lives Through Scripture

Summary

In this episode of the Church Talk Podcast, hosts Jason Allison and Rob Paterson discuss the challenges of dog training, leading into a deeper conversation about discipleship and spiritual growth with their guest JD Walt. JD shares insights from his new study on Romans, emphasizing the importance of engaging with scripture and the transformative power of community. He introduces the concept of the 'Wake Up Call' and the five Rs of Bible study, advocating for a slower, more intentional approach to scripture engagement. The conversation highlights the significance of storytelling in the church and the need for pastors to focus on transformation rather than mere attendance numbers.

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Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Dog Troubles
02:49 Discipleship and Training Insights
05:42 The Wake Up Call and Daily Engagement with Scripture
08:27 Transformation Through Consecration
10:58 The Importance of Engaging with Scripture
13:39 Rethinking Bible Study Approaches
16:27 Living in the Word and Long-Term Memory
19:08 Meditation and Remembrasing Scripture
25:23 The Power of Memory and the Word of God
27:08 Researching the Word: A Deeper Understanding
28:50 The Importance of Rehearsing the Word
30:37 From Sincerity to Substance in Faith
32:27 The Shift from Need to Want in Discipleship
34:38 Practical Discipleship: Reading the Gospels Together
37:18 The Action Beyond the Church Walls
39:14 Measuring Success: Stories Over Statistics
42:51 Recovering the Art of Storytelling in the Church

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Transcript

Jason Allison (00:00)
Welcome back everybody to the church talk podcast with Rob and Jason. We are so glad that you have tuned in once again to join us. Hey Rob, man, how you doing? Doing good.

Rob Paterson (00:12)
You know, mean, generally, yes, but more immediately, no, the last 12 hours of my life have been absolutely miserable.

Jason Allison (00:18)
Yeah?

Yeah, I know when I get a text from you at 11 o'clock at night that it's not a good thing. but yes. And, we've dealt with your dog on the podcast and this is pertaining to your dog. ⁓ so

Rob Paterson (00:35)
Yeah, well, and

you know, it's I guess I'm going to find out quickly if my wife actually listens to our podcast, if I tell this story, you know what I mean? But it's funny, I'll like, I'll tell myself first, I am not like at all a dog trainer. like, any of the four dogs we've owned over the almost 30 years we've been married, you know, I have not like trained them into finely tuned specimens, because that's just not my thing.

Jason Allison (00:42)
Ha

Rob Paterson (01:00)
Bethany also is not a dog trainer, but dogs have always trained her. you know, they just know she's going to pay attention to me so I can bark or whatever. So she was gone for a couple of days and like our dog who has a myriad of behavioral anxiety type issues in his old age was perfect. Perfect for the two days she was gone. As soon as she walked in the door, he starts barking and doing his old stuff, right? Which is, it's normal.

Jason Allison (01:05)
Yes.

Rob Paterson (01:27)
There, what I've said, there's nothing new to that. I felt bad because I'm like, you know, like my poor wife just has gone for a couple of days. Now she's coming back to this, this dog. Well, she brought some food down, let him outside where he eats. And he came back in and all of a sudden she's like, what's that? And I don't know. She's 10 feet away. But a minute later it hits Liam and I, youngest son, our dog found and gotten a little fight with a skunk.

Jason Allison (01:37)
Mm-hmm.

Ugh.

Rob Paterson (01:55)
And then

was inside for probably four or five minutes before we fully realized. So like all that, whatever oils and whatever. So yeah, I mean that then meant a run to the store in town to buy towels to use. And, and we Googled like some concoction to build the wash them with. And so yeah, the next hours were just that in our house still kind of has this kind of odor in it, which is super duper fun.

Jason Allison (02:01)
Ugh.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Mm-hmm.

yeah. Well, I'm glad I'm, you know, I was I was up there a couple weeks ago for a couple days and I'm glad I don't have to go back for a little bit. Now that you air that out. ⁓ yeah. So we have, you know, we've had dogs to have a dog and we actually had a trainer come in with the first dog that we got because it was kind of a help dog for our daughter, like just emotional support, not a not a true service dog. But

Rob Paterson (02:27)
you

You

Ugh.

Jason Allison (02:49)
Brought a trainer in and he finally looked at me he said, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not training the dog. I'm training you. And, you know, there's, there's a lot of wisdom in that. And so, yeah, I think we, we forget that as we are learning new skills that are, we're doing, you know, as we're even in relationships, that it really has a lot to do with who's training, who who's listening and who's following these patterns and who's, understanding that. And, I don't know. I think that is thinking of that.

makes me really think about the guests that we have today and this idea of discipleship and training and growing. I know a lot of pastors are always asking about, hey, you I need to develop a discipleship pathway or I need to develop, you know, this process or whatever for people to grow. know, we've got a special guest today who has a new study coming out, a study on Romans. You know, it's not, it's a big one.

Right. And, but we have with us on the podcast today, JD Walt, JD, man. Welcome to the podcast. We're so glad that you are, you're here.

JD (03:52)
Thanks guys. I'm the dog here

Jason Allison (03:55)
You

Rob Paterson (03:55)
You were sprayed by a skunk last night too?

JD (03:57)
I'm the dog.

Jason Allison (04:00)
no, no, you're the trainer who's coming in and saying, I'm showing you stuff. No, I, so JD, you are the, pastor of Gillette Methodist church in, is it Gillette or Gillette? Gillette. Okay. Yeah. Gillette, Arkansas. and you're the founder of, and the sower in chief. I love that title of a seed bed, ink. And I know you collect, you connect people and resources.

JD (04:01)
not the trainer.

Jason Allison (04:23)
So that basically so people can begin sowing the seed of the gospel and I just love that and I also was noticing you were the vice president and the Dean of Chapel at Asbury Theological Seminary and I my Undergraduate is from Asbury College. So we have a little common thread there. You were right across the street So, I mean I graduated in 94 so I don't know when you were when you were there serving but

Rob Paterson (04:37)
Hmm

JD (04:44)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

I went to seminary there in 94. I was there serving up there from 2000 until 2011 in the chapel. And then we started this company out of the seminary. so technically I've worked for Asbury for 25 years. And we just actually spun off our little company this summer.

