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Purpose isn't Free: What Does it Really Cost? With Maria Owusu
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What if the most expensive thing you’ll ever buy is your own purpose? That line sits at the heart of our time with Maria Owusu—The Purpose Doula Coach—whose story of service, surrender, and hard pivots challenges the easy narratives about calling. We open with where our friendship began: serving behind the scenes and discovering the quiet power of moving people from where they are to where they’re meant to be. From there, Maria lays out a bold claim: purpose isn’t missing; it’s muffled by noise, unhealed pain, and a culture that pushes checklists over clarity.
Maria’s math metaphor hits hard: 1+1=2, even in storms. Your assignment is the constant. Goals should be written to hold under pressure, not evaporate with the week’s chaos. We unpack why God gives daily bread instead of the whole.
The Doula model becomes a blueprint: no one can deliver your purpose for you, but the right guidance can coach your push through the messy middle. If you’re feeling stuck, behind, or pressured to perform, this conversation will give you practical language, storm-proof goal setting, and a grounded way to pursue calling with courage and peace.
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Meet Maria: The Purpose Doula
SPEAKER_00Hello, hello, hello, family. How are you doing? Welcome to the Summit Podcast. Yes, we have another episode. We are in this series called Infrastructure Setting the Foundation for Your Purpose. And I am excited about this episode. This episode is going to be super special to me. I have a guest that's coming on who was a divine connection with me, but also she's becoming one of my favorite people of all time. The thoughtful conversation, the way that she challenges your mindset, the way that she charges towards her destiny and purpose, and the way that she sets direction is impeccable. She is a person who has a story of triumph and overcoming mountains that were placed in front of her. And she is one of the most trusted voices in my life. So I am excited to bring on today. And I'm grateful for her to be here with us today. And I'm bringing on Miss Maria Owusu. Come on. Tell the people how you doing? How you doing? How's how's it feel to be on the podcast?
SPEAKER_02It feels great. It feels wonderful. Thank you so much for having me on board.
SPEAKER_00I love it. Yeah, so she look, I'm telling you, Maria, before we jump jump into this, uh, you are affectionately known, your purpose as the purpose doula. And I want you to jump into before we get into what you do, I want to kind of learn a little bit about who you are and how we met. Let's jump into that real quick.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Um, well, my name is Maria. Thank you so much for having me here, Clifton. Um we met at BCI, and we have uh just kind of created a friendship, a foundation of a friendship. Uh, BCI, for those who don't know, is the Black Christian Influencer Network, and we uh were serving together on the same team as far as like helping people get to the comp from the hotel, different things of that nature. So we were both on the transportation team, and you um you took the time to you know lead the very small group into victory. Um and from that, you know, I think we just stayed in touch, just supporting each other's platform, um, you having a podcast show of your own on YouTube, um, and of course, different different other platforms. But my platform is the purpose doula. Um, I have a YouTube channel, and I also uh can find me on Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook, all that stuff. Uh I'm so passionate about helping women define their purpose, define God's purpose. Um, and you know, pretty much find out what it is that God has, you know, created them to do here. Um, that is my mission. That is my that is my lane, and everything that is inside that lane, I conquer and I pursue wholeheartedly. Like you said, I just charge it. So that is what I'm here to do, is just you know, spread the gospel and spread the good news of the glory of God into each and everyone. But specifically, I'm really passionate about spreading the good news to the women that have been called and created to fulfill God's assignment.
Purpose Isn’t Free: The Real Cost
SPEAKER_00Man, that's amazing. That's amazing. I appreciate you sharing that. Like, seriously, we like you said, we met at BCI, uh the conference, and it was just one of those um moments where I saw the way that you serve others, and it really resonated with my spirit because a lot of people they serve to be seen, but you serve to serve. Uh, even in even though you have a a calling on your life, you have a platform for yourself, you have a platform that God has called you to, you still have that humbling serving spirit. And even in areas where it may seem like you, you know, uh it might be uncomfortable or anything of that nature, you still wanted to serve even in that moment. Because, you know, you kind of just got thrown into my team because um they kind of missed the organization of that, you know, system or whatever, and you it didn't have a place to serve. So I'm grateful that you were part of my team because at the end of the day, I believe that team was solid. We we did our thing, we made sure that people got uh safely to and from the conference and everything of that nature. And it was one of the best experiences, I would say, as me leading a team. You made it easy for me, you know, and that's another thing too, by you being a person who is a leader yourself. Uh, you know, sometimes people that are leaders themselves don't know how to follow, and you was able to still uh have that in you to be able to follow and to serve. So I appreciate that. I just want to give you your flowers on that as well. So um, so we kind of came up with a topic for for this episode, and I kind of want to share with the people now so that way they can know the direction of where we're heading in this in this conversation. So the the topic was perfect, uh, purpose isn't free. What's yes really costs? Unpack that for me. What what what why does that resonate with you? Why why does that something that's resonating with you?
