Donna Sue Nelton: The Jane Doe Who Waited 32 Years For A Name

Secrets don’t always hide in the dark. Sometimes they sit in a box on a shelf for decades, waiting on the day science finally catches up. After a quick start, we take a hard turn into Benton County, Arkansas, where skeletal remains were found in 1990 and the victim lived for 32 years in the system as a Jane Doe.

We walk through why this case stalled for so long. A skull too damaged for reconstruction, early forensic limitations, and the brutal reality that without a name, even solid investigative work has nowhere to land. Then the tools evolve. NamUs enters the picture. Mitochondrial DNA work helps narrow the field. Finally, forensic genetic genealogy does what everything else could not. In 2022, investigators confirm her identity: Donna Sue Nelton, 28 years old.

From there, we map what is known about the human terrain around her life, including George Alvin Bruton and the items tied to him that investigators discussed once her identity was restored. We also ask the uncomfortable questions this case forces. Why can an adult disappear without a clear missing report trail. How control dynamics can shrink a person’s choices until they do not feel like choices at all. And why victimology matters, because “Jane Doe” is not a person, but Donna Sue Nelton was.

This is not a courtroom ending. It is a different kind of justice. A name returned. A case history restored. A woman pulled back out of the void. If you like true crime that stays grounded in facts and follows the science where it leads, follow the show so you do not miss what we dig into next.

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Transcript

Opening and Setup

Music 0:02

Things I wanna know. Things that you never told me. Late nights, deep dives in the shadows, secrets whispered in the silence that follows, clues scattered like stars in the dark. Every piece of the puzzle late nights a spark, truth hiding behind the mask.

Paul G 0:27

So welcome to things I wanna know. I'm your co-host. I'm the host of the hosts or the no tab. I just run all the board and stuff.

Andrea 0:38

No, you're fine. This is Andrea.

Paul G 0:49

I just talk. Just talk. So we got our new theme weekly theme song update.

Andrea 0:55

Yes.

Paul G 0:56

She was so over it this week. She's like, stop making songs.

Andrea 0:59

Oh my lord, he had so many songs he was recording, and I'm like, and they're starting to all sound the same after a while, and he's like, What do you think of this? What do you think of this? And I'm like, they're all fine. Just can we listen to something else that has different words?

Music 1:13

Right, because they all say beneath the surface, things they never told me. Never told me. Truth beneath the surface, things they never told me.

Paul G 1:24

And that's it. That was a short song.

Andrea 1:27

But it was pretty cool. Some of them, uh one of them you recorded or I made. I was like, it sounds like it should be in a Bond movie.

Paul G 1:36

And I'm just using AI to make all this stuff.

Andrea 1:38

Yeah, which is pretty interesting, though.

Paul G 1:40

Yeah, that's AI music. No real musicians existed or were harmed in the making of that music.

Andrea 1:45

But then we try to give it a genre or an idea or use the words, and it would come back and it's sound like this, we'd be like, that sounds nothing like that.

Paul G 1:54

I I I tried to get Z make a Z Z Top. That was not Z Z Top. And then what was the other one I tried to make? I tried to make a um it worked great for uh What's Her Face?

Andrea 2:09

The other one sounded like Dua Lipa.

Paul G 2:11

Yeah.

Andrea 2:12

That's our dog. He wants to know things too.

Paul G 2:15

I don't think they can hear it. I've got the Dua Lipa song. Yeah. It's a good tune, actually.

Music 2:20

Everybody's talking like they cracked the code. Same old answers, different tone. They rushed the end and still it bold, but I fill the gap in what I'm told.

Paul G 2:28

If you're in your car right now, you're dancing. Yeah.

Music 2:33

It's a cute song. I don't buy it.

Paul G 2:35

And it sounds good. And it sounds just like Dua Lipa. Yeah. Which is fair because she ripped everybody else off. She did. She even lost. It was that bad.

Andrea 2:47

Yeah. Most people you'd be like, well, that's kind of a stretch. Hers was like, oh yeah, you took it.

Music Talk and a Warning

Paul G 2:52

That's that's yeah, yeah. She lost like three different songs was bad.

Andrea 2:58

Well.

Paul G 2:59

It's not her, it's probably not her fault. It's probably a producer's fault.

Andrea 3:02

Well, he needs to get it together and no copyright like we were.

Paul G 3:05

Yeah, so we're sitting here drinking sangria today.

Andrea 3:07

Yeah, about to talk a little true crime.

Paul G 3:09

Ding ding ding ding.

Andrea 3:10

No, I'm thinking about next next time switching it up and doing something like fun medical, something different than just true crime, something that's in history medical. No, hey, that actually might not be interesting. That not be a bad idea because I have a 1950s Merrick Manual that we got at AM.

Paul G 3:30

What is a Merrick Merrick?

Andrea 3:31

Merrick Manual is like a book that doctors use to look up like diagnoses and uh some signs and symptoms of something.

Paul G 3:37

This is our handbook Bible.

Andrea 3:38

Yeah, and it's still produced today. And I got one from what 1950, 1952, somewhere in there.

Paul G 3:44

If you're having a widowmaker heart attack, which is the one that everyone died from, go home and have some bed rest.

Andrea 3:49

Yes, yes. Eight weeks of bed rest, and I'm like, what?

Paul G 3:53

They're not gonna make it past week one, dude.

Andrea 3:56

Yeah, that's why a lot of them died.

Paul G 3:57

So that's why all of them died.

Andrea 3:59

But uh the ones on like psychiatry made me laugh the most. Like everybody was like, uh, basically, here's some volume and go rest.

Paul G 4:07

Well, they were still prescribing orgasms for females.

Andrea 4:10

Yes, yes, that's in there too.

Paul G 4:12

Which is actually, you know, it should still be in there, to be honest with you.

Andrea 4:15

It was just hilarious. It's a cool book. I'm a bad person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, today we're talking about a case that I thought was interesting because she has been a nameless individual from from since 1990. And we recently, what I think 2022, 23, gave her her name back.

Paul G 4:33

I don't know. You did the research on this. Thanks to a really I'm the Jimmy Wisman on this. Oh, you're the Jimmy Whisman. Yes, I'm in the Jimmy Whisman. Uh, that's refers to what was the name of it? Small town murder. Small town murder, yeah. Then and one guy talks about it, and Jimmy Wisman just goes, Oh the whole time.

Andrea 4:49

No, he your stupid opinions. Listen to them because it's that one's hilarious.

The Case Begins

Paul G 4:55

These guys are a couple potheads. And it's weird too, because if you see him in in person or in on video, the the guy with the deep voice that's running the whole show, yeah, he looks like he he he sounds like he would be kind of a chain smoking big dude. Yeah, big dude. And he's not, but he's really tall in real life, but he's like a rail. And the Jimmy Wisman you think would be just this little beady guy. And he's not. He's like huge.

Andrea 5:24

He's a big guy, but a big frame. But yeah, um, their stupid opinions is funny because they take all the opinions off the internet and kind of because people put all these opinions on the internet and half of them they read. Like, okay, the big parts are the worst. The one that made me laugh so hard that literally almost pulled my car over, is the ones when they're talking about reviews of the Great Wall of China. Oh my god. It doesn't have bathrooms. I laugh so hard. Like in the like, yes, Mr. Chinaman way back when this was built. We forgot how to put modern plumbing in a bathroom.