Jason Allison (04:57)
Alright.

Rob Paterson (05:03)
Hmm

Jason Allison (05:04)
Okay, yeah.

OK.

Wow.

Rob Paterson (05:18)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (05:18)
Yeah.

Yeah.

That's cool. Now I treasure my time at Asbury and yes, yeah. I spent many an hour in the seminary library because I was a Bible and theology major with a minor in ancient languages. And so had a lot of study had to do with the fancy library as opposed to the, because the college one, when I was there, we still had a physical card catalog, like a big bank of drawers with

JD (05:26)
Wil- Wilmore.

Rob Paterson (05:33)
You

JD (05:42)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (05:50)
that you had to go through to find things. Yeah. Wow. We're old. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Well, hey, JD, we just want to talk a little bit about the new study that just is coming out and all the cool stuff with that. But maybe just start up. You do a daily email slash kind of like a podcast, but in written form transcribed.

JD (05:52)
Mm-hmm.

Things have

Rob Paterson (05:56)
Yes, thank God for technology.

Jason Allison (06:15)
to like a massive list of people over the last 10 years. And you said, is this the one that's called the wake up call? Yeah, maybe tell us about that and what, you know, why did you start doing that?

JD (06:22)
Yes, the wake up call.

Well, it's interesting.

Yeah, thanks. And Rob and Jason, thank you all for inviting me to be on your podcast. you know, back at Asbury when I was working there, I just had a novel idea in the early 2000s. And, all these students and pastors had come there to study. And I thought, what if

Jason Allison (06:34)
Of

JD (06:51)
we just started reading the Bible together at seminary. Because, you know, when you get into the church and working in the church, it's very easy for the Bible to shift from it being your home to being your workplace. And my goal was to try to help it stay your home for these

Rob Paterson (06:54)
Hmm. Hmm.

Jason Allison (06:55)
Crazy.

Rob Paterson (07:08)
Hmm

JD (07:16)
students and preparing pastors, like how do you stay at home in God's Word and not just become a rock pile that you're just trying to get something out of for somebody else? And so, we started right there.

Jason Allison (07:22)
Mmm.

JD (07:35)
reading scripture as a community. We started making these scripture readers. And then

Rob Paterson (07:40)
Hmm

JD (07:42)
before long, churches wanted to get copies of those so that they could read the Bible together. And of course, that's to me, ground zero of church. We're reading God's Word together. And that began, that was the beginning of

Jason Allison (07:44)
Okay.

Yeah.

Yes.

JD (08:00)
the publishing company called Seedbed. We started this thing called Seminarius, which is the Latin word for seed, which the Latin word for seminary, but it means seed bed. And of course, the word of God is the seed. And so, you know, as we started that publishing company, and I don't even call it a publishing company, I call it an awakening company. We're trying to help people.

Jason Allison (08:02)
you

Wow.

Rob Paterson (08:12)
Hmm.

JD (08:27)
wake up to their real life and follow Jesus. So I've been writing every day since about 2014 and it began as an email that my mom was reading.

Jason Allison (08:29)
Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah

JD (08:46)
And it just slowly has grown. then at one point I started podcasting it and I do it's I think the podcast, of course, is the the gold standard of it because it's it is so connecting. It's just like I tell people, I'm like, guys, we're having a meeting with Jesus. We're going to win the day by winning the morning.

Rob Paterson (09:00)
Hmm.

JD (09:10)
and we're going to meet with Jesus every morning together. And I sit right here on this little microphone and we open in consecration every day. We move into transformation and we leave for demonstration. that's if you know if you're looking for a discipleship path, that's it. Consecration, transformation, demonstration. And so,

Jason Allison (09:14)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (09:26)
you

Jason Allison (09:20)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (09:29)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (09:33)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (09:33)
Yeah.

JD (09:36)
Yeah, that has grown very slowly and you know, it's been hard, but it's been good. And it's still, I mean, in the scheme of things, small, but so is the seed, right? The seed never gets bigger. It stays small, but it multiplies extraordinarily.

Rob Paterson (09:47)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (09:49)
Yeah.

That's kind of the point, right?

Rob Paterson (09:57)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (09:58)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (10:03)
Yeah.

JD (10:05)
You know, we're looking always, I think the word scaling has entered our vocabulary. And I'm like, that is just not, the kingdom of God will not scale. It'll multiply, but it'll do it the same way every time. You

Jason Allison (10:18)
Hmm.

JD (10:25)
have a seed and then you get a shoot and then you get leaves and a root and then you get a flower.

and fruit, and then you have seeds, plural, and you have shoots and leaves and roots and flowers and fruits and more seeds. And it's unbelievable how if you can stay with that in a local church, you know, it's very hard to stay with it, though. There's so many shiny things, you know, there's so many distractions. There's. And, of course, of course,

Rob Paterson (10:38)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (10:38)
Mm. Yeah. Yeah.

Mm.

Rob Paterson (10:52)
Mm.

Jason Allison (10:53)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (10:59)
Yeah, well, in-

JD (11:00)
Go ahead.

Rob Paterson (11:02)
JD, when you're talking, like you're saying, it's so basic, right? I mean, if we can just, as God's people, remain at home in His word consistently, man, the seeds and the ways the kingdom's gonna multiply in and through our lives are just unbelievable. But I've often said, even as a local church pastor, mean, when I started in ministry three decades ago,

It was, you know, like if you said something that was questionable, people come talk to you afterwards. Like, I don't think that's true nowadays. Like there's very few people who have kind of even any biblical mooring or sense of what the scripture says. Cause people just aren't reading the Bible the way that maybe they once were. And so getting people engaged in God's word consistently is so transformative. I just love what you're up to.

And, know, I'm kind of curious, you know, what, what is the wake up call and how did it prompt you to start publishing your writing?

JD (12:04)
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it comes out of Ephesians 5 verse 14. And already what you got there in Ephesians, you have a letter that's probably, you know, 50 years into the church. And they're already, it says right there, this is why it is said, this is a saying in the earliest days. Wake up.

