In today's episode of "Limitless Healing with Colette," your go-to source for wellness insights and transformational health journeys, we're thrilled to have the remarkable Natasha Trenev with us—a true pioneer from Natren, who has revolutionized the probiotic field with her extensive knowledge and innovative protocols.
In this episode, we dive deep into the complexities of probiotics, shedding light on their power when done right and the often overlooked aspects of shelf stability, government oversight, and the gut's monumental impact on our overall health, including skin, fertility, and even autoimmune diseases.
Natasha, bringing with her 56 years of invaluable experience, discusses the challenging journey that beneficial bacteria face in our stomach acid and shares with us the importance of consuming genuinely healthy products.
Join Colette Brown as she expresses profound gratitude for Natasha's influence on her own health saga.
Episode Highlights:
03:49 Introducing real yogurt with probiotic properties.
07:14 Private label manufacturers created 1000 bacteria combinations.
11:41 Optimal timing and consistency improve health benefits.
19:01 Skin reflects gut health, don't suppress symptoms.
21:59 Promote vaginal health with lactobacillus acidophilus.
25:43 Ecosystem issues impact health; gut health important.
26:45 Moderation and mindfulness, childhood antibiotics caused sickness.
37:25 Health care spending, chronic diseases, society's health.
41:26 Natren.com offers protocol for UtI and vaginal issues.
Biography of Natasha Trenev:
UCLA graduate Natasha Trenev and Yordan Trenev founded Natren Inc. in
1982 with the goal of developing the first revolutionary method of producing
an effective and scientifically validated single strain bacteria product. Her
efforts led to the establishment of the entire probiotics category in North
America, Australia, England, Holland and Belgium. She is also the Founder
and Chairwoman of The National Institute of Probiotics, dedicated to the
technological advancement of probiotic usage.
For more than 40 years, Ms. Trenev has been leading the scientific
community in the acquisition of knowledge about probiotics. She authored
the Probiotic Standards adopted by the National Nutritional Foods
Association (now National Product Association), which were later read into
the Congressional Record. A member of the American society of
Microbiology, American Association for the Advancement of Science,
Institute of Food Technologists, Anaerobe Society of the Americas and
American Dairy Science Association, Ms. Trenev is recognized as an
educator, research scientist, author and television and radio personality as
well as an authority on probiotics.
Website: https://www.natren.com/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/natashatrenev/
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Colette
Colette Brown [00:00:00]:
Welcome to the Limitless healing podcast where everyone is welcome to take a front row seat and listen in on inspiring conversations, stories of healing and action steps to help you live your best life. My name is Colette Brown and I am passionate about all things wellness, mind, body, soul. Inspired by my own personal transformation from unwell and not knowing where to turn to thriving and flourishing, and motivated to help you do the same, I share this platform with medical doctors, wellness practitioners, chronic illness survivors, meditation and mindfulness gurus, innovators of products from food to technology and more. Think of it as a one stop shop for wellness resources where you can listen to professionals from around the world to help you thrive. Join me Mondays and Wednesdays while sipping a cup of tea or making your favorite meal as we explore the world of wellness together. This is the Limitless healing podcast.
Colette Brown [00:01:11]:
When you think of people who change the world, who comes to mind for you? In my world? About ten years ago, it was very dark. I couldn't answer questions to my ailing health. The light came through my own discovery that food, nutrition, supplementation and lifestyle changes could change my life forever. One of the key elements in my own personal journey was healing my gut through probiotics. Not just any probiotics, I was referred to a brand, Natrin, as the gold standard in research and efficacy. I feel that this brand was a component to helping heal my body today. So it is an absolute honor to welcome the founder of Natrin. She's not like any other, she's a trailblazer and she's actively involved in research and spreading information around health and healing the body through probiotics and more.
Colette Brown [00:02:07]:
She's passionate about it and I cannot wait to share her with you. Welcome. Natasha Trenov thank you so much.
Natasha Trenev [00:02:15]:
It's such a pleasure to do this podcast because I feel women, more so than ever today, need to be informed. And unfortunately, our health food industry is very corrupt and that's why I'm still working at 76, I might say, because I feel that the information is still valid and probably not known by many women. And women are usually the caretakers in a relationship, in a family with children, and we need to be informed because then we can inform the rest of the family. And I think this information is vital for every woman to know. And just to give you my brief history, I'm a child of immigrant parents. I'm a naturalized citizen. My parents come from the former country of Yugoslavia. My father Macedonian, my mother serbian, and my father was the official court supplier to the king of Yugoslavia for fermented foods.
