Serving The Gift: The Vehicle to your Calling with Marc Montgomery

What happens when God transforms your greatest weakness into the very vehicle for your calling? In this compelling conversation, host Clifton Ross Jr. welcomes Apostle Marc Montgomery who reveals his remarkable journey from childhood speech impediment to powerful prophetic ministry.

Both men explore the counter-intuitive spiritual principle that our weaknesses become our greatest strengths. Montgomery explains why every prophetic person must contend with ongoing pain: "People who receive a lot of revelation from God have to be prepared to deal with constant pain... because that's the thing that's going to keep you humble."

Parents will find particular value in Montgomery's insights about creating a "dream culture" in families—how normalizing spiritual experiences for children expands their imagination and establishes healthy spiritual foundations.

Whether you're wrestling with personal limitations, seeking to understand prophetic ministry, or desiring to create a spiritually vibrant family culture, this conversation offers wisdom that transcends religious formality and speaks to the heart of human purpose. Subscribe now and discover how God might be using your greatest challenge as a doorway to your destiny.

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Just Clifton 0:28

Welcome, welcome, welcome to the Summit Podcast. This is your host, clifton Ross Jr, aka Just Clifton. I'm here with another episode. As you know, we are in a series called Infrastructure and in this series we're talking about how to create a foundation for purpose, and I got my brother here, a longtime friend, with me on today. Apostle Marc Montgomery, he's in the building. He's in the building.

Just Clifton 0:54

Like we need some music, right. So he's in the building today and we're just going to chop it up real quick. This is going to be a really go with the flow episode. I mean, when me and my friend get together, we talk about different subjects, different subject matters and different things, and it always is centered around how to properly have the heart posture for this day and time, how to have the infrastructure for this day and time, how to be humble, how to have the grace to move forward in your destiny, your purpose. So I know this is going to be an awesome conversation. So I'm going to introduce to some and present to others, as the church folks say, my friend Marc Montgomery. He's in the building. Thank you, talk to the people.

Marc 1:38

Thank you for having me. I'm glad to be here, glad to share in this podcast with you and hopefully we can dig into some deep conversations. I guess Absolutely, absolutely See where it goes.

Just Clifton 1:54

But I'm glad to be here Absolutely. So I mean I tell the folks about a little bit how we became friends. Obviously it was through church and stuff like that. Like I mean, I know my perspective, I want to hear from your perspective, oh, how we became friends, yeah, so how we kind of connected and everything like that. I mean I know my perspective, I want to hear it from your perspective how we became friends, yeah, so how we kind of connected and everything like that.

Marc 2:10

You know what it just happened.

Marc 2:12

Yeah, I think when I came to the Ornation service, when you got ordained to become an apostle, or affirmation more so, and I didn't get a chance to talk to you on that day, I think I shook your hand and congratulate you on that moment.

Marc 2:33

I was invited to come and and so I think, over time, as I kept coming around, I got to know, you got to know, some other guys that were a part of that particular fellowship, that gathering that we were a part of, and I think you know we just kind of gravitated to one another and I think what was interesting about me connecting with you, some of the ideas you know that you had, that I couldn't really, you know, like it was in my head, but I think you had the ability to take it from here.

Marc 3:13

You know thoughts and kind of, you know, execute on some things, and I think you know having somebody like you in their life is very much needed, because sometimes you know you need somebody who can kind of take your thoughts, your ideas, get it out and kind of say you know what you might need to do, a, b, c, d. And I think that's where I acknowledge the fact that you know as much as I want to be a blessing. You were a blessing to me. You know, and me as much, and I think that was a balance.

Just Clifton 3:45

Yeah, for sure.

Marc 3:46

Where it was just was just, it wasn't you know, take, take, take it was, it was organic. Where you know, I feel like it was just a um, um, equally shared experience, and I think that's how it came, became over time yeah, I, I totally agree.

Just Clifton 4:04

I mean we were in certain like um, I guess, spaces with each other. Um, you know, before we actually was like man, you know, that's the next type of thing like that. I remember I guess the first time I met you was out actually in Wisconsin.

Marc 4:20

Oh, that's right, that's right.

Just Clifton 4:21

I forgot about that I forgot about that. You had a segment. You know Apostle Brooks had a segment and everything like that. I was out there fellowshipping and our family connected then and everything like that.

Just Clifton 4:35

So I think that was like one of the first instances where we uh were able to be in the same space and then it was another thing, uh, that apostle brooks that he did like this, uh this like weekly prophetic night thing that you, that you were a part of, and I think that was a powerful moment for me, because that's when I realized how valuable you were going to be in my life. I don't know if you know this, but you're probably one of the top, number one, top prophetic voices in my life.

Just Clifton 5:04

In my life and that comes from.

Just Clifton 5:07

That stems from just the way that you deliver the word of god, the way that you uh speak about, uh, the things that are happening in the earth, uh and you know, I still, to this day, have the voice recording of that that first time you ever prophesied to me amen, I, and I review that, I, I study it, just simply because I know what was said.

Just Clifton 5:28

Most of those things have come to pass, and then also, not only that, I feel like that, even the shift that's been happening in my life is still staying strong, and I think that that's something I kind of want to talk about too is that, when it comes to the word of prophecy, when you're delivering a prophetic word, people don't realize that this word might not be applicable to your life right now, but the person that prophesies to you might have a word for you that is going to prepare you towards the future. And talk a little to that how, when you're delivering the word of God, when you're in that space, when you're in that stance where God is using you in that aspect, what are some tips that you can give people to be able to deliver that?

Marc 6:16

And don't always feel like you have to deliver that.

Marc 6:19

I would tell any individual, you know, don't feel the pressure of, if God, give you a word, let it organically happen. You know what I mean. I've seen where people feel the pressure and hearing something from the Lord and it may be for someone in the moment and if it's for the moment, it just always for me. I think my experience, whenever I hear a prophetic word, I always say within myself to the Lord, you know like I'm maybe talking to myself, but it's an inward conversation that I have. God, if it's meant to be, let it happen organically.

Marc 7:07

I've been in moments where I'm in church service and the church service is about to get ready to come to an end and I say, lord, I hear this prophetic word that you want me to give to this person, but we're about to get ready to dismiss service.

