Vanished In The Driveway: Misty Dawn Faulkner

A quiet driveway is supposed to be the end of the day. Park. Breathe. Go inside. Safe.

That is why this case won’t let go.

Misty Dawn Faulkner makes it home to rural Oklahoma after a shift. There’s a Walmart run in the mix. There’s a phone call, maybe finished from the car. And then the part that turns your stomach: she’s gone. No obvious struggle. No screaming heard. Her purse and phone are left behind. The vehicle is locked. The groceries are still there. It looks normal until you realize it absolutely is not.

In this episode of Things I Want To Know, we walk the timeline as clean as we can. What’s confirmed. What’s reported. What’s repeated so often online that people start calling it “truth.” We talk about allegations of abuse in the background and why secondhand claims can be both important and dangerous at the same time. We dig into the investigative pieces that matter: multiple cadaver dogs alerting on the same pond, the pond being drained, and nothing recovered. Ground-penetrating radar showing minor anomalies, but no confirmed burial. This is the kind of case where every lead creates two more shadows, especially in an area where tips can cross state lines fast and clarity can die of paperwork.

Then we zoom out, because the audience deserves perspective. Most missing person reports do get cleared. A lot of “missing” is miscommunication, family conflict, paperwork lag, runaway dynamics, addiction cycles, and people choosing to disappear for reasons that are ugly but not criminal. Abductions are real. Violence is real. But the public belief that it happens constantly to everyone, everywhere, is not supported by how the numbers usually shake out. That doesn’t make this case safer. It makes it sharper. Because when a scene is clean and the essentials are left behind, that’s when you have to stop guessing and start asking better questions.

Two children grew up without their mother. A community is left with a locked car, untouched groceries, and a timeline that still doesn’t add up. If you have information, share it with law enforcement. If you’ve got a theory, bring it to us as a theory, not a verdict.

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Transcript

Banter, Snow, And Theme Song Woes

Paul G 0:09

It's a little better than the last one.

Andrea 0:12

Yeah.

Paul G 0:12

It is a little base is way too heavy.

Andrea 0:17

Well, you merge three songs, right? No, there's samples. Sample songs, yeah.

Paul G 0:23

So welcome to Things I Wanna Know. I want to know why can't we get our theme song together? Well, it's because Tim is still working on it.

Andrea 0:32

Well, he's he's very much, you know, uh good at this sort of thing.

Paul G 0:36

So I went over there and did most, you know, did a lot of it to begin with. So he's supposed to throw a guitar track on it and a bass and all sorts of good stuff.

Andrea 0:42

Well, you know, he's very creative when it comes to this.

Paul G 0:45

He also is snowed in, so he's got something else to do.

Andrea 0:48

We're all snowed in for that.

Paul G 0:49

I'm not snowed in.

Andrea 0:51

You're just the idiot that drive in it. Really? Two mean names. You would be the middle of on our podcast. You would be the crazy one in like 12, 16 feet of snow to drive your car. So I'd at least try. Exactly. But there's nothing wrong with that. There's a reason. Of course, sometimes the media does really hype up around here about not driving because of the redneck people that would be like doing donuts with their car in the parking lot.

Paul G 1:20

Nah, I'm not gonna do anything dangerous.

Andrea 1:22

You know, there's also like 16-year-old boys that wouldn't be, you know, come on, they'd be doing donuts in the parking lot.

Paul G 1:27

I'd be in the parking lot going, that's a nine out of ten, it's not quite there. And you get a little bit more gas when you turn that wheel.

Andrea 1:34

And then they'll hit a patch of ice and end up in like uh flipped over in the ambulance call.

Paul G 1:39

And I'll I'll check on them if they're not severely injured and they get out and start laughing. I get my car and leave. But you have help people in the snow that decided to know nothing about that.

Andrea 1:48

That decided to walk, but not not this time around, but last year you did.

Paul G 1:52

Yeah, there's a it was in the middle of a freaking what might as well be an Arkansas blizzard. The visibility was down to like maybe 400 yards.

Andrea 2:00

Yeah, it was snowing pretty heavy.

Paul G 2:02

And wind and the snowflakes were about the size of a fist.

Andrea 2:07

They're pretty though.

Paul G 2:09

He was walking home.

Andrea 2:10

But he had his priorities.

Paul G 2:12

Yeah, he had his case of beer. He had walked to the neighborhood market, get some beer. I'm like, dude, man, come on, just get in the car. I'll take you back to your house where you live at. Oh, I'm over here. Makes sense why he walked, though, because it was like a half mile from the store, not even that, the quarter mile from the store.

Andrea 2:26

But I guess if you're gonna get snowed in with your family, you gotta have your uh Oh no, he lived in the shed out behind that guy's house. Oh, that's right. I remember that now. I'm like, okay, do okay. I hope it's warm.

Paul G 2:38

That's you know, I don't care. He won't care either when he gets down to all those beers. He'll I don't even want to think about what I would have gone over to the liquor store instead of spending twenty bucks on a twelve pack of beer, I would have spent twenty bucks on a nice bottle of whiskey and lasts longer and it has better effect.

Andrea 2:58

You know, everybody's got their thing. Yeah. So what are we talking about today? I don't know. I've told we've talked about this lady. Her name is Misty Dawn Faulkner, and she's from J, Oklahoma. J, Oklahoma. Or you in U E U C H A U U K. I don't know. I don't want to pronounce I'm gonna say J, Oklahoma.

Setting The Case: Misty Dawn Faulkner

Paul G 3:18

Yeah. Have you ever been out there?

Andrea 3:21

Uh I not that I can recall. I'm sitting here thinking when before we got on, like, have I been out in that area?

Paul G 3:26

And I have nothing out there, man.

Andrea 3:28

No, I don't think I have.

Paul G 3:30

There's something out there. They had a Walmart at one time and you said they closed it.

Andrea 3:34

But I'm trying to think all the trips I've made to McAllister. I'm not even close to there.

Paul G 3:37

No, you're going the wrong direction. Jay's up. Yeah. You're going down. Yeah. So Because you're down at Fort Smith.

Andrea 3:42

Yeah, so I'm sitting here thinking, like, if it's very similar to the drive that I've done to McAllister.

Paul G 3:47

Jay is up by West Salum, around in that area.

Andrea 3:51

Yeah, there's like nothing out there.

Paul G 3:52

When it gets Jay, you gotta go to that's why she worked in Missouri. Yeah. So we're like Joplin is actually just as close as Bella Vista.

Andrea 4:01

If you think about it though, we have Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas all all kind of come together. And depending upon where your town is that you live at, you could like work, live in one state and work in the other because it's closer or a bigger city that's closer to the state.

Paul G 4:17

I lived on the little edge there and I was single. I'd live in one state, work in another state, and have make sure I found a chick that lived in the other state.

Andrea 4:26

I don't want to know why. I've just, you know. Just to say.

Paul G 4:30

I can say I'm multi, you know, multicultural.

Andrea 4:34

Multicultural. I don't think I don't want to take the works. So, anyways, this Misty, well, we'll call her Misty. She basically uh was married, but she was separated from her husband. We'll start from there. And so she lives in Jay, Oklahoma.

Paul G 4:52

Well, her husband was she was separated from her husband because she claimed that he was choking her out, right?

Andrea 4:58

Well, her family states that he would beat her up, string try to strangle her.

Paul G 5:06

Now, where did we find that fact at?

Andrea 5:07

It was reported by one of the news stations.

Paul G 5:09

Okay.

Andrea 5:10

So um all this reporting is basically done off of the Charlie Project, uh, the two closest local news stations, um, I want to say KY3 and I can't remember what they call it. KY3.

Paul G 5:20

You're out of Missouri. Wing Wei out of Missouri.

Andrea 5:22

Oh, not KY.