Colette Brown [00:03:11]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:03:12]:
And my grandfather and my men folk and my family go back 750 years in the fermentation business.
Colette Brown [00:03:19]:
That's fascinating.
Natasha Trenev [00:03:21]:
And I had chosen a different career. But since my family introduced the natural style bulgarian yogurt to North America, they really needed my help because my parents needed help with English. And it was an industry where there was hardly any refrigerators in any health food stores. I would say, like, maybe 10% of the stores had any kind of fresh produce or real products.
Colette Brown [00:03:45]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:03:46]:
They were mostly supplement stores.
Colette Brown [00:03:48]:
Okay.
Natasha Trenev [00:03:49]:
And so it was a big challenge to, first of all, introduce Americans to a real yogurt that had real probiotic properties. We were the first ones to introduce a liquid acidophilus. And for 30 years, nobody would buy something that didn't tell them it was an acidophilus. That's how strong the belief in lactobacillus acidophilus was for any kind of ailments. And they knew that you couldn't put this in foods because it just didn't survive. Having introduced the natural style bulgarian yogurt and the liquid acidophilus, I was approached by a professor at the University of Nebraska who was doing extensive studies and selecting specific strains of this bacteria that incredible properties, anticarcinogenic, anti tumor, antifungal, antibacterial, and all maintaining the body's optimal health, because lactobacillus acidophilus was one of those organisms that appear in literature for 100 years and across the board in multiple countries.
Colette Brown [00:04:53]:
And this is like a real ancient wisdom, really. There's wisdom in food that we've lost, I think, throughout history. And so your family knew this and the benefits of it. So it's so beautiful that we're talking to somebody who's so closely connected to the history of the bacteria. And so please continue. This is amazing. I love it.
Natasha Trenev [00:05:15]:
Yeah. So I was the first one to freeze dry a selected strain of this lactobacillus acidophilus and introduce it to the industry in a freeze dried powder. And people were getting miraculous results. And the reason I still stick to lactobacillus acidophilus, because it was associated with vaginal health, it was associated with gastrointestinal health, it was associated with immune health, it was associated with skin health. There's virtually 10,000 published articles and clinical trials, unlike the bacillus acidophilus. And it's not only the strain selection. It's how you grow it, how you stabilize it, and how you deliver it. If you don't meet all of its criteria for survival and thriving.
Natasha Trenev [00:06:01]:
It's not going to function. And I'll tell you, bacteria a lot smarter than we are, because if you don't meet their criteria for survival, they're not going to waste their cellular energy to impress us. So this is one of the biggest problems we have in the industry that people are telling you, oh, yeah, I'm selling you the strain and I'm mixing all these bacteria together. The problem is that bacteria don't get along. They're mutually antagonistic. And if you put them in a closed ended environment like a capsule, they will start competing and annihilating each other.
Colette Brown [00:06:33]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:06:34]:
Yeah. This is the most important thing that people need to understand.
Colette Brown [00:06:37]:
Yes.
Colette Brown [00:06:38]:
I want to insert really quick there to your point, I've heard so much controversy since I started taking probiotics. Some people say, yeah, the more the merrier. You need all these different types. But I was told initially that's why I was introduced to your brand was that less is more. And so I think that's where you're going with this conversation and I will.
Natasha Trenev [00:07:00]:
Get into depth, but it's important to understand. So here I have introduced the first probiotic product and introduced the whole probiotic category and nobody knew what I was talking about for 20 years.
Colette Brown [00:07:13]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:07:14]:
What happens? Because producing these bacteria is rocket science. There was a host of private label manufacturers who said, we can't do what she's doing. So let's figure out another method. And because people are not well aware of microbiology, let alone probiotics, which is a very sophisticated field within the field of microbiology. So what they did is they would just take cell concentrates of these bacteria, throw them together, because they realized if you can mix a lot of bacteria together and put different names on the label, you can have 1000 combinations. And the consumer is ignorant. They don't know. And they think that this is great because you're getting all these different friendly strains.
Colette Brown [00:07:58]:
Billions and billions, right?
Natasha Trenev [00:07:59]:
Yeah. And that's the furthest thing from the truth. Number one, these bacteria are not dormant unless you house them in liquid nitrogen, which is -170 degrees fahrenheit. It's like a sperm bank. Anything above that temperature is called arrested growth. So you throw all these bacteria in a capsule, they are antagonistic and they start fighting each other because there's no food and there's no protection for them inside that capsule. So many times the bacteria listed on the label are not even in the capsule. And if they're in the capsule, they don't survive.
