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Not Being Comfortable: Finding Your Way Back to Faith with Sammie Rogers
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The journey from brokenness to divine alignment forms the powerful foundation of this raw and transformative conversation with Sammie Rogers. With remarkable vulnerability, Sammie shares his testimony of hitting absolute rock bottom—living in his car despite having a job—and how this moment of complete surrender became the catalyst for his spiritual rebirth.
What unfolds is a masterclass in spiritual resilience. Sammie reveals how God systematically rebuilt his life, providing housing, restoring his finances, and rekindling his passion for worship music. But the true revelation comes through his insights on maintaining spiritual alignment through both blessing and testing seasons. "Everybody wants God's blessings and glory, but nobody wants the suffering," he reflects—a profound truth that challenges comfortable Christianity.
Perhaps most compelling is Sammie’s insight that "God throws pebbles before he throws bricks"—though he laughingly admits that in his experience, God often skips straight to the bricks. This humor-laced honesty makes his testimony relatable to anyone who's felt the weight of divine correction.
Ready for a spiritual reset? This conversation will challenge you to examine your own alignment with God's purpose and embrace the uncomfortable seasons that often precede your greatest breakthroughs. Sometimes the most powerful spiritual transformations happen when we're least comfortable—and that's exactly where God wants to meet you.
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Yo yo yo. How you doing. How you doing it is Clifton Ross Jr, the host of the Summit Podcast, where we rise to new heights. And hey, I'm here with an episode we're in this series called Infrastructure, and basically infrastructure is setting the foundation for a strong purpose. So, as we go through this, I'm going to be bringing different guests on just to talk about different things that are impactful, that are going on in their life. Different conversation about all spheres of different topics, from finance through ministry work, through rededicating your life to Christ. All those different topics, and I think it's going to be so powerful to creating that new foundation so that way we can go ahead and get towards that purpose.
Speaker 1So I got a guest here. I'm going to bring him on real quick. It's my friend man. He is, I'm telling you he's a man of God, he is somebody that I look up to, he is somebody that we have plenty of great conversations with and I'm telling you he is a powerful man. I just can't wait to introduce you to him. So I got my man, sammy hey how y'all doing.
Speaker 1Yes, sir, yes sir, I got him on today on the podcast and we are going to be talking about why I raise the topics and I'm going to let him introduce himself just to say a little snippet about him, and then we're going to jump right into it. Go ahead, sammy, you got the flow.
Speaker 2Hey, how y'all doing today. Of course, my name is Sammy Rogers, you know I know him as Apostle Ross. That's how I was introduced to him, and I mean he talked about how he looks up to me. Now I look up to him. I mean, the feelings there are the same. I met him I'm not going to even say in a dark time of my life, because you really don't want to talk about the dark times, but I met him in a needed part of my life and he was there. He was God sent and he definitely pulled me out of some things. So for that I'll always be thankful to him. Yeah, I'm 35. I love music, I love God, I'm a dad and you know what. All I can say is God is great, seriously, Because I mean there's been so many things that have transpired. We're going to get into it, but y'all, God is good.
Speaker 1Yes sir, yes sir, we definitely get into it. So I want to just start off the podcast this way. Yes sir, we definitely get into it. So I want to just start off the podcast this way. We had a discussion before the podcast. We had many discussions before. You know, we always chop it up talk about life, talk about situations, talk about our current circumstances and, just like you know, just being transparent with each other. That's that's one of the things I truly enjoyed about our conversations. But when we were talking about just the setup for this podcast, we came up with a title for it not being comfortable, right, we came up with that topic and I want to kind of dive into that because I want you to kind of start off with, I guess, your beginning phase, when you first dedicated your life to Christ, what transpired and how you got to the point now in your life, man.
Speaker 2OK, for sure, Before we dive into this, can you say a word of prayer, because I believe that we should do all things right, decent and in order, and if we don't have a conversation, god needs to be in the midst of it.
Speaker 1Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, sir, all right, well, let's jump into it. Dear Heavenly Father, lord, we thank you, we praise you, we glorify your holy name because you're worthy to be praised, lifted up and magnified. We thank you for this moment, father. We thank you for this conversation, lord. We ask you, lord, to continue to thrive in this conversation. You are the center of it. This is for you to get the glory out of it, father, this is for you to get the honor out of it, father, and we just thank you. We praise your name today because you are to be lifted up in every minute, every hour, every second, father. So in this moment, you get to glory, you get to praise, you get to honor, and all these things we ask in your son, jesus name.
Speaker 2Amen, amen, amen Amen.
Speaker 1All right, Appreciate that bro.
Breaking Down and Finding God Again
Speaker 2Yeah, no, I appreciate you, man. At the end of the day, it's just something that we've always done. So it's just like if we're going to take this turn, we're going to turn this page. Let's keep God first in it. Absolutely Right, absolutely, bro.
Speaker 2So, as far as to answer your question, my journey started back in September. I was going through some things and I was having a rough time in life and you know it's crazy because a while back, you had mentioned to me that, you know, no matter what I do, every time I come to God I was going to be broken, you know, and it didn't make sense then. I didn't, but it makes sense now because I came back. I was in a tough spot back in November. Life was just in a disarray and I began to talk to God and, although I'm pretty sure God knew my situation, god wants us to talk to him. So forgive me if I get just a little bit emotional, man, because it's real, yes, it's real. Just thinking about it, you know, I just got like a little fluttered on the inside, but go be cool, because big dogs don't cry, no go, go, man, I'm going to be all right, I'm going to be all right, man, yes, sir, hand and stuff, because naturally, as men, or even as human, that's what we do.
Speaker 2We try to fix things whatever. But then it's just like when you don't have the ultimate goal for your plan, you may think you do, but if when you don't have it, who else has it? God, yes, so, um, I was hanging out with some friends and they were getting ready to go into a music festival in bohlenberg it's called joy fest and I wasn't even supposed to be there. I just happened to be at the house. They were getting ready to go and do a music festival in Bolenberg it's called Joy Fest and I wasn't even supposed to be there. I just happened to be at their house. They were like, oh man, we're about to go and hang out. You know, we got to go and gig. So it was just like being a musician you have musical friends and they sing, they do a lot of great things. So it was just like hey, yo, you know, can I pray with you guys? Literally, that's what they were out there, just doing, just praying, you know, with just like random people, which is always a great thing because we all need prayer. So I was just like, hey, yo, you know, can you pray with me? So I was just like, hey, yo, you know, can you pray with me? He looked familiar and he recognized me from, you know, a prior church that I was a part of. That, you know. He had spoke at once and so we connected, we exchanged numbers, he prayed, and even then I felt the presence of God and I knew what I was dealing with. So I was just like, all right, ok, yeah, this, this is it. It wouldn't stop there. You know, I watched the showcase. It's an amazing time, as always. Everybody did a great job. Again, I was just there to support my friends, but then something happened. It was a group. At that time I thought it was a group, but come to find out that I would now be a part of. It was a praise and worship team for Kingdom Culture International Ministries. The pastor is Henry Petty Jr.