Paul G 5:55

Yeah, there was no modern plumbing or bathroom. If you pooped, you stuck your butt over the side of the wall.

Andrea 6:00

This is, I mean, you can't really like give it two stars. It's not the wall's fault. I mean, there's no one's it you just listen to it, it's awesome.

Paul G 6:08

And then they have um the really cool part is whenever they do the reviews for the like you know, random chicken stand in towns, and it's like, oh my gosh. And then it's all it's never a review. So like it's like when the reviews on the towns, it's never a re actual review of the town. It's like them just bitching about something.

Andrea 6:26

It's good though. Listen to them, they're great.

Paul G 6:28

And then the sex toys is just weird.

Andrea 6:30

Oh yeah, people do reviews on sex toys. And I've laughed so much.

Paul G 6:35

We can't return this. Oh no.

Andrea 6:38

That is your toy. Yeah, you own that.

The 1950s Medical Manual Detour

Paul G 6:41

Oh, the stuff that they you know not in its original packaging. No.

Andrea 6:47

But no, if you want a good laugh, or just it makes me think of like when people probably give us reviews, I have to also remember, like, you know.

Paul G 6:53

Yeah, we got a review the other day that was interesting. I I'm still having to translate it. I don't know.

Andrea 6:59

Yeah, yeah, it's like it meant why didn't you use a book, but he didn't say it like that. He didn't think that's it.

Paul G 7:07

He said, Why don't you do a little bit more research on this one? Well, then sometimes part of our problem is sometimes when we get into stuff, we don't do the conjecture.

Andrea 7:18

Okay.

Paul G 7:19

Right? That the people well, I think they did this. We don't go listen to other podcasts.

Andrea 7:24

No, we don't. We make a very, very important point not to.

Paul G 7:28

Yeah, because it we we it's there's a thing called front loading. And this is a concept that not too many people understand, but once you understand it, you'll be like, Oh, I get it. And front loading is when um someone tells you the ice cream at this place is phenomenal. It's so good. It it it it after I ate it, uh my taste buds all jumped out of my face and gave me hugs because it was tasted so great.

Andrea 8:00

Wow, that's some ice cream there.

Paul G 8:01

And some some strange taste buds too. Anyway, um but and then you go eat it and you're like, oh, it's so good. But it's no but if the person next to you didn't have the front load and they ate it objectively, they'd be like, it's not that great. Like cold stone. Is it sometimes it's good and sometimes it's not. But brom's is the best ice cream because it's actually made from you know it's it's it's made the old way.

Andrea 8:31

Yeah, their ice cream is good.

Paul G 8:33

The ones in the scoops, not the not the the crap you get out of the machine.

Andrea 8:37

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Paul G 8:39

That just says like everybody else's.

Andrea 8:41

But no, their ice cream is good.

Paul G 8:43

And it's and it's it's made correctly. You know, it's made the old way. It's made the right way. And it's you eat it and you d and you know you gain 30 pounds. Yeah. Even though you only ate two ounces of ice cream, you gain 30 pounds. Oh, the cream is a good one. I'm not sure how the physics works on that. But they've got it down. So yeah. We're uh we we we try to remain objective, and if somebody's giving us their opinion, that's great. Thank you very much. But that's not what we're doing here. We're trying to give you the facts. We want to talk about the facts, the actual what happened.

Andrea 9:18

Yeah, and then I mean we do put our a little bit of our thought process in it.

Paul G 9:22

Our opinion is in it.

Andrea 9:23

Yeah. But we also state that it's our opinion.

Paul G 9:26

Yeah. And it's just an opinion. We don't know what the hell we're talking about half the time. No, but you know it's although we really do, I think. That's just I mean between your nursing knowledge and my psychology knowledge, that we kinda know.

Andrea 9:41

Yeah, we have well, we have our own thoughts.

Paul G 9:43

Yeah, but we're not by any means a professional profiler or murder finder.

Andrea 9:51

No, we're not.

The 1990 Discovery

Paul G 9:51

The only murder I'm gonna find is whenever I actually do one, and then I'll find it. But I'm not going to do one, so I'll never know. I'll always be in the dark.

Andrea 10:01

You'll always be in the dark.

Music 10:02

Yeah.

Andrea 10:03

Alright, let's talk about the case. I'm sure everyone's like probably fast forward their half of this. So on May 7th, 1990, the remains of a female were located in a remote area of Maysville in Bidden County.

Paul G 10:14

So what were you doing in 1990?

Andrea 10:16

1990. I was probably beginning of junior high, I think.

Paul G 10:22

No jobs or nothing?

Andrea 10:23

No jobs. I was like 13, 12, 10.

Paul G 10:26

1990, I was driving a white Cadillac El El Dorado, two doors from 1973.

Andrea 10:35

Oh, okay.

Paul G 10:36

Yeah, boss hogs car but with a hard top.

Andrea 10:40

Oh.

Paul G 10:40

Yeah. And I was working in a pool, scrubbing the sides of a pool with a broom for no apparent reason because the lady who hired me said, Do this, and I said, Why? And she goes, just do it. I said, Okay. Well, you're good. And then they took a picture of it. And then I snuck girls in at night because I had the keys. Oh, I think Oh yeah.

Andrea 11:00

Oh yeah.

Paul G 11:01

It was a popular place for me to go.

Andrea 11:03

Oh, really?

Paul G 11:04

I don't know if the girls enjoyed it that much, but I'm pretty sure they did.

Andrea 11:07

I don't want to know anymore. So basically the Benton County Sheriff's Office came out to investigate a manner of death. Basically, they found um a skull and bones that had extensive damage.

Paul G 11:22

When did they find this?

Andrea 11:23

This was found in May 7th, 1990.

Paul G 11:26

So she's probably killed in 89.

Andrea 11:29

Yeah, probably 89 somewhere there. So basically they have nothing. They don't have an ID.

Paul G 11:34

Well, and it doesn't take very long for a body to decompose in this Arkansas heat and moisture. No, they have it's you've got if it i the fact that it was winter probably took longer.

Andrea 11:44

Oh yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah.

Paul G 11:45

You might have been killed in November of 89. But if you kill somebody and leave them out there in the in the mean the humidity is what, 90% most of the time?

Andrea 11:54

In May, seventh and ninety eight.

Paul G 11:56

I'm talking about in the summer.

Andrea 11:57

Oh yeah, it's super hot here.

Paul G 11:59

Yeah, so the humidity's like ninety percent, it's like a hundred and one. And uh you're and then it's a lot of dense foilage. Foilage? Foliage? Foliage? Foilage? I mean they put that their foil out on everybody. That's why the aliens like it's because it's foiled. It makes them stunt, and they're very curious, curious of what we're doing.

Andrea 12:17

I think you're scaring the listeners at this point. I'm scaring myself, but that's okay.

Paul G 12:21

But no, so it's the bodies decomposed real quick in this humidity.

Andrea 12:25

Yeah, so basically they they couldn't really figure out what's going on. There was a flyer to like a um resort that was in Pineville that's like north of us, on the we're real close to the Missouri line. So they're kind of like there's nothing. They had nothing to go with.

Paul G 12:41

Yeah.