Jason Allison (12:20)
Mm-hmm.

JD (12:31)
sleeper rise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. And it tells us that in those earliest days, people were drifting off to sleep. They were drifting. They were already going to sleep, pulling away, slipping back and

Rob Paterson (12:32)
Mm.

Jason Allison (12:33)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (12:44)
Mm.

JD (12:54)
How much more now, you know, is that same thing true? And, you know, rise. So I say, wake up sleeper. That's the call to consecration. And every day we pray this prayer on there. Jesus, I belong to you. Right? I belong to you. This is so core. I lift up my heart to you. I set my mind on you. I fix my eyes on you.

Rob Paterson (12:56)
Hmm.

Hmm.

JD (13:19)
my body to use a living sacrifice. And then we say, Jesus, we belong to you. That's the wake up part. Then the rise from the dead. That's the transformation part. You know, I think for the longest time in my Christian faith, I sort of suck the Christian faith as a good to great program. You know, I'm going to try harder to do better, to be more.

Rob Paterson (13:21)
Mm.

Mm.

Jason Allison (13:39)
Hmm.

JD (13:47)
And I have learned that it's not a good to great program. It's a death to life program. It's a darkness to light. It's a chaos to new creation. And that's transformation. see, good to great is self-improvement. And I have encountered, just like you, so much Christian faith really in just self-improvement garb.

Rob Paterson (14:13)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (14:14)
Yeah.

JD (14:15)
just a

little bit of Jesus sprinkled on it. It's try harder to do better, to be more. And Jesus says, you know, this is the prayer I've learned. I got nothing, Jesus. You have everything. So how about if your everything meets up with my nothing? Because that'll be something. You know, just...

Jason Allison (14:22)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (14:29)
you ⁓

Jason Allison (14:30)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (14:37)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (14:39)
Yeah, I love that.

I love that.

JD (14:41)
come

into that. And it's just taken me a long time to get to the realization that I got nothing. ⁓ Because I think I got something. And so that's the transformation. And of course,

Jason Allison (14:48)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (14:49)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Allison (14:53)
Hmm.

JD (14:56)
That's rise from the dead and every single day, you know, we've had to wake up out of our sleep, physical sleep every day of our life. We have to go through that process. We get some coffee. We maybe take a shower. Maybe we exercise. We've had to do it. or unless we were in a coma. But the same thing applies in our faith and in our heart and our mind and even our bodies.

Rob Paterson (15:07)
Hmm

Jason Allison (15:08)
Mm-hmm.

Right.

JD (15:23)
We have to wake up to the presence of God in our life, to the reality of Jesus, to the indwelling Jesus Christ. And it doesn't just happen. And I've like a lot of my life, a lot of my days, I've sleptwalked through them. And so I'm trying to help people wake up every day to enter into the exchange of transformation, which is to say,

Jason Allison (15:29)
Hmm.

Rob Paterson (15:36)
Hmm ⁓

you

Jason Allison (15:46)
Mm-hmm.

JD (15:50)
I receive your righteousness, Jesus, and I release. You're going to displace my sinfulness. I receive your wholeness, Jesus, and I release my brokenness. I receive your fullness. I'm going to release my emptiness. I receive your joy. I'm going to release my despair. You see what I mean?

Rob Paterson (15:55)
Hmm

Jason Allison (16:05)
Yeah.

Yeah.

JD (16:13)
It's different. think for a long time in my Christian faith, I thought, well, I got to release first so he can then feel that's called replacement. No, it's displacement.

You can't let go of sin until you take hold of him. People, I think we get this wrong. And so consequently, we just stay referenced around sin and self. And awakening is about becoming referenced around Jesus and life in such a way.

Jason Allison (16:27)
Mm.

Rob Paterson (16:28)
Mm.

JD (16:43)
that the reality that he

says is true, sin has lost its power, actually becomes a reality in our life because he is the power. So it's reframed my understanding of repentance. then of course it moves to demonstration every day at the end of our podcast. I'll say, okay gang, we've got to get our seeds because we're about to hit the fields. And there's people out there we're going to come across today, all kinds of people.

Jason Allison (16:49)
Mm.

Hmm.

Rob Paterson (17:07)
Hmm

JD (17:11)
And we got to be ready to sow the seed. And sowing is just, you know, what I have, I give you, right? Freely I've received, freely I'm going to give. I'm going to be looking to encourage you. I'm going to be looking to build you up. I'm going be looking to hear what Jesus is saying over you today. And can I give voice to that? Anyway, that's more than you asked for.

Jason Allison (17:20)
Yeah, yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah. Well,

so no, no, this is great. mean, I so appreciate this and I appreciate the way, you're talking about engaging scripture and just growing, right? mean, sanctification, developing whatever you want to, you know, whatever fancy words you want to put there. But maybe tell me this. What is different, at least from your perspective, about your approach to studying the Bible? I mean, I'm hearing

Rob Paterson (17:40)
Mm-hmm.

JD (17:50)
Yes

Yeah.

Jason Allison (18:03)
Parts of it already, but and then of course you're the next the next one that's about to be released is on the Book of Romans. So maybe specifically regarding the Book of Romans.

JD (18:12)
Yeah, I mean, I'm not a Bible scholar. I value and appreciate Bible scholars, but

I find that in our lifetime, the gold standard has been studying the Bible, right? And having Bible studies, which really starts with a teacher and,

Rob Paterson (18:21)
.

Jason Allison (18:38)
an expert.

Rob Paterson (18:39)
You

JD (18:39)
right, an expert or an expositor and

And that's all fine, that's not bad, but what I have learned is that we need to back up. Like, so I've learned over the years this approach to scripture that I created a kind of a mnemonic. I don't know if it's mnemonic. It's not an acronym. It's, I use the five fingers of your hand.

Jason Allison (19:08)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

JD (19:10)
And so let's just say you start with the index finger. And the very first thing with the Bible, in each of these words, there's five, there are words.

Jason Allison (19:22)
Mm-hmm.