Speaker 2So this whole time, mind you, I'm in music because you know, I used to sing background for different people and stuff like that. So here it is, my first love music, being on the stage worshiping God. This is what I want to do, and God knew that I wanted to get back into it because I voiced it to him many times, just like God, you know, I want to sing again. Man, I'm like, I'm done singing in the clubs. I've done, you know, just like singing in other spaces that were probably not necessarily like you, and I know that.
Speaker 2But because it felt right at the time, um, I fell into it because don't don't be deceived it's just like you could talk to god all day and the devil would still show up and be like, oh, you want to sing, I'm gonna give you opportunity too, because he will provide him. Wow, so, uh, yeah, man, um, I remember I told god that and next thing, you know, I was singing in a club and it was just like this ain't what God had for me. This ain't what God had for me, but this time it's just like I said it from a different space, my heart was full and it's just like my mind was set on what I wanted. And that was the difference Last time when I asked God that, yeah, I just want to sing, okay. Devil didn't say. Devil said hey. You didn't specify where. You just said you wanted to say.
Speaker 2So, that's why you got to be specific with the things that you pray about. That's good and it's real. Um, so I was very specific and my heart was pure. Um, I was just like God, I would totally love to do this again.
Speaker 2They went forth and you know, I still tell this story today to them when they were singing, I saw some stuff out there. Mind you, it was like fog machines and stuff like that, like out on the stage and stuff like that, but it's just like, hey, it was something in the smoke, it was something in the fog and it's just like. I don't know if anybody else see this, but I was like I see it and it was a blessing man. Seriously, the music was amazing and it's just like you could tell that everybody on that stage was sold out for God. Yeah, you know, oftentimes people get up and they sing. It's just like they ain't got no oil, but it's just like they had it and it was running over man and I was just like I have to be a part of that. And you know, they came off stage and you know, I instantly started talking to them, just like, hey, how y'all doing. I'm Sam, really enjoyed you guys, and at the time, again, I thought that they were a group, just a regular, you know Chicago group that traveled out to Bolingbrook to, you know, sing Nah.
Speaker 2There was a place in Washington, at the church, and so the pastor at the time, he was just like, hey yo, he told one of his musicians I get this information they invited me to church. Everything the next day would have prevented me from going to church. Man, I had to go to sleep before service had started, the whole nine yards. And literally I woke up and was just like yo, you got to get there. Man, something just literally kept driving me there. I don't know if it was my situation. You know circumstances that keep you in a place to place. So it's just like you can't get stuck being there. So the devil was trying to hinder me, man, seriously.
Speaker 2So as I started driving, I started talking to God, I started laying everything out. It's like god, you seen, you know the things that I deal with, you see, and you know the things that I struggle with and my mind is just like everything. And I was like god, if this is the place for me, show yourself here, because sometimes it's just like and I'm learning that it's just like you really got to talk to god know, oftentimes or I'll even say way back when coming up the teaching was different. So now, as an adult, it's just like I have to get a whole new understanding of who God is. I always knew that he existed and what he can do, but now that I'm an adult, things are totally different. That I'm an adult, things are totally different, and I'm thankful for it, because now I don't have to lean into my own understanding, I can lean into God wholeheartedly. He's going to fulfill everything.
Speaker 2Got to church, church was in high gear, praise thing had just finished singing and of course I didn't see the pastor right off back. But it's just like at that point it's just like, hey, I made it, got in there and everything was going good. Then the assistant pastor he started, you know, praying. And man, I was in worship because I truly wanted God more than anything and I knew the situation that I was in. Only God could bring me out, hmm.
Speaker 2And so I got into that place of worship and he was just like, hey, young man in the blue polo. I just got off work, so I had on my work polo, and so he was a young man in a blue polo. He was just like you know, um, you've been searching for an encounter with God, and it's true, because it's just like man, I work nights and so a lot of the times in my downtime, or even, you know, while I'm in the middle of something, it's just like you know I'm searching, I'm searching, I'm searching or I'm talking, and sometimes you don't even know what you're searching for. So I'm sorry, man, give me a moment. You good, oftentimes you don't know what you're searching for, man, until you found it. Yeah, that's heavy.
Speaker 1That's heavy, bro. Let me, uh, let me chime in real quick, go ahead. Let me chime in because, um, I want to I kind of preface what you were saying. Um, because, even in the sense, you know, leading up to that moment, right, I remember a time where, david, he lost everything his family and everything, and he was in a point where he had to encourage himself. But in that moment, when he encouraged himself, what ended up happening was is that he was like look, will I get everything back? Will I win, god, if I go after these people that took my family, took my possessions? Will I go, should I go, and will I win? And that directs me back to what you said is that when you are trying to get that encounter with God, you have to be specific with your requests.
Speaker 1And I think at that moment, you're at a state where everything was in disarray and the only thing that you wanted was an encounter with God, and I think that's the important factor that cannot go unmasked in that, in this conversation, is that when and you know, you even said it like you know, one of the things I, uh, I spoke into your life is that you know you're going, you, you're going to encounter God in your most broken state, that that God is going to reach you in that most broken space. That's, that is how you know how far to you know that that that pivotal point where it's going to, it's going to teeter, totter towards the direction of truly getting that desire and that yearning and that encounter from God Right. So I think for you that was pivotal. You're like even like you said the morning of, and how things were in a disarray even that moment and you were, you said the morning of, and how things were in a disarray even that moment and you were, you know, almost oversleeping and all these different things that were that was preventing you to get there, and how, at that moment, god still was like no, no, son, I got you at this moment because this encounter needs to happen today.
Speaker 1And it's interesting too because I feel like that encounter came at a moment in your life where I feel like if you wouldn't just went along with your day as business, as normal, it would have drew you further away from getting into God's presence instead of relying on yourself. That's why I said you know not being comfortable right? It's because you was in such a state of uncomfortability you was. I said you know not being comfortable right is because you was in such a state of uncomfortability. You was like you know what? All I need is god right now, so being in his presence is enough.
