Ep. 115 Timeline Healing Opened the Door…🚪Then the Afterlife Responded 👁️ ✨

What happens when timeline healing opens the door to consciousness beyond time — and the afterlife responds?

In this powerful and thought-provoking episode, Barbara With, author, international speaker, and longtime psychic channel of Einstein and the Party of Twelve, returns to join me in a powerful conversation exploring timeline healing, Einstein-inspired Conflict Revolution, past-life connections, and emerging scientific inquiry into consciousness and afterlife communication.

From personal healing journeys to real-world signs received through modern technology, this episode bridges science, spirituality, grief and transformation that invites listeners to rethink reality, identity, and the nature of connection beyond physical life.

Tune in now and discover what becomes possible when healing transcends time, consciousness expands beyond the physical, and connection proves it never truly ends.

#TimelineHealing #AfterlifeCommunication #Consciousness #SoulEvolution  #SpiritualAwakening

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 Link to Barbara With Part 1 Ep. 95 “Compassion as the New Force: Einstein’s Afterlife Insights on Consciousness and Conflict

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Vonne Solis  0:00  
What is it you want people to know about timelines and what you want people to get from it?

Barbara With  0:06  
The work that I've done with Einstein and Conflict Revolution, which is also a tribute not just to the years of channelling, but the years of research that I and my associates have put in who actually are living conflicts, is it really brought us back to the root. Which is first the conflict is resolved here in me, before I go into the world of the arena where it's playing out.

Vonne Solis  0:34  
Yeah.

Barbara With  0:35  
So that's the root of our work. And as you do that work, and maybe you do come upon timelines that are bleeding through, like you said, it it's sometimes it's just this overwhelming emotion that comes flowing through you with you know you could swear you're you're you're experiencing something that isn't of this moment that you're sitting in.

Vonne Solis  1:00  
This is the Grief Talk Podcast with Vonne Solis. Helping you heal after loss and life's hardest hits.

Vonne Solis  1:07  
Today's guest is Barbara With. Barbara is an international peace activist, award winning author, composer and performer and workshop facilitator. She has authored six books based on her research as a psychic channel that include Imagining Einstein, Party of 12, The Afterlife Interviews and Einstein Et Al, Manifestation, Conflict Revolution and the New Operating System. Barbara is the co-founder of Conflict Revolution, based on the channelling of Albert Einstein as a pathway to global peace, and is currently on a world peace tour seeking the participation of the willing to take part in a worldwide non-violent action to end the age of war, using conflict revolution as a pathway to global peace.

Vonne Solis  1:56  
Hello, Barbara. I'm so excited to do this Part Two with you. My guest again, audience is Barbara With. I think, sometimes jokingly or lovingly or teasingly or whatever, referred to as Mrs. Einstein. She is an Einstein channel. Barb, say hi to the audience, and then we're gonna get into it.

Barbara With  2:15  
Hi everybody, and it's so good to see you again, Vonne. I'm so excited for this conversation. I know it's going to be a good one.

Vonne Solis  2:21  
It's going to be amazing. So audience, just to give you a little context. Barbara, you did come on my show October 1st 2024. That began, the start of a relationship that we've had, you know, it's there. Sometimes we meet like this, sometimes we don't. I did attend several, you know peace. You know, like you you're all about conflict revolution, so bringing peace to the world. We did a number together with other people on Zoom when I was overseas, and I really enjoyed that. You know, doing your bit and channelling the Party. I really we're not here today audience to talk all about what Barbara does in Conflict Revolution and channelling Einstein, but you can listen to her episode that we did together, that I'm referring to kind of as Part One. I'll put the link in the show notes for you, and certainly Barbara, your website, where you have oodles of information. So if people want to learn more about the Einstein piece of this, and where we come from, and what we really are, and where we go and all that. You know, it's, I actually wrote it down so I could say it eloquently that our first time together, we focused on the conflict revolution and the intersection of science, spirituality and consciousness. And your work over decades channelling Einstein, which is amazing, and compassion as the fifth fundamental force. It is an episode that anyone interested in this, please go and see it on the link. And also, you have a, you have a page or a podcast anyway page right, dedicated to all the podcast episodes you do with other folks too. And so you know, you can be found. And there's no lack.

Barbara With  3:57  
There's no lack of information.

Vonne Solis  3:59  
Right. And audience, your consciousness can be raised. So today, Barbara, you have you can explain how long you've been actually interested in timeline healing. We're going to be covering timeline healing. What it is. It's a topic that isn't really talked about much, if I'm correct, Barbara, right? It's not talked about a lot?

Barbara With  4:20  
Not in a lot of circles. There's certainly some circles that have these conversations. But...

Vonne Solis  4:26  
Yeah, yeah. And, and it's time to bring it to the Grief Talk podcast. We're going to be talking about afterlife communication. Everybody knows what afterlife is. Everybody knows what communication is. We're talking here today about actual proof of it. I'm living it, and have been living it for many months now. Many, many months now, with my daughter on the other side calling me through my Apple AirTag. And for those who don't believe, I'm not here to try and make you believe. We are going to try and uncover, well, we're not going to try. We're going to uncover some of the things Barbara knows from researchers who are actually doing research in this area, if I'm correct, Barbara, at your Barcelona symposium you went to last July. So work is being done in this area from scientists who are trying to make that connection and how we can trust that it really is communication across the veil. I'll just put it that way. And then I'm going to explain how my experience started and continues, giving me, I should say, giving my daughter a direct link to me whenever she wants to let me know or I need to know that she's right here. Right here, right here, beside me. Right here in my vibration. So we're going to be talking all about that. What is that when they live in our vibration, Barbara, so people can understand that, and that coincides a little bit with the timeline of living more than one life at a time. And so sound good to you Barbara?

Barbara With  5:55  
Right up my alley. I got a lot to say.

Vonne Solis  5:58  
I know. Let's go. Alright. So why don't you start Barbara. If you want to jump in, I thought that we could sort of start with giving the audience an understanding of what timeline healing is, and if it's so interconnected. This is my actual question with living more than one life at a time? Or like, can timeline healing be done if people are not aware that they're living multiple lives, or maybe some people aren't, like, I don't know. I'm going to ask that question and let you take it away.

Barbara With  6:30  
I think that we're all on our way to becoming aware of what we really are, which is a very multifaceted dimensional being, as opposed to what we grew up thinking we were just this, you know, little piece. So we have these other lives that are being lived in different DNA space, time bodies. I and the reason I was called to it was because I went through my own timeline healing with a past life that, and it took several years over time to understand it. To figure it out, what's going on. And, you know, I had a jumpstart, because I was a psychic anyway, and but... so, if you're not aware. Probably if I was going through what I went through, and wasn't aware that it was a timeline healing, I would have been deemed having a psychosis.

Vonne Solis  7:33  
Really.

Barbara With  7:34  
Sure, because it was like there was somebody inside me. It was like I was channelling this personality, and there was all of these things happening around that personality and, I decided to treat her like she was a dead person. Like it wasn't my timeline. It was just another person who had passed on, who was looking for my help. So I could put her outside of me and then deal, have a, because otherwise it was just, it's crazy-making. You have emotions that come up that have nothing to do with what's going on in your environment. You know, you might be sitting somewhere, and suddenly there's this huge, massive amount of emotion that comes surging through that's not triggered by anything. It doesn't make any sense in this world, but you're here and it's very real, and so it's it's quite maddening, I think if you don't know. It was certainly maddening enough when I did know.

Vonne Solis  8:42  
Yeah.

Barbara With  8:44  
But it's kind of hard to explain to somebody who may not be open to the idea that we have these other lives that we're living. And it's what I like about my Einstein work, is that it gives you a map to be able to see how this operating system works, and then we can show you how. Okay, here's one lens, you know, Barbara and the DNA space, time, and in the center of the planet, which is the source where everything starts. Then there's another, you know, it's 900 AD in Ireland, and a different DNA space, time body. And they're interconnected with their energy flow. I can't, you know with my hands, don't you do a good job, but again, once you see it, yeah and then you understand how it can be and how it is that when I took the time to figure out what this past life was wanting and how to heal it and to heal.

Vonne Solis  9:46  
Yes, yes.

Barbara With  9:47  
And did. Now it took me a long time, but I did it. Now, I understand how that also affects that timeline.

Vonne Solis  10:01  
Yeah.

Barbara With  10:01  
And the potential of what that DNA space, time body was experiencing in a healed energy flow. Because the short story is that this was a past life where I had been marr, I've been a child queen in Ireland, married to this king. And he went off and got captured by the Vikings and tortured and killed. And here she was, you know, whatever, 13 years old in charge.

Vonne Solis  10:30  
Wow.

Barbara With  10:31  
Very much, a psychic. She, she and she just, you know, she was obsessed with him, and she could figure, and when he died from the torture, she ended up taking on that torture and throwing herself over the cliff. And, I mean, it was just drama.

Vonne Solis  10:46  
Yeah.

Barbara With  10:46  
And so when I got it all sorted out.

Vonne Solis  10:48  
 Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  10:50  
It's like, now I understand how maybe she's experienced it. Maybe he left a day later, and he didn't get captured by the Vikings, and she lived on to be a grandmother, you know.

Vonne Solis  10:59  
Yeah. Here's, here's a here's, here's a question. Have you ever been, like, afraid of heights or cliffs or anything like that?

Barbara With  11:05  
Absolutely afraid of heights.

Vonne Solis  11:07  
Right.

Barbara With  11:07  
Absolutely.