Paul G 5:23

It was one of the ATUL, maybe?

Andrea 5:25

Yes. I knew it was one of those.

Paul G 5:26

That's Tulsa.

Andrea 5:27

Yeah, so it's one of those. Um, so there's not any hardly any newspaper clippings on this lady that I could even find.

Paul G 5:34

So according to the news according to the news stations, this family states suggest that he was abusive and beating her up and stuff.

Andrea 5:43

Basically like slapping her, strangling her, locking her in a fifth-wheel RV trailer for several days.

Paul G 5:48

Here's the thing about this is that you know how it is whenever somebody's getting divorced.

Andrea 5:55

You're your most vulnerable as a female.

Paul G 5:57

But also, as a man, sometimes you can't defend something that didn't happen. You can't defend yourself against something that didn't happen. It's like trying to prove a negative. It didn't happen.

Andrea 6:10

True.

Paul G 6:11

You know, try to prove that. You really can't. You can only prove it did. Not that it didn't. Trying to prove a negative is impossible.

Andrea 6:20

In this situation, it all I got was family reports, and this happened in a 2011.

Paul G 6:24

So I'm just trying to be, you know, even keel here. Because it doesn't not necessarily know that the if her family's saying that about him and they're getting a divorce and it's contentious, it's you know, I would say it m probably it could be, but we don't know if it's true.

Andrea 6:42

No, we won't know it's true because we're not either one of them, and it's not like some of these domestic violence issues that happen are sometimes very underreported, so there's no way we would be able to verify that.

Paul G 6:51

And on top of that, you know, I I you're looking at me like I'm being mean, but uh the devil's advocates what we do here.

Andrea 7:00

I understand.

Paul G 7:01

And uh it's you know, I just also making sure we're covering our bases too. We don't want to be, you know, have somebody yell at us, you called us this, and you said I did this, and I didn't. Well, no, we're just re we're just going over what we know, and we don't know anything other than what's out in the zeitgeist.

Andrea 7:18

Yeah, so what's been reported. But basically, this is this is a situation. Misty's living with her grandparents, and um we'll just say Jay Oklahoma, so it's I can't pronounce the other word. And she basically drives to work in Missouri. In Missouri, which is not that far. Um, I guess they said it was a 30-minute drive on something that I read.

Paul G 7:37

She works at a chicken plant.

Andrea 7:39

Yeah, southwest Southwest City, Missouri, and at Tyson's, which is pretty common around here.

Paul G 7:43

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The Night She Vanished

Andrea 7:44

Uh a lot of people work for Tyson.

Paul G 7:45

So she's blue collar, especially back then, you're working for Tyson's or Georgia's or something like that.

Andrea 7:49

So basically at 6 p.m. she gets off work. So before she gets off work, or right around that time, she calls her grandma and says, Hey, I'm gonna um go to Walmart and I'm gonna pick up some groceries. And so that's what she does. And it's been cited that she uh left the Walmart without any problems, and then she drives to her grandma's house, and it was reported that sometimes she had, you know, likes to talk on her cell phone to her friends and stuff while she's sitting in her car. That's what I do.

Paul G 8:15

I sit out of the car and talk to people.

Andrea 8:17

I know, which when I read this, I was like, that's what Paul does. So her grandparents didn't think anything of it. They thought, well, you know, she's talking to somebody, you know, she'll be in soon. And so these are her grandparents are going about their normal lives in the house. They're not thinking to keep checking out the window. But the grandfather's like, What's she's been out there a while. I'm gonna I'm just gonna go out there and get the least of groceries in.

Paul G 8:40

And and we don't know if the car was idling or if it was off, but we do know the door was locked when he walked up.

Andrea 8:46

That's correct. The door was locked and her cell phone, her purse.

Paul G 8:49

And the groceries.

Andrea 8:50

And her groceries was in there.

Paul G 8:52

And but she wasn't.

Andrea 8:53

But she wasn't, and the car was locked. But what's interesting thing though, as I was reading in one of the reports, she had money in her wallet.

Paul G 9:00

Yeah.

Andrea 9:00

So they don't think it was a robbery because she had like $150 on her wallet.

Paul G 9:03

I mean, even if I'm like, I still want that, you know. If I'm if I'm taking somebody, might as well take their cash too. I don't understand that.

Andrea 9:11

But f most women uh you don't leave without your cell phone or your purse. Yeah. I mean, period.

Paul G 9:18

I don't leave without my cell phone.

Andrea 9:19

Or at least your cell phone and your wallet. Cell phone and wallet, at least. I mean some women yeah, you don't have a purse.

Paul G 9:24

One guy had a purse last night, remember? Oh stop. He did. That Mormon guy from the from from the uh purse.

Andrea 9:31

I know, but I've I've I I know it's and it's very unusual. But um I remember going, yes, Paul, he's just he's he's special.

Paul G 9:40

Yes. But basically though, they need a purse to put his personal items in so he didn't forget them.

Andrea 9:48

I don't even want to know what would go on there. So basically, the part that like really wigged me out about reading that was this is something we all do. Yeah, we all like not saying that we like sit in our car and talk on the cell phone, but we're just getting home. We're about to get out of the car, maybe you're finishing up a call, and then poof, she's gone.

Paul G 10:07

Yeah, and no one's ever found her. Nobody means nothing. Nothing. And this is what 2011.

Andrea 10:13

This happened in on January fourteen uh yeah, January 14th, 2011. Wow.

Paul G 10:18

You know what this is eerily like is that other case. Just down the road, Bella Vista.

Andrea 10:23

Oh yeah, yeah.

Paul G 10:24

She went to the gas station.

Andrea 10:25

Yeah.

Paul G 10:26

Coming home, pull over the side of the road, gone. And then they found her in the in the woods by the squirrel man, told him that he was in there. She was down there.

Andrea 10:35

Yeah, he was hunting something, I remember. He was hunting squirrels.

Paul G 10:38

Yeah. But he didn't want to disrupt the squirrel, so he didn't report the body, which he knew was a body for two to two or three days. Oh, that's still a rest. That guy needs to be investigated. But anyway, whatever. That's like, duh, that's the guy, probably, more than likely. But I don't know. It could not be. He could just be a jerk.

Andrea 10:55

Yeah. Hunting is a big deal around here, and people get very upset.

Paul G 10:58

Squirrels are everywhere.

Andrea 11:00

But some I've met some people, like you don't get in you don't take them away from their hunting deer or whatever. It's gotta be like Jesus is coming back, or like, you know.

Paul G 11:09

Even then. Yeah, probably. But it's eerily like that one because it's she's just poof, gone.

Andrea 11:15

She's poof gone. So of course, you know, the police come and all this do all this investigation. They've done all these basically if you're familiar.

Paul G 11:27

Yes. And then what they gave him a lie detector, didn't they?

Andrea 11:30

Yeah, and he failed it. And what's interesting about this guy, Francis Eli Faulkner the second, is he's a minister.

Paul G 11:37

Or at least listed as a minister as a minister. But the interesting thing about public information, it's not like calling anybody out here. But he was found to not have anything to do with it. So Well he accorded to the police.

Andrea 11:49

Yeah, he failed a lot and didn't fail. He didn't fail either. He passed passed a lie detector test. A light detector test, which means nothing.

Paul G 11:55

And then he just let it go.

Andrea 11:56

And I mean, we don't know what they're doing. For all we know, he passed a lie detector test and they're still looking into him. I mean, we honestly don't know. They're not going to tell us in the world.

Paul G 12:05

We can't say that we don't know.

Andrea 12:08

He ain't he's just a person of interest.

Paul G 12:10

And he he may not have done it. He may have been home with the kids. Because he had their kids at home and she just took off, went to stay with her grandparents.

Andrea 12:18

I don't quite think that way.