Meeting Sammy Rogers
The Struggle with Staying in Alignment
Speaker 2That's huge bro uh, no, being in his presence, definitely, um, I mean, that's that's the only thing that I can think of is just like I didn't have a desire of anything because, like I said, everything I mean, if I'm just being transparent and I'm not ashamed of it, because it's just like it helps somebody at that time it was just like yo, I was living in my car, crazy, crazy to drive a BMW but not have a home, wow, and this ain't even priorities. It's just like it was literally. It was just like it was something that just happened. It's just like it was literally, is just like it was something that just happened. And that was that for a whole year now. Mind you, prior to that, I had just um, me and my mom had totally just like separated when I own separate ways, nothing, nothing bad or anything like that. We was just going our separate ways and I had it all figured out. Man, had it all figured out. Oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, not so, not so. There was a lesson in that whole year that I was without. Yeah, I stayed with friends, I stayed with family, you know, I stayed with frat brothers and stuff like that, the whole nine yards, man, but literally it was a lesson that had to be learned and and I'm going to be real with you it's just like it's part of that that I needed to be humbled in some areas and a lot of people don't realize that it's just like you don't like you think you got it together and you know not that I was around here flaunting and doing this and doing that, but it's just like you just don't know that you need to be humbled until it's time to be humbled, into this time to be humbled. And, um, yeah, living in the car, uh, I worked at hospitality at the times, so it was just like you know, everybody else got the luxury of taking showers at home. I mean, granted, I worked at a hotel, so I was taking showers at work, so I mean, I wasn't walking around unclean, but just like I really had to learn how to use my resources, the things that I was just like given. It's just like okay, and it really makes you wonder. It's just like okay if you can deal with the things that surround you and make life worth it here. It's just like when I give you the ultimate things or the desires of your heart, you'll take care of them that much more. So, man, yo fast forward and forward.
Speaker 2God blessed me with a place. He did During that prophecy, when I had very first joined now my church, kingdom Culture. He told me in seven days, my need wouldn't be a need At that time. I needed a lot. It just goes to show you how things can be crazy. But when you lean into God, he can close it. Just like he closed the door, just like he opened it. He can close your situation and open up a new one for you, and that's exactly what he did. Um, it's just like now I have a place. Thank god, I'm in it right now.
Speaker 2I had this conversation with you because I could be having it from a car. But god is good, yes, yeah, no, seriously, I could be talking to you from a locker room right now. Uh, whatever, but it's just like man. God is merciful and so I mean I dare not tell about his goodness. I can't just sit on that. So I mean that was just like one thing. But not only did he bless me with a home, he increased my finances, because it's just like. It was a time where I was just like God. It's god, it's just like man. Hey, I ain't even got it to give after my bills and I thought you know everything. I was just like I don't have it, I don't. But then again it's just like how do you tell god what you don't have?
Speaker 2you should be telling him what you need exactly seriously because at the end of the day, he can provide it all. My pastor likes to quote the um bible verse seek ye first, the kingdom of heaven, all his righteousness, everything will be added. It's just like. All of it is great, but let's not even get to the everything that will be added. Just continue to seek. God is going to do his part that's so good man god is going to do his part no, god is going to do his part seriously, and God is going to do his part Seriously.
Speaker 1And I think what's crazy about that, bro, is that, because you talked about this too you have to get yourself in a position of getting in alignment with God and once you get into alignment, even though your circumstances didn't change I want you to hit on that because I think that people think, when they dedicate their life to Christ or they rededicate their life to Christ, that that is going to be instantaneously a miraculous thing. That happened, like I. I gave this analogy when we was on our call. You know, you went into church and you found out you had a flat tire. You gave your life to Christ. You come back outside your tire still tire. You gave your life to Christ. You come back outside, your tire's still flat. You know. So your circumstances didn't change right away just because you gave your life to Christ. But I think people miss that. I want you to hit on that a little bit too, on how you know that waiting period, how it was almost a form of anxiety during that moment, during that waiting period, for you. Talk to that.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, so for sure, man, uh, and it's just like I'll lead with this. It's been a lot of times and it's just like I can say this, because sometimes I laugh at it be like man. Now you know god don't work like that or whatever like he works, but he don't work like that. So it's just like it'll be. A lot of times you know you can go to church and you know um pastor being high gig, oh, man, money coming, god is gonna do it. And it's just like you know if, if you're not spiritually mature, you'll be open up that pnc account and like, well, god, did you do a check? Like no, he didn't check, god didn't work, he's still negative dog. So he's like god ain't working like that. Um, but no, um, think about it is is uh, yeah, you have to definitely get into alignment.
Speaker 2And yeah, I gave my life to god, for sure. Um, seven days is what I was told. So guess what I was doing at that seven day. I was looking for something to happen and one thing that I it's a couple of things that I learned in that thing. One, how we wait is important. It's just like here's the thing. Okay, yeah, I gave my life to god. But now it's just like I'm in a position now where I'm looking for something because of something that I was told and we can't get caught up in that because, again, it affects our faith. It's just like it's not that I don't want to believe, but it's just like it literally tempers with your faith. It's just like, uh, save man, don't he, don't worry, that's that's, that's not a kingdom guy, wow. So, um, I learned that and it's crazy to say, I'm still learning that man, um, everybody wants God's blessings, everybody wants God's glory, but nobody wants the suffering.
Speaker 2I had to go through a suffering period. Man Bro had to go through a suffering period. Fit on that. So you talk about like, yeah, I had to go through a suffering period and guess what? Sometimes you still got to go.
Speaker 2Because how can you want God and not want to suffer, like seriously, like, oh God, I want all the great things that comes with you, but I don't want to suffer. No, I don't want to go through this and I don't want to go through that. Then honestly ask yourself do you want God? Because I had to get in a place where it's just like, okay, god, no matter if you don't do none of this. Man. I still want you, I still need you and it like I had to literally have that attitude because, like I mean, this stuff that we have is just like the Bible talks about how, man, this stuff is going to turn into dust.
Speaker 2It's going to turn into dust so it's just like, at the end of the day, it's an earthly thing. I can't take it to heaven. My place that he blessed me with now is cool. I love it. Don't get me wrong. I mean, I ain't outside, I ain't in my car, I ain't sleeping on nobody's couch, but think about what that condo look like in heaven. Like fade out, like no, I'm just saying I need that.
Speaker 2So it's, it's a blessing, man, it's a blessing in a way. It is yeah, I will definitely say that and I'm and I'm learning that even still, and I got to keep reminding myself of those things, even when it's just like things start to present themselves. Now I still have to remind myself just because you've got it. You know, I don't think God is the type of guy who's just like oh yeah, I'm going to give it to you and then I'm going to snatch it away from you. No, he's going to hit you in a lot of other areas, but being in alignment is 100% top key. That's what I have with it. I mean, it's the only way that you're going to stay connected to him, because when you hop out of line then that allows the devil to come in and destruct. And don't think that he's not waiting, because he is.
Speaker 1Man, I mean you said a whole mouthful of that. I want to hit on something because I think a lot of times what ends up happening with people is that when they're going, they think that let's put it this way Sometimes we get into this fascination with. You know, the success aspect of Christianity, right? You know the preacher talking about it's your season, but how many people teach people about when it's not your season, like how?
Speaker 2do you wait during?
Speaker 1that period. Like you said, the way that you wait matter. That's, that's a that's a huge principle there, bro, that people miss a opportunity to, to get a certain reverence and a certain posture with god, because God is not just a God of giving us things, but he's also a God to comfort us in the time of suffering too, in the time of need. He's there to cover us in the time of need. He's there to supply our needs as well, but he's also there to cover us in the time of our needs, and people miss that whole aspect. When Jesus healed the man at the pool, he only healed one man. It was other people that were sick there. It was other people that were suffering there, right?