Vonne Solis  11:08  
Yeah. And so I want to just say a couple things. So I'm going to probably interject as I have questions here. And I'm going to do it on behalf of the audience who watching this might want to ask the same thing. So when you were talking about 900 AD and here we are in it doesn't matter 2026 AD, but whenever you went through this, whatever present time period. And then you imagine the energy. So energy, energy is always energy. It never it can maybe change shape, but it doesn't end. I don't think there's you can ever like, kill energy, right? You know what I'm saying. Terrible explanation, but it can't it's always alive. So here's my question. When we heal something from the past. So you're 900 AD healing. And you all of a sudden through your own journey of however long it took you to understand, this was the story. The 13 year old girl married to the king. That's the story. The incarnation. We'll call it our story today in present incarnation. The story we're living today. So as that gets healed, and you were talking, and you said, and you pointed a little bit, we're thinking of a circle here, folks, in 900 ad somewhere in you know, this vicinity, and the 20 you know 25,26 present over here, when the healing takes place. The minute this changes, doesn't it have to, kind of the minute the past gets healed, doesn't it automatically change the trajectory of the course of who we are in the future. The present and the future?

Barbara With  11:54  
Yes. It absolutely has to.

Vonne Solis  11:56  
Yeah. And so it's kind of like when you watch movies and they jump through time. And you know, and we can watch a movie, and they're jumping back from the past to the present to the future, and everything's different, basically, by one timeline getting changed in either the present or the past. Now, I don't know if changing the present timeline changes the past as much as it would the future. But probably, is my guess, because the energy's changed, right?

Barbara With  13:04  
Well, and it would, it would depend on this term past. Like.

Vonne Solis  13:09  
Okay, 900 AD. What would you call it then, if not the past?

Barbara With  13:13  
Well, because they're happening concurrently.

Vonne Solis  13:17  
Oh yeah.

Barbara With  13:17  
You know, it's like the earth is a sphere.

Vonne Solis  13:20  
 Okay,

Barbara With  13:21  
And your lens is on, you know, mine is in Madison, Wisconsin today.

Vonne Solis  13:26  
Yeah.

Barbara With  13:27  
Hers is over here in Ireland in 900 AD. And they can intercept in the center.

Vonne Solis  13:33  
In the center. Yeah.

Barbara With  13:35  
So I would think that as I was healing the present.

Vonne Solis  13:39  
Yes.

Barbara With  13:39  
Me.

Vonne Solis  13:40  
Yes.

Barbara With  13:41  
Using this energy too.

Vonne Solis  13:44  
Yes.

Barbara With  13:45  
Because in conflict revolution, it doesn't matter if the emotion is from the other life or from somebody in the room or from my past, or it doesn't matter where it's from.

Vonne Solis  13:54  
Yeah.

Barbara With  13:54  
If the emotion is in your body.

Vonne Solis  13:56  
Yes.

Barbara With  13:57  
We do, we just deal with it the same way for that life, and for, you know, the empaths and everything. So

Vonne Solis  14:04  
Got it. Got it.

Barbara With  14:05  
When I was in the present healing that emotion from that life.

Vonne Solis  14:10  
Yeah.

Barbara With  14:11  
It, it healed that. And that's what I mean. If it was the past.

Vonne Solis  14:15  
Yeah.

Barbara With  14:16  
Because it was a timeline.

Vonne Solis  14:18  
Yeah.

Barbara With  14:18  
But even, but I think it's more compelling to think about it as the concurrent in that and let's get practical, okay?

Vonne Solis  14:27  
Okay.

Barbara With  14:28  
So what it did for me, personally, that I did all that work and got through it and figured it out and changed my life. Changed the past life. Is that now in life? I have a much different life than I would have had, had I not done all that work.

Vonne Solis  14:48  
Yeah, because ou would have been driven, like most of us, by the trauma and the grief and the fear and everything that...

Barbara With  14:55  
I'd probably have cancer or...

Vonne Solis  14:57  
Yeah.

Barbara With  14:57  
That sickness.

Vonne Solis  14:58  
Yeah. That's stuck in that timeline. Let's call it a timeline. You know, I don't know people do it, you know, for me, I might think of it as timeline one, two and three. So we're going to talk more about this, but I'll jump in here and say when. So when I had my reading with you in October of 2024, it made clear to me, I'm living very, very prominently. So let's talk about this too. There can be timelines that are really, really pressing on the incarnation that are more, I don't know what word to use, but more, well pressing to deal with some of the pain. And mine was one from India, one from Mongolia, both to do with losing a child. Here I am in this timeline, modern world, losing a child. And so just the tip of the iceberg sharing here in my reading. So a lot of the bereavement and the grief and the trauma, I'm living three timelines of it, because it never got healed in those timelines, how it was presented to me. So now I'm and I'm the effort was there to heal it, for sure. In the Mongolia one. The India one, I kill myself. I drown in the ocean. My daughter's murdered. And by the way, an important piece here Barbara is to say it's the same, we'll call us souls, experiencing this. So my daughter in this life was my daughter in those lives. And so that, you know, in my experience, so I'm repeating it audience, but I'm desperately consciously trying to learn certain lessons in this life. And when I have and and and listen doing a decent job. But it was the reading with you, Barbara, channelling the Party, that helped me understand it's not just this timeline I'm trying to heal. It's those two timelines too. And specifically, most prominently, that I kind of died and left those lessons unlearned or only partially learned. 

Vonne Solis  17:04  
So this, I'm trying to phrase it so audience can think of it that way, like if there's influences we're having. And so let's go back to that for a minute. So you throw yourself off a cliff as the 13-year-old bride. This lifetime you're afraid of heights. Possibly cliffs. I'm terrified of, I've put myself in deep ocean trying to, a few times, snorkel. You know, swim with dolphins, and I'm so terrified immediately I get the sense I'm drowning. I have to get out within, within a minute, and I'm panicky, panicking, literally. And so I had that reading with you, and now I understand why. Oh. Well, I am. It's that, and I sort of feel the timeline. Barbara. So I want you to explain what it feels like in terms of, is it vibration? Like for me, it's like, it's like, I've got myself surrounded by an energy, a vibration, you know, that is so close to me. You know what I'm saying? Like we can't be separate from it. So can you kind of explain to the audience what it would, what ener, what's happening energetically, or how we could think of it when we are resonating or living literally alongside one or more other timelines? How could we think of it?

Barbara With  18:20  
Well, again, I don't mean to go back to psychology, but it is like having multiple personalities.

Vonne Solis  18:30  
Really.

Barbara With  18:31  
You have probably in the need to heal whatever's coming up.

Vonne Solis  18:38  
Right.

Barbara With  18:38  
Why did, why did those two particular lives of yours come up to be faced to heal, who knows, it's a mystery. But it feels like there's another personality that has a strong emotion. It's similar to what you have, but it's thicker, and it's different because it is. You know, the life in Mongolia had its own, it had the same theme and the same players, right? You and your daughter were reincarnated there.

Vonne Solis  19:01  
Yeah.

Barbara With  19:01  
But it also had a whole bunch of different experiences in the time that it was. I mean, who knows just on survival mode. 

Vonne Solis  19:23  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  19:25  
We can think about the issue that it's bringing, but it's also bringing a whole lifetime of experience that's somehow taxing your pineal gland and your brain as to and then there's the thoughts.

Vonne Solis  19:41  
Yeah.

Barbara With  19:41  
So where are those, where are they coming from? You don't know. You don't know, but when you start to understand, Okay, here's the timeline. Oh, okay, lost the child. Okay, lost the child. And then you can start to understand. And this is what I did, and maybe part of what you did was the Psychology of that life. Like, what was it in that life. The dynamic of the healing that needed to take place in Mongolia. How do you how do you heal from suicide? Now, that was the weird question I had asked myself. Like, how do you heal from suicide?

Vonne Solis  20:04  
Yeah.

Barbara With  20:04  
But also whatever dirt that living part, right? And so it was like that 13-year-old queen was alive in me and wanted to have, you know, control my body, to do certain things with the king. Because part of it was the king had reincarnated in this life, in a person that I knew. Yes, in a man, and that whole dynamic was and and so I had to take her outside, and I, because I never had children. I had to go to my my parent friends, and say, how do you tell the difference in like, a 12 or 13-year-old when they're really traumatized and in pain, or when they're just being, you know, and then of course, then I'm thinking to myself about this life. Oh, huh. How it was, I was a big tantrum queen, you know, when I was growing up. So there was, you see, you start to see the threads of, say behaviour.

Vonne Solis  21:26  
Yeah. Personality or behaviors or something, right? Yeah. And so,

Barbara With  21:30  
It's really, I'd like to think this. I have a friend in Norway who's getting, she's going with her psychiatric. She's getting her psychiatric degree in psychiatry, and we hope to put some of this work together in in that field, because it is, it's maddening.

Vonne Solis  21:48  
Yeah, that, yeah, that's something that'd be so interesting, is psychosis, and is it actually something else really happening? But yeah. Okay, so I think it's so interesting. I do want to just clarify one thing. When I had my reading with you, Barbara? It did give me, the reading did give me the answers as to why those two specific timelines were prominent in this specific timeline. My current one that I'm aware of, you know, consciously living. Well, I'm aware of the others too, but you know what I mean, consciously living in this in this incarnation. So you do get answers from your reading. I did get them. And so they have helped me shape the efforts I've been trying to make from those timelines and help me understand that while they weren't completed, part of the work was completed. And I got to see with greater clarity what I'm here to try to do in this incarnation. So I just want to let you know, and the audience know. You may well get the reasons why those timelines are showing up and you don't obviously, in your capacity as Barbara, may not remember all of that, and nor should you  when you do your readings and your channelling, which you're going to talk about how those readings work anyway in a bit. But, so I'm just saying it clarified what I'm here to do. Whereas before that reading, I was a little bit scattered. I had a broad kind of awareness of what I was trying to do. But now the pieces of of those timelines and the attempts before was kind of like, okay, you've been here before. Alright. So it just refined it, and that's where you can, you know, listen back to a reading. Have a follow-up reading to see how am I doing? How am I doing? You know, when you get lost or anything like that.