Paul G 12:19

You don't think that's what happened? That's what you told me earlier.

Andrea 12:21

I think that they were going through a situation. If he's I I'm just thinking if a woman is going to leave quickly, either you take your kids with you, or he threatened her. Now, this is alleged. I'm not saying this is what happened. I don't know what happened, but I'm thinking in my head, for me In your situation. In my situation, I would take my kids with me or I'd be dead before you took my kids from me.

Paul G 12:48

Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. Something happened where she left the kids. Yeah, which so that from your logic, that's suspicious. I think that's just suspicious as a parent that but but then again, some she have met some strange dude and said, Yeah, come over and gone.

Andrea 13:05

But to leave your cell phone in your purse, that makes no sense for a woman.

Paul G 13:09

I I I don't know. I mean, it doesn't make any sense for her to leave her kids with the abusive husband.

Andrea 13:14

I think maybe she was threatened. Um I think maybe she felt like maybe she couldn't take care of him. Maybe he could provide better than her, and they were in the best situation, but it wasn't the best situation for her. Maybe they were separated.

Paul G 13:28

It may have just been a week, too.

Andrea 13:30

And yeah, we don't know. Separated for a little while until they figure out what they want to do.

Paul G 13:35

We don't have that kind of info, do we?

Andrea 13:37

And so I'm not placing any blame on her judgment. I just think that it's just something odd about the person, you know, the cell phone being in the car would make me think the only way I would do that is if I knew the person.

Paul G 13:54

Yeah.

Andrea 13:54

And I knew that it would be a quick trip, like, I don't know, up the road to do something and come back.

Paul G 13:58

You'd take your phone anyway, though.

Andrea 14:00

At least. But you're having a conversation with somebody.

Paul G 14:03

Or not everybody thinks about that, though.

Andrea 14:06

She's forced out of the car and she just doesn't think.

Paul G 14:10

But it didn't, there was no signs of a struggle. There was no signs of anybody fighting.

Andrea 14:14

No signs of a struggle, no sign of any fighting. It just looked like she literally just disappeared off the planet. But interesting enough, though, over the years, there's not been obviously hardly any there's no body. Yeah. There's no DNA.

Paul G 14:26

Well, they almost found a body. They figured they found something when they did a canvassing, right?

Andrea 14:30

They found nothing.

Paul G 14:31

But but the so the police followed up and they were talking to the husband, gave him a lie detector test.

Andrea 14:38

And he passed.

Suspicions, Abuse Claims, And Caveats

Paul G 14:39

He passed. Kids don't know nothing.

Andrea 14:41

Yeah.

Paul G 14:41

Grandparents don't know nothing. So they get the dogs out.

Andrea 14:45

Yeah, this is the dogs. They had eight cadaver dogs that would go to this all this one particular pond in the area.

Paul G 14:53

Did they take them individually or did they take them all at once?

Andrea 14:55

It never said. It said eight in it said eight dogs. I'm not I'm assuming that maybe if you do cadaver dogs that you do one at a time.

Paul G 15:03

I would think because then you get double confirmation and you get it so you can dig.

Andrea 15:07

Yeah, and so they would go to the same spot, but when they around this pond, but they drained the pond and all that stuff, and there was no clothing found, there was nothing found.

Paul G 15:15

And the the thing that you gotta think about too is are they cadaver dogs or just sniffer dogs?

Andrea 15:23

It said cadaver in the report.

Paul G 15:25

Okay. So I mean if they're cadaver dogs, then they're specifically trained on decomposing humans. Yeah. Because decomposing humans smell different than a decomposing cow or a cat or a dog.

Andrea 15:39

Yeah, they're trained to find specifically humans.

Paul G 15:42

Because of our our internal bacteria that we carry naturally, because everybody's got bacteria, and most of it's good. We our body uses it to digest and break down food. That's specific to us because we're omnivores.

Andrea 15:58

Yeah.

Paul G 15:59

Dogs are more carnivores than our omnivores, but we're down the middle of both, and we eat everything.

Andrea 16:08

Okay.

Paul G 16:08

And so our bacteria is different because of that. Because otherwise we wouldn't be able to you know, it's like a pan that can only eat bamboo.

Andrea 16:19

Yeah.

Paul G 16:19

Because it can't digest anything else but bamboo. And it's a combination of bacteria and the stomach acid.

Andrea 16:26

Okay.

Paul G 16:27

Same with humans. So those dogs are trained to find the specific smell. Now, if they weren't cadaver dogs and they were just trackers to sniffer dogs. If maybe there's one cadaver dog and a bunch of sniffer dogs, that's a different story. But it says they're cadaver dogs, but eight cadaver dogs, does Oklahoma even have that many? That's the question I have, because I know Oklahoma's really poor, especially out there on the uh eastern side of Oklahoma. There's nothing out there and nobody has any money.

Andrea 16:59

I would em I would guess you would probably none of the cities have any money, put it that way. Oklahoma City would probably have one or two and they would be called a little city.

Paul G 17:07

Come out of Tulsa.

Andrea 17:08

Come out of Tulsa, yeah. The thing that makes me kind of curious also about the d husband is the fact that there was um a witness came forward saying that um they saw um on her cell phone, well, granted, I would think that this would come out after the fact, but a witness came forward saying that they saw on her on you know, Missy on her cell phone basically statements of um if I can't have you, nobody can, or um she will pay and will die. And these were several like a month prior to her disappearance from the ex-husband.

Paul G 17:40

Unfortunately. Unfortunately, it's hearsay because she saw it.

Andrea 17:46

Yeah, but I could not find any reports specifically stating that law enforcement put that took that off the phone.

Paul G 17:53

Right.

Andrea 17:54

So like I said, I don't know, but that kind of makes me look, that's kind of sus.

Paul G 18:00

You've been hanging around your daughter too much. Sus.

Andrea 18:03

Well, suspicious, sus, whatever. But I mean, I can kind of see a situation where a young lady, if the family is correct, and granted they could be wrong.

Paul G 18:13

Yeah.

Andrea 18:14

But if they are, then he's got this giant bullseye on his head.

Paul G 18:19

Yeah.

Andrea 18:20

And anybody can pass a lie detector test if you just stay calm and know how to cheat the questions.

Paul G 18:25

It's all a lie detector test is it's just it's your blood pressure, yeah. Your breathing and your heart rate.

Andrea 18:32

And if you could or someone that's cool under pressure, then you can easily on drugs. It's true, drugs will do that too. And it's admissible in court for a reason.

Paul G 18:41

Yeah, because it's the problem is you don't know if say that it comes up that they're lying. You don't know what they're lying about.

Andrea 18:48

That's well, I think they can tell based upon like uh everything spikes or rises with particular questions. That's always been the impression I've gotten.

Paul G 18:57

Well, with false confessions. Oh, yeah. They'll they'll completely break they'll never answer that lie detector correctly. It'll always be false. But they're because they're lying about the lie.

Andrea 19:10

Yeah, yeah.

Paul G 19:11

You know, so it you don't know what they're lying about, and it can it can snowball on itself really quick, and that's why nobody can use them. Because it's not a mind reader, it's just all it is is your physiology. You have uh uh one sensor on the top of your ribcage, one sensor at your diaphragm.

Andrea 19:28

And you have one on your finger.

Paul G 19:29

Yeah. And and then you get your blood pressure.

Andrea 19:32

Yeah. And if you think about it, if you're someone who's d hasn't done anything and you're just stressed out because you're sitting in a light attacking chair. So I'm like, can you freaking do this, you idiots? I can see someone being so scared that they make it false positive.

Paul G 19:45

And or somebody's just really anxious anxious that you kill this person.

Andrea 19:52

Oh I mean, I can't boom false positive false positive. Which is why they are inadmissible in court, which is but I don't know uh the weird thing about this case. Is uh there's nothing. But the sad thing about this case is she had two children.