SPEAKER_02Um throughout my journey of following and wondering what my purpose, what God's purpose is for my life, um I had to understand that there was a certain there were certain sacrifices that need to be made for things to be unveiled. Um I always tell people this because it's true, you know, just like you can be an embarrassment to uh to your job, to your children, you know, if you have kids, you know what that is, what that's like when they go through this stage of just stop it, mom, just stop. You're embarrassing. Um you can also be an embarrassment to God's kingdom if you're ready and if you're not willing to unpack the weight that is on that is on us just from day-to-day living, the the the addictions, the uh the hurt, the unforgiveness, um it costs something to follow Christ.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I think um what most people when they're looking for purpose, looking when I say quote, because you can't really look for it, it's not something that's lost, but when you're trying to define God's purpose in your life, there's work that needs to be done in order to really um step into the the fruit of that moment and it it's work.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Wow. Um something powerful that what you what you're saying here is like sometimes people who are doing different things. Like I remember a conversation that we had, he's like, you know, making sure that you're not doing things as a checklist, but you're doing things that's actually stinging you towards your purpose. And I think that's something important because when you actually just doing things just to be doing things, you're actually embarrassing, like you said, your purpose. You're embarrassing God, you're embarrassing the kingdom because you have so much uh inside of you to be able to thrive, to be able to move forward. And it it causes you to steer off course very, very quickly. And whatever it may, and whatever it may be, you know, like you said, you know, addiction, different things of that nature that steer you off course, um, those things, you know, are it's it's never too late. You know, you know what I'm saying? Uh I was watching, I was watching a reel, and one of the reels was just talking about how many billionaires happen over 40 years old. And it was like mind-boggling to me because I'm 37 now and I'm like, man, you know, I want to hit this financial goal. I want to hit this goal, I want to hit this goal, and different things of that nature. And it always in the mindset that I have to hurry up. But so many people don't realize you still have time. As long as you're breathing, you still have time uh to be able to create the purpose. Uh, so you talked about different things that might hinder you or might be roadblocks. How does someone overcome those different hindrances and roadblocks in their life?
SPEAKER_02Uh, that's a great question. So the hindrance and the roadblocks really honestly is more mental than anything. Um I believe that the reason why um, you know, God stepped on this earth and presented himself as Jesus Christ was because he wanted to experience every roadblock and challenge that we were experiencing here. Um it's one thing to be high above cloud and overlook someone's situation and say, oh, yeah, you need to do this, X, Y, and you know, this and this and this, and this is what's wrong with you, and this is what's wrong with you. You know, it's it's easy to say that. But once you get into the person's shoe and really understand the root cause of what is, you know, what their journey is or what their journey was, that's when you are more inclined to understand the humanity behind the decision process. You know. And I believe that I I'm definitely not the professional to tell you about yourself. I believe the very guides each and every single person to understand you know what my negative mindset is what's holding me back. Um, the abuse that I went through childhood that I never got counseling for. Um, you know, the the relationship that I just don't want to let go. You know, the whole spirit he talks to us because he sees the hurt, he sees the pain, and we can gloss it up, we can wear the finest outfit, you know, we can buy the the fanciest cars, we can get the you know, 12-bedroom mansion houses, but pain is pain. I don't care how you pain is pain. And um some of the clients that I have worked with, they're very successful in their career. They make six figures, they've created all these um accolades for themselves, but deep down inside there's a level of hurt and pain that is still um preventing them from really enjoying what God has blessed them with. So it's never enough. It's just it's never enough. Where it's there's gotta be more, there's gotta be more. Um, and I think that sometimes is what really blocks God from um or what really blocks us from enjoying the present today, you know. What can I do today to get more tomorrow? And that's what God never commanded. He said, Enjoy the daily bread. I am giving you the daily bread for today. Um, and if you're if we're not in position to really be in alignment with the daily bread for today, um I think we're doing everything in vain, to be honest with you.