Vonne Solis  23:38  
But more importantly, I think it opens the door to which we're going to talk about in just a little bit. That whole people call it, afterworld vibration, but we're going to be talking about this. And this is why it's so important, is so the minute you believe in timelines, incarnations, but you're existing at the same line with this energy? You can't not believe that consciousness exists. So that's why I'm just putting that plug in right now. Everything exists in some form in energy and emotion, which is also energy. It exists. One thing I wanted to kind of ask you, so when people think about, oh, they might be listening watching this, oh, yeah. Well, this keeps coming up for me. So you've got the patterns. You've got the personality. You've got the behaviors. You've got a bunch of stuff that you maybe can't explain, or it's, you know, really more prominent than than you know, other people like, you know, like you might think you're grieving way worse than they should be. I don't know. Whatever it is for you that's a question, and you want some answers or fears. Fears is a good one, right? And a lot of people do past life, you know, regression, to try and fix fears and things like that. So while this is along the lines of that. Understanding, oh, what you were in another life. That can be fun and interesting to a point. It completely changes the game when you understand you're living it right now, okay? So in that vein. Understanding timeline healing is about the awareness of healing another timeline that's currently, we're currently existing at the same time as 2026. What is it you want people to know about recognizing timeline and timelines. Why you're interested in it, and what you want people to get from it?

Barbara With  25:30  
The work that I've done with Einstein and conflict revolution, which is also a tribute not just to the years of channelling, but the years of research that I and my associates, have put in who actually are living conflicts is it really brought us back to the root. Which is first the conflict is resolved here in me, first and foremost, before I go into the world of the arena where it's playing out.

Vonne Solis  26:01  
Yeah.

Barbara With  26:02  
So that's the root of our work. And as you do that work, that rudimentally, and maybe you do come upon timeline.

Vonne Solis  26:12  
Okay.

Barbara With  26:13  
Timelines that are bleeding through, like you said. It it's sometimes, it's just this overwhelming emotion that comes flowing through you with you know you could swear you're you're you're experiencing something that isn't of this moment that you're sitting in.

Vonne Solis  26:31  
Yes, yeah.

Barbara With  26:33  
And people maybe don't have that kind of cognition in the beginning, because you're just starting to wake up to this multifaceted person. And you know, this is why it's psychic, because we're dealing with the psyche. We're dealing with a psychological, energetic part of you that isn't easy to see and understand. So if you do find your and as I'd said, if you do find yourself in this condition, chances are there's a lot of conflict in your life. There was for me. I mean it didn't mean that good wasn't also happening.

Vonne Solis  27:17  
Yeah, no, I get it.

Barbara With  27:18  
But, it was what was driving me deeper in to get to the root. Because I knew that once I used all this work from Einstein and the angels and the psychic sorority to get to the root, then there would be a different kind of turning point that would take place that wouldn't be like every other time where I tried to figure it out. And, you know, got a little more, but still the patterns, you know. How do you, how do you undo these patterns? Now, there's patterns from another life, and then pattern from another life, and how do you undo all that?

Vonne Solis  27:50  
Yeah.

Barbara With  27:51  
But when you get there and you start to to work it in that way and bring it in it, it opens to a different avenue of manifestation.

Vonne Solis  28:01  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  28:02  
In your life. But I don't, you know, it's very hard to systematically describe, like a process someone would go through specifically,

Vonne Solis  28:13  
Yeah.

Barbara With  28:13  
to heal a timeline.

Vonne Solis  28:15  
Right.

Barbara With  28:16  
And like, your experience. It was just you had it, you know, you had a handle, but there was all this, and now that you've done it, the focus. The focus and the clarity, 

Vonne Solis  28:29  
Yeah.

Barbara With  28:30  
is able to come through you.

Vonne Solis  28:31  
Yeah. You know, you said something really important, though. And I think this is probably what I would pick up for someone who's brand new to this is the con, the personal conflict, and for me, it was a conflict. So you're absolutely right. I love how you said that it starts with the personal conflict, and it has to be resolved within you before you can take it to the outer arena. Because there will always be so, so for me, it felt like, uh, a conflict within myself. I just and, and, uh, a lack of direction and guessing. Like, am I supposed to do this? Am I am I supposed to do this? Am I supposed to like, why am I here? You know, like, I didn't really question. I had the piece of, why, okay, why my daughter took her life, and it was a suicide in 2005. So I had that piece from basically very early on. I knew it was our contract. But I had no idea, no idea about the timeline. The other, the other lives, okay. And actually, that was so comforting for me to learn we had been down this road before. It was really comforting and and, and, you know, we may have been down at 10 times. Your reading just brought out those, those two timelines that were the most important now.

Vonne Solis  29:49  
So I think for the audience, I would suggest, if you are feeling absolute conflict, inner conflict about something, that might be a nudge that you're ready to learn a little bit more about what's going on. And with great respect to past life regression. And I've done enough of it, not really seeking it out, but, you know, but I've done it sometimes. I did it with James Van Praagh, for example. I did a week mediumship with with James. A hundred of us in 2015 and he took us through beautiful I think it was five lives or something, but it was a different intent. It was to understand the death point. It was really super cool. He took us right to the transition part. It was so cool. And how did you transition? It was a really, really interesting experience. But for a lot of people, they might go to past life regression, just to go, Oh, I was at this in life, and I was at that in life. But you don't, maybe some of it goes farther, like the work you're doing in timeline healing. But I wasn't aware of timeline healing, really, until I met you. So I don't, I don't know how many people are doing it, and you were saying before it is talked about in in some circles, but I'm not sure it's talked about a lot yet, is it?

Barbara With  31:04  
I don't think so, because I personally have not found anyone who can tell you truly how to do it. I think Conflict Revolution, of course, I think it's the answer to everything. But like I said before, if you're going to heal. If, if we're teaching you a way to process emotion as a way to put a new operating system in that's going to process conflict regeneratively and healthily, and, you know.

Vonne Solis  31:38  
Yeah.

Barbara With  31:38  
Self-lovingly, because it's there's always going to be conflict.

Vonne Solis  31:41  
Yeah.

Barbara With  31:42  
But as we do that, it doesn't matter if the emotion is from that timeline.

Vonne Solis  31:48  
Exactly.

Barbara With  31:50  
I think what happens, and what you're sort of attesting to, is that when you the emotion comes up that you think was maybe about your daughter.

Vonne Solis  31:59  
Yeah.

Barbara With  31:59  
With the with the awareness, you're able to go, oh, well, now I can process the emotion from Mongolia too. You know, you take that deep breath.

Vonne Solis  32:09  
Yes.

Barbara With  32:10  
And so now you're connecting it the intellect as well. Not just the emotion of the lives, but you're changing the intellect of what they're thinking when they're going through their own trauma as you sort of mind meld, I guess. Sounds fantastical, but.

Vonne Solis  32:26  
It is like that, though, and you're right, because that's exactly what happens. Is I can be aware those moments are far, far less for me, but they do occur. There are, there still are 20, almost 21 years on, there still are painful moments. But I would say, without the awareness of all of this Barbara, any kind of bereavement, loss can give people a life sentence of pain and suffering. So for me, I never wanted it to be like that. And so for those of us that do work, and I'm, you know, did work, you know, and still work with angels, you know, since 2006. So they're just a daily part of my life. So a lot of my healing does come through working with angels too. But sometimes, as a nod, you need another person with another type of experience, such as when I had a reading with you. So, but I did want to say that the reading, also, for me, really clarified. You might be in these moments healing something from exactly what you said the Mongolia mother or the Indian mother. And then I was like, wow, that's kind of cool I get to do that, you know? 

Barbara With  33:37  
Don't you think?