Mark's Speech Impediment and Spiritual Beginning

Marc 7:33

Somehow, god, in that moment the pastor would say oh, by the way, we have Mark in the house, or Prophet Mark, whatever people call me, and hey, before we go, can he come forth and give a prophetic word? So I would always tell people that if it's genuinely from the Lord and if you are in a church setting, trust God, trust God, and I know it may sound simple, but it is trust God. And I've been in where I heard something and in the moment, in the atmosphere, I wasn't able to give it, but somewhere down the road I circled back and I was able to deliver it. So I would just say to anybody that's in a space, a prophetic space, where you hear something from God, is a waiting word. If it's a waiting word, I, in my experience, feel like God is going to allow it to happen genuinely.

Just Clifton 8:31

Yeah, for sure.

Marc 8:32

And you don't have to force it, and that's just been my experience and I would just tell anybody just let it happen. And if it doesn't happen to me it's going to happen. Just know God's going to find a way for it to circle back around.

Just Clifton 8:50

Yeah, and. I think that's a point where people need to realize that that is from God. When God does that circle back and you get that opportunity, it's like okay, God, you confirmed this. Not only you confirmed it in my heart, you're confirming it to the people around me as well, that this is something that needs to be released Right.

Just Clifton 9:12

I think that's important, because one of the things that I would say for myself, like you know, when I'm delivering the word, it's like you know knowing when to to pull back, but also knowing when to deliver as well, and I think that's a very important stance and position to be in in ministry and I want to kind of talk about that too, your ministry journey as well. Let's speak to the people around where you began, when you got saved, Just kind of like the progression. You know what I'm saying how.

Marc 9:46

God got you to this point now. Well, that's a great question, and I'm trying not to be too detailish, but I can describe it. Number one my mom had three boys. Three boys and in her salvation process I was born. So it allowed me to get the church experience that my first two brothers did not get, and I think so I was. I grew up in church. I'm a church kid, I think. The other thing was that around about three or four years of age I developed a speech impediment. Yes, and I talk about this a lot, I had no intentions of becoming a public speaker on no platform. My profession I really was interested in is becoming a math teacher, and I really wanted to become a math teacher just because I was very good at math. But the problem was with becoming a math teacher, I had to stand before the class and talk and I always had that in my mind, like if I have to talk, I don't want to do it. So I canceled out becoming a math teacher because I didn't want no standing.

Marc 11:08

Kids are ruthless right so I just canceled anything that had to do with public speaking out of the equation of me doing it right. So I you know, over time I became an accountant. I said, oh, I can do math and become an accountant, I don't have to talk to nobody, right? But I had no interest in becoming a public speaker. It was around about four or five I was going to speech. No interest in becoming a puppet speaker, it was around about four or five. I was going to a speech therapist and I didn't stop going to a speech therapist until junior high, close to junior high, gotcha. But it was around about four or five or six. My pastor at the time, bishop Willie J Chambers, love him after life, gone to be with the Lord just earlier, late last year yeah.

Marc 12:04

And he prayed for me and he took a handkerchief. He put some blessed on in a handkerchief and as a little boy I'm never going to forget this he made me open up my mouth and I'm like, what are you making me open up my mouth to do? You are not that old school yeah, that old school Taking an olive oil and putting it in a handkerchief. And he told me as a little boy and when you, when you're a kid, you have crazy faith, right, you don't really think about germs and all the stuff we think about today. And I opened up my mouth and he took that blessed oil on that handkerchief and started rubbing it inside. And then I'm like you're putting your hands in a kid's mouth.

Marc 12:47

But he was praying in the Holy Spirit, in the Holy Ghost, and praying, and he quoted Ephesians 1 and 8. And, never going to forget this, the Lord allowed the eyes of his heart, allowed the eyes of his understanding to be open, and so that's the scripture that I always live by and, of course, that's the premise to the book that I wrote. And so here's the fascinating thing about that as my journey went from there, I went home and all I kept telling my mom look, you know, and I had asthma, I always was stopped up, so you know. And I had asthma, I always was stopped up, so you know. And then I had this speech impediment.

Marc 13:34

So I was like Mom look, I can talk, I can talk.

Just Clifton 13:36

You know, and my mom can tell the story way better than I can.

Marc 13:39

She remembers the story and she recalled I went home that day, a shy little kid telling her I can talk, I can talk.

Marc 13:45

A shy little kid telling her I can talk, I can talk. And the other aspect of our church was my church at the time was not a part of a denomination, we were non-denominational. Okay, and at that time Bishop Chambers had some connections and he would bring in these prophetic people into the church and apostate prophetic people, you name it Right People from all over the globe. One of those individuals would be Bishop Hammond. Oh yeah, he has a close relationship at that time with Bishop Bill Hammond and so he had all these prophetic and I, just I was just so fascinated with the idea of looking at these people who can declare the word of the Lord and and and, and you know, say it with such accuracy, right and um. But I disregarded it because of course I'm the kid with the speech impediment, and I said, you know, and I got a prophecy when I was a kid about rising up, becoming a prophetic voice and I said no, not me.

Marc 14:54

Because, again, speech impediment is just always in my mind. And so what was fascinating was when I went home I told my mother that I can talk. I can talk. I'm anticipating my speech to get better, but it got better in a different way, because one of the things that speech impediment how it affects a kid is you don't want to express yourself, it's hard for you to take ideas in your head and put into words. So my grades suffered in elementary. It's elementary.

Marc 15:34

Elementary is nothing but basic math, basic reading, understanding, and for me it was difficult because I could not express myself thoroughly. So when we read books and a teacher would ask what happened in this page, as simple as it sounds, when she read the book, I did not have the vocabulary to put thoughts into words. And so up until all the way up to sixth grade, my grades suffered. To this day I don't know how I made it through my elementary years, just because it was always difficult for me to comprehend things. Well, I won't say I said, I said I said like I don't know how, I know how, and this is how God got me through when he lay hands on me and he quoted Ephesians 1 and 8,. How God got me to verbalize my thoughts was not trying to comprehend things audibly, but to comprehend things visually. I was probably back in the day the first idea of a visual learner. I'd be sitting in class listening to the day the first idea of a visual learner. Right, right, right.