Paul G 20:05

Yeah.

Andrea 20:06

And she could see her children on the evenings and weekends.

Paul G 20:09

So that sounds court ordered to me.

Andrea 20:12

I don't it doesn't have to be court ordered.

Paul G 20:15

But it sounds like a court got involved, or she wouldn't have it only on Oh, maybe that's all he's allowing her to see them because maybe she left. Okay. I mean, I don't know. I don't have kids. I've never been in that problem.

Andrea 20:26

So I can I've had personal situation where I've not done that, but it's been done to me.

Paul G 20:32

But you see what I mean? I I I really I would as somebody looking in, I would say, well, that sounds court ordered to me. Or a court agreement.

Andrea 20:40

Court agreements, though, in their particular situation, even if that husband was being uh an a-hole and you know it was basically like you can't see them, the police department's not going to come out and help you with that. It's a domestic issue, and they're not gonna help you.

Paul G 20:55

So um they'll they they they'll help you get that person off your property if they're not supposed to be there, but that's the extent of it.

Andrea 21:01

So you know, I don't I don't know. I just think it's awfully odd. I mean, the text messages, granted we're here say uh I didn't find any I I can't I didn't see it was basically stated from the newscasters that a witness came forward and this was what was found. It didn't say it came from the police department.

Cadaver Dogs, The Pond, And No Evidence

Paul G 21:19

Right. It could just be somebody calling the press and saying, Oh, that guy's a jerk, I don't like him. And it may, you know, who knows? But at the same time, you got people are evil sometimes when they feel like they know they can really tear somebody up. I'm I know from experience because there's many times that I've done nothing wrong and been blamed for it and to take the fall for it. I didn't do anything.

Andrea 21:41

I have an elementary school, it's time to let go.

Paul G 21:43

Yeah, this that was the biggest one. That was my first one that made me very sensitive to it. At least I know about it and I admit it. Which is the first step to healing.

Andrea 21:52

Oh my god.

Paul G 21:54

But in 2017, the Delaware County Sheriff, if I'm reading this correctly, uh they stated that it had always been a homicide, treated as a homicide from the very beginning. So that's good news because usually they don't do that.

Andrea 22:08

Which statistically now for her, it would be a homicide for sure.

Paul G 22:12

It's definitely a homicide.

Andrea 22:13

From 2011 2017, I can't and it was I found out in some of the news reports that her family swears up and down that she would never leave her children for you know, never not be in contact with her children.

Paul G 22:25

Okay, so here's the answer to the question I had earlier. In 2023, this isn't until 2023, so they've already talked to him and basically gone nowhere and died. The case is cold. In twenty twenty-three is when they uh multiple entities participated in a search using cadaver dogs and ground penetrating radar. But they only did it over twenty square foot near a former Baie Batty Homestead. I don't know what that B A T Y Batty Homestead.

Andrea 22:57

I don't know what that is.

Paul G 22:58

Sheriff James Black said radar showed minor anomalies, but nothing suggested a burial and they planned, quote unquote, a closer look at the pond. I don't know if they drained it. Did you say did you find it?

Andrea 23:10

Yeah, I got a news report where they drained it and they said that nothing was there. There was no clothing, there was no bones, there was no nothing. So I mean, where do you go if you disappear out of your basically your driveway? And there you can't use fingerprints. We could, but the people are normally gonna be in your car would be your husband, you and your children and your family. That would make sense for people that be in your car. So those fingerprints aren't helpful. Um there's no body, so there's no DNA evidence.

Paul G 23:40

There's no they excavated the the whole pond, too. Yeah. How about that?

Andrea 23:44

And um where are they gonna go with this? I mean, the sad thing is is this was a mom who had two children who was having some um marital issues, right? Trying to do the right thing, be separated. Whatever was gonna happen between them, we'll never know because well, she disappeared. So um where do you find her? They did I did read one news report where they found a body around the area, but they swear that the the body is not her.

Paul G 24:12

Hope they DNA'd it.

Andrea 24:14

I would it doesn't say, but I would like to say it did say in one report that they didn't want the family to go through emotional turmoil. So that would make me think that might have been a suicide.

Paul G 24:24

That sounds like a suicide to me.

Andrea 24:26

That they would have to say, Hey, I need your if they didn't think it was her, yeah, then they wouldn't DNA test. But at the same time, if they did, they would say we need to get a sample and check.

Paul G 24:35

Well, working in the news business, whenever there was a suicide, um we had very strict rules on how we reported it.

Andrea 24:45

Makes sense.

Paul G 24:46

Because there's a thing, and I didn't believe it was true, but it is. When you report on suicide, somebody killing themselves on the on the local news, suicide attempts go up. I've heard that. Is that weird?

Andrea 25:00

I guess if people could see that one other person do it, uh and you're if you're feeling you're doing that way emotionally, you'd be like, okay, I'm gonna do it too.

Paul G 25:08

Yeah. So it's it it it sounds like a from from from my point of view for working in the news cam news business, because I was the chief editor at a 4029 uh news station here for five years. That tells me I hints at it it was a suicide, we want to respect the family. So we're not gonna tell you how they died. They're just talk to them.

Andrea 25:34

But why would they even ask them or I I guess I got the impression reading that is we're not gonna have this family go to emotional turmoil and tell them it's their loved one until we have a DNA match.

Paul G 25:44

Right. But more than likely, that sounds sounds like the person went up there and killed themselves and they just need to prove who it was.

Andrea 25:51

Yeah.

Paul G 25:51

That's what it sounds like to me. They don't use hedging language like that unless it's a suicide.

Andrea 25:56

Or it's linked to someone else who's committed murder and dump them out there. I mean, this is Oklahoma.

Paul G 26:00

Generally, but yeah, I understand that. It is Oklahoma. You're right. Delaware County has nothing. It is a broke county.

Andrea 26:06

Well, it's where anywhere you go.

Paul G 26:07

I mean, Well, it's Oklahoma, they're broke too. Their finances have been in the mess for were definitely in a mess back then. And in 2017, 20, you know, it was really in a mess. The state was fighting bankruptcy for a while.

Andrea 26:21

But I mean, uh we can't all assume that there's just like more than one person committing crimes out there.

Paul G 26:26

Right, right, right. And you know, that brings me to something that I wanted to bring up. Um that you know, you're initially, I think you initially initially um objected to, but I feel it's important to tell people. I didn't object to this. Well, the look on your face is like, why are you gonna tell you that? Why? It's okay. Um America's got about 340 million people in it. That's not that's documented people. Who knows who were here that aren't in the last census now. Yeah. Right. Because whether you like it or not, we had 10 million people cross the border in the past four years. I'm not getting political. It's a fact. Keep 'em, let them make them go, but doesn't matter, it's not what we're talking about. So if you uh because we have 340 million people, uh raw numbers are always going to sound terrifying. And in a recent year, the national system logged roughly half a million missing persons. Right? And it sounds insane until you hear the second number. About the same number were cleared. Found, not missing.

Lie Detectors, Rumored Texts, And Limits

Andrea 27:51

Is this a statistic that's a general statistic, or did you pull it off of a website? Because the reason why I say that is I looked at their namus, which if you guys are interested in like looking at missing person cases or even like, you know, uh unidentified cases, it's like a national database. Yeah. But their statistics, because I was curious, like how many people have gone missing in Oklahoma in 2024? Because 2025's not complete that time posted. And I was just kind of curious because I was kind of I just was curious. And the name is the statistics are only based upon who reports through their organization.

Paul G 28:24

Yeah, I've got it somewhere here.

Andrea 28:26

So it makes me think these other statistics that we hear out there, like, is it from one particular organization that reports to them? Then obviously, if there's like three of them out there, then there's three different statistics or whatever, but okay.