Worship as a Pathway Back
Speaker 1So we always forget the aspect that not every time when we're going through a state of suffering, that means that God is far away, that God is not with us, that we're not doing something right. It could just be a state of us waiting to see if we're going to stay in alignment, right, and I want you to hit on this too, you know, because I know that you had some ups and downs, even recently, with your, you know, with your walking and everything like that. Absolutely. So I want you to handle that like you know going through that state of you know recovering yourself and placing yourself in Christ and how it's very important to keep that posture and that connection with God. Because I think you said something in the conversation I wanted to say. You said your actions are connected to your heart and your heart, in the way that your heart is postured with God. It's super important to keep that connection, especially in those important time when temptation comes. So I want you to hang on that real quick.
Speaker 2No, seriously, that's, that's really a thing, man, and it's it's funny that you brought that up because, uh, it was once upon a time where it was just like, yeah, god like literally showered me, like, when I tell you the blessings was raining, they were raining, and then they stopped. They stopped abruptly and it was just like all right, god, what's up. And oftentimes we would get comfortable, we get comfortable with those blessings. It's just like all right, god, what's up. And oftentimes we get comfortable, we get comfortable with those blessings because we, like man, when God is blessing you, just like, repeatedly, sometimes it's just like you know, you, I'm going to be real man, you forget the struggle. I'm going to be honest with you. You forget it and it's just like well, look, god got me, god got me. Yeah, okay, god got me. But now, what attitude? God got you, but you got him, man bro. So I'm going to slow it down.
Speaker 2And so then I was told, hey, I want all of you, yeah, I don't want parts of you, I don't want you. And just in certain circumstances it was just like I want all of you, man. And I mean, I had to, for real, for real, make a decision because I'm going to be honest with y'all. Man, yeah, I gave my life to God, but temptation is real and I fell out of line with God. I started back drinking. I was having sex and it's crazy, man, those were my desires at the time, not saying that I didn't love God, but it's just like literally those those things. Those are the things that I've dealt with and, if I'm being 100% honest, it's just like I didn't truly deal with sex heavy until I gave my life back to God. Then sex became like a thing I like I didn't even know this was an issue, like literally, it was coming left and right. So it's just like you know, oftentimes if you're not careful you will fall back into it. Because it's just like I can honestly say, man, some things just felt like they wasn't going right and you know I started off having a casual drink and then, you know it turned into something else. Like I wouldn't be like plastered, like wasted, just laid out somewhere. But it's just like even the simple fact that I misplaced my worldly desires with a place that God was trying to take me still sent me in an unalignment with him. And I mean I think I mentioned this to you once before. It's crazy to desire things more than we desire God.
Speaker 2What happened to the fire? It was just like, seriously, it was just like, literally, once upon a time I mean, especially when everything was going right I felt it. I felt fire. It's just like it was an urge, like I had to do it, like I felt like I was eat, sleeping, breathing the presence of God. That's what I wanted.
Speaker 2And then, when everything stopped, it's just like the drive left too and it's just like, okay, god, where's that drive? How come? I can't feel. It's just like I can't feel you, I can't worship the way I want to. My worship doesn't feel authentic. It's just like what is this?
Speaker 2So then, it's just like you know, I had to, for real, for real, come to realization. It's just like God is going to be God, no matter what. And it's just like he didn't start moving different. You started moving different. I'm here and I'm always going to be here. Yeah, so I had to literally know, I had to really get back in alignment with everything you know and get back locked in, as my pastor liked to say hey, man, lock back in with God seriously, and I mean it's. You have to stay locked in, man, because it's easy to get sidetracked, and I mean that's what it was. Even now it's just like you know, and I mean I could openly say this. You know they say, oh, you don't necessarily supposed to talk about it.
Speaker 2I got baptized February the 9th, let's go. And um, that was the first time I'd ever been baptized, been in church all my life, first time I'd ever got baptized. And it was different because the devil even struggled Like he. He battled me with that and it was just like, leading up, I want to say maybe like two weeks before, just battling me in different areas. Man, I even lost my job the day before I got baptized, bro, literally like just snatching things away.
Speaker 2But then again, was I in alignment with god? It's just like no, I wasn't, I wasn't, uh, I was doing sam. And it's just like, no, I wasn't, I wasn't, I was doing Sam. And it's just like okay, so it's just like it ain't punishment, but God is just like I'm going to show you what happens when you fall out of alignment. And it's just like you know, because of my disobedience, because that's all it was, and I mean we mentioned this before Obedience is better than sacrifice. When you did disobedience. You don't know what you're gonna sacrifice. That could be anything. So it's just like you know. It happened, and you know what I still want to.
Speaker 2Got baptized the next day, but when I came up out of that water my pastor told me you're gonna have to fast. When Jesus got baptized, he fasted 40 days and 40 nights. Guess what? I got a start date, but I didn't get an end date. So to this very day I'm fasting. I've been fasting since February the 9th. I haven't stopped, no matter what it looks like. My days sometimes feel dark, they feel gloomy, it's just like my head hurts. Sometimes I hold nine yards, but it's just like at the end of the day, how are fasting. Because that's important too. That's important too. It's just like you know my pastor talk about it all the time.
Speaker 2If you just just not eating and all this other stuff, is like you're on a diet. You don't see from god ain't no word in that in the middle of it. It's just like, dude, it's a diet. It's just like good luck with losing weight. But now it's just like it's different when you start to apply god's word to it.
Speaker 2I mean, I, I can definitely say in the first couple of days of it, I'm just like god, I need strength, I need strength. But then, as time went on, I started to question. And it's okay to answer our questions, because he wants us to communicate, he wants us to be transparent. You know, I can honestly say I grew up in an era where it's just like, you know, at some point I was probably saying, no, hey, don't ever question God. You know, it's just like, but why not? We used to do a lot of things growing up, and these strict Christian churches, as they call them. You know, I love my foundation. However, now that I'm an adult, it's just like I should have been questioning god on a lot of things, because at the end of the day, how do you get understanding without questions?
Speaker 2that's me yeah, god knows my thoughts, he knows how I feel and stuff like that. But how else do you get understanding if I don't ask. Right, you gotta ask questions. God is not just gonna drop it in your system like, oh, do this, he could, but no, he gave us free will, so it's just like whosoever will let them come, god will come to you. He can understand it because, like the words say, I don't want to lean into my own understanding because that has got me nowhere.
Speaker 1That's it, that's it.
Speaker 2I always start my prayers off. When I do pray, God, I come to you as humble as I know how, Because I always want to come to you humble. I don't want to come to you just like I'm talking to one of the guys on the street. Yeah, he loves transparency, but he is God and God alone. So it's just like oh, I'm going to greet you with the utmost respect.
Speaker 1Got to reverence him bro. A lot of people miss that part, you got to reverence them bro, a lot of people miss that part.