SPEAKER_00That's good. That's good, that's good. Uh, I think something that uh hit me when you were talking was the the last piece that you said about the daily bread. Because the way that I think about it is that God is always going to show us pieces at a time because He, if He gave us the whole loaf, we'd become too fat. So those daily bread is just portions of Him uh endowing us wisdom, understanding, uh direction, clarity, vision, those different things. So it's super important for people to understand is that God cannot give you the whole loaf at one time. And I think in scripture, when Jesus, uh when Jesus uh was uh faced with uh the realization that the the cross is about to happen, he was he was anguished and to the point of death. And the reason why he was sweating drops of blood, the reason why he was so anguished to the point of death is because he's the only person that can see the whole loaf in entirety. What I mean by that, he's all God and all man. So he can feel the physicality of what he was going to go through, but he also can see it because he was all God. Uh, so those type of things uh resonate with me because if God did the same thing with us, we wouldn't be able to handle it. Because we're not that divine, we're not that uh that focused, we're not that that upright before God. You know what I'm saying? We we have these different flaws that we go through, and it just will cause us to shrink. So that's the reason why he shows us daily bread in that portion side. Do you think there's a connection between fulfillment and purpose? Do you think there's a connection?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, definitely. Um, I believe fulfillment, well, here's the thing fulfillment um in this day and time has been hijacked by social media. Um and pack that. You know, well, we're constantly wanting to be fulfilled by everything outside of us. Uh that relationship is going to fulfill me, you know. I remember I graduated from college, and I had I had gotten a really good job. Um I had my son at that time. So I'm a single parent, single parent, graduated from college. I got a job, I got a really nice, you know, uh place downtown Atlanta. I was living the life. All of a sudden, I'm like, now it's time to get married. Because clearly something is wrong. I can't just be fulfilled in having those things. There's something else that needs to be added into that pack, right? Um, and the reason why I feel like you know there was always that next step, next step. Now, God hadn't told me it's time to get married. I didn't even speak to God first about that. God, is this what you have for me? Is this what you desire for me at this point in my life? There was a certain checklist that culture created. What should be next on your fulfillment list? And I realized I checked everything according to the culture list. And the next thing, of course, for me is marriage. That's that's the next step because that's when I will really be fulfilled and content with life. I'm just 28 years old. Like, you know, I know there I don't know what it was at this point, but I'm just like, it's time to get married. Um, so of course, um I'm not really looking to for a husband, but you know, a gentleman and he's nice enough. And of course, he's on the same path. Okay, now it's just time for us to get married because this is what's what's next on the culture list of things to do. Um and again, it wasn't a let's seek God for clarification in what and how I need to show up for his glory. Um it there was no communication of patience. Um, and fulfillment sometimes takes time, it does not unpack you know, joy at every moment of every uh check mark that we cultivate as an accomplishment. Joy and content is very simple. I have life. Um from the bed and I was just grateful. And and and thank you, God, for giving me a mind to think. I can speak with my words, you know, I can listen to my children call me mom. Um those simple things is what should fulfill me. Those simple things is what should bring joy to my heart. So if I'm constantly checking outside sources to bring and fulfill joy in my life, something needs to be there, needs to be a little bit more digging to why I'm not fulfilled with what I have presently, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00It does, it does. Uh, I'm gonna dive a little bit deeper. Um, and you can share as much as you want want to personally share in the aspect of this. I want you to give give me a time where you well that mentally clicked for you that I I am chasing fulfillment outside of somebody else, and what did you do to kind of steer away from that or get back on track?
SPEAKER_02Um I think my whole life, uh up until just recently, I've always wanted to chase the bag. Um chase money, chase financial stability. Um, I started working when I was 15 years old because I got tired of asking my dad and my parents for money to do my hair. Always been in very dependent and um I wanted my hair done, I wanted my nails done, I wanted the latest outfits, and they were like, listen, little girl, you're getting too expensive. So um one one day I I ride my bike to Kroger, which was, you know, the nearest grocery store. I go straight up to the manager and I said, Are you hiring? I'm 15 years old. I haven't even talked to my parents about getting.