Paul G 28:38

So I got this from the US Pomp uh US Census, N C I C missing person records, uh, and MPC was used. Uh and NCMEC. So I've compiled them from four different sources.

Andrea 28:55

Okay.

Paul G 28:56

Uh and that's where these statistics come from. The US population is 340.1 million. Just for perspective, Arkansas's got three three and a half million people in it, maybe two and a half million people in it uh as of twenty eighteen. So that's what I remember. Missing person records, five hundred and thirty-three thousand nine hundred and thirty-six. Uh they removed five hundred and thirty-seven thousand four hundred and forty-six records from that that year.

Andrea 29:28

Removed based upon they were found?

Paul G 29:31

Yeah. Removed or found. They could be deceased, but found. So you're looking at one percent of the missing persons. I know that number is upside down, but they're removing people from that were on there from the previous year as well. But uh they're we're looking at about one percent of the people who are missing uh are abductions. Or nefarious, or not found.

Andrea 30:01

Okay.

Paul G 30:01

They're not found, it's generally considered nefarious.

Andrea 30:05

I mean, yeah, more than likely, yeah.

Paul G 30:08

So what I'm trying to say is that just because we listen to this true crime stuff all the time doesn't mean that the world is an evil place and we're gonna be a danger of being can kidnapped at any moment. More than likely. When you know this statistic, uh when somebody is killed, it's generally family members very close friends.

Andrea 30:28

Correct.

Paul G 30:29

It's never, very rarely, somebody they don't know.

Andrea 30:34

I think the reason that probably that all this stuff gets like blown out of people start thinking about this is because of the 70s and 80s when we were hearing so many of those pe those cases from people that become infamous because of the time period, like Ted Bundy, yeah, Dahmer.

Paul G 30:52

Yeah, they were hyping it up.

Andrea 30:53

Right. All those people killed like random people in, you know, or stock up, ETK, for example. I mean, all these people, like those are what make people stop and think about the randomness because there's so many names attached to that.

Paul G 31:08

Right. And it was a it was a bleeds it leads kind of thing too. People were loving to hear about it.

Andrea 31:14

Probably, because I mean it brought out the reckless behavior of the culture of the 70s, yeah, 80s. But but because of that, we a lot of things have advanced. We have like cameras on things. We've got like, you know, cell phones that can ping you where you're at. You can get apps for that or even for free. You've got like so many other things that you can get now. Like you can get, which I was thinking about getting for my kid when she goes off to college, you can get it as a jewelry, beautiful piece of jewelry that you can ping to let them know that you're and I don't know how it works, the details of it, but like do you have to be in your Wi-Fi? I I gotta do some research. But it says that you can let you know where you're at, like law enforcement know where you're at if you feel uncomfortable.

Paul G 31:56

You do it with your phone too. So yeah, more than you because they're gonna take your phone and turn it off or crush it or turn it off.

Andrea 32:02

But I was like, wow, because of that, we've advanced into that. I mean, people hitchhiked for in the 70s and 80s, and that was considered normal.

Paul G 32:11

So and it's not just you know, serial killers didn't go away in the 80s.

Andrea 32:15

No, they're around.

Paul G 32:17

Yeah.

Andrea 32:18

We just don't talk about them.

Paul G 32:20

Greg Hurman, July 23, 2023. Seven people. That's the Gilgown Beach guy.

Andrea 32:27

Oh, that guy, yeah.

Paul G 32:28

Anthony Robinson uh killed four. Billy Chemer. I can't pronounce his name. Uh twenty-two elderly women.

Andrea 32:40

Samuel Little uh Samuel Little, I've heard that. I think he uh out of Louisiana, I think.

Paul G 32:48

Yeah, they just now started finding the people who he killed and who he did. So th those are just a couple. And if you if we had a way of tracking it that wasn't private within the FBI, I bet you there'd probably be a twenty or thirty a year they catch. Because we have so many people in the country.

Andrea 33:07

Well, not only that, but back then we didn't even share databases for fingerprints.

Paul G 33:11

The forty killer was like primary suspect on that one.

Andrea 33:14

Yeah, we didn't share anything from state to state.

Paul G 33:17

No one knew they had a serial killer on their hands because the guy was driving on the interstate. Yeah. Jurisdiction to jurisdiction. So it's possible somebody tracked her down and got her that didn't know her, but more than likely, it's someone who knows. I mean, statistically, it's someone she knows.

Andrea 33:35

Which is why they always investigate people from the husband's the first one to be interrogated. And it did say in news reports of an ex-boyfriend. Now, ex-boyfriend meaning like from high school, meaning like we don't know what that means. Um is it I could find nothing that I could find reported that she had a current boyfriend or any type of situation. I would, you know, a lot of this stuff, if Oklahoma does anything like Arkansas, they're not gonna tell you like a whole lot of detail until it's over because Oklahoma's more open with their information than Arkansas is that that's for sure.

Paul G 34:08

Because I can find more stuff in Oklahoma murders than I can find it on Arkansas stuff. They just tight-lipped here in Arkansas, they're not gonna tell you.

Andrea 34:16

Which uh that that's that's not a bad thing.

Stats, Context, And True Crime Bias

Paul G 34:18

It's up to them. I mean, it's what it is. So um I think again, this Florida man is the reason why we have Florida Man because they have to release it immediately. Yeah. They have 24 hours that it has to be out in the the public to even know why you got arrested.

Andrea 34:33

I mean, I guess there's good and bad about Florida man. I mean, uh if every state reported like something bad that happened, uh it could either be like, are they trying to like quell potential like like you know, like serial killers whenever the that kind of stuff was happening and they're all tight-lipped, and then all of a sudden they come out and after like six people die, like, oh, we have somebody coming around that's talking like single white females with a blue truck. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But Florida's like, oh, we're gonna tell them right away. You know, there's good and bad to that, you know what I'm saying?

Paul G 35:04

But on this case, I I it's tough because lack of evidence, forensic evidence, is a is a killer.

Andrea 35:13

But also I find reports where the grandparents were interviewed saying they didn't hear any screaming. Right. They didn't hear nothing to make them think to go outside. They thought that she was just sitting in the car.

Paul G 35:23

I mean, I did they did are their hearing aids off? Is the TV up as loud as it could possibly go? I mean, I've got we've all seen that.

Andrea 35:32

I'm nothing like that's reported, and I don't think it would be.

Paul G 35:34

They're not gonna ever report that, no.

Andrea 35:36

But I just the note the cell phone and the purse and the car, that's what gets me, because it makes me think either you were a gunpoint or some sort of forced get out of a car, get in my car now.

Paul G 35:50

Yeah.

Andrea 35:51

Or she knew them and she thought she was coming right. But even if you know them and thought you're coming right back, you would take your cell phone.

Paul G 35:59

I I don't know.

Andrea 36:00

You wouldn't leave as a woman.

Paul G 36:01

She locked her car.

Andrea 36:02

So obviously, yeah.

Paul G 36:04

But her keys are in the car.

Andrea 36:05

I can find nothing about what happened to the keys.

Paul G 36:08

Okay.

Andrea 36:08

So I don't know.

Paul G 36:09

But I wouldn't make sense if she locked her stuff in the car because she didn't want somebody going through it.

Andrea 36:14

Yeah, yeah.

Paul G 36:14

But it So that you know, her phone could be in the car if she's out there talking to somebody, she knows it's an adversary, but she trusts them enough to not be adversarial.

Andrea 36:26

But it's the cell phone in the car in in the car and the purse thing that gets me, because I would like to think if you're just going up the road with your friend, you would take your cell phone.

Paul G 36:34

I'd want to know where her keys are.

Andrea 36:35

I could not find anything.

Paul G 36:37

If the keys were in the car or if they were missing.