JD (19:23)
You actually, you have to read it. Oftentimes in Bible study,

Rob Paterson (19:26)
Okay.

JD (19:26)
you don't read the Bible. You, you, yeah, you're reading the commentary, which, and so the, what we've got to learn to do is let the Bible speak. And so we first read it. And when I say read, I mean out loud because our ears need to hear it.

Jason Allison (19:28)
Right, right. You talk about it, but you don't engage it.

Rob Paterson (19:29)
Hahaha

you

Jason Allison (19:46)
Yeah.

JD (19:50)
faith. You see, we've all been raised in a paradigm of reading and thinking. The Bible lives in a world of hearing and seeing. Okay? And we've all lived in a world of learning by information. The Bible lives in a world of learning by revelation. These are very different things. And so we read out loud so our ears can hear because faith comes by

Jason Allison (19:59)
Hmm. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (19:59)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (20:09)
Mm.

Rob Paterson (20:09)
Hmm.

JD (20:19)
And our goal here is not knowledge, right? It's knowing. Our goal is not amassing information. It's faith. Faith is the currency of this whole reality that we're in, right? It's like faith.

Jason Allison (20:36)
Yeah.

JD (20:37)
And that's the other thing that we have put so much focus on teaching people to believe in God.

but we have missed the mark of actually believing God. That's faith. Faith is believing God, right? And so we want to read and hear. just, and of course, you know, another way that I learned this from reading Thomas Merton, he said, when it comes to reading the Bible,

Rob Paterson (20:52)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (20:52)
Hmm.

Yeah.

Mm.

JD (21:09)
we've got to learn to cover less ground more slowly.

Jason Allison (21:13)
Mm. Yeah.

JD (21:14)
Okay. It's like,

we also kind of grown up in a culture is like, can we read it in a year? Or can we read it in 90 days? Can we, more is better, faster is better. I think it's the opposite. Less is more, slower is better. And so go ahead.

Jason Allison (21:21)
Yeah

Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (21:29)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (21:29)
Yeah,

I've got a friend who, and when I'm working with churches talking about developing things, whatever, I make it very clear. You can't get a breakthrough in the drive-through, right? You got to simmer on it. You got to let it soak. Yeah. So yeah, mean, exactly, exactly. Yeah. Thomas Merton says it with fancy words, but...

JD (21:41)
That's good.

That's good. It's not a microwave is a crock pot, right?

Rob Paterson (21:49)
That's right.

JD (21:51)
And so.

Rob Paterson (21:54)
Hahaha

JD (21:54)
It's,

we want, we've got to live with texts for long seasons. mean, back in 2000, I just, I just start, I just put a tent up. I just put a tent up at, the campfire of John chapter 15 verses one to 17, you know, and my tent wore out. And so I had to get an RV and

Jason Allison (22:02)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (22:02)
Mm.

Jason Allison (22:14)
Mm-hmm.

JD (22:18)
I'm still there. these are, and what happens, okay, so you read it. The second R, that's your middle finger. Ruminate. Okay? And ruminate is an agrarian term. It's a cow word. A cow eats grass and...

Jason Allison (22:20)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (22:36)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Allison (22:40)
Yeah.

JD (22:42)
swallows it, then in the first stomach it makes a cud, and then it brings the cud back up and chews the cud and gets the more flavor, and then it goes back down and back up. And this is the Bible's idea of meditation. When you just learn to turn these words and these images and these visionary pictures that Scripture is always giving us, you know, that's Psalm 1.

Jason Allison (22:47)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (22:47)
Mm.

Jason Allison (22:59)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (22:59)
Mm.

JD (23:12)
you know, but, his delight, and for me, it was always duty or discipline. No delight is in the word, the law of the Lord, the word of the Lord. And on his law,

Rob Paterson (23:18)
Mm.

JD (23:25)
he meditates day and night. And I'm like, ask people, when is that? Is it that five minute period in the morning when you're reading the devotion? It's all the time. And so you're.

Rob Paterson (23:26)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (23:28)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (23:31)
Yeah

Jason Allison (23:35)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (23:35)
Yeah.

JD (23:37)
And then, of course, where does he go next? This person is like a tree planted by a stream of water. It yields its fruit in season. Whatever they do, prospers. There's prosperity gospel right there. they do, prospers. Not so, not so the wicked, you know. And so Psalm one, right? If you read Psalm one, you've read all 150. So start there.

Jason Allison (23:42)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (23:43)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (23:54)
Yeah, with the wicked. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (23:52)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Allison (24:01)
Yep.

JD (24:05)
So ruminate, meditate, and I tell people like that's a it's a hot word, you know, it's a hot concept in our time, meditation, but that's an Eastern deal where you're trying to empty your mind. The Bible's idea of meditation is filling your mind with truth. And so that you can just have it now, but that are ruminate leads to this, this are.

Jason Allison (24:15)
Yeah.

Right.

JD (24:29)
This is a new word that I learned from one of my kids when they were little.

rememberize. Okay, he comes around the corner. We're teaching them to memorize scriptures when they're little. And he's like, Dad, I finally rememberized it. And I thought, you memorized it. And I thought, No, See, memorizing, again, this is another paradigm of our time. It's the it's the fast loading of the short term memory. And we just it's gone. Take the test. It's over.

Rob Paterson (24:36)
Hehehehe

Jason Allison (24:48)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (25:00)
Mm-hmm.

JD (25:01)
Remembrasing is the slow loading of the long term memory and it comes through reading and ruminating. comes through just that day and night. You're not trying to memorize it. You just are living in it and it has a way of becoming part of you, right? And this is how the word

Rob Paterson (25:07)
Hmm.

you

Jason Allison (25:18)
Yeah.

JD (25:23)
becomes flesh. You eat it. It metabolizes. This is what this is. I'm convinced the formation of Jesus, right? The boy Jesus. He's just doing this and and he's be he is the word of God at the same time. He's becoming it.

Rob Paterson (25:30)
Mm. Mm.

Yeah.

JD (25:40)
And so this is why, you know, my dad, he's, he's, he's 85 and he's losing his memory, like by the truckload.