Andrea 12:41

So that they thought, hmm, okay. But here's what problem. 1995, I guess they're sitting on this skull, they're sitting on all this other stuff, all these bones. Don't really have anywhere to go. But they determined, hey, let's try some facial reconstruction and see if we can figure out if she has a face. No. Basically, the skull was too damaged. So they decided, you know, on April.

Paul G 13:02

Well, if they quit doing that, they don't really do it very much. The facial reconstruction from bones, they must have got it so wrong that they just kind of gave up on it.

Andrea 13:11

I think it's all computerized now where they can put the tissue depths in and and and But it's never right, is what I I mean, they quit doing it.

Paul G 13:19

That's what I'm saying. It's not in the zeitgeist anymore.

Andrea 13:22

I don't know.

Paul G 13:23

I mean, they were doing it back in the 90s, so it must not be very good.

Andrea 13:26

So I guess they decided, hmm, let's send this stuff off to the Arkansas Crime Lab, hoping to identify this person. Yeah, good luck with that. This is in February of 1995. Okay.

Paul G 13:35

So I didn't do an episode on the Arkansas Crime Lab, how bad it got in the 60s and 70s, and we knew it was awful.

Andrea 13:42

Because what I don't understand is from 1990 and then 1995, you decided to send off her stuff to the crime lab.

Why It Went Cold

Paul G 13:49

Well, Benton County at the time was just rule. I mean, I I was out with in 95, 94, I was out with Joey Nichols, or Joe Nichols, the singer, country singer. Oh yeah. We were out in the in with a bunch of us out there in the middle of a of we're in the middle of Benton County right now, that same place we were at, partying at a at a three-way shop. It was all dirt road at the time. Now it's all paved. And there's a big subdivision there. But at the time there's nobody here. That they didn't have a lot of resources. I mean, Walmart was it.

Andrea 14:25

Yeah, that's true.

Paul G 14:26

I mean it wasn't very big at the time. Because it's 1990.

Andrea 14:30

I just remember that that was what was here, and that was but I didn't really comprehend until I like moved away in college and stuff that it's not everywhere. Does that make sense?

Paul G 14:39

Yeah, yeah. And I mean, at that time, you could find any dirt road and block it off because that's what we did. And there was about 30 of us, and we had about 20 cars. And we were right there at the T, we got a bonfire and everything. Oh God. Right in the middle of the road. We didn't care.

Andrea 14:57

So basically they sent this stuff off in February of 1995, and Arkansas Crime Lab really couldn't pull anything either.

Paul G 15:04

DNA was still pretty in pretty pretty much in its infancy, and I don't think the Arkansas Crime Lab had 1990 or 90. 95 they might have had DNA, but they still would have had to send it off to the FBI to get it processed.

Andrea 15:15

So in December of 1995, additional stuff was sent down to the crime lab, and everything was unsuccessful to identify the victim, to figure out who she is, to figure really to go anywhere with this. So it sits like that until October 2008.

Paul G 15:31

In the scenes by a dry creek bed. And you know, they're not going to be able to go back to that ever because as soon as it floods.

Andrea 15:39

Yeah, it's over. So they decided, hey, let's reach out to some other people that maybe have a little bit more experience than us, and maybe they can identify her. So they packed up some stuff and sent off to the University of North Texas, hoping to identify a mitochondrial DNA profile, which mitochondrial DNA you get from your mom.

Paul G 15:55

And this is when?

Andrea 15:56

This is in 2008.

Paul G 15:58

Yeah, that's about right. I mean it would it they didn't have mitochondrial stuff until 2002 about the end.

Andrea 16:03

Yeah, so you know, so basically they decided, well, in 2008, let's put her into Namus, which is the National Missing Identified Persons Database, which you can go up there and look up all sorts of stuff on people and cities and um states and everything like that, and it's you can get lost in their website. So uh in two thousand in 2017, uh we'd have a detective that was like pretty much not gonna give up. So he decided let's try to see if we can get some d dental comparisons against you know, numerous people that were missing in the area. Let's see if she matches anything that we have remotely on this skull. They didn't get anywhere with that either. So in 2019, this same detective is like, hey man, I'd like to resubmit some evidence to the crime lab, but the crime lab basically sent our because they're like, There I don't think we have anything else that we can help you with. Which is mind-blowing to me.

Paul G 17:01

Well, and we're not, you know, we don't have a whole lot of money, but it's we have more money now for this kind of stuff, but back then the the state was running deficit.

Andrea 17:10

Yeah, so basically it was this is 1990 to 2019. We still don't know anything like her name, anything about her, any family, any way of connecting the dots as to what happened to her. So they this detective is like, what about genealogical, you know, you know, stuff that people do people do basically. He's like, you know, let's go.

Paul G 17:32

Who got caught with that first?

Andrea 17:33

Uh Golden State killer, I think.

Paul G 17:36

And also it was what's his face, the mob guy too.

Databases Catching Up

Andrea 17:40

I just remember Golden State, because I remember like sitting there going, Whoa, that is mind-blowing, because they get him out in front of his house and he looks like a normal like uh grandpa. And then they wheel him in, because I remember we're like listening and watching that, and they wheel him into like the court and he looks like this debilitated old man, like he like changed overnight. It was like wild.

Paul G 18:06

So do you think the dental ID was delayed?

Andrea 18:11

I wonder if her skull even had enough teeth for it.

Paul G 18:15

Don't you have to have like a couple teeth or at least a like a They just take an X-ray of the skull of what's left and then they send that X-ray around, but I don't know how I mean how would you do that? There's so many dentists. There's a there's four dentists in B Ridge.

Andrea 18:32

But then again, if people that are missing, you have to go pull your loved ones' dental records and then you're submitting them everywhere too. So how is this gonna work?

Paul G 18:42

I don't know.

Andrea 18:44

Um so basically it wasn't until March of 2021 that now granted this is 2019, he's saying let's do the genealogical thing, guys, with genes and genealogical stuff. And then it what took till 2021 that basically the crime labs like in Arkansas, like, we don't do that here. You need to send that to a private lab called Orthrum. So it makes me wonder like, I assure that ain't cheap.

Paul G 19:10

And CODIS didn't exist back then really either.

Andrea 19:13

This is in 2019?

Paul G 19:15

No, yeah. Well, even back in I mean, CODIS was the arms for armed forces database is where they found most of their people because most people are in the military that they are able to find through stuff like that, and but they just didn't I mean remember the the the highway killer? It was very difficult to get all those people in to give their data to the government to all the states, and we didn't even capture anybody.

Andrea 19:42

But this wasn't long ago that long ago.

Paul G 19:45

It wasn't that long ago that we started doing it. I know, it sounds crazy, doesn't it?

Andrea 19:48

No, it can't be 2019 that we actually started. I mean 2021.

Paul G 19:56

They're not gonna do it proactively. So they code us came around, got refined, and then they you know that's what I'm trying to say.

Andrea 20:04

Oh, okay. So basically, this is what they did. They submit sent it submitted all this stuff to this lab, and so they just crossed their fingers and waited. So in 2021, they were able to identify a profile from the victim, but then they have to do what's you know, the genetic genealogy thing, and they have to trace back to like great great grandparents and such, and then move themselves forward.

Paul G 20:30

Oh wow, I did not know this. CODIS 2017. FBI finally expanded the core from thirteen to twenty, and that's when people started getting found with it.