Andrea 36:38

Because if they're missing She took them with her and she locked everything up to make something secure.

Paul G 36:43

Yeah, because she knew she was but she didn't take her wallet. I there's your ID and your phone. I mean, she doesn't want somebody reading her phone, taking her phone from her and looking at it. Say who's this man you're talking to, kind of thing.

Andrea 36:59

I mean maybe she got in a car with somebody she knew. And just locked everything up and thought she was gonna come right back.

Paul G 37:07

I'm thinking the police are correct to interview the husband.

Andrea 37:10

I do too.

Paul G 37:12

But I we don't there's nothing to prove he did anything wrong, so he's an innocent man.

Andrea 37:16

I did find something on him though. I was looking him up because I was like, okay, minister, what are you a minister of? I'm just curious. See, can I find something on it?

Paul G 37:22

It's like 70,000 churches in the middle of the year.

Andrea 37:24

Yeah, there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Twelve churches.

Paul G 37:32

Twelve churches in a population population. I gotta look that up with population of Jay.

Andrea 37:37

But another interesting thing I found out is he was also hired by the police department that investigated his wife's disappearance.

Paul G 37:44

What was he doing for him? Was he a pastor or was he a pastor, I think. Oh, well, that's different. He doesn't have access to anything.

Andrea 37:50

But that's interesting because it makes me think, well, okay, that sounds sinister, but no, maybe not. It was a small town.

Paul G 37:55

Maybe the pastor. I mean, he's out there to give, you know, help grieving people who lost a loved one and things like that. And that's what pastors do. So that's that's they only have Jay only has 2,400 people.

Andrea 38:08

And how many churches? I say seven? Twelve. Twelve churches. That's a lot of churches. But it's also a very rural area, so maybe it's the next biggest town that they would have to accommodate all faiths. But they don't really have all faiths.

Paul G 38:20

It's all Baptist and Abbott and Adventists and stuff like that. Baptist, maybe a Lutheran church out there.

Andrea 38:26

Church of Christ, New Hope's House of Prayer.

Paul G 38:31

New Hope's House of Prayer.

Andrea 38:32

Where's the one that I found in here? Oh, J. Bible Church Miss Claus Miss Claus Coffee House.

Paul G 38:40

Okay. She's serving coffee too. Well as of 2024, uh there's forty-one thousand seven hundred and seventy-one people living in Delaware County. Now the counties out here in the south, in the Midwest, South, they are huge. They are not the counties of the Northeast.

Andrea 39:00

I've always thought all counties were kind of big.

Paul G 39:04

Some of those counties in the Northeast can get quite small. But uh here in the South, I mean, there's some of these some of these counties are as big as Vermont.

Andrea 39:18

Yeah, I yeah, yeah, that's probably a fair statement.

Paul G 39:20

Vermont and Maine. Yeah. So and it's really, really uh rural out there. It's it's just like it's almost like Eureka. It's very hilly over there. It has plains and about half of it, and then it gets really mountainous.

Andrea 39:35

Yeah.

Paul G 39:36

It's it's kind of where the Boston Mountain, the edge of the Boston Mountains kind of fade away.

Andrea 39:41

Yeah, that makes sense.

Paul G 39:42

But there are places on it that are just plains. So I mean it was huge farm country back in in whenever they did the uh the land rush in the eighteen hundreds.

Andrea 39:53

I found out something else interesting about this the husband.

Paul G 39:56

Uh oh.

Andrea 39:57

I was just looking up his name, just googling it, okay?

Paul G 40:00

So this is a Google, so it could not be him, too.

Andrea 40:02

I found an obituary for his dad.

Paul G 40:05

His dad died.

Andrea 40:06

In Jay Oklahoma area.

Paul G 40:09

Oh.

Andrea 40:09

And he's listed on there. You know, he's his dad's the first, he's the second. Yeah. Uh he remarried. Oh. According to the obituary.

Paul G 40:18

According to the obituary.

Andrea 40:19

Yeah. Which That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's been a long time. So makes me think like I guess you have to legally say your wife's dead to remarry, I guess, is how that works.

Paul G 40:31

If they had divorce proceedings and she'd already filed for divorce. We don't know.

Andrea 40:35

We don't know.

Paul G 40:36

But then it would just be pushed through and and sorry, dude. Because they'd want to cut him off from her and from her life insurance and inheritance and stuff like that, too, to make it go to family.

Andrea 40:46

Or he had her declared dead.

Paul G 40:48

Uh maybe.

Andrea 40:50

I mean, that's another option.

Paul G 40:51

Declaring somebody dead is not easy. That takes a long time. It's a huge legal battle.

Andrea 40:58

Makes sense.

Paul G 40:58

I mean as it should be, because somebody might not be dead.

Andrea 41:02

You know, so I mean, how would you like to be like remarried and all of a sudden your ex-wife shows up? There's a whole there's a whole TV show. Yeah, there's a whole TV show and your current wife comes back. I mean, that list makes things 100% awkward across the board.

Small Town Dynamics And Leads

Paul G 41:16

So Cade Mercer, our local AI sleuth who knows who is supposed to draw on everything we know about homicide. Because that's why I've loaded the AI. The moderately high is the known person pickup turns coercive at the driveway, which makes sense. In other words, she got out to talk to somebody and took her. That's probably what happened.

Andrea 41:43

That's more than likely what happened.

Paul G 41:44

Um But who is what we'll never know. And moderate, though, is his only intimate partner, former partner violence with rapid removal. It's uh the evidence to confirm or weaken it would be they needed corroborated threat history, which we don't have here.

Andrea 42:02

That's not 100% substantial. It's not substantiated. No, we only have what family says, and sometimes family can be wrong.

Paul G 42:08

And location data placing the person near I don't know are the same. Right? And then I think this is wrong here. It says financial communication patterns. Well, of course they're gonna have financial patterns that the enter main goal if it's the husband because they're married. Duh. So that's like him getting remarried. It's not a it doesn't really point to anything because it's it's not like it was last year. This was years ago. And then the other one is voluntary, but disappearance is it it it estimates it the AI is as low.

Andrea 42:43

Yeah, the family was very adamant that she would never ever like to drop off and not see her children.

Paul G 42:48

Yeah, and I believe that's probably true. No one I've known it's weird how ladies, no offense or anything, get really tied up with their kids. And guys, not as much as the ladies.

Andrea 43:00

Yeah, women like that's why it was hard for me to think that they weren't living together, but then I had to step back and think like sometimes you make tough decisions as a female because it is what's best for your children, and maybe the situation was that way.

Paul G 43:12

And there's nothing wrong with it.

Andrea 43:14

No, there's nothing wrong with that, and that makes you a good mom if you can make that decision.

Paul G 43:17

And it it's and it's a good decision. Yeah. Not a bad decision.

Andrea 43:20

No, it just like made me think like, would I do it? No, but would I be for if I had to be forced to and it was right for the kids, yeah, I would do what's best for myself.

Paul G 43:29

As of today, there's nobody. Nobody. No nothing. No suspects, no nothing. And I don't, you know, I mean, we can't put it past the person like she's she she could still be out there. You know, whoever did it. Yeah. I don't know. And and the suspects the problem are is that the way the system works, I think if he sent her a bunch of threatening messages, they'd be able to get that. And it would be you know, obviously they're gonna give the husband especially contention to separation undue, you know, due diligence and make sure that that dude didn't do it or did do it, one of the two. Because that's again the statistics, it's always this it's it's always a spouse. But also maybe nine times out of ten.

Andrea 44:18

Maybe they think he did, but they have nothing to prove it.

Paul G 44:22

There's yeah, an evidentiary. We you know, is he's innocent until proven guilty.