SPEAKER_01But I said, Oh, y'all trying to, y'all trying to hold up on my coins? Bet.
SPEAKER_02Um and sure enough, he thought I was 18 because I just came up to him and I said, Are you hiring? And um, he didn't ask how old I was at that time, 15. You had to get like a special permission um like letter from your parents to work. And he said, Yeah, we are fill out the education. I filled it out and he said, You start Saturday. That was a Wednesday. Wow. I can start. I went home, rolled my bike, and I told my dad, Dad, I got a job and I start Saturday. And that has been my life. Um, I put work above any and everything. Um, I went through a part in my life where I would even put work over um time with my children. Wow. It was that important to me that financial stability, financial wealth, um, having financial resources just was the North Star. And um, and it cost, it costs time with my kids, it costs time with getting to know God. Um, it costs time to getting to know myself, and it put a strain on relationships that then became transactional. Wow. Because I'm always looking for a return for my output. When you clock in, you go to work, you're building that business, you're looking for that return. I wasn't trying to serve anyone, I was trying to serve myself. My desire, you know. Um and God had to at one point um this was probably about three years ago, um, when I moved back from Ghana. Um I'm dead broke because I have spent all my savings um living abroad, you know. And I come back to the US and um I have to go back to work, ASAP. Every application, over 500, 600, 700 applications all denied. I couldn't even get a job at McDonald's. Wow. This was the time when I really realized like every door I was knocking on God would not open for me. And he really needed to sit me down and have me look at what are you doing this for? You know, are you living here to work or are you living here to serve my to serve my my purpose? Are you living here to you know be a daughter of the most high God? No, you're living to work and make money, and you think that that is all that there is to life. You will sit down. And I was grounded. I was put in time out. I was put in spiritual time out. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wow. That's good. That's good. Because uh what it does, it kind of defines the aspect of are you going to allow God to be your supplier of your needs, right? And when our needs are supplied, we have, I guess, the mental capacity to be able to uh get through this life at a at a different pace. And and what it does, it causes us to really tap into uh the mental space where we can allow God to move in our lives exponentially because we try to do it on our own, and we have somewhat linear growth, you know, might have a little tick there, a little tick there. But when we allow God to be that support, to be the Holy Spirit to be that support in our life, what it causes is that, okay, now we have a little bit of tick, but now all of a sudden it's an exponential growth in our lives. And I think that's really cool that you that you allowed yourself, even from the young age of 15 to now, to realize like, hey, you know, now it's time for God to sit me down. Now it's time for me to really uh get into that place where I can have that exponential growth. Uh, you said something cool to me um the other day, and I thought that was really, really important for us to share. We were talking about goals, setting goals for three and five years, and you really said something to me that really resonated with my spirit because for me, I felt like I always had goals, but when I had something major change in my life, then I will put the goals on the back burner, and then I'll wonder three, five years later why I'm in the same spot and stuck. Uh, so I I really appreciate your wisdom and the way that you articulated like how the importance of goal setting to get closer to your purpose, even when you're going through trials, tribulations, turmoil, uh, and adjustments in your life. Can you hit on that a little a little bit for the listeners?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so um when I'm working with someone and uh when I'm working with a client that who's like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do. There's just so many things I like to do. Um, I ask them, okay, well, what are your top three goals to accomplish in the next five years? And um what usually I end up hearing are roundabout answers that, you know, sound good to the ears, but they're not very specific. Um they're like, well, you know, if if I if all the conditions are right, this is what I would like to accomplish. Um so what I have found in in just our conversation, especially, is that you have to solve a problem by knowing what you want the outcome to be specifically. So it's just like math. You know, when you learn math, you know that one plus one equals two. Regardless of the weather conditions, regardless of your, you know, children uh distracting you from doing the problem, you know that when you come back to it, one plus one will always equal two. And life here on earth is designed to where you never have clarity in that answer. Like your clarity is always obscured with distractions, um, lies from the pit of hell, yes, uh you know, and also challenges that make you wonder if you are not enough. At the end of the day, if there was a tornado to hit Chicago today, god forbid, or a hurricane to hit Savannah, one plus one will always equal to Maria.
SPEAKER_01It will always equal to. I don't, I, I don't, I don't know how to tell you.