Andrea 20:42

Really?

Paul G 20:43

It wasn't truly useful at all until nineteen ninety-eight.

Andrea 20:47

I was thinking CODIS has been around for a while.

Paul G 20:50

Well it has.

Andrea 20:57

But it's just to w what did you say, the 2018 before they actually started like getting hits?

Paul G 21:02

2017 is when the FBI made it. Uh they they expanded the core Loki, Loki, which is the DNA thing. I don't know how to pronounce it. From 13 alleles, I guess, to twenty.

Andrea 21:15

Oh, okay.

Paul G 21:16

So it it it didn't you couldn't search enough. There wasn't enough data. You you'd get like a hundred hits.

Andrea 21:22

Yeah, because I mean if you like I've like gone on genealogy banks and stuff to like find my dad's side of the family and it breaks it down into like segments, how how many segments you're related to somebody.

Paul G 21:33

And then it only did kinship anal uh analysis and it didn't do uh genealogy kind of stuff.

Andrea 21:40

So this is re this explains a golden golden state color in the right.

Paul G 21:44

It's all recent because the government has so the big government entity has to do it because there's three hundred and fifty million people in the United States. And you can't just leave it up to the individual states, especially somebody like California who's uh upside down their budget and Arkansas, which is

Andrea 22:01

Yeah, because if you submit yourself to your DNA profile from say Ancestry onto Jedmatch, which you pay ten dollars a month for if you want it, I'd let mine go because I wouldn't get anywhere with it.

Paul G 22:09

Yeah.

The Genealogy Breakthrough

Andrea 22:10

It says on there as a disclaimer that this is in our database and can be accessed by law enforcement. Yes. Which I was like, I don't care. I've got the hype. If you think about it, if you've got I made the joke with you one time about like, you know, my dad's adopted and I really don't know his side of the family. That one of these days I might get this knock. You're my first cousin? Well, I may get a knock at the door saying, like, hey, are you related to so-and-so? Oh no, maybe. Well, he's on your dad's side and he's like your second cousin, and he's like, We're looking for him wanted for murder on. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

Paul G 22:45

I mean, it's would you like to be interviewed for a podcast?

Andrea 22:48

But then I've asked my brother, you know, hey, would you get on Jedmatch? He's like, I don't want the law enforcement my DNA. I said, What have you done?

Paul G 22:56

Yeah, exactly.

Andrea 22:57

He goes, Nothing, I just don't want it out there.

Paul G 22:58

Um I keep telling I tell people all the time the government's not looking for you, they're not spying on you, they're not gathering your information and using it for any nefarious reason because you're not important enough.

Andrea 23:11

Because they don't care.

Paul G 23:12

Yeah, you don't have a standing unless, you know, there's no reason for them to care. Give them a reason, but they don't care. So take your tinfoil hat off and drink some chamomile.

Andrea 23:29

So God. I could throw chamomile at a few people. So September 2021.

Paul G 23:36

You had to wear one of those hats once.

Andrea 23:38

Oh yeah, we won't go there.

Paul G 23:40

Um wasn't by choice though.

Andrea 23:42

You know, they submitted it stuff, and then they finally, this is August of 2022. Okay, we're going from 1990. 89, she's probably to 2022. They've found some relatives. So they want to make sure, as I would hope law enforcement would, that you're would come up, but how would you do that? You're like, hey, I would like to get a buckle swab of you because I think that you're really you're related to a mass killer. You have the DNA matched to this bag of bones we found in the woods. I mean, how would you how would you approach that?

Paul G 24:18

Uh, you know, most people would help.

Andrea 24:21

I would I'd be like, I don't have any.

Paul G 24:23

Yeah. It needs to be studied, that's for sure.

Andrea 24:31

So they reached out to the relatives and basically they wanted to 100% make sure that this was a match. And I I respect them for doing that. Because you wouldn't want to come to a family member and say, hey, number one, I'd be like, Are you missing any people in your family?

Paul G 24:48

And you know, could you Is this the chick that was no, this is the other chick. Oh, go ahead.

Andrea 24:54

There's lots of chicks, I guess.

Paul G 24:56

Sorry. Well, there is lots of chicks. I found that out the hard way.

Andrea 24:59

So basically this person said, sure. And then they went back and talked to this person, and this person was kind enough to sit down and explain their family tree. And because of that, they were able to figure out exactly the next if kin for this poor person. So um February 28th, 2022, they found the you know, the missing link of who she's her name is. So basically, it's been decades since this has been going on. After 32 years, Benton County Sheriff's Office was pleased to announce her name. Donna Sue Nelton of Benton County died at 28 years old. What gets me though is the family members that nobody reported her missing. Like nobody.

Paul G 25:43

Oh, yeah, it's that one chick.

Andrea 25:45

Yeah, like nobody. They're like, yeah, we don't know what happened to her. I find and I'm not trying to pass any judgment. I'm really not.

Paul G 25:52

I'm just let's let's give them a little bit of background here. She was hanging around with somebody who wasn't so nice.

Andrea 25:58

Yes. She was hanging around with the gentleman by the uh get my glasses going here.

Paul G 26:05

Uh George my my uh seven view fo bifocals.

Andrea 26:11

They're trifocals, but thank you. George Alvin Bruton. And I guess the George Alvin Bruton was kind of well, he wasn't a very happy, he wasn't a character you wanted your daughter to date. I'll put you that way.

Paul G 26:23

He was going around robbing people.

Andrea 26:25

Yeah, robbing and killing people. He was on the for three months in 1979 on the FBI's most wanted list. Like that's that's really somebody you want your daughter with.

Paul G 26:34

Yeah, and this is 79.

Andrea 26:37

79.

Paul G 26:37

Then he went to jail.

Andrea 26:38

He went to jail.

The Name Comes Back

Paul G 26:39

He paroled his ass, right?

Andrea 26:40

Mm-hmm. So he went to jail, and then what got him in jail was he's for bank robbery, lots of auto theft, and he was wounded and captured in 1980 after a shootout in Fort Smith.

Music 26:54

Wow.

Paul G 26:54

So he goes Fort Smith at the time, man. So he Fort Smith is rough.

Andrea 26:58

So then he gets out of prison in 1988, and so he became under investigation for uh still doing his numerous crimes and stuff. So in September of 1989, Bruton and another one of his associates was dropping off trash bags at a dumpster in North Kansas City.

Music 27:16

Yeah.

Andrea 27:17

FBI agents are watching this happen, okay? They're they're tailing him for something they're gonna bust him for. And inside the dumpster, the FBI agents pulled the bags out and noticed it was all of Donis who's personal effects in there. Yeah. My next question is why didn't they say something then?

Paul G 27:34

It sounds like she was kind of a piece of work. And people were like, I I understand we'd love her to death, but if she doesn't come back around, we're gonna do it.

Andrea 27:46

I don't want to think so. I mean, come on. I I can't, I don't want to believe that. I'd like to believe I would like to think if you're sitting there trailing somebody for doing something and you see him dump a ton of personal stuff, does that not send a red flag to you of going or just robbed her? Yeah. True, you're right. It could have been a robbery, but I would think it'd be like they were known for that. But number one, I guess you can define personal effects. Is it clothes? Is it pictures? Is it But I would think if it's like personal stuff, like a purse or something, that that would be kind of a clue of um no woman's gonna leave her purse behind. You know what I'm saying?