Andrea 44:27

You can write uh mean text messages to someone saying like I'm gonna kill you or I'm gonna But it could also be a new boyfriend she met. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna beat you up and you're saying it out of anger, but and then they die. Well, of course they're gonna come look at you because you made these comments, but doesn't mean you did it. Doesn't mean you did it. So yeah, I mean maybe she had a boyfriend. Who knows?

Paul G 44:49

She could have met somebody at the barn and she said, Follow me home and I'll go with you. But if you think about it though, you know, I mean, we don't know what she was doing. She's having a contentious time. She may have been she may have been meeting somebody for some pot.

Andrea 45:02

I mean who's all we know. 2011 in a highly religious community, and divorce is still highly frowned upon in those times, even it's better now, but I mean but yeah, I can see where you're I mean if she comes from a deep religious family, and maybe she's not gonna tell family or friends that she met someone.

Paul G 45:21

I just don't think there's enough of anything going on.

Andrea 45:23

No, which is really creepy because it makes you stop and think like am I I've kept thinking maybe time you you're sitting in I'm not worried about you now that I say this because no one's gonna take you because you'll defend yourself.

Paul G 45:34

Nobody's gonna take me. I'm a 300-pound man who'll kick your ass.

Andrea 45:37

Pretty much.

Paul G 45:38

Yeah, I'm not gonna go quietly. It's good, you're gonna take a few bruises.

Andrea 45:42

Yeah. But like paying attention to like when you're in your comfort zone or in an area where you feel comfortable to always remember it can anything can happen. Like, I you always get on to me about locking doors. I we go outside, I lock the door behind me. I lived north of Dallas, it's just ingrained in my skull.

Paul G 46:00

You had big cities like that, yeah. So but always lock the door.

Andrea 46:03

Be mindful to tell my children, be mindful of the area where you're sitting in your car at in a parking lot or at your house or wherever, talking on the phone. Be mindful of your surroundings.

Paul G 46:12

Because uh a 300-pound man like me, if I was a nefarious person, a very bad guy, which I'm not, never have been, there's very few women that are gonna be able to defend.

Andrea 46:27

I don't know if a woman could.

Paul G 46:28

I'm not trying to like Well, there's some women out there to whoop my ass.

Andrea 46:31

But a few, like if they bench press like the world. I mean I don't know about that. But but I'm saying you would be somebody She knows how strong I actually am.

Paul G 46:40

Yeah, you can look at me and not know. So, because but you know, she knows just she's my wife, so she's gonna know.

Andrea 46:49

Like I I would be more like, you know, if something like that was happening in the front yard, I'd come out and be like, okay, Paul, whoop his whoop him, you know. I'd be like, I don't think so. I might I might lose. I'm gonna call 911, but you're gonna win.

Paul G 47:03

You know, I might lose. I might lose. That's the thing.

Andrea 47:05

I mean, I'm just saying, like, I'm not worried, but it makes me think of like I think you could go in and get the 45.

Paul G 47:10

That's what I'm gonna do.

Andrea 47:11

My kids in college. I have four, I have three girls, so it makes me very, like, very uh studiously aware. And they listen to podcasts too. They listen to all this true crime stuff, but they're well, one of them does. And they always giggle at me while I'm like, be careful of this, be careful of that. And I'm like, you just be mindful of your surroundings as a woman.

Paul G 47:29

Yeah, as a woman, because you're you're especially if you're small, some women are quite small, and big old dude like me. That's why they that's why the bouncers at the nightclubs aren't little guys.

Andrea 47:41

No.

Paul G 47:42

They're huge monsters that can take me, two of them can pick me up and throw me out the door. Right?

Andrea 47:49

Yeah.

Safety, Situational Awareness, And Takeaways

Paul G 47:49

Ron White found that out the hard way. Oh yeah. The comedian. Uh but yeah, that's that's you know, I mean if you're a chick sitting in a Walmart parking lot at four o'clock in the morning talking to somebody on the phone, that's not safe. I don't care who you are. No, and it's as a guy sitting out in the parking lot talking to somebody on the phone who's 300 pounds and five foot ten and has wears a size 13 shoe and has a f fist so big it's they can't even buy your watches or rings that fit.

Andrea 48:21

Yeah.

Paul G 48:21

Then no, they're not gonna mess with me. They're gonna I'm gonna get up out of the car and they're gonna go, Oh, I'm sorry, man, I got the wrong person.

Andrea 48:28

So I just this whole thing was like, oh man, she was just sitting she was sitting in her comfort zone.

Paul G 48:33

Sitting in her house, in front of her house. In front of her house. In a rural area.

Andrea 48:38

Yeah.

Paul G 48:38

Somebody had to know she was there. It's I don't think it was a crime of opportunity.

Andrea 48:44

It's just sad because she has she has two boys that she's they're without their mother. Yeah. You know, and that that as a mom, I that just that saddens me because it's like that's just not how it should be.

Paul G 48:58

Yeah. So I've got something that I'm thinking about covering next week. I'm not sure, by the way.

Andrea 49:04

Okay.

Paul G 49:05

And um I we I guess we'll hopefully they'll find her. And if they find her, we're we'll have more information on it.

Andrea 49:14

We have happy news?

Paul G 49:15

Well, I doubt that, but Oh, okay.

Andrea 49:17

I mean, I don't know. Sometimes we do people that come back. She might go, she might show back up, yeah.

Paul G 49:22

Um and we just watched a documentary on this in Colorado, where they did this. Remember the bodies in the funeral home?

Andrea 49:30

Oh, yes. Oh my gosh. We just covered that, and then we watched something. No, we didn't cover it. We were talking about it. No, we we covered something similar to it. But in Arkansas, it happened in Arkansas, and then we're watching this thing in Colorado, and I'm like, I'm like, this happens in other states.

Paul G 49:44

Yeah, it happens a lot more than on than we know. They were supposed to be cremating these people, and they just threw them all in the funeral home and stacked them up like cordwood. I'm just I can't I can't for four years.

Andrea 49:59

Words do not elude me to this because it's like, and then it's talking the documentary how they were putting concrete in bags.

Paul G 50:08

They were they were crushing up the concrete that you buy at Lowe's to make it finer.

Andrea 50:14

So you would think that's ashes. And what and I can contest this when I got my father's ashes back. I the funeral home told me they're not white and powdery like you think they are. Yeah. And I'm like, okay.

Paul G 50:25

Gray.

Andrea 50:25

He's like, they're different colors depending upon the health of the person, what happened, and all this. He said, So don't be thinking that you're looking down and you see like black flakes in it that something's wrong, that you're not getting at true ash. He said, they're not all the color of cigarette ash.

Paul G 50:42

Mine would be like purple. Because I was like purple in in indigo, I think, maybe.

Andrea 50:47

I mean, I I didn't know that. And then so I thought, well, they look like cigarette ash, black term, I don't know. So um, but no, they don't. And so the fact that they were actually uh as a if y'all wasn't told that I would think if I would get this bag of quick grounded up quick crate would be it. You know what I'm saying?

Paul G 51:04

Yeah. Well, at one moment she pulled out something out of the bag. It was a piece of plastic. I think somebody left a plastic piece. They put a plastic piece in the bag. It's like, oh my god.

Andrea 51:14

I don't know. I got the impression like it was medical grade equipment in the body.

Paul G 51:20

No, he didn't have anything.

Andrea 51:21

She said he didn't, but she didn't think it was her kid's acid.

Paul G 51:24

But it was plastic, though, it's a problem. If it was cremated, it wouldn't it would just be so anyways, you guys gotta watch this. It's what was the name of that? I can't remember.

Andrea 51:33

We'll post it in the show notes so I can remember. Because I remember going, oh my god.

Paul G 51:39

Did you know? I think what's what we should do next week, maybe. Did you know that a nuclear Titan II missile blew up in Little Rock?