Jason Allison (25:51)
Yeah.

JD (25:52)
But if I strike up our Father who art in heaven, bam. Or if we start singing hymns, which we sing every day, we sing a hymn on the wake-up call. And I get him in here with me and we sing, you know, on a hill far away, stood an old rugged cross, he's right there. And he'll get to a point where he won't know me.

Jason Allison (25:58)
Right. He can join right in.

Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (26:06)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (26:11)
⁓ yeah. Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (26:14)
Hmm.

JD (26:18)
but he will remember the Word of God because he's rememberized it his whole life. That's rememberizing. Okay, now the next R, the fourth R. Research. Research. This is Bible study. Okay, so you see, we have lived with this Word and we've let God speak through this Word.

Jason Allison (26:25)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (26:26)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (26:34)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (26:35)
.

Jason Allison (26:40)
Mm-hmm.

JD (26:43)
Let Him reveal things to us through this Word. And finally, we're going to pull up to a teacher and we're going to research means search again, right? We're going to, yeah, we're going to listen to what you've learned and we're going to hear how you're being taught. And in the current model of church, that's where we start.

Rob Paterson (26:50)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (26:54)
Yeah.

Right.

JD (27:09)
And it's not, I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I just think it's inadequate.

And because we are starting in the wrong place. And then what happens, what I've noticed as a pastor and as a part of the church is it just becomes a, okay, what's the next Bible study? What's the next Bible study? And we just keep getting deeper and deeper and deeper into the back rooms of the church building.

Jason Allison (27:27)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (27:27)
Hmm... Mm-hmm.

Jason Allison (27:34)
Yeah.

JD (27:34)
And I just don't see where it's going

Jason Allison (27:37)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (27:38)
Yeah, so good.

Jason Allison (27:39)
Yeah.

JD (27:39)
the fifth R, the final R is the thumb. Okay. Try doing, try picking up a pencil and writing with your four fingers. You really can't do anything with four fingers. It's amazing. But when you bring that thumb in, it's a miracle. You can do open heart surgery.

Jason Allison (27:53)
Mm-hmm.

JD (27:56)
Rehearse. Rehearse the Word of God. means you've got to do it. And that's James, right? Be doers of the Word. And that's Jesus. Whoever hears these words of mine and puts them into practice. Only difference in the person that built on the rock and on the sand, they both heard the Word. Only one practiced it. Puts it into practice. And so doing it.

Jason Allison (28:02)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (28:03)
Mmm.

Jason Allison (28:18)
Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (28:18)
Yeah.

Ugh.

JD (28:21)
And doing it seals the revelation. It brings the understanding. It witnesses to the power and presence of God in the world. And that's how other people come to believe when they see the Word of God by the Spirit of God, who is the Son of God moving in the world. And because I often say to people, I'm like, guys, you want to see what the Bible looks like in a person?

Rob Paterson (28:34)
Hmm.

Yeah, so good.

Jason Allison (28:44)
Yeah, I love that. I love that.

JD (28:50)
Jesus. He's the whole Bible incarnate in a human flesh. And you can just, you can hear his tone of voice. You can see how he sees people. You can notice who he's paying attention to and how he's dealing with them. And it's extraordinary. He is the, he is the coherence of the whole thing.

Jason Allison (28:53)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

⁓ Yeah.

Rob Paterson (29:16)
Yeah,

Jason Allison (29:17)
Yeah.

JD (29:18)
So those five Rs

Rob Paterson (29:18)
yeah, that's

JD (29:20)
is how I try to teach people and it's how I try to do it myself.

Jason Allison (29:20)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (29:25)
Yeah that's so good jd is you are i mean i heard this idea over and over again and i think you're right it's so counter cultural but it's so critical you know to slow down you know to do things more slowly to do it for real to let it really get into us and and ruminate you know some of my favorite bible teachers bible scholars.

what they do is they will literally pick a book that they read and read and read and study for an entire year and don't go like you said, you put your tent down camp there and that's how they just get this depth of experience and understanding, you know, just because I'm not going on to the next thing. I'm going to camp here for a long, long time. I got a staff guy who likes to say it this way. He says, you know, we live in a world where people are like, well, you know, don't have, I don't have time to do it.

JD (30:08)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (30:17)
you like I want to, and it's like, well, you can take the time to do it right or the time to do it again, you know, and, and we just sort of burn through these like Bible studies and experiences where if we just slowed down, I think like you were talking about the transformation and the rooting that it would have in our lives would just be so much deeper and more and more powerful.

JD (30:23)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah,

I know, Rob, that is right. And again, I'm critical of my own journey. And I just realized for how long my focus was on just kind of being sincere in that kind of piety, right? An expression of faith. And what I have learned and am learning is that it's about substance. And even like

Jason Allison (30:54)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (30:55)
Mmm.

JD (31:03)
I say things like this, I'm like, you know, guys, prayer is good, but the Bible is better. Because if you get the Bible, you'll get prayer. But if you just start with prayer, oftentimes you're just you're just worrying your anxieties in front of God. But if you get God's word in you, man, that's got power. It is substance. It's source. And I find that people

Jason Allison (31:13)
Hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

JD (31:32)
just they won't do it. They won't do it. They will stay at the level of their own kind of oomph and commitment. And I'm like, guys, this is not about becoming more committed. It's about becoming consecrated, which is to say, I belong to you, Jesus. You, I'm under your management. I'm not.

Jason Allison (31:35)
Right.

Rob Paterson (31:35)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (31:42)
Hmm.

Right.

Mm.

JD (31:57)
It's this movement from like Jesus, we got to help people move from Jesus help me to Jesus have me. Because that's the movement from saying Jesus, I need you, which is what we, I mean, we need him. You know, my little church every Sunday, we, I take prayer requests, you know, we can do that little church and we lift up all these desperate situations. And at the end I say, Jesus, you know, it's very clear.

Jason Allison (32:20)
Mm-hmm.