Paul G 28:30

No, not necessarily though. You know, I mean I I don't know. If they just stole her, if they if they broke into somebody's storage unit and just took everything in a rush, that would make sense why they'd throw it out.

Andrea 28:44

Okay. I guess to me it's like, man, you know. But get this, here's the kicker though. Her vehicle was later located inside his storage unit.

Paul G 28:53

Oh, nice.

Andrea 28:54

Now that's gotta send away.

Paul G 28:56

He didn't want to get rid of the car because but he couldn't find anyone to buy it, I betcha. He hadn't figured out a way to hawk it yet because uh her name's on the title.

Andrea 29:05

Well, shoot. People still have problems with cars and titles now. I don't think why would that stop you then?

Paul G 29:11

It was worse then because you had to wait for the paperwork to come back through the mail. Oh, that's all e emailed, you know.

Andrea 29:20

So in 1990, okay, April 6th, 1990, he was arrested for prolural violation on drug charges after being identified as an alleged leader of a multi-stake drug ring, state drug ring. Okay. Remember what the date that we've her body was found, May 7th of 1990.

Paul G 29:40

Yeah. Now get this this guy, Bert uh this guy, which I can't say his name for some reason. Um they he was on the FBI most won list in '79 because he took two families, two families, hostage. And wounded two officers in Utah.

Andrea 30:01

Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. You're right.

Paul G 30:03

The craziest thing. He what the oh my god. He took two families hostage, and this chick's gonna hang out with him? Is she not thinking?

Andrea 30:18

I don't know, probably not, but I mean, you like you said you were trying to explain to me, some women love bad boys.

Paul G 30:26

Yeah, yeah. That's it's they like they like the bad boys. You know, it's it's kind of like how women who are um abused, it's sometimes very difficult to get them away from their abuser.

Identification: Donna Sue Nelton Named

Andrea 30:40

True. I think in that situation, sometimes it's a little different, but it's abusers sometimes hold all the money, hold all the resources.

Paul G 30:53

You know what I'm talking about. You've seen it. I've seen it. It's like they get they don't have the money, they have every way of getting out, and yet for some reason they keep letting that son of a bitch back in their house.

Andrea 31:01

I think sometimes they want to believe.

Paul G 31:05

Bad boys. Uh I think it has a lot to do with the same. I think they're very related, very close. Not quite the same strain of thinking, but really close. Maybe he can go out and kill the most you know, antlers are deer. And I can eat and my family can eat, and he beats me up a little bit, that's fine, because he kills the most deer, and the other guy that I could choose, he can't kill any deer. I would hope it's not that primitive, but I go it's gotta begin somewhere. I'm just saying. So I feel like men like girls with bigger hips that can give birth easier.

Andrea 31:44

Yeah.

Paul G 31:45

And that's I mean it's and big and and flush lips means that their v heart and everything is going well. The bigger the boobs, the better. Because they can feed their kids.

Andrea 31:58

And you learned all this from Jordan Peterson.

Paul G 32:00

Well, he just confirmed it. I'm like big boobs, yeah, we know. Yes, boobs. What? Men like boobs. Your son liked boobs at an early age.

Andrea 32:13

Oh yeah. When he was five, I had to explain to him that I was is my I didn't expect five-year-old little boys to be like very interested in that. He was very he was like boobs all the time, and I'd be like, son.

Paul G 32:26

You know, I mean it was it's a thing, it's built in. It's just part of it's part of being alive.

Andrea 32:33

And if he's listening to this, he's horrified. Who cares?

Paul G 32:38

I mean, you know, the he shouldn't be horrified, and I tell you why.

Andrea 32:43

Why?

Paul G 32:44

Because him liking boobs at an early age is a good thing. It proves his plurality.

Andrea 32:51

Okay. I'm glad that you're gonna establish that. He was just trying to make me go shut up, Paul.

Paul G 32:59

Trying. Oh my god, Paul, stop. Pretty much. You can buy that hat in the store.

Andrea 33:04

Oh yeah. So basically, in July 1990, I guess, where their FBI is trailing this guy, they got a source that said that, you know, he was caught mentioning that he killed a female named Donna over threats to expose his drug and theft operations. So this is my thought process.

Paul G 33:24

He shot her and then burned her body.

The Man in Her Orbit

Andrea 33:27

She's probably upset. I'm guessing. This is all speculation. This is just my thought process, in my opinion. She maybe got tired of something, mouthed off about she's trying to go to the cops and turn him in because she knows he's got a lot of stuff going against him, and he retaliated and just killed her. So, according to the family, um, both Bruton and Donna Sue were known to pass through Biton County on occasion. So that this RV park called Pine Island Resort, located in Jay, Oklahoma. Sorry, I got the towns wrong. Jay, Oklahoma, Pine Island Resort Flyer was the only thing found with her body at the time of this. So they really had nothing to go on other than a long wild goose chase of figuring out who she is.

Paul G 34:21

Yeah, and but you I really think it's because I really think I'm right on this. And I mean, obviously I can always be wrong, but I really think I'm right on this, is that people she was a handful and she was kind of a bitch. And the family members were like, you know, we love her, and when she's nice, she's nice, but when she's not, she's not, and if she's around, I don't know, I hadn't seen her in a while, and I'm okay with that.

Andrea 34:49

I don't know if I agree. I mean, sometimes people It's all it's all a guess anyway. I think sometimes people want to think, oh, well, uh she's left, she always does this all the time, she'll come back. Yeah. Um, she's probably out there living her best life, you know. They want to believe it's easier to believe that someone is out there doing well than it is to believe that they're dead.

Paul G 35:15

Well, sure. Um it's just like I always said, you know, it goes back to that too. Not all victims were nice. I know, but we also And we always say, there was such a good person. And then but if they were alive, you'd be like, I don't like that guy.

Andrea 35:30

But we don't have anything to state who she was as an individual.

Paul G 35:35

She should have been a beautifully nice woman who just got wrapped up with this dude and you know, and and stuck with him. But I don't I don't know.

Andrea 35:44

The sad thing about this case, though, is the gentleman, Mr. George Alvin Bruton, he died in federal prison in 2008. He was never prosecuted, he was never charged, he was Well, they didn't have a name to the body, they couldn't prove it was even Donna. Until after he was long gone.

Paul G 36:01

They couldn't prove it was they couldn't prove it was Donna. Can't prove it was Donna, then you can't, there's no crime.

Andrea 36:06

And so when they finally proved it was Donna, he was dead. But even if he was alive, not to say that he would ever admit that he killed her.

Paul G 36:12

Well, he did admit it.

Andrea 36:14

He said he killed a Donna.

Paul G 36:16

Yeah, and that was her. So he did admit it, but again, uh the problem that you have is that they didn't know that was her, so they can't.

Andrea 36:24

Yeah, so by the time they basically he admitted he killed a Donna or her to Donna, but no physical evidence, nothing to didn't they didn't have a Donna to match it with.

Paul G 36:34

Right. And they couldn't put him there.

Andrea 36:37

But the crazy thing is, though, is I'm sure people say all sorts of stuff in prison. It was, you know, you're you're in prison next to your buddy and you're gonna say all sorts of stuff.