Andrea 51:53

I think you've told me something similar to this, but I don't know the details.

Paul G 51:56

It blew up because some dude dropped a wrench.

Andrea 52:00

Oh man. Was it like in the ground or something?

Paul G 52:03

Yeah, it was in the silo.

Andrea 52:05

Oh that's right, you did tell me this.

Paul G 52:06

Exploded. I'm gonna go over that because that's just craziness right there.

Andrea 52:13

That's we're always like five seconds away from something bad.

Paul G 52:18

Exactly. It was like right right next to the Little Rock. If it would have exploded the nuclear ordinance that was on top, it had multiple 20 megaton warheads on top of it.

Andrea 52:31

Arkansas would cease to exist.

Paul G 52:33

Arkansas, Tennessee, uh, Mississippi would just be obliterated because of the fallout. All that nuclear waste because it blows up underground. It blows all that radioactive dirt into the atmosphere.

Andrea 52:53

That's dangerous.

Paul G 52:54

That's why they blow it up above the atmosphere to reduce the fallout if they're gonna use one.

Andrea 53:00

Oh, that makes sense.

Paul G 53:01

Yeah, because they want to be, you know, it's like we want to farm here later because you know, it's now ours because we blew it up.

Andrea 53:08

Yeah, and Chernobyl, that happened in the 80s. Those people can't farm anything there and probably will never be able to farm.

Paul G 53:14

But then, you know, those animals are back and back to running and they're not deformed anymore.

Andrea 53:18

Well, nature works works mysterious ways, but I would so much radiation around us right now. Would you want to plant a crop of potate uh tomatoes out there?

Paul G 53:27

Well, I would be worried that we would get that movie. Attack of the killer tomatoes. Oh, yeah, yeah. Whether tomatoes they go around and kill everybody.

Andrea 53:35

Or attack of the killer clowns.

Paul G 53:37

No, tomatoes. Okay. Clowns, if we irradiated clowns, they would just die.

Andrea 53:42

You obviously have not seen the movie. It's pretty funny. It's an occult classic that's completely stupid, but it's funny.

Paul G 53:48

All right, all right. So uh we have new merch at www.paulgnewton.com because that's the website I pay for, and I'm not paying for another one just for this podcast unless you guys start buying stuff, then I might. But until then, because you know we're not made of money. We do this for free.

Andrea 54:10

Yeah, we do it because we enjoy it. Though we do get some fun, interesting comments from people.

Paul G 54:14

Yeah. I don't I appreciate your comments.

Andrea 54:17

We do, we do, we appreciate your comments.

Wrap-Up, Listener Notes, And Merch

Paul G 54:19

Some of you need to work on spelling. Um, just saying.

Andrea 54:23

I can't really say anything. That one I understand, but I I can't spell very well.

Paul G 54:27

Well, that was different. Yeah. You have to admit, that might have been a little bit um that was it was comical, I thought. Yeah, it was definitely uh interesting. Oh, we got a bunch of YouTube comments too, by the way.

Andrea 54:43

Oh.

Paul G 54:44

We did. Uh let's see if I can find them. I can't find them. Uh I'm so bad at this. No, you're not. Um, one of the ladies knew the people in one of our cases. And she was listening to it and she was explaining a couple things. And my notifications are now gone. Yeah, I mean. Oh, it's because I'm on the wrong channel. And you have uh uh I gotta switch my account back to He has like ten accounts. I know YouTube stuff. Every time you get an email, you know, boom, you have to do it again.

Andrea 55:25

I'm not on YouTube much. I probably should be, but I'm not.

Paul G 55:29

I you know, YouTube it used to be cool. I was there when it first started, and it was getting a lot of a lot of people uh hanging out and and were watching my stuff, and there was a couple of guys um they stalked me and I wasn't happy about that because that was really weird.

Andrea 55:50

Um can I put a plug in for a podcast of reason when I'd like you got somebody you're listening to? Uh if you guys like interested in new uh podcasts, oh there we go, it's our music. Yeah. Uh Crime, Conspiracy, Cults, and Murder. It's pretty um I like her style. She covers a little bit of everything, and uh, I think she's out of Canada. Super cool. Um, the lady that does it. Um, but like pull it up, it's got a cartoon lady with um big glasses on and blonde hair. You'll like her.

Paul G 56:21

Why does it keep doing that? It likes her. They probably can't hear that because it's not got an open channel on the recording.

Andrea 56:27

It's it's our old song that Paul can't stand.

Paul G 56:29

It's still stupid. So Lynn Lynn Gerdner. Lynn Gardner. Yeah, she's a friend of mine, actually.

Andrea 56:35

Oh, okay.

Paul G 56:35

Um she was listening to the podcast and she says that she knew him personally. Um, this is talking about Ronald Gene Simmons.

Andrea 56:44

Oh, really?

Paul G 56:45

Yeah. See she knew him personally, and she re she said that uh he isolated his family, according to her. Uh with he didn't even have a mailbox at the house. Uh he had to they had to go even get the mail. He wouldn't let her even get the mail.

Andrea 56:59

Wow. Isn't that crazy?

Paul G 57:01

And it was an abandoned car on the property where he put the kids.

Andrea 57:07

Oh, okay. Because I kept thinking car. I'm thinking like I'm thinking like driving car, you know. I didn't really think about on the property being abandoned car, but okay, that makes it makes me feel a little better because I'm thinking I'm gonna drive around with kids' bodies in your car, you're well, he's already messed up, so what am I saying?

Paul G 57:20

Yeah. And then she uh had recommended a book, Zero to the Bone. It's about about him.

Andrea 57:28

Oh, okay.

Paul G 57:28

I'll have to we'll have to find that out. I don't know what it is.

Andrea 57:31

Okay.

Paul G 57:32

And uh but she's she had a bunch of comments, see?

Andrea 57:35

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh I don't know when I'll get to read anything since I'm starting school, but that would be on my list.

Paul G 57:40

Oh yeah, yeah. You're going to be a uh pseudo doctor.

Andrea 57:44

No.

Paul G 57:44

No, not a pseudo doctor.

Andrea 57:46

No, a nurse practitioner.

Paul G 57:47

Nurse practitioner.

Andrea 57:48

Specializing in mental health.

Paul G 57:51

If you're dealing with me, you gotta do that. That's like a requirement, don't you think?

Andrea 57:57

If you get honor, I'll just give you new drugs.

Paul G 57:59

Nice.

Andrea 58:00

I'm teasing. I don't even know if I'm allowed to do that.

Paul G 58:04

Let's make sure there's a good ones for you. Teasing.

Andrea 58:10

I know you are. The only thing is, is I can't be Kate Mercer when we do that. Or Kate Mercer. What what? If I'm at our school, I'm I'm not gonna be forensically trained. I'm only gonna be like mentally healthy.

Paul G 58:20

No, no, no, that's different. No, no. Cade Mercer is uh he he's he's he's modeled off of Robert Ressler.

Andrea 58:28

Okay.

Paul G 58:28

Yeah. That's right. So, anyhow. Here's the the stand-in music. It doesn't do anything else but this the whole time. It's kind of boring. But remember to go to Paulgnewton.com, buy some swag, look at some stuff. Man, get choked up and cough on air. You can do that too. Just get your microphone and a recorder. What else? Anything else?

Andrea 58:57

I think that's it.

Paul G 58:58

Oh, and send uh condolences to Pluto for his arthritis.

Andrea 59:02

Yeah, that's our dog. He's struggling with a cold.

Paul G 59:05

Yeah, he's not doing good. Anyhow, enjoy the snow. And if you're listening to this in June, don't enjoy the snow because go out and enjoy the uh beautiful weather. Yes, in June. Or the storms. Or don't do anything. Stay inside. All right.

Andrea 59:19

Bye. Bye.