Vonne Solis  33:38  
I think it yes. 100%. And you know what's so cool? I had that reading with you in October 20,2024. And when we were in Singapore, and it was December 25 and at a hotel and meeting my son and my niece. And you know, we met at brunch, and you know, it was kind of a surprise for my niece. She wasn't quite sure when we were going to show up. Anyway, I was in line to get some food, and this gorgeous little Indian girl from India came up beside me, and she looked up at me. She was about 10, and she looked up at me and she said, I think I know you. Something like that. Anyway, we met two more times at the brunch table. But, you know, I looked at her and so this is a piece I want to talk about next is she was a material, physical manifestation of somebody, probably from that Indian life, affirming for me, I could trust what the Party said. It wasn't like, because you can have a reading and go away and Barb, you record your readings, like a lot of people do, and, you know, I listened to it. And so you can go away and go, No, that can't be right. Or can is that right? Well, she was my manifestation. We were old, old friends. And even though she was 10, you know?It's like I could have scooped her up, and I don't know, taken her home with me, you know. Anyway, it turned out she was sitting with her family at a table across from us, and I think she told her mom, because her mom kind of gave me a little, you know, smile that just knew how the connection between her daughter and me, and I couldn't have explained it. I could not have explained it. And as I'm sitting here talking to you, it's very possible. I'm guessing it's very possible, she was part of a timeline of my daughter. You know? From you get what I'm saying? Even though my daughter is gone physically, she, that little girl could have been part of my daughter's timeline that she's living. You get what I'm saying? I don't I don't know if I'm explaining it right. That's the first time I've said that, because what else would it be? I mean, we knew each other and and there was, like, this connection that was so strong. We do have them throughout our life, and I've been blessed to have Angel visits in physical form twice. So I've had them, and that's not a conversation for today. So it's not unusual for me to be given signs when I'm on the track to something that an affirmation. Like when I connected with certain Buddhist philosophy I was here to learn in Sedona when I left and we left Phoenix, I ended up quite unknowingly, sitting next to two monks, you know? That had the, you know, red, you know, robes on, and they looked like Tibetan monks. But it was confirming for me, oh, you can't get any closer than you're sitting next to two monks, which I've never done in an airport in my life before. And ,there was no space, you see, and I was sitting on the floor, and so one called me over, and there was room on the bench, and I didn't recognize that they I wasn't staring, so I didn't even know they were monks. So I pick up my gear. I was waiting for my husband, who had gone off somewhere, and I popped over on the bench, and you can imagine my shock when I see there's these two Tibetan monks sitting there. You know? And so it was just like we had just visited a stupa in Sedona, and I had had an awakening of sorts. And that's all to do with suffering as an illusion. A Buddhism. Suffering is an illusion. So that was my big thing before I met you, and understanding the other piece. So these manifestations, people do come to us in physical form, if we if we're recognize them or not, they're going to be there. That's what I'm going to suggest. What do you think about that Barbara?

Barbara With  37:54  
Well, sure, and I was, I was thinking about her in a number of ways. One is, of course, it was the synchronicity.

Vonne Solis  38:01  
Yeah.

Barbara With  38:02  
That naturally occurs when you open in this way and you resolve the conflicts, things start to change. The magic starts to come back. The truth of who we really are starts to play out. And synchronicity is a natural part of our communication with the physical world. You just, you know, like the little people in the way back and during 900 AD in Ireland, you know. 

Vonne Solis  38:29  
Yeah.

Barbara With  38:31  
There was communication and it there is between all of them - this is our creation. We're co-creating the world around us.

Vonne Solis  38:39  
Yeah.

Barbara With  38:39  
And you would do that. I do that. I you know, I have all those synchronicities all the time now on a regular basis, and it's not like I look for them, but I just as I sit back more and just in every day, just stay in my present moment and keep feeling and breathing and experiencing it, life, life becomes that way on a regular basis. So yeah, but I also wondered if, too, she was a vessel.

Vonne Solis  39:12  
Yes, true. Yeah.

Barbara With  39:16  
A vessel for for your daughter.

Vonne Solis  39:18  
Yeah. Oh, oh, yes. Yes! Yes! And as you're saying that, I'm getting chills. Yes, that was it. That was it. Yeah, three times. And for me, three is always, I learned when I was working to studying to become an Angel Healing practitioner I worked with, I studied under Doreen Virtue, way back when, when Doreen was still...

Barbara With  39:41  
Still Doreen.

Vonne Solis  39:42  
Still Doreen. And again, respect to Doreen and her path and and I don't know. Anyway, three for me is always sort of like certainty. Yeah, if you need it, it's 333, anyway, so you're right, she was a vessel. Yes, it could have been my daughter just saying hi to me through her. 100%. I have. I've had my daughter, my daughter actually did come to me. Again, we're not here to talk about this, but right, maybe two years after she died. Died. No, not two, six years and I had, you're going to love this story. I had lost touch with her best friend. My daughter was half West Indian, and her best friend was Pakistani, but very Americanized. So those two met in International School. We lived in Pakistan for a while, and they met, and anyway, they carried on their relationship. So my daughter dies in 2005 and about 2010 or so, ah, 2009. Now, I've lost all contact with her best friend, because we had been at that time, we have email and, you know, whatever, and it completely went silent. So anyway, fast forward. I was doing a book signing in 2012. It's either 2011 or 2012 and these two girls, the age that that Janaya and her friend met, appeared before my book signing table, and I was in a store equivalent to your Barnes and Noble. My husband was off in the back doing some other stuff, and I'm sitting there with this very, very intense my Divine Healing book, right? Just not a book for kids. And they appeared before my table, and they stand there, and it was the most awkward. You know, if you've been and you've I'm going to guarantee you have had other worldly experiences in physical form. Am I right, Barbara?

Barbara With  41:35  
Yes.

Vonne Solis  41:35  
And you know, it's a very strange energy. It's almost like you're in a bubble when it's happening, but you may not recognize it, but then you kind of go back and go, God, that felt weird. Like that's how it's been for me. And anyway, these two young ladies, one was sort of representing the West Indian. So, you know, a half-black kind of girl, and the other one was Indian or Pakistani. I don't know, but of that, you know, race, and these two girls are standing there and looking to make conversation with me. So I'm having this very superficial conversation with them, and then they both pick up my book and go, We think our moms would really love your book. They kind of said it like that. And I am by this point, like, it's ten minutes in and like, where do you go to school? What do you like to do? Are you girls best friend? Do you hang out, like, that kind of stuff, right? And I'm like, wishing my husband would get back, you know? Because I'm getting really uncomfortable now, really, really, really uncomfortable. Okay? So finally, I say to them, are your moms here? Like, because, like, what kids hang out in a bookstore, right? And they, they didn't really say anything. I can't remember what they said at that point, but anyway, I kind of encouraged them to go, because I was so uncomfortable at this point, Barbara. Well, do you know what? I said to my husband at dinner that night. I said, Do you know what? I bet you, and I won't say the name, but so and so has died. I feel it in my bones that Janaya's best friend has died. And sure enough, two years later, we found out she had died just not too long before that visit, about a year before that visit, and she died from a tumour. She died from a brain tumour, and that's why she had stopped contact. So those two girls came in physical form to visit me, but it's kind of like the AirTag thing. I, it was so overwhelming. So when these visits happen and audience, if you've ever had something like this, and just go, what just happened? For me, they have come in the strangest of ways, when angels have manifested physically, but they've needed to reassure me or do something. It has been a significant reason that that they've made their presence known through a physical form. Do you want to talk about any experience you've had that way?

Barbara With  44:17  
Well, I haven't had so much personal like that.

Vonne Solis  44:24  
Okay.

Barbara With  44:25  
But the the the situation that came to mind to me was my wedding. Okay, I got married on an island in northern Wisconsin, a three day wedding weekend in a big mansion.

Vonne Solis  44:38  
Nice.

Barbara With  44:40  
On the first two nights, there were actually all three nights.

Vonne Solis  44:46  
Yeah.

Barbara With  44:46  
There was a reporting of a sighting of a man at three in the morning. But, you know, it was a wedding weekend, so.

Vonne Solis  44:55  
Yeah.

Barbara With  44:55  
But he was super tall, and he was all dressed up in a suit, and he had this big shock of gray hair, and he was smoking. So, first night my sister, second night she saw him again. Third, third night my future brother-in-law, future former brother-in-law, saw him going out of the thing. And we were like, wow, you know ghost sighting, or you know something. And so that next Monday, it's all over, and my husband and I drive to Duluth, and we get a random room.

Vonne Solis  45:27  
Yeah.

Barbara With  45:28  
And um, I feel very much like somebody's following me.

Vonne Solis  45:32  
Okay.

Barbara With  45:35  
And because, and you know, for your listeners, it's it like I said, it's a little crazy making so..

Vonne Solis  45:42  
Yeah.

Barbara With  45:42  
you have to just kind of believe it and not believe it.

Vonne Solis  45:45  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  45:47  
But I said I was going up the stairs to spend breakfast, and I stopped, and I said, if you want me to, like, deliver a message, you're gonna have to be a little more clear with me.

Vonne Solis  45:59  
Yeah.

Barbara With  45:59  
So that night, I woke up in the middle of the night and there was this kind of swirling ball of light.

Vonne Solis  46:06  
Yeah.

Barbara With  46:06  
In the corner of my bedroom.

Vonne Solis  46:08  
Yeah.

Barbara With  46:08  
Bedroom.

Vonne Solis  46:09  
Yeah.

Barbara With  46:09  
And I said the same thing. I said, that's fine, but if you need me to do something, you're gonna have to be more clear. 

Vonne Solis  46:16  
Yeah.

Barbara With  46:17  
And that morning, we woke up the door, the door to our room opened and slammed shut.

Vonne Solis  46:22  
Wow.

Barbara With  46:22  
And it was locked.

Vonne Solis  46:24  
Yeah.

Barbara With  46:25  
And thank God, my skeptical husband was with us.

Vonne Solis  46:27  
Yeah, because he saw it. He saw it, yeah.

Barbara With  46:30  
And so we went downstairs, and the only place left for breakfast was with another couple. And it turns out they got married the same night we did, only in Minneapolis. And as she was talking, suddenly appears this guy with the shock of hair and the smoking the cigarette and the suit and, and I didn't want to say, I didn't know what to say. Like, oh, I talked to dead people, and you're dead, you know, it's like, so I started asking questions, like, Oh, she was talking about, oh, I wish my dad would have been there. And I said, was he tall? Oh yeah, he was six, six. You know, we talked, talk, talk, talk.

Vonne Solis  47:10  
Yeah. 

Barbara With  47:10  
And I say, did he have gray hair? Oh yes, he had this beautiful thing of gray talking. And said, did he smoke? He died of lung cancer.

Vonne Solis  47:19  
Wow.

Barbara With  47:20  
And then I felt I could say, he's here, and her reaction, which is not what I thought was gonna be, What do you mean? Who you know? Yeah, it's like, I know it. I knew it. I can't wait to tell my sisters. And then we proceeded to communicate.