Speaker 2You got to reverence them, man. No, you have to. So, yeah, the alignment is everything I promise you. It's everything, and I mean for anybody that you know fell out. It's not too late to get back in, because, guess what? I had to repent, man. Literally, we had a revival.
Speaker 2I was on my face, literally on my face, crying out to God. Because it's just like I realized in that moment. It's just like God. It's just like I'm sorry, I can't do any of this without you. It's just like none of this makes sense. It's just like the world was dark. I didn't even have a light in my own world. Yeah, I didn't even have enough light in me to be a spark. So it was just like God. Okay, I need you. I need you to work out these situations and things that I struggle with, the things that I deal with is just like I need you.
Speaker 2And even then I got prophesied to and they told me that I was going to have to go into a season of fasting. This was before I got baptized. Wow, this was before I got baptized. Wow, this man didn't know me from a can of paint and he was just like you're going to have to go into a season of fasting, man. And so then, when I got baptized, my pastor was just like you need to start, like tomorrow, right? And like seriously, he was like I ain't saying you got to fast for 40 days and 40 nights. And like seriously, he was like I ain't saying you got to fast for 40 days and 40 nights, but literally he stated that God didn't give me an end date, but you have to do it. It's just like I appreciate it, man, because it's been some, it's been some days where.
Speaker 2I'm like, ok, I'm getting immune to this. But then you know, and then I start to question God, like, ok, god, is this like? Is this coming to him? Like what's going on? Like I mean, I've got to a point now where it's just like I'm for real, for real, talking to God, like I'm talking to you right now on this podcast. It's like I'm talking to him.
Speaker 2It's just like when I tell you I ain't leaving nothing out, granted, I'm talking to God about stuff that transpired when I was a child. It's just like God. It's just like I didn't understand this and I didn't understand that or whatever. But it's just like, you know, in my adult years, you know, hey, bless me to get some type of understanding with it, because it's bothered me all these years. Yeah, I need that understanding. It's just like. You know, sometimes we get into a place and be like why me? God is like, why not you? You know, oftentimes we say that, say God, why or how could this happen? But in reality we need to be asking God what's the lesson you want me to learn in this? Because it's a lesson in everything.
Speaker 1I was reading something.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, seriously, I was reading something and it was stating that it's just like. God knows, of course everything is going to transpire in your life the good, the bad, the evil and all that other stuff. But God knows, of course everything is going to transpire in your life the good, the bad, the evil and all that other stuff. But the beautiful part in it is that he gave us a choice. Ain't that something? He gave us free will. No, he gave us a choice. So it's just like, hey, life is full of situations, of course, that I've structured. You know whether they turn out to be, you know, good or bad. It's just like I still gave you the option to decide. I gave you wisdom, I gave you a brain. It's just like use it, but guess what? What happens when you're not in alignment or whatever, and all you have is bad choices.
Speaker 2I literally I was having a moment and I can honestly talk about this stuff because I'm living it and I'm living it and I can't get on here and talk to you guys and not tell the truth. I can't make this stuff up. I literally was in a position I want to say about maybe this is probably last week, and I had a phone conversation and one thing I can say I thank God for accountability partners because, man, they be tearing me up. Like no, seriously, seriously. And it's just like they'll hold no punches, like for real, and it's just almost like a spiritual boot camp.
Speaker 2It's just like, okay, hey, as men we are built just like you know, masculine we're stocky, um, but spiritually we can be weak and you know, when that weakness starts to pour out, it's just like you start to act on it, your behavior starts to change and it's just like, okay, hey, god is almost like how you gonna fight and you're not spiritually strong. So it's just like you gotta go through the spiritual boot camp which I feel like I'm a part of right now.
Speaker 2But, god be the glory, it's okay, I'm gonna make it through man bro, literally I had a phone conversation and that conversation broke me down spiritually and I told my mom I was just like I did so much wrong in life. I don't even know what right feels like. Um, not that I was out here hurting people and that's like doing, just like a whole bunch of just like crazy stuff or whatever. But it's just like. You know, the bible says train up a child the way that they should go, and when they get older they won't depart. Born into holiness, still straight away.
Speaker 2But even in my strain it was a lesson in that, because sometimes it's like god, god will let you go left. He sure will. He's not gonna let you walk too far in the alley, but he'll let you get halfway. It's like all right, it's time to come back because you're tripping. So, um, that part it was one of the yeah, no, and's real. I can only talk because I lived it. So then he pulls you back in and it's just like okay, now it's time to get yourself back together, man.
Speaker 2And again, I wasn't a bad person, I just made poor decisions and sometimes you know, when you make those decisions, every decision has a consequence. I can honestly say some stuff that I've probably, was probably, was involved with many, many, many years ago. It's just like I'm still dealing with the consequences. So when you talk about God's perfect will, imperfect will, I did a lot of stuff in God's imperfect will, things that he allowed or whatever, just because it's just like I was doing them. But what happens when you repent for everything that you did and the imperfect world started living in its perfect will? I said what happens when you repent and repent for everything that you did in God's imperfect will and start living in His perfect will. Come on, that's good, I had to get there.
Speaker 2I remember one sunday I went to church and it was just like. I mean, I just wasn't feeling it. I'm like man, I don't want to sing today, I don't want to do nothing or whatever, and it's just like, literally, I am to a point now where I can honestly say I didn't always hear god's voice or I didn't always understand it. Now I'm at a point now where it's just like, you know, god has started saying small things and I'm like God, you talk to me about small things, but you don't talk to me about nothing, great. But then again, the revelation came out of that. Is that well, if I can trust you with small things, I can trust you with big things, that's it. I can trust you with big things, that's it.
Speaker 2So you know it's crazy because oftentimes you know, we look around and we look what other people got and it makes us forget that it's just like, hey, we're just as blessed as they are. Theirs may look just a little bit more shiny, but it's still the same. Yeah, but then again, I used to always say this it wasn't until I, for real, for real, start getting close to God and he started dealing with me is when I really truly understood it. When I say to whom much is given, much is required, it's just like, yeah, everybody want it, but that required part is the struggle. Well, you don't know what these people want to get, the things that they have. So it's just like you can wake up and want everything that someone else has. But it's just like the song says you know what God has for me? It is for me. Maybe that wasn't for you, but I do have something else.
Speaker 1That's solid, that's solid.
Speaker 2So let me jump in real quick, bro, go ahead. I'm sorry you are.
Speaker 1Um, I'm loving what you're saying because the level of transparency that I think the people need to hear. Uh, I wanted to hit on a couple of things, as you said, that I believe is a revelation to that. One of the things I wanted to hit on was the fact that you were talking about how you were prophesied to, or you've spoken into your life twice, about fasting. Fasting, not only on the spiritual side is great, but on the natural side is great too, because what it does, it creates a discipline in the man, and I believe that that alignment piece when you were starting to get yourself outside of alignment, what God was trying to do with you with this fast, is to create a higher level of discipline. The reason why I know this is because you said another thing that was powerful. You said you were talking about weak men. Weak men are men that lack discipline, and I believe that the lack of discipline it was caused people to get into perpetuated cycles in their life, and I know this from experience because I talk about this.