Paul G 36:45

I think I was getting life at that point.

Andrea 36:48

So But if he would have confessed it, say he just wanted to unburden his soul with the end. They could have identified her sooner, or maybe he didn't want to do anything because he would have faced a death penalty.

Paul G 37:01

Yeah. Maybe. But he's dead anyway. He's probably cancer, right?

Andrea 37:06

Uh, I think so. But um think about it though, he didn't confess in prison because I think he was probably afraid he was gonna fry.

Paul G 37:12

Well, this time of itch was going around robbing people and then he had a b a bunch of like four or five guys working with him to rob people.

Andrea 37:18

Yeah.

Paul G 37:19

And I mean he was a worthless human being in the first place. I don't really care what you say. That that's a worthless human being, in my view. Yeah, he rob people.

Andrea 37:28

But don't he just killed her basically so he doesn't get caught. But he got caught. He broke parole.

Paul G 37:36

Yeah. Well, she was gonna tell him where they where he was, I guess.

Andrea 37:40

Maybe, or maybe tell more about what he was doing other than break parole.

Paul G 37:43

Yeah. Well, this this guy went on a the multi-state crime spree. I mean, come on. Yeah, well, because in Utah, he took family hostage. You take two families hostage. Can you imagine trying? But she's a pretty girl. I mean, she's beautiful. I guess. Well.

Andrea 38:05

Which is sad.

Paul G 38:05

Did they even did they may maybe her family maybe she was an only child and their mom was a thousand. That could also be true.

What Turned Up Later

Andrea 38:14

But I couldn't find anything that about That guy's a piece of shit, that's all we know. The family obviously they never reported her missing. Um for whatever reason that was.

Paul G 38:25

Well, I mean, she doesn't come around enough and she just Well, it's like think about it this way. When a person and you may have s some understanding on this, if you have to disavow somebody for a few years because they're just off the rails causing problems. You know, they're not gonna report you missing because you're not gonna talk to them in the first place. Yeah, I mean maybe she had to disavow her family because they were dirty or mean, or she just thought they were mean. You know, we we don't know what's a problem.

Andrea 39:04

But I couldn't really find anything about her, which is kind of sad because we she has her name, but there's nothing I couldn't find about family members like, you know uh victimology is always the best thing to do, by the way.

Paul G 39:17

If you're trying to go down a murder trail or any crime betrayal, um, then uh victimology, why did they steal from this person? Why did they rape this person? W what did they do that caused them to be noticed by the person? And sometimes it can be cut it can come down to we just don't know. What was that one guy that we watched a documentary yesterday that I was showing you where the the the guy was just going down the road and he saw a girl and a boy playing in the front yard while the mom's mowing and he decided I'm gonna steal them.

Andrea 39:50

I know, and I'm like, what the heck?

Paul G 39:52

Yeah, he there was no reason for him to pick them.

Andrea 39:56

I'm like looking here to see if I can pick up.

Paul G 39:58

They found a distant relative in 2022. Unaware that anyone in the family was missing and well, they're distant, of course. Yeah. Uh investigators located a close family member and obtained a reference DNA sample collected in tw September 28th of 22 that confirmed the identification. The family provided travel context. The DNA Solves case narrative says according to family, Donna and George Burton were known to pass through Benton County and visit an RP RV park, like you said, Pine Island. They didn't the they didn't care ideas, not supported by anything official. And the parents we don't even know who their names are.

Andrea 40:42

It's like nothing on her that can I can find anything about her. Um that would remolt me.

Paul G 40:53

You can't you can't nail it down. Uh relative initially contacted but did not know anyone in the family was missing. Long break and awareness contact reporting. So somehow or other they just don't want to talk to her anymore. Or she didn't want to talk to them. That was it. I mean, that's all you can say.

Andrea 41:14

It's weirder that they I mean, maybe the time that they obviously this when she was uh twenty-eight in nineteen ninety, her parents probably by the time she was found and identified may not be around.

Paul G 41:27

Yeah. And you know, chat's not doing very good for me these days. It's kind of not one it's it's shy. I've put some restrictions on my AI that I've been training for about six years.

Andrea 41:40

Like train your dragon and train your AI.

Paul G 41:42

Yeah, I've been training my AI and and uh I've put too many constraints on it now. It's a f now it's shy for facts. What?

Andrea 41:50

Mainly because when we look this stuff up, we get like they're they're not even real cases.

Paul G 41:57

Yeah, well, they quit doing that, and I got that f I got that solved. Now I just need to figure out how to open it up without it lying again.

Andrea 42:04

No, I can't find anything on her who she was. Yeah. Which I hope and want to believe that I hate that.

Paul G 42:13

So if you know, if you've estranged from your family, you should at least just send a letter from like a post office in New Mexico and the way they they try to track it down, maybe go to New Mexico instead of here or whatever. Yeah, just let them know you're freaking alive.

Andrea 42:28

But even though we've even like read some cases where the family just doesn't report.

Paul G 42:34

Well, and some some people don't care. There's families that don't care. I mean, it's it's you would she Andrea and I are very family oriented and we care deeply about people. We're very I'm very empathetic. I tr I refuse to be sympathetic, which can sometimes irk people, but Andrea is empathetic and sympathetic, and because of that w it's that's because that's our nature. Uh it's hard for us to understand when you can't consider someone else.

Andrea 43:12

Like w why?

Paul G 43:15

Well, in there's some people that don't care at all.

Andrea 43:18

And that's mind-blowing to me.

Paul G 43:20

I mean, you know more than usual, I think, these days, actually.

Andrea 43:23

Families, family, friends are friends, and you know, but then again, okay, remind me of this. I know in the 70s and the 80s, and some of the cases we've listened to and read and talked about, like, you know, you got they gotta be missing for 24 hours before he can report them. Was it that way in the nineties? And maybe if she if they're over eighteen, I mean maybe she was an individual that just really vagabond wasn't in one spot long enough.

Paul G 43:50

Well, that's true. That's what she was doing. And so it could be a combination of all this.

Andrea 43:56

Yeah.

Paul G 43:56

But it just really bothers me that we've we've kind of Gotten to the point now where we're just in our houses and we don't interact with anybody outside our house unless we want to scream at someone on Facebook.

Andrea 44:08

Yeah.

Paul G 44:08

And that seems to be the national pastime these days.

Andrea 44:11

Scream on Facebook because you happen to have different opinions than everyone else.

Paul G 44:15

Everybody's got a different opinion than you. Everybody there's a there's seven billion people and there's seven billion opinions. Remember the old the old joke? Opinions are like assholes. Everyone everybody has one.

Andrea 44:28

That's true.

Paul G 44:28

And they're all covered in shit. I mean, am I wrong?

Andrea 44:36

You're not wrong. I just I would like to think though, if somebody went if she was to go missing now, I should say.

Paul G 44:44

And somebody reported her.

Andrea 44:45

If somebody reported her, either A, it would be known as a local thing, and we all know about it locally. Or B, it'd be all over.

Paul G 44:53

Well, she was of age, though. She's 20s. 20 year olds disappear and they show up 30 years later and thousand miles away and living a life with a bunch of kids.

Andrea 45:03

But like reading them like from 1990, they didn't know who she was until like, you know, 1995. We're starting to like, ooh, let's put together a skull. Oop, can't do that. Keep going and keep going and keep going. And then the detective's like, hmm, what about this?