Vonne Solis  47:35  
Yeah.

Barbara With  47:36  
And he said, You know, I just imagined he was saying thes things and I say, well, he said you were coming out of the thing, and there was this long hallway, and something happened here where you fell back, and then she's like, Oh, my God! We left the priest's office, and we walking down the thing, and somebody stepped on my veil and and I felt like my dad was there at that moment, you know? And so for me, because I've had this empirical experience that hasn't been subjective.

Vonne Solis  48:05  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:06  
Like yours is very subjective. It's hard to, especially in your situation where you want to.

Vonne Solis  48:13  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:14  
This is a soul connection with your daughter.

Vonne Solis  48:16  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  48:18  
To be able to see it outside and then see somebody like, confirm in that way that...

Vonne Solis  48:24  
Yes.

Barbara With  48:25  
to be confirmed,

Vonne Solis  48:26  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:27  
helps me go, of course. I don't know how it works.

Vonne Solis  48:31  
No, I know.

Barbara With  48:31  
I don't know where the two girls came from.

Vonne Solis  48:33  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:34  
I don't know how the Indian girl at the hotel knew to get up to go say that to you.

Vonne Solis  48:40  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:40  
But that's the beautiful mystery. That when you accept that it's a mystery, and then you can live in the magic of it. 

Vonne Solis  48:48  
Yeah.

Barbara With  48:48  
That's what starts to make life so rich.

Vonne Solis  48:51  
Yeah, and these stories, and by the way, for the record, I don't want to see quote, unquote dead bodies. I absolutely do not want to see spirits, and I don't. They actually scare me. So I've never seen a spirit like ghostly, if you will, for what most people would call a ghost or whatever. Like that would scare the crap out of me. So I don't want that in my life. And I even found the work doing mediumship at that level of bringing folks through is also an energy I didn't really want to be doing very much. When I did do readings, angelic readings, okay? And we're talking energy, you know, it's way up and then, and then they and so I never, ever said to people, Oh, I'll bring a loved one through for you or a pet. No. But if someone popped in, I would, I would tell them, hey, I'm getting this person. And you know, da, da, da and I don't mind that. But I found that that that week long, teaching course with, with with James and bless him too and respect him. And he was with Lynn Probert from the UK co-teaching, you couldn't help but, but bring all these, these, you know, these, these beings through who are in wherever there are Barbara and wanting messages. But nevertheless, what I found is you kind of take that energy into you while while, you're channelling what they want to say, and most of it doesn't feel divine, okay? Like you, I could feel their personalities and everything. And so you have to be a certain kind of person to want to commit and do that work. And again, that's not what I'm I'm here for, and what I want to do. 

Vonne Solis  50:43  
Anyway, this is fun, talking about these stories, again, just sharing any of all of this stuff, audience. It's, I believe a lot of people, if not every single person, has the capacity and the capability to experience that which we cannot see Barbara. And I'm sure you believe that too. So opening up and talking about our experiences here, which a majority of people I'm wagering are going to say, That's cool, and I wish I could do it. I can't tell you how many bereaved parents I've met over the years who were desperate to dream, just dream about their child gone. And I'm like, they're probably trying to get in, but you just got to raise your consciousness and be open to it. And so we're here to help people, number one, just get that this stuff is real, and you can experience it to the degree you want to. But I will also say it does take time. And I'm speaking personally here, it has taken time for me to acquire the skills, okay? To trust and experience what I want to that is, I'll just say, for fun, otherworldly.

Vonne Solis  51:59  
So Barbara, you went to the symposium in July. Do you want to speak a little bit about that in Barcelona? What it was about? And by the way, I caught some YouTubes on it, because Deepak Chopra was there, some of the bigger names, and I don't know a couple of other big, big names were there. Anyway, so congrats to you for going. But do you want to share anything about that with the audience, to give them an idea of what that was all about?

Barbara With  52:24  
Well, it was the Science of Consciousness conference. It was the 31st annual Science of Consciousness conference, and started 30 some years ago by the University of Arizona, Tucson, by the astrophysicist, whose name eludes me at this moment.

Vonne Solis  52:40  
Yeah.

Barbara With  52:41  
But they began all those years ago as scientists looking for the science of consciousness. Like, what is consciousness? And as they studied through the years, I'm sure they all presented all their left brain papers to each other. They started out and slowly, the meditators, the psychologists, the IT people slowly be, I think naturally, if you're looking for the what is the root of what is consciousness, and you're asking the question seriously, even if you're a bunch of left brain scientists, it's inevitable that you're going to get to the answers that say, Oh, well, you need more of this, and it's more of this, and you need more mysticism if you're really going to understand it. And so by the 31st conference, it's pretty much a hybrid and a mix, but that was the roots of it.

Vonne Solis  53:42  
Yeah.

Barbara With  53:43  
And so I was presenting, and there's two stories here that this, this is, well, I started channeling in 1987 and have been through all of this, which has been taxing. And, you know, I'm a skeptic. I'm a healthy skeptic. But I knew that I was being guided because of the fruits of the labours of us, you know, following what they're telling us, and having our lives just burst open and heal and evolve and grow and thrive. So after all of these years, and all of the work that I have done to stand on that stage and present.

Vonne Solis  54:26  
Yeah.

Barbara With  54:26  
My I talk to dead people.

Vonne Solis  54:28  
Yeah.

Barbara With  54:30  
Albert Einstein.

Vonne Solis  54:32  
Yeah. I was just gonna say you also talked to Einstein on a regular basis.

Barbara With  54:35  
In front of the scientists. And in 2007, 2005 I did a book just imagine, called "Imagining Einstein", where he posted the compassion as the fifth fundamental force. And,

Vonne Solis  54:47  
Yeah.

Barbara With  54:47  
the center of the Earth is the source, and it operates like a black hole. And in 2005 I said to him, you know, whatever I don't know is this ridiculous? I have no idea if Source could be in the center of the earth, and it could operate. Like I have to stand up in front of the scientists and say this stuff? But I trusted him.

Vonne Solis  55:07  
Yeah.

Barbara With  55:07  
And just went forward. So that night, on that stage, which was almost to the day, the 70th anniversary of the reading of his last Einstein's last words in life. On July 9, 1955 the Russell Einstein manifesto was read in London, and it basically said, world leaders, resolve your conflicts peacefully, because no one will survive World War 3. So almost to the day, the 70th anniversary, I got to present my and when I got to the part where I told the story about and then I told him, I have to stand on the stage and tell the scientists that? Well, here you are, like three of them jumped up and pumped their fists and said, We knew it was a black hole. We knew.

Vonne Solis  55:53  
Oh my god. And now I'm gonna just interject very briefly here. I bought your "Imagining Einstein" book, and I finished four chapters. It is so formulaic. It is so scientific. I said to you, Barbara, I remember one of our private talks. I said to you, with the greatest respect, I know you were channelling that right? How could you have written that? It's so hard for me to get through it. Now, I don't want to put anyone off getting the book. And you've written, what six books now, is it six? And a number of them, I listed some of them in the introduction, and will have showcased many of them. So go to Amazon, folks, and you can see what Barbara stuff. I mean, it was like you were a physicist and mathematician writing that book, and probably the other set, I haven't even got to. And I was so disappointed in myself that I that I don't want to say gave up, but it was like my brain couldn't digest it. It was so on overload. And because I'm a perfectionist, and I thought I need to understand this perfectly, and then remember it. Okay, well, right. So they'll maybe I'll go back and visit it again and take those pressures off of myself. So this is not an easy feat. So when, but when you talk about Einstein, and I've heard you talk. I've heard you channel him on and those ones we did together for the piece that you were doing, conducting peace. You know, you don't call it peace circle, but the peace get together. What do you really call them, peace what?

Barbara With  57:23  
Oh, they're various things. We have various reasons to get together.

Vonne Solis  57:27  
To get together. And I was very, very blessed to be part of a number of them. Like, you know, you're, you're talking, you're channeling people who were physicists, scientists, mathematicians, and that's not necessarily the makeup of your physical brain in this life. Is it? You are a musician for goodness sake. And I remember you saying, if you maybe wrote this. That you believe when you were called to channel Einstein, it was because of the way your brain worked in composing music. Did you say that?

Barbara With  58:00  
Well, I think that was my training.

Vonne Solis  58:03  
Your training.

Barbara With  58:04  
To get to Einstein.

Vonne Solis  58:06  
Yeah. Anyway, we we talked about how you started channelling Einstein in our previous interview, and you've got that in your books and other podcast episodes and so on. So if you want to learn more about Barbara in that, let's get back to Barcelona, and they were pumping your fists. So in other words, they the scientists, the researchers there, everybody who was there, there, they were math, well, who all, everybody in their compas capacity of the empirical world, sitting in that audience, but they supported you, did they not? And they're finally like, they understand, and they trust that you're really channelling Einstein and others from the Party, right?

Barbara With  58:43  
I don't think we could speak for everyone, but I could say there was a very large contingent, much larger than I had anticipated.

Vonne Solis  58:51  
Really.

Barbara With  58:51  
Of people who were absolutely right there.

Vonne Solis  58:55  
Yeah.

Barbara With  58:56  
And the ones pumping their fists going, I'm sure they were the ones who had been researching that it was a black hole. And here was this woman who, and, you know, I used, I have to admit, in order to get selected, I used AI.

Vonne Solis  59:12  
Yeah.

Barbara With  59:12  
To come up with some really, you know, collegiate sounding titles. The phenomenology of the Non-Lovable, I can't even remember what it was.