Speaker 1We talked about this that last year was my selfish year right, it was me to try to find out myself, naturally, but what ended up happening inadvertently with that whole process is that I started to pick away at my self-discipline. I started to pick away at my self-discipline. I was becoming an undisciplined man, which is a reckless man, which is a man that's not a leader, which is a man that's not a spiritual counselor, which is a man who is not integral or whatever. You know what I'm saying. All those different things that you look at as a attribute of a godly man, it goes to the wayside because of the lack of discipline.
Speaker 1God convicted me this year. He was like you think that you're disciplined, but I'm going to show you what it really looked like. And he has totally transformed my life in many ways with that as far as health, as far as the way that I eat, as far as my daily routine, as far as my spiritual walk, as far as my relationships, those different things. I feel that God is transforming a lot of those things if I'm allowing him to do it, because I feel like that you will become who God said you are and you'll be able to live out your purpose if you become more disciplined, and I think that's huge, bro. So I love your transparency in that, bro.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, for sure, man. You talked about cycles. I think you know, in our previous conversation we were trying to get everything together. We talked about cycles and how you can continuously like move in a certain way and God will allow you to continue to move in that way. He will, and I think we actually even mentioned that when it comes to cycles, like you can be doing something for so long that god will allow you to die in it. You know, like real talk.
Speaker 2But it's like what he wanted to do is get off the wheel, like because I think you reference a hamster I have to spend his days just like spinning on the wheel, just going around and around and around, and and it's just like you know, metaphorically, we are the answer to just keep going around and around and around.
Speaker 2But God is just like hey, that's not where I want you to be, man, get up, yes, get up and be upright, stand up right as my pastor say hey, man, put on your boots because it's time to go to war. Like seriously, it's just like you don't have to keep um, you don't have to keep going through. I remember, um, uh, pastor antonio brooks was preaching um, and he had stated that, um, I never forget it, um, because I still have to reference it sometime when you're going through, when you're going through, and it's just like some of y'all need to, um, what was it that he said? Ah, he said some of y'all need to appreciate the fact that y'all going through, because if y'all going through that mean y'all coming out it's just like I.
Speaker 2it's just like I never really understood that until he said it. And it's like I mean, it's plain english, it's clear to comprehend and understand, but when you understand it from a spiritual aspect, it's something totally different, something totally different. So I appreciate that. And he also said that God throws pebbles before he throws bricks. I didn't call it a couple of bricks. I tell people all the time I don't get pebbles, I get bricks, I get bricks.
Speaker 1Bro, I feel you on that.
Speaker 2Forget the pebbles, I feel you Forget the pebbles, I be getting whole bricks. I feel like he throw with all the power. I ain't even hit them that hard. It's all a lesson and it ties back into just being in alignment. If you're in alignment, you gotta worry about the bricks. I mean it ties into morning comes before destruction.
Speaker 1I get destruction off back no, I don't even get a warning seriously, I don't get more because no, no more, no storm right, absolutely, because when you know better, you do better.
Speaker 2And we're in the season now where god is saying okay, hey, you've had enough mornings. It's just like now you know better, you do better. And we're in a season now where God is saying okay, hey, you've had enough warnings. It's just like now, you know better.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2Like do your part, that's it, that's all. Yeah, like I'm not going to beg you, I'm not going to force you. It's just like, literally like we're in a time now where God is saying okay, the choices you make, you're going to live with those until your season is up. My God, I'm not waiting on you, I'm God and I'm God alone. I am not waiting on you because it's just like you know you have babies, and then you have babies in the church. Then you have adults.
Speaker 2I mean people that just came to church, whether you're an adult or not, people that just came to the church. Or you know newfound Christians, or you know, I mean God looks at them as babies, the people that's been there. You know, season members and stuff like that is just like you know, that's that. But it's just like, yeah, man, god is like I ain't giving you milk, no more. Just like I mean it's just the way I'm interpreting it. I'm not giving you milk anymore. It's time for you to grow up spiritually. If you want me and all of my righteousness and all of my glory and everything, you're going to have to grow up. Simple as that. God does a work within. It's our job to do a work on the outside. It's two parts of getting right within and without, so that's that's where I'm at.
Speaker 2And again, I can only speak from my situation and hopefully it'll help somebody that's. You know, that's in that situation, man, and you know it's funny because you referenced to me years and years and years ago and Pastor Brooks did as well. Um, it was just like he. He once told me he was just like you're going to make God cool again. Never understood that. Here's the thing I'm a likable person. I got a lot of friends.
Speaker 2I used to tell anybody and everybody be like man, I know a lot of people, or no, a lot of people know me, but I don't know too many people, but I still got a lot of friends. If I throw a party, people will follow me into a closet and you know how small a closet is. They will look and we will party it up, but at the end of the day, now that it's just like I'm with God and God is with me, that meaning is different. It's 100% different and no, it brings a different meaning. It's just like sometimes you don't get things right away. Sometimes you got to live through the things that you hear Either live through it and grow through it.
Speaker 2That's what I say. So when he said that to me, I'm just like God is already cool, he don't need me. But the thing about it is think about the people that you're connected to. I have to think about that now. I'm connected to a lot of people. A lot of people follow you. So if they follow you to party, what makes you think they won't follow you to Christ?
Speaker 1We missed that part bro.
Speaker 2We missed it. We missed it, we missed it wholeheartedly. So I'm just like, okay, I got you doing your big one, because guess what? People are watching and we have to be careful what we do and that's why I thank god for god. Seriously, I thank god for you know his wisdom, because oftentimes it's just like he could be trying to do work in us and we're contaminating by still living our day-to-day life, doing the things that we want to do and not the things that's desired of him. Um, so what he has to do, he gonna have to cut some things off and he has to terminate everything that you do. So now, when you pour, it can be poured into the right cups and what we need or what that person needs, they'll get.
Speaker 2Oftentimes, a lot of people. They talk they pour a lot of empty stuff that they can't even drink. They don't want that. It's just like no, it's. It's just like no, it's just like. If you're going to teach me, it's just like man, like hey, like I want conviction, I don't. I don't want emotions, I don't want that Like straight up, don't, don't. If you're going to teach me and preach to me, I don't, I don't want, just like, oh well, you and preach to me. I don't want just like, oh well, you know, just get up and just do it and you know God is great, yeah, god is great. I would ever but teach them things that I'm dealing with Like man. Talk about those things Like, put me out there.
Speaker 2Seriously this was missing. I think this was missing in a lot of churches, because it's just like people. It's just like people. It's almost like you know, church sometimes feels like a social awareness seminar and it's just like, okay, hey, yeah, my name is sam, I deal with hi. Sam, no man, get out of here. No, talk to the demon that's inside of me that needs to come out. And because that's what we need, we, we don't, we don't need all that, don't self-talk to me. I don't want that.