Discovering the Prophetic Gift in College

Marc 16:49

So, I would be sitting in class listening to the teacher and as she was teaching, or whatever the teacher was, male, female, whoever it was, whatever they were teaching I would actually see visions play out right before my eyes, right behind the teacher, on the chart board or just in the air, and I began to understand what she was teaching. Based on those visual encounters. That's good, so like, even when I was sitting in church at a young age, like I'm saying, I had more of an interest of sitting in normal service instead of going to children's church, because I felt like I understood what he was preaching on the pulpit, because when I was sitting in service, I would have visual uh, visual expressions played out before my eyes while bishop was preaching, and so like if he was talking about the Holy Spirit, one of the ways the Lord taught me the Holy Spirit I will feel sprinkled water on my, on my arm. So whenever, so whenever, god was trying to teach me how the Holy Spirit operate, or teach me the concept of Holy Spirit out outpouring, I will feel raindrops and I will understand that Holy Spirit pour out like rain. Or one time I was in service I would see rivers flow down a particular aisle to the altar and God would just teach me different concepts about Holy Spirit and concepts about his word by visual expression. So when I started having these visual encounters now I'm able to take thoughts into word because I had a picture to associate with it.

Marc 18:41

Right, that's good. And and it would freak people out when I would tell them that Right, because they didn't you know. You know, we talk about visions, we talk about spiritual encounters, but when I was actually telling people that I was having them, it was all of a sudden became spooky. Yeah, and I'm just like well, we preach about this over the pulpit. Yeah, what makes it so spooky? Is it spooky because it's coming from a child or is it spooky because we preach about something that we really didn't experience?

Marc 19:37

you, know what I'm saying and I think that's what it really is, yeah, that we preach, we preaching about something that we truly have not experienced, and so, uh, it was very traumatic. It was. It was a good thing, but it was also a traumatic thing because, even though god was building my capacity to learn, on the other hand, I had nobody to defer to that's good.

Just Clifton 20:01

So, um, I'm gonna jump in right here because I you said a couple of things that I kind of want to reiterate. I think one of the things that bishop did inadvertently with that encounter that you had with him, I think one of the things he did, he gave you permission to be able to walk in your calling On the most basic level, because, it was just, it was essentially supposed to be about your speech but, essentially, it was about what you see Exactly.

Just Clifton 20:31

A lot of times I feel like this I preached a sermon one time. It's called Put Down your Staff. And I was dealing with Moses at the Barnard Bush how, when he had that encounter with God, he was making all these excuses about you know, not being able to speak, not, you know, being slow in speech, all these different things in the presence of God. And God was like look, I gave you a staff in your hand, use the. All these different things in the presence of God. And God was like look, I gave you a staff in your hand, use the staff. But God, his intention wasn't for him to only use the staff, it was for him to be able to use his mouth, to be able to speak the word and we know this from when.

Just Clifton 21:04

The encounter when God told him to speak to the rock in in, in numbers, and what did he do? He used that same staff as the crutch and struck the rock instead of speaking to the rock. So I believe that encounter that you had with Bishop allowed you to be like you know what. I'm going to accept my calling and I'm not going to allow something that I think might be something that will hold me back to hold me back. Right, and that's something important I think people need to understand. It does not matter where you are, it doesn't matter what type of thing that might seem like a hindrance.

Just Clifton 21:39

Yeah, it does not matter Any of that God is going to use you and he's going to use you for a mighty thing, right. I have seen, like I said, I have seen the words that you have spoken over people, how it came into fruition in other people's life. I have seen the word of knowledge and just the way that you study the word and the way that you deliver the word, how that has impacted people's mindset about the word of God. So those type of things are super important. But if you didn't have that encounter, you didn't embrace that encounter, right, what would have came from that Exactly? So I think that's you know. When you said the part where people was thinking it was spooky and stuff like that, that's because a lot of people are not going to a church. For what can I do to live out my purpose?

Just Clifton 22:23

They're going to church just as a routine, and when you go as a routine, there's never going to be a point where you're going to understand the true essence of where you're put on this earth for exactly so and I think that's that's.

Marc 22:35

I think you said something just in that, when you talk about the, the mold has been able to evolve from speaking, uh, striking the, the rock with the staff, to speaking to the rock, and what I had to learn how to do is move beyond just having visionary encounters but to embrace the side of where I can now hear God and speak it. That's it, because there was a long time. And where, uh, what am I supposed to do with visual encounters? Right, and I think God was just using that to to help me to to embrace, embrace this whole world before my eyes. Right, because, again, when I was in that state of where that speech impediment impacted me so much, I didn't embrace a lot, you know, I just said give me something I can do that doesn't require me to talk.

Marc 23:33

Wow, and when God began to impact my visual world, I started seeing skies to limit. So, eventually, what my eyes was close to, now my eyes are open to. And now, over time, I have evolved into doing much more than just having visual encounters. Now I'm embracing the prophetic side, where now I hear the Lord. Okay, let me deliver it.

Just Clifton 24:05

You know what I mean?

Marc 24:06

Yeah, exactly, and I think that's the thing that Moses missed. Is that God just put the staff in your hand, like you just said, just to get you started to get you going just so you can start seeing skies and limits, because you weren't going to go unless I give you, like the Mshigalpeer, those, what you call those.

Just Clifton 24:25

The oh, the Kaseemah, those, what you call those, the oh, the whatever.

Marc 24:34

Yeah, yeah, you know, to trick you like that was just a trick, to feel like you had this magical power, which really it wasn't right. It was really just to get you going and to get you to embrace, you know, what God has really got. And I think for me that was kind of what my beginnings were Like. I, you know, dreams, vision. Okay, well, I can stay in that. But god said, the more I want you know, the more I had it, the more I started seeing me functioning in other capacities. So I think that was a very, uh, good way of using moses and I'm like that makes a lot of sense.

Just Clifton 25:06

Yeah, for sure, you know. You know he wanted him to. He always wanted him to speak right. Just like he always wanted you to speak Right, but he gave you visions first, right as your staff, until you were ready to operate.

Marc 25:20

To operate in what he really wanted me to operate in, and that's the whole thing, and you got to remember this.

Just Clifton 25:35

That was the instance where Moses missed his opportunity to make it to the prophet's land. You know, exactly because he, because he, 50 years later, still speaking.

Marc 25:39

I mean still striking instead of speaking. You know what I'm saying so.