SPEAKER_02I it's just it I no, irregardless of what happened, I know that this is what I've been called to do. I've been called and I have been created to help women understand that the assignment for their life is is inside of them. It's not out here, it's not in that relationship, it's not in Like, I know this is what I've been to do. My one plus one will always equal two. I don't care what happens to me. This is what my assignment is. That is the confidence and the boldness in which we have been called to serve in our person. That is the confidence and the boldness that we are to create our goals. So, yes, we can pivot. You know, we can always pivot and say, okay, so I know one plus one equals two, but I think I'm gonna do two minus one equals one.
SPEAKER_01You know, like I'm gonna I'm gonna do this to get to that, or I'm gonna do this to get to this, but at the same time, it's the answer is the same.
SPEAKER_02The answer is the same. So I'm I I have to be very clear that your goals um can sometimes be a little messy, but are you are you stopping because it's a little messy? Oh yeah, that's that's that's where we are with um with purpose and and goals, you know. What's stopping you? What what are the excuses now? Because I'm I'm I'm gonna come correct with with with the training. I'm gonna come correct with the with the scriptures, I'm gonna come correct with hey, this is with accountability. I'm gonna come correct with the strategies and the tools, but you gotta come correct with confidence and boldness.
SPEAKER_00Yes. That's so good. Uh the equation piece. So basically, what I'm gathering for what you're saying, no matter what the outside influences, the equation is still the same. So basically, I don't know if you ever um went through this in school, but they had imaginary numbers that didn't really matter. So basically, you're allowing imaginary numbers into your equation. Yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't hold no bearings. It's not even permanent. It's just something that is at the moment to knock you off your square and you made it a permanent thing in your life. You made the scar a permanent thing in your life, made the addiction a permanent thing in your life. You uh you you made the lack of feeling like you're enough a permanent thing in your life when it was only supposed to be a temporary moment. Stop allowing moments to define your life, right? That's so true. Very good, yes. Maria, you do something to my brain when we talk. So I love it. I love it. Um, so as we're wrapping up, I just want you to, whatever's on your heart that's been on your heart, I want you to be able to just openly share something that you think that the listener would need to hear to be able to connect the dots between I'm not feeling like I'm enough. I don't feel like I can get out of this situation to getting to the point of okay, I understand what my purpose is, I understand who I am, and I know how I'm gonna get there. Can you try to connect those dots?
SPEAKER_02Hmm. I know what my purpose is, and I tell me that one more time because that was a lot. Hold on. Let me let me make sure I got clear to say that one more time.
SPEAKER_00Yes, yes, yes. So I want you to be able to connect with the resonate with the person who is stuck in a in an aspect of not knowing their purpose, not understanding their mission, and try to connect the dots for them. How do you get to the point of knowing who you are and knowing your purpose?
SPEAKER_02Okay, the work is relatively simple, right? The surrender is the most difficult. Um the surrender of I don't know what to do and I need help. Most oftentimes we wear a mask that we got it all figured out, and we try to keep things together for the sake of our family, for the sake of our loved ones, for the sake of social media, for the sake of just work, you know. Um there was a study done as of um recently that says that 212,000 women have quit or left the American workforce. Um 212,000 women have left the workforce from January 2000, 2025 to June 2025. They call it. And I'm like, well, if you look at the numbers, right, 212,000 women have left the workforce. Um, there's a lot to unpack. There's a lot to unpack in the number, but let's just take it for what it is. And we have the responsibility of do we want to live or do we want to have life more abundant? The responsibility is not on your mom, it's not on your partner, it's not on your kids, it's on you to define which one you're going to have. Are you going to have life or are you going to have life more abundantly?
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_02The conversation for this chat, right? Was purpose isn't free. Having life, you didn't have to do anything to do that. Your parents came together. Here you are.
SPEAKER_01All right, okay. Having life more abundantly.