Speaker 2And I used to get to a point where it's just like I didn't even let everybody pray for me. Man, for real, I did not, because it's just like man, yo, no, I'm cool. Can I pray for you, brother? No, thank you, I'm okay. But guess what, when I came to Trinity, you prayed for me, pastor Brooks prayed for me, and it's just like, literally, that was a time in my life where I wasn't allowed everybody to pray for me. But guess what, god put y'all there. Yeah, he put y'all right there and it's just like y'all gave me what I needed in that time and I'm forever grateful to that. For real, like, seriously, love you, love, pastor Brooks.
Speaker 1Bro, I'm grateful to that for real, like, seriously, love you, love, pastor Brooks. Bro, bro, I um, I appreciate you so much for saying that because I mean, I know you tell me all the time but I, yeah, sometimes you don't realize how much you impact people, right, and you don't realize the, the mark that you have left in people's minds heart ends, even spirit, you know, in regards to those things. So I definitely appreciate you saying that. Uh, it, it, it pushes me to continue.
Speaker 1The reason why, one of the reason why I relaunched this podcast, is because I have to continue to make an impact. I can't get into a state of complacency, I can't get into a state of being in limbo, I can't be in a state of going with the flow right. I have to continue to thrive and to chase the purpose that God has for me. It's so many things that I have before God and I think that this conversation is helping with that because it is reinforcing the discipline, the alignment, the tenacity, the drive, the focus that needs to happen in this point in my life. So that way, the purpose that I get into is going to be a total alignment with Christ. So it's just one of those things where I really feel like God is doing a thing in this moment and, you know, I just want to reference him. You know, one of the things I wanted to do and I I don't know if you're in a position to do it. I don't know, do you still got your keyboard, man?
Speaker 2I got my keyboard yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, do you have it? You have it hooked up right now. I want you to just go into like a quick little worship, if you can do that real quick for me.
Speaker 2Are you in a?
Speaker 1position to do that, because I think, that I think it's important.
Speaker 1I'm going to take you off camera for a second, but I think it's important that we align ourselves with Christ right now and I really feel like that as a spirit leads in this moment. Because you said, music is one of your heartstrings, right, and I really feel like that God is going to, through this little worship right now, that God is going to release some things in the atmosphere that is going to be powerful, that is going to be amazing, that is going to transpire in this moment, and I feel like this worship is going to help whoever listens to this to be able to get in a state of whatever state of brokenness they're going to get into a state of healing, and I feel like God is going to do that in this moment. So let me know when you're ready. You ready?
Living in God's Perfect Will
Speaker 1Yep All right, I'm going to let you go. Go ahead, go for it me, uh, thank you so so I love music and I love God.
Speaker 2One of the things that I prayed for when I was coming back to God is that God gives me music Because music is atmospheric, yeah, and I know, oh my God, if I come back to church, I was just like the music got to be right, lord, because it's just like that's my connection. You know, I would later on find out that it's way more deeper than music, but I'm like God, I love music, man. So it's just like okay, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to paint the picture for you. So he got me back in church. He gave me music. Now I'm on the praise team. It's just like I love singing, love, love singing and I love playing. But then, you know, when you think of music, you think of worship.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2My pastor oftentimes says what happens when the music stops? What happens when the music stops? It's just like will you still worship me? A lot of people oftentimes say like, oh well, praise and worship, it's just singing, it's rejoicing, okay, what about the person that's doing all the singing? How do they worship if it's about singing? So? Person that doing all the same, how do they worship this if it's about singing? So?
Speaker 2Um, you know, worship come in many different forms and fashion and I'm learning that it's just like. I mean anything that god created can be a form of worship. Literally the basic things of washing dishes, cleaning your house, enjoying food. It's just like okay, god gave you a sense to taste, he gave you a sense of smell, you know the whole nine yards. So it's just like God, I thank you. Even when I don't understand, I thank you. It's just like. You know I'm getting into that habit because it's just like you know. Hey, even when stuff is going wrong, it's still God, thank you, Thank you, thank you, thank you. The other day I was playing a piano during the daytime and I'm just like God. I'm like I want to start playing in church or whatever. It's just like. I can honestly say that's something that I've never really did. Somebody's like how are you a musician and you ain't ever played in church? Because I was busy playing in the club.
Speaker 1Keep it 100, bro.
Speaker 2I was busy playing in the club, singing in the club, and I wasn't thinking about church. But it's just like you know, oftentimes it's people that got it and then it's people that got it but got to hold your gifts up Because it's just like you're not using them for my purpose, using them for the world, and I'm like God release my worship, release my praise, release my talent, because it's just like man, if you don't use it. Somebody say if you don't use it, you'll lose it. But I feel like in the spiritual realm sometimes it's just like man if you don't use it. Somebody say if you don't use it, you'll lose it.
Speaker 2But I feel like in the spiritual realm sometimes, it's just like okay, if you don't use it, I'm going to take it away from you. Yeah, that's true, and for a while I felt like that. So I'm going to be real with you. I didn't play for a while. I didn't play for a while because I felt like I couldn't Although I knew that I had an ear to pick up music and learn songs and stuff like that.
Speaker 2Everything became difficult. I can hear music, I can sing parts, but then it's just like okay, hey, I sing for the world so long. It's just like oh, now you want to sing for me? You say okay. So I mean, even now I'm relearning everything all over again, man and I I can't even say that I'm mad about it, because you know, when god re-centers you, he wipes you white as snow man. So it's just like sometimes you gotta learn like you have to relearn the things that you once loved. And music was my passion. And it was a time where it's just like I hate music. I hate it, but I literally had to pray and ask god for it back. And this time, when he gave it back, I ain't turning around that's it, bro.
Speaker 1that's it, um. I really just felt in my spirit that, uh, there was a release in that um, and I feel like God used you in that moment to reassure you, that he got you Everything that you have placed in his hand. I really feel like God has given you the capacity to maintain it and to hold on to it, and he knows that you're going to authentically, wholeheartedly do it for his glory. That's what that moment was about, man. I really feel like that God is really releasing a new wind in you to be able to thrive at a higher level. And because of that higher level, I feel like God is going to reward you diligently, but not because you wanted to be in the forefront, because you wanted to stay humble.
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Speaker 1People miss that. Humility is how you get exalted. People miss that. Being meek and kind is how you get exalted. People miss that. Being meek and kind is how you get noticed. People miss the whole opportunity and end up missing that whole opportunity, end up missing God, and I feel like God did something at that moment. I definitely pray. My prayer is that, whatever that was released in the atmosphere, this becomes a song of praise, a song of worship to God that he may be glorified to the highest height, to the highest heavens. So I appreciate you, man, I appreciate you doing that, I appreciate your testimony, I appreciate what God has given you, man. This is great. I'm like I'm getting lost for words because I know that moment, that presence of God, was important.