Just Clifton 25:40

So it's one of those type of things that I really uh and even and that was the second instance, because the first instance god did tell him to strike the right, right, so it's one of those situations where we have to realize that God is going to, he's going to want you to fulfill your purpose Right and you have to be able to get over whatever it is. You know, whether it's speech, whether it's that you didn't get the grades in school, whether it's you felt like that everything that you touched was a failure at some point. Whatever it is, whatever um was holding you back as the, as you see, as a hindrance for your life, god is still going to use that for his glory. He's going to make it to walk into your purpose that's right.

Asking Questions to Hear God's Voice

Just Clifton 26:21

So I think that's a huge thing to for people to understand. So, so fast forward a little bit. Okay, now, now you got these, uh special abilities. So now you got those special abilities and God is using you, uh, in the aspect of um prophesying. Uh, you know when? When do you say in your life did you accept that, uh, that calling of, like? Okay, god, you know, now I have to walk to walk into, uh, the fullness of this purpose that you got for me. I know you wrote about in your book, you wrote about your different experiences and that and we can talk a little bit about that as well yeah, uh, but when do you say that you really experienced that?

Marc 27:02

I think, uh, and I did write this in my book, but I don't mind sharing it because I think the turning point for me was I was so used to god gracing me with visions, right, and I got spoiled because I just like that when and what I mean by being spoiled meaning I'm thinking this ability is for me so selfishly. I'm not thinking about serving the gift, I'm only thinking about what it has done to benefit me. Remember, I had this gift and it took me from being a barely getting a D or C in the class to now I'm getting good grades, because now it has my comprehension. It wasn't until I got into college where God started saying now I need you to start serving a gift. And it was when I was at the library. And I was at the library with this young lady and with my roommate and God would just start giving me visions, just in different places. But the first time it ever happened, I was at the library and God started. It was like this flickering light, and it was like a lamp, flickering off and on, like a light bulb, and I said God, what you know, I'm having this inner conversation Right now, even though I'm young.

Marc 28:29

I'm kind of now understanding when to ask God certain questions, yeah, and so now I'm just like, okay, god, what does this mean? Like, why am I seeing this right? And that's when he told me to ask the young lady does she sleep with a nightlight on? And I just thought that was the most bizarre question to ask A young lady that I probably have not known no more than two weeks, three weeks, you know, at that time because I was just entering into college at that time and you know you just kind of trying to get to know people to see if this is going to be a long-term frame throughout your college duration. So I'm like God, this is not how you meet a friend or get to know a person by asking if she sleep with a little nightlight on.

Marc 29:14

So I asked a young lady. To kind of cut straight to the point. I asked a young lady does she sleep with a nightlight on? And she said yeah, I do. How do you know that? Um and uh, and she, she said, yeah, I do, how do you know that? And I said that right now you know I'm talking to God and God want me to tell you that he's going to restore your, he's going to make you feel protected at night, to eventually sleep with the nightlight off. And and she just said how, what make you say that? And how and how do you know that it have anything to do with me being protected? And I said that's a good question.

Just Clifton 29:55

God Can you answer that.

Marc 29:58

I was like, can you answer that question? And the Lord spoke to me in that moment and I didn't think he was going to respond so fast, but he did speak to me in that moment. And I didn't think he was going to respond so fast, but he did speak to me in that moment and he told me to tell the young lady that she got violated when she was a little girl at night and she never since then turned off the nightlight and when she got into college she was still sleeping with the light on, and so God wanted me to minister to her. He said God's going to restore the feeling of being protected to where you don't have to sleep with the nightlight on. And I began to tell her everything that was done to her and what that did to her, and she just began to just throw up Meaning. She just began, began to share everything and she went back.

Marc 30:51

This is the craziest thing. She went back to her dorm, told her friends about me and I was asked to do a revival On the campus, on the school campus At the time of school, and all of her friends that she told came to that service. And in that service I prophesied to two of her friends and what I ministered to them, and I don't remember exactly what I prophesied to them about, but they walked away and went back to the young lady that was at the library and said you are right. And I was like the library and said you are right and I was like whatever that means, I'm glad and I couldn't take credit, but that was my coming out, you know, to learn how to minister the gift, because up until college I selfishly thought the gift was for me Wow, and so up until then I didn't thought the gift was for me, wow, and so up until then I didn't serve the gift until I got to college.

Just Clifton 31:54

That's serve the gift. That's great. That might actually be the title of this episode. To be honest with you, serve the gift. That's amazing. I want to kind of break that down a little bit, that experience, because I think sometimes people don't realize when you are prophesying that god might only show you in part, yeah, yeah. So speak to that a little. Like you know, sometimes we god doesn't show you the whole picture and how, how, how people can understand, like you know that reference, you know that, that standpoint.

Marc 32:26

I think the reason why God shows you in part so you can ask questions, that you can go to him, ask the source to the lot of, to the questions that you have. I think if we know everything arrogantly, we will not feel like we need him and I we will not feel like we need him. And I think the reason why God shows us in part is so we can ask the right questions and he can become the source of answers for that question. And so I think that much as no, that's not the scripture I want to. It's a scripture in Matthew that talks about, and it is centered around about, God speaking, and it talks about as much as you I can't think of it right off the top of my head but it talks about how much you put out there is, how much you're going to receive right.

Marc 33:31

And I tell, the secret to hearing the voice of God is asking questions. I tell people the first thing they tell me I don't dream. I don't dream. I say the reason why you don't dream is because you won't ask God the questions for the little vision you saw.

Just Clifton 33:50

You get what I'm saying.

Marc 33:51

Yes, you're not going to have more dreams if God can't trust you to come to him to ask questions over the little dreams you have. And what have made me become a recipient of dreams or the voice of God, to see a dream, a vision, or just his voice grow? It starts out by saying you know what I remember? One time God gave me a dream and it was just for five seconds. And that five seconds it was short. It felt five seconds. It may have been five to ten seconds, but in that short period of time I asked the Lord what in the world did I see? God love those type of questions. Yes, because that means here come the next part, here come the next part here come the next part right.

Marc 34:40

And so I think the only real reason why he talks to us or show us anything in parts is he want us to be hungry. Yes, to to want to search it. The bible says that it's the king that searches the. The searches the thing, right, what was it searches? And so such is the matter. And so if we are kings in the kingdom of god and you know for those women who don't like the king, reference the queens in the kingdom of God and you know for those women who don't like the king.

Just Clifton 35:09

Reference the queens in the kingdom of God.