Paul G 45:16

But if she was also involved with the theft ring, if she was She could have been, you're right. If she's involved, and she probably was. She's having second thoughts. Just like that one, like the one woman that we were watching, um, she got older. And when she got older, she decided she wouldn't live the biker life anymore. Remember the old wrinkly lady?

Andrea 45:37

Oh, yeah.

The Missing Report Question

Paul G 45:38

And we were watching for a minute this morning. Uh she didn't want to live the old the biker life anymore. She didn't want to be around that anymore. She wanted to grow and kind of just settle in and become, you know, housewife-y, work a job, settle down. But you know, maybe that's what she was hidden because her prefrontal cortex was probably forming and she's starting to get go, oh, this is bad.

Andrea 46:03

I don't want to do this anymore.

Paul G 46:05

Yeah, because now her decision making is becoming clearer because of the prefrontal cortex having much more pathways. Yeah. And if you notice 27 to 35, everybody changes.

Music 46:21

Yeah.

Paul G 46:22

They remain the same, but they do change.

Andrea 46:24

You grow up.

Paul G 46:26

Yeah, and that's your prefrontal cortex finally grows.

Andrea 46:29

Yeah.

Paul G 46:30

And then you become a normal person instead of a dickhead.

Andrea 46:33

But between 18 till it forms, you just are Yeah, and you want to smack them. Sorry. Yeah, I kind of have some experience with that. If anybody has teenagers, you all understand. Yeah, just grow up.

Paul G 46:46

You know? Let's let's get with the program. And that's, you know, it's weird because I did that. I I was out there doing crazy stuff, but I never like I was telling you, when people get to start doing bad things, going off the rails and being reckless, I was always they turn around and I was gone. I didn't have anything to do with it because I could I'd be just like, um, this is gonna happen and then that what this is gonna happen later, that this happens, this could happen. If this happens, this could happen.

Andrea 47:15

But I guess for me.

Paul G 47:16

And I'd just bail on it.

Andrea 47:18

There's no a man I don't care how good looking he is, if he's like robbing or been on the most wanted most wanted list, or he's been doing like uh selling drugs.

Paul G 47:31

Yeah.

Andrea 47:32

I don't care if he looks like Fabio. I'm not going after it.

Paul G 47:35

Dudes will follow a good looking chick that puts out till the end of the world. They'll put up with so much. But it's very strange. But I guess it's hard for me. I ran him off. I wouldn't put up with the good looking chick, but she's a bitch. Get out.

Andrea 47:50

But I'm thinking that for her, I'm like, honey, honey, you know what he's doing, just maybe she couldn't walk away.

Paul G 47:57

Well, he probably had her tied up with mentally as well. Because if he's running this stealing thing, he's probably a narcissist and and he has no m ethics or morals that apply to the real world. So he probably had her tied up and she didn't understand what she was that she was being controlled mentally by this guy. Because guys can be really good at that, and ladies tend not to know, and I know this from experience.

Andrea 48:25

Yeah.

Paul G 48:26

And the I always tell Andrea, I say, I say, guys only they only want one thing. It's the guy that chooses not to take it. Take that one thing that we know we're all talking about. That's the guy you want to be with. He chooses not to take it.

Andrea 48:44

Yeah.

Paul G 48:44

And I don't mean let you give it to him or agree upon it. I mean take it. He chooses not to take it. That's the guy you want.

Andrea 48:55

Yeah.

Paul G 48:56

Because he's thinking of you. But if he just manipulates you and manipulates you and manipulates you, and that's probably what this guy was. That's probably who this guy was. I would bet money.

Andrea 49:07

And he's only throwing away her stuff in a dumpster to cover his own butt.

Paul G 49:10

If he cared about her, he wouldn't throw away her stuff. If he cared about her, he wouldn't have shot her. Right. And then burned her. If he cared about her, he might have shot her.

Andrea 49:18

Which is sad.

Paul G 49:19

But not burn her. But he burned the body.

Andrea 49:21

It's sad for her. She lost her life. And then didn't have her name.

Paul G 49:26

Making really bad choices.

Andrea 49:28

And now her family finally knows and the people that sh her parents are probably all dead. Yeah.

Paul G 49:35

More than likely. Or if that if they're not dead, they're not, you know, they're in a nursing home. Maybe. I mean, she was twenty four. Twenty-eight in in two th in 1990? Yeah, that's puts her in the what, the fifties? When she was born.

Andrea 49:55

I don't know. That's too much math for right now.

Paul G 49:57

You're gonna do you don't do math? Drink some more sangria.

Andrea 50:01

You don't want me doing math then.

Paul G 50:02

Well, no, I'm okay with you doing math then because it doesn't matter. Yeah, that's when I choose to.

Andrea 50:08

Oh, that's when you choose to. I hear you. I get it now. See, guys, now we know the real truth.

Paul G 50:15

You know, you you you gotta know your the where the landmines are and when there just aren't.

Andrea 50:20

So let us know what you think of this. But also let us know if you think about me sprinkling in medical stuff because there's a town not far from here.

Family, Distance, and Reality

Paul G 50:28

Not in my drinks. We're not talking about that kind of spreading in medical stuff.

Andrea 50:33

No.

Paul G 50:34

Although it depends on the you know, it depends on the drug, maybe.

Andrea 50:37

You were telling me something that I want to research on. It's about a town in Oklahoma that's not far from here.

Paul G 50:41

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Andrea 50:42

That they used radioactive material up into the 1990s in like spa bath stuff.

Paul G 50:48

You could go take a bath in um radioactive water to make your skin glow. Please tell me like your testicles grow giant cysts and fall off.

Andrea 50:58

The 1990s we were not doing this stuff. Yes. Yes, sir. I mean, come on, Chernobyl. No, yeah. Chernobyl happened.

Paul G 51:06

But it did uh we didn't people don't care. They just making money.

Andrea 51:13

So, well, I guess that kind of makes sense now because women want these big old duck lips and these like weird, like, you know, putting in all these fillers and the I saw something the other day about celebrities at the Well, there's a lady that went and put she had her buddy give her butt implants, and she didn't use she used liquid silicone that's not medical grade and implanted that into her and it almost killed her. Well, yeah, yeah.

Paul G 51:41

Yeah, but she was doing that for a lot of girls. They go in and have it's absolutely insane.

Andrea 51:47

So someone so I'm like, no way. This is I understand like 1950, maybe 1960s. First of all, maybe the 70s.

Paul G 51:55

Let it be natural, you'll be fine.

Andrea 51:57

The nineties of I'm gonna go swim in some radioactive material because it'll make my skin look all pretty.

Paul G 52:03

Well, yeah, you don't have to wear makeup because it glows in the dark.

Andrea 52:06

Your skin will fall off.

Paul G 52:07

I mean Well, Radium Girls.

Andrea 52:10

The Radium Girls, a lot of you probably listened to you know, that kind of their story. I have a book that I want to read on them because the what happened to them was really sad. Because they really didn't. They had no idea what they're doing with it. They had no idea what they were dealing with. And they a lot of them, I saw pictures of them, and it just breaks your heart. Like their whole face was like swollen and their jaw was almost rotting out.