JD (32:28)
You know how much we need you. And I say, but Jesus, we want to make sure that you know how much we want you. Because Jesus wants to be wanted. He knows he's needed. mean, and I think about, think about us, right? We know we, people need us, but like, I want to know people want me.

Jason Allison (32:41)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (32:45)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (32:57)
Yeah. Hey, I want to get practical for a second for some of our listeners. There's a lot of pastors. There's a lot of church leaders. And just to steer it back to the book real quick, because I don't want to forsake plugging it a little bit. It's okay. We got you covered. But because I was looking through the preface.

Rob Paterson (32:57)
Hmm.

JD (32:58)
That's love!

Thanks. I'm a terrible marketer. I'm a terrible marketer.

Jason Allison (33:21)
in your book to Romans and it, you talk about discipleship being, more than gaining knowledge about Jesus, but instead it's about knowing Jesus. Right. And you want to, I saw this quote, it just stood out to me. discipleship always leads to inspiration, always leads from inspiration to attention, from attention to intention and from intention to action.

JD (33:32)
Knowing. Yeah.

Jason Allison (33:48)
As you're thinking about the pastors who are listening and they're thinking, what do we do with this? How do we do anything to help our church go through that process? What do you think, you know, as you're thinking through what you just stated there in your book, what does this mean and what does this tell us about discipleship and formation within the context of, you know, a local church? What can pastors learn and maybe even implement from some of this?

JD (33:48)
Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's why I started with, can we read the Bible together? Can we, as a church, read a common text? Can we be on the same page? Which, again,

Rob Paterson (34:27)
Hmm hmm

JD (34:33)
this is not like we're all doing this Bible study. No, this is like...

Like this, you know, this September 1st, I'm starting a series called The Gospels. And it's something I started doing several years ago. I just kind of had this realization that, I've read The Gospels. I thought, I've read those. Yeah, I get it.

Rob Paterson (34:41)
you

Jason Allison (34:57)
Mm-hmm.

JD (34:59)
And then I just slowed down and I said, I'm going to read chapter a day of the gospel, Matthew, and I'm going to go to Mark, Luke, and John. I counted them up. There's 89 chapters. So right there in 90 days, not that that's a race, but you're reading in this way for sort of sweep and plot and story. You're not doing D dives, but you're just trying to get

Rob Paterson (35:04)
Mm. Mm.

Jason Allison (35:07)
Thanks

Rob Paterson (35:27)
Mm-hmm.

JD (35:28)
like the very story of Jesus as your memory, right? Because your memory

Jason Allison (35:33)
Hmm.

JD (35:34)
will determine your imagination. And this is our script. His life is our script, right? That's why we call it scripture. And what we remember, we can imagine, and our imagination becomes our improvisational life. And we realize that Jesus is, He's our character.

Jason Allison (35:40)
Thank

JD (35:56)
Like for the longest time, I thought, well, the disciples are our character. I'm like, no, the disciples are not our character. Jesus is our character. We're being discipled into His character. We're learning how He thinks, His mind, His heart, His vision, His way of moving and seeing. And so I said, let's just start in September 1st. We're going to read the Gospels. And then when you get down to the end of them, John 21,

November 28th, start over, read them again. Keep going. Every time you read it, you'll see more, you'll hear more, you'll understand more. And so, as a pastor leading a church, that's what I'm doing. I'm like, guys, we're reading the Gospels. This is going to be... The Gospels are not an app we're putting on our phone. No, it's the OS. This is the operating system. And we've got to upgrade our OS here.

Jason Allison (36:26)
Hehehe.

Rob Paterson (36:26)
Mm-hmm.

Jason Allison (36:36)
Hmm.

Uh, mm hmm.

Rob Paterson (36:52)
Mm-hmm

JD (36:53)
I hate technological metaphors, but people understand them. And, and so I'm, I'm like, okay, let's, let's just trust the S I don't got a strategic plan. I don't, I don't have a real map of like, well, you're going to do this study and then you're going to do that thing and you're going to go on this mission trip. I'm like, I'm actually trying to say to people.

Jason Allison (36:55)
Yeah.

Rob Paterson (36:56)
Yeah, that's so good.

Jason Allison (37:05)
Mm-hmm.

JD (37:19)
guys, the action's not here at the church. It's out in your world. And I care more about you. Like I was down there doing the children's sermon one Sunday. said, guys, y'all think, y'all think Sunday is the big game or practice. they say, it's a big game. said, you know, I used to think that too. And, and I said, now I'm realizing that Sunday.

Rob Paterson (37:38)
Mmm.

JD (37:46)
is practice, said, so if Sunday's practice wins the big game and a kid says, Friday night.

Jason Allison (37:52)
Hahaha! ⁓

Rob Paterson (37:53)
Hahaha!

JD (37:54)
And I'm

like, yeah, but it's Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday. And the game is, I don't need you keeping to coming back to the church to do all the things. I feel like we have created so much gravity around our organization and around our building and our program. And I'm like, no, we just need people to come to practice, get themselves reconfigured into the shape of the cross and the mind of Christ.

Jason Allison (38:10)
Mm. Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (38:10)
Hmm.

JD (38:22)
then get back out in the field of their world. you know, in our churches, we've we've lost the plot. We don't know what the score is because what we're doing is keeping statistics of how many people came or how many participated. I'm like, that's a stat. I want to see a score, but we don't know what a score is. Right? Let me tell you a score.

Rob Paterson (38:37)
Mm.

Yeah.

JD (38:47)
This unbelievable, this farmer, since I've been here for two years and just so basic, just trying to help people read God's word together and get in the game. So one of these farmers in my church, he comes to youth group every Sunday night. I'm a children's pastor and a youth pastor. And so this guy, there and he starts leaving the youth group a little bit early.

Rob Paterson (39:08)
you

JD (39:15)
He's probably 40 years old.

He's going over to the next town, to the jail, to

do Bible study in the jail. The Bible studies that we're doing in the youth group, okay, he's just taken to jail. And in our church, we have...

Rob Paterson (39:27)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (39:31)
Mm.