Marc 35:11

If we are kings and queens in the kingdom of God, then the first, the byproduct of that is you. Your job is to search out a matter, it's your job to search. So we, if we believe in living in the kingdom, then we have that innate thing that we not satisfied with bits and pieces, we're not satisfied with the crumbs, we want to know what the next thing is and we know to seek the Lord for that next thing.

Just Clifton 35:40

That's good, that's good.

Just Clifton 35:42

I think what's powerful about what you said is that I, I believe what we do as human beings um, and you referenced this and what you said that we tend to, uh, get in our own way. I know I do for sure, like I, I get to a point in my life where I feel like I have so much knowledge that I forget where I got the knowledge from. Yeah, I forgot who the source is. Yeah, and it almost innately sets us back, because one thing that I'm working on this year for myself is that I'm like everything that you put in my hands, lord, I want to be able to handle it Right. So, in order for me to handle it, that means my hands got to be bigger than me, that your hands have to be under it.

Marc 36:26

Yeah, you know what?

Just Clifton 36:27

I'm got to be bigger than me that your hands have to be under it. Yeah, you know I'm saying so. That's one of the things that I'm really trying to focus on, to work on, and the way that you get there, like you said is, asking those questions is, uh, putting yourself in a position to receive. Uh, pay attention to the little details so that where, when you ask questions about those little details, god can trust you, but with bigger and greater details, or expand your knowledge and your realm. Think about the prayer of the devas enlarge his territory. That was a simple prayer.

Just Clifton 36:54

What's crazy is that his name means bring pain. I think that is important to understand, because he was like I don't care what people think about me, I don't care what my name means. I want to make sure that you enlarge my territory and I'm going to make sure that the things around me is being blessed, because that's who I am. I'm taking on the, I'm taking on the framework of you. So, even though I understand where I made it, I may have came from, I'm still going to, I'm still going to make sure that I'm referencing you in this I'm glad you brought that up about brain pain.

Marc 37:32

Every prophetic person and I believe the body of Christ should be prophetic, so this might apply to everybody. Yeah, for sure, every prophetic person has to deal with a certain level of pain and weakness. And that goes back to what you were saying about Moses, and I can correlate this to my experience. The reason why Moses got to a part of where he couldn't speak to the rock, because he was still always confronted by his pain, by his weakness, because he too, had a speech impediment.

Creating a Dream Culture in Family

Marc 38:09

Right, and think about Paul. Paul, a thorn hit him because the scripture said that Paul was receiving so much revelation that God put a thorn in his side. Because that level of revelation you can get beside yourself, yeah, and think you know it all. Yeah, and so you know. I think, even for me, as a prophetic person, what people don't realize, I still struggle with speech impediment. Like new platforms, new venues that I speak, people ask me to go speak, like I gotta go speak at this church I never spoke before at and it's a new platform for me, right. And the first thing that I'm confronted by that four-year-old, five-year-old speech impediment. Every prophetic person is going to always be confronted by their pain.

Marc 39:10

And again, and I think the center of what I'm saying- is always stay connected to the source, which is Jesus Christ, right, the Holy Spirit, right. And you know, like I said, we talked about understanding parts, right, it's nothing but to get us to go to the source. That's it. We talked about understanding parts, right, it's nothing but to get us to go to the source. Confronted by pain, it's nothing but to get us to be connected to the source, right.

Marc 39:37

So God has a way to say you know what, as a prophetic person, because I pour out so much of heaven's knowledge upon you, I have to make sure you stay humble enough to stay connected to the source, the person who's giving, Remember, prophets. It's not coming from them, it's coming from God. We are the mouthpiece of God, of course, and so I just think that you know. It's so interesting you just said that and that just dropped in my spirit that people have to be prepared. People who receive a lot of revelation from God have to be prepared to deal with constant pain, repeated pain, because that's the thing that God knows you can identify with and that's the thing that's going to keep you humble. So, if you want to humble me, start talking about my speech, Start talking about I messed up words, start talking about.

Marc 40:29

You know, I stumbled right and I started getting into myself, because that is a constant pain that I deal with. But what it does, it doesn't call me to fall out of God. I say God, I don't want to do this, no more.

Just Clifton 40:45

I just go to God and say, God, just make me better, Make me better and I think that's the biggest piece too is that it's definitely things that I get on my own way about. I'm not going to even hold you on that. I'm a type of person because I am so creative, sometimes I get stagnated in my creative ability because I feel like I don't have the capacity to handle it, and that's why I said, like God, whatever you put in my hands, allow me to hold it. Yeah, and I need your hands to hold it Right, because I feel like a lot of things I like I have a lot of reference and I have friends that hold me accountable all the time.

Just Clifton 41:23

They're like hey, like, hey, you know, you said you don't do this, you ain't do that, you know whatever, you know what you know, whatever it may be, and I feel like for me I think I resonate with what you're saying about the pain part is that I always go back to that, but now I feel like where God is taking me, I can't stop and I appreciate you saying that, because that gave that basically gave me another win to be like hey, oh, you're on the right path and that pain is still going to be there.

Marc 41:53

It's going to be there for the rest of your life.

Just Clifton 41:57

Just like it was a thorn for.

Marc 41:58

Paul, it's going to be there for the rest of your life.

Just Clifton 42:03

So you know, recognize that it's there and just go to the source.

Marc 42:06

And the source is going to get you there.

Just Clifton 42:08

I think that's. I think that's very important. I appreciate you saying that for sure. Uh, that resonated with me very much. Uh so so the other piece I wanted to talk about. Okay, so you know, uh, you had that experience in college. Uh, you know, you met your beautiful wife, uh, shortly after that right, yeah Shortly after that, uh, you know, you met your beautiful wife shortly after that, right, yeah, yeah.

Marc 42:31

Shortly after that, you know, you got a beautiful family I want to talk about that because you know one of my godbabies.

Just Clifton 42:35

I'm a little biased on her, I'm just going to say that. Yeah, yeah. But you know, talk about your family a little bit and just like that dynamic, you know, let's get into that a little bit.

Marc 42:44

You know, it's so interesting that when we talk about spiritual gift, how much I think god starts something with you and you think it's, you know it starts with you, and then that would be the end there. But a lot of what I've experienced, I see a lot in my kids and I, and one of the things that, uh, you know, we try to uh do in the house making a culture. You know, making a culture to where we normalize spiritual gifts, right, because, again, it was not normal for me, you know, I couldn't just walk up to somebody and say, hey, what do I do with this vision? Right? And so I have four kids, mark being the oldest, he's 12 now, malia is turning 10 at the end of this month, and Maddie, which is your daughter, is seven, and then Makai, which is four.