Vonne Solis  59:24  
Hence, you were really channelling Einstein when you wrote the books.

Barbara With  59:29  
Exactly. And so what I got up to present it's like, The Phenomenology of Non-ordinary Reality is Measured Through the blah, blah, blah. And I said, Really, if I would have had my druthers, I would have named it I talk to dead people and I talk to Einstein.

Vonne Solis  59:43  
No kidding.

Barbara With  59:44  
And I think the important part for me, for your audience.

Vonne Solis  59:47  
Yeah.

Barbara With  59:47  
Is that is, is that there, I think skepticism is a beautiful, healthy thing.

Vonne Solis  59:55  
Yeah.

Barbara With  59:56  
I think the truth will overcome the skepticism. That's I think the idea behind being skeptical. Like a healthy skepticism, the truth will withstand it.

Vonne Solis  1:00:07  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:00:08  
But what you have to have along with it is this willingness to commit to the truth. Which is at the root of everything, it's a mystery.

Vonne Solis  1:00:19  
You know what? Did you, I don't know, and I'll ask you personally. Did you attend Deepak Chopra's presentation or not?

Barbara With  1:00:27  
Actually, in the my presentation...

Vonne Solis  1:00:30  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:00:31  
was, there were six of us, and we each had 20 minutes, and it was a topic that was like, paranormal and afterlife and so, and this is where I want to too. The other side of it was one of the speakers, 

Vonne Solis  1:00:44  
Yeah. 

Barbara With  1:00:44  
was this young man who was and all the other I think there were five of us, so the other four presenters were the scientists.

Vonne Solis  1:00:50  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:00:51  
They were doing scientific research. And one young man,

Vonne Solis  1:00:54  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:00:55  
was doing research on messages left on cell phones from people who have passed on.

Barbara With  1:01:02  
Okay. So anyway, I caught Deepak speaking about consciousness on a YouTube and again, I don't know how much was presented on YouTube from any of the presenters. Anyway, the point I want to make is he was saying, after his decades and other researcher's decades into understanding consciousness, that they still just really don't know enough about it, if anything. And I found that really interesting. Because it's, it's not, for me, I didn't take it as backtracking all the work he's done. I have, like, one of his first, his absolute first books he ever wrote, from published in early 80s. I have that book and he was still a cardiologist and just sort of getting into this and didn't, had, hadn't reached the stardom level that he eventually reached. But if, if he's right, and and they and we are still at this whole, you know, sort of unawareness. Sometimes when we talk together, Barb, I I don't understand the words I want to say. But you know about consciousness, we don't even understand what the heck it is. And your books for audience, anyone interested in going deep, deep, deep, deep into into what Barbara, the work she does, channelling the party, channelling Einstein, like go to her site. Go to Amazon. Just type in Barbara With. You're going to see all your books, and they are amazing. I still haven't got any more, but I do plan to at some point. But I've had an opportunity to talk to you a number of times now, and even when you're channelling, I mean, it's it's you said it yourself. You came from more of an empirical, you know, sort of point of view. Study, of the channelling you do is quite empirical. Mystical, spiritual, but also very empirical in the sense that it's coming from mathematicians, physicists and so on. How can it not be? But that work is just a little teaser for the audience, if I recollect, again, right? Einstein discovered all this stuff. The compassion as the fifth fundamental when he crossed and then was looking for channels, or channel, a channel, to do the work you're doing. So I don't know if there's, if you're the only channel of Einstein or others in the Party, were looking for humans who could act as instruments to convey what they had discovered? And to me, it sounds like they're so excited, I get it now I know how we all exist, how we where we where we come from, and all of the stuff you talk about. It's pretty cool. Do do you know if there's anyone else that actually channels Einstein?

Barbara With  1:03:38  
I think there's been people who channel Einstein. I think what sets all of this work apart is that this was a lifetime process for me that was very much divinely guided, because I just wanted to be a rock star. I just wanted to be...

Vonne Solis  1:03:56  
I know.

Barbara With  1:03:56  
I started writing when I was young, so the training that I went through as a young songwriter, I had no idea that it was setting me up for becoming this channel. And then when I started to do groups with Kim and Theresa in the psychic sorority, and then suddenly there were angels.

Vonne Solis  1:04:21  
 Yeah.

Barbara With  1:04:22  
Okay, well, that's okay, all right, whatever. But that then was the next stage of preparing me.

Vonne Solis  1:04:29  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:04:30  
And then the Party of 12, which, in 2001, I published The Party of 12, The Afterlife Interviews.

Vonne Solis  1:04:37  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:04:38  
With these 12 famous dead people who said, we're this isn't your idea. We've summoned you, and we've been working in afterlife for world piece. Well, it's the 25th anniversary this year.

Vonne Solis  1:04:51  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:04:52  
So I'm going to re-release Party of 12, and have an updated. I'm going to hold a session on Zoom and channel an updated to add to the next edition of it. And.

Vonne Solis  1:05:09  
That's amazing.

Barbara With  1:05:11  
Yeah.

Vonne Solis  1:05:11  
When are you gonna do? You know yet when you're gonna do that?

Barbara With  1:05:14  
I don't.

Vonne Solis  1:05:15  
Okay.

Barbara With  1:05:15  
I don't.

Vonne Solis  1:05:16  
But it's on your radar, okay.

Barbara With  1:05:17  
And it'll, it'll be on my radar and I'm hoping to at least, ah June is the official 25th anniversary. It came out in June 2001.

Vonne Solis  1:05:25  
Wow. And so you'll sort of be able to see the progress of from where you started. Are you looking? Looking isn't the right word. Are you, you're just open to what the messages are going to be 25 years later, right?

Barbara With  1:05:41  
Yeah, and I want to have some decided questions.

Vonne Solis  1:05:45  
Oh.

Barbara With  1:05:46  
To ask of the Party now that we're here on the verge of World War 3 you know? I mean, that what is Einstein's last manifesto? What does he have to say for himself? What does he have to say for us now?

Vonne Solis  1:05:58  
Wow. Okay, if you're doing invitees, put me on the invitation list.

Barbara With  1:06:03  
I will. I will.

Vonne Solis  1:06:04  
I got, I gotta be at that one. That is amazing. And so you have been to be clear, though, audience. Barbara, you have been channelling since the 80s, since I love how you say you were summoned. And that's another quick point I want to make. I don't want to go down that, you know, avenue of speaking today, because I have some other couple of other things I wanted to get to. But if you are summoned to do purpose work like this, in whatever way, when you heed the call it, it becomes your life's work, and you've been at this for decades. Of course, I don't want to age you.

Barbara With  1:06:39  
That's alright.

Vonne Solis  1:06:40  
We are teasing. You being you started in your 20s, right?

Barbara With  1:06:45  
And more that, or my, I think I, well, I started writing when I was 12, and then I started channelling, probably, when I was 30.

Vonne Solis  1:06:52  
Yeah. So in, in there, and you've been at this. So I love again, how you say summoned, and so it's a big piece. So there are many, many, it's not that you haven't been, you know, doing messages over all of these years, but the anniversary is going to be so cool to ask the questions. And yeah, you could just write a book on that Zoom call.

Barbara With  1:07:15  
I will.

Vonne Solis  1:07:16  
Right?

Barbara With  1:07:17  
I know, especially, I mean, think about all the stuff that came out about about JFK. I was, I was just reading, I'm reading Party of 12 again, because I want to come up with some good questions.

Vonne Solis  1:07:28  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:07:28  
And I just re-read Gianni Versace.

Vonne Solis  1:07:31  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:07:32  
And that was just ever so enlightening again about how the fashion industry, you know, they, they have these ultra, uber skinny, impossible images that they put forth,

Vonne Solis  1:07:48  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:07:48  
for the American people to impossibly try to become, right?

Vonne Solis  1:07:55  
Yeah, this, well, you'll get, you'll get the answer, and you'll say, Vonne, buy the book, and you'll find out. And then, you know? I really do want to get that book, though. I really, I haven't got it yet, but I want to get it. Anyway, not to go down there. That's going to be fascinating. I just, I'm so happy I found that you were going to, intending to do that, and you will do it. I know that. I want to get back just real quickly, because I want to cover two more things before we end this one. So this researcher who is giving his presentation, and he's done work in terms of afterlife communication coming through on a cell phone. So was that work in the audience, relatively well received? You know, like, is is this continuing research? So in your opinion, we're not talking to the guys. So obviously I don't, I can't sit here and ask them, Are you going to go and do more work? So what's the fascination for them? Did you get that at all? Did you have a chance to understand why there's research being done in this area? What is it they want to prove? Does it have to do with ongoing consciousness? And that basically, that's what we are when we leave these physical bodies?

Barbara With  1:09:04  
I think all the four people who came before me had that intention of somehow doing really hardcore nuts and bolts research, the kind of documentation of the research. And because that plenary session, or whatever, about the five of us together, 

Vonne Solis  1:09:27  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:09:28  
was completely packed and none of the other ones were there, I took it that, and everyone else who addressed the room said, obviously, this is what you're super excited about. Yeah, you have all those scientists giving you the scientific stuff.

Vonne Solis  1:09:44  
 Yeah.

Barbara With  1:09:45  
But you're looking for this outside the box stuff.

Vonne Solis  1:09:47  
They're really excited that people want proof of afterlife communication in the physical, physical because they want to believe and trust their loved ones haven't completely gone.

Barbara With  1:09:58  
Well, I think it, it is, it was belayed by the fact that it was packed in there.