SPEAKER_02Now, there's a cost to that, and the surrender piece, the surrender of your will, the surrender of your your habits, the surrender of your knowledge, your understanding, the surrender of forgiveness, like we said, the surrender of God. I don't have peace with this, but you have told me that I should love my neighbor. Um, the surrender, God, this is where I want to be. But you have given me a position to go clean and serve in this capacity. That is where I need to be for now. Like, we cannot dictate to God to sign off on our record. Where he wants us, how he wants us, at the location he wants us, serving who he wants us to serve. That is what we are meant to do. Now I'm no longer living, I am living with purpose, with intention for his abundance to be created in my life, you know. Um and that that is the call. You know, when Jesus came to the place of understanding that he could not walk away from the cross, that was the choice of all humanity. This is not what I had chosen for my life, but you know that in story. You know why the puzzle piece of me having to do this, of me having to be here, of me having to go through this pain, you know why I had to deal with the cards that you gave me. So I accept that. I accept that. So show me what that next step is, and I'm going to be patent until you tell me the answer. Like that's a different level of that's a different level of surprise. That's a different, that's a different price tag you're paying for purpose. Um and most of us are not willing to do that. You know, um, so when I work with a client and I really, you know, dig deep into what it is that they're telling me, they know what they are to do, they know what they desired, but the cost, they're not willing to pay the cost. They're not willing to pay the price. They can pay my price tag, but they don't want to pay tag.
SPEAKER_00My God.
SPEAKER_01So, I mean, yeah, you I you can make me rich, but I'm not here to just get rich off of you and you're you're like, I'm I'm trust me, I'm gonna be good either way.
SPEAKER_02I can I can honestly, I would love to do this for you for free. But if you're not willing to pay his price tag, what what we doing here? What are we doing here? So um that would be my my my my last stance. Are you are you ready and are you willing to do the work required? Not by your coach, you know, I'm not your coach, I'm your doula. You get but that that baby gotta come. That baby gotta come, gotta push that baby out. But are you willing to pay the price? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And it's interesting too that you know you talk about, you know, the baby aspect because when I think of that, I think of the aspect of it's a messy process to have a baby.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_00But of it shows you what you were paying for. So deep, so deep. So any final thoughts? Any final thoughts um before we wrap up?
SPEAKER_02I think we have on so much. Um, you know, again, thank you so much, Clifton, for um giving me the space and the platform to your audience. And um, you know, you have you have a gift and a light that I believe you are not even aware of by creating this podcast, you bring so much wisdom and so not so much knowledge into your purpose, into the wisdom of people's heart, you know? And I'm I'm excited to see the journey that God has you on. I'm excited to um partner with you in the capacity that God has called us to to build. And um I'm excited for the future for for where the summit podcast is going to go because I know you are completely submitted to this. Um, and all it takes is just that and one seed, and you have been putting in the work, consistent work, to build this platform. And I just thank God for your obedience and your you know your your tenacity to keep going. So I'm I'm I'm cheering for you all the way. Thank you so much for helping me.
SPEAKER_00I appreciate you so much, Maria. You know you are family. Uh you are somebody that I look forward to on any capacity, this journey that I am going on. You are definitely going to be on my arm with that. And I I can't wait to continue to uh go through this journey with you. Um, so just shout out some of your platforms. Like where can people reach you? Like what you got going on, what's what's happening in Purpose Doula's world?
SPEAKER_02Uh you can find me. You can search for me on YouTube, Maria Oruusu at Purpose Doula. You can find me on Instagram, Maria Orusu. You can find me on TikTok, Maria Owusu. You can find me on LinkedIn, Maria Orousu. I'm everywhere. Um, and I I love working with with people who are just passionate about one. Um, I specifically love helping women, but you know, if there's a gentleman out there that's like, man, I gotta work with her, hey, you know, send me an email DM. I will be more than happy to, you know, chat with you and do a deep dive into what your concerns may be, um, that you may need uh a push in. One thing I I definitely do not want to start doing is, you know, charging people for a conversation. And I think that is the the service that takes my heart is to at least, you know, be available to have a conversation with someone who may need some direction. So if you send me a direct message on any of those platforms, um, I'll be sure to answer. And yeah, we can definitely schedule a time to chat and see what God will, you know, say in the midst of our conversation.
SPEAKER_00Amen. Amen. Well, Maria Ousu is a is the real deal, y'all. So definitely connect with her on all those platforms. Uh, she is dope. She's one of the dopest people I know. So uh as we close up the podcast, go ahead and sign up for my Patreon. Patreon, Patreon, follow me on all my platforms as well. You got more information coming. That's some really important announcements that's gonna be coming up. Uh, we're wrapping up season two of the summit podcast, getting ready to start production of season three. So I'm looking forward to that as well. But outside of that, we are done. So I love you with the love of Christ. We'll see you next time. Peace.
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