Marc 43:38

And then, of course, I've been married to my wife for 15 years, and so I would start with Talia. First, my wife. You know, what really connected us is when we first met. We met through a mutual friend and before we even saw each other in person, we spent about close to three weeks over the phone, close to three weeks over the phone, and I think what made that conversation or that connection so unique was we spent sharing and experiential intimacy.

Marc 44:23

And what I mean by that is just sharing our experience that we had in the Lord with one another. That's good.

Marc 44:30

And I never had a conversation with anybody, because normally when you try to get to know a person the conversation starts off trying to get to know them carnally, like what you do for a living. What's your favorite food and stuff like that? What's your favorite food and stuff like that? And for the first time, no-transcript. But the carnal aspect of her I got to know later. The spiritual side of her I got to know first and I got drawn to this young lady and not even been able to put my eyes on her Like I saw her through, you know, pictures, but like in the flesh I wasn't able to put my eyes on her Right.

Marc 45:18

And I just enjoyed the conversation and we would enjoyed the conversation and we would have lengthy conversation. And it was beautiful because, you know, I didn't talk about what's your size, what's your height, you know, it was just straight spiritual and I think that was reassuring from her because of course, you know some of the stint months that was attached to me because I came out of a particular church I won't name it but but didn't realize that that was part of the journey, but that was not only the journey, right?

Marc 45:55

For sure, and so it was just a connection, for sure, and so it was just a connection. And when she started talking and I started talking to her, she ran into the same issues that I ran into when it came to dreams and visions and stuff like that. And I'm just like you talking to the choir right and it just exploded from there to the choir right and and, and it just exploded from there and so, um, that's what really drawn me to, uh, my wife and um, and we sit back and still talk about, you know, hey, what you dreamed last night. What did you dream last night?

Just Clifton 46:31

even, to today, or what did you see?

Marc 46:32

what did you see? You know? Um, and then um, of course, out of our union. We have four beautiful kids, as I mentioned before, and one of the things that I really made it a mission in our household to do is OK, when you get up in the morning, I'm going to be a listening ear to listen to your dreams, right? No matter how crazy you think it is, it's not crazy to your dad, because I have had some crazy dreams, right? Yeah, and I just listen to them, even if in that moment, I don't have time for interpretation, or even if it's just a dream that I don't even know if I can interpret it, right, I just how I can only imagine some of the things that Macabre did Right.

Marc 47:18

Just a you know, a kid's dream. It's going to be very like a fantasy book, right?

Just Clifton 47:26

Yeah, yeah, you know.

Marc 47:28

So I don't try to interpret everything, but I think just listening creates a culture of normalizing what they see, right? Yeah, and I think that's very important because if you go to the story of Joseph, we don't realize, you know to pay attention to when he had dreams and when he was telling his dreams to his family. There's no interpretation. There is, I had this dream and they just knew. And they got angry with Joseph the moment that they heard his dream. And you're looking like, why are you angry, why are you upset? Because dream language or vision language was so normalized in their family. It was another language, so you don't need to interpret. I don't need to interpret your dream. I just know.

Marc 48:20

I just know your dreams, right, and when I was going through my phase, growing up, you know I got my mom last nerve and she just told me, flat out don't come to me with another dream and as a child, looking back and I don't hold that against my mom Because, again, there's just something we preach about but we really just don't know to the extent of like, what this really means, Right? So my mom just told me look don't come to me with another dream, don't come to me with another vision. I just don't know.

Marc 48:56

You know, and of course you get thrown in that class where you must have ate something, you must have watched something, and so I'm just stuck Right. So when my kids come to me about a dream, I sit and listen, even if I don't have an answer for them. So their dream would be normalized. So they come to me and say, hey dad, I had a dream last night. And I just say, what was it? You know. And now my wife, on the other hand, she expects an interpretation, she don't care what I got going on.

Just Clifton 49:17

I know what you want with my dreams too. Yeah, right, right, right, bro, I had this dream bro.

Marc 49:21

Right, she want an interpretation now, but with my kids they don't expect it, they just like the idea of sharing their dream and me listening, and I think every child does. So that's just really the dynamic with you know, my interaction with my family and stuff like that as I try to help them navigate through some other stuff, the realities of life and stuff like that, not just all spiritual, but you know all the aspects of it too.

Just Clifton 49:47

But yeah, you're creating a, like you said, the cultural way they just want to know.

Marc 49:52

Yeah, you know, and I think that's.

Pain and Weakness in Prophetic Ministry

Just Clifton 49:54

I think that's huge. When I think that's when you're establishing a family, one of the things is like what is that family dynamic going to look like now? So, because I'm not only preparing them for the now, I'm preparing them for the future as well, right, you know, and the experiences that they're going to have outside of my household, right, and I think that's super important to have a certain culture and have certain values like, okay, dream culture is something that's really important in this household. So, uh, we pay attention to dreams here and that, just going to, uh, it's this thing called, uh, epigenetics, which basically is the interpretation, it's a, the mental interpretation of trauma right so a lot of times.

Just Clifton 50:36

So, a lot of times, when um mother has someone's trauma in their life, it's transferred to the children through epigenetics, right, right, but we don't look at it on the other side. It's other genetic markers that, as we create in different cultures and different values in our life, that gets transferred to the children as well. Exactly, exactly, uh. So I think that's important to to really understand and in this aspect of interpreting dreams and creating a culture for your family, because creating certain values for your family is that this is not just about me and them now, it's about what the dynamic is going to look like for the future, right, uh? And I think if a lot of people focus on that instead of focus on the trauma culture, right, I think that I think a lot more people will be further along.

Marc 51:20

And I think dreams and visions are so essential to anybody, saved or not. I mean, I've talked to unsaved people, people who are in the kingdom of God, about dreams, and I think the beauty behind dreams and visions is it's the only thing that allow you to defy the laws of gravity. Yeah, that's true. In your dreams you're up there flying. No one can fly, yeah, but God would use that symbolism to teach you that sky's the limit, or something as simple as that. And I think dreams and vision is what sparks the imagination.

Marc 52:05

Because again, when I wasn't having it when I was a kid. I was limited to myself. I told myself constantly I don't want to do that, because I was incapable.