Vonne Solis  1:10:06  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:10:06  
But I think that it's a, it's a bit of a quantum leap for the scientists. So it's, you know, even the four presentations were sort of methodical. And, you know, it wasn't really exciting. You know, its like, Oh, that's interesting. Until I got up there, you know, with my rock and roll and, like, I talk to dead people, and it's a black hole, and then stuff started to swirl. But I think people, I think even those scientists, or, you know, research scientists, whoever they are, who is coming to these conferences, want this. That they want to know the nature of consciousness. And what's interesting is that ever since then, even though Nassim Haramein, who is also a physicist who's been working on a unified field, who is a big speaker at the conference, he didn't talk about black holes. He does now.

Vonne Solis  1:11:04  
Really.

Barbara With  1:11:05  
Everything I see come through on my algorithms has him talking about, you know, if you think a black hole is chopping through a thing, it's not. It's the root of everything. So even if he didn't hear what I said, that we did this work over the course of decades. That we that I religiously stuck with what Einstein told me. And...

Vonne Solis  1:11:27  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:11:28  
turns out to be, Oh!

Vonne Solis  1:11:30  
Yeah and for audience that might not understand black hole, in a nutshell, I read, I've had some stuff come through my my news feed on science stuff and something to do with it such a it's it's so massive. And I can't remember if I think even Deepak said something like the earth sort of represents 3% of the vastness of everything out there. And this is what I'm remembering, but that everything lies within this black hole and dark energy. Dark matter. And maybe even consciousness is the black hole, right, right?

Barbara With  1:12:07  
I'm pretty sure compassion springs from nothing.

Vonne Solis  1:12:11  
Yeah, like...

Barbara With  1:12:12  
It's in everything.

Vonne Solis  1:12:12  
That's what I'm saying. Barbara has decades of talking about this like you would be composing a grocery list. I remember when you came on the first time and you just talked all about this, this stuff, and I'm just sitting here going, what? And, you know? So I'm just saying we're having a bit of fun with this today. But that's why, when you talk about the black hole, people atching or listening to this might be going, What is she talking about? Well, that's because where it's all happening. Everything from what I understand from even, you know, the stuff that comes through from NASA and that and whatever, and scientists are taking extreme interest of as of late, couple years, maybe a little bit longer, about black holes, and starting to literally study black holes. And so one thing I really remember you saying on our Part One was, you know, like people are afraid of the blackness. They're afraid of the darkness, but in actual fact, that is kind of where life begins. Am I right?

Barbara With  1:13:14  
Yeah. From the nothing.

Vonne Solis  1:13:17  
From the nothing, so it's we're not to be afraid. And I think maybe, maybe science is catching up to this, studying it. Anyway, I want to, I we got a little bit, I have to talk a little bit because I promised the audience we would about proof of afterlife. You put it so beautifully, but proof of afterlife communication happening in physical. So I, my guess is that technology makes it a whole lot easier now for this communication to actually happen, right? Where we can literally see it. So that researcher who says, Yep, I'm doing, I'm doing research on afterlife communication coming through on the cell phone. That speaks volumes that those in the empirical field are starting to open their minds up to accepting there's a lot that they don't understand yet, so they've come leaps and bounds in thinking about this stuff. So I just want to say, and Barbara, I just want your your take on it for the audience, how you would put this. Obviously, you believe and trust that we can have signs in the physical from afterlife. Let's just call it afterlife. What do you want to tell the audience, anybody who's struggling with trusting and believing that these are real signs, okay? What do you want to tell them about that? How they can trust the signs?

Barbara With  1:14:33  
I think it's a it's a science experiment.

Vonne Solis  1:14:39  
Okay.

Barbara With  1:14:40  
I think it's being able to suspend some judgement. Document.

Vonne Solis  1:14:48  
Okay.

Barbara With  1:14:48  
You know, when things start to be so synchronistic that you can't deny them.

Vonne Solis  1:14:56  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  1:14:57  
And, but we do. Right? Oh no, that that's just a coincidence. And because the root of everything is a mystery, which is what Einstein told us right in the beginning. I'm going to tell you right up front, the root of everything is a mystery. So don't think you're ever, ever going to know and open your up self up to the magic of life to being more like a child. More whimsical, more willing to believe. You're still you're not going to get rid of your skeptic, but the truth is gonna outlive your skepticism. So if you're gonna, if you're gonna go through life saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's not. It's not, it's not. Then that's what it's going to be.

Vonne Solis  1:15:45  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  1:15:45  
But if you're going to open up and say, Well, hey, I can be a scientist. I can start to study this. I can start to observe, you know, what is this synchronicity? How, you know, let's document it. Let's see what it is. And then ultimately, ultimately, Vonne, we are responsible for giving our life meaning. That is my responsibility to give my life meaning. And I am just one person who would rather live in a life that is magical and mystical and mysterious and exciting and up and down and everything than I would not believing, just not believing. So people have to make that decision. And isn't that the sort of the spiritual question of the hour? You know? What is, why are we here?

Vonne Solis  1:16:36  
Yep.

Barbara With  1:16:38  
And what are you going to make of your life? Because you get to choose. You get to choose your attitudes and in your world views and how you're going to approach it.

Vonne Solis  1:16:49  
And the third big question is, what happens when we die? So, you know, I mean, people just want to know that. So what I'm going to offer to that, and then we're going to round this up, because it's been really great with your resources. I'm just going to say if it's real for you, it's real. You know? You can't convince anybody else what you're experiencing. And I really do believe we can all have similar, if even not, sometimes, the same experiences from afterlife connection. So dreams, you know, signs, symbols, like weird things happening. But I also think it really is and this is my piece, being evidence of it for my personal experience, is how open you want to be. The other piece is, I was told back in my earlier bereavement. It didn't happen for me, because I was obviously already, I was already in a spiritual practice for 23 years when my daughter died, so already I was primed and open for this stuff. So I can see for somebody who's not, and then all of a sudden, where's my loved one? Where are they? Whether it's a child, a partner, whatever, where are they? I really want to see them. But, you know, you might not be primed for that type of energy and visits, dreams anything. For a while, they can be both painful and beautiful. Because they can be so real that then you wake up and go, Oh my God, but you're not really sleeping in the dream visits. You're kind of, you know is it's happening in a in in a state that you're, you're kind of, you're not really asleep and you're not really fully awake, but you always, always, always remember the the visit in detail. Most people who have had an actual dream visitation, dream visitation, astral, they're very, very different. They're not a dream about the person. You recognize that person is really coming to you and saying, Hi. They're popping in.

Vonne Solis  1:18:47  
And my understanding has been over the years, and I believe this to be a truth anyways, is they have to lower their vibration. They we have to match so we have to raise ours. They've got to significantly lower theirs. I was taught this by mediums, to the point it can be really difficult for them to do it in order for you to even have that meet and greet in the astral. So all of those things factor in. And, and then again, I really believe it just depends on the relationship you're having with the loved one. If it's necessary for you to have that connection, communication that's proving, proving they're still alive, some in some way, shape and form. Because really, that's all people are looking for. They're looking for proof that their loved one exists in some way, shape, form, in a dimension that they don't, none of us really, truly understand. So I learned a long time ago, years ago, to understand it as vibration. And I used to think about my daughter in in the first couple years, even with the spiritual practice about her in heaven. And then I can't remember who it was, but somehow I learned to understand heaven was the vibration, and if that's what I choose to call it, um, she's the vibration. She's a different vibration from me, hence, I can't see her physically. And your work explains a lot of that about, you know, when things vibrate. Like, what is the table, and what it's all made of, and all the molecules and all you get it deep, deep, deep in that and and the point at which things transform. And basically, audience, why we can see some things and why we can't see other things. I mean, your work covers a lot of that. And so I like when I learned to just understand it as vibration, the simplest form, for me? She's just a different vibration.

Vonne Solis  1:20:35  
But I also have a choice and audience, you do too, how you choose to see your loved one who's no longer in physical form as you know them. And I'm also beginning to understand that they are, that piece of them will always exist in some form, what you had with them as a relationship. And Barbara, you might want to close this out, what you think about this that so if she's my daughter in this lifetime. And there's still going to be a remnant of that relationship in that how I see her, how we were together. She hasn't gone off and completely abandoned who she was with me. Hence she when she comes to visit me, that relationship in what it looked like and I experienced in physical form, it still exists somewhere in consciousness, right? It still does, right, like really exists. So some people, I think, might think like when they're gone, and this might be for people who clean out bedrooms and don't put pictures up or take all the pictures down and just don't exist. Like they're gone. They don't exist anymore, right? And I've never done that. I mean, I never kept a bedroom as a, you know, like the bedroom intact, or anything like that. But certainly I, I, what I was trying to say is I think that we can preserve our memories of who we were together, understanding that that piece will always exist in some form in all of our incarnations. What do you think? Right?

Barbara With  1:22:11  
Oh, yes. And in, in the in the scientific map that Einstein gave us.

Vonne Solis  1:22:17  
Uh huh.

Barbara With  1:22:18  
This is maybe what helps, is that at the root of who you are and the root of who I am, we start as what he calls a compilation of consciousness. So this one particle, that's the Barb particle, or the Vonne particle.

Vonne Solis  1:22:36  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:22:36  
And everything that we every decision we make, every experience we have, every second that we're in physical form, all of that compiles in in our compilation, like memories. And so when our body dies, which is on the surface of the earth, and the compilation is in the center in that black hole.

Vonne Solis  1:22:58  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:22:59  
That doesn't go away.

Vonne Solis  1:23:01  
Right.