JD (39:37)
We have little index cards, put them in all the pews and we write scriptures on those cards. I encourage people like, got to have a word from scripture for 2025. What is it? Write it down, write it down twice, keep one, bring one back. We're putting on the board up front and then write prayer requests and put them in the offering plate. The index cards, that's like our currency. He starts taking those index cards to jail. These men start writing their prayer requests. He brings them back to church Sunday at practice.

We put them across the altar. I'm like, guys, every card's a man kneeling at our altar. If you'll pray for one, come get a card. They're all gone. We're talking, you know, 30, 40 cards. They start praying for these men. Y'all, a week, so these men start writing on their cards. I want to get baptized.

Jason Allison (40:11)
Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (40:12)
Mm.

Hmm.

JD (40:25)
and last week we baptized our hundredth man in the jail.

Rob Paterson (40:30)
Hmm.

Jason Allison (40:30)
Wow.

JD (40:31)
I mean, unbelievable. And this farmer, okay, I went down there with him. I'm holding the towels. There's a baptismal font in the jail where they, in their orange suits, go under the water and come rise into new life. Talk about Romans, ⁓ buried with Christ. And Seth, my farmer, I'm like, buddy, that's a score. You are running up the score.

Jason Allison (40:35)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (40:41)
Ha.

Jason Allison (40:49)
Wow.

Mm.

JD (41:01)
And

I tell that story in church and it's just like mind blown emojis. And they're involved in it too. We had a communion day one day. I said, guys, we're going to take a communion rail offering and it's going to go to this jail work. $700 came into that little communion rail. Another man came up and said, I'm a match at, you know, here's what he does when he's about to have a baptism. He get all the names.

Rob Paterson (41:04)
you

Mm.

Move.

JD (41:28)
He'll drive a hundred miles to Little Rock, to Mardels. He will buy Bibles and have their names engraved on them. And present these. They didn't get those when they were kids. He gives them these Bibles. And I mean, this is the stuff. This is awakening, right? I'm like, I used to think a sign of awakening was the church growing. I don't think that anymore. I think the sign of awakening is the jail shrinking.

Jason Allison (41:37)
Mm-hmm. Wow.

Mm-mm.

Rob Paterson (41:42)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Jason Allison (41:57)
Mmm, that's good.

Rob Paterson (41:58)
That's right.

JD (41:58)
And that's what's

happening. The jail is shrinking and these men, what's happening, they're getting into six, seven, eight year long rehabs, places like John 3 16 and Arm 180, and they're getting free and they're recovering their lives and it's powerful. I'm like, that's what we don't need more stuff at the church.

Jason Allison (42:01)
Yeah, yeah.

Wow.

Hmm.

JD (42:27)
See, God's Word and God's Spirit by His Son gets out. I mean, once you get more of the stories you tell and you start, those are scores. And I feel like our church, we've got to help our churches. We have enough stat sheets. But as I said to my board one day, said, guys, I was...

Jason Allison (42:34)
Yeah.

Right.

Rob Paterson (42:44)
Mm-hmm.

JD (42:52)
part bragging about all the stats of our new company. And I'm like, you you can have some impressive stats when you started at zero. All the vanity metrics of how many followers you got and all the listens and all that. I'm like, guys, do you know who, who focuses on statistics? Losers. said, you know what winners focus on the score. And that's what we've got to develop a scorecard.

Rob Paterson (42:53)
Mm.

Jason Allison (42:59)
Ha

Yeah.

JD (43:20)
for church. We've lost it. We've lost the plot of that. And we're measuring things that they matter. But, but we don't know if they're winning, if we're winning or not. And I don't know. This is, this is, it bothers me. This is what

Jason Allison (43:20)
⁓ Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (43:30)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (43:37)
Yeah. Well, this is what I am. The more I work with churches, the more I'm finding that what you're describing is a frustration because they don't have a new scorecard. They they're still working with the old scorecard of butts and budgets. Right. How many butts in the seats? How many dollars in the offering? And that's what the score is. And we forget the scorecard.

Rob Paterson (43:51)
Okay.

Jason Allison (44:01)
Is transformation, as you put it, is life change, is the seed bearing fruit over time? Yeah.

Rob Paterson (44:08)
Obedience, action.

JD (44:08)
Yes, our

data is stories.

Jason Allison (44:13)
Yes.

Rob Paterson (44:14)
Mm-hmm.

JD (44:14)
is stories. started on the wake-up call. I started this thing where on Saturdays, I said, guys, we're going to have, I want to start telling Holy Spirit stories on Saturdays. And so I said, would you send me a story? And I just gave them all kinds of possibilities and I waited and I got nothing and nothing and nothing and nothing. And so finally one day I said, I'm just going to have to go out and get a story myself. And I went to, I went to Kroger's, what we call the dirty Kroger when I lived over in Tennessee.

Rob Paterson (44:26)
Hmm.

JD (44:44)
And I won't tell you the whole story, but it was basically a crazy incident happening in the parking lot with a mentally ill woman and cops and paramedics. And I just heard the Lord as I'm putting my groceries in my car, he said, I want you to go over there and intervene.

Jason Allison (45:04)
Heh.

JD (45:05)
I'm not doing that, Lord." And I argued for a while and...

Basically, I went over there, but I totally chickened out. It was a complete fail. And so I thought, I'm just going to tell that story. I told my Holy Spirit fail and the Holy Spirit didn't fail. I failed. And y'all the floodgates opened. The stories just began to pour in. And now I've got more stories than I can share, but you get more of the stories you tell.

Jason Allison (45:19)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (45:30)
Hmm.

JD (45:34)
And we've got to recover storytelling in the local church. Not about something that happened down here at the church, but something that happened out there on the field. And even helping people understand, like, this is not rocket science. is not the Holy, you know, God is working supernaturally all the time. Sometimes it's miraculous. Most times it's pretty ordinary.

Rob Paterson (45:35)
That's right.

Jason Allison (45:36)
Yeah.

Hmm.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (45:45)
Mm.

Jason Allison (46:01)
Yeah.