Natasha Trenev [00:08:36]:
Maybe one or two strains survive, and then those have a very tough time because they're not protected from stomach acid. Now, stomach acid was designed for two functions, to digest protein and to kill bacteria. So now you have this product with six, eight pen strains. You have no idea what comes in through your mouth, into your stomach. And these bacteria are so stressed that virtually very little survives, even if you claim 100 billion. Does that make sense?
Colette Brown [00:09:06]:
That does. And so what is the differentiation between your strains? And how does that get through the stomach acid? Because there's a lot of controversy around that, too, that it actually doesn't make it into the intestines and it doesn't work. And so it's worthless. I want you to talk about that, too, because there is confusion.
Natasha Trenev [00:09:28]:
Right. Just so people know, I've been in this field for 56 years, and I've done a ton of research, so I'm well aware of the problem because I handled that problem very early on in my career. The best way that I found for bacteria to survive stomach acid is if you microengrove them in oil. That's a very complex and expensive process. It becomes a pharmaceutical grade process. And to keep it natural is the biggest challenge of all. To make sure you have a natural oil, you only use natural ingredients. You only use a capsule with natural color.
Natasha Trenev [00:10:02]:
You use the best processing. So what happens is that besides the acidophilus, I took the best bacteria from yogurt, which is a lactobacillus bulgaricus, and the only bacteria attributed to longevity because of the long lived Bulgarians. And then I was the first one to introduce a bifidobacteria to the United States in 1986, which is the most important bacteria for the large intestine. Okay, so you have various parts in your intestinal tract. So every bacteria I choose has a specific role to play for human health. So then I took these three bacteria, and with a very complex process, I microwaved them in oil. I put them in a two piece gelatin capsule. Why? Because you can't really house the oil in that so called vegetarian capsule, which is a chemical process, by the way.
Natasha Trenev [00:10:53]:
And it's not easy to ban those capsules or to make the bacteria last within that confinement. So after having solved all those technical problems, I had a very prominent institute in Germany that's regulated by the german government do a survival study on my three bacteria in my oil matrix. And by golly, we proved that our three bacteria will survive a ph as low as 1.8 for well over an hour.
Colette Brown [00:11:24]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:11:25]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:11:25]:
Fascinating. So how long does it take when you swallow it? How long does it take before it hits it?
Natasha Trenev [00:11:32]:
Depends on how heavy your meal is. Obviously, if you're eating a steak, it's going to take longer than an hour.
Colette Brown [00:11:37]:
So you take it in the morning. Right. Empty stomach is what I've always.
Natasha Trenev [00:11:41]:
You can take it in the early morning and you can have it with a protein shake, that's fine. Or you can take it right before bed if you have some problems with your liver function or sleeping, because the liver function actually controls your sleeping and waking cycles. So the good news about our product, there's the best way to take it. And the more consistently you take it throughout the day, the better it is. And why is that? Because I have never seen such a compromised internal microbiota as I have seen now with the chronic disease, up to 80% of our entire healthcare budget. So the problems are much greater than they were even five years ago, let alone ten years ago. We have an explosion of turbo cancer, heart disease, young people coming down with cancer, autoimmune disease. It's something I have never seen before in my lifetime in this industry.
Colette Brown [00:12:36]:
What do you attribute that to?
Natasha Trenev [00:12:38]:
I attribute it to all these people recommending crazy diets with no historical reference in any culture, exposing us to foods that our bodies can't really take.
Colette Brown [00:12:48]:
Yeah.
Natasha Trenev [00:12:49]:
Not understanding sanitation at any level. And I'll give you a great example. I tell people, stay away from juice bars. What do you mean? Aren't juice bars supposed to be healthy? I said, yes. The problem is with the sanitation, because if you follow the early industry pioneers, we all knew, and we told people, if you use a juicer, you have to take it apart within 45 minutes, an hour at the most. Because when you break up the cellular structure of fruits and vegetables, it becomes a breeding guard for anything that's floating in the air to attack it and to start growing.
Colette Brown [00:13:24]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:13:25]:
Okay, so just imagine you're breaking down all these fruits and vegetables, but you're not cleaning the machine. After an hour, all these bacteria and other unfriendlies that might be there are included in your juice drink.
Colette Brown [00:13:40]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:13:41]:
This is again, the fact that we've lost contact with cultures that have learned over the centuries how to keep their food sanitary, what to eat, what not to eat. It's from observation, and it was passed on culturally. Whereas in the United States for the past 50 years, everything that we've learned culturally was disseminated, whether it was good or bad. And so we are now starting off with any guru who's done no studies of any cultures, let alone in the blue zone, to understand that it takes a while to adjust that microbiome. And you can't just go off on any crazy diet because somebody on TikTok or on YouTube told you that this is what you should be doing and that's going to make you healthy.