Barbara With  1:23:01  
That continues to live on and be experienced. And it's like, as Einstein says, it's like a hologram. And a lot of times it's the you get to be seen or perceived as the best that you were. You know, maybe the best with your daughter was that right before she died. Maybe with my mother, the best of her, she's young and my father's young. You know, they're dancing. So, so there's so there's that capacity. But it's the imagination that literally is the place where we communicate with them. And that's why it's so hard. Because we think, Oh, this is just my imagination. Well, kind of. But what they're doing, what your daughter is doing, is evolving so many other things, where she is in afterlife, but your interface with her is where you imagine her as your daughter. And you said she had to let, she has to, like, lower her vibration.

Vonne Solis  1:24:05  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:24:06  
To get back to that...

Vonne Solis  1:24:08  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:24:08  
human, hologram type. But there's another part of her that's quite expansive and great among all those things.

Vonne Solis  1:24:17  
I am aware so I just want to, as I said, I wanted to say just a couple minutes on AirTag. So the AirTag rings. It started I think, Oh, I know. Not, oh, last July on her angel anniversary, which was July 26th and she called on July 24th. And so, to be really quick about this. So the AirTag was ringing. And of course, I'm in shock with what's that? What is that? And then she called a week later, and again, ringing. So of course, here's what I did, and audience you would do this, too. So I Google all the different sounds an AirTag will make. It's none of those sounds, okay? So as we progress and then, and then my sister's like, you know, well, her name's Tris, Tristen. And I call her Janaya in public, but I guess I'm going public with her name's really Tristen so we call her Tris. But anyway, so she's like, that's Tris. And so, okay, we all now kind of like, like, you say. You believe, but you don't believe. You believe, but you don't believe. Now, that lasted right till Christmas. So she she made calls at Christmas. Okay, a couple with my son, two or three calls again, privately. But now it's to the point where I got to catch it and have my husband, Okay, you got to hear this. You got to hear this. So now that's happened. So we're at about call number 16 last night. So you know what? I just automatically decided to do, what you suggested, document it when she calls. What happened? Nothing has to happen. How many, and it always rings five to eight times. 

Vonne Solis  1:25:54  
But the real kicker for me, where it turned fun was a couple weeks ago, she called and and I was concerned. So she will, she will either call on a an important date, or she will call when something major is happening in the family, or she will call when I'm questioning something about, you know, something about the communication. So I picked up the AirTag. It was two or three weeks ago, and I leave it on my night table now, but I had it in my desk drawer here. And so I was thinking this one day, Geez, I wonder how many calls I've missed from her, you know? So I pick up the AirTag. Oh, no, I come in the office and I hear the last tiny bit of a ring, and I'm kind of Darn I think I missed it. So I pick up the AirTag, and she called again when it was in my hand. Right? And so I knock on the door. My husband's in the bathroom. I said, Tris is calling, and he's like, Hi Tris! So we're at that point now.

Vonne Solis  1:26:57  
So what I want to leave the audience just thinking about. Again, I'm not here to try and convince anyone. Barbara, you trust this. Remember, I had the writing on my shirt? I sent you that picture of my pajama top, where that was the one of the first physical manifestations I had with ink that had been drawn on my back of my pajama top. Which my Apple pictures identified it as language and filed the picture as such. So in other words, if you had a PDF document or something, they have a way of filing it as language. I think it's called language, words, whatever. Anyway, so we're at that point where it's true for us. For any doubters out there. I don't care. I don't, like you know, there have been a couple of people, well, okay, one person in my life that might doubt it, who's got more of an analytical mind, and he shall remain nameless. But you know, the point I'm being is, it's our experience, and there are enough of us that understand, Oh, she's calling. It's like I use the AirTag as a phone. But to the researchers point with an iPhone, I believe that technology now allows those who are trying to get through and have a little bit of fun with this? This is one of the easiest ways they can connect with us, is technology. And prior to all of this technology, it would be electrical. Lights going on and off, things like that, anything electrical.

Vonne Solis  1:28:18  
So that's my take on it. I'm not a scientist. I'm just a mom who's so lucky to get to hear, I don't think it's my mom calling. I think it's my daughter, because she would love all this Apple stuff, and she died before any of the iPhones, as I mentioned to you before we got on the call, Barbara, that she would have, she would have loved this Apple stuff. So that's her way, easiest way, and I'm assuming she matches her energy to something that will make that AirTag ring in its own ring tone. It's always the same, but nothing you'll see online about how, what would my AirTag sound like when? It's none of those things, and it is a consistent ring now. So, I literally have an AirTag that's a phone. Isn't that fun?

Barbara With  1:29:09  
I would much rather live that way than than not.

Vonne Solis  1:29:13  
Yeah. And your work opened me up. I was already open to a lot of this, but literally knowing, knowing you, Barbara. Working with you a bit, having the reading really helped me expand to things I needed to learn. So again, for anybody that is is interested in what you offer, do you want to just speak briefly to your resources? You've spent so much time with me here today, and I'm very grateful for that. Do you want to just talk about your resources Barb?

Barbara With  1:29:44  
A reading with me is not like a reading with anybody else. It goes really deep into your soul.

Vonne Solis  1:29:52  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:29:53  
And it it's not that we don't do predictions of the future. We do, but more than anything, it's about activating you. Activating you and your power and inspiring you to make changes in your life that are going to first of all resolve that conflict. Because oddly, when we do that inner work and resolve that conflict, the rest happens naturally.

Vonne Solis  1:30:20  
Yes.

Barbara With  1:30:21  
It's like, it's the thing that gets us out of the way to let the magic happen naturally. So, but that's the hard work and but I don't know. I'm very humbled to have had this life and this work and been so dedicated and hard working at it, that I think it gives my readings, you know, the congruency of that I practice as I preach.

Vonne Solis  1:30:50  
You're probably the only one I would would come to for a reading, seriously. No, and I'm saying that, but that one of the reasons I don't rush to them, I only have the one, but I do want another, is because I feel I'm a bit intimidated by them. I'm gonna be honest for me, but audience don't be scared. And that's because I feel but, but just clarify how they work, because I feel like I should have a list of questions ready and so and that, I think that's great. So do you prefer people coming to you with a list of questions, and boy, you're going to get the answers, folks. I'll tell you that. So or or is it just sort of like the Party has things they need to say to the sitter?

Barbara With  1:31:35  
Well, it's both.

Vonne Solis  1:31:36  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:31:37  
When people come with a list of questions, I'm going to say, they generally answer them before they ask.

Vonne Solis  1:31:42  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  1:31:43  
And then they have different questions. And the thing about it is, why it's so overwhelming is because you get this download.

Vonne Solis  1:31:51  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:31:51  
And it's downloaded into you, but it's designed to be time-released. So as you move forward, because, and I tell you this. You know, the work happens after the reading is over.

Vonne Solis  1:32:03  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:32:03  
It's like you don't have the reading, and now it's done. It's like you have the reading and now you've begun.

Vonne Solis  1:32:07  
Yeah.

Barbara With  1:32:08  
And as you learn the the things that they're impelling you to do, then you get you understand more.

Vonne Solis  1:32:17  
Yeah, yeah.

Barbara With  1:32:17  
You can go back and listen to it, like, if you when you go back and scan through "Imagining Einstein", you're going to read it and go, Oh, wow, this, this makes sense when it didn't make sense. And that's how the readings are. Is that it's, it's, it's about you gaining control and mastery of your own self and see your self -ove, and from there, all the magic happens.

Vonne Solis  1:32:43  
Yeah. And also, I would probably wager that readings happen like they are with when I used to do Angel channelling for the person you deliver what they are ready to hear and all of that. So.

Barbara With  1:32:54  
Yes.

Vonne Solis  1:32:54  
It's it's so exciting. And I tell you, it really was life changing for me, Barbara. So, I will have a link to your website. So if people do want to find out about readings, they can go to your website and then, and then, do you have a tab that says readings, or is there a special link?

Barbara With  1:32:55  
Yes.

Vonne Solis  1:32:55  
Okay.

Barbara With  1:32:58  
There's a above in the menu. It says services and readings. And then you can use a code, Einstein40.

Vonne Solis  1:33:23  
Okay.

Barbara With  1:33:24  
And that'll get you 40% off.

Vonne Solis  1:33:26  
Okay. Einstein40. Okay, perfect. And so folks, and then you do all kinds of other stuff that people can just browse your site, and you're constantly busy and offering this, that and the other, and it's so amazing. So I just really, really had fun talking about this. And as I tell some guests, sometimes I leave an episode going, Geez, I'm not sure what happened. But I I know we probably imparted a lot of really cool information here. And then I go back and edit it and I go, Wow, that's good. Oh, my God, that was good. So I know this is going to be a great, great episode for people to get intrigued, get you know about information. Get curious about their lives. Get curious about where we come from. No more, and don't let the empirical stuff you know, fool you. I'm going to go back to the book and and allow myself just to read it, because I love what you said. It's a download, and it can be activated when we're ready. And so that's how I'm going to approach reading, reading the work.

Vonne Solis  1:34:31  
Thank you, Barbara. Is there anything else you want to leave the audience with?

Barbara With  1:34:35  
No, no, just thank you, Vonne for having me. I love our conversations. And I just would say that, you know, the smallest work that we do on ourselves is really the most important. I know we throw it off like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm supposed to be doing this. But no. Learning to self love. That's the greatest thing that we can do for ourselves and the world.

Vonne Solis  1:34:56  
I agree. And then the floodgates just open, man, to your future. So, Barbara and I can attest to that. Okay, we're gonna close this one off. Thanks again, Barbara.

Barbara With  1:35:05  
Thank you.