Speaker 2Yeah, no, seriously, it was, it was. It was Not to cut you off. I do apologize. It was important, man, because it's just like. I can definitely attest and I can say that I feel you when you say that you lost words. It's just like. Oftentimes, even you know, throughout this interview God has just been so good I mean, I haven't even shared everything but God has been so good that it's just like. Sometimes it's just like God do things and you get tripped up, can't even talk. Literally, you find yourself in just like, in a disbelief, but a good disbelief. It was just like God. I can't believe you did that. It's just like, seriously like, and all you can say is God, I thank you. But it was a time where it's just like. You know, I was like God, hey, you got to like, I want to live for you, but you're gonna have to fix my mouth because my mouth is horrible. God, it's just like I went from cussing to now. All I can say is God, I thank you.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2God I thank, but now it's just like it's god, I thank you, god, I need you, god, I love you, and it's becoming the soundtrack to life. I was an r&b head and I mean I still enjoy good music don't get me wrong yeah, or whatever, uh, good filtered music, I'll say that but it was a time where it's just like I was listening to the you know, the drew heels and the uh, the keep sweats and all those guys, and the gap band is just like you know.
Speaker 2Again, I love music in its entirety, but when I'm living for god, it's just like. What does that music exactly do for my soul?
Speaker 2that's it no, and that's real. It's just like you know, um, and people do it all the time. It's just like, oh well, you can still do this and you can still do that. Yeah, but what if it's something that you know you're dealing with? I guess it's just like perspective person, but what if you're dealing with? Let's just say, okay, I'm gonna start it out there. You're dealing with sex, but then you listening to public announcement sex is on on my mind.
Speaker 2It's just like I'm trying to get it off my mind. And this song ain't doing nothing but putting it on it, you ain't never wrong bro. I mean, it's just like again, I want to be kingdom-minded. I can't be kingdom-minded and have sex on my mind. It's just like. You know, I can't say, oh god, I love you, but then turn around and turn on TP3 reloaded come on.
Speaker 2I can't do it, so it's just like again we revert back to choices. Those choices will keep you in alignment. That alignment produce kingdom behavior and ultimately will change your life forever, to live forever in eternity.
Speaker 1Man, just the way I look at it. Look, bro, on that note, we're going to go ahead and recap, I think, at the end of the day, what this podcast has really done. I think I think, at the end of the day, what this podcast has really done, it has set the foundation for being how to take this alignment piece to the next level, that last piece that you just said. I hope that people rewind that and take notes on that, because that is that's the blueprint, bro. That's the blueprint of where God is taking you. So, on that note, we're going to go ahead and call it a night. So I want you to, you know, see how the people can reach you. I know you're not really on social media that much, but you know how can people reach you. What are you? What, what, what you got going on? You know, shout out your church, do whatever you know. Take a couple of seconds to do that real quick, all right for sure.
Speaker 2Well, I mean definitely want to start off by giving honor to God, even for this moment. I know he is the head of your life. He's definitely the head of my life, as he should be in everybody's life, but definitely big ups to God for even creating us, like allowing us to have this moment. You know, even with men to talk, because we don't have a set space. I'll be honest with you. So I thank you for inviting me into your space, because this is huge. This is the first podcast I've ever done, man, and it's just like I was super, super excited to do it. So when I say thank you, I mean thank you with all of my heart. Seriously, my pleasure, bro. Because it's like I mean everybody want to be on a platform, but what does that platform consist of? This is a kingdom platform. So it's just like I'm thankful for this platform, because it's just like I don't want to be on that big stage in front of thousands of people. It's just like this is a stage right here. It's intimate, it's one-on-one and guess what? We invited God in the middle of it and the beginning, and he is still with us. So, most definitely, I'm really not on social media like that. I take a lot of hiatus, so it's just like it's one of those things If you see me on there, you see me on there, say hey, I'm Sammy B Rogers on Facebook, on IG, instagram For those who don't know what IG is, I'm sorry and Sammy B Rogers, again, you know, hit me up, I'm open. I'm open for conversation, dialogue.
Speaker 2My church, home, Kingdom, culture, international Ministries. The pastor is Henry Petty Jr. Pastor Henry Petty Jr, I'm sorry, and Pastor Fred Williams. Love my church, love, love, love it. You guys definitely should come and visit us Sometime. The address is 1910 South Kizzy, chicago, illinois. Service starts around like 945. We have two services, one being in Romeoville, in our High Point location. Definitely come, man, like God is doing something great, y'all Seriously, and I just want everybody to be a part of it.
Speaker 2It was definitely a time where I'm not going to say that. You know well, you know I will say that, because then that would be me being dishonest and God has brought me too far to be dishonest. It was a time where I said, oh man, it's just like I don't go to church. It's just like I don't need the church. It's just like, you know, I just need God. But how can you have God without the community of God? Right, come on. So it's just like I got back to church, like I found my way back to the house of God, and it's just like I've been running ever since man, even in my falling. It's just like I'm still running because I'm running from the things that I was to who I am now. That's a little bit about me. Yeah, I'm always open for conversations. I hope I get to do this again.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, I'm definitely going to have you back on, bro. We got to do a part two.
Speaker 2Man, this was powerful.
Speaker 1I'm open, yeah yeah, it's so many things like questions I wanted to ask man, but we going to chop it up.
Speaker 2for sure we going to chop it up.
Speaker 1No, you're good, bro, you're good. I mean, this was a great conversation. I I love hearing your transparency, what you have learned in this season in your life, man, I think it's powerful. So, what I'm going to do, I'm going to end with a word of prayer and then I'm going to cut the podcast and we're going to take it from there.
Speaker 1Dear Heavenly Father, lord, we thank you, we praise you, we glorify your holy name because you're worthy to be praised, lifted up and magnified. We thank you for this moment. We thank you for this podcast. Allow your will to be done. Allow the hearts that needed to be touched to be touched. Allow this to go forth into the nations and they know that you are God, that your perfect will is where we need to be. Allow us to continue to be in alignment. Allow us not to be comfortable in the things that we are in, but allow us to seek you to first. The kingdom of God and the righteousness. All these things will be added unto us. Allow us to not live in a place of lack of discipline, but allow us to live disciplined lives so that we can fulfill the purpose that you have for us. And all these things we ask in your son, jesus' name. Thank you, father, amen. So that's it. That's all, man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1This is an awesome podcast. Please subscribe, please leave a review. We're going to be on Apple Podcasts, we're going to be on YouTube. Whatever you can do, just support, support Patreon. I've got a Patreon that is going to be launching. Please support that as well. Support all outlets, all platforms, and, look, we're going to do this thing and I'm excited about more podcasts to come. We got some awesome guests lined up for you and we're going to keep it rolling, but until then, we're going to talk to you later. Peace, all right, peace.