Colette Brown [00:14:28]:
No, it's getting to the fundamentals, which is why I'm so happy that we're having this conversation. And so we've got pesticides, glyphosate, our food system, the GMO. This is all contributing to people being unwell. And I would love for you to also touch on regulation, because I don't believe that all these companies that are out there making these claims actually have the oversight from the government to back up what they're claiming. And that is a weakness in our system. Can you talk to that a little bit?
Natasha Trenev [00:15:05]:
Yeah, absolutely. Because I've worked with the FDA, in 2010, I actually worked ahead of person who was ahead of their dietary supplement division. And I'm sorry to say he left very disappointed within a year or two because he said there was just no use. I'm just quoting him. And what it is, is that the FDA is more concerned about claims that you make than the quality of the product. And the claims may be affiliated with published clinical research. But here's the problem, because the strain that they use may not be grown and protected in the way that it was in the clinical trial. You just take a bacteria out of context and you put it into a finished commercial product, maybe the same bacteria strain, but it has nothing to do with how the bacteria was grown, stabilized and delivered in the clinical trial.
Colette Brown [00:15:55]:
Fascinating.
Natasha Trenev [00:15:56]:
And that's the problem. That's the biggest problem because, and this is my opinion, I feel that there's a close tie with the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies. And the pharmaceutical companies really have no vested interest in having the dietary supplements work.
Colette Brown [00:16:13]:
Sure. Yeah.
Natasha Trenev [00:16:14]:
And so the confusion is allowed to proliferate. I've spoken to Dr. Levy at the time that he was at the FDA. I said, if the FDA really wants to protect the consumer, their number one job is to make sure whatever is listed on the label is actually inside the product. And I said you would eliminate the problem with the claims 90%. Because if they're not able to show you that they have something in the product, once they mix it all together, then they shouldn't be on the market.
Colette Brown [00:16:44]:
Yeah.
Natasha Trenev [00:16:45]:
And then the games like shelf stability is played around with. Which is another reason we're not getting people better, is because they're telling people something that's not true. Now, I'm also a pioneer, perishable shipping. Remember I told you at the beginning that there was no refrigerators in health food stores when I started working? I actually am a pioneer in perishable shipping. So I understand everything about survival and perishability and refrigeration. And the problem is that when they talk about shelf stable products, they're talking about products that survive at 70 degrees fahrenheit, 72 degrees fahrenheit. There is no such temperature in storage, shipping. And when you leave products that are marked shelf stable on a dock of a store or a distributor house for days in the sun because some ignorant person has read, this is shelf stable.
Natasha Trenev [00:17:43]:
So that means anything goes. It's the same thing with the consumer. They'll throw that product in a hot trunk, they'll put it on a windowsill, and basically you're consuming nothing that can help you whatsoever.
Colette Brown [00:17:56]:
So that's a big education, and it's not being enforced by the government, by the FDA, to have these regulations. And so it's so important to do your due diligence. And that's the beautiful thing about Natrin, because you have done that, and it does take research and years of scientific based evidence to bring a product like yours to the market. So tell us a little more about Natrin and the benefits that we can see from it. I mean, your skin is glowing, and I know that it's probably partly to do with your probiotics. I'm sure there's some genetics in there, too. But you're very healthy, and the industries that we're in, we really need to immerse ourselves to try to do better what you're doing. So tell us a little bit more.
Colette Brown [00:18:49]:
And there's also a protocol that you have put together for women and vaginal health, which is something that keeps coming up over and over in my radar and people that I'm talking to.
Natasha Trenev [00:19:01]:
The skin is a mirror of what your intestinal tract looks like. So if your skin is not glowing and beautiful, and you have beautiful skin, if it's not glowing and beautiful, that means inside your intestinal tract is not glowing and beautiful. Yes, skin issues, we give them different names, psoriasis, acne contact, whatever. But it's really, according to chinese medicine, manifesting as a problem in a particular spot in the GI tract, and the body is actually talking to you. And what do we do? In modern medicine, we put something to suppress the immune system so that to get rid of the skin problem without taking the internal problem, because the body is speaking to us through our skin. And that's the worst thing you can do. The absolute worst thing you can do. So you have to understand the bacteria.