JD (46:01)
And so

learn to tell the supernatural in ordinary and learn to interpret like your life and your neighborhood. And it's, it's just, it's again, this is Jesus, right? It's like he, if he becomes our memory, he'll become our imagination. And then we'll just start doing Jesus things because he'll be doing them. and so, you know, the whole thing about like in action,

Rob Paterson (46:05)
.

Jason Allison (46:05)
Yeah.

I love that.

JD (46:26)
can't remember how we started it. Discipleship, intention, attention, action, all that. That can get in the way, mean, but you get my point. Like, just tell me a story. Don't preach or don't give me more preacher words. Just tell me a story of how it happened and let God interpret that story to me.

Rob Paterson (46:38)
Yeah.

Jason Allison (46:38)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, I love that. ⁓

Rob Paterson (46:43)
.

Jason Allison (46:48)
Yeah. Yeah. We, we, we rep, we replicate what we celebrate. And, and so, and we celebrate by telling stories. And so, yeah, I love that. Well, man, I honestly, JD, we could talk to you all morning and I would love it. And, and maybe someday we will, but I do have to bring this in for a landing so that our listeners ⁓ understand. yeah. Yeah.

Rob Paterson (46:48)
Amen.

JD (46:50)
and my imagination.

Rob Paterson (46:57)
Okay.

JD (47:11)
You know, what I would want people to do, what I want pastors to do

is join the wake up call. Just go to seedbed.com slash wake up call, one word. And you know, every Tuesday at one o'clock, I do a call. I do a zoom call with pastors. It's free. Anybody can come. And we work on sermons is what we do.

Jason Allison (47:23)
Mm-hmm.

Rob Paterson (47:36)
Okay.

JD (47:37)
And really, it's pastors who have, I mean, there's a lot of pastors who read the wake-up call. And then they get their churches to join in. And then what's happened, these pastors will say, well, what if I were to preach, just to start preaching out of what my people are reading every day? I'm like, that's a great idea. That's what I do. And so we...

Rob Paterson (47:41)
.

Jason Allison (47:47)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

So, give

that, give that website one more time. just want me, I'll put it in the show notes too.

JD (48:02)
Seedbed.

Seedbed.com slash wake up call. One word. And you know, that's where you'll hear about the, my books are not really books. They're just these journeys we take through scripture bound up on, you know, pages. And I've got a bunch of them. I've got a bunch of books of the Bible that

Jason Allison (48:08)
Yeah. OK.

Yeah.

Yeah.

JD (48:27)
Again, you could take these, get them in the, I mean, Sunday school classes do them. It's, it's, it's pretty basic. ⁓ but people are awake. People are waking up.

Jason Allison (48:29)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Well, I I've skimmed through.

Yeah, I've skimmed through the the Romans when I just just got a, know, well, I have the the pre release PDF. It's just the PDF that, you know, and it was a link to just scan through some of it. And I, you know, I just got it last night. So I was skimming through it real quick just to see. And I mean, it's so it it is it is truly a you read it together. You read it daily. You you you.

Rob Paterson (48:40)
Yeah.

JD (48:42)
You have it?

Okay, I haven't even seen it.

Yeah.

Rob Paterson (49:01)
.

Jason Allison (49:07)
Soak on it. All right you The the word you used, you know was ruminate But and it just over the course of you know, six days you're reading through it slowly and so and then you turn that into action

You know and I used to lead a men's Bible study and we always ended the session with everybody had to come up with their I will statement and the idea is after after engaging scripture like we just did I will What and that's kind of what you're doing, you know, you call it your intention

JD (49:27)
⁓ That's good.

Jason Allison (49:35)
And so same thing and I love that well at JD

Rob Paterson (49:35)
.

Jason Allison (49:39)
man This was so much fun and I don't know if you noticed but Rob and I were both scribbling notes That was not us doing anything just scribbling notes because we loved what you were saying. We wanted to remember it

JD (49:49)
way up.

Rob Paterson (49:51)
And I just subscribed, so...

Jason Allison (49:53)
There you go. So, know, we'll we are so appreciative of the work that you do of the, you know, just the time and the effort that you put into it. And I can just sense, you know, we'd never met until today, but I can sense in your spirit just that desire to see people grow and develop and mature, not because you're trying to turn them into something that they don't want to be, but because you want to help them become more like Jesus. And I love that.

JD (49:53)
some

Yes, I tell people all the time like I'm saying guys

we're not trying to make you religious We're trying to make you real. Jesus doesn't care about you being religious. He wants to make you real and

Jason Allison (50:23)
Right.

Yeah. Yeah. Well,

that's awesome. mean, honestly, I just so love that spirit. And I do think our listeners will appreciate that as well. And I do to the. Yeah. Yeah. Well.

Rob Paterson (50:33)
Yeah

JD (50:37)
I appreciate it. I love what y'all are doing and you're encouraging. You know, I once had this, this, this mentor of mine, he, was wheelchair bound. He'd suffered his whole life with cerebral palsy and he was

brilliant and he'd roll up into my office. was, everything was a challenge. Everything was hard for him and he would, he would come up and he would say, who will mend the cobbler's shoes?

Jason Allison (50:57)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

JD (51:04)
Okay. Who will mend

the cobbler's shoes? And that's what you guys are doing with Pat. These are the, these are the cobblers. They're fixing the shoes of all the people, but who, will mend their shoes? Well, Rob and Jason will.

Rob Paterson (51:09)
Hmm ⁓

Jason Allison (51:11)
Hmm.

Yeah. Aw.

Wow. Well, I appreciate that. That means a lot. that illustration is great. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, speaking of the pastors and leaders who listen, we appreciate you and we know that you do have things that you go through and you have an open line of communication with us. We would love to hear from you more ways that we can serve you.

Rob Paterson (51:22)
You ⁓

JD (51:26)
and pastors are in desperate need of encouragement.

Jason Allison (51:46)
And we just appreciate you and we pray for you and we can't wait to hear more stories of what God is doing of Holy Spirit stories from you. We hope you take a minute and share this podcast and maybe even subscribe so that you get it every week into your podcast system. We do love you and we look forward to talking with you next week. Have an amazing week.

Rob Paterson (52:07)
you