Just Clifton 52:14

When.

Marc 52:14

I started having a dream and vision life from a little kid man. I started feeling like skies were the limit. I can, too, become the next president of the United States right, yeah.

Marc 52:27

And so it's so funny to me that you know I would get parents, you know, in some of my sessions and like when I'm doing prophetic conferences or stuff like this, and I get more parents coming up to me than kids, and the parents would come up to me and say I don't, I don't dream, how do I help my kids who do? And I said the way you can help your kid is going back to embrace some of those old dreams that God showed you. Ok, yeah, I would tell those parents that, because watch this, bro, watch this Acts.

Marc 53:05

I think it's in the third chapter or the fourth chapter of Acts where it talks about that we have been given, that the Holy Spirit has been given to you and also to your offspring and your offspring and offspring, right? So we don't realize how that looks. How does that look? The moment that we step into the kingdom of God, there's a covenant made between us and Jesus Christ that says that even if your kids don't know the details of salvation, I'm going to start the path of spiritual encounters with them. So you got to realize while you're in your bedroom sleep.

Marc 53:49

God, holy Spirit, is in the other room visiting your child. Wow, he's opening up the imagination of your kids while they sleep in the other room. And the problem that I have with traditional Pentecostalism and traditional Pentecostalism? Other streams define it as the three step process, and there's the salvation process, sanctification process and then the spirit-filled process. Right, three-step process. If you stick to that process, you are limiting yourself from helping your child with a spiritual encounter.

Just Clifton 54:38

Why I say that.

Marc 54:40

Because in traditional Pentecostalism we don't start talking about the Holy Spirit until the kid get grown and get saved. That's true, and God is saying I'm speaking to the unbeliever before they become a believer. You know what I'm saying? I feel you.

Marc 54:58

I'm speaking to your sons and daughter before they can express the plans of salvation, before they even accept me. And so we have to understand that. Because we are in the kingdom God and his promises is falling to our kids even when we don't know it. So we have to be in a posture to prepare ourselves to help them navigate through their spiritual encounters. So for us to turn away our kids because we don't want to hear another dream, or to turn away our kids because we don't know how to interpret what they saw, is not doing them a favor. We have even we. If we don't have a response to them, just sit and normalize their experience. That's good. So their, so their imagination won't be limited. And I think dreams and vision really expands a child imagination.

Just Clifton 56:00

That's good, that's good. Uh, you said something that really sparked me. It kind of goes where I and I think dreams and vision really expands a child's imagination. That's good, that's good. You said something that really sparked me. It kind of goes where I was saying earlier about the epigenetics, because on the spiritual sense, you reference Acts, but it talks about in Deuteronomy how the sins of the father will go to the second generation. So it's interesting that in Deuteronomy it was this precedent that was set around, the negativity or the trauma that was built, but how in Acts it was referenced to. Okay, now there's a culture and there's a spiritual aspect that I want you to impart into your generation and your family.

Marc 56:34

And we will build culture around trauma. That's true, that's very true. If we build culture around the good experience, it can break that trauma. That's true, that's very true. When, if we build culture around the good experience, it can break that trauma.

Just Clifton 56:46

You know what I'm saying. That's good, it will break the trauma.

Marc 56:48

Yeah 100%.

Marc 56:49

And that's what I feel like for me, that, thank God, by God's grace, he allowed me to get the impartation I needed to grow in this thing. But most of the time, kids don't because we turn them away too early, just because we don't have language for something. Wow, that's it. And so a lot of times when I'm talking to parents, I say in order to help your kids, go back and embrace some of those childhood dreams the one that you disregard, because you can't help them if you don't believe what was shown to you. If you disregard your childhood experience, what can you say to your child when they come to you with theirs?

Just Clifton 57:33

Right.

Marc 57:34

So I admonish a lot of them to go back and revisit some of those old dreams and vision and to start by praying at night and say god, show me a vision show me a dream and then go and when you, when he shows you those dreams, then go back to him and ask those questions. That that's good.

Prophetic Word for Listeners

Just Clifton 57:58

That's so good. Oh, man, man, uh, this is so rich, uh, this is so rich. I think I want to, uh, I want to shift a little bit. Um, I think on if you up to it to release a quick word, uh, just over the podcast or what you're seeing now, uh, you know, in reference to what we've been speaking about, anything that Laura might be speaking to you about, if you can release a quick word, let's go ahead and try to get that music together.

Marc 58:27

Okay, real quick, I'm going to let you work it.

Just Clifton 58:33

I'm going to get it connected, okay, because obviously it went off, yeah, but I think that is important to kind of put a little bit more language to this as well, just because, simply, I do believe that God is doing something powerful in regards to dreams and you know, just just in general, like even if you want to have a word for the podcast or something like that, or what God, what God is showing you in reference to that as well.

Marc 59:08

So I, uh, I, uh. The prophetic word that God had dropped in my spirit, that I will release to the listeners, is that this is the season to start taking you yourself serious in this season, just because you've been, you know, you've been deferring, you've been, you know, kind of deflecting, and God said no, I'm calling you, I'm calling you in this season. I want you to start taking yourself serious, because God take you serious, and what you don't know is that the gates of hell have taken you serious. And so that means that you got to start embracing your difference and embracing your weakness. And I even hear the Lord said that, yes, your weaknesses, your weakness. And I even hear the Lord said that, yes, your weaknesses. I think a lot of times, a lot of people are trying to get rid of their weaknesses right, but weaknesses is needed to make you strong, to make you better, to stay connected to the source. So I hear the Lord said embrace your weaknesses, don't allow yourself to be defeated by your weaknesses, but allow your weaknesses to make you better, to make you stronger, to make you wiser in this season. But God wants you to start taking yourself serious. There's been a lot of deflecting, there's been a lot of false humility going on and where you feel like somebody can do something better than you. And God said but I'm still calling you, I'm still choosing you. Just because somebody else is doing something similar to you does not mean that you throw away what I've given you to do. God says I'm still calling you to do what I have ordained for you to do and that means that, no matter if somebody else is doing it or somebody is doing it in a certain way, there's a grace, there's an anointing for you to put your hands on that particular thing. So God says take yourself serious. Do not neglect this gift that I put inside of you. Do not neglect the call, the purpose that I put inside of you. There is a special anointing that's coming your way for you to do something that you've been putting off in time past. This is the season to take yourself serious, because you've been put on notice by the gates of hell and the reason why you've been taught out of doing that is because the enemy has been speaking to you, because he don't want you to do that. So God said begin to encourage yourself in the Lord, begin to renew your mind, begin to stir up the gift that has been put inside of you and go and fulfill what God has purposed you to do.