Natasha Trenev [00:19:53]:
That's why I don't use more than four bacteria. And all of those four bacteria evolve with humanity, have a history of 100 years. I still use lactobacillus acidophilus for vaginal and urinary tract health because it's been in the literature. Our lactobacillus acidophilus has been tested in the 90s on hiv positive women at the very prominent Yale nursing school. And we did as well as the drug to subdue yeast in women who had yeast overgrowth who are hiv positive.
Colette Brown [00:20:28]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:20:29]:
And that's huge.
Colette Brown [00:20:30]:
That's huge.
Natasha Trenev [00:20:31]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:20:32]:
Yes.
Natasha Trenev [00:20:33]:
So we know that our lactobacillus acidophilus a will perform. B. It's not just the yeast overgrowth, it's bacterial overgrowth. And by the way, your vaginal tract and urinary tract are very closely connected. So if you have bacteria in your urinary tract, they will infect your vaginal area and vice versa. They're not separate from each other. So what I have done now, because I've seen the severity of infertility of unhealthy vaginal tracts, of unhealthy urinary tracts. Along with recommending our healthy trinity for oral use, I have a product that was the first probiotic ever on the market.
Natasha Trenev [00:21:15]:
It's still the best of its class as a lactobacillus acidophilus product. It's called megadophilus. And megadophilus you can take in a capsule, or you can take the powdered form. And I now have a new method by application, which was actually developed by me with a prominent doctor at Cedar Sinai in the Dr. Calvin Hobbel. He was the head of obstetrics and gynecology. So we take this powder, a teaspoon of it, mix it with filtered water, and ask the women to insert it digitally vaginally. They need to have either gloves or a finger caught so they don't cross contaminate each other.
Natasha Trenev [00:21:59]:
But if you do that, you're actually activating the culture and you're inserting live, healthy, fresh cells of lactobacillus acidophilus that will go inside all of your vaginal tract, all of your sex organs, and it will actually bring all of it to an optimal balance, which is so important and will help you with the urinary tract infection. You need to take it both orally, along with the healthy trinity, and insert it vaginally for seven to four days. And the reason I say that is because the organisms now are so resistant and so strong, it's very difficult to deal with them. And we've made them difficult and strong because of the abuse of antibiotics, not by the proper use of antibiotics, but by the abuse of antibiotics. And by the way, glyphosate, which you talked about earlier, is the active ingredient in roundup. And glyphosate was first patented as a very potent antibiotic, which most people don't know.
Colette Brown [00:23:02]:
Oh, I didn't know that.
Natasha Trenev [00:23:03]:
Yeah. All of these pesticides sprayed on your food, you're not only ingesting the pesticide, you're also ingesting a very potent antibiotic that completely messes with your GI flora, your vaginal flora, and your urinary tract flora.
Colette Brown [00:23:18]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:23:19]:
No, glyphosate was also known as agent orange in Vietnam. So it's very dangerous. And people have heard that, but they haven't heard the culprit behind it is actually glyphosate or Roundup Monsanto ready crop, the GMO that's so important. So you say seven to 14 days. Would you recommend doing that longer as, like, a protocol ongoing? Or do you say only do it, like, the certain amount of time and then as follow up every, like, once a week, once a month?
Natasha Trenev [00:23:57]:
You don't have to do it as often. You have to listen to your body. The good news is this will never hurt you. No matter how many times you do it, it will never, under any conditions, hurt you. Hopefully, you're able to regain your vaginal health and your intestinal tract. You need to take the product orally, not because Natasha wants to sell you more product, but because of what we've done to our environment. Now, the same glyphosate that we just talked about is present in 80% of all the urine samples in the United States.
Colette Brown [00:24:27]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:24:29]:
On top of that, I saw another, and I have to verify this, but up to 98% of all of our food supplies have residue of this. And the thing is, you may have something certified organic, but if it's grown in a field where this is sprayed, there's certainly going to be residue coming over by the wind into your crops.
Colette Brown [00:24:47]:
Yeah.
Natasha Trenev [00:24:48]:
So you prove that the soil is healthy, that you're growing your crops in.
Colette Brown [00:24:51]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:24:52]:
Developing my food product right now, I learned that when a product has the certified organic stamp on it, that the FDA only requires it to be 70% organic, which means that the other 30% can be full of glyphosate, pesticides, GMO fillers, just horrible things. So in order to get 100% organic, you have to look for the 100% organic certification. And even as to your earlier point, even if you do have 100% organic, it could be carryover from another field that gets into your product.
Natasha Trenev [00:25:32]:
Precisely.
Colette Brown [00:25:34]:
It's even more reason to be diligent and to be putting the really good things in our bodies that are going to help promote health.