Paul G 52:32

I mean, it was awful. Because they were when they were painting these little watch faces that glow in the dark, they were using their tongue to moisten the tip of their brush, and then they dip the brush in the radioactive paint, paint it, and then do it again. And it was really bad.

Andrea 52:49

They'd paint watch bases and uh a bunch of stuff because their fingernails. Yeah, and because all this stuff, you know, the peekaboo paint, I guess is what I've heard the term called.

Paul G 52:59

Peekaboo paint sounds like something what Lyndon Johnson might do.

Andrea 53:02

Oh god.

Paul G 53:03

But you know, they would like Lyndon Johnson had peekaboos in his White House so he could watch the secretarial poll. Absolutely 100% true.

Andrea 53:12

Wow, and we bitch about Trump now.

Paul G 53:14

Yeah. Lyndon Johnson makes Trump look like a choir boy.

Andrea 53:18

That's really sad. Yeah. Maybe we should cover some of that because that might be interesting to cover.

Paul G 53:24

We should just read my screenplay of that I wrote for a you for a Arkansas senator. He was an Arkansas sitting Arkansas senator who wanted me to write a screenplay that was masturbating presidents.

Andrea 53:42

You told me that, and I've like I I think you read part of it. Yeah, I remember going, Is this real?

Control and Psychology

Paul G 53:47

Yeah, and it it w I took their real situations and then inflamed them to Yeah, to make it like you know. Yeah, it was a terrible thing that I wrote. I mean it's awful, but it's hilarious if you can tolerate that kind of talk. Wow. But an Arkansas, sitting Arkansas senator, a Republican, asked me to make that for him. And I did. And he said it was the best thing I've ever read. Uh yeah. This is the first time I've ever publicly even acknowledged that I wrote that because it's so bad. Well, it's bad.

Andrea 54:21

Everyone's done stuff they're not proud of as far as R.

Paul G 54:24

I like getting stuck on the tub. Lyndon Johnson spying on the secretarial pool, which he made them all wear mini skirts as a uniform. Yeah. Absolutely. 100% true. Wikipedia. That's where I got the information for the most part.

Andrea 54:43

But no, I want to cover on this because this is like 1990s and we're like swimming around in the Yeah.

Paul G 54:48

That's why are your balls glowing, Bill? Because I'm using my new radioactive cream.

Andrea 54:54

Like I get radioactive as a so I'll cover that. I want to cover like because it's not that far from. I guess we could go visit the place.

Paul G 55:00

Yeah, we could go visit it if you want to. It's not that far, it's about an hour.

Andrea 55:03

I mean, do they still have this building?

Paul G 55:05

Yeah, the buildings are still there. I drove by it about five years, six years ago. Is it like And it says right on the side of the building what they're doing? Yeah, absolutely. It's still there. The old paint's still there. At least it was five years ago. Ten years ago. Maybe it had eight years ago. If it's it was there. And the buildings are all rotten and fallen down.

Andrea 55:23

So what did they how I'm well I don't want to cover like, but I'm curious, like A, how did they get that stuff in the water? And B It's natural. It's natural. That's right. You did tell me that.

Paul G 55:34

Yeah, and then they I think they condense it by boiling or something. Just amazing.

Andrea 55:38

So nobody's living their curve now, because how do they get their water? Please tell me they don't get it from the water.

Paul G 55:43

Well they take it from the like we get our water from all from the beaver lake water thing. So they pull it out, pull it out somewhere low uh uh regionally and then they pump it to everybody. So we get all our little water from Beaver Lake. Every every ounce of water we have drank in Fayetteville, Springdale, Rogers, Bentonville, Lowell has come out of Beaver Lake.

Andrea 56:02

Wow. Every ounce.

Paul G 56:03

So I'll dig into White River.

Andrea 56:05

White River. But what are you gonna dig into next?

Paul G 56:08

Uh pizza and maybe some uh uh maybe there's uh the key lime pie I might get a hold of.

Andrea 56:16

What? What what are you gonna cover next week? Do you know?

Paul G 56:19

Oh man. What am I gonna cover? I don't know. I was thinking, um I don't really know, actually. I haven't figured it out yet. Okay. I don't know if I should go true crime again or if I should go uh you know, we could we could talk about some really interesting musicians that did some really really bad decisions. That'd be interesting.

Andrea 56:41

I think most people expect that.

Paul G 56:43

Yeah, they're musicians. Yeah. Yeah. You heard about the uh plane crash that killed four musicians and a drummer?

Andrea 56:51

Oh no?

Paul G 56:52

That's a that's a that's a musician joke. Oh, four musicians and a drummer. Oh drummers hate that joke. Oh but then they laugh because they're like those musicians suck. Drummers are better. Oh exactly. See, yeah, just like that. So if you enjoy our humor, um I'm sorry. But it's good because we're here to entertain you and enlighten you into the world of I don't know what we're thinking most of the time. But if you enjoyed this, if you like what we're doing, or if you just want to complain, that's cool too. You can do that. Uh then go to Paul G Newton.com and buy some swag because you need to buy something. Do you understand me? Buy something.

Music 57:39

Buy something.

Paul G 57:41

I had some really good t-shirts on there, actually. I need to make some more. Because I I haven't I haven't made any in a while. Uh I was trying to make some funny ones the other day, but it didn't work.

Andrea 57:52

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Paul G 57:53

I guess mostly because I didn't care. I've been doing a website for a lady. And uh just kind of got sidetracked. I've been building a website.

Andrea 58:02

You did a good job though.

Paul G 58:03

Here we go. It's my medal. I call this uh things I want a metal. But because I had to keep track of which ones are all things I want to know. Yeah, they all tell me the same after a while. Yeah. So this starts off really cool, and I'm like, yes, this is great, this is great. But then it it turns into a nickelback again.

Andrea 58:24

All I hear is nickelback.

What We Can Call Justice

Paul G 58:26

And there it is. It's no, it's it's it's not nickelback, it's that um Jard Leto's Brothers band. Can't remember what it is. I just hear nickelback. No, it's this isn't nickelback, this is more like this is a little bit darker than better than nickelback. I don't know. You know, nickelback gets a hard wrap because they sold like more albums than any other any other artist during that time. Yeah. Everybody heard them. And everybody bashes them. I'm like, no, you probably own four of their albums at least.

Andrea 58:59

Oh yeah, hands down.

Paul G 59:00

Owning it's like Creed. Yes, you own a Creed album. I think everybody does. Yeah, exactly, but they bashed it. And it's like, what? What is your problem? Anyway, so things they want to know, leave us a cut a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform. And if you want to send us a hate mail, please do, Paul G at Paulg Newton.com. It's Paul G at Paulg Newton.com, and I will respond to you with either a a comment or an invisible email that you can't see because it's invisible. But I did respond. I'm just telling you ahead of time. No?

Andrea 59:36

No.

Paul G 59:36

You don't think it's believable?

Andrea 59:38

No, I don't.

Paul G 59:38

I responded, you just didn't see it because it's invisible.

Andrea 59:41

Okay. That's right. We're gonna bring out like the lemon juice and the milk to read it.

Paul G 59:45

Put it in the oven.

Andrea 59:46

Okay.

Paul G 59:46

Put your computer in the oven. That's fine with me. The person who sends it's hate mail, go right ahead. Put your computer in the oven. Oh god. Alright, bye.

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