Marc 1:01:51

And as far as this podcast, I prophesy, in the name of Jesus, that God will pour out a fresh anointing upon this podcast. It won't get dull, it won't get stale. There's a reach that is going to take place, where you are going to bring in more notable speakers, more notable interviewees, and God is going to give you the language to begin to ask the right question. That's going to help the listener. And God says don't think it's strange of the fiery trout. That's going to help the listener.

Marc 1:02:20

And God says don't think it's strange of the fiery trial to have tried you in the past, because those things have gotten for you for this moment, have gotten you to this place, this moment, and so God is just trying to tell you to stay strong, stay encouraged, do not question yourself, do not second guess yourself.

Marc 1:02:41

Yes, you are going to be challenged with past failures, past weaknesses, but God says that the only reason why I'm doing that is so you can stay connected to the source, stay connected to me, and God is going to put a special grace upon this podcast and you will not. You will not fail, you will not lack. It's going to do what it has been set out to do. So trust God in this season. Trust God and he is going to do it for you, not you. He's going to do it for you. Not in your mind, not in your power, not in your strength. God is going to do it for you, and so God is going to give you means to grow this thing, to do it in a high level, and God is going to cause this and this podcast to operate at a five talent level, and I prophesy that over this podcast in Jesus name.

Just Clifton 1:03:37

Well, bro, I appreciate that, Um, that word, um, I receive, receive it. I receive all of it. I mean even the aspect when you were talking about how others are doing it. You still should do it, because I literally was having a conversation with a friend it wasn't you yesterday. Yeah, uh, in regards to that, you know it's uh, visions, it's things that I'm trying to accomplish this year, and I'm seeing other people rising up and doing it, and I really believe that God has called me to be a little bit different within that. So I know that God is working it out.

Marc 1:04:09

Yeah, that's right. So, yeah, and that's the word of the Lord in this season, for people just to do it, because, just because it's similar to somebody else, the grace is still different. The grace, the anointing that God put upon you is going to still be different and it's going to manifest different and people are going to receive it different, just because God's hand is on it and you're doing it because you're being yourself. You're being yourself.

Just Clifton 1:04:39

So I think that's a great note to kind of close things out. My god, I mean I'm telling you listeners, please subscribe, please support, uh. How can they support you? Uh, what, what, uh, what you got going on?

Marc 1:04:55

talk about your book a little bit oh well, I do have a do have a book. Ashley is going to be back on Amazon this Friday. Nice, perfect timing. The beautiful thing about that. Just in case you have some Spanish-speaking followers, my book right now has been translated into Spanish. That's cool. I came across some Spanish-speaking people and they loved the book and they blessed me to translate my book with no cost. With no cost, come on, can we say free?

Just Clifton 1:05:34

And I'm just like are you sure you know.

Marc 1:05:36

And they said this book has blessed us to where they wanted to translate the book over into Spanish. And they came back and I was gathering my money to make sure I can drop it and they said no, and they're going to translate. So hopefully that will be done over the next few months. The lady who's doing it is halfway done, so hopefully for those Spanish-speaking listeners, you will be able to have my book translated into Spanish Right now we are. What's the name of the book? Y'all? I don't think you said it. Oh yeah, yeah, samuel Awakening, raising Up a Generation of Seers. I'm telling you, get the book. It's a blessing, easy to read, even though it's 14 chapters. It's easy to read. So please go out there and get the book. It will be back on Amazon this Friday, but please go out there and patronize the book.

Marc 1:06:32

And then the other thing is Social media. So I am on Facebook, I am on IG. You can look me up at Marc Montgomery Ministries on IG. I am on Facebook, I am on IG. You can look me up at Marc Montgomery Ministries on IG. I am on Facebook as Marc Montgomery Ministries and we are working on a lot of stuff I'm not yet ready to announce it until I know it is set in place. But for you to be the first one to receive the announcement, please go out there to those two handles, and then I will update you accordingly on what we've got going on.

Closing and Book Announcement

Just Clifton 1:07:04

For sure, for sure. So by the time this podcast actually is released, I believe your book will be back on Amazon. So I will have a link in the show notes as well, a link to the book Samuel Awakening A phenomenal read. I read it as well. Actually, I need to reread it. It's a phenomenal read. I read it as well. Actually, I need to reread it. It's a lot of things I think that God is speaking to me about that I need to be awakened with, so I'm definitely going to reread that as well. Outside of that, I think we're good to go. This podcast was amazing, my brother. He definitely showed up and showed out. I'm telling you, whenever we have conversations, it's like that we're bouncing ideas off of each other, we're bouncing our way of thinking, and it just always flows like that. So, brother, I appreciate you again being on the podcast. Thank you, I appreciate the listeners. Like I said, please subscribe YouTube, leave a review on Apple Podcasts, whatever you need to do so we can get this message out. Also, support the Patreon as well. And yeah, that's pretty much it. So we're going to close out.

Just Clifton 1:08:06

I'm going to say a quick word of prayer. We're going to close out. Dear Heavenly Father, lord, we thank you, we praise you, we glorify your holy name for your word to be praised, lifted up and magnified. Father, we we thank you for this interview, we thank you for this time. Father, we allow yourself to replenish Marc Montgomery right now. Replenish him as he was a servant of you. He was able to pour out. Allow everything that his touch, everything he touched, to be blessed.

Just Clifton 1:08:29

Allow one of the re-release of the book to blow his mind that the sales is going to go through the roof, that you're going to have all the revenue streams to be able to see the work that he has put in this book, and not only that, lord. Allow the content to be able to bless the people, father, so that they will be awakened, that they're able to see better, that they're able to hear the Lord better and they're able to release the word of the Lord better as well. So, father, we speak right now over this podcast that you'll continue to allow it to thrive, to bless the people. Anybody that had ears to hear, allow them to hear. Anybody that has a heart to be open, allow it to be open to you, because you get the glory out of this, and it's in your son, jesus name that we pray. Thank you, father, amen. On that note, we're going to see you on the next podcast and I look for you. I love you.