Natasha Trenev [00:25:43]:
Our whole ecosystem is now not optimal. And so that's why I said, they said, why do I have to take this every day? 50 years ago, you didn't have to do that. Unfortunately, now you do. Because I didn't cause the problem. I'm just reporting the problem. And I'm telling you that this young women who can't seem to get pregnant, who don't have vaginal health, who feel terrible, tired, don't look good, don't have healthy hair, don't have healthy skin, it's all related to what's going in your gut, because the gut is the pipeline to all health and disease in the body. I said this 50 years ago, and now I've been proven right. Entrace any disease, including in your brain, to something that's going wrong in your gut.
Natasha Trenev [00:26:27]:
So trashing your gut with what you think is healthy and what you're consuming on a daily basis may not be optimal. So that's why we all have to get back to some rationale and look at healthy cultures before we engage in some crazy diet that some guru is.
Colette Brown [00:26:45]:
Recommending in moderation and being very mindful of what's coming in. And knowing my personal story, my gut was destroyed as a child through antibiotics. And I didn't know that is what created all the sickness within my body. And I started getting cystic acne as an adult, and it wouldn't go away. Everything that I tried, the topical, the pills, everything, I even went on accutane, and that still didn't work. To your point of we throw medication. Not one doctor in my whole journey of 20 years of just searching for what is the answer? Because I hated the way that my skin looked. I hated the way that I felt.
Colette Brown [00:27:36]:
My stomach was in pain. I was diagnosed with arthritis in my 20s. Brain fog, lethargy, just on and on, and it just wasn't normal. But doctors were telling me there was nothing wrong until I figured it out. And I found the answers with a GI who also had an apothecary in his office and looked at me in a different way and said, you're going to be fine. So, yeah, 95% of all autoimmune disease is from the gut. We know that. And it's proven.
Colette Brown [00:28:02]:
And I love that you're just a trailblazer and you've been leading the way and you've been sharing this information relentlessly for all these years. And you have a protocol that, where can people go? Women? Or if you're a man and you know somebody who suffers with this, where can they go to find your protocol? I know it's not out right now, but it will be shortly.
Natasha Trenev [00:28:24]:
Yeah. The good news is I still have live people that work for me, many of them, for 20 years or more. That's all our job is to help people, because many places you call today, you can't even talk to anybody. So the protocol will be up. They already know the protocol. So you can go to natrin.com spells natren.com, or you can call eight six six the number four, and then spell out Natrin Natren and just push for consumer direct and you'll give you the protocol how to insert the lactobacillus acidophilus vaginally. It's not that difficult, really. Take it orally.
Natasha Trenev [00:29:08]:
Take the healthy trinity orally. Everybody today should be on this premier probiotic called healthy Trinity on a daily basis, if not once, twice. Because what's in the environment right now has never been there. We've got stuff in the air, we got stuff in the ground, we got stuff in the water. I literally, at home, have a triple water filter. I have one outside my house, I have one underneath my sink. And then I further filter that water because I just don't trust anything that I read anymore.
Colette Brown [00:29:39]:
It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. I would agree to that. So great. And I'm going to put that in the show notes, too, for people so they can see where to go to find it. I also wanted to touch on really quickly kombucha, because we had an earlier conversation and we were talking all things the bacteria. And it was brought up that while kombucha is medicinal and it's good, people are drinking it like water. So tell us the reasons that people should be not consuming it in abundance and why that is.
Natasha Trenev [00:30:14]:
First of all, has a starter culture that has a beer yeast, just because you don't understand the name. So the beer yeast then interacts with a microbe, a bacteria that produces cellulose. We have no idea what this bacteria will do on large numbers and on a continual basis. And second of all, with all the problems we have with candida and fungal overgrowth, nobody should be consuming something with a beer yeast on a daily basis. And it's also the people who are consuming these mushrooms. Yes, they have a good autoimmune disease. Yes, the beer yeast can help you with the b vitamins, but no, we have in North America a highly disturbed microbiota in our GI tract. You cannot be consuming something that has a beer yeast on a daily basis.
Natasha Trenev [00:31:05]:
That's like you consuming a can of beer every day. And people don't understand that just because it's not producing any alcohol doesn't mean that it's beneficial. And this is what I tell people. We had the same problem in the 80s with soy milk. People used to get very angry with me, and I said, listen, I go to the culture. The Japanese were drinking six to 8oz of soy milk once a week as a treat. And I'm saying, if you look at the cultural use, how can you justify drinking all this soy milk on a daily basis in a pint or even a quart? And boom, nobody listened. Oh, natasha, you're just extravagant in your warnings, and blah, blah, blah, this is good for you.
Natasha Trenev [00:31:50]:
And bingo, we found out that the soy was mimicking estrogen supplementation in our body, and consequently, we had a lot of problems. It's the same thing with kombucha. They've taken out of the cultural context. The families in Asia that grew this tea and gave this tea, had it for generations. There were chosen people who gave this medicinal tea. It was never meant to be a popular drink. And this is where our industry goes crazy. They think that because something is good in small quantities, let's drink it every day.
Natasha Trenev [00:32:25]:
Just look at how well that served us. Because we've got as many sick people in the health food industry as we do people consuming fast foods. And just to give you an example, people say, oh, yeah, I'm vegan, so I'm going to drink almond milk. I'm going to drink oat milk, I'm going to drink coconut milk. And I said, you're drinking something in large quantities that your body has never seen. Plus, it's a highly processed food. There is no such thing as almond milk.
Colette Brown [00:32:55]:
And the gums.
Natasha Trenev [00:32:56]:
Pardon me?
Colette Brown [00:32:57]:
The gums. The guar gums, yeah, the gums that.
Natasha Trenev [00:33:00]:
Are used in making this liquid. I said, it's completely. You have to know what you're consuming. Just because somebody calls something almond milk, how many almonds are really in that milk? That's the first question you should ask. And I'm not knocking anybody. This is your choice, but you need to know what the choice is. And the fact that we've gotten away from dairy milk is a tragedy in our country, because I can tell you that dairy was used by many cultures and who had longevity in a fermented state and were very healthy. The fact that we've eliminated all milk in our diet, we should question it, because I don't think it's the milk that's causing the problem.
Natasha Trenev [00:33:39]:
It's what we've done with our cattle in our soil that's causing the milk to be a problem.
Colette Brown [00:33:44]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:33:47]:
The dairy with the antibiotics, and they're being fed a lot of grains and the glyphosate, and then it's processed, and then all the sugar that's added in to one container of sugar is as much sugar as you should have in a day. And you're eating that with your smoothie, drinking it down, and your juices that have bacteria in them. Now that I learned that, that's really scary. So I think it's being very mindful and doing things in moderation and really watching what you're consuming. And as you said, for the moms, we're the maternal ones that are usually the caretakers, and we're leading the families, and people come to us to ask what we should do. So what advice do you have for not just moms, but other people, too, on just, like, day to day living, how to be well, because it's not just the probiotics incorporated in your lifestyle. And it goes even as broad as friendships, stress, exercise, movement.
Natasha Trenev [00:34:54]:
Yeah, I think the children, we're all challenged to figure out what our children need to eat. When I was growing up, my mother used to give us one soft boiled egg every morning, and that was with the bread that we had in Yugoslavia that didn't have all these problems with the grain. And we just ate very simple foods. My mother would go to the farmers market and choose whatever vegetable was in season, and she knew how to prepare it. Nothing was ever eaten raw except tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers, and onions was sauteed and cooked. Nothing was boiled. I think one of the big problems we have in the United States, we were boiling vegetables, and then we went to the other reverse and said, okay, we're going to eat the raw vegetables. That's not good for a lot of people because they just don't have the enzyme to break that down.
Natasha Trenev [00:35:44]:
And so we have to figure out, we have to go back to basics. What can we give this child in the morning that's going to suit him? And I would say anything that has sugar added should be avoided, whether it's yogurt. And especially, you can't really make yogurt from any other milk except cow's milk effectively. And I know because I come from that business, you have to add a lot of additives and a whole lot of gum. And we really don't know what you're fermenting. And so you need to take a stock look at your genetic heritage, look at what you've been consuming in this diet. Make sure that the child is able to tolerate the food that you're giving. And I don't think you should be giving your child almond milk, milk, coconut milk.
Natasha Trenev [00:36:28]:
And by the way, coconut comes from the polynesian cultures or from cultures that are very hot. Coconuts have a natural antifungal, antimicrobial property. And I just don't know. We adopted this in the west, how good that's going to be for us. Do you know what I'm saying? It was great in the polynesian culture because for generations, that's what they've used. We've just adopted into our culture without knowing how our bodies or our microbiome will tolerate that. We just don't know. I'm not saying anything against it.
Natasha Trenev [00:36:59]:
I'm just saying proceed with caution. Don't just jump on something because somebody told you it's good.
Colette Brown [00:37:05]:
Everything in moderation, I think. Yes, and I think it's the same as when you're consuming, like, the soy milk. Back to that issue of when that came to the states and the craze. I could talk to you for hours, natasha, and I think we should do a part two of this conversation. Is there anything else that you'd like to add in today?
Natasha Trenev [00:37:25]:
Yeah. I'm going to say that we are spending $4.3 trillion in health care. 80% of that is spent on chronic disease. My question is to everybody who's into health foods or health food concepts. They've been around for at least 70 years that I know of. Why is it that we have more sick people in today's society than we had when we were smoking and drinking heavily and consuming red meat? We had far fewer chronic diseases than we do now. Yeah, I'm not saying you should be smoking or eating red meat. I'm just saying you have to ask yourself the question, what is it that we've done wrong? Because basically our whole health care system is bankrupt.
Natasha Trenev [00:38:05]:
It's not about a future thing. It's bankrupt right now. And I just want to leave you with this thought. There is something radically wrong in our society when we know the autism rate is about to hit one in two by 2030, if that happens, the amount of budget that we will need to deal with this problem is $17 trillion. $17 trillion just to deal with the autism issue.
Colette Brown [00:38:33]:
Wow.
Natasha Trenev [00:38:34]:
And so I'm giving these numbers to tell people, look, whatever we've done isn't working. So we have to have an open mind. Who are we listening to? What is their experience in studying cultures? Who had healthy, not just in the blue zones, what was healthy in our diet? We have to get back to eating things that we used to eat, but from a true organic source. And that's what I think we should do. I go back to my own cultural. When my parents came to this country in the 1950s, I was about eight years old. They never heard of half the diseases that people were talking. Even in the 1950s.
Natasha Trenev [00:39:13]:
They said, oh, my goodness, this is a very sick nation.
Colette Brown [00:39:16]:
Wow.
Colette Brown [00:39:18]:
You were introduced to that very young.
Natasha Trenev [00:39:20]:
Yeah, very young age. And the fact is that we didn't have that many diseases as we do now. So that's my question for everybody. We need to keep talking about this. I don't have all the answers. I just know, and I say this with a clear mind, a clean heart, that I know that everybody today needs to take a precision probiotic because this whole industry has gone off the deep end. People are selling. They haven't got a clue what they're selling.
Natasha Trenev [00:39:47]:
And that's why I'm still staying. It's not for monetary concerns. It's because I'm deeply concerned about the, especially the health of young people, and I don't want to see them not being able to function. And that's why I'm telling you, everybody needs to be fixing their GI tract and they need to know what they're putting in their GI tract because fooling around with microbes you don't know about is a big problem because they're smart and they don't behave just because you want them to behave.
Colette Brown [00:40:15]:
They've got their own mind and they're.
Natasha Trenev [00:40:18]:
Much smarter than we are. Trust me.
Colette Brown [00:40:20]:
That's amazing.
Natasha Trenev [00:40:21]:
We're actually a hybrid of human cells and bacteria. Think about that. It's a union and a unity that we have to keep optimally balanced in order to maintain optimal health.
Colette Brown [00:40:34]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:40:35]:
The microbiome is larger than we are in number.
Natasha Trenev [00:40:39]:
Of course, it's not just one microbiome we've got many microbiomes around our body, and so understanding that unique relationship that we have with this microbe and understanding how to maintain that optimal balance, I think, is the key to health. So that's what I want to leave everybody, that we need to stop thinking the way we are because it's not leading us to a healthier society.
Colette Brown [00:41:03]:
And Natasha, there's one question I ask all of my guests, and you've given us so much fantastic information, but if there was one message, and if this was the last time that you could broadcast it out to the world, what would that be?
Natasha Trenev [00:41:18]:
That probiotics are the health concept for the 21st century, and we need to really understand them if we're going to regain our health.
Colette Brown [00:41:26]:
So we know where to find you. Natrin.com. And again, ladies, if you suffer with any kind of UtI or vaginal issues, Natasha has developed a protocol through Natrin that she has people on support that can help you. You can call a customer service line, you can download a copy of the protocol of what to do. And Natasha is just really, again, such an honor because you didn't know, but you've been part of my health journey, coming back and being healthier today than I was in my twenty s. And I'm really thankful for you and all that you do and continue to keep doing. And please don't stop because the world needs you.
Natasha Trenev [00:42:13]:
Thank you. It's my pleasure. And I'll work as long as I have to. I just think that there's always a chance to reverse things that are not working right. So that's what I can leave to the message, that we can always choose to change things and make them better.
Colette Brown [00:42:28]:
Yeah.
Colette Brown [00:42:29]:
This is such good advice. That's so true. Natasha, thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you being here and everyone else. Until next time, be well.
Colette Brown [00:42